[scifinoir2] [Fwd: [Blackfolks] The Bourne Ultimatum Preview]

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

For those who, like me, can't get enough of Jason Bourne... 
 
http://www.channel4.com/film/reviews/film.jsp?id=161524&page= 



The Bourne Ultimatum Preview


  Matt Damon returns for Jason Bourne's third - and possibly final -
  big-screen adventure

Matt Damon is appearing in more films than ever. Having appeared in 
Scorsese's *The Departed* and starred in Robert De Niro-directed CIA 
epic *The Good Shepherd*, a change of pace comes with *Margaret*, in 
which Damon plays second fiddle to Anna Paquin, a survivor of a bus 
crash, while *Ocean's Thirteen* promises to be more dumb but audacious 
robbery fun.


But the film we're all dying to see is *The Bourne Ultimatum*. As for 
the story, the studio is keeping it under wraps. And, if Damon is to be 
believed, there's no point leafing through Robert Ludlum's source novel.

"If you have any ideas for a script, please, call Universal!" Damon 
joked to US reporters earlier in the year. "We've gone so far from the 
book. Robert Ludlum wrote it as a trilogy and we've really kind-of 
ignored that plot because it's very Cold War. And so in the updating 
process we kind-of threw out most of what he had so we're kind of on our 
own to find a third one."

The few details to have emerged are scant. As with the previous films - 
*The Bourne Identity* (2002) and *The Bourne Supremacy* (2004) - Damon's 
amnesiac assassin follows a twisted trail that's the espionage 
equivalent of a world tour: Moscow, Paris, Madrid, London, Tangiers, New 
York City. Audiences could be in danger of becoming travel-weary - like 
a jaded rock star who has to check the back of his guitar to remember 
where he's gigging tonight.

While this location fatigue did threaten to spoil the first two 
instalments, both were saved by inspired direction from Doug Liman 
(*Identity*) and the UK's Paul Greengrass (*Supremacy*). Fans of the 
franchise will be delighted to hear that Greengrass, flying high (so the 
speak) after critical hit *United 93*, returns for Bourne's third 
adventure.

Speaking to 'World Entertainment Network', Greengrass was on effusive 
form. "It's going to have all the excitement you'd expect from a Bourne 
film and all the intensity you'd expect from a Bourne story. I can't 
wait - it's just going to be fucking fantastic. It's going to rock! 
That's honestly what it's going to do. What direction? We'll have a 
better car chase, have more exciting action, more intensity and just 
generally be a fucking classy film. I think Matt Damon's looking forward 
to it like I am. It's going to be an absolute laugh."

Judging by the trailer, it looks like Greengrass has delivered once 
again. But what sets the Bourne movies apart from more run-of-the-mill 
actioners is its strong characterisation and top-flight acting talent. 
Once again, Julia Stiles is on hand as prim but sexy CIA agent Nicky, 
but it's a newcomer to the franchise that's got film fans excited. Paddy 
Considine, one of the best British actors of his generation, plays the 
investigative journalist who lures Bourne out of hiding and agrees to 
help him track down his true identity.

That Bourne ultimately succeeds in his mission is one of the few things 
we can be sure of, courtesy of blabbermouth Damon. "His search for 
identity is definitely going to come to an end," he told 'About.com', 
before musing that he doubted Bourne could "ever be happy."

So, if Bourne's quest finally reaches a conclusion, does that mean we 
won't be seeing a fourth movie? "We have a story to tell," Damon 
continues. "But looking at it, to be fair, we go, 'Okay, I think this 
should be the last one.' I'm half joking, but how long can you [last]? I 
don't know how long we can ride that pony. I'd like to think - maybe 
he'll get a bump on the head at the end or something."

This being Hollywood, Damon's flip remark might just come true.





 
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Re: [scifinoir2] EW's "The SciFi 25" Needs Work

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

I'm Sorry. Putting down Galaxy Quest is fightin' words. I LOVE that 
movie. I watch it at least once a year and the laughs keep coming. 
That's a sequel I could get behind.

