[scifinoir2] What are the powers of the "Heroes" charactors

[Said Kakese Dibinga]

Hello, hello, 
   
  Could someone list the powers of the characters on "Heroes"? (dead and 
alive). Especially those of the people that would be considered "main 
characters"..
   
   I don't really watch the show.
   
  Thank you all,
   
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[scifinoir2] Re: Uhuru

[Said Kakese Dibinga]

lol!

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Re: [scifinoir2] Torchwood Premier Anyone?

[Justin Mohareb]

On 9/10/07, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Anyone catch the Torchwood premier on Saturday?  What did you think?

I've seen season one.  It gets better, but is still pretty erratic.

Justin

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[scifinoir2] Torchwood Premier Anyone?

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

Anyone catch the Torchwood premier on Saturday?  What did you think?


 
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Re: [scifinoir2] sleep apnea and CPAP

[Astromancer]

Not gonna help...I need to do it on my own...BTW, I'm down to a pack every two 
days from two packs a day...

Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Maybe I need to throw in the liter 
and a half of gunk they had to drain out before they could do the actual 
removal. Roughly the color and consistency of cement with lime kool-aid mixed 
in...

Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: No, I'm an addict...

Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I don;'t know to whom Keith directed the 
cigarette comment but, whoever you may be, if you need help in quitting, I'd be 
more than happy to send you a pic of the lung they took out of me back in '96. 
According to the docs who did the surgery, it looked like the lung of someone 
who'd been a three-pack-a-day smoker for years, when in truth, the only time 
I've touched the damn things was to buy them for family members. If you don't 
quit after seeing it, you're a sadist.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dude, I understand. I sometimes talk about working out 
a great deal, but I'm no Adonis! I consider myself fit, but don't have the 
Hollywood chiseled body and six-pack. Many of my workout days are just for 
maintaining, and on some I'm lazy. Then there's that ice cream and stuff on the 
weekends. 

I would strongly suggest dropping the cigs, though. That'll be the single 
greatest thing you can do to improve everything.

-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer 
Yes, they did, but my problem is more complicated than yours (pardon me for 
jumping into you guys' convo) unless I opt for surgery (snipping from the back 
of my mouth...Ugh!!), quit smoking (working on it hard), and lose weight (I 
hate you for being 6'1" and 200lbs! Just kidding...), I'll be using the CPAP 
for a while...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thanks for the info. Don't know that I have apnea. I 
snore less now than I used too. I've never been badly overweight, but I know 
that's not the only cause. Do they suggest you sleep with your head slightly 
inclined to open your airways, or keep your neck straight?

-- Original message -- 
From: "Reece Jennings" 
Sleep Apnea is when you stop breathing when you sleep because your throat
muscles
relax. Then your brain wakes you up just enough to get you breathing again.
This cycle
continues all night. You can die. 

CPAP = Continuous Positive Air Pressure. You spend a night in a hospital
sleep center
where they measure the pressure needed to keep your throat open.

Then you're fitted with a machine that gently blows air through your nose
(nose and mouth in
some cases) and down your throat.

Here is the one I use now. I've been using a CPAP since '98. It saved my
life.

http://www.resmed.com/en-us/products/special/s8_and_mirage_swift/s8-and-mira
ge-swift.html?menu=products

The nasal headgear is very comfortable, especially compared to the Aircraft
pilot looking mask I started out with.

You would be surprised at how many people have sleep apnea. And a lot of it
has to do with being overweight.
I used to wear a 19 inch shirt. I lost almost an inch off my neck, and the
pressure needed to keep me breathing
was just reduced.

Maurice Jennings
Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure?
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From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 2:02 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Doctor Warns Consumers of Popcorn Fumes

i snore sometimes. What's CPAP?

-- Original message -- 
From: "Reece Jennings" 
yahoo.com> 
Look on the bright side, Keith. The popcorn that gets caught 
in the braces doesn't get stuck in your TON-sils! 

Mine were taken in 1970. Way too many strep infections!

Do you snore?

I did, even after that. Diagnosed with OSA (Obstructive Sleep Apnea).
I've been using a CPAP since '98. Saved my life!

Maurice Jennings
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com]
On
Behalf Of KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 12:08 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Doctor Warns Consumers of Popcorn Fumes

really?? I had no idea that anyone was still doing the skillet-pop route.
That's cool. I don't eat enough popcorn to do that. Give me some of the
deliciour caramel, butter, and cheddar cheese type from The Popcorn Factory,
and I'm an addict, but other than that, no thanks.
One problem is that the popcorn kernels and parts always get caught in my
throat, making me cough and retch. I have extremely large tonsils, about 1/2
inch each, so popcorn and stuff actually gets on them and makes me

Re: [scifinoir2] Homeland Security Adviser Dismisses bin Laden as "virtually impotent"

[Martin]

Exactly, pal!

We started this funshow, and if we walk away from it, we're "imperialist bully 
cowards" (or some such). No American will be able to walk in a foreign land 
without fear. And what little respect we still have in the world community will 
be dust.

Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   
Unfortunately, we'll do more damage if we leave Iraq now...We made a mess over 
there...if we leave now, we're asking for other countries we've made enemies of 
to screw with us...I know it doesn't make sense, but for some reason, when we 
pull out of a fight, people tend to think of us as wimps...very dumb getting 
involved in the first place, very dumb to walk away now...
 
 Bosco Bosco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Keith
 
 Isn't it possible that if you minimize the threat of Bin Laden in the
 minds of the people then you can justify increased costs of doing
 other things besides looking for him, like the Iraq war?
 
 It's some kind of Orwellian conservo mind game. I'd lay money there
 were folks behind her telling her to say it for reasons just like
 that.
 
 B
 --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 > Jesus Christ, where does Bush keep finding these idiots?? I don't
 > care if bin Laden was *only* capable of putting forth a few tapes a
 > year, he's still an ideological danger. Don't care if he's tied to
 > a dialysis machine 24/7, if he can't set foot outside his cave (or
 > compound, more likely), he can still rally the faithful who
 > subscribe to his beliefs. Doesn't this idiot lady get the root
 > causes of 9/11 and so much of the hatred America faces in the
 > world? Does she not get that pure military might is the least of
 > the obstacles we face in the world. Absolutely amazing she can make
 > such a dumba** statement 
 > 
 > *
 > 
 > Homeland Security Adviser Dismisses bin Laden as "virtually
 > impotent"
 > WASHINGTON - Seemingly taunting Osama bin Laden, President Bush's
 > homeland security adviser said Sunday the fugitive al-Qaida leader
 > is "virtually impotent" beyond his ability to hide away and spread
 > anti-American propaganda.
 > The provocative characterization came just days after bin Laden
 > attracted international attention with the release of a video in
 > which he ridicules President Bush about the Iraq war and reminds
 > the world that he not been captured.
 > Ahead of the sixth anniversary of the Sept. 11 terrorist strikes,
 > White House aide Frances Fragos Townsend made a clear attempt to
 > diminish the influence _ or the perception _ of the man who
 > masterminded those attacks.
 > "This is about the best he can do," Townsend said of bin Laden.
 > "This is a man on a run, from a cave, who's virtually impotent
 > other than these tapes."
 > In appearance on two Sunday talk shows, she used the "virtually
 > impotent" reference both times, suggesting the language was chosen
 > with careful purpose.
 > "We know that al-Qaida is still determined to attack, and we take
 > it seriously," Townsend said. "But this tape appears to be nothing
 > more than threats. It's propaganda on their part."
 > Townsend was considerably more direct than even Bush in rebuking
 > bin Laden. The president responded to bin Laden's tape last week by
 > saying it was a reminder that the world is dangerous and that Iraq
 > is part of the war against extremists. He never identified bin
 > Laden by name.
 > The consensus of the nation's top intelligence analysts is that bin
 > Laden's terrorist network is anything but impotent.
 > Terrorism experts say the network is regrouping in the lawless
 > Pakistan-Afghanistan border region. The latest National
 > Intelligence Estimate says al-Qaida is growing in strength,
 > intensifying its efforts to put operatives in the United States and
 > plotting against U.S. targets that will cause massive casualties.
 > The U.S. is in a "heightened threat environment" and al-Qaida is
 > the most serious threat, the analysts found.
 > The tape was the first time bin Laden had appeared in a new video
 > since 2004. In the recording, bin Laden tells Americans they should
 > convert to Islam if they want the war in Iraq to end. He makes no
 > overt threats and does not directly call for attacks.
 > "While he may be physically contained, his influence is not bounded
 > by any physical barriers," said Thomas Sanderson, an authority on
 > terrorism at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.
 > "Obviously, in a sense, it does not matter that we've got him
 > trapped in a cave. He has sent forth enough messages to incite
 > violence worldwide against us," he said in an interview Sunday.
 > Townsend said experts are doing a technical analysis, looking for
 > clues about bin Laden's health and whereabouts.
 > "There's nothing overtly obvious in the tape that would suggest
 > this is a trigger for an attack," she said.
 > She emphasized another finding from the intelligence estimate
 > released in July _ that worldwid

Re: [scifinoir2] sleep apnea and CPAP

[Martin]

Maybe I need to throw in the liter and a half of gunk they had to drain out 
before they could do the actual removal. Roughly the color and consistency of 
cement with lime kool-aid mixed in...

Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   No, I'm an 
addict...
 
 Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  I don;'t know to whom Keith 
directed the cigarette comment but, whoever you may be, if you need help in 
quitting, I'd be more than happy to send you a pic of the lung they took out of 
me back in '96. According to the docs who did the surgery, it looked like the 
lung of someone who'd been a three-pack-a-day smoker for years, when in truth, 
the only time I've touched the damn things was to buy them for family members. 
If you don't quit after seeing it, you're a sadist.
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dude, I understand. I sometimes talk about working 
out a great deal, but I'm no Adonis! I consider myself fit, but don't have the 
Hollywood chiseled body and six-pack. Many of my workout days are just for 
maintaining, and on some I'm lazy. Then there's that ice cream and stuff on the 
weekends. 
 
 I would strongly suggest dropping the cigs, though. That'll be the single 
greatest thing you can do to improve everything.
 
 -- Original message -- 
 From: Astromancer 
 Yes, they did, but my problem is more complicated than yours (pardon me for 
jumping into you guys' convo) unless I opt for surgery (snipping from the back 
of my mouth...Ugh!!), quit smoking (working on it hard), and lose weight (I 
hate you for being 6'1" and 200lbs! Just kidding...), I'll be using the CPAP 
for a while...
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thanks for the info. Don't know that I have apnea. I 
snore less now than I used too. I've never been badly overweight, but I know 
that's not the only cause. Do they suggest you sleep with your head slightly 
inclined to open your airways, or keep your neck straight?
 
 -- Original message -- 
 From: "Reece Jennings" 
 Sleep Apnea is when you stop breathing when you sleep because your throat
 muscles
 relax. Then your brain wakes you up just enough to get you breathing again.
 This cycle
 continues all night. You can die. 
 
 CPAP = Continuous Positive Air Pressure. You spend a night in a hospital
 sleep center
 where they measure the pressure needed to keep your throat open.
 
 Then you're fitted with a machine that gently blows air through your nose
 (nose and mouth in
 some cases) and down your throat.
 
 Here is the one I use now. I've been using a CPAP since '98. It saved my
 life.
 
 http://www.resmed.com/en-us/products/special/s8_and_mirage_swift/s8-and-mira
 ge-swift.html?menu=products
 
 The nasal headgear is very comfortable, especially compared to the Aircraft
 pilot looking mask I started out with.
 
 You would be surprised at how many people have sleep apnea. And a lot of it
 has to do with being overweight.
 I used to wear a 19 inch shirt. I lost almost an inch off my neck, and the
 pressure needed to keep me breathing
 was just reduced.
 
 Maurice Jennings
 Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure?
 KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks!
 Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation => http://www.legacyhomesavers.com
 
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 From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 2:02 PM
 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Doctor Warns Consumers of Popcorn Fumes
 
 i snore sometimes. What's CPAP?
 
 -- Original message -- 
 From: "Reece Jennings" 
 yahoo.com> 
 Look on the bright side, Keith. The popcorn that gets caught 
 in the braces doesn't get stuck in your TON-sils! 
 
 Mine were taken in 1970. Way too many strep infections!
 
 Do you snore?
 
 I did, even after that. Diagnosed with OSA (Obstructive Sleep Apnea).
 I've been using a CPAP since '98. Saved my life!
 
 Maurice Jennings
 Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure?
 KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks!
 Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation => http://www.legacyho
 mesavers.com
 mesavers.com/> 
 
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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com]
 On
 Behalf Of KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net
 Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 12:08 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com
 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Doctor Warns Consumers of Popcorn Fumes
 
 really?? I had no idea that anyone was still doing the skillet-pop route.
 That's cool. I don't eat enough popcorn to do that. Give me some of the
 deliciour caramel, butter, and cheddar cheese type from The Popcorn Factory,
 and I'm an addict, but other than that, no thanks.
 One problem is that the popcorn kernels and parts always get caught in my
 throat, making me cough and retch. I have extremely large tonsils, about 1/2
 inch each, so popcorn and stuff actually gets on them and makes me choke.
 And now I

Re: [scifinoir2] Comcast Cable in Dispute with Big Ten Network

[Martin]

Same here.

Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   As soon as 
I can, I'm gone from Comcast...
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Got the below letter from my cable provider today 
detailing how the Big Ten Network is trying to bilk me for more cash. And they 
keep telling us that new technology will *expand* our choices. Yet every new 
tech, every new method of delivering information or services, finds someone who 
manages to put restrictions and meters on it asking me for more dough. How the 
BTN can demand that this be added--with an accompanying increase in the pennies 
i pay for cable--is beyond me.
 
 What's just as funny, though, is that Comcast is giving me the "we want to 
save you money" speech. Cable companies still foist a lot of stuff on me that I 
don't want and didn't ask for (Gold Channel, anyone?). And yet, with all this 
fancy tech, I can't pick and choose what channels I want on an a la carte 
basis. I have to pay for packages that include stuff I don't want at all. And 
while we're on it, someone explain to me why cable boxes themselves can't be 
standardized and bought off the shelf from electronic stores like phones, for a 
one-time payment? This ridiculous idea that we have to pay rental for boxes is 
crazy. And isn't this the same cable company that's on board in the whole Net 
Neutrality debate, wanting to provide higher speed service for "higher tier" 
customers who pay more, and put limitations on everything from available 
content to what search engines I can use?
 
 As long as humans don't change, all the tech in the world just gives new ways 
to charge people. And as for taking care of me? Comcast set up an appointment a 
week ago to show up today to fix my cable box. Made me stay at home for a 
three-hour window--and never showed up. So much for "doing the right thing" for 
their customers...
 
 ***
 An Open Letter to Our Customers:
 
 As you may have heard, the Big Ten college athletic conference and its partner 
Fox Cable Networks launched a new national TV sports network — the Big Ten 
Network (BTN) — on August 30. Comcast wants to make the BTN available to fans 
of Big Ten sports, but Fox's BTN has demanded that Comcast and every other 
cable and satellite company make it part of their "expanded basic" service in 
every home in all Big Ten states, and they want our customers to pay them 
hundreds of millions of dollars for the programming. In addition, the Big Ten 
is demanding that we carry this new network as part of our digital basic 
package nationally.
 
 We'd like you to know that we want to carry the BTN and are working to reach 
an agreement with them that would let us add the network to our Sports 
Entertainment Package. That way, the BTN would be available for those customers 
who want to pay for it on our Sports Entertainment Package, while customers who 
don't care to watch Big Ten university sports would not have to be burdened 
with an extra charge.
 
 At Comcast, we love sports and have always enthusiastically supported 
collegiate and pro sports programming. Comcast will show almost 100 NFL games 
this season. In addition, we will air 150 college football games with the best 
of the Big Ten schedule through our carriage of ABC, NBC, CBS and ESPN. It is 
important to understand that, although the Big Ten has already contracted away 
most of its major games to other networks, it is still demanding the second 
highest carriage fee for any national network — second only to ESPN.
 
 The Big Ten and Fox see huge revenue opportunities in creating their own 
network and want to charge Comcast customers hundreds of millions of dollars to 
watch it on expanded basic. We believe that our offer to carry Fox's BTN on a 
sports tier best protects the interests of all of our customers, including Big 
Ten fans.
 
 As of today, Fox's BTN remains unwilling to allow Comcast and other major 
cable companies to carry it as part of our Sports Entertainment Package, which 
is the home for comparable programming including the NFL Network.
 We ask for your support and patience as we continue to do the right thing for 
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Re: [scifinoir2] sleep apnea and CPAP

[Astromancer]

No, I'm an addict...

Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  I don;'t know to whom Keith directed 
the cigarette comment but, whoever you may be, if you need help in quitting, 
I'd be more than happy to send you a pic of the lung they took out of me back 
in '96. According to the docs who did the surgery, it looked like the lung of 
someone who'd been a three-pack-a-day smoker for years, when in truth, the only 
time I've touched the damn things was to buy them for family members. If you 
don't quit after seeing it, you're a sadist.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dude, I understand. I sometimes talk about working out 
a great deal, but I'm no Adonis! I consider myself fit, but don't have the 
Hollywood chiseled body and six-pack. Many of my workout days are just for 
maintaining, and on some I'm lazy. Then there's that ice cream and stuff on the 
weekends. 

I would strongly suggest dropping the cigs, though. That'll be the single 
greatest thing you can do to improve everything.

-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer 
Yes, they did, but my problem is more complicated than yours (pardon me for 
jumping into you guys' convo) unless I opt for surgery (snipping from the back 
of my mouth...Ugh!!), quit smoking (working on it hard), and lose weight (I 
hate you for being 6'1" and 200lbs! Just kidding...), I'll be using the CPAP 
for a while...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thanks for the info. Don't know that I have apnea. I 
snore less now than I used too. I've never been badly overweight, but I know 
that's not the only cause. Do they suggest you sleep with your head slightly 
inclined to open your airways, or keep your neck straight?

