Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: arstechnica: "CentOS is gone-but RHEL is now free for up to 16 production servers"
Is that buckshot intended for me? From: Konstantin Olchanski Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2021 5:11 PM To: Queen, Steven Z. (GSFC-5910) Cc: Mailing list for Scientific Linux users worldwide Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: arstechnica: "CentOS is gone-but RHEL is now free for up to 16 production servers" On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 07:04:14PM +, Queen, Steven Z. (GSFC-5910) wrote: > > Appropriately, it was IBM that invented FUD as a sales-technique in the first > place. > Alarming that IBM FUD is working against IBM. Decline of the mighty. Boeing airplanes only fly down, NASA rockets cannot go to the Moon, etc. -- Konstantin Olchanski Data Acquisition Systems: The Bytes Must Flow! Email: olchansk-at-triumf-dot-ca Snail mail: 4004 Wesbrook Mall, TRIUMF, Vancouver, B.C., V6T 2A3, Canada
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: arstechnica: "CentOS is gone-but RHEL is now free for up to 16 production servers"
On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 07:04:14PM +, Queen, Steven Z. (GSFC-5910) wrote: > > Appropriately, it was IBM that invented FUD as a sales-technique in the first > place. > Alarming that IBM FUD is working against IBM. Decline of the mighty. Boeing airplanes only fly down, NASA rockets cannot go to the Moon, etc. -- Konstantin Olchanski Data Acquisition Systems: The Bytes Must Flow! Email: olchansk-at-triumf-dot-ca Snail mail: 4004 Wesbrook Mall, TRIUMF, Vancouver, B.C., V6T 2A3, Canada
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: arstechnica: "CentOS is gone-but RHEL is now free for up to 16 production servers"
Appropriately, it was IBM that invented FUD as a sales-technique in the first place. From: owner-scientific-linux-us...@listserv.fnal.gov on behalf of Konstantin Olchanski Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2021 1:39 PM To: Konstantin Olchanski Cc: Mailing list for Scientific Linux users worldwide Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: arstechnica: "CentOS is gone-but RHEL is now free for up to 16 production servers" > From the Arstechnica URL: > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Furldefense.proofpoint.com-252Fv2-252Furl-253Fu-253Dhttps-2D3A-5F-5Farstechnica.com-5Fgadgets-5F2021-5F01-5Fcentos-2D2Dis-2D2Dgone-2D2Dbut-2D2Drhel-2D2Dis-2D2Dnow-2D2Dfree-2D2Dfor-2D2Dup-2D2Dto-2D2D16-2D2Dproduction-2D2Dservers-5F-2526d-253DDwIDaQ-2526c-253DgRgGjJ3BkIsb5y6s49QqsA-2526r-253Dgd8BzeSQcySVxr0gDWSEbN-2DP-2DpgDXkdyCtaMqdCgPPdW1cyL5RIpaIYrCn8C5x2A-2526m-253D5UNRADR6PpQVqP97Jl4VT9V4oTZCHRSZp5Php98SpHI-2526s-253DHmS-2DgVxXfw2RalHvyfiHtb9c1M1J1HQ20J613PRjRDE-2526e-253D-26amp-3Bdata-3D04-257C01-257Csteven.z.queen-2540nasa.gov-257C9ec8d33691f84930abe208d8be3c854f-257C7005d45845be48ae8140d43da96dd17b-257C0-257C0-257C637468514464061623-257CUnknown-257CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0-253D-257C3000-26amp-3Bsdata-3DeUr0m2bodhE8ZZtQGn5jxmPJAe2iC-252F7PfEZYSB6lG8Y-253D-26amp-3Breserved-3D0&d=DwIFAw&c=gRgGjJ3BkIsb5y6s49QqsA&r=gd8BzeSQcySVxr0gDWSEbN-P-pgDXkdyCtaMqdCgPPdW1cyL5RIpaIYrCn8C5x2A&m=LF3Zd4-GBvyEuqYcCI7JNYFrWVXf1yt6W6ISYQxRz-0&s=2R4Esv0FTU4bh8O-gE_8M3M5MoiJkOLOB-2TnSOqVe0&e= > Me, waiting for the dust to settle, still too much BS and FUD flying around right now: - articles titled "rhel is now free" with small print "... starting in february..." - cost of