SL on ARM

[Gordan Bobic]

Hi,

I recently became aware that the CentOS guys are working on this as of 
recently, so I thought I'd see if any SL users may also be interested in 
such a thing. A similar ARM distro already exists, though. Those 
interested in an ARM port may want to take a look at RedSleeve Linux, 
which is an ARM port of the same upstream distribution as SL and CentOS.


You can look here for more info:
http://www.redsleeve.org/about/
http://www.redsleeve.org/

In total 109 SRPMs had to be modified in order to get them to build and 
work on ARM. They are in SRPMS/changed directory on the RedSleeve 
mirror. (Note: About 5 of those 109 were changed in order to remove the 
upstream branding which isn't relevant to the SL effort as it is already 
taken care of. It is quite well known what those are.)


Gordan

Re: SL on ARM

[Dag Wieers]

On Mon, 26 Mar 2012, Gordan Bobic wrote:

I recently became aware that the CentOS guys are working on this as of 
recently, so I thought I'd see if any SL users may also be interested in such 
a thing. A similar ARM distro already exists, though. Those interested in an 
ARM port may want to take a look at RedSleeve Linux, which is an ARM port of 
the same upstream distribution as SL and CentOS.


You can look here for more info:
http: //www.redsleeve.org/about/
http: //www.redsleeve.org/

In total 109 SRPMs had to be modified in order to get them to build and work 
on ARM. They are in SRPMS/changed directory on the RedSleeve mirror. (Note: 
About 5 of those 109 were changed in order to remove the upstream branding 
which isn't relevant to the SL effort as it is already taken care of. It is 
quite well known what those are.)


Interesting ! Thanks for the link :)

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-- dagit linux solutions, i...@dagit.net, http://dagit.net/

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Re: SL on ARM

[Konstantin Olchanski]

On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 10:38:31AM +0100, Gordan Bobic wrote:
> 
> ... similar ARM distro ...
> http://www.redsleeve.org/
> 

But this is very theoretical as there are no common ARM hardware to run on. 
(links to newegg, please!)

But this is very useful as we move from embedded Intel to embeded ARM (embedded 
Intel=CPU+NB+SB+eth
chips; embedded ARM=synthesised CPU inside an FPGA or real CPU inside an FPGA+, 
RAM, maybe+separate eth chip).

-- 
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Data Acquisition Systems: The Bytes Must Flow!
Email: olchansk-at-triumf-dot-ca
Snail mail: 4004 Wesbrook Mall, TRIUMF, Vancouver, B.C., V6T 2A3, Canada

Re: SL on ARM

[Christopher Tooley]

On 2012-03-26, at 8:10 AM, Konstantin Olchanski wrote:

> On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 10:38:31AM +0100, Gordan Bobic wrote:
>> 
>> ... similar ARM distro ...
>> http://www.redsleeve.org/
>> 
> 
> But this is very theoretical as there are no common ARM hardware to run on. 
> (links to newegg, please!)
> 
> But this is very useful as we move from embedded Intel to embeded ARM 
> (embedded Intel=CPU+NB+SB+eth
> chips; embedded ARM=synthesised CPU inside an FPGA or real CPU inside an 
> FPGA+, RAM, maybe+separate eth chip).
> 
> -- 
> Konstantin Olchanski
> Data Acquisition Systems: The Bytes Must Flow!
> Email: olchansk-at-triumf-dot-ca
> Snail mail: 4004 Wesbrook Mall, TRIUMF, Vancouver, B.C., V6T 2A3, Canada


Hello!

As an example of a platform that seems to be getting a lot of attention and 
possibly very good distribution worldwide, Raspberry Pi is a small, cheap ARM 
computer the size of a credit card. I can see scientific linux being a boon for 
educators who choose RaspPi as a platform.
http://www.raspberrypi.org/

Currently, there is huge demand, so the board sold out quickly, but there is 
plenty of information at the site. Of particular note is the fact that the 
Raspberry Pi foundation is a not-for-profit UK charity, intending to bring 
computing to schools and education in order to increase the number of 
programmers worldwide.

Allied Electronics and Element 14 seem to be the current distributors.

-Chris

Re: SL on ARM

[Konstantin Olchanski]

> >> On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 10:38:31AM +0100, Gordan Bobic wrote:
> >> http://www.redsleeve.org/
> On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 09:18:19AM -0700, Christopher Tooley wrote:
> http://www.raspberrypi.org/
> 

As I understand, the raspberry machine does not exist. As reported elsewhere,
the first batch of production boards was assembled with a wrong part
resulting in non-working ethernet. I did not see any reports of following
production batches (fully working or not).

