Re: [scifinoir2] Stargate SG-1 cancelled, Atlantis renewed
Ben Browder just can't catch a break. All of this has raised a question for me. Who exactly HAS been watching SG-1 all these years? It looks like none of US have, and Sci-Fi was probably counting on our types to support the show. It just seems like science fiction either needs to get smarter or leave TV altogether. I wonder what would happen if Odyssey 5 ran this fall. Would anyone watch it? From what I saw of SG-1, it was very silly most of the time. If you've seen seasons 1-3, you've seen the show. But then again, I hated Voyager. And look at the sci-fi movies that are selling a lot of tickets. All dumb. But nobody's watching the dumb TV shows anymore. What exactly DO people wanna watch? Is it time for purist science fiction? On Aug 22, 2006, at 6:39 PM, Martin Pratt wrote: Sunny, apologies. The hotlink didn't come through on your post. I've got a friend in Canada who won't be happy over this at all. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's interesting because the last couple of seasons have been better than most that came before. I've never been a big fan of SG-1. There's dozens of shows I've never seen. I just use it as a decent scifi show to bide me over if there's nothing else on TV. One reason I never liked the show much was the numbing sameness of everything: all the planets look alike, with the same flora and fauna, every damn village is the same design, down to the mud thatch huts and rags-wearing peasants (who are usually white, unless they're evil G'ould soldiers). The storylines have been overwhelmingly forgetable, with the rare exceptions of arcs involving the G'ould or the Ancients. I was also sick to death of Richard Dean Anderson's dry wit schtick. It seemed like such an assembly line show I never understood how it lasted. But once several storylines were tackled--the G'ould defeated, T'ealc's people ! free, Daniel confronting the Ancients--it got a little more interesting. Richard dean Anderson leaving, being replaced by Ben Browder, was a good move. *Love* the addition of Claudia Black. The Ori storyline's a bit slow at times, but the show has felt regenerated. It's no longer as predictable. Couple that with the fact that the SG-1/Atlantis casts have moved from show to show a bit (thanks to the Daedalus starship and the increased gate capacity to reach the Pegasus galaxy) and i've been enjoying both shows. Hmm...interesting. So just when I feel the shows are fresher, a little more creative and original, the fans seem to have gotten bored with them and back off? That's a scary line of thought, but could it be the unflinching predictability and safeness of SG-1 is what people liked, or has the show simply been on so long it's lost some of its audience? Whatever, i think cancelling it now is a bad idea. They should do one more full season to bring things to a conclusion, such as the Ori/Ancient struggle, the Trust, and will O'Neill and Samantha Carter *finally* hook up?! -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the link: http://www.gateworld.net/news/2006/08/ istargate_sg-1i_cancelled_iatlan.shtml [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Excuse me while I whip this out. Cleavon Little , Blazing Saddles - Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [scifinoir2] Stargate SG-1 cancelled, Atlantis renewed
Once more, because I haven't said in many centuries, I do not buy for a second the concept of the Nielsens. I have a friend who, when we were in college together, had a Nielsen box, and never turned on his TV. One of the last times I bothered to watch Oprah, just to carbon-date myself, she had Richard Grieco on, just after Fox announced the cancellation of Booker. According to Fox's own statement, their analysis of the Nielsen ratings for the show suggested that fewer than 200 people were watching the show. At the time, Oprah had about four hundred screaming teeny-boppers in her audience, all of whom vocally declared that they watched it regularly. I refuse to believe any numbers that Nielsen puts out, because I know enough math to be able to topple any conclusion you hand me. I could've probably even put Pat Buchanan in the White House back in '00. SciFi, just have the stones to tell us the truth. You didn't want to shell out the money to keep the show running, because you want to give us more Mansquito and the E show. Don't jack us around. Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ben Browder just can't catch a break. All of this has raised a question for me. Who exactly HAS been watching SG-1 all these years? It looks like none of US have, and Sci-Fi was probably counting on our types to support the show. It just seems like science fiction either needs to get smarter or leave TV altogether. I wonder what would happen if Odyssey 5 ran this fall. Would anyone watch it? From what I saw of SG-1, it was very silly most of the time. If you've seen seasons 1-3, you've seen the show. But then again, I hated Voyager. And look at the sci-fi movies that are selling a lot of tickets. All dumb. But nobody's watching the dumb TV shows anymore. What exactly DO people wanna watch? Is it time for purist science fiction? On Aug 22, 2006, at 6:39 PM, Martin Pratt wrote: Sunny, apologies. The hotlink didn't come through on your post. I've got a friend in Canada who won't be happy over this at all. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's interesting because the last couple of seasons have been better than most that came before. I've never been a big fan of SG-1. There's dozens of shows I've never seen. I just use it as a decent scifi show to bide me over if there's nothing else on TV. One reason I never liked the show much was the numbing sameness of everything: all the planets look alike, with the same flora and fauna, every damn village is the same design, down to the mud thatch huts and rags-wearing peasants (who are usually white, unless they're evil G'ould soldiers). The storylines have been overwhelmingly forgetable, with the rare exceptions of arcs involving the G'ould or the Ancients. I was also sick to death of Richard Dean Anderson's dry wit schtick. It seemed like such an assembly line show I never understood how it lasted. But once several storylines were tackled--the G'ould defeated, T'ealc's people ! free, Daniel confronting the Ancients--it got a little more interesting. Richard dean Anderson leaving, being replaced by Ben Browder, was a good move. *Love* the addition of Claudia Black. The Ori storyline's a bit slow at times, but the show has felt regenerated. It's no longer as predictable. Couple that with the fact that the SG-1/Atlantis casts have moved from show to show a bit (thanks to the Daedalus starship and the increased gate capacity to reach the Pegasus galaxy) and i've been enjoying both shows. Hmm...interesting. So just when I feel the shows are fresher, a little more creative and original, the fans seem to have gotten bored with them and back off? That's a scary line of thought, but could it be the unflinching predictability and safeness of SG-1 is what people liked, or has the show simply been on so long it's lost some of its audience? Whatever, i think cancelling it now is a bad idea. They should do one more full season to bring things to a conclusion, such as the Ori/Ancient struggle, the Trust, and will O'Neill and Samantha Carter *finally* hook up?! -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the link: http://www.gateworld.net/news/2006/08/ istargate_sg-1i_cancelled_iatlan.shtml [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Excuse me while I whip this out. Cleavon Little , Blazing Saddles - Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Excuse me while I whip this out. Cleavon Little , Blazing Saddles __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To
[scifinoir2] Survivor to Divide Teams by Race
The United States is one of the most ethnically diverse countries in the world. Despite the fact the numerous studies have proven that diversity enhances the productivity of teams. Survivor has opted to embrace our country's weaknesses by setting up ethnically segregated teams Survivor: Cook Islands castaways Photo by: Monty Brinton / CBSSurvivor to Divide Teams by Race http://people.aol.com/people/article/0,26334,1304035,00.html Fueled by critics who slammed its lack of diversity, CBS's Survivor has unveiled a new twist for its upcoming season: Contestants will be divided by ethnicity. When it premieres Sept. 14, Survivor: Cook Islands will feature 20 castaways divided into four tribes: black, white, Asian and Latino. We're going to take some heat for it, says creator and executive producer Mark Burnett of the twist, which was announced Wednesday morning. But it's a great cast. For a show entering its 13th season with steady ratings but ebbing buzz, the decision could be a shot in the arm if it once again generates Survivor water-cooler chatter. Some people will think this is controversial. Others will think, 'What's the big deal?' host Jeff Probst tells PEOPLE. Either way, it's going to be very interesting. Along with the usual real-estate agents and struggling actors, the cast of characters competing for the $1 million purse includes a heavy-metal guitarist, a female police officer who has been shot in the line of duty, a Vietnam War refugee who manages a nail salon and a gay fashion director for a denim company. The segregated Survivor grew from an effort to diversify a show that has featured primarily white contestants (and winners ÃÂ only two of the 12 winners have been minorities). We've taken a lot of flack, says Burnett. But Probst says the main reason for the Emmy-winning show's largely white complexion was a dearth of minority applicants. Most of the people who apply are white, he says. That's just a fact. In response, the Survivor casting team scouted for a more diverse group of players everywhere from the Internet to audition tapes for another CBS show, The Amazing Race. Until the tribes merge later in the season, the four teams will battle each other and, perhaps, racial stereotypes. There are going to be people looking for stereotypes: Will this tribe be smarter than this tribe, or will this tribe be faster than this tribe? says Probst. That's why I think it's fun. But five people on a tribe do not represent an entire ethnic group. Set in New Zealand's Cook Islands, the location of the famous mutiny on the HMS Bounty, this season features a pirate theme, including Tribal Councils held on an elaborate shipwreck set built into the rocky coastline of a local island. Whether one ethnicity ends up plundering ÃÂ or walking the plank ÃÂThis is a game that starts very even, says Probst. Everybody starts the same way with the same materials and the same chance: a 1-in-20 shot at a million bucks. Tracey de Morsella The Multicultural Advantage Phone: 305-407-3803 Email: tdemorsella AT multiculturaladvantage.com Publisher of The Diversity Recruitment Advertising Toolkit http://www.multiculturaladvantage.com/store/ Diversity Staffing Center http://www.multiculturaladvantage.com/recruit/ View The Diversity Advantage Blog at: http://www.multiculturaladvantage.net/diversity/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] [Fwd: BIN LADEN HAS CRUSH ON WHITNEY HOUSTON]
