Re: MATE on SL 7
It'd also be nice to have a non GUI way to set the DE to launch, as with XFCE anyway I have to select for every user, can't seem to find anything to twiddle with puppet. Now, I'm not sure I want to enforce it either, but just change the default. James Pulver CLASSE Computer Group Cornell University On 04/09/2016 12:55 AM, S. Tindall wrote: On 04/08/2016 09:16 PM, Bill Maidment wrote: Hi Guys I installed (yum groupinstall mate-desktop) on SL 7.2 and I can select MATE using the icon next to the "Sign In" button on the password entry screen. It seems to remember what your last selection was, too. Cheers Bill Thanks Bill! You are absolutely correct. Switched back to GDM and the MATE selection was exactly where you said it would be. Before, I looked everywhere for a desktop selection at login, but never thought to look again after selecting my username. I don't recall having to select MATE from a login list after installing under 7.1. Steve
Re: MATE on SL 7
On 04/08/2016 09:55 PM, S. Tindall wrote: On 04/08/2016 09:16 PM, Bill Maidment wrote: Hi Guys I installed (yum groupinstall mate-desktop) on SL 7.2 and I can select MATE using the icon next to the "Sign In" button on the password entry screen. It seems to remember what your last selection was, too. Cheers Bill Thanks Bill! You are absolutely correct. Switched back to GDM and the MATE selection was exactly where you said it would be. Before, I looked everywhere for a desktop selection at login, but never thought to look again after selecting my username. I don't recall having to select MATE from a login list after installing under 7.1. Steve I have not investigated the actual "name" of the application/applet/whatever that provides the default login screen to a SL 7 GUI environment (by "default", I mean that after an installation using the GUI installer for SL 7, this is the screen that appears for login). Unlike on OpenSUSE, what ever this is works fine with MATE as installed from the EPEL repo. There is a small "gear" icon on screen. Using that icon, one gets a list (e.g., Gnome, KDE, ... ) upon which is listed MATE after the MATE installation. No "fiddling" was required to change the default login GUI application (unlike my experience with OpenSUSE under which I did need to change the equivalent application to one that "supported" the OpenSUSE port of MATE. For those who do not like either the current Gnome or KDE (both of which seem to have the aroma of MS Win 8 desktop or MacOS X desktop, perhaps with a bit of the Android desktop as well), are there fully provisioned alternatives to MATE? The previous Gnome 2 GUI, as with MATE, seems to have all of the functionality that a professional (not "thats entertainment") user needs. As MATE is a "fork" of Gnome 2 updated to run under later release distros for which Gnome 2 is not available (and not being developed/ported by the Gnome "team"), it more or less is Gnome 2 (with icon and possibly name changes, just as SL has icon changes from RHEL in so far as such icons carry the Red Hat "brand" -- thus there is "eye of mate" rather than "eye of gnome", etc.). Yasha Karant
Re: MATE on SL 7
On 04/08/2016 09:16 PM, Bill Maidment wrote: Hi Guys I installed (yum groupinstall mate-desktop) on SL 7.2 and I can select MATE using the icon next to the "Sign In" button on the password entry screen. It seems to remember what your last selection was, too. Cheers Bill Thanks Bill! You are absolutely correct. Switched back to GDM and the MATE selection was exactly where you said it would be. Before, I looked everywhere for a desktop selection at login, but never thought to look again after selecting my username. I don't recall having to select MATE from a login list after installing under 7.1. Steve
RE: MATE on SL 7