For those not familiar with this, it's an SBC built using a smart-phone ARM 
chipset.

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Email: olchansk-at-triumf-dot-ca
Snail mail: 4004 Wesbrook Mall, TRIUMF, Vancouver, B.C., V6T 2A3, Canada

Re: SL on ARM

[Christopher Tooley]

On 2012-03-26, at 10:08 AM, Konstantin Olchanski wrote:

 On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 10:38:31AM +0100, Gordan Bobic wrote:
 http://www.redsleeve.org/
>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 09:18:19AM -0700, Christopher Tooley wrote:
>> http://www.raspberrypi.org/
>> 
> 
> As I understand, the raspberry machine does not exist. As reported elsewhere,
> the first batch of production boards was assembled with a wrong part
> resulting in non-working ethernet. I did not see any reports of following
> production batches (fully working or not).


While no-one has yet received a pi, I doubt that it's vaporware ;) There are 
copious RPi videos online demoing xbmc among other things, and the founders are 
routinely demonstrating pis running at various physical events (recently the 
Beeb@30 event).

> For those not familiar with this, it's an SBC built using a smart-phone ARM 
> chipset.

Yep! more information here:
http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs

"The SoC is a Broadcom BCM2835. This contains an ARM1176JZFS, with floating 
point, running at 700Mhz, and a Videocore 4 GPU. The GPU is capable of BluRay 
quality playback, using H.264 at 40MBits/s. It has a fast 3D core accessed 
using the supplied OpenGL ES2.0 and OpenVG libraries."

It is supposed to cost about $25 - $35.

I've pre-ordered one, but I doubt I will get one of the first batch. Apparently 
the 1 they built sold out handily.

-Chris

Re: SL on ARM

[Konstantin Olchanski]

On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 11:02:41AM -0700, Christopher Tooley wrote:
> On 2012-03-26, at 10:08 AM, Konstantin Olchanski wrote:
> 
>  On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 10:38:31AM +0100, Gordan Bobic wrote:
>  http://www.redsleeve.org/
> >> On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 09:18:19AM -0700, Christopher Tooley wrote:
> >> http://www.raspberrypi.org/
> >> 
> > 
> > As I understand, the raspberry machine does not exist. As reported 
> > elsewhere,
> > the first batch of production boards was assembled with a wrong part
> > resulting in non-working ethernet. I did not see any reports of following
> > production batches (fully working or not).
> 
> 
> While no-one has yet received a pi, I doubt that it's vaporware ;)
>

"no-one received", "online videos", "founders are demonstrating", "preorder 
now" and "available soon" is the definition of vaporware.

One official vendor is:
http://www.element14.com/community/groups/raspberry-pi
read forum postings observe promised shipping dates in May-June.

Bottom line is I cannot buy it, you cannot buy it. (For "buy" == it's in my 
hands. Not some promise to mail it to me later).

K.O.




> There are copious RPi videos online demoing xbmc among other things, and the 
> founders are routinely demonstrating pis running at various physical events 
> (recently the Beeb@30 event).
> 
> > For those not familiar with this, it's an SBC built using a smart-phone ARM 
> > chipset.
> 
> Yep! more information here:
> http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs
> 
> "The SoC is a Broadcom BCM2835. This contains an ARM1176JZFS, with floating 
> point, running at 700Mhz, and a Videocore 4 GPU. The GPU is capable of BluRay 
> quality playback, using H.264 at 40MBits/s. It has a fast 3D core accessed 
> using the supplied OpenGL ES2.0 and OpenVG libraries."
> 
> It is supposed to cost about $25 - $35.
> 
> I've pre-ordered one, but I doubt I will get one of the first batch. 
> Apparently the 1 they built sold out handily.
> 
> -Chris

-- 
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Data Acquisition Systems: The Bytes Must Flow!
Email: olchansk-at-triumf-dot-ca
Snail mail: 4004 Wesbrook Mall, TRIUMF, Vancouver, B.C., V6T 2A3, Canada

Re: SL on ARM

[Gordan Bobic]

On 03/26/2012 04:10 PM, Konstantin Olchanski wrote:

On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 10:38:31AM +0100, Gordan Bobic wrote:


... similar ARM distro ...
http://www.redsleeve.org/



But this is very theoretical as there are no common ARM hardware to run on. 
(links to newegg, please!)