BIN LADEN HAS CRUSH ON WHITNEY HOUSTON: Terrorist's former sex slave says he also wanted to get rid of Bobby Brown. (August 22, 2006) *President Bush may have just found the perfect bait to draw Osama Bin Laden out of hiding that is, if the bait wasn't in hiding herself. A Sudanese poet who claims she was once a sex slave for Bin Laden states in her new book that the terrorist was completely obsessed with Whitney Houston, and once even contemplated killing her husband, Bobby Brown. He told me Whitney Houston was the most beautiful woman he'd ever seen, writes Kola Boof, 37, in her autobiography, Diary of a Lost Girl, which is excerpted in the September issue of Harper's magazine. He said that he had a paramount desire for her and although he claimed music was evil, he spoke of someday spending vast amounts of money to go to America and try to arrange a meeting. Boof said Bin Laden even thought of bringing the superstar to Sudan. He said he wanted to give [her] a mansion that he owned in a suburb of Khartoum. He explained to me that to possess Whitney, he would be willing to break his color rule and make her one of his wives, Boof writes in the book. [He would say] how beautiful she is, what a nice smile she has, how truly Islamic she is but is just brainwashed by American culture and by her husband - Bobby Brown, whom Osama talked about having killed, as if it were normal to have womens' husbands killed. In his briefcase, I would come across photographs of the Star [magazine], as well as copies of Playboy. It would soon come to the point where I was sick of hearing Whitney Houston's name, Boof writes. Despite his devotion to Houston, Bin Laden completely dismisses women of African descent, according to Boof. She quotes him as telling her, African women are only good for a man's lower pleasures. What need do you have for a womb? Stating further issues with her braided hair, she said he stated that only monkeys did that. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: Survivor to Divide Teams by Race
Why? Why? Why? Oh yeah, I forgot: ratings... What a joke of an idea.. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The United States is one of the most ethnically diverse countries in the world. Despite the fact the numerous studies have proven that diversity enhances the productivity of teams. Survivor has opted to embrace our country's weaknesses by setting up ethnically segregated teams Survivor: Cook Islands castaways Photo by: Monty Brinton / CBSSurvivor to Divide Teams by Race http://people.aol.com/people/article/0,26334,1304035,00.html Fueled by critics who slammed its lack of diversity, CBS's Survivor has unveiled a new twist for its upcoming season: Contestants will be divided by ethnicity. When it premieres Sept. 14, Survivor: Cook Islands will feature 20 castaways divided into four tribes: black, white, Asian and Latino. We're going to take some heat for it, says creator and executive producer Mark Burnett of the twist, which was announced Wednesday morning. But it's a great cast. For a show entering its 13th season with steady ratings but ebbing buzz, the decision could be a shot in the arm if it once again generates Survivor water-cooler chatter. Some people will think this is controversial. Others will think, 'What's the big deal?' host Jeff Probst tells PEOPLE. Either way, it's going to be very interesting. Along with the usual real-estate agents and struggling actors, the cast of characters competing for the $1 million purse includes a heavy- metal guitarist, a female police officer who has been shot in the line of duty, a Vietnam War refugee who manages a nail salon and a gay fashion director for a denim company. The segregated Survivor grew from an effort to diversify a show that has featured primarily white contestants (and winners ÃÂÃÂ only two of the 12 winners have been minorities). We've taken a lot of flack, says Burnett. But Probst says the main reason for the Emmy-winning show's largely white complexion was a dearth of minority applicants. Most of the people who apply are white, he says. That's just a fact. In response, the Survivor casting team scouted for a more diverse group of players everywhere from the Internet to audition tapes for another CBS show, The Amazing Race. Until the tribes merge later in the season, the four teams will battle each other and, perhaps, racial stereotypes. There are going to be people looking for stereotypes: Will this tribe be smarter than this tribe, or will this tribe be faster than this tribe? says Probst. That's why I think it's fun. But five people on a tribe do not represent an entire ethnic group. Set in New Zealand's Cook Islands, the location of the famous mutiny on the HMS Bounty, this season features a pirate theme, including Tribal Councils held on an elaborate shipwreck set built into the rocky coastline of a local island. Whether one ethnicity ends up plundering ÃÂÃÂ or walking the plank ÃÂÃÂThis is a game that starts very even, says Probst. Everybody starts the same way with the same materials and the same chance: a 1-in-20 shot at a million bucks. Tracey de Morsella The Multicultural Advantage Phone: 305-407-3803 Email: tdemorsella AT multiculturaladvantage.com Publisher of The Diversity Recruitment Advertising Toolkit http://www.multiculturaladvantage.com/store/ Diversity Staffing Center http://www.multiculturaladvantage.com/recruit/ View The Diversity Advantage Blog at: http://www.multiculturaladvantage.net/diversity/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: Black hero has race changed in 911 movie]
This woould be a good time to make a film on one of the black
firefighters that lost his life...
