Re: centOS 8 ... Gnome 3, Mate
On 09/10/2019 21:15, Keith Lofstrom wrote: > On Wed, Oct 09, 2019 at 12:10:50PM +, Teh, Kenneth M. wrote: > >> One thing that annoys me is the hot top left corner but I have that >> disabled. > > That is nice to know, I'll find out how. I presume Mate and > Gnome3 can coexist on the same machine, perhaps with different > logins to access them, so I can make the transition as Gnome3 > is adapted to my needs. > > >> For a while I missed the icons on the desktop but I don't anymore. > > Is there a way around that with Gnome3, to keep user-generated > icons on the desktop, and few or NO system-mandatory icons? Yes, there is a "GNOME Tweaks" app (I believe it is installed by default) where you can enabled desktop icons and choose whether you want to show "Home", "Network Servers", "Wastebasket" and "Mounted Volumes". So you can have your own icons on the desktop if you want to. This Tweaks app is also where you turn on/off various extensions to GNOME Shell, which extends the shell with more features of your liking. I have these extensions installed and activated: - Alternatetab - Applications menu - Launch new instance - No topleft hot corner - Recent items - Removable drive menu - Sound input & output device chooser - Suspend button - Topicons I have also one more, Pixel saver, which I like but I'm not sure if it makes GNOME Shell unstable, as when I have maximized windows it seems to crash from time to time (2-4 times a month or so). -- kind regards, David Sommerseth
Re: centOS 8 ... Gnome 3, Mate
On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 2:15 PM Keith Lofstrom wrote: > That is nice to know, I'll find out how. I presume Mate and > Gnome3 can coexist on the same machine, perhaps with different > logins to access them, so I can make the transition as Gnome3 > is adapted to my needs. No need for separate logins. Just choose which environment you want from the login manager.
Re: centOS 8 ... Gnome 3, Mate
On 10/10/2019 5:15 am, Keith Lofstrom wrote: On Wed, Oct 09, 2019 at 12:10:50PM +, Teh, Kenneth M. wrote: One thing that annoys me is the hot top left corner but I have that disabled. That is nice to know, I'll find out how. I presume Mate and Gnome3 can coexist on the same machine, perhaps with different logins to access them, so I can make the transition as Gnome3 is adapted to my needs. For a while I missed the icons on the desktop but I don't anymore. Is there a way around that with Gnome3, to keep user-generated icons on the desktop, and few or NO system-mandatory icons? I keep about two dozen icons and folders on my desktop, changing them frequently with my workflow, different patterns for differently tasked machines. Sadly, it is true that some people let icons accumulate and make a mess (resembling their physical desktops), and that slows down the machine. I once helped a colleague move 800 overlapped icons on her desktop to folders, and mostly to the trash. For me, visual organization of my work using my own icons and classifications is vital, and saves mental effort for more important needs. Also important is to avoid externally imposed change for change's sake; I'm quite capable of introducting more changes in my own life than I can manage. Keith What about using gnome 3clasic -- Cheers Bill
Re: centOS 8 ... Gnome 3, Mate
On Wed, Oct 09, 2019 at 07:44:23PM +, Teh, Kenneth M. wrote: > The desktop icons I would have liked to have are files/documents one is > currently working with. I haven't figured out how. That is exactly what I use my desktop for. Documents I am working on, PDFs I'm reading before filing, launchers for my own self-generated applications, Most importantly, presentations ready-to-launch for conferences (using my own presentation app), so I can start up with the focus slide and then the title slide in seconds. Horsing around with a mouse and a menu sucks when I want to focus on the audience and the material I want to present. Keith -- Keith Lofstrom kei...@keithl.com
Re: centOS 8 ... Gnome 3, Mate
