Re: SL 7.1 not installing from DVD on unpartitioned disk

2015-09-30 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 9:43 PM, Nico Kadel-Garcia  wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 1:55 PM, Tom H  wrote:
>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 9:13 AM, Nico Kadel-Garcia  wrote:


>>> The difficulty is that anaconda has become a python nightmare of
>>> complexity, coupled with an unnecessary GUI of complexity. New
>>> features of sophisticated interaction and "pretty pictures" ti nabage
>
> Lordie, did I actually type that I I meant "to manage".

I assumed that your right hand was shifted to the left by one key. LOL


>>> LVM, various clustering filesystems, and network installation have
>>> been added as desired, but it's easy to lose site of simple steps like
>>> "just present the names of disks.
>>
>> python isn't the problem; the hub and spoke "concept" is. Ubuntu's
>> Ubiquity is the best GUI installer.
>>
>> Ubiquity can't set up mdraid like Anaconda, but it handles btrfs
>> better than Anaconda.
>>
>> Anaconda's partitioning spoke's so horrendous that I only use
>> kickstart or "yum --installroot=... ..." - or unpack a tarball created
>> with one of those methods.
>
> Unfortunately, the "system-config-kickstart" tool is also horrible. It
> rewrites any base kickstart in its own format, quite orthogonal to the
> original and to the "anaconda-ks.cfg" file generated at install time,
> and it can only deal with one '%post" stanza though kickstart supports
> multiple stanzas.

I've never used "system-config-kickstart" but it's always good to run
"ksverdiff -f old-ver -t new-ver" when a new version of SL's published
to find out what's new and what's deprecated in kickstart.


Re: SL 7.1 not installing from DVD on unpartitioned disk

2015-09-24 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 1:55 PM, Tom H  wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 9:13 AM, Nico Kadel-Garcia  wrote:
>>
>> The difficulty is that anaconda has become a python nightmare of
>> complexity, coupled with an unnecessary GUI of complexity. New
>> features of sophisticated interaction and "pretty pictures" ti nabage

Lordie, did I actually type that I I meant "to manage".

>> LVM, various clustering filesystems, and network installation have
>> been added as desired, but it's easy to lose site of simple steps like
>> "just present the names of disks.
>
> python isn't the problem; the hub and spoke "concept" is. Ubuntu's
> Ubiquity is the best GUI installer.
>
> Ubiquity can't set up mdraid like Anaconda, but it handles btrfs
> better than Anaconda.
>
> Anaconda's partitioning spoke's so horrendous that I only use
> kickstart or "yum --installroot=... ..." - or unpack a tarball created
> with one of those methods.

Unfortunately, the "system-config-kickstart" tool is also horrible. It
rewrites any base kickstart in its own format, quite orthogonal to the
original and  to the "anaconda-ks.cfg" file generated at install time,
and it can only deal with one '%post" stanza though kickstart supports
multiple stanzas.

For future kickstarts, it's *amazing* what you can stuff into a bit of
'%pre' scripting to apply "dd" and "parted" to any detected disks, or
even to more gracefully clear LVM volumes, groups, and devices. With
the improvements in the installation image's version of parted since
SL 6, it became much easier to configure and pre-align disks pretty
much as desired.


Re: SL 7.1 not installing from DVD on unpartitioned disk

2015-09-24 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 9:13 AM, Nico Kadel-Garcia  wrote:
>
> The difficulty is that anaconda has become a python nightmare of
> complexity, coupled with an unnecessary GUI of complexity. New
> features of sophisticated interaction and "pretty pictures" ti nabage
> LVM, various clustering filesystems, and network installation have
> been added as desired, but it's easy to lose site of simple steps like
> "just present the names of disks.

python isn't the problem; the hub and spoke "concept" is. Ubuntu's
Ubiquity is the best GUI installer.

Ubiquity can't set up mdraid like Anaconda, but it handles btrfs
better than Anaconda.

Anaconda's partitioning spoke's so horrendous that I only use
kickstart or "yum --installroot=... ..." - or unpack a tarball created
with one of those methods.