There doesn't need to be "common hardware". The rootfs/userspace is 
armv5tel, so it will run on any ARMv5, ARMv6 or ARMv7 CPU. You will need 
different kernels for different SoCs, but all devices come with working 
kernels for them anyway, so there is nothing stopping you from using the 
hardware vendor's kernel with the RS rootfs.


At the moment, I only have a Marvell Kirkwood kernel in the repository, 
but I will be adding kernels for other popular hardware as and when the 
more pressing things are out of the way.


Gordan

Re: SL on ARM

[Konstantin Olchanski]

On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 07:40:08PM +0100, Gordan Bobic wrote:
> On 03/26/2012 04:10 PM, Konstantin Olchanski wrote:
> >On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 10:38:31AM +0100, Gordan Bobic wrote:
> >>
> >>... similar ARM distro ...
> >>http://www.redsleeve.org/
> >>
> >
> >But this is very theoretical as there are no common ARM hardware to run on. 
> >(links to newegg, please!)
> 
> There doesn't need to be "common hardware". The rootfs/userspace is
> armv5tel, so it will run on any ARMv5, ARMv6 or ARMv7 CPU.
>


I am not up to speed on the different ARM versions, but would it run on this:
http://www.altera.com/devices/processor/arm/cortex-m1/m-arm-cortex-m1.html
and this:
http://www.altera.com/devices/processor/arm/cortex-a9/m-arm-cortex-a9.html


> You will need different kernels for different SoCs, but all devices come with
> working kernels for them anyway, so there is nothing stopping you
> from using the hardware vendor's kernel with the RS rootfs.


That would be Altera, I guess, but I do not see any downloads for ARM Linux 
kernels
on their web page. Maybe I should try again in a year...


-- 
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Data Acquisition Systems: The Bytes Must Flow!
Email: olchansk-at-triumf-dot-ca
Snail mail: 4004 Wesbrook Mall, TRIUMF, Vancouver, B.C., V6T 2A3, Canada

Re: SL on ARM

[Gordan Bobic]

On 03/26/2012 07:53 PM, Konstantin Olchanski wrote:

On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 07:40:08PM +0100, Gordan Bobic wrote:

On 03/26/2012 04:10 PM, Konstantin Olchanski wrote:

On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 10:38:31AM +0100, Gordan Bobic wrote:


... similar ARM distro ...
http://www.redsleeve.org/



But this is very theoretical as there are no common ARM hardware to run on. 
(links to newegg, please!)


There doesn't need to be "common hardware". The rootfs/userspace is
armv5tel, so it will run on any ARMv5, ARMv6 or ARMv7 CPU.




I am not up to speed on the different ARM versions, but would it run on this:
http://www.altera.com/devices/processor/arm/cortex-m1/m-arm-cortex-m1.html
and this:
http://www.altera.com/devices/processor/arm/cortex-a9/m-arm-cortex-a9.html


Cortex M1 is ARMv6 and Cortex A9 is ARMv7. The RS userspace targets 
ARMv5, so yes, it should run on both of those.



You will need different kernels for different SoCs, but all devices come with
working kernels for them anyway, so there is nothing stopping you
from using the hardware vendor's kernel with the RS rootfs.


That would be Altera, I guess, but I do not see any downloads for ARM Linux 
kernels
on their web page. Maybe I should try again in a year...


Some SoC vendors tend not to be particularly open about such things 
until you actually buy the dev kit, but it is a virtual certainty you 
will get a supported kernel they have cooked up for the device with it - 
otherwise nobody would buy them.


Some SoC vendors are very good at pushing things upstream, too, e.g. 
Marvell.


Gordan

Re: SL on ARM

[Mark Rousell]

On 26/03/2012 19:33, Konstantin Olchanski wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 11:02:41AM -0700, Christopher Tooley wrote:
>> On 2012-03-26, at 10:08 AM, Konstantin Olchanski wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 10:38:31AM +0100, Gordan Bobic wrote:
>> http://www.redsleeve.org/
 On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 09:18:19AM -0700, Christopher Tooley wrote:
 http://www.raspberrypi.org/

>>>
>>> As I understand, the raspberry machine does not exist. As reported 
>>> elsewhere,
>>> the first batch of production boards was assembled with a wrong part
>>> resulting in non-working ethernet. I did not see any reports of following
>>> production batches (fully working or not).
>>
>>
>> While no-one has yet received a pi, I doubt that it's vaporware ;)
>>
> 
> "no-one received", "online videos", "founders are demonstrating", "preorder 
> now" and "available soon" is the definition of vaporware.
> 
> One official vendor is:
> http://www.element14.com/community/groups/raspberry-pi
> read forum postings observe promised shipping dates in May-June.
> 
> Bottom line is I cannot buy it, you cannot buy it. (For "buy" == it's in my 
> hands. Not some promise to mail it to me later).
> 
> K.O.