-- Original message -- 
From: "Reece Jennings" 
Sleep Apnea is when you stop breathing when you sleep because your throat
muscles
relax. Then your brain wakes you up just enough to get you breathing again.
This cycle
continues all night. You can die. 

CPAP = Continuous Positive Air Pressure. You spend a night in a hospital
sleep center
where they measure the pressure needed to keep your throat open.

Then you're fitted with a machine that gently blows air through your nose
(nose and mouth in
some cases) and down your throat.

Here is the one I use now. I've been using a CPAP since '98. It saved my
life.

http://www.resmed.com/en-us/products/special/s8_and_mirage_swift/s8-and-mira
ge-swift.html?menu=products

The nasal headgear is very comfortable, especially compared to the Aircraft
pilot looking mask I started out with.

You would be surprised at how many people have sleep apnea. And a lot of it
has to do with being overweight.
I used to wear a 19 inch shirt. I lost almost an inch off my neck, and the
pressure needed to keep me breathing
was just reduced.

Maurice Jennings
Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure?
KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks!
Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation => http://www.legacyhomesavers.com


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From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 2:02 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Doctor Warns Consumers of Popcorn Fumes

i snore sometimes. What's CPAP?

-- Original message -- 
From: "Reece Jennings" 
yahoo.com> 
Look on the bright side, Keith. The popcorn that gets caught 
in the braces doesn't get stuck in your TON-sils! 

Mine were taken in 1970. Way too many strep infections!

Do you snore?

I did, even after that. Diagnosed with OSA (Obstructive Sleep Apnea).
I've been using a CPAP since '98. Saved my life!

Maurice Jennings
Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure?
KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks!
Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation => http://www.legacyho
mesavers.com
mesavers.com/> 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com]
On
Behalf Of KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 12:08 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Doctor Warns Consumers of Popcorn Fumes

really?? I had no idea that anyone was still doing the skillet-pop route.
That's cool. I don't eat enough popcorn to do that. Give me some of the
deliciour caramel, butter, and cheddar cheese type from The Popcorn Factory,
and I'm an addict, but other than that, no thanks.
One problem is that the popcorn kernels and parts always get caught in my
throat, making me cough and retch. I have extremely large tonsils, about 1/2
inch each, so popcorn and stuff actually gets on them and makes me choke.
And now I have braces (which suck!) so popcorn's basically verboten anyway

-- Original message -- 
From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" 
aladvantage.com> 

> Me too. I'm not sure why, but that is how we get our home movie popcorn 
> too. 
> 
> Tracey 
> 
> Martin wrote: 
> > 
> > My niece, thirteen-going- on-thirty- five, *lov

Re: [scifinoir2] Homeland Security Adviser Dismisses bin Laden as "virtually impotent"

[Astromancer]

Unfortunately, we'll do more damage if we leave Iraq now...We made a mess over 
there...if we leave now, we're asking for other countries we've made enemies of 
to screw with us...I know it doesn't make sense, but for some reason, when we 
pull out of a fight, people tend to think of us as wimps...very dumb getting 
involved in the first place, very dumb to walk away now...

Bosco Bosco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Keith

Isn't it possible that if you minimize the threat of Bin Laden in the
minds of the people then you can justify increased costs of doing
other things besides looking for him, like the Iraq war?

It's some kind of Orwellian conservo mind game. I'd lay money there
were folks behind her telling her to say it for reasons just like
that.

B
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Jesus Christ, where does Bush keep finding these idiots?? I don't
> care if bin Laden was *only* capable of putting forth a few tapes a
> year, he's still an ideological danger. Don't care if he's tied to
> a dialysis machine 24/7, if he can't set foot outside his cave (or
> compound, more likely), he can still rally the faithful who
> subscribe to his beliefs. Doesn't this idiot lady get the root
> causes of 9/11 and so much of the hatred America faces in the
> world? Does she not get that pure military might is the least of
> the obstacles we face in the world. Absolutely amazing she can make
> such a dumba** statement 
> 
> *
> 
> Homeland Security Adviser Dismisses bin Laden as "virtually
> impotent"
> WASHINGTON - Seemingly taunting Osama bin Laden, President Bush's
> homeland security adviser said Sunday the fugitive al-Qaida leader
> is "virtually impotent" beyond his ability to hide away and spread
> anti-American propaganda.
> The provocative characterization came just days after bin Laden
> attracted international attention with the release of a video in
> which he ridicules President Bush about the Iraq war and reminds
> the world that he not been captured.
> Ahead of the sixth anniversary of the Sept. 11 terrorist strikes,
> White House aide Frances Fragos Townsend made a clear attempt to
> diminish the influence _ or the perception _ of the man who
> masterminded those attacks.
> "This is about the best he can do," Townsend said of bin Laden.
> "This is a man on a run, from a cave, who's virtually impotent
> other than these tapes."
> In appearance on two Sunday talk shows, she used the "virtually
> impotent" reference both times, suggesting the language was chosen
> with careful purpose.
> "We know that al-Qaida is still determined to attack, and we take
> it seriously," Townsend said. "But this tape appears to be nothing
> more than threats. It's propaganda on their part."
> Townsend was considerably more direct than even Bush in rebuking
> bin Laden. The president responded to bin Laden's tape last week by
> saying it was a reminder that the world is dangerous and that Iraq
> is part of the war against extremists. He never identified bin
> Laden by name.
> The consensus of the nation's top intelligence analysts is that bin
> Laden's terrorist network is anything but impotent.
> Terrorism experts say the network is regrouping in the lawless
> Pakistan-Afghanistan border region. The latest National
> Intelligence Estimate says al-Qaida is growing in strength,
> intensifying its efforts to put operatives in the United States and
> plotting against U.S. targets that will cause massive casualties.
> The U.S. is in a "heightened threat environment" and al-Qaida is
> the most serious threat, the analysts found.
> The tape was the first time bin Laden had appeared in a new video
> since 2004. In the recording, bin Laden tells Americans they should
> convert to Islam if they want the war in Iraq to end. He makes no
> overt threats and does not directly call for attacks.
> "While he may be physically contained, his influence is not bounded
> by any physical barriers," said Thomas Sanderson, an authority on
> terrorism at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.
> "Obviously, in a sense, it does not matter that we've got him
> trapped in a cave. He has sent forth enough messages to incite
> violence worldwide against us," he said in an interview Sunday.
> Townsend said experts are doing a technical analysis, looking for
> clues about bin Laden's health and whereabouts.
> "There's nothing overtly obvious in the tape that would suggest
> this is a trigger for an attack," she said.
> She emphasized another finding from the intelligence estimate
> released in July _ that worldwide counterterrorism efforts have
> constrained the ability of al-Qaida to hit the U.S.
> "We ought to remember, six years since the tragedy of the September
> 11th, we haven't seen another attack," Townsend said.
> More than 3,000 people died on that day in 2001, the worst
> terrorist attack in U.S. history. Tuesday's anniversary has renewed
> questions about whether the country is safer today.
> "Six years lat

Re: [scifinoir2] Comcast Cable in Dispute with Big Ten Network

[Astromancer]

As soon as I can, I'm gone from Comcast...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Got the below letter from my cable provider today 
detailing how the Big Ten Network is trying to bilk me for more cash. And they 
keep telling us that new technology will *expand* our choices. Yet every new 
tech, every new method of delivering information or services, finds someone who 
manages to put restrictions and meters on it asking me for more dough. How the 
BTN can demand that this be added--with an accompanying increase in the pennies 
i pay for cable--is beyond me.

What's just as funny, though, is that Comcast is giving me the "we want to save 
you money" speech. Cable companies still foist a lot of stuff on me that I 
don't want and didn't ask for (Gold Channel, anyone?). And yet, with all this 
fancy tech, I can't pick and choose what channels I want on an a la carte 
basis. I have to pay for packages that include stuff I don't want at all. And 
while we're on it, someone explain to me why cable boxes themselves can't be 
standardized and bought off the shelf from electronic stores like phones, for a 
one-time payment? This ridiculous idea that we have to pay rental for boxes is 
crazy. And isn't this the same cable company that's on board in the whole Net 
Neutrality debate, wanting to provide higher speed service for "higher tier" 
customers who pay more, and put limitations on everything from available 
content to what search engines I can use?

As long as humans don't change, all the tech in the world just gives new ways 
to charge people. And as for taking care of me? Comcast set up an appointment a 
week ago to show up today to fix my cable box. Made me stay at home for a 
three-hour window--and never showed up. So much for "doing the right thing" for 
their customers...

***
An Open Letter to Our Customers:

As you may have heard, the Big Ten college athletic conference and its partner 
Fox Cable Networks launched a new national TV sports network — the Big Ten 
Network (BTN) — on August 30. Comcast wants to make the BTN available to fans 
of Big Ten sports, but Fox's BTN has demanded that Comcast and every other 
cable and satellite company make it part of their "expanded basic" service in 
every home in all Big Ten states, and they want our customers to pay them 
hundreds of millions of dollars for the programming. In addition, the Big Ten 
is demanding that we carry this new network as part of our digital basic 
package nationally.

We'd like you to know that we want to carry the BTN and are working to reach an 
agreement with them that would let us add the network to our Sports 
Entertainment Package. That way, the BTN would be available for those customers 
who want to pay for it on our Sports Entertainment Package, while customers who 
don't care to watch Big Ten university sports would not have to be burdened 
with an extra charge.

