Although that said EXT4 is still an inode centric file system with a journal added so moving the journal to a faster volume wont have as big an effect as it does on ground up designed journaling file systems. So while that feature may speed up the journal for EXT4 its still limited by the speed of the in-filesystem inodes regardless of where the journal is located.The difference being XFS, JFS, ZFS, and a few others primarily rely on the journal and write the inboxes as needed after the fact for backwards compatibility for older low level binaries. XFS also uses them with the xfsrepair tool as a DR backup incase the very rare casein the journal getting corrupted (usually due to a hardware issue like raid controller backplane melt down) but even in that case XFS only thin-provisions creates the inodes it reallyneeds the first time they are written to. Which is why themkfs.xfs tool is so fast.EXT4 still pre-allocates all of the possible inodes during formating and writes to the inodes before the journal-- Sent from my HP Pre3On Jul 25, 2013 1:17, Paul Robert Marino prmari...@gmail.com wrote: That's cool I've never noticed that I the documentation but I'll look for it.-- Sent from my HP Pre3On Jul 24, 2013 18:41, Scott Weikart scot...@benetech.org wrote:
Though I will admit the being able to move your journal to a
separate faster volume to increase performance is very cool
and that's only a feature I've seen in XFS and ZFS.
ext4 supports that.
-scott
From: owner-scientific-linux-us...@listserv.fnal.gov owner-scientific-linux-us...@listserv.fnal.gov on behalf of Paul Robert Marino prmari...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 3:36 PM
To: Brown, Chris (GE Healthcare); Graham Allan; John Lauro
Cc: scientific-linux-users
Subject: RE: Large filesystem recommendation
ZFS is a performance nightmare if you plan to export it via NFS because of a core design conflict with how NFS locking and the ZIL journal in ZFS. Its not just a linux issue it effects Solaris and BSD as well. My only experience with ZFS was on a Solaris
NFS server and we had to get a dedicated flash backed ram drive for the ZIL to fix our performance issues, and let me tell you sun charged us a small fortune for the card.
Aside from that most of the cool features are available in XFS if you dive deep enough into the documentation though most of them like multi disk spanning can be handled now by LVM or MD but are at least in my opinion handled better by hardware raid. Though
I will admit the being able to move your journal to a separate faster volume to increase performance is very cool and that's only a feature I've seen in XFS and ZFS.
-- Sent from my HP Pre3
On Jul 24, 2013 16:53, Brown, Chris (GE Healthcare) christopher.br...@med.ge.com wrote:
ZFS on Linux will provide you all the goodness that it brought to Solaris and BSD.
Check out:
http://listserv.fnal.gov/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind1303L=scientific-linux-usersT=0P=21739
http://listserv.fnal.gov/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind1303L=scientific-linux-usersT=0P=21882
http://listserv.fnal.gov/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind1307L=scientific-linux-usersT=0P=4752
- Chris
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From: owner-scientific-linux-us...@listserv.fnal.gov [mailto:owner-scientific-linux-us...@listserv.fnal.gov] On Behalf Of Graham Allan
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 3:46 PM
To: John Lauro
Cc: scientific-linux-users
Subject: Re: Large filesystem recommendation
XFS seems like the most obvious and maybe safest choice. FWIW, we use it on SL5 and SL6. Ultimately any issues we've had with it turned out to be hardware-related.
ZFS has some really nice features, and we are using it for larger filesystems than we have XFS, but so far only on BSD rather than Linux...
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 01:59:03PM -0400, John Lauro wrote:
What is recommended for a large file system (40TB) under SL6?
In the past I have always had good luck with jfs. Might not be the
fastest, but very stable. It works well with being able to repair
huge filesystems in reasonable amount of RAM, and handle large
directories, and large files. Unfortunately jfs doesn't appear to be
supported in 6? (or is there a repo I can add?)
Besides for support of 40TB filesystem, also need support of files 4TB, and directories with hundreds of thousands of files. What do people recommend?
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