Just to update this, the Raspberry Pi is real and is now shipping. You
can now buy it and receive it in your hands.

It looks likely to spawn a new generation of ARM-based devices in the
same price range. I would have thought that such devices would be an
ideal target for SL.

-- 
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Key ID: C9C5C162

Re: SL on ARM

[Nico Kadel-Garcia]

On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 1:27 AM, Mark Rousell <
markr-scientific-li...@signal100.com> wrote:

> On 26/03/2012 19:33, Konstantin Olchanski wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 11:02:41AM -0700, Christopher Tooley wrote:
> >> On 2012-03-26, at 10:08 AM, Konstantin Olchanski wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 10:38:31AM +0100, Gordan Bobic wrote:
> >> http://www.redsleeve.org/
>  On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 09:18:19AM -0700, Christopher Tooley wrote:
>  http://www.raspberrypi.org/
> 
> >>>
> >>> As I understand, the raspberry machine does not exist. As reported
> elsewhere,
> >>> the first batch of production boards was assembled with a wrong part
> >>> resulting in non-working ethernet. I did not see any reports of
> following
> >>> production batches (fully working or not).
> >>
> >>
> >> While no-one has yet received a pi, I doubt that it's vaporware ;)
> >>
> >
> > "no-one received", "online videos", "founders are demonstrating",
> "preorder now" and "available soon" is the definition of vaporware.
> >
> > One official vendor is:
> > http://www.element14.com/community/groups/raspberry-pi
> > read forum postings observe promised shipping dates in May-June.
> >
> > Bottom line is I cannot buy it, you cannot buy it. (For "buy" == it's in
> my hands. Not some promise to mail it to me later).
> >
> > K.O.
>
> Just to update this, the Raspberry Pi is real and is now shipping. You
> can now buy it and receive it in your hands.
>
> It looks likely to spawn a new generation of ARM-based devices in the
> same price range. I would have thought that such devices would be an
> ideal target for SL.
>
Not likely. SL is a rebuild of an upstream vendor's industry class server
OS.  If our favorite upstream vendor goes there, then that could happen.
But if you look at Fedora as the leading edge of what that vendor plans for
the next generation, I see no major pursuit of ARM in the next major
release. Do you?

Re: SL on ARM

[Lincoln Bryant]

On Jun 9, 2012, at 1:01 AM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:

> 
> 
> On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 1:27 AM, Mark Rousell 
>  wrote:
> On 26/03/2012 19:33, Konstantin Olchanski wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 11:02:41AM -0700, Christopher Tooley wrote:
> >> On 2012-03-26, at 10:08 AM, Konstantin Olchanski wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 10:38:31AM +0100, Gordan Bobic wrote:
> >> http://www.redsleeve.org/
>  On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 09:18:19AM -0700, Christopher Tooley wrote:
>  http://www.raspberrypi.org/
> 
> >>>
> >>> As I understand, the raspberry machine does not exist. As reported 
> >>> elsewhere,
> >>> the first batch of production boards was assembled with a wrong part
> >>> resulting in non-working ethernet. I did not see any reports of following
> >>> production batches (fully working or not).
> >>
> >>
> >> While no-one has yet received a pi, I doubt that it's vaporware ;)
> >>
> >
> > "no-one received", "online videos", "founders are demonstrating", "preorder 
> > now" and "available soon" is the definition of vaporware.
> >
> > One official vendor is:
> > http://www.element14.com/community/groups/raspberry-pi
> > read forum postings observe promised shipping dates in May-June.
> >
> > Bottom line is I cannot buy it, you cannot buy it. (For "buy" == it's in my 
> > hands. Not some promise to mail it to me later).
> >
> > K.O.
> 
> Just to update this, the Raspberry Pi is real and is now shipping. You
> can now buy it and receive it in your hands.
> 
> It looks likely to spawn a new generation of ARM-based devices in the
> same price range. I would have thought that such devices would be an
> ideal target for SL.
> 
> Not likely. SL is a rebuild of an upstream vendor's industry class server OS. 
>  If our favorite upstream vendor goes there, then that could happen. But if 
> you look at Fedora as the leading edge of what that vendor plans for the next 
> generation, I see no major pursuit of ARM in the next major release. Do you?