Re: desktop icons. App icons are in the dock so having a shortcut link on the desktop to an app is not really needed. Hit the Super (the Windows) key and type the name of the app you want to launch. Much faster. If the current focus is the Gnome Terminal, Ctrl-Shift-N opens a new Gnome Terminal window which is what I use mostly. The desktop icons I would have liked to have are files/documents one is currently working with. I haven't figured out how. Putting stuff in the Desktop folder has no effect. So, eventually, I just ended up using the file manager app. The only drawback is scrolling down to find for the file. The Downloads window in the file manager has a 'ls -t' ordering so I imagine it is possible to configure the other folders to have the same ordering instead of the alphabetic or folder-then-files ordering. This way your current document is always at the top. The CLI for Gnome is gsettings but there is a gnome tweaks tool that is a GUI to gsettings. I used it for instance to add a compose key so I can type simple letters with diacriticals. It's worth installing. Here's a section of my own notes on gnome with link to some useful (maybe outdated) info. > Settings list > = > > A useful on-line resource for gsettings, their keys and values, is > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__people.gnome.org_-7Epmkovar_system-2Dadmin-2Dguide_index.html=DwIGaQ=gRgGjJ3BkIsb5y6s49QqsA=gd8BzeSQcySVxr0gDWSEbN-P-pgDXkdyCtaMqdCgPPdW1cyL5RIpaIYrCn8C5x2A=5GbBSPtAOuCA234pG8d5JY2ITZevk4w-pHdsVe8Kyns=gYM3IXWpZTse-8sAIYNQfcFL3NFlH9f0HRcuF8jkgho= > > > No particular order: > > * Disable automaximize when dragging a window to the top :: > > gsettings set org.gnome.mutter auto-maximize false > > Hmm...didn't seem to work. Reboot? Or edge-tiling false? > > * Turning caps lock into a compose key: > > | tweak-tool -> typing -> position-of-compose-key > > * Show date in the top panel :: > > $ gsettings set org.gnome.shell.clock show-date true > > * Dual monitor workspace. To make it span both monitors, say:: > > $ gsettings set org.gnome.mutter workspaces-only-on-primary false Hope this helps. On 10/9/19 2:15 PM, Keith Lofstrom wrote: > On Wed, Oct 09, 2019 at 12:10:50PM +, Teh, Kenneth M. wrote: > >> One thing that annoys me is the hot top left corner but I have that disabled. > > That is nice to know, I'll find out how. I presume Mate and > Gnome3 can coexist on the same machine, perhaps with different > logins to access them, so I can make the transition as Gnome3 > is adapted to my needs. > > >> For a while I missed the icons on the desktop but I don't anymore. > > Is there a way around that with Gnome3, to keep user-generated > icons on the desktop, and few or NO system-mandatory icons? > > I keep about two dozen icons and folders on my desktop, > changing them frequently with my workflow, different patterns > for differently tasked machines. > > Sadly, it is true that some people let icons accumulate and > make a mess (resembling their physical desktops), and that > slows down the machine. I once helped a colleague move 800 > overlapped icons on her desktop to folders, and mostly to > the trash. > > For me, visual organization of my work using my own icons > and classifications is vital, and saves mental effort for > more important needs. Also important is to avoid externally > imposed change for change's sake; I'm quite capable of > introducting more changes in my own life than I can manage. > > Keith >
Re: centOS 8 ... Gnome 3, Mate
On Wed, Oct 09, 2019 at 12:10:50PM +, Teh, Kenneth M. wrote: > One thing that annoys me is the hot top left corner but I have that disabled. That is nice to know, I'll find out how. I presume Mate and Gnome3 can coexist on the same machine, perhaps with different logins to access them, so I can make the transition as Gnome3 is adapted to my needs. > For a while I missed the icons on the desktop but I don't anymore. Is there a way around that with Gnome3, to keep user-generated icons on the desktop, and few or NO system-mandatory icons? I keep about two dozen icons and folders on my desktop, changing them frequently with my workflow, different patterns for differently tasked machines. Sadly, it is true that some people let icons accumulate and make a mess (resembling their physical desktops), and that slows down the machine. I once helped a colleague move 800 overlapped icons on her desktop to folders, and mostly to the trash. For me, visual organization of my work using my own icons and classifications is vital, and saves mental effort for more important needs. Also important is to avoid externally imposed change for change's sake; I'm quite capable of introducting more changes in my own life than I can manage. Keith -- Keith Lofstrom kei...@keithl.com
Re: centOS 8 ... Gnome 3, Mate
Teh, Kenneth M. writes: > I agree with David. I've been using Gnome 3 since Fedora 26 and it's > really quite nice. I especially like the ability to launch an app from > the keyboard without an open terminal. I somehow only discovered recently that in KDE, typing without a window in focus (so, typing at the desktop I guess) does the same thing: opens up a temporary command line so you can run something without an open terminal. So now I do this a lot. But, less mousing makes me happy too - there's probably a way to map an otherwise useless key (like the windows one) to save me having to mouse over the desktop to do this. Never thought I'd be wanting to steal a gnome3 thing! -- Alec Habig University of Minnesota Duluth Dept. of Physics and Astronomy ha...@neutrino.d.umn.edu https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__neutrino.d.umn.edu_-7Ehabig_=DwIBAw=gRgGjJ3BkIsb5y6s49QqsA=gd8BzeSQcySVxr0gDWSEbN-P-pgDXkdyCtaMqdCgPPdW1cyL5RIpaIYrCn8C5x2A=_sBwrjb20HN_j841mPVD8P5Oz4EJJppPuHSVWKhm3Yw=oYrExQWap1-X3U_m-QBd44GbNtgDu7VFcQsaH-7ho0M=