Tracey

Martin wrote:
>
> rave, re the newest SW flicks in comparison to "Galaxy Quest" and 
> "Starship Troopers"- I would put "GQ" above them easily (*not* owing 
> to my well-versed loathing of all flicks Lucasian). "Starship 
> Troopers", I'm on the fence about. I wasn't at all happy with the 
> adaptation that H'Wood made of Heinlein's novel (also well-known that 
> I'm never fond of *any* H'Wood adaptation), and it was entertaining 
> enough, but it just didn't stick with me.
>
> Re #3- hay-ull, naw, pard. I considered that comedy. *Light* comedy.
>
> Re #7- NO.
>
> Re #8 & 9- YES.
>
> Re #11- see "Re #7".
>
> Re #12- see "Re #8 & 9".
>
> ravenadal <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art1525.asp 
> 
>
> EW's "The SciFi 25" Needs Work
>
> Guest Author - Helen A. Lee
>
> Entertainment Weekly is just asking for a bruising by coming out with
> a list like this one: "The Sci-Fi 25" purports to list the top 25
> movies and TV from the last 25 years (see Related Links at the bottom
> of this page if you haven't read it yet). Where do I even start?
>
> 1. I'm going to quibble with the methodology and say that in 10 years,
> a list like this should not be complete without video games and
> possibly comic books on it. Tell me that Halo and its Master Chief do
> not deserve to be on this list. What about animated TV shows? The list
> includes only "Futurama" and "Star Wars: Clone Wars," but come on.
> "Futurama" was kinda cute, but "Robotech" was fabulous.
>
> 2. Secondly, I'm going to say there are at least two glaring omissions
> on this list that I can think of, just off the top of my head. The
> first is "Babylon 5." How can you leave this show out of any top list
> of scifi events? And "Return of the Jedi." Granted, it was probably
> the weakest of the original trilogy, but it still deserves to be up
> there. And the newer "Star Wars" films didn't even rate above "Galaxy
> Quest" and "Starship Troopers"? You're kidding me.
>
> 3. There's some pretty iffy scifi on there. Can anyone who's actually
> seen the movie tell me if "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind"
> really counts as scifi?
>
> 4. The top two simply are not right. "The Matrix" does not deserve the
> top spot, though it does deserve to be on the list. The new
> "Battlestar Galactica" is wonderful, but number two over the last 25
> years?
>
> 5. Did I mention that "Galaxy Quest" and "Starship Troopers" are among
> the top 25? Why? I enjoyed both these films, but considered them
> throwaways. And if you look at all the scifi from the last quarter
> century—please.
>
> 6. I actually liked "Terminator 3." So there.
>
> 7. "Star Trek: The Next Generation" deserved to be higher than number
> 8, in my opinion.
>
> 8. "Firefly/Serenity" deserved to be higher than number 15.
>
> 9. Putting "Doctor Who" at 23 is an absolute crime. We're talking
> about a show that spans decades here.
>
> 10. I think I'd have put in "Trekkies" instead of "Galaxy Quest,"
> since the list seems determined to slip in some parody/satire (see
> "Futurama" and "Galaxy Quest").
>
> 11. Surely "Star Trek IV" and "Star Trek VI" deserve a little
> recognition here?
>
> 12. If you're going to include "Heroes," shouldn't you open up the
> list to other superhero offerings? I admit this might be a bit
> unwieldy. Still, I think the "Spiderman" movies and possibly "Batman
> Begins" deserve a nod.
>
> I know most of you other scifi fans must have other problems with the
> list. Or perhaps you'd like to defend EW? Tell me what you think!
>
> UPDATE 5/17/07: EW Issues Viewer's Choice Scifi Top 25
>
> Entertainment Weekly has issued "Space Bawls," after getting over
> 1,000 comments about their choices for Top 25 of the past 25 years. I
> will say I totally agree with the reader who wrote that "Heroes,"
> "Lost" to some extent "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" are fantasy and not
> scifi shows that EW has given disproportionate coverage to over the
> years (don't get me wrong, I like them all). I disagree that
> "Independence Day" should have been included or "12 Monkeys" and "The
> Fifth Element," (all fine films, but not top 25 material in my book),
> but kudos to everyone for calling EW on "Stargate SG-1," "Farscape,"
> and "Donnie Darko." And "Ghost in the Shell" and "Akira." I still
> can't believe they left out "Babylon 5" the first time.
>
> I still believe they should have split the list separately into movies
> and TV or, alternately, included video games and comics (if they're
> going to include superhero fantasy anyway)—the last 25 years wouldn't
> have been complete without the marriage of Spiderman and MJ, the
> deaths of Superman and Captain America, or the debut of the Master
> Chief. For the new list, 

[scifinoir2] SciFiNoir Roll Call

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5. Favorite Speculative Fiction Genres: Science/Speculative Fiction
and Mystery.
6. Favorite Speculative Fiction TV Shows (canceled shows ok): 
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Re: [scifinoir2] New ads for Prester John Beer and Go-Joe Cola

[Martin]

That, sir, is some fine work. I'm ashamed to say that I've never ventured 
within your site before today. I'll rectify that error frequently.

ravenadal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  If you haven't done so, already, 
please check out my new ads for
Prester John Beer http://theworldebon.com/prester_john_beer.htm and
Go-Joe Cola
http://www.theworldebon.com/Go-Joe%20Cola.htm

The Prester John ads are an homage to both the mythical African king
and Ben Franklin.

The Go-Joe Cola ads are an homage to Edward F. Boyd and Joe Gilliam, Jr.

~rave!



 


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Re: [scifinoir2] [Timewaster] WoW Moviewatch: So that's where that dance came

[Brent Wodehouse]

I live to serve. :-)


Brent


Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>Thank you, Brent, for the wonderful end to a great day.
>
>Brent Wodehouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
>http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/05/25/wow-moviewatch-so-thats-where-that-dance-came-from/

Re: [scifinoir2] [Timewaster] WoW Moviewatch: So that's where that dance came from!

[Martin]

Thank you, Brent, for the wonderful end to a great day.

Brent Wodehouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  
http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/05/25/wow-moviewatch-so-thats-where-that-dance-came-from/



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[scifinoir2] [Timewaster] WoW Moviewatch: So that's where that dance came from!

[Brent Wodehouse]

http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/05/25/wow-moviewatch-so-thats-where-that-dance-came-from/

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[scifinoir2] Fw:OT: Help Kick Off Cheney IMPEACHMENT Summer

[Amy]