At Comcast, we love sports and have always enthusiastically supported 
collegiate and pro sports programming. Comcast will show almost 100 NFL games 
this season. In addition, we will air 150 college football games with the best 
of the Big Ten schedule through our carriage of ABC, NBC, CBS and ESPN. It is 
important to understand that, although the Big Ten has already contracted away 
most of its major games to other networks, it is still demanding the second 
highest carriage fee for any national network — second only to ESPN.

The Big Ten and Fox see huge revenue opportunities in creating their own 
network and want to charge Comcast customers hundreds of millions of dollars to 
watch it on expanded basic. We believe that our offer to carry Fox's BTN on a 
sports tier best protects the interests of all of our customers, including Big 
Ten fans.

As of today, Fox's BTN remains unwilling to allow Comcast and other major cable 
companies to carry it as part of our Sports Entertainment Package, which is the 
home for comparable programming including the NFL Network.
We ask for your support and patience as we continue to do the right thing for 
our customers. If you would like to learn more about the facts on this matter, 
please feel free to visit www.puttingfansfirst.com.

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Re: [scifinoir2] Now this is how you dispense justice

[Astromancer]

Sounds good...a crook captured by a man named Wayne!

"Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  
Foiled Burglar Loses Clothes in Tussle

DULUTH, Minn. -- A man who allegedly tried to burglarize a home lost his 
clothes in a scuffle with the 69-year-old homeowner and then tried to 
streak away before he was arrested.

Wayne and Kathie Boniface returned home from dinner Thursday night at a 
neighbor's to find the man in their house. Wayne Boniface said the man 
made the mistake of grabbing his wife.

"As soon as he grabbed my wife, I had him in the kitchen wrestling him 
to the ground in a headlock and arm-lock," Boniface said.

First, Boniface said, he ripped the man's shirt off. Then, "his head was 
down over the railing, and in today's world, pants are worn fairly 
loose. I pulled his pants, and his pants and underpants and shoes came 
completely off. He was completely nude."

When police asked Boniface if he could identify the suspect, he said: 
"Oh, yeah. I believe he's the only guy running nude in Duluth."

The 20-year-old man was apprehended about 20 minutes later. He has been 
charged with two counts of first-degree burglary. The man's name was not 
released.





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Re: [scifinoir2] A New V May Be Coming!!

[Astromancer]

Oh please no

"Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  
Willie The Lizard Man Says A New V May Be Coming!!
Merrick here...
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/33936

Robert Englund, who is best known as Freddy Kruger, also starred as the 
lovable "Willie" on the miniseries V, its sequel V: THE FINAL BATTLE, 
and the subsequent V: THE SERIES.

At the recent London Film and Comic Con, Englund indicated a new V 
project may be in the works, probably recast with younger folks.

This news isn't particularly surprising; V relaunches, sequels, and 
whatnot seem to be in an almost constant state of formation and 
upheaval. BABYLON 5's J. Michael Straczynski had V: THE REBIRTH at one 
point. More recently, original miniseries director/creator/writer 
Kenneth Johnson was brought in to update his concept...I seem to recall 
he was actually going to sequelize as opposed to relaunch. I.e. - 
there's often, if not always, some kinda V going on. Which also means: 
historically, there's a good chance this undertaking could belly-up like 
the others.

I've always seen V (I don't know if it was officially intended as such) 
as an allegory to the rise of Hitler: a gargantuan, well-armed force (in 
this case lizard aliens) overruns civilization, rounds up either the 
people it needs or the people it deems dangerous, and begins mass 
experimentation and extermination.


If this new concept is brave enough, maybe it could also be an allegory 
for something like...say...Iraq? With the aliens equaling the U.S.? 
Wouldn't be terribly safe and might even be a little controversial, but 
I think the spirit would be about right. Don't take this as a political 
comment...just a thought.

You can read a bit more at The Hollywood news - which is where this 
report originated.

I always loved Barry De Vorzon's opening music for V: THE FINAL BATTLE. 
Sounded a bit like TERMINATOR to me until I realized the "ka chuk thuk" 
percussion was boots snapping...pretty cool in my book.



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Re: [scifinoir2] A New V May Be Coming!!

[Martin]

Wouldn't want it. 

Martin Who Hates on Remakes

"Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
Willie The Lizard Man Says A New V May Be Coming!!
Merrick here...
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/33936

Robert Englund, who is best known as Freddy Kruger, also starred as the 
lovable "Willie" on the miniseries V, its sequel V: THE FINAL BATTLE, 
and the subsequent V: THE SERIES.

At the recent London Film and Comic Con, Englund indicated a new V 
project may be in the works, probably recast with younger folks.

This news isn't particularly surprising; V relaunches, sequels, and 
whatnot seem to be in an almost constant state of formation and 
upheaval. BABYLON 5's J. Michael Straczynski had V: THE REBIRTH at one 
point. More recently, original miniseries director/creator/writer 
Kenneth Johnson was brought in to update his concept...I seem to recall 
he was actually going to sequelize as opposed to relaunch. I.e. - 
there's often, if not always, some kinda V going on. Which also means: 
historically, there's a good chance this undertaking could belly-up like 
the others.

I've always seen V (I don't know if it was officially intended as such) 
as an allegory to the rise of Hitler: a gargantuan, well-armed force (in 
this case lizard aliens) overruns civilization, rounds up either the 
people it needs or the people it deems dangerous, and begins mass 
experimentation and extermination.


If this new concept is brave enough, maybe it could also be an allegory 
for something like...say...Iraq? With the aliens equaling the U.S.? 
Wouldn't be terribly safe and might even be a little controversial, but 
I think the spirit would be about right. Don't take this as a political 
comment...just a thought.

You can read a bit more at The Hollywood news - which is where this 
report originated.

I always loved Barry De Vorzon's opening music for V: THE FINAL BATTLE. 
Sounded a bit like TERMINATOR to me until I realized the "ka chuk thuk" 
percussion was boots snapping...pretty cool in my book.


 
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Re: [scifinoir2] Now this is how you dispense justice

[Martin]

MY EYES! MY EYES!

"Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
Foiled Burglar Loses Clothes in Tussle

DULUTH, Minn. -- A man who allegedly tried to burglarize a home lost his 
clothes in a scuffle with the 69-year-old homeowner and then tried to 
streak away before he was arrested.

Wayne and Kathie Boniface returned home from dinner Thursday night at a 
neighbor's to find the man in their house. Wayne Boniface said the man 
made the mistake of grabbing his wife.

"As soon as he grabbed my wife, I had him in the kitchen wrestling him 
to the ground in a headlock and arm-lock," Boniface said.

First, Boniface said, he ripped the man's shirt off. Then, "his head was 
down over the railing, and in today's world, pants are worn fairly 
loose. I pulled his pants, and his pants and underpants and shoes came 
completely off. He was completely nude."

When police asked Boniface if he could identify the suspect, he said: 
"Oh, yeah. I believe he's the only guy running nude in Duluth."

The 20-year-old man was apprehended about 20 minutes later. He has been 
charged with two counts of first-degree burglary. The man's name was not 
released.




 
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[scifinoir2] Now this is how you dispense justice

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

Foiled Burglar Loses Clothes in Tussle

DULUTH, Minn. -- A man who allegedly tried to burglarize a home lost his 
clothes in a scuffle with the 69-year-old homeowner and then tried to 
streak away before he was arrested.

Wayne and Kathie Boniface returned home from dinner Thursday night at a 
neighbor's to find the man in their house. Wayne Boniface said the man 
made the mistake of grabbing his wife.

"As soon as he grabbed my wife, I had him in the kitchen wrestling him 
to the ground in a headlock and arm-lock," Boniface said.

First, Boniface said, he ripped the man's shirt off. Then, "his head was 
down over the railing, and in today's world, pants are worn fairly 
loose. I pulled his pants, and his pants and underpants and shoes came 
completely off. He was completely nude."

When police asked Boniface if he could identify the suspect, he said: 
"Oh, yeah. I believe he's the only guy running nude in Duluth."

The 20-year-old man was apprehended about 20 minutes later. He has been 
charged with two counts of first-degree burglary. The man's name was not 
released.




 
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Re: [scifinoir2] Roswell Creator Joins Bionic Woman Production

[Martin]

Am I the only person here who is highly apathetic about this? Seriously, I'm 
more juiced up about seeing the last ep of "Paincauser Jane", because I'll be 
able to leap over into their forum afterward and ridicule them endlessly.

"Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  
 NBC has drafted one of its MVPs to tinker with Bionic 
Woman.
 
 According to sources, Friday Night Lights executive producer Jason 
 Katims has agreed to lend a helping hand on the Peacock's highly touted 
 redo as a consultant. The move comes less than a week after the abrupt 
 exit of Bionic boss Glen Morgan, apparently over creative differences.
 
 I'm told Katims will split his time between Bionic and FNL. And I think 
 I speak for FNL fans when I say our brilliant little show better not 
 suffer as a result. I do speak for you guys, right!?
 
 “Bionic Woman” premieres Sept. 26.
 
