Re: Back UP
On Mon, Aug 09, 2021 at 04:36:29PM -0400, Larry Linder wrote: > > Cron is now broken so you can't scehedule reliable backups. > This got broken in SL 6.9 worked in SL 6.5. > The reason is that it is looking for files from yum. Whot does yum have > to do with cron I heav yet to figure it out. > Cannot confirm. cron works just fine here. by design, it can bog down if some cron jobs never complete. this can happen to cron jobs that run "yum update". is that what you see? easy to fix by removing offending cron jobs. > > My advise if you don't want to be forever the support team - buy a MAC. > a "+1" on this one. -- Konstantin Olchanski Data Acquisition Systems: The Bytes Must Flow! Email: olchansk-at-triumf-dot-ca Snail mail: 4004 Wesbrook Mall, TRIUMF, Vancouver, B.C., V6T 2A3, Canada
Re: Back UP
well if cron is broken you could take the sedghamer approach and install jobscheduler https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.sos-2Dberlin.com_en_jobscheduler-2Ddownloads=DwIFaQ=gRgGjJ3BkIsb5y6s49QqsA=gd8BzeSQcySVxr0gDWSEbN-P-pgDXkdyCtaMqdCgPPdW1cyL5RIpaIYrCn8C5x2A=zg66EiCB-0MjyUT4sH_xbY9luy7GY2Jvc8OmDcWBFEo=U3ysnINxB8VXojeYx_Aq6wQBgErIZ9p5zO8T6la0m_8= lol seriously though its a bit much if you are just replacing cron but if you are enterprise scale automation its awesome. On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 5:29 PM Jon Pruente wrote: > > > > On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 3:36 PM Larry Linder > <0dea520dd180-dmarc-requ...@listserv.fnal.gov> wrote: >> >> Have friends and relatives buy a MAC. > > > I know this is a silly nit to pick in what you are posting about, but it > reminded me that I tend to see it most often from technical types. Why do > people use MAC when referring to a Macintosh? MAC should be for something > like a MAC address. We don't call people named Joseph JOE when their name > gets shortened. However, technical types seem to do it all the time for Macs. > Just a habit from dealing with MAC addresses all the time?
Re: Back UP
On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 3:36 PM Larry Linder < 0dea520dd180-dmarc-requ...@listserv.fnal.gov> wrote: > Have friends and relatives buy a MAC. > I know this is a silly nit to pick in what you are posting about, but it reminded me that I tend to see it most often from technical types. Why do people use MAC when referring to a Macintosh? MAC should be for something like a MAC address. We don't call people named Joseph JOE when their name gets shortened. However, technical types seem to do it all the time for Macs. Just a habit from dealing with MAC addresses all the time?
Re: Back UP
On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 4:36 PM Larry Linder <0dea520dd180-dmarc-requ...@listserv.fnal.gov> wrote: > > Cron is now broken so you can't scehedule reliable backups. > > This got broken in SL 6.9 worked in SL 6.5. > The reason is that it is looking for files from yum. Whot does yum have > to do with cron I heav yet to figure it out. Since you've not published any error messages, no one can reasonably save you. RHEL 6 and SL 6 are no longer supported, except that you can pay for "RHEL 6 ELS", or extended life support. Time to update. > Disk like - we date code our disks and when they are over 5000 hr. We > swap them out and give toss them. We have had replaced a bunch of disk > at one time and 3 years later they all died within a month. They are > typically on 24 / 7. We stagger the start up dates by 6 mo. That... wounds ike the old IBM "Deskstar" problem, known as the "IBM Deathstar" issue, where thousands of consumer grade disks failed after a specific amount of wear and took out cheap RAID clusters around the world. But staggered over six months that sounds like you had a cooling problem in your racks. Don't blame your hardware failures on SL or RHEL, unless they were doing something really stupid like nightly filling all your disks with zeroes to "optimeze" themselves, which is not a default behavior. > My advise if you don't want to be forever the support team - buy a MAC. Apple provides no server support. Zero, zip, nada, end of sentence. They support only consumer devices, and those are quite expensive. Don't conflate drive failures with distribution issues, and if you want OS commercial support, guess what? Get some RHEL licenses, because that kind of work costs money. > The people I have helped get on to a Linux system are not OS smart and I > spend a lot of time helping them out. It also looks like it may be a > cradel to grave problem. You were upset, so I'll not comment on your spelling errors except to say maybe you could have used a break before writing this note? > I money is problem there are a lot free Gov. computers available. They > are not free its just that you and I have to pay for them with our > taxes. Well yes. Supporting critical, complex, or consumer abused systems is something people get paid for. > I set my wife up with a Linux box and support is seconds away 24/7. She > is smart & industrious and just uses mail, OpenOffice, and a photo > archive for the grand kids pictures. That is if I expect dinner on > time. > Have friends and relatives buy a MAC. > Then you can plead - ignorance. If you've the spare $1000 to buy a Mac of equivalent power, especially including those very expensive replacements, and don't need server-grade dual power supplies, hot-swap hard drives, high density blade installations, or support for commercial grade mail servers or AutoCAD. Deliberately pleading ignorance to avoid helping your wife does not sound like a positive relationship, though I've heard of other people pulling this stunt. > Regards > Larry Linder
Back UP
Cron is now broken so you can't scehedule reliable backups. This got broken in SL 6.9 worked in SL 6.5. The reason is that it is looking for files from yum. Whot does yum have to do with cron I heav yet to figure it out. Disk like - we date code our disks and when they are over 5000 hr. We swap them out and give toss them. We have had replaced a bunch of disk at one time and 3 years later they all died within a month. They are typically on 24 / 7. We stagger the start up dates by 6 mo. My advise if you don't want to be forever the support team - buy a MAC. The people I have helped get on to a Linux system are not OS smart and I spend a lot of time helping them out. It also looks like it may be a cradel to grave problem. I money is problem there are a lot free Gov. computers available. They are not free its just that you and I have to pay for them with our taxes. I set my wife up with a Linux box and support is seconds away 24/7. She is smart & industrious and just uses mail, OpenOffice, and a photo archive for the grand kids pictures. That is if I expect dinner on time. Have friends and relatives buy a MAC. Then you can plead - ignorance. Regards Larry Linder