FWIW, there is some interest within the Fedora community for supporting ARM. In 
fact, the Fedora ARM SIG has released a Fedora 17 beta for some ARM boards. 
See: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/ARM

Nevertheless, I think that even if Our Favorite Vendor (™) supports ARM in some 
far-future release, it will still be an undertaking to support it within SL as 
well.

Cheers,
Lincoln

Re: SL on ARM

[Mark Rousell]

On 09/06/2012 07:01, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
> 
> On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 1:27 AM, Mark Rousell
>  <mailto:markr-scientific-li...@signal100.com>> wrote:
> Just to update this, the Raspberry Pi is real and is now shipping. You
> can now buy it and receive it in your hands.
> 
> It looks likely to spawn a new generation of ARM-based devices in the
> same price range. I would have thought that such devices would be an
> ideal target for SL.
> 
> Not likely. SL is a rebuild of an upstream vendor's industry
> class server OS.  If our favorite upstream vendor goes there, then that
> could happen. But if you look at Fedora as the leading edge of what that
> vendor plans for the next generation, I see no major pursuit of ARM in
> the next major release. Do you?

Anything is possible. To put things in context, this thread began with
the message quoted below:

On 26/03/2012 10:38, Gordan Bobic wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I recently became aware that the CentOS guys are working on this as of
> recently, so I thought I'd see if any SL users may also be interested
> in such a thing. A similar ARM distro already exists, though. Those
> interested in an ARM port may want to take a look at RedSleeve Linux,
> which is an ARM port of the same upstream distribution as SL and
> CentOS.
>
> You can look here for more info:
> http://www.redsleeve.org/about/
> http://www.redsleeve.org/
>
> In total 109 SRPMs had to be modified in order to get them to build
> and work on ARM. They are in SRPMS/changed directory on the RedSleeve
> mirror. (Note: About 5 of those 109 were changed in order to remove
> the upstream branding which isn't relevant to the SL effort as it is
> already taken care of. It is quite well known what those are.)

Istm that whether or not SL-on-ARM ever becomes a reality depends on
what people (current and wouldbe SL users) need and how the SL
developers and community respond to such need (or perceptions thereof).

Anyway, my contribution to the thread was merely to point out (in the
context of the subthread questioning what platforms a putative SL-on-ARM
could run on) that the Raspberry Pi is real and now available.

I'm not the one who suggested SL-on-ARM but it does seem to me like a
potentially beneficial future direction for SL (or something SL-like)
regardless of what upstream might or might not do. ARM is likely to be
increasingly popular in the medium future as a server hardware platform.


-- 
MarkR

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Re: SL on ARM

[Tom H]

On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 2:01 AM, Nico Kadel-Garcia  wrote:
>
> Not likely. SL is a rebuild of an upstream vendor's industry class server
> OS.  If our favorite upstream vendor goes there, then that could happen. But
> if you look at Fedora as the leading edge of what that vendor plans for the
> next generation, I see no major pursuit of ARM in the next major release. Do
> you?

Fedora's considering "upgrading" ARM to a primary architecture for F18:

https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/830

Re: SL on ARM

[sadov]

> On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 2:01 AM, Nico Kadel-Garcia 
> wrote:
>>
>> Not likely. SL is a rebuild of an upstream vendor's industry
>> class server
>> OS.  If our favorite upstream vendor goes there, then that could happen.
>> But
>> if you look at Fedora as the leading edge of what that vendor plans for
>> the
>> next generation, I see no major pursuit of ARM in the next major
>> release. Do
>> you?
>
> Fedora's considering "upgrading" ARM to a primary architecture for F18:
>
> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/830

Moreover, some port RHEL6 to ARM is available:

http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/arm/2012-March/002831.html

Re: SL on ARM

[Nico Kadel-Garcia]

On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 4:58 AM, Gordan Bobic  wrote:

> 9 months ago it would have been a big undertaking. Today it would not be a
> big undertaking at all. All the hard work has already been done in
> RedSleeve (http://www.redsleeve.org). So you could just treat RS as the
> upstream until PNAELV pull their figure out and release their own. Or (my
> personal preference for obvious reasons (hint - I'm one of the three people
> behind RS) you could just use RS - let's face it, it's all the same thing.
>
> Color me *impressed*. That's a big chunk of work. Go, you and your
comrades! And what a win for the freeware and open source communities. Have
you called our favorite upstream vendor about a job doing this? You could
refute my original idea that they wouldn't bother, and get paid for it!!!