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[scifinoir2] A New V May Be Coming!!

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

Willie The Lizard Man Says A New V May Be Coming!!
Merrick here...
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/33936

Robert Englund, who is best known as Freddy Kruger, also starred as the 
lovable "Willie" on the miniseries V, its sequel V: THE FINAL BATTLE, 
and the subsequent V: THE SERIES.

At the recent London Film and Comic Con, Englund indicated a new V 
project may be in the works, probably recast with younger folks.

This news isn't particularly surprising; V relaunches, sequels, and 
whatnot seem to be in an almost constant state of formation and 
upheaval. BABYLON 5's J. Michael Straczynski had V: THE REBIRTH at one 
point. More recently, original miniseries director/creator/writer 
Kenneth Johnson was brought in to update his concept...I seem to recall 
he was actually going to sequelize as opposed to relaunch. I.e. - 
there's often, if not always, some kinda V going on. Which also means: 
historically, there's a good chance this undertaking could belly-up like 
the others.

I've always seen V (I don't know if it was officially intended as such) 
as an allegory to the rise of Hitler: a gargantuan, well-armed force (in 
this case lizard aliens) overruns civilization, rounds up either the 
people it needs or the people it deems dangerous, and begins mass 
experimentation and extermination.


If this new concept is brave enough, maybe it could also be an allegory 
for something like...say...Iraq? With the aliens equaling the U.S.? 
Wouldn't be terribly safe and might even be a little controversial, but 
I think the spirit would be about right. Don't take this as a political 
comment...just a thought.

You can read a bit more at The Hollywood news - which is where this 
report originated.

I always loved Barry De Vorzon's opening music for V: THE FINAL BATTLE. 
Sounded a bit like TERMINATOR to me until I realized the "ka chuk thuk" 
percussion was boots snapping...pretty cool in my book.


 
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[scifinoir2] Bionic Problems Downplayed

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

Bionic Problems Downplayed

David Eick, executive producer of NBC's upcoming Bionic Woman remake, 
downplayed rumors of behinds-the-scenes problems and the departure of 
co-executive producer Glen Morgan, saying they were simply business as 
usual on any television show, especially a genre program.

"One of the things I learned very early in my career, when I was running 
a television company for Sam Raimi, was that in the genre, so to 
speak—and there's horror, science fiction, fantasy and superhero—there 
are so many permutations of what you're doing and, moreover, what you're 
not doing, and people bring their own perspective to that," Eick said 
during a Sept. 7 conference call. "Some people come in thinking, 'Well, 
if it's got someone with super strength, it must mean it has to be 
really kind of funny and kooky,' and other people come in and said, 
'Well, we've got someone with a tortured soul who's had this thing 
perpetrated on her, then it's got to be very dark and twisted.' Other 
people might say, 'Well, it should be very female and soft.'"

Executive producer Morgan (The X-Files) left the show abruptly last 
week, and sources told Variety that he left due to "creative 
differences." For its part, NBC thanked Morgan for his contributions to 
the series, without going into detail about why Morgan left.

The trade paper also cited industry insiders as saying they believe it's 
possible the show, which is now in production on its fifth episode, 
might take a break in order to give the writers a chance to focus on 
refining the show's directions. Eick said that no break is imminent, 
though he added that most shows take a week to regroup at some point.

Eick didn't talk specifically about Morgan's departure, but added: 
"Finding the people—not just people who get it, but defining what the 
'it' is that you want everyone to get— ... is its own sort of separate 
endurance test. I think this is really no different from, frankly, most 
of the genre shows I've done in that there's a lot of turnover early in 
the process. It's just the way it works."

Eick, who is also an executive producer of SCI FI Channel's Battlestar 
Galactica, will be Bionic's show runner and will handle all day-to-day 
aspects of production with executive producer Jason Smilovic. Bionic 
Woman premieres Sept. 26 and will air on Wednesdays at 9 p.m. ET/PT. 
(NBC is owned by NBC Universal, which also owns SCIFI.COM.) —Ian Spelling
http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=43970

[scifinoir2] Roswell Creator Joins Bionic Woman Production

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

NBC has drafted one of its MVPs to tinker with Bionic Woman.

According to sources, Friday Night Lights executive producer Jason 
Katims has agreed to lend a helping hand on the Peacock's highly touted 
redo as a consultant. The move comes less than a week after the abrupt 
exit of Bionic boss Glen Morgan, apparently over creative differences.

I'm told Katims will split his time between Bionic and FNL. And I think 
I speak for FNL fans when I say our brilliant little show better not 
suffer as a result. I do speak for you guys, right!?

“Bionic Woman” premieres Sept. 26.
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Re: [scifinoir2] sleep apnea and CPAP

[Astromancer]

I agree with you 100%, but it is far more than a notion...I shall continue my 
vigilance...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Dude, I understand. I sometimes talk about working 
out a great deal, but I'm no Adonis! I consider myself fit, but don't have the 
Hollywood chiseled body and six-pack. Many of my workout days are just for 
maintaining, and on some I'm lazy. Then there's that ice cream and stuff on the 
weekends. 

I would strongly suggest dropping the cigs, though. That'll be the single 
greatest thing you can do to improve everything.

-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer 
Yes, they did, but my problem is more complicated than yours (pardon me for 
jumping into you guys' convo) unless I opt for surgery (snipping from the back 
of my mouth...Ugh!!), quit smoking (working on it hard), and lose weight (I 
hate you for being 6'1" and 200lbs! Just kidding...), I'll be using the CPAP 
for a while...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thanks for the info. Don't know that I have apnea. I 
snore less now than I used too. I've never been badly overweight, but I know 
that's not the only cause. Do they suggest you sleep with your head slightly 
inclined to open your airways, or keep your neck straight?

-- Original message -- 
From: "Reece Jennings" 
Sleep Apnea is when you stop breathing when you sleep because your throat
muscles
relax. Then your brain wakes you up just enough to get you breathing again.
This cycle
continues all night. You can die. 

CPAP = Continuous Positive Air Pressure. You spend a night in a hospital
sleep center
where they measure the pressure needed to keep your throat open.

Then you're fitted with a machine that gently blows air through your nose
(nose and mouth in
some cases) and down your throat.

Here is the one I use now. I've been using a CPAP since '98. It saved my
life.

http://www.resmed.com/en-us/products/special/s8_and_mirage_swift/s8-and-mira
ge-swift.html?menu=products

The nasal headgear is very comfortable, especially compared to the Aircraft
pilot looking mask I started out with.

You would be surprised at how many people have sleep apnea. And a lot of it
has to do with being overweight.
I used to wear a 19 inch shirt. I lost almost an inch off my neck, and the
pressure needed to keep me breathing
was just reduced.

Maurice Jennings
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From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 2:02 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Doctor Warns Consumers of Popcorn Fumes

i snore sometimes. What's CPAP?

-- Original message -- 
From: "Reece Jennings" 
yahoo.com> 
Look on the bright side, Keith. The popcorn that gets caught 
in the braces doesn't get stuck in your TON-sils! 

Mine were taken in 1970. Way too many strep infections!

Do you snore?

I did, even after that. Diagnosed with OSA (Obstructive Sleep Apnea).
I've been using a CPAP since '98. Saved my life!

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On
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Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 12:08 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Doctor Warns Consumers of Popcorn Fumes

really?? I had no idea that anyone was still doing the skillet-pop route.
That's cool. I don't eat enough popcorn to do that. Give me some of the
deliciour caramel, butter, and cheddar cheese type from The Popcorn Factory,
and I'm an addict, but other than that, no thanks.
One problem is that the popcorn kernels and parts always get caught in my
throat, making me cough and retch. I have extremely large tonsils, about 1/2
inch each, so popcorn and stuff actually gets on them and makes me choke.
And now I have braces (which suck!) so popcorn's basically verboten anyway

-- Original message -- 
From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" aladvantage.com> 

> Me too. I'm not sure why, but that is how we get our home movie popcorn 
> too. 
> 
> Tracey 
> 
> Martin wrote: 
> > 
> > My niece, thirteen-going- on-thirty- five, *loves* the skillet-popped 
> > corn. She'll even willingly pop enough for the entire family. 
> > 
> > KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net wrote: 
> > amen! that's amazing. Maybe he has a one-room apartment, with kitchen, 
> > living room, and bedroom all one, so he is forced to inhale all the 
> > gaseous matter produced as the Reddenbacher is popped. 
> > Hmmmyou think this means we need to go back to the old Jiffy Pop, 
> > where you held the aluminum

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Uhuru

[Astromancer]

Neither did Maryann...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  no, of *course* we remember. That's why I 
said she didn't look like a tomboy!

-- Original message -- 
From: Said Kakese Dibinga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
I guess nobody remembers the shot of Uhuru appearing on the transporter bay in 
the mini-skirt and sports bra-like top combo in "Mirror, Mirror" so sexy, 
so sexy...