Re: centOS 8 ... Gnome 3, Mate
I agree with David. I've been using Gnome 3 since Fedora 26 and it's really quite nice. I especially like the ability to launch an app from the keyboard without an open terminal. The Windows or Super key is really very handy. I'm also very fond of the Mac-style scroll. I just wish I could get my windows box to do the same. One thing that annoys me is the hot top left corner but I have that disabled. For a while I missed the icons on the desktop but I don't anymore. On 10/9/19 6:31 AM, David Sommerseth wrote: > [resent with correct mail identity] > > On 09/10/2019 02:19, Keith Lofstrom wrote: >>> Centos 8 problems. >>> 1. We noticed that the mouse wheel has changed direction ... >> >> Some of the issues described are Gnome3 "features", not >> just CentOS. I switched to Mate, a fork which resembles >> Gnome2. I hope the Mate team outlives me. Send money >> to them. >> >> I don't use tablets, "smart phones" (aka "dodo-paddles"), >> gestures (besides the venerable middle digit), and other >> cat-video-interface indoctrination and surveillance tools. > > This is FUD ... And to be honest I did believe this too in the early GNOME > 3/GNOME Shell days. But nowadays GNOME 3 is by far more keyboard friendly > than GNOME 2 was. Nowadays, I mostly use the mouse to mark text and keep the > right window focused (I use focus-follows-mouse). > > So ... > > - alt-tab with cursor keys to quickly flip windows without mouse. > > - To open, say Firefox - hit the Windows-key, type "firef [ENTER]" - if there > are multiple matches, use cursor keys. And search results are adaptive, so if > you search for the same thing more often, it appears higher up in the result > list. > > - To move windows, hit ALT-F7 and move the window with cursor keys (or go via > the ALT+Space menu) > > - To resize windows, hit ALT-F8 and resize the window with cursor keys (or go > via ALT+Space menu) > > - Maximize window: Windows key + cursor key UP > > - Normalize window: Windows key + cursor key DOWN > > - Maximize only cover half left or right side of the screen: Windows key + > cursor key LEFT/RIGHT (undo by doing it once more, or Windows key + Cursor > DOWN) > > - Restart GNOME Shell: ALT+F2 and type "r [enter]" > > - Move window to another workspace: Focus the window you want to move and hit > CTRL-ALT-SHIFT + cursor UP/DOWN > > - Switch workspace: CTRL-ALT + cursor UP/DOWN > > - Hit ctrl-alt-tab, and cursor keys now highlights things available on the > "top bar" on the screen, allowing you to access those elements using cursor > keys and the enter key. > > ... > ... > and the list goes on. > > Oh, hit the Windows key and search for "keyboard" and go down with cursor keys > to "Settings -> Keyboard", and you see all the shortcuts there and can change > or add more if you want. Looking for something particular in that Keyboard > settings window, just start typing what you're searching for. > > If you've also configured GNOME to also index documents and contacts, they all > appear when you start searching (via the Windows-key). > > > I don't mind people bashing and complaining about bad software. But only when > the facts are right. >
centOS 8 ... Gnome 3, Mate
> Centos 8 problems. > 1. We noticed that the mouse wheel has changed direction ... Some of the issues described are Gnome3 "features", not just CentOS. I switched to Mate, a fork which resembles Gnome2. I hope the Mate team outlives me. Send money to them. I don't use tablets, "smart phones" (aka "dodo-paddles"), gestures (besides the venerable middle digit), and other cat-video-interface indoctrination and surveillance tools. I still read printed books and scientific papers on actual paper, and pencil margin notes on my copies. I spend days in great libraries; the book I need is shelved next to the book I was looking for. I pay cash when possible. And I live near Powell's Books, one of the best in the western hemisphere. I'm reminded of Cyril Kornbluth's 1951 novella "The Marching Morons", which shows how /old/ I am. My apologies to the ghosts of the intellectuals of that era, who put up MY "innovations". Keith -- Keith Lofstrom kei...@keithl.com
