[task #16540] Submission of Republishing Public Domain Books with Lisp

[Ineiev]

Update of task #16540 (group administration):

  Status: In Progress => Cancelled  
 Open/Closed:Open => Closed 

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Follow-up Comment #5:

No response; cancelling.


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[task #16540] Submission of Republishing Public Domain Books with Lisp

[Ineiev]

Follow-up Comment #4, task #16540 (group administration):

If there is no further interest, I'll cancel this submission.


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[task #16540] Submission of Republishing Public Domain Books with Lisp

[Ineiev]

Follow-up Comment #3, task #16540 (group administration):


> The thing is that this is not just fiction, this is a proper program that is
programmed in a DSL (`#lang`) of Racket called Pollen[0]. If you were able to
get the source code, check the `pollen.rkt` file. I shall be adding a few of
those more, which would implement the typographical capacities of Pollen. So
the goal is to use the power of free software, and especially the dialect of
lisp in providing better typographical reproductions of classic literature.
Does this help in giving a better idea of the project? 

Yes, I hope so.

> The original work remains to be in the public domain, the changes that are
re-licensed according to CC-BY-SA 4.0 are the typographical and design changes
that were made in reproducing the copy/edition of the book(s). As the original
content is in public domain, it is totally feasible to make changes to it and
_relicense those changes_ accordingly.

Yes, provided the changes are copyrightable; still don't you find it
surprising when the copyright lines list persons who have little relation to
the authors?

> Particularly, the things that will be under CC-BY-SA would be the design
layout used in each format (PDF, EPUB, HTML/CSS) and the cover picture. I also
intend to add a foreword and appendix to the book, so they shall also be under
CC-BY-SA while the particular content of the book and its translation remain
safely under Public Domain.

I see.  The foreword is likely to be copyrightable, other things may or may
not.

> > I'm not sure if CC BY-SA 4.0 is technically incompatible with Savannah
hosting
> > requirements in this case, but releasing a work under confusing terms
isn't a
> > good practice.
> I am not sure which part of it is confusing,

You are going to release a work that is essentially in public domain under
different terms.

> but would like further comment. As far as GNU's compatibility goes, the
License Compatibility list from FSF[2] confirms that being  a copyleft license
it _is_ compatible with all versions of GPL as long as it is not used on
software, which I assure you it is not.

I'm really puzzled how you could interpret the entry you referred to this way.
 It clearly says CC BY-SA is incompatible with any GPL version but 3.


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[task #16540] Submission of Republishing Public Domain Books with Lisp

[Divya Ranjan]

Follow-up Comment #2, task #16540 (group administration):

Hello, Ineiev!

> The tarball URL you provided doesn't work for me

Indeed, I had problems uploading it through Savannah's temporary file sharing
option. Try the link below, if it works:

https://drive.filen.io/d/cee7ab54-9704-4f5b-8573-2956f217e55f#M2hwHtpcSKrXaCFJKuugxSmp8Gw8gu82

If it doesn't work, try looking at the repository at GitHub which I plan to
switch to here:

https://github.com/divyaranjan1905/gustave-dore-don-quixote

>  Savannah is a forge for software and documentation, fiction is out of its
scope.
The thing is that this is not just fiction, this is a proper program that is
programmed in a DSL (`#lang`) of Racket called Pollen[0]. If you were able to
get the source code, check the `pollen.rkt` file. I shall be adding a few of
those more, which would implement the typographical capacities of Pollen. So
the goal is to use the power of free software, and especially the dialect of
lisp in providing better typographical reproductions of classic literature.
Does this help in giving a better idea of the project? You can also look at
another[1] project which has already implemented this, if mine seems
convoluted.

> Another general note is, the works in public domain are inherently
> unrestricted, so applying any license to them must be legally void.
The original work remains to be in the public domain, the changes that are
re-licensed according to CC-BY-SA are the typographical and design changes
that were made in reproducing the copy/edition of the book(s). As the original
content is in public domain, it is totally feasible to make changes to it and
_relicense those changes_ accordingly.
Particularly, the things that will be under CC-BY-SA would be the design
layout used in each format (PDF, EPUB, HTML/CSS) and the cover picture. I also
intend to add a foreword and appendix to the book, so they shall also be under
CC-BY-SA while the particular content of the book and its translation remain
safely under Public Domain.

> I'm not sure if CC BY-SA 4.0 is technically incompatible with Savannah
hosting
> requirements in this case, but releasing a work under confusing terms isn't
a
> good practice.
I am not sure which part of it is confusing, but would like further comment.
As far as GNU's compatibility goes, the License Compatibility list from FSF[2]
confirms that being  a copyleft license it _is_ compatible with all versions
of GPL as long as it is not used on software, which I assure you it is not.
For all the Racket or Lisp code I use GPLv3 or above.