Said

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RE: [scifinoir2] Doctor Warns Consumers of Popcorn Fumes

[Astromancer]

Which is exactly what happened to a friend of mine who had to eat what was 
available to to her according to  her means...now she is extremely lactose 
intolerant...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  ha-ha! I agree with you. Besides, if the world ever 
falls into chaos and anarchy (like in a bad Van Damme post-apocalyptic movie) I 
don't want to be wandering around wastelands only able to eat veggies. This 
way, even eating a relatively small amount of meat, I keep the body chemistry 
in a state where it can digest meat. My friend who's been vegetarian would 
probably throw up and dang near go into shock if he ate meat at this point

-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer 
Because my lifestyle changes so often and I never know where I'll be until I 
establish a place for myself, I prefer to keep my diet versatile...meat is a 
better source of protein and you have to comsume less to get the same results 
from a vegan diet...I think the whole key is to stay as far away from the 
processed stuff as possible. The closer your food is to the way it was when it 
came off the tree, root or beast, the healthier is will be for you...(I see 
your desserts slipping away from you, Keith!)

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, you're right. Don't worry, I'm taking it 
slowly. It's why I'm still "mostly vegetarian". I weigh about 200 pounds, stand 
6'1", and work out 5 -6 days a week (three days of muscle strengthening/toning, 
three of aerobics, two days of Power Yoga thrown in). So it's important for me 
to get proper iron, calcium, and protein, etc. Fortunately, I seem to be 
engineered to get a great deal of nutrition from vegetables (see recent 
conversations about blood type and what's best for ABs like me). I'm starting 
into research on better foods for me, so I figure in about 2 -3 years, I may 
make the move.

-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer 
Make sure you find a balance in that lifestyle...I've seen some get sick after 
changing over... 

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
ditto, for now, though I see "vegan" in my future...

-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer 
Hey, I'm a proud omnivore...I'll just take my chances and not overindulge...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thanks. I keep feeling the pull to become a full 
vegetarian, but I keep refusing to yield, so I have to practice the moderation. 
And we all know about my ice cream addiction...

-- Original message -- 
From: "Reece Jennings" 
Keith, you said a MOUTHful, and boiled it right down to this:

It's all about the moderation.

VERY well-said! 

Maurice Jennings
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From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 10:48 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Doctor Warns Consumers of Popcorn Fumes

Agreed. Remember the days of homemade frozen Kool-Aid pops, cheese
sandwiches, simple toast made in a skillet? Nothing beats that. I don't
think anything can replace the good old-fashioned ways of cooking and making
things. A lot of the packaged food we buy might be convenient, but they're
not better. In fact, as I get older and spend more time looking into
nutrition and fitness, i find myself going back to the old-fashioned things
more. I've always been of the mind to eat food in moderation more than to
cut out any one food. (For example, I'm a "mostly vegetarian", but havent'
yet made the jump to full vegetarian). Butter, red meat, fried food,
sugar--all are bad for you in excess, but any of it can be enjoyed in small
amounts. One hamburger a month isnt going to kill you. And frankly, a little
greasy fried food here and there isn't going to kill you either--in
moderation! I'm more and more starting to think that all the substitutes,
artificial sweeteners, butter substitutes, etc.
, might be worse in the long run, since we think they're safe and eat more
of them than we might the "bad" stuff. For example, remember when margarine
was deemed safer than butter? Now they say between the two, butter's better.
And the studies showing that Nutrasweet and Equal are bad for you won't go
away. There's also a matter of taste. Some substitutes simply don't taste
that good. So, rather than consume two sodas a day full of aritificial
sweeteners, I may have one real soda a week, a Jarrito's sweetened with real
sugar.

It's all about the moderation.

-- Original message --
From: "Reece Jennings" Note the dates. They've
known for years. I got rid of my microwave oven a couple of years ago for
other reasons. I used to eat a couple of bags a week...

http://www.osha.gov/dts/chemicalsampling/data/CH_231710.html#general

Health Factors 

Potential symptoms: Eye, muc

[scifinoir2] [TimeWaster] How To Cope With Death

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x00q6UBTP2E

Re: [scifinoir2] Homeland Security Adviser Dismisses bin Laden as "virtually impotent"

[Martin]

At this point, IMO, the machine is spinning of its own volition.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   You may be right, but 
ain't that interesting, given that the invasion of Iraq was deemed necessary by 
them in part because of the supposed connection to bin Laden and Al quida!
 
 -- Original message -- 
 From: Bosco Bosco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
 Keith
 
 Isn't it possible that if you minimize the threat of Bin Laden in the
 minds of the people then you can justify increased costs of doing
 other things besides looking for him, like the Iraq war?
 
 It's some kind of Orwellian conservo mind game. I'd lay money there
 were folks behind her telling her to say it for reasons just like
 that.
 
 B
 --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 > Jesus Christ, where does Bush keep finding these idiots?? I don't
 > care if bin Laden was *only* capable of putting forth a few tapes a
 > year, he's still an ideological danger. Don't care if he's tied to
 > a dialysis machine 24/7, if he can't set foot outside his cave (or
 > compound, more likely), he can still rally the faithful who
 > subscribe to his beliefs. Doesn't this idiot lady get the root
 > causes of 9/11 and so much of the hatred America faces in the
 > world? Does she not get that pure military might is the least of
 > the obstacles we face in the world. Absolutely amazing she can make
 > such a dumba** statement 
 > 
 > *
 > 
 > Homeland Security Adviser Dismisses bin Laden as "virtually
 > impotent"
 > WASHINGTON - Seemingly taunting Osama bin Laden, President Bush's
 > homeland security adviser said Sunday the fugitive al-Qaida leader
 > is "virtually impotent" beyond his ability to hide away and spread
 > anti-American propaganda.
 > The provocative characterization came just days after bin Laden
 > attracted international attention with the release of a video in
 > which he ridicules President Bush about the Iraq war and reminds
 > the world that he not been captured.
 > Ahead of the sixth anniversary of the Sept. 11 terrorist strikes,
 > White House aide Frances Fragos Townsend made a clear attempt to
 > diminish the influence _ or the perception _ of the man who
 > masterminded those attacks.
 > "This is about the best he can do," Townsend said of bin Laden.
 > "This is a man on a run, from a cave, who's virtually impotent
 > other than these tapes."
 > In appearance on two Sunday talk shows, she used the "virtually
 > impotent" reference both times, suggesting the language was chosen
 > with careful purpose.
 > "We know that al-Qaida is still determined to attack, and we take
 > it seriously," Townsend said. "But this tape appears to be nothing
 > more than threats. It's propaganda on their part."
 > Townsend was considerably more direct than even Bush in rebuking
 > bin Laden. The president responded to bin Laden's tape last week by
 > saying it was a reminder that the world is dangerous and that Iraq
 > is part of the war against extremists. He never identified bin
 > Laden by name.
 > The consensus of the nation's top intelligence analysts is that bin
 > Laden's terrorist network is anything but impotent.
 > Terrorism experts say the network is regrouping in the lawless
 > Pakistan-Afghanistan border region. The latest National
 > Intelligence Estimate says al-Qaida is growing in strength,
 > intensifying its efforts to put operatives in the United States and
 > plotting against U.S. targets that will cause massive casualties.
 > The U.S. is in a "heightened threat environment" and al-Qaida is
 > the most serious threat, the analysts found.
 > The tape was the first time bin Laden had appeared in a new video
 > since 2004. In the recording, bin Laden tells Americans they should
 > convert to Islam if they want the war in Iraq to end. He makes no
 > overt threats and does not directly call for attacks.
 > "While he may be physically contained, his influence is not bounded
 > by any physical barriers," said Thomas Sanderson, an authority on
 > terrorism at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.
 > "Obviously, in a sense, it does not matter that we've got him
 > trapped in a cave. He has sent forth enough messages to incite
 > violence worldwide against us," he said in an interview Sunday.
 > Townsend said experts are doing a technical analysis, looking for
 > clues about bin Laden's health and whereabouts.
 > "There's nothing overtly obvious in the tape that would suggest
 > this is a trigger for an attack," she said.
 > She emphasized another finding from the intelligence estimate
 > released in July _ that worldwide counterterrorism efforts have
 > constrained the ability of al-Qaida to hit the U.S.
 > "We ought to remember, six years since the tragedy of the September
 > 11th, we haven't seen another attack," Townsend said.
 > More than 3,000 people died on that day in 2001, the worst
 > terrorist attack in U.S. history. Tuesday's anniversary has renewed
 > questions about wh

Re: [scifinoir2] Mali's Farmers Discover a Weed's Potential Power

[Martin]

Tracey, I'm waiting for the full show.

"Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
Watch how the corn lobby (Big Agriculture) finds a way to make sure we 
in the US do not benefits from this amazing discovery

Martin wrote:
>
> Anything that can wean us off Big Oil is welcome news indeed, Amy.
>
> Amy1 > wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Some rare good news.
>
>
>
> --
>
> September 9, 2007
> Mali's Farmers Discover a Weed's Potential Power
> By LYDIA POLGREEN
> KOULIKORO, Mali - When Suleiman Diarra Banani's brother said that the 
> poisonous black seeds dropping from the seemingly worthless weed that 
> had grown around his family farm for decades could be used to run a 
> generator, or even a car, Mr. Banani did not believe him. When he 
> suggested that they intersperse the plant, until now used as a natural 
> fence between rows of their regular crops - edible millet, peanuts, 
> corn and beans - he thought his older brother, Dadjo, was crazy.
>
> "I thought it was a plant for old ladies to make soap," he said.
>
> But now that a plant called jatropha is being hailed by scientists and 
> policy makers as a potentially ideal source of biofuel, a plant that 
> can grow in marginal soil or beside food crops, that does not require 
> a lot of fertilizer and yields many times as much biofuel per acre 
> planted as corn and many other potential biofuels. By planting a row 
> of jatropha for every seven rows of regular crops, Mr. Banani could 
> double his income on the field in the first year and lose none of his 
> usual yield from his field.
>
> Poor farmers living on a wide band of land on both sides of the 
> equator are planting it on millions of acres, hoping to turn their 
> rockiest, most unproductive fields into a biofuel boom. They are 
> spurred on by big oil companies like BP and the British biofuel giant 
> D1 Oils, which are investing millions of dollars in jatropha cultivation.
>
> Countries like India, China, the Philippines and Malaysia are starting 
> huge plantations, betting that jatropha will help them to become more 
> energy independent and even export biofuel. It is too soon to say 
> whether jatropha will be viable as a commercial biofuel, scientists 
> say, and farmers in India are already expressing frustration that 
> after being encouraged to plant huge swaths of the bush they have 
> found no buyers for the seeds.
>
> But here in Mali, one of the poorest nations on earth, a number of 
> small-scale projects aimed at solving local problems - the lack of 
> electricity and rural poverty - are blossoming across the country to 
> use the existing supply of jatropha to fuel specially modified 
> generators in villages far off the electrical grid.
>
> "We are focused on solving our own energy problems and reducing 
> poverty," said Aboubacar Samaké, director of a government project 
> aimed at promoting renewable energy. "If it helps the world, that is 
> good, too."
>
> Jatropha originated in Central America and is believed to have been 
> spread around the world by Portuguese explorers. In Mali, a landlocked 
> former French colony, it has been used for decades by farmers as a 
> living fence that keeps grazing animals off their fields - the smell 
> and the taste of the plant repel grazing animals - and a guard against 
> erosion, keeping rich topsoil from being blown away by the harsh Sahel 
> winds. The Royal Tropical Institute, a nonprofit research institution 
> in Amsterdam that has been working to develop jatropha as a commercial 
> biofuel, estimates that there are 22,000 linear kilometers, or more 
> than 13,000 miles, of the bush in Mali.
>
> Jatropha's proponents say it avoids the major pitfalls of other 
> biofuels, which pose significant environmental and social risks. 
> Places that struggle to feed their populations, like Mali and the rest 
> of the arid Sahel region, can scarcely afford to give up cultivable 
> land for growing biofuel crops. Other potential biofuels, like palm 
> oil, have encountered resistance by environmentalists because 
> plantations have encroached on rain forests and other natural habitats.
>
> But jatropha can grow on virtually barren land with relatively little 
> rainfall, so it can be planted in places where food does not grow 
> well. It can also be planted beside other crops farmers grow here, 
> like millet, peanuts and beans, without substantially reducing the 
> yield of the fields; it may even help improve output of food crops by, 
> among other things, preventing erosion and keeping animals out.
>
> Other biofuels like ethanol from corn and sugar cane require large 
> amounts of water and fertilizer, and factory farming in some cases 
> consumes substantial amounts of petroleum, making the environmental 
> benefits limited, critics say. But jatropha requires no pesticides, 
> Mr. Samaké said, little water other than rain and no fertilizer beyond 

Re: [scifinoir2] sleep apnea and CPAP

[Martin]

I don;'t know to whom Keith directed the cigarette comment but, whoever you may 
be, if you need help in quitting, I'd be more than happy to send you a pic of 
the lung they took out of me back in '96. According to the docs who did the 
surgery, it looked like the lung of someone who'd been a three-pack-a-day 
smoker for years, when in truth, the only time I've touched the damn things was 
to buy them for family members. If you don't quit after seeing it, you're a 
sadist.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dude, I understand. I sometimes talk about working out 
a great deal, but I'm no Adonis! I consider myself fit, but don't have the 
Hollywood chiseled body and six-pack. Many of my workout days are just for 
maintaining, and on some I'm lazy. Then there's that ice cream and stuff on the 
weekends. 

I would strongly suggest dropping the cigs, though. That'll be the single 
greatest thing you can do to improve everything.

-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer  
Yes, they did, but my problem is more complicated than yours (pardon me for 
jumping into you guys' convo) unless I opt for surgery (snipping from the back 
of my mouth...Ugh!!), quit smoking (working on it hard), and lose weight (I 
hate you for being 6'1" and 200lbs! Just kidding...), I'll be using the CPAP 
for a while...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thanks for the info. Don't know that I have apnea. I 
snore less now than I used too. I've never been badly overweight, but I know 
that's not the only cause. Do they suggest you sleep with your head slightly 
inclined to open your airways, or keep your neck straight?

-- Original message -- 
From: "Reece Jennings"  
Sleep Apnea is when you stop breathing when you sleep because your throat
muscles
relax. Then your brain wakes you up just enough to get you breathing again.
This cycle
continues all night. You can die. 

CPAP = Continuous Positive Air Pressure. You spend a night in a hospital
sleep center
where they measure the pressure needed to keep your throat open.

Then you're fitted with a machine that gently blows air through your nose
(nose and mouth in
some cases) and down your throat.

Here is the one I use now. I've been using a CPAP since '98. It saved my
life.

http://www.resmed.com/en-us/products/special/s8_and_mirage_swift/s8-and-mira
ge-swift.html?menu=products

The nasal headgear is very comfortable, especially compared to the Aircraft
pilot looking mask I started out with.

You would be surprised at how many people have sleep apnea. And a lot of it
has to do with being overweight.
I used to wear a 19 inch shirt. I lost almost an inch off my neck, and the
pressure needed to keep me breathing
was just reduced.

Maurice Jennings
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From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 2:02 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Doctor Warns Consumers of Popcorn Fumes

i snore sometimes. What's CPAP?

-- Original message -- 
From: "Reece Jennings" 
yahoo.com> 
Look on the bright side, Keith. The popcorn that gets caught 
in the braces doesn't get stuck in your TON-sils! 

Mine were taken in 1970. Way too many strep infections!

Do you snore?

I did, even after that. Diagnosed with OSA (Obstructive Sleep Apnea).
I've been using a CPAP since '98. Saved my life!

Maurice Jennings
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  ups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  ups.com]
On
Behalf Of KeithBJohnson@  comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 12:08 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  ups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Doctor Warns Consumers of Popcorn Fumes

really?? I had no idea that anyone was still doing the skillet-pop route.
That's cool. I don't eat enough popcorn to do that. Give me some of the
deliciour caramel, butter, and cheddar cheese type from The Popcorn Factory,
and I'm an addict, but other than that, no thanks.
One problem is that the popcorn kernels and parts always get caught in my
throat, making me cough and retch. I have extremely large tonsils, about 1/2
inch each, so popcorn and stuff actually gets on them and makes me choke.
And now I have braces (which suck!) so popcorn's basically verboten anyway

-- Original message -- 
From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" 
 aladvantage.com> 

> Me too. I'm not sure why, but that is how we get our home movie popcorn 
> too. 
> 
> Tracey 
> 
> Martin wrote: 
> > 
> > My niece, thirteen-going- on-thirty- five, *loves* the skillet-popped 
> > corn. She'll even willingly

Re: [scifinoir2] Homeland Security Adviser Dismisses bin Laden as "virtually impotent"

[KeithBJohnson]

The surviving members of the A-Team??? Man, that is *Too* freakin' hilarious!

-- Original message -- 
From: Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

Interestingly enough, ³Swordfish² was on this weekend. Misdirection is still
the best trick in this country¹s arsenal. If the whole reason behind going
to war was because this dude was behind 9/11 and we had to take out the
folks he¹d inspired, and now we¹re saying he holds no power -- why are we
still spending billions of dollars on the military again? Saddam¹s dead. Bin
Laden is the middle eastern equivalent of Queen Elizabeth now. Gas is still
3 bloody dollars a gallon. New Orleans is still a mess. Our children are
still being left behind. What exactly are we DOING?

I think the people have been going about this all wrong. Saying we want the
troops home is not the way to get this done. The money is still spent. No
WMDs. Nobody caught or held accountable for 9/11. From here on, I¹m saying I
want my money back. We could have hired the surviving members of ³The A
Team² for 1/10th the price and gotten better results than this.