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>
> Dear Friends and Activists,
>
> In this alert we will propose a plan of action, which if we execute it 
> faithfully, WILL result in the impeachment of Vice President Cheney by the 
> end of the summer.  So please read on, we think this is VERY important 
> strategic stuff.
>
> But first we want to let you know that thanks to your kind donations, and 
> following your suggestions, we were able to run blog ad action buttons for 
> the National Cheney Impeachment Poll (with now more than 55,000 
> submissions) in 8 more progressive blogs this week, TalkingPointsMemo, 
> FireDogLake, BartCop, TheSmirkingChimp, CliffSchecter, onegoodmove, 
> Pandagon and TheCarpetbaggerReport.  We want to add CrooksAndLiars among 
> others to the movement this coming week, and DailyKos (which also got many 
> mentions from you) the week after that if you will keep the donations 
> coming, and we know you will.
>
> DONATIONS PAGE: http://www.usalone.com/donations.php
>
> And especially if you have other ideas, please email to us as we are 
> making the ad buying decisions based on your input.
>
> Memorial Day is the traditional kickoff to the summer season, and we are 
> planning a kickoff of the biggest impeachment initiative ever.  More and 
> more people have begun to realize that the core problem with Congress is 
> getting them to actually CONFRONT the Cheney administration.
>
> That's right, we said the Cheney administration.  Whether even he knows it 
> or not, Bush has made no actual decisions since he was first installed. 
> And if it weren't for the talking points they give him to rehearse, he 
> would not be able to complete a logical sentence in English in public.  He 
> can barely do that as it is.
>
> At the same time we recognize, and as demonstrated by the vote on the Iraq 
> supplemental capitulation, that about half the Democratic members of 
> Congress and most of the Republicans are basically throwaways in terms of 
> actually standing up for we the people.  And we are even now hearing 
> widespread talk of primary challenges on the basis of this one vote alone.
>
> Indeed, if we can get them to understand that the people will no longer 
> buy their shuck and jive then any policy change is possible.  So primary 
> challenges will be the first and fastest way to let them know that their 
> failure to act represents real political career jeopardy for them.
>
> Our experience in the last election cycle teaches us that nothing is more 
> important in winning an election campaign, whether in a primary or a 
> general election, than having organized boots on the ground.  With enough 
> warm bodies in place whatever money is needed will come.  Regardless of 
> what else we do we need to spend the next 6 months building a cadre of 
> seasoned canvassers, the core of a volunteer activist campaign oriented 
> base.  And we have an incredible opportunity to use the National Cheney 
> Impeachment Poll as a vehicle to do just that.
>
> IMPEACHMENT POLL SIGN UP SHEET:  http://www.usalone.com/votesheet.pdf
>
> If each one of the people who has ALREADY submitted a vote in the National 
> Cheney Impeachment Poll were to print out just one of the vote sheets 
> above, and collect just 20 votes from their friends and neighbors, we'd be 
> over a million votes, bam, just like that.  And at the same time, those 
> who do the best job organizing this canvassing would naturally emerge as 
> the actual candidates we need to turn the tide.
>
> In short, on top of everything else, we are proposing using this vote 
> collection drive as a way to TEST DRIVE your potential as a candidate or 
> volunteer in a REAL election, and to use that opportunity to get 
> invaluable "on street" training.  Just print out some of the vote sheets 
> above, grab a clip board and some pens, and you're ready to rock.
>
> We had one volunteer in Hollywood, CA this afternoon at one of the larger 
> health food markets, and in just about an hour they filled up one of these 
> vote sheets with 20 votes.  This is going to be EASY.  All you have to do 
> is say to people, "Hello . . . will you vote in the Cheney impeachment 
> poll?", and hold up your clip board so they can see the sign up sheet.  If 
> the name Cheney catches 10% of their ears you will quickly be able to 
> engage and mobilize the people in your community who will speak out, and 
> before we know it, the base of the future will be built.
>
> No matter where you go to collect votes, you are just NOT going to find a 
> lot of people who don't think Cheney should be impeached.  Based on his 
> current approval rating (if not his impeachable crimes) there is zero 
> chance he will ever break 10% in this poll (we're currently running 99.36% 
> YES in favor of impeachment).  You can tell people we are not asking if he 
> WILL be impeached, we are asking if he should be impeached.  The most 
> important thing to remember if you are going to participate in this is
>
> ENTHUS

Re: [scifinoir2] EW's "The SciFi 25" Needs Work

[Martin]

rave, re the newest SW flicks in comparison to "Galaxy Quest" and "Starship 
Troopers"- I would put "GQ" above them easily (*not* owing to my well-versed 
loathing of all flicks Lucasian). "Starship Troopers", I'm on the fence about. 
I wasn't at all happy with the adaptation that H'Wood made of Heinlein's novel 
(also well-known that I'm never fond of *any* H'Wood adaptation), and it was 
entertaining enough, but it just didn't stick with me.
   
  Re #3- hay-ull, naw, pard. I considered that comedy. *Light* comedy.
   
  Re #7- NO.
   
  Re #8 & 9- YES.
   
  Re #11- see "Re #7".
   
  Re #12- see "Re #8 & 9".

ravenadal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art1525.asp

EW's "The SciFi 25" Needs Work

Guest Author - Helen A. Lee

Entertainment Weekly is just asking for a bruising by coming out with
a list like this one: "The Sci-Fi 25" purports to list the top 25
movies and TV from the last 25 years (see Related Links at the bottom
of this page if you haven't read it yet). Where do I even start?

1. I'm going to quibble with the methodology and say that in 10 years,
a list like this should not be complete without video games and
possibly comic books on it. Tell me that Halo and its Master Chief do
not deserve to be on this list. What about animated TV shows? The list
includes only "Futurama" and "Star Wars: Clone Wars," but come on.
"Futurama" was kinda cute, but "Robotech" was fabulous.

2. Secondly, I'm going to say there are at least two glaring omissions
on this list that I can think of, just off the top of my head. The
first is "Babylon 5." How can you leave this show out of any top list
of scifi events? And "Return of the Jedi." Granted, it was probably
the weakest of the original trilogy, but it still deserves to be up
there. And the newer "Star Wars" films didn't even rate above "Galaxy
Quest" and "Starship Troopers"? You're kidding me.

3. There's some pretty iffy scifi on there. Can anyone who's actually
seen the movie tell me if "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind"
really counts as scifi?

4. The top two simply are not right. "The Matrix" does not deserve the
top spot, though it does deserve to be on the list. The new
"Battlestar Galactica" is wonderful, but number two over the last 25
years?

5. Did I mention that "Galaxy Quest" and "Starship Troopers" are among
the top 25? Why? I enjoyed both these films, but considered them
throwaways. And if you look at all the scifi from the last quarter
century—please.

6. I actually liked "Terminator 3." So there.

7. "Star Trek: The Next Generation" deserved to be higher than number
8, in my opinion.

8. "Firefly/Serenity" deserved to be higher than number 15.

9. Putting "Doctor Who" at 23 is an absolute crime. We're talking
about a show that spans decades here.

10. I think I'd have put in "Trekkies" instead of "Galaxy Quest,"
since the list seems determined to slip in some parody/satire (see
"Futurama" and "Galaxy Quest").

11. Surely "Star Trek IV" and "Star Trek VI" deserve a little
recognition here?

12. If you're going to include "Heroes," shouldn't you open up the
list to other superhero offerings? I admit this might be a bit
unwieldy. Still, I think the "Spiderman" movies and possibly "Batman
Begins" deserve a nod.

I know most of you other scifi fans must have other problems with the
list. Or perhaps you'd like to defend EW? Tell me what you think!