Re: SL on ARM

[Andrew Z]

This sounds very interesting for my project.thank you!!!
--
Please excuse my brevity.

Nico Kadel-Garcia  wrote:

On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 4:58 AM, Gordan Bobic  wrote:

9 months ago it would have been a big undertaking. Today it would not be a big 
undertaking at all. All the hard work has already been done in RedSleeve 
(http://www.redsleeve.org). So you could just treat RS as the upstream until 
PNAELV pull their figure out and release their own. Or (my personal preference 
for obvious reasons (hint - I'm one of the three people behind RS) you could 
just use RS - let's face it, it's all the same thing.

Color me *impressed*. That's a big chunk of work. Go, you and your comrades! 
And what a win for the freeware and open source communities. Have you called 
our favorite upstream vendor about a job doing this? You could refute my 
original idea that they wouldn't bother, and get paid for it!!! 

Re: SL on ARM

[Nico Kadel-Garcia]

On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Gordan Bobic  wrote:

> On 09/06/2012 15:01, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 4:58 AM, Gordan Bobic > > wrote:
>>
>>9 months ago it would have been a big undertaking. Today it would
>>not be a big undertaking at all. All the hard work has already been
>>done in RedSleeve (http://www.redsleeve.org). So you could just
>>treat RS as the upstream until PNAELV pull their figure out and
>>release their own. Or (my personal preference for obvious reasons
>>(hint - I'm one of the three people behind RS) you could just use RS
>>- let's face it, it's all the same thing.
>>
>> Color me *impressed*. That's a big chunk of work. Go, you and your
>> comrades! And what a win for the freeware and open source
>> communities. Have you called our favorite upstream vendor about a job
>> doing this? You could refute my original idea that they wouldn't bother,
>> and get paid for it!!!
>>
>
> I doubt I'm very popular with them for creating a situation where the
> clone beat the upstream to a port. :)
>
> Gordan
>

I sincerely doubt you're unpopular: they're deeply involved in the freeware
and open source worlds, and they play pretty nicely with freeware
publishers. Since you're following the rules and playing nicely, and many
if not all of their personnel are very clear in their support of freeware
and open source tools.

Re: SL on ARM

[Christopher Tooley]

On 2012-06-08, at 10:27 PM, Mark Rousell wrote:
> On 26/03/2012 19:33, Konstantin Olchanski wrote:
>> "no-one received", "online videos", "founders are demonstrating", "preorder 
>> now" and "available soon" is the definition of vaporware.
>> 
>> One official vendor is:
>> http://www.element14.com/community/groups/raspberry-pi
>> read forum postings observe promised shipping dates in May-June.
>> 
>> Bottom line is I cannot buy it, you cannot buy it. (For "buy" == it's in my 
>> hands. Not some promise to mail it to me later).
>> 
>> K.O.
> 
> Just to update this, the Raspberry Pi is real and is now shipping. You
> can now buy it and receive it in your hands.
> 
> It looks likely to spawn a new generation of ARM-based devices in the
> same price range. I would have thought that such devices would be an
> ideal target for SL.
> 
> -- 
> MarkR
> 
> PGP public key: http://www.signal100.com/markr/pgp
> Key ID: C9C5C162

Further update:

I have a Raspberry Pi in my grubby little paws right now - so, yeah, definitely 
not vaporware ;)

-Chris

Re: SL on ARM

[Alan Bartlett]

On 28 June 2012 22:31, Christopher Tooley  wrote:
>
> Further update:
>
> I have a Raspberry Pi in my grubby little paws right now - so, yeah, 
> definitely not vaporware ;)
>
> -Chris

You're not the only one. I received mine today. :)

Alan.

Re: SL on ARM

[Clint Bowman]

So...how well does SL run on them?

You mean you haven't tried yet?

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On Thu, 28 Jun 2012, Alan Bartlett wrote:


On 28 June 2012 22:31, Christopher Tooley  wrote:


Further update:

I have a Raspberry Pi in my grubby little paws right now - so, yeah, definitely 
not vaporware ;)

-Chris


You're not the only one. I received mine today. :)

Alan.