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There are now only 312 Black firefighters in the New York City Fire
Department out of a total force of 11,350. They make up 2.7% of the
fire department, in a city where 24.5% of the population is Black
and
nearly 50% is minority. The fire department is the city's least
diverse municipal work force. Twelve Black firefighters gave their
lives along with 332 other emergency personnel in the World Trade
Center tragedy.
Anyway, here's the link you asked for:
http://www.pww.org/index.php/article/view/490/1/50/
The horrible events of 9/11 brought people together. But now there
is
an effort to destroy that unity. The statue planned to commemorate
firefighters lost at the World Trade Center has generated much
controversy and some thoughtful discussion.
Should the monument depict a team, made up of an African American, a
Latino, and a white firefighter raising the U.S. flag, as proposed
by
the artists? Or should it show three white firefighters, as in the
news photograph of the World Trade Center flag-raising which
suggested it?
-- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, KeithBJohnson@ wrote:
Are you trying to tell me that the NYC firefighters actually
claimed
that *none* of the hundreds of firefighters on the scenes were
Black??? That can't be possible. What about all the cops, Port
Authority, transportation cops pressed into service, medics,
doctors,
etc? Got any links to this particular bit of info?
-- Original message --
From: ravenadal ravenadal@
I find this interesting in light of all the flack the city of NYC
took
from NY firefighters when the city proposed erecting a 911
monument
with one of the memorialized firefighters being black. The
firefighters were adamant that since none of the 911 heros were
black
this would be the worse form of politcial correctness.
~(no)rave!
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella (formerly
Tracey L. Minor) tdlists@ wrote:
Original Message
Subject: [AFAMHED] Black hero has race changed in 911 movie
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 13:16:34 -0400
From: Boyce Watkins - Syracuse Finance bwatkins@
Reply-To: Boyce Watkins - Syracuse Finance bwatkins@
To: AFAMHED@
'WTC' casting error draws flak from African-Americans
Wednesday, August 16, 2006
By L.A. Johnson, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06228/713723-254.stm
A hero of another color in Oliver Stone's World Trade Center
has
some
people again balking at the whitewashing of a black character
in a
Hollywood film.
http://www.post-gazette.com/popup.asp?img=http://www.post-
gazette.com/images4/20060815ap_wtchero_450.jpg
Bebeto Matthews/The Associated Press
*Jason Thomas of Columbus, Ohio, helped rescue Port Authority
police
officers John McLoughlin and Will Jimeno on 9/11. In Oliver
Stone's
movie, World Trade Center, a white actor was cast to portray
Thomas. **
Click photo for larger image.*
This time it's the character of Marine Sgt. Thomas, one of two
former
Marines who help rescue New York Port Authority Officers Will
Jimeno
and
John McLoughlin from beneath 20 feet of twisted metal, broken
concrete
and sparking debris in the aftermath of the Sept. 11 attacks.
In the film, white actor William Mapother -- who's Tom Cruise's
cousin
and who played Ethan Rom in the first season of Lost and
Quecreek
miner John Flathead Phillippi in ABC's The Pennsylvania
Miners'
Story -- plays Sgt. Thomas.
Last week, the real Sgt. Thomas -- a black, former Marine named
Jason
Thomas of Columbus, Ohio -- came forward and told his story.
Someone needed help. It didn't matter who, Thomas told the
Associated
Press. I didn't even have a plan. But I have all this training
as a
Marine, and all I could think was, 'My city is in need.'
So, instead of heading to class at the John Jay College of
Criminal
Justice at City University of New York that fateful morning, he
headed
toward the devastation. At ground zero, he ran into another ex-
Marine
and Connecticut accountant, Staff Sgt. David Karnes, and the two
decided
to search for survivors. Eventually they found Jimeno and
McLoughlin.
Karnes, who couldn't reach Manhattan's 911 from his cell phone
at
ground
zero, called his sister in Munhall, Joy Karnes. She helped
relay
information to New York emergency services that helped them
pinpoint
the
trapped men's location.
Film producer Michael Shamberg apologized to Thomas for the
racial
inaccuracy in the film, saying they realized the mistake only
after
production had already begun, the Associated Press reported.
That apology comes a