Hi Guys I installed (yum groupinstall mate-desktop) on SL 7.2 and I can select MATE using the icon next to the "Sign In" button on the password entry screen. It seems to remember what your last selection was, too. Cheers Bill -Original message- > From:S. Tindall > Sent: Saturday 9th April 2016 10:15 > To: SL Users > Subject: Re: MATE on SL 7 > > On 04/06/2016 05:30 PM, Yasha Karant wrote: > > It appears that the software package GUI installer, gpk-application, > > does not have what is needed for an install of MATE > > under SL. (One evidently does not need MATE for SL 6 as Gnome 2 is part > > of the stock SL 6 distribution). During the base install of SL 7, > > I always install both whatever Gnome and KDE GUIs are supplied; thus the > > comment below about X windows is not relevant for my use. > > I do this on servers as well as workstations so that graphical machine > > "workload" display and analysis tools are available in addition to the > > scrolling text tools. (Sometimes a visualisation provides insight that > > a table or text does not.) > ... > > One workaround under SL7.2 is to switch your display manager from gdm to > lightdm, which will allow you to select MATE at login (upper right > corner). I think lightdm comes with the MATE desktop group. Otherwise, > look in epel. > > # uname -r > 3.10.0-327.13.1.el7.x86_64 > > # rpm -q system-switch-displaymanager lightdm > > system-switch-displaymanager-1.3-4.el7.nux.noarch > lightdm-1.10.5-6.el7.x86_64 > > # system-switch-displaymanager > Please specify one of either GDM, KDM, XDM, WDM or LIGHTDM. > > # system-switch-displaymanager LIGHTDM > Created symlink from /etc/systemd/system/display-manager.service to > /usr/lib/systemd/system/lightdm.service. > Your default graphical display manager has successfully been switched. > > # reboot > > Alternately, you can systemctl disable gdm, systemctl enable lightdm and > reboot. > > Your Mileage May Vary. > > BTW, a while back, MATE was installed locally on a SL7.1 system and it > continues to launch MATE under SL7.2 without any problems. Go figure. > > Steve > >
Re: MATE on SL 7
On 04/06/2016 05:30 PM, Yasha Karant wrote: It appears that the software package GUI installer, gpk-application, does not have what is needed for an install of MATE under SL. (One evidently does not need MATE for SL 6 as Gnome 2 is part of the stock SL 6 distribution). During the base install of SL 7, I always install both whatever Gnome and KDE GUIs are supplied; thus the comment below about X windows is not relevant for my use. I do this on servers as well as workstations so that graphical machine "workload" display and analysis tools are available in addition to the scrolling text tools. (Sometimes a visualisation provides insight that a table or text does not.) ... One workaround under SL7.2 is to switch your display manager from gdm to lightdm, which will allow you to select MATE at login (upper right corner). I think lightdm comes with the MATE desktop group. Otherwise, look in epel. # uname -r 3.10.0-327.13.1.el7.x86_64 # rpm -q system-switch-displaymanager lightdm system-switch-displaymanager-1.3-4.el7.nux.noarch lightdm-1.10.5-6.el7.x86_64 # system-switch-displaymanager Please specify one of either GDM, KDM, XDM, WDM or LIGHTDM. # system-switch-displaymanager LIGHTDM Created symlink from /etc/systemd/system/display-manager.service to /usr/lib/systemd/system/lightdm.service. Your default graphical display manager has successfully been switched. # reboot Alternately, you can systemctl disable gdm, systemctl enable lightdm and reboot. Your Mileage May Vary. BTW, a while back, MATE was installed locally on a SL7.1 system and it continues to launch MATE under SL7.2 without any problems. Go figure. Steve
Re: MATE on SL 7
On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 1:57 AM, Yasha Karant wrote: > On 04/06/2016 04:11 PM, Tom H wrote: >> >> Debian has a tradition of chopping packages up. >> >> For Gnome, there's gnome-core and gnome. The former provides a minimal >> Gnome environment and the latter provides the full complement of apps. >> >> I assume that the Debian Mate maintainers followed the same pattern >> but I have no idea what mate-desktop-environment-extras might be. I >> assume that EPEL's mate-desktop corresponds to Debian's >> mate-desktop-environment. > > "assume" can be very dangerous. Yes. But it's a fairly safe assumption because neither Fedora nor RHEL has ever followed the Debian model. Are you running "yum groupinstall mate-desktop" or "yum install mate-desktop"? On an X-less system: When I run "yum groupinstall mate-desktop", yum wants to pull in 540 packages and 410MB/1.2GB. When I run "yum install mate-desktop", yum wants to pull in 140 packages and 80MB/240MB.