managing licences counted under "free" - artificial limits of 16 systems (what if I need 17 for a couple of days?) - red hat reported as officially stating "[this] ... isn't a fly-by-night ... program" (echoes of Mr.Nixon famously saying "I am not a crook") - false dichotomies of individual vs team users, development vs production systems - "free this year", next year, a maybe. I think I will convert my one Centos-8 machine to the "starting in february" free rhel license, just to experience the "new and improved". P.S. And what about CentOS/RHEL on ARM? Today, we run CentOS-7 on ARM just fine, but going forward? Does somebody expect us to run ARM with Raspbian/Debian/Ubuntu, but stick with RHEL on x86? Really? In our detector lab, ARM machines just about outnumber x86 machines. The direction that is going, maybe red hat got it right and the "16 systems" limit will be a non-issue. -- Konstantin Olchanski Data Acquisition Systems: The Bytes Must Flow! Email: olchansk-at-triumf-dot-ca Snail mail: 4004 Wesbrook Mall, TRIUMF, Vancouver, B.C., V6T 2A3, Canada
Re: arstechnica: "CentOS is gone—but RHEL is now free for up to 16 production servers"
> From the Arstechnica URL: > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__arstechnica.com_gadgets_2021_01_centos-2Dis-2Dgone-2Dbut-2Drhel-2Dis-2Dnow-2Dfree-2Dfor-2Dup-2Dto-2D16-2Dproduction-2Dservers_&d=DwIDaQ&c=gRgGjJ3BkIsb5y6s49QqsA&r=gd8BzeSQcySVxr0gDWSEbN-P-pgDXkdyCtaMqdCgPPdW1cyL5RIpaIYrCn8C5x2A&m=5UNRADR6PpQVqP97Jl4VT9V4oTZCHRSZp5Php98SpHI&s=HmS-gVxXfw2RalHvyfiHtb9c1M1J1HQ20J613PRjRDE&e= Me, waiting for the dust to settle, still too much BS and FUD flying around right now: - articles titled "rhel is now free" with small print "... starting in february..." - cost of managing licences counted under "free" - artificial limits of 16 systems (what if I need 17 for a couple of days?) - red hat reported as officially stating "[this] ... isn't a fly-by-night ... program" (echoes of Mr.Nixon famously saying "I am not a crook") - false dichotomies of individual vs team users, development vs production systems - "free this year", next year, a maybe. I think I will convert my one Centos-8 machine to the "starting in february" free rhel license, just to experience the "new and improved". P.S. And what about CentOS/RHEL on ARM? Today, we run CentOS-7 on ARM just fine, but going forward? Does somebody expect us to run ARM with Raspbian/Debian/Ubuntu, but stick with RHEL on x86? Really? In our detector lab, ARM machines just about outnumber x86 machines. The direction that is going, maybe red hat got it right and the "16 systems" limit will be a non-issue. -- Konstantin Olchanski Data Acquisition Systems: The Bytes Must Flow! Email: olchansk-at-triumf-dot-ca Snail mail: 4004 Wesbrook Mall, TRIUMF, Vancouver, B.C., V6T 2A3, Canada
Re: arstechnica: "CentOS is gone—but RHEL is now free for up to 16 production servers"
On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 12:49 AM Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 12:12 AM Serguei Mokhov wrote: > > > > arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/01/centos-is-gone-but-rhel-is-now-free-for-up-to-16-production-servers > > > > Thoughts? Someone noticed that almost *no one* wants RHEL 8, and is trying to get some kind of deployment numbers, even for unpaid subscriptions. This is a replay of what happened with Red Hat 9 back in 2003. I expect a name change of some sort for the next major release and hopefully a reversion to cooperating with open source point releases.