UPDATE 5/17/07: EW Issues Viewer's Choice Scifi Top 25

Entertainment Weekly has issued "Space Bawls," after getting over
1,000 comments about their choices for Top 25 of the past 25 years. I
will say I totally agree with the reader who wrote that "Heroes,"
"Lost" to some extent "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" are fantasy and not
scifi shows that EW has given disproportionate coverage to over the
years (don't get me wrong, I like them all). I disagree that
"Independence Day" should have been included or "12 Monkeys" and "The
Fifth Element," (all fine films, but not top 25 material in my book),
but kudos to everyone for calling EW on "Stargate SG-1," "Farscape,"
and "Donnie Darko." And "Ghost in the Shell" and "Akira." I still
can't believe they left out "Babylon 5" the first time.

I still believe they should have split the list separately into movies
and TV or, alternately, included video games and comics (if they're
going to include superhero fantasy anyway)—the last 25 years wouldn't
have been complete without the marriage of Spiderman and MJ, the
deaths of Superman and Captain America, or the debut of the Master
Chief. For the new list, check out the links at the bottom of the page.

Related Links:
EW.com's The Sci-Fi 25
EW.com's Space Bawls



 


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Re: [scifinoir2] Movie Promotion Meets Legal Tender

[Martin]

As I've said in two other Yahoo forums, once I get my hands on one, *no amount* 
of money will make me part ways with it.

Brent Wodehouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  
http://www.gothamist.com/2007/05/25/movie_promotion.php

May 25, 2007

Movie Promotion Meets Legal Tender

We saw Spider-man take over the city for a week, now get ready for The
Silver Surfer to take over your change purse.

A deal between 20th Century Fox and Franklin Mint has landed the Marvel
superhero on the quarter. 40,000 of them, to be exact (no doubt fans will
be trying to collect these now that they're in circulation). This is all,
of course, to promote the upcoming movie, Fantastic Four: Rise of the
Silver Surfer. So pay attention to your change, if you get one - you'll
have a chance to win a 4 day/3 night trip for 4 to the June 12th world
premiere of the movie in London.

The quarters, which were delivered in customized Silver Surfer armored
trucks, have been released over the past few days, and are the first to
ever feature a contemporary movie character. And of course, they're
already selling on eBay for way more than 25 cents! So if you find one,
you may not want to take The Post's suggestion of using it to buy their
Late City Final edition!



 


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organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut, "A Man Without A 
Country"
   
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[scifinoir2] New ads for Prester John Beer and Go-Joe Cola

[ravenadal]

If you haven't done so, already, please check out my new ads for
Prester John Beer http://theworldebon.com/prester_john_beer.htm and
Go-Joe Cola
http://www.theworldebon.com/Go-Joe%20Cola.htm

The Prester John ads are an homage to both the mythical African king
and Ben Franklin.

The Go-Joe Cola ads are an homage to Edward F. Boyd and Joe Gilliam, Jr.

~rave!

[scifinoir2] Re: [SciFiNoir Lit] Carole McDonnell's "Some of Us Are Brave"

[Amy]

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I can't wait to read this book!  I've read other stories by Carole and she 
is an excellent writer!  I recemmend this sight unseen just on my previous 
experience with Carole's work.
Cheers!
Amy


The below article is a must read for aspiring writers - but especially
those of color.  I am particularly fond of the passage: "Christians
read novels to find peace in the world. They don't want to be
stressed."  I am highly amused by the unintentional hilarity of that
statement.  But, more to the point, McDonnell articulates the peculiar
limbo of being "in-between" genres that minority writers find
themselves stranded in.  Indeed, "Some of Us Are Brave," but all of us
need to be.

~rave!


http://www.thebacklist.net/index.asp

Some of Us Are Brave
By Carole McDonnell

I knew I had to be brave when the idea for my novel Wind Follower came
to me. The novel fell into genres which had much in common, but genres
which were often incompatible. Wind Follower is speculative fiction
and written by a Black author. But, it is also a Christian novel - a
rarity among Black fantasy. I wondered, could I write a book which
represented all that I am?

Traditionally, Christian fiction books have dealt with issues such as
supernatural spiritual warfare, home-spun country stories, frontier
stories, and romance. Except for the odd escaped slave, drug addict,
or black secretary, African-Americans rarely show up in Christian
fiction, and discussions of racism are avoided.

White Christian fiction and Black fiction literally deal with
different worlds. For white Christian writers, the hero's journey was
a return to the simple life of the rural Eden where the evils of the
big city (and its citizens) could no longer touch him. While the white
Christian writer trusts in the status quo, the African-American author
understands that Eden -the American Dream- has not been achieved.
Black Christian novelists mention racism and social injustice only in
passing. They have been published by Christian publishing companies
and if they wish to retain both their readers and publishers, they
accept the CBA's (Christian Booksellers Association) credo:
"Christians read novels to find peace in the world. They don't want to
be stressed."

This credo was told to me many times by Christian publishers and
agents who saw Wind Follower. Although these gatekeepers said it was
one of the best pieces of Christian fiction they had ever read,
telepathy, magic, erotic love scenes, anti-imperialism, and an
interracial love story all made the book "wrong for our demographics."
In short, if I wanted the book to be published by a company linked to
the CBA, I would have to avoid those areas commonly dealt with in
African-American fiction.

I have been a lover of African-American fiction, Christian memoir, and
speculative fiction. But these genres are literally worlds apart and
Black writers must often create an authentic niche in established
genres. A few black niches exist in publishing. One niche that has
affected much Black writings and which unfortunately still exists
today is the Slave Narrative. Works that were part biography, part
protest literature, part Christian testimony and conversion story,
Slave Narratives were also written to show the humanity of Africans,
and to show the erring white culture Christian how incompatible
slavery is with Biblical Christianity. Black fiction often touches
upon social, existential, and spiritual issues. That is to be
expected. The struggle to show the commonality of all humans and yet
try to shine a spotlight on uniquely African-American aspect was the
aim of the first slave narrative and is still the aim of most Black
writings. Wind Follower, among other things, is a slave narrative of
sorts. But the Christian publishing world was tempting me to cast off
those African-American issues which would prevent it from being
accepted by fellow Christians.

