Re: Need to add ftp to SL 6 machine
You can mount the ISO and point the repos to Packages dir. Sent from my iPhone > On 3 Nov 2021, at 17:52, Larry Linder > <0dea520dd180-dmarc-requ...@listserv.fnal.gov> wrote: > > This is out of date but due to what is running on box we need to add ftp > and yum will not work because it is not supported. It is only available > in the obsolete directory. You can get the .iso's but we do not want to > reinstall the OS. > > Any one have an idea how to install ftp. Or how to get the "rpm" for > it. > > Thank You > Larry Linder
Re: Fermilab/CERN recommendation for Linux distribution
I already moved to Oracle Linux. It’s a clone too, has Oracle backing it and it’s fast to push updates from RHEL. Also they have UEK and Oracle RDMA Release, which is useful in HPC environments. Perhaps in the future we may move to Alma or Rocky. But for now we’re using Oracle Linux. Stream is not an option either. When RHEL 8.4 landed, the Oracle guys had OL 8.4 in a single day released. The only thing that I miss from CentOS is CentOS vault, which is unavailable. Regards. PS: This is not Oracle Linux propaganda. It’s just fact showing. We know that everybody dislikes Oracle, but that’s what we have right now. Sent from my iPhone > On 26 Oct 2021, at 10:21, Mark Stodola wrote: > > I haven't checked in on this in quite some time. Has there been a clear > preference to Rocky over Alma thus far? I know I intend to use one or the > other, but would be curious to know the direction of the wind among the > scientific community. > > Fax: (608) 831-9591 > >> On 10/26/21 8:18 AM, ~Stack~ wrote: >>> On 10/25/21 9:27 PM, Patrick J. LoPresti wrote: >>> The right decision is to restart Scientific Linux. Obviously that is not >>> going to happen, which leaves organizations like mine in a bind. I am not >>> sure what we will do, but CentOS Stream is definitely not it. >>> >> >> >> The restart is called >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__rockylinux.org_=DwICaQ=gRgGjJ3BkIsb5y6s49QqsA=gd8BzeSQcySVxr0gDWSEbN-P-pgDXkdyCtaMqdCgPPdW1cyL5RIpaIYrCn8C5x2A=zu2WhRSN4T1horhPg87GzkI7xBN78HdOdKckGDLwxqmE0n02jZXf3KF02Xed8D--=M-7zZdP1KjXMAWHjuu55mPPcibTiP2p9wdKKMlJ-2IE= >> ;-) >> >> There's a big (and growing fast) group of HPC and scientific computing >> professionals using Rocky 8 already. >> >> ~Stack~
Re: Pondering a switch to Debian
I will not move to Debian. RHEL clones have 10 years of lifecycle, AlmaLinux just dropped it’s beta today. So there’s no reason to move to Debian or Ubuntu. > On 3 Feb 2021, at 21:52, Keith Lofstrom wrote: > > Having been burned by IBM before, and with no guarantee > that "Long-term Redhat for individuals" will survive IBM's > legal department into the far future --- I'm thinking about > abandoning 25 years of Redhat experience and switching to > Debian, while my aging brain can still handle change. > > Debian - yikes! > > Thinking about - not decided, though I halted work on a > server upgrade to CentOS 8 while I wait for the dust to > settle. Rocky in April is another option, but if IBM > goes after them, they will be a wet spot on the floor. > > So - who else is contemplating a move to Debian? > > I very much hope to stay connected to the "scientific" > aspect of our community. Making big changes together > with other science computationalists would be easier. > > Easier still would be staying with an RPM distro, IF it > remained useful and legal and affordable for our kind of > computing. An e-commerce and corporate infrastructure > focused distro, not so much. > > Keith > > P.S. I remember the Red Hat booth at OSCON 2014, after the > Borging of CentOS, where I was assured that they would > support CentOS into the distant future. That "assurance" > survived the IBM acquisition by 18 months. What changes > will 5 more years of IBM (and their formidable lega > department, called the Nazgul by other technology lawyers) > result in? > > > -- > Keith Lofstrom kei...@keithl.com
Re: Rocky Linux
