Re: [sane-devel] Who do I submit a How To for saned?
On 03/22/2018 11:54 AM, John Oliver wrote: Err... if anything, it's the opposite. Fedora is the FOSS upstream for RHEL. It has a very short, bleeding-edge lifecycle of about six months. RHEL and CentOS get long in the tooth, sure, but what you can expect from them is anything but "riddled with bugs and incompatibilities". I was with RHEL clones since CentOS 5 all the way to Scientific Linux 7.5. My choice was based on all the above stuff you stated. RHEL is "minimally" maintained. (No flame wars here, I said "minimally" not "NOT" maintained.) In order to maintain stability, RHEL is deliberately "out-of-date". This means the OS is locked down and frozen in place. "Supposedly" this is to keep instabilities from creeping in. What sounds wonderful is not always the reality. I learned this the EXTREME HARD WAY. Bugs that are reported are NOT fixed, or if they are fixed it takes up to SIX YEARS. The two straws that broke my back were the bug in Osmo were my business' contacts got wiped when I shutdown. Mind you Osmo had fixed this, but could do nothing for me as Scientific Linux was so miserably out of date. And the other one was that RHEL and Friends no longer supports modern motherboards (bug 1353423) and has no intention of remedying the issue, even though Supermicro has a program to provide Red Hat with all the hardware they need. 1353423 cost me over $1000 in free consulting to figure out. I had even tested the motherboard with a Live USB before install natively. "Pissed" does not begin to describe it! Since all my customers are now on the more stable Fedora servers do to 1353423, I ripped out Scientific Linux and installed Fedora on my own machines so I could match my customers. I did this in December. It has been joy ever since to see all the improvements and bug fixes in the various software package I run in my business. And Osmo no longer eats my business contacts (good thing I am a backup whore). And my USB2 is now four to five times faster (bugs 1333582, 1333583, 1224498). So, in my experience, I do not recommend RHEL for anything other than a set and forget appliance. And you can do that with any Linux by turning off the updates. Now for a Fedora example, the above mentioned motherboard that RHEL won't even run on (1353423) had a problem rebooting and shutting down (bug 1537845). Reported: 2018-01-23 Reported as resolved after a weeks testing: 2018-03-19 Beats the hell out of six years to NEVER. Fedora is a Kaisen OS (constant improvement); RHEL is by nature a non-kaisen OS. RHEL is NOT more stable. Fedora is a joy to use and work on. RHEL ALMOST DROVE ME INSANE !!! The irony that RHEL could not fix all the various issues with qemu-kvm because as RHEL was too out of date and kvm being a Red Hat project is not lost on me (bug 1518387). -- sane-devel mailing list: sane-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sane-devel Unsubscribe: Send mail with subject "unsubscribe your_password" to sane-devel-requ...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Re: [sane-devel] Who do I submit a How To for saned?
On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 11:56:13PM -0700, ToddAndMargo wrote: > >>On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 4:49 PM, ToddAndMargo> RHEL is riddled with bugs and incompatibilities, so the HOWTO > is specifically written for Fedora (where things work). But, > this is close enough to RHEL that you should be able to > adapt it. Basically, some of the back end rpms are rolled > together in RHEL. Systemd is the same. Err... if anything, it's the opposite. Fedora is the FOSS upstream for RHEL. It has a very short, bleeding-edge lifecycle of about six months. RHEL and CentOS get long in the tooth, sure, but what you can expect from them is anything but "riddled with bugs and incompatibilities". -- *** * John Oliver, RHCE, LFCS http://www.john-oliver.net/ * * * *** -- sane-devel mailing list: sane-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sane-devel Unsubscribe: Send mail with subject "unsubscribe your_password" to sane-devel-requ...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Re: [sane-devel] Looking for help with scanner
On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 10:30:05PM +0100, Louis Lagendijk wrote: > On Sat, 2018-03-17 at 11:20 -0700, John Oliver wrote: > > > What does lsusb say for the scanner when connected over USB? > > > > Haven't tried yet, I don't have a USB cable handy... > Please contact the mailing list again and ask Rolf Bensch to have a > look at the scanner: it is currently not supported. I guess that it > should be added in the code. That is normally not that complicated. But > Rolf does normally the management of the code, so he knows what look > for. @Rolf Bensch: can you please have a look? @John, please find a USB > cable as Rolf will want to do initial testing over USB I tried with USB. No dice :-( Bus 002 Device 008: ID 04a9:27c0 Canon, Inc. I'm happy to do whatever I can to help get support added! Thanks... -- *** * John Oliver, RHCE, LFCS http://www.john-oliver.net/ * * * *** -- sane-devel mailing list: sane-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sane-devel Unsubscribe: Send mail with subject "unsubscribe your_password" to sane-devel-requ...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Re: [sane-devel] Who do I submit a How To for saned?
On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 4:49 PM, ToddAndMargo> wrote: Hi All, I wrote up an very in depth How To on saned and Fedora. It included all the annoying, missing steps you get when your google how to do this. Who would I submit it to get get in evaluated for inclusion to Sane's How To's? Many thanks, -T On 03/21/2018 07:47 PM, Steven Santos wrote: I am about to install SANE on a fresh CENTOS 7 system. Any chance I could get a copy of this howto? RHEL is riddled with bugs and incompatibilities, so the HOWTO is specifically written for Fedora (where things work). But, this is close enough to RHEL that you should be able to adapt it. Basically, some of the back end rpms are rolled together in RHEL. Systemd is the same. Qoppa took the howto and posted it. Fedora showed some interest, so I will eventually posted it with Fedora too. Other than you, sane showed no interest. Good luck! https://kbpdfstudio.qoppa.com/how-to-set-up-your-scanner-to-work-with-sane-and-pdf-studio-under-fedora-27-linuxs-systemd/ -T -- sane-devel mailing list: sane-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sane-devel Unsubscribe: Send mail with subject "unsubscribe your_password" to sane-devel-requ...@lists.alioth.debian.org