Complicating matters, I found that although many Black fantasy writers
honor folklore and magic, Black Christians didn't like speculative
fiction. Like their white counterparts, they consider magic satanic.
Some told me they didn't like "anything that's not real." Others
plainly said they "avoid reading any book with sex scenes."

When I was advised by black Christian writers that many black
Christians would not read my book, I decided to send the manuscript to
Juno Books, a secular publisher which specialized in speculative
fiction. They accepted it, but suddenly I found myself wondering if my
primary readers would be white non-Christians. And would white
speculative-fiction readers be willing to leave the Euro-centric
elves, dwarves, and Celtic ladies to which they are accustomed to read
about a non-European world?

African-American writers are creating flourishing new genres which
have inherited the burdens, and specifications of those genres, and we
are beginning to make those genres truly our own. Some of us are
Christians, some of us are speculative fiction 

[scifinoir2] Carole McDonnell's "Some of Us Are Brave"

[ravenadal]

The below article is a must read for aspiring writers - but especially
those of color.  I am particularly fond of the passage: "Christians
read novels to find peace in the world. They don't want to be
stressed."  I am highly amused by the unintentional hilarity of that
statement.  But, more to the point, McDonnell articulates the peculiar
limbo of being "in-between" genres that minority writers find
themselves stranded in.  Indeed, "Some of Us Are Brave," but all of us
need to be.

~rave!  


http://www.thebacklist.net/index.asp

Some of Us Are Brave
By Carole McDonnell

I knew I had to be brave when the idea for my novel Wind Follower came
to me. The novel fell into genres which had much in common, but genres
which were often incompatible. Wind Follower is speculative fiction
and written by a Black author. But, it is also a Christian novel – a
rarity among Black fantasy. I wondered, could I write a book which
represented all that I am?

Traditionally, Christian fiction books have dealt with issues such as
supernatural spiritual warfare, home-spun country stories, frontier
stories, and romance. Except for the odd escaped slave, drug addict,
or black secretary, African-Americans rarely show up in Christian
fiction, and discussions of racism are avoided.

White Christian fiction and Black fiction literally deal with
different worlds. For white Christian writers, the hero's journey was
a return to the simple life of the rural Eden where the evils of the
big city (and its citizens) could no longer touch him. While the white
Christian writer trusts in the status quo, the African-American author
understands that Eden –the American Dream– has not been achieved.
Black Christian novelists mention racism and social injustice only in
passing. They have been published by Christian publishing companies
and if they wish to retain both their readers and publishers, they
accept the CBA's (Christian Booksellers Association) credo:
"Christians read novels to find peace in the world. They don't want to
be stressed."

This credo was told to me many times by Christian publishers and
agents who saw Wind Follower. Although these gatekeepers said it was
one of the best pieces of Christian fiction they had ever read,
telepathy, magic, erotic love scenes, anti-imperialism, and an
interracial love story all made the book "wrong for our demographics."
In short, if I wanted the book to be published by a company linked to
the CBA, I would have to avoid those areas commonly dealt with in
African-American fiction.

I have been a lover of African-American fiction, Christian memoir, and
speculative fiction. But these genres are literally worlds apart and
Black writers must often create an authentic niche in established
genres. A few black niches exist in publishing. One niche that has
affected much Black writings and which unfortunately still exists
today is the Slave Narrative. Works that were part biography, part
protest literature, part Christian testimony and conversion story,
Slave Narratives were also written to show the humanity of Africans,
and to show the erring white culture Christian how incompatible
slavery is with Biblical Christianity. Black fiction often touches
upon social, existential, and spiritual issues. That is to be
expected. The struggle to show the commonality of all humans and yet
try to shine a spotlight on uniquely African-American aspect was the
aim of the first slave narrative and is still the aim of most Black
writings. Wind Follower, among other things, is a slave narrative of
sorts. But the Christian publishing world was tempting me to cast off
those African-American issues which would prevent it from being
accepted by fellow Christians.

Complicating matters, I found that although many Black fantasy writers
honor folklore and magic, Black Christians didn't like speculative
fiction. Like their white counterparts, they consider magic satanic.
Some told me they didn't like "anything that's not real." Others
plainly said they "avoid reading any book with sex scenes."

When I was advised by black Christian writers that many black
Christians would not read my book, I decided to send the manuscript to
Juno Books, a secular publisher which specialized in speculative
fiction. They accepted it, but suddenly I found myself wondering if my
primary readers would be white non-Christians. And would white
speculative-fiction readers be willing to leave the Euro-centric
elves, dwarves, and Celtic ladies to which they are accustomed to read
about a non-European world?

African-American writers are creating flourishing new genres which
have inherited the burdens, and specifications of those genres, and we
are beginning to make those genres truly our own. Some of us are
Christians, some of us are speculative fiction writers. But all of us
are brave.

Carole McDonnell's novel, Wind Follower, will be published by Juno
Books in June 2007.

[scifinoir2] Movie Promotion Meets Legal Tender

[Brent Wodehouse]

http://www.gothamist.com/2007/05/25/movie_promotion.php

May 25, 2007

Movie Promotion Meets Legal Tender


We saw Spider-man take over the city for a week, now get ready for The
Silver Surfer to take over your change purse.

A deal between 20th Century Fox and Franklin Mint has landed the Marvel
superhero on the quarter. 40,000 of them, to be exact (no doubt fans will
be trying to collect these now that they're in circulation). This is all,
of course, to promote the upcoming movie, Fantastic Four: Rise of the
Silver Surfer. So pay attention to your change, if you get one - you'll
have a chance to win a 4 day/3 night trip for 4 to the June 12th world
premiere of the movie in London.

The quarters, which were delivered in customized Silver Surfer armored
trucks, have been released over the past few days, and are the first to
ever feature a contemporary movie character. And of course, they're
already selling on eBay for way more than 25 cents! So if you find one,
you may not want to take The Post's suggestion of using it to buy their
Late City Final edition!

[scifinoir2] EW's "The SciFi 25" Needs Work

[ravenadal]

http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art1525.asp

EW's "The SciFi 25" Needs Work

Guest Author - Helen A. Lee

Entertainment Weekly is just asking for a bruising by coming out with
a list like this one: "The Sci-Fi 25" purports to list the top 25
movies and TV from the last 25 years (see Related Links at the bottom
of this page if you haven't read it yet). Where do I even start?