If there still remain any confusions, I'm glad to clarify.

Regards,

-- 
Divya Ranjan,

Mathematics, Philosophy and Libre Software.

[0]: https://docs.racket-lang.org/pollen/
[1]: https://git.matthewbutterick.com/mbutterick/pollen-tfl
[2]: https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#ccbysa



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[task #16540] Submission of Republishing Public Domain Books with Lisp

[Ineiev]

Update of task #16540 (group administration):

  Status:None => In Progress
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Follow-up Comment #1:

The tarball URL you provided doesn't work for me, so I only can see the text
of your submission; generally, Savannah is a forge for software and
documentation, fiction is out of its scope.

Another general note is, the works in public domain are inherently
unrestricted, so applying any license to them must be legally void.  I'm not
sure if CC BY-SA 4.0 is technically incompatible with Savannah hosting
requirements in this case, but releasing a work under confusing terms isn't a
good practice.


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[task #16540] Submission of Republishing Public Domain Books with Lisp

[Divya Ranjan]

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 Summary: Submission of Republishing Public Domain Books with
Lisp
   Group: Savannah Administration
   Submitter: divya
   Submitted: Wed 15 May 2024 05:01:19 AM UTC
 Should Start On: Wed 15 May 2024 12:00:00 AM UTC
   Should be Finished on: Sat 25 May 2024 12:00:00 AM UTC
Category: Project Approval
Priority: 5 - Normal
  Status: None
 Privacy: Public
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 Open/Closed: Open
 Discussion Lock: Any


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Follow-up Comments:


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Date: Wed 15 May 2024 05:01:19 AM UTC By: Divya Ranjan 
A new group has been registered at Savannah.
This group will remain inactive until a site admin approves
or discards the registration.


= Registration Administration =

Approving or discarding the registration must be done using the specific
[https://savannah.gnu.org/siteadmin/groupedit.php?group_id=12355 Group
administration] page, accessible only to site
administrators logged in as superusers.

= Registration Details =

* Name: *Republishing Public Domain Books with Lisp*
* System Name:  *bibliotheca*
* Type: non-GNU software and documentation
* License: GNU General Public License v3 or later (The code of the package
itself is licensed under GPLv3 or later, but the original copies of the books
used are used with CC0 license. Similarly, the fonts used for the websites and
the books are open fonts under OFL.

The reproduced books that will be available as ebooks and in print, shall be
licensed under CC-BY-SA 4.0 or above, ensuring that they do not get restricted
again by malicious entities.)



== Description: ==
The project uses the Pollen language, which is derived from Racket, to
programmatically reproduce classic works of literature, philosophy in various
formats including as a web-book, an EPUB3, and a printable PDF.

The books to be chosen are going to be in the public domain, freely available
on the internet already and can be reproduced within the law.

The cross-platform reach is accessible precisely because of the choice of
Racket, a dialect of Scheme. Pollen introduces X-expressions, a fundamental
data structure that covers the entirety of the program, and eventually the
entire book. Because the entire book is just a variant of s-expression, one
can extend it just using lisp.


== Other Software Required: ==
*Language Dependencies*

Racket: v8.12 or above
License: Apache License, version 2.0
Link: https://download.racket-lang.org/

Pollen: 3.2.3877.60 or above
License: Expat License (also misleadingly attributed as MIT License)
Link: https://git.matthewbutterick.com/mbutterick/pollen/

tufte-css
License: Expat License (also misleadingly attributed as MIT License)
Link: https://github.com/edwardtufte/tufte-css

*Fonts*

ETBook
License: Expat License (also misleadingly attributed as MIT License)
Link: https://github.com/edwardtufte/et-book

Cardo
License: SIL Open Font License, version 1.1
Link: https://scholarsfonts.net/cardofnt.html

Charter
License: Bitstream Copyright, used by X11
Link: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/font/bitstream-type1

Garamond-Libre
License: Daniel Benjamin Miller, no restrictions on copying, modifying,
publishing and selling
Link: https://github.com/dbenjaminmiller/garamond-libre

Utopia
License: Freely sublicensed by TUG (TeX users Group) from Adobe
Link: https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Utopia

*Books*
Only one book has been used as of now, all of them shall have CC0 or similar
copyleft licenses.

Don Quixote by Cervantes:
Link: https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/996

*Images*
The images for the books are also derived from CC0 and public domain sources,
same as the books themselves.



== Other Comments: ==
The cover of all the books, whether renewed or entirely replaced by a new one,
shall be also licensed under copyleft CC-BY-SA 4.0 or above.


== Tarball URL: ==
https://my.opendesktop.org/s/7Qx7F2jQxLnMFeF









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