I’ve done this mistake in the past. The major issue with Debian is its lifecycle, even LTS is 5 years only. Same for Ubuntu. It’s just too little. If you need to install it near the end of the 2yr lifecycle you’ll get effectively something like 3yrs of support. The other issue is that the vast majority of academic and scientific software is targeted for Enterprise Linux. As an HPC engineer we always needs to use RHEL/derivatives or SLES/Leap. OpenHPC is only available to those flavors. Mellanox OFED? Ok there’s Ubuntu support nowadays, but the default branches are still for EL/SLE. That’s how things work in our environment. I think the vast majority of people here works on Academia or with science/research/etc. And finally I don’t want to adapt everything to Debian. The FHS is different, scripts will break, etc. Best regards, Vinícius Ferrão Sent from my iPhone > On 10 Dec 2020, at 13:38, Maarten > <11ce72e232d2-dmarc-requ...@listserv.fnal.gov> wrote: > > I might also consider switching to Debian since it will be hard to tell if > any other still existing rhel clones will continue and Debian has been around > for quite some time. > >> On 12/10/20 8:34 AM, Maarten wrote: >> I will probably be more like to go for Springdale Linux since they've been >> around since before CentOS, I find it hard to put trust in a project that's >> just getting started unless of course CERN changes their decision about >> discontinuing Scientific Linux since they were migrating to CentOS. >> >>> On 12/10/20 5:17 AM, ~Stack~ wrote: >>>> On 12/9/20 9:16 PM, Yasha Karant wrote: >>> >>>> One thing does concern me: having left CentOS (it was all "volunteer" >>>> effort at that epoch as I recall) for SL, a primary motivator was that SL >>>> had professional (employed, not volunteer) persons doing the distros, and >>>> this SL list amounting to support. >>>> >>>> If Rocky is to be all volunteer, how reliable and professional will it be? >>>> This is not a minor issue, as very few enthusiasts or other >>>> non-professionals provide a truly reliable deliverable. >>> >>> I would say, give it time. It wouldn't be the first time Kurtzer started an >>> open source project and turned into a company. :-) >>> >>> >>>> For my use, is EL going to continue to be workstation friendly (e.g., >>>> laptop in which one cannot pick and choose to integrate only Linux >>>> traditionally supported controllers with appropriate drivers, such as >>>> sound "cards", but is stuck with whatever the laptop vendor has used -- >>>> typically MS Win "supported") or is it primarily a server distro? Ubuntu >>>> LTS still seems to be laptop friendly. >>> >>> They are aiming for complete RHEL reproducibility. If the goal is to be >>> as-true-as-possible-RHEL variant then the answer would be in how you use >>> RHEL. >>> >>> But do give it sometime. It's only been two days and the announcement I >>> just saw said that there are now 750 people actively participating in the >>> various forms to communication and they have direction, a plan, and leaders >>> making it happen. And there's thousands of people who have noticed and are >>> talking about it on /. , reddit, lwn, ect. That's pretty impressive and it >>> speaks volumes about the number of people who really do want a true-to-RHEL >>> variant. >>> >>> ~Stack~
Re: Rocky Linux
Very nice indeed. I think there will be a lot of releases (or perhaps rereleases) right now with this move from Red Hat. TBH I just joined the list yesterday because I used to manage SL4 and SL5 systems a decade ago and I’m with some hope that SL8 will be eventually released. One thing to note is the point regarding duplicating efforts that I agree. Perhaps with this move from Red Hat people should join forces and not create multiple RHEL clones just like we have in the past. Best regards, Vinícius Ferrão Sent from my iPhone > On 10 Dec 2020, at 11:40, James M. Pulver wrote: > > I wonder about this announcement: > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__blog.cloudlinux.com_announcing-2Dopen-2Dsourced-2Dcommunity-2Ddriven-2Drhel-2Dfork-2Dby-2Dcloudlinux=DwIFAw=gRgGjJ3BkIsb5y6s49QqsA=gd8BzeSQcySVxr0gDWSEbN-P-pgDXkdyCtaMqdCgPPdW1cyL5RIpaIYrCn8C5x2A=2V_QpPNAI8YktNoQVDht_Jp5kz4L0gnsVs1ukLIG3Hk=jFlb6NwQ7wlEzV6PEkEBto6YTa25O5xET6L5fIqLVGw= > > > I mean, they already have infrastructure and seem to have been doing it for a > while. A la Oracle without the horrible history (to me anyway) of Oracle as a > company. I am interested to see how this shakes out, but Rocky linux is > basically at "we need hardware and to build teams" and Cloud Linux seems to > be "we need to open up some repos to the world". > > -- > James Pulver > CLASSE Computer Group > Cornell University > > > > > From: owner-scientific-linux-us...@listserv.fnal.gov > on behalf of Ching Him Leung > > Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2020 9:31 AM > To: scientific-linux-us...@listserv.fnal.gov > Subject: Re: Rocky Linux > > While I would like to see to Rocky Linux success and would have no problem > use it for my personal projects, I don't know if I would be comfortable using > it in my experiment. I would like to see what Fermilab and CERN would suggest.