1. I'm going to quibble with the methodology and say that in 10 years,
a list like this should not be complete without video games and
possibly comic books on it. Tell me that Halo and its Master Chief do
not deserve to be on this list. What about animated TV shows? The list
includes only "Futurama" and "Star Wars: Clone Wars," but come on.
"Futurama" was kinda cute, but "Robotech" was fabulous.

2. Secondly, I'm going to say there are at least two glaring omissions
on this list that I can think of, just off the top of my head. The
first is "Babylon 5." How can you leave this show out of any top list
of scifi events? And "Return of the Jedi." Granted, it was probably
the weakest of the original trilogy, but it still deserves to be up
there. And the newer "Star Wars" films didn't even rate above "Galaxy
Quest" and "Starship Troopers"? You're kidding me.

3. There's some pretty iffy scifi on there. Can anyone who's actually
seen the movie tell me if "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind"
really counts as scifi?

4. The top two simply are not right. "The Matrix" does not deserve the
top spot, though it does deserve to be on the list. The new
"Battlestar Galactica" is wonderful, but number two over the last 25
years?

5. Did I mention that "Galaxy Quest" and "Starship Troopers" are among
the top 25? Why? I enjoyed both these films, but considered them
throwaways. And if you look at all the scifi from the last quarter
century—please.

6. I actually liked "Terminator 3." So there.

7. "Star Trek: The Next Generation" deserved to be higher than number
8, in my opinion.

8. "Firefly/Serenity" deserved to be higher than number 15.

9. Putting "Doctor Who" at 23 is an absolute crime. We're talking
about a show that spans decades here.

10. I think I'd have put in "Trekkies" instead of "Galaxy Quest,"
since the list seems determined to slip in some parody/satire (see
"Futurama" and "Galaxy Quest").

11. Surely "Star Trek IV" and "Star Trek VI" deserve a little
recognition here?

12. If you're going to include "Heroes," shouldn't you open up the
list to other superhero offerings? I admit this might be a bit
unwieldy. Still, I think the "Spiderman" movies and possibly "Batman
Begins" deserve a nod.

I know most of you other scifi fans must have other problems with the
list. Or perhaps you'd like to defend EW? Tell me what you think!

UPDATE 5/17/07: EW Issues Viewer's Choice Scifi Top 25

Entertainment Weekly has issued "Space Bawls," after getting over
1,000 comments about their choices for Top 25 of the past 25 years. I
will say I totally agree with the reader who wrote that "Heroes,"
"Lost" to some extent "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" are fantasy and not
scifi shows that EW has given disproportionate coverage to over the
years (don't get me wrong, I like them all). I disagree that
"Independence Day" should have been included or "12 Monkeys" and "The
Fifth Element," (all fine films, but not top 25 material in my book),
but kudos to everyone for calling EW on "Stargate SG-1," "Farscape,"
and "Donnie Darko." And "Ghost in the Shell" and "Akira." I still
can't believe they left out "Babylon 5" the first time.

I still believe they should have split the list separately into movies
and TV or, alternately, included video games and comics (if they're
going to include superhero fantasy anyway)—the last 25 years wouldn't
have been complete without the marriage of Spiderman and MJ, the
deaths of Superman and Captain America, or the debut of the Master
Chief. For the new list, check out the links at the bottom of the page.

Related Links:
EW.com's The Sci-Fi 25
EW.com's Space Bawls

Re: [scifinoir2] Freema Agyeman Axed From ‘Doctor Who’

[Martin]

Because very little printed in the Sun is worthy of commenting about. I'll 
stick with the notion that she's there to stay, at least until the end of this 
series. I mentioned earlier about the poster in another of my DW groups who 
hinted that she was due to be killed off. 
   
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  SPOILERS
   
  His rationale is that this seems to be the "Whale on the Doctor" series, from 
his losing Rose and the Bride to being told by a friend that he's *not* the 
Last of the Time Lords and subsequently faced with the realization that the 
other Time Lord *might* be his Best Enemy, the Master (this hasn't been 
confirmed as of yet, just ripe speculation based on the appearence of a new 
enemy this season who supposedly has *ties* to the Doctor), and that losing 
Martha, with whom he's become *very comfy* (scene in bed together!) would be 
the next whack to his psyche.

"Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  I only found the following
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2001320029-2007240235,00.html
http://www.functionpix.com/index.php/article/Freema_Agyeman__alias_Martha_Jones_is_sacked_from_DrWho/1395/

I think if it were true, it would be in more places. On the other 
hand, why did the spokesperson refuse to comment?

Tracey

Martin wrote:
>
> After running through all of my DW groups, I've found no indication 
> that Frreema's being shown anything approaching a door. One user in 
> Britain believes, based on a blurb he's seen from the last ep of this 
> series, that she might be killed off, but that's just his guess. I 
> *have*, however, found a rumor that Kylie Minogue might have been 
> offered a role in an ep. Some ambitious pap took a pic of a to-do list 
> in her car, and one line refers to a meeting she has to make with 
> Russell Davies, with the addendum, "Why hasn't the script arrived?"
>
> Martin (stil in love with Who, apologies to Phil Lynott and Gary Moore)
>
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > wrote:
> What are DW groups
>
> Tracey
>
> Martin wrote:
> >
> > If I can ever find the time, I'm going to plug into my more
> > international DW groups, see if I can get the skinny behind the
> > skinny. Might not be until tomorrow, at the rate that stuff's falling
> > into my inbox. I'll be certain to pass it on as soon as I learn it.
> >
> > "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> > > wrote: I was intended,
> > I felt anticipated relief. Hope that she was not fired.
> >
> > Tracey
> >
> > Martin wrote:
> > >
> > > Of course. In my recent spare time (HA!), I became mod of a Yahoo
> > > Doctor Who fan group, so I've been chasing this one all day. The
> > > refuting has started to wear, as you can tell. Thanks, and apologies
> > > if I offended.
> > >
> > > "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> > 
> > > > wrote: I saw something
> > > that refuted it too. But I wanted to know what you
> > > guys thought, so I posted it.
> > >
> > > Tracey
> > >
> > > Martin wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Tracey, I've seen four reports since that refute this. I'm 
> waiting for
> > > > the notice from the BBC before I believe it.
> > > >
> > > > "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> > 
> > > 
> > > > > wrote: Freema Agyeman
> > > > Axed From 
> > > > ‘Doctor
> > > >  
> Who’
> > > > BBC says performance just not strong enough
> > > > http://syfyportal.com/news423698.html 
> 
> >  >
> > >  
> >  >>
> > > >  
> >  >
> > >  
> >   > > > The following story contains possible MAJOR SPOILERS for the third
> > > > season finale of "Doctor Who."
> > > >
> > > > ItâÃÃ