Re: MATE on SL 7
On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 11:30 PM, Yasha Karant wrote: > From: > > http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/download > > Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7 > > MATE is available through the Extra Packages for Enterprise Linux > (EPEL) repository, maintained by the Fedora Project. This should work > on CentOS 7 as well, and any other compatible derivatives. > > After you install the epel-release-7*.rpm package to add the EPEL > repository to Yum, you can install MATE with the following command: > > yum groupinstall mate-desktop > > If you install this on a minimal system without an existing GUI > configured (such as a GNOME or KDE desktop), you might want to install > the X Window System group as well for local graphical logins: > > yum groupinstall "X Window System" > > You may also want to change the default systemd target to graphical: > > systemctl set-default graphical.target > > End quote. > > Note that unlike other entries in this URL document, the actual > release (version) of MATE is not given (presumably because the > document maintainers do not have the time or perhaps do not get > information from the EPEL "team". Probably because EPEL doesn't stick to one version per release. Last April, mate-desktop 1.8.2 was added. Last August, 1.10. Last December, 1.12. > Also, unlike the entry for Debian that states: > > Debian > > MATE 1.8.1 is currently packaged for Debian 8 (jessie). MATE 1.12 is > also available on Debian testing (“Stretch”) and unstable (“Sid”). > > (If sudo is unavailable on your system, simply omit it and use a root > shell) > > First make sure your package list is up-to-date by running: > > sudo apt-get update > > To install MATE, choose one of the apt-get options below. > > This will install the base packages required for a minimal MATE desktop > > sudo apt-get install mate-desktop-environment-core > > This will install the complete MATE desktop > > sudo apt-get install mate-desktop-environment > > This will install the complete MATE desktop including a few extras > > sudo apt-get install mate-desktop-environment-extras > > End quote > > There is no explanation of just which components are automagically > loaded through the use of the RHEL 7 instructions; that is, there is > no explicit equivalent of: > > This will install the complete MATE desktop including a few extras > > sudo apt-get install mate-desktop-environment-extras > > i am not certain what are in the "extras"; I do know that after I got > MATE up and running on my wife's SL7.2 laptop, I had to hunt for the > other RPMs I needed to get MATE GUI displays of what she expected (and > I also use on my MATE desktop). I am referring to items for the MATE > menu and items for a MATE panel (e.g., applets). Debian has a tradition of chopping packages up. For Gnome, there's gnome-core and gnome. The former provides a minimal Gnome environment and the latter provides the full complement of apps. I assume that the Debian Mate maintainers followed the same pattern but I have no idea what mate-desktop-environment-extras might be. I assume that EPEL's mate-desktop corresponds to Debian's mate-desktop-environment.
MATE on SL 7
It appears that the software package GUI installer, gpk-application, does not have what is needed for an install of MATE under SL. (One evidently does not need MATE for SL 6 as Gnome 2 is part of the stock SL 6 distribution). During the base install of SL 7, I always install both whatever Gnome and KDE GUIs are supplied; thus the comment below about X windows is not relevant for my use. I do this on servers as well as workstations so that graphical machine "workload" display and analysis tools are available in addition to the scrolling text tools. (Sometimes a visualisation provides insight that a table or text does not.) From: http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/download Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7 MATE is available through the Extra Packages for Enterprise Linux (EPEL) repository, maintained by the Fedora Project. This should work on CentOS 7 as well, and any other compatible derivatives. After you install the epel-release-7*.rpm package to add the EPEL repository to Yum, you can install MATE with the following command: yum groupinstall mate-desktop If you install this on a minimal system without an existing GUI configured (such as a GNOME or KDE desktop), you might want to install the X Window System group as well for local graphical logins: yum groupinstall "X Window System" you may also want to change the default systemd target to graphical: systemctl set-default graphical.target End quote. Note that unlike other entries in this URL document, the actual release (version) of MATE is not given (presumably because the document maintainers do not have the time or perhaps do not get information from the EPEL "team", Also, unlike the entry for Debian that states: Debian MATE 1.8.1 is currently packaged for Debian 8 (jessie). MATE 1.12 is also available on Debian testing (“Stretch”) and unstable (“Sid”). (If sudo is unavailable on your system, simply omit it and use a root shell) First make sure your package list is up-to-date by running: sudo apt-get update To install MATE, choose one of the apt-get options below. This will install the base packages required for a minimal MATE desktop sudo apt-get install mate-desktop-environment-core This will install the complete MATE desktop sudo apt-get install mate-desktop-environment This will install the complete MATE desktop including a few extras sudo apt-get install mate-desktop-environment-extras End quote There is no explanation of just which components are automagically loaded through the use of the RHEL 7 instructions; that is, there is no explicit equivalent of: This will install the complete MATE desktop including a few extras sudo apt-get install mate-desktop-environment-extras i am not certain what are in the "extras"; I do know that after I got MATE up and running on my wife's SL7.2 laptop, I had to hunt for the other RPMs I needed to get MATE GUI displays of what she expected (and I also use on my MATE desktop). I am referring to items for the MATE menu and items for a MATE panel (e.g., applets). Yasha Karant ;