Re: [scifinoir2] Freema Agyeman Axed From ‘Doctor Who’

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

Official statement from the BBC:
“It is absolute rubbish that Freema Agyeman has been axed or sacked from 
Doctor Who. However we do not comment on future storylines.”

Tracey

Martin wrote:
>
> After running through all of my DW groups, I've found no indication 
> that Frreema's being shown anything approaching a door. One user in 
> Britain believes, based on a blurb he's seen from the last ep of this 
> series, that she might be killed off, but that's just his guess. I 
> *have*, however, found a rumor that Kylie Minogue might have been 
> offered a role in an ep. Some ambitious pap took a pic of a to-do list 
> in her car, and one line refers to a meeting she has to make with 
> Russell Davies, with the addendum, "Why hasn't the script arrived?"
>
> Martin (stil in love with Who, apologies to Phil Lynott and Gary Moore)
>
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > wrote:
> What are DW groups
>
> Tracey
>
> Martin wrote:
> >
> > If I can ever find the time, I'm going to plug into my more
> > international DW groups, see if I can get the skinny behind the
> > skinny. Might not be until tomorrow, at the rate that stuff's falling
> > into my inbox. I'll be certain to pass it on as soon as I learn it.
> >
> > "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> > > wrote: I was intended,
> > I felt anticipated relief. Hope that she was not fired.
> >
> > Tracey
> >
> > Martin wrote:
> > >
> > > Of course. In my recent spare time (HA!), I became mod of a Yahoo
> > > Doctor Who fan group, so I've been chasing this one all day. The
> > > refuting has started to wear, as you can tell. Thanks, and apologies
> > > if I offended.
> > >
> > > "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> > 
> > > > wrote: I saw something
> > > that refuted it too. But I wanted to know what you
> > > guys thought, so I posted it.
> > >
> > > Tracey
> > >
> > > Martin wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Tracey, I've seen four reports since that refute this. I'm 
> waiting for
> > > > the notice from the BBC before I believe it.
> > > >
> > > > "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> > 
> > > 
> > > > > wrote: Freema Agyeman
> > > > Axed From ‘Doctor 
> Who’
> > > > BBC says performance just not strong enough
> > > > http://syfyportal.com/news423698.html 
> 
> >  >
> > >  
> >  >>
> > > >  
> >  >
> > >  
> >   > > > The following story contains possible MAJOR SPOILERS for the third
> > > > season finale of "Doctor Who."
> > > >
> > > > It’s only been eight 
> episodes since Freema
> > Agyeman (Martha
> > > Jones) took
> > > > over the role of The 
> Doctor’s companion following
> > the
> > > departure of
> > > > Billie Piper’s Rose Tyler 
> at the end of the
> > second season. But
> > > > apparently that’s all the 
> BBC needs to see.
> > > >
> > > > According to The Sun newspaper in Scotland, the show's chiefs are a
> > > > little underwhelmed by the performance Agyeman has given despite
> > > > all-round strong reviews from critics. The newspaper said the 
> BBC was
> > > > disappointed in her work in later episodes of the third season which
> > > > have yet to be broadcast in the United Kingdom, citing that
> > “her
> > > > performance is not as strong as in her earlier
> > episodes.”
> > > >
> > > > And unfortunately for Martha there 
> won’t be a
> > happy ending as,
> > > > according
> > > > to the newspaper, there is a storyline set where she will become
> > lost in
> > > > time with The Doctor unable to find her. This, of course, may ring
> > a few
> > > > bells

Re: [scifinoir2] Freema Agyeman Axed From ‘Doctor Who’

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

I only found the following
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2001320029-2007240235,00.html
http://www.functionpix.com/index.php/article/Freema_Agyeman__alias_Martha_Jones_is_sacked_from_DrWho/1395/

 I think if it were true, it would be in more places.  On the other 
hand, why did the spokesperson refuse to comment?

Tracey

Martin wrote:
>
> After running through all of my DW groups, I've found no indication 
> that Frreema's being shown anything approaching a door. One user in 
> Britain believes, based on a blurb he's seen from the last ep of this 
> series, that she might be killed off, but that's just his guess. I 
> *have*, however, found a rumor that Kylie Minogue might have been 
> offered a role in an ep. Some ambitious pap took a pic of a to-do list 
> in her car, and one line refers to a meeting she has to make with 
> Russell Davies, with the addendum, "Why hasn't the script arrived?"
>
> Martin (stil in love with Who, apologies to Phil Lynott and Gary Moore)
>
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > wrote:
> What are DW groups
>
> Tracey
>
> Martin wrote:
> >
> > If I can ever find the time, I'm going to plug into my more
> > international DW groups, see if I can get the skinny behind the
> > skinny. Might not be until tomorrow, at the rate that stuff's falling
> > into my inbox. I'll be certain to pass it on as soon as I learn it.
> >
> > "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> > > wrote: I was intended,
> > I felt anticipated relief. Hope that she was not fired.
> >
> > Tracey
> >
> > Martin wrote:
> > >
> > > Of course. In my recent spare time (HA!), I became mod of a Yahoo
> > > Doctor Who fan group, so I've been chasing this one all day. The
> > > refuting has started to wear, as you can tell. Thanks, and apologies
> > > if I offended.
> > >
> > > "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> > 
> > > > wrote: I saw something
> > > that refuted it too. But I wanted to know what you
> > > guys thought, so I posted it.
> > >
> > > Tracey
> > >
> > > Martin wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Tracey, I've seen four reports since that refute this. I'm 
> waiting for
> > > > the notice from the BBC before I believe it.
> > > >
> > > > "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> > 
> > > 
> > > > > wrote: Freema Agyeman
> > > > Axed From ‘Doctor 
> Who’
> > > > BBC says performance just not strong enough
> > > > http://syfyportal.com/news423698.html 
> 
> >  >
> > >  
> >  >>
> > > >  
> >  >
> > >  
> >   > > > The following story contains possible MAJOR SPOILERS for the third
> > > > season finale of "Doctor Who."
> > > >
> > > > It’s only been eight 
> episodes since Freema
> > Agyeman (Martha
> > > Jones) took
> > > > over the role of The 
> Doctor’s companion following
> > the
> > > departure of
> > > > Billie Piper’s Rose Tyler 
> at the end of the
> > second season. But
> > > > apparently that’s all the 
> BBC needs to see.
> > > >
> > > > According to The Sun newspaper in Scotland, the show's chiefs are a
> > > > little underwhelmed by the performance Agyeman has given despite
> > > > all-round strong reviews from critics. The newspaper said the 
> BBC was
> > > > disappointed in her work in later episodes of the third season which
> > > > have yet to be broadcast in the United Kingdom, citing that
> > “her
> > > > performance is not as strong as in her earlier
> > episodes.”
> > > >
> > > > And unfortunately for Martha there 
> won’t be a
> > happy ending as,
> > > > according
> > > > to the newspaper, there i

Re: [scifinoir2] Freema Agyeman Axed From ‘Doctor Who’

[Martin]

After running through all of my DW groups, I've found no indication that 
Frreema's being shown anything approaching a door. One user in Britain 
believes, based on a blurb he's seen from the last ep of this series, that she 
might be killed off, but that's just his guess. I *have*, however, found a 
rumor that Kylie Minogue might have been offered a role in an ep. Some 
ambitious pap took a pic of a to-do list in her car, and one line refers to a 
meeting she has to make with Russell Davies, with the addendum, "Why hasn't the 
script arrived?"
   
  Martin (stil in love with Who, apologies to Phil Lynott and Gary Moore)

"Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  What are DW groups

Tracey

Martin wrote:
>
> If I can ever find the time, I'm going to plug into my more 
> international DW groups, see if I can get the skinny behind the 
> skinny. Might not be until tomorrow, at the rate that stuff's falling 
> into my inbox. I'll be certain to pass it on as soon as I learn it.
>
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > wrote: I was intended, 
> I felt anticipated relief. Hope that she was not fired.
>
> Tracey
>
> Martin wrote:
> >
> > Of course. In my recent spare time (HA!), I became mod of a Yahoo
> > Doctor Who fan group, so I've been chasing this one all day. The
> > refuting has started to wear, as you can tell. Thanks, and apologies
> > if I offended.
> >
> > "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> > > wrote: I saw something
> > that refuted it too. But I wanted to know what you
> > guys thought, so I posted it.
> >
> > Tracey
> >
> > Martin wrote:
> > >
> > > Tracey, I've seen four reports since that refute this. I'm waiting for
> > > the notice from the BBC before I believe it.
> > >
> > > "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> > 
> > > > wrote: Freema Agyeman
> > > Axed From ‘Doctor 
> > > Who’
> > > BBC says performance just not strong enough
> > > http://syfyportal.com/news423698.html 
> 
> >  >
> > >  
> >  >>
> > > The following story contains possible MAJOR SPOILERS for the third
> > > season finale of "Doctor Who."
> > >
> > > It’s only been eight episodes since 
> > > Freema 
> Agyeman (Martha
> > Jones) took
> > > over the role of The Doctor’s 
> > > companion following 
> the
> > departure of
> > > Billie Piper’s Rose Tyler at the end 
> > > of the 
> second season. But
> > > apparently that’s all the BBC needs 
> > > to see.
> > >
> > > According to The Sun newspaper in Scotland, the show's chiefs are a
> > > little underwhelmed by the performance Agyeman has given despite
> > > all-round strong reviews from critics. The newspaper said the BBC was
> > > disappointed in her work in later episodes of the third season which
> > > have yet to be broadcast in the United Kingdom, citing that 
> “her
> > > performance is not as strong as in her earlier 
> episodes.”
> > >
> > > And unfortunately for Martha there 
> > > won’t be a 
> happy ending as,
> > > according
> > > to the newspaper, there is a storyline set where she will become 
> lost in
> > > time with The Doctor unable to find her. This, of course, may ring 
> a few
> > > bells with fans of the series who watched Rose Tyler finish with a
> > > similar fate as she becomes stranded in an alternate world 
> following the
> > > events of “Doomsday," the second season 
> > > finale of 
> the show
> > that marked
> > > Piper's departure.
> > >
> > > “Freema is very talented but we 
> don’t think she is just
> > right on
> > > ‘Doctor
> > > Who,’”
> > >  a source told the newspaper. 
> “None of this
> > is being done
> > > with any
> > > malice. Freema’s a lovely 
> > > girl.”
> > >
> > > A spokesperson for the series refused to comment o

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Freema Agyeman Axed From ‘Doctor Who’

[Martin]

It's tardis_manual, Meta. Things have been kinda slow, because most of our 
people have these things called *lives*. And we'd be glad to have you!

Meta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, 
Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Of course. In my recent spare time (HA!), I became mod of a Yahoo
Doctor Who fan group, 

Martin,

What Who group is it? I'd love to join in. My entire
family is mad for the show. We nearly had a family break
down last time the show was preempted. It the only show,
outside of The Simpsons that my children will stop
everything to watch.

Meta



 


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[scifinoir2] Re: Freema Agyeman Axed From ⠀˜Doctor Who’

[Meta]

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Of course. In my recent spare time (HA!), I became mod of a Yahoo
Doctor Who fan group, 

Martin,

What Who group is it? I'd love to join in. My entire
family is mad for the show. We nearly had a family break
down last time the show was preempted. It the only show,
outside of The Simpsons that my children will stop
everything to watch.

Meta