On 9/10/07 9:00 AM, "Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> 
> When I saw this story on Yahoo yesterday, I e-mailed t to several friends of
> mine, along with this message.
> 
> "It's hard to be potent when you're dead...(pardon the pun)"
> 
> I don't care what anyone says to me. The guy in that vid is *not* bin Laden,
> just someone with an uncanny resemblance. bin Laden had serious kidney
> trouble, needed dialysis twice weekly. If he's still getting that, then
> someone has had to have seen him. I thought that there was a $25 million
> bounty on his head (my mistake- it's $100 million). Money like that will get
> past a lot of things, even religion, in the eyes of men. No takers as yet. Why
> not?
> 
> He's dead. D-E-double-D DEAD.
> 
> Bosco Bosco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]  > wrote:
> Keith
> 
> Isn't it possible that if you minimize the threat of Bin Laden in the
> minds of the people then you can justify increased costs of doing
> other things besides looking for him, like the Iraq war?
> 
> It's some kind of Orwellian conservo mind game. I'd lay money there
> were folks behind her telling her to say it for reasons just like
> that.
> 
> B
> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:
> 
>> > Jesus Christ, where does Bush keep finding these idiots?? I don't
>> > care if bin Laden was *only* capable of putting forth a few tapes a
>> > year, he's still an ideological danger. Don't care if he's tied to
>> > a dialysis machine 24/7, if he can't set foot outside his cave (or
>> > compound, more likely), he can still rally the faithful who
>> > subscribe to his beliefs. Doesn't this idiot lady get the root
>> > causes of 9/11 and so much of the hatred America faces in the
>> > world? Does she not get that pure military might is the least of
>> > the obstacles we face in the world. Absolutely amazing she can make
>> > such a dumba** statement
>> > 
>> > *
>> > 
>> > Homeland Security Adviser Dismisses bin Laden as "virtually
>> > impotent"
>> > WASHINGTON - Seemingly taunting Osama bin Laden, President Bush's
>> > homeland security adviser said Sunday the fugitive al-Qaida leader
>> > is "virtually impotent" beyond his ability to hide away and spread
>> > anti-American propaganda.
>> > The provocative characterization came just days after bin Laden
>> > attracted international attention with the release of a video in
>> > which he ridicules President Bush about the Iraq war and reminds
>> > the world that he not been captured.
>> > Ahead of the sixth anniversary of the Sept. 11 terrorist strikes,
>> > White House aide Frances Fragos Townsend made a clear attempt to
>> > diminish the influence _ or the perception _ of the man who
>> > masterminded those attacks.
>> > "This is about the best he can do," Townsend said of bin Laden.
>> > "This is a man on a run, from a cave, who's virtually impotent
>> > other than these tapes."
>> > In appearance on two Sunday talk shows, she used the "virtually
>> > impotent" reference both times, suggesting the language was chosen
>> > with careful purpose.
>> > "We know that al-Qaida is still determined to attack, and we take
>> > it seriously," Townsend said. "But this tape appears to be nothing
>> > more than threats. It's propaganda on their part."
>> > Townsend was considerably more direct than even Bush in rebuking
>> > bin Laden. The president responded to bin Laden's tape last week by
>> > saying it was a reminder that the world is dangerous and that Iraq
>> > is part of the war against extremists. He never identified bin
>> > Laden by name.
>> > The consensus of the nation's top intelligence analysts is that bin
>> > Laden's terrorist network is anything but impotent.
>> > Terrorism experts say the network is regrouping in the lawless
>> > Pakistan-Afghanistan border region. The latest National
>> > Intellige

Re: [scifinoir2] Mali's Farmers Discover a Weed's Potential Power

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

Watch how the corn lobby (Big Agriculture) finds a way to make sure we 
in the US do not benefits from this amazing discovery

Martin wrote:
>
> Anything that can wean us off Big Oil is welcome news indeed, Amy.
>
> Amy1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Some rare good news.
>
>
>
> --
>
> September 9, 2007
> Mali's Farmers Discover a Weed's Potential Power
> By LYDIA POLGREEN
> KOULIKORO, Mali - When Suleiman Diarra Banani's brother said that the 
> poisonous black seeds dropping from the seemingly worthless weed that 
> had grown around his family farm for decades could be used to run a 
> generator, or even a car, Mr. Banani did not believe him. When he 
> suggested that they intersperse the plant, until now used as a natural 
> fence between rows of their regular crops - edible millet, peanuts, 
> corn and beans - he thought his older brother, Dadjo, was crazy.
>
> "I thought it was a plant for old ladies to make soap," he said.
>
> But now that a plant called jatropha is being hailed by scientists and 
> policy makers as a potentially ideal source of biofuel, a plant that 
> can grow in marginal soil or beside food crops, that does not require 
> a lot of fertilizer and yields many times as much biofuel per acre 
> planted as corn and many other potential biofuels. By planting a row 
> of jatropha for every seven rows of regular crops, Mr. Banani could 
> double his income on the field in the first year and lose none of his 
> usual yield from his field.
>
> Poor farmers living on a wide band of land on both sides of the 
> equator are planting it on millions of acres, hoping to turn their 
> rockiest, most unproductive fields into a biofuel boom. They are 
> spurred on by big oil companies like BP and the British biofuel giant 
> D1 Oils, which are investing millions of dollars in jatropha cultivation.
>
> Countries like India, China, the Philippines and Malaysia are starting 
> huge plantations, betting that jatropha will help them to become more 
> energy independent and even export biofuel. It is too soon to say 
> whether jatropha will be viable as a commercial biofuel, scientists 
> say, and farmers in India are already expressing frustration that 
> after being encouraged to plant huge swaths of the bush they have 
> found no buyers for the seeds.
>
> But here in Mali, one of the poorest nations on earth, a number of 
> small-scale projects aimed at solving local problems - the lack of 
> electricity and rural poverty - are blossoming across the country to 
> use the existing supply of jatropha to fuel specially modified 
> generators in villages far off the electrical grid.
>
> "We are focused on solving our own energy problems and reducing 
> poverty," said Aboubacar Samaké, director of a government project 
> aimed at promoting renewable energy. "If it helps the world, that is 
> good, too."
>
> Jatropha originated in Central America and is believed to have been 
> spread around the world by Portuguese explorers. In Mali, a landlocked 
> former French colony, it has been used for decades by farmers as a 
> living fence that keeps grazing animals off their fields - the smell 
> and the taste of the plant repel grazing animals - and a guard against 
> erosion, keeping rich topsoil from being blown away by the harsh Sahel 
> winds. The Royal Tropical Institute, a nonprofit research institution 
> in Amsterdam that has been working to develop jatropha as a commercial 
> biofuel, estimates that there are 22,000 linear kilometers, or more 
> than 13,000 miles, of the bush in Mali.
>
> Jatropha's proponents say it avoids the major pitfalls of other 
> biofuels, which pose significant environmental and social risks. 
> Places that struggle to feed their populations, like Mali and the rest 
> of the arid Sahel region, can scarcely afford to give up cultivable 
> land for growing biofuel crops. Other potential biofuels, like palm 
> oil, have encountered resistance by environmentalists because 
> plantations have encroached on rain forests and other natural habitats.
>
> But jatropha can grow on virtually barren land with relatively little 
> rainfall, so it can be planted in places where food does not grow 
> well. It can also be planted beside other crops farmers grow here, 
> like millet, peanuts and beans, without substantially reducing the 
> yield of the fields; it may even help improve output of food crops by, 
> among other things, preventing erosion and keeping animals out.
>
> Other biofuels like ethanol from corn and sugar cane require large 
> amounts of water and fertilizer, and factory farming in some cases 
> consumes substantial amounts of petroleum, making the environmental 
> benefits limited, critics say. But jatropha requires no pesticides, 
> Mr. Samaké said, little water other than rain and no fertilizer beyond 
> the nutrient-rich seed cake lef

Re: [scifinoir2] sleep apnea and CPAP

[KeithBJohnson]

Dude, I understand. I sometimes talk about working out a great deal, but I'm no 
Adonis! I consider myself fit, but don't have the Hollywood chiseled body and 
six-pack. Many of my workout days are just for maintaining, and on some I'm 
lazy. Then there's that ice cream and stuff on the weekends. 

I would strongly suggest dropping the cigs, though. That'll be the single 
greatest thing you can do to improve everything.

-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Yes, they did, but my problem is more complicated than yours (pardon me for 
jumping into you guys' convo) unless I opt for surgery (snipping from the back 
of my mouth...Ugh!!), quit smoking (working on it hard), and lose weight (I 
hate you for being 6'1" and 200lbs! Just kidding...), I'll be using the CPAP 
for a while...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thanks for the info. Don't know that I have apnea. I 
snore less now than I used too. I've never been badly overweight, but I know 
that's not the only cause. Do they suggest you sleep with your head slightly 
inclined to open your airways, or keep your neck straight?

-- Original message -- 
From: "Reece Jennings" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Sleep Apnea is when you stop breathing when you sleep because your throat
muscles
relax. Then your brain wakes you up just enough to get you breathing again.
This cycle
continues all night. You can die. 

CPAP = Continuous Positive Air Pressure. You spend a night in a hospital
sleep center
where they measure the pressure needed to keep your throat open.

Then you're fitted with a machine that gently blows air through your nose
(nose and mouth in
some cases) and down your throat.

Here is the one I use now. I've been using a CPAP since '98. It saved my
life.

http://www.resmed.com/en-us/products/special/s8_and_mirage_swift/s8-and-mira
ge-swift.html?menu=products

The nasal headgear is very comfortable, especially compared to the Aircraft
pilot looking mask I started out with.

You would be surprised at how many people have sleep apnea. And a lot of it
has to do with being overweight.
I used to wear a 19 inch shirt. I lost almost an inch off my neck, and the
pressure needed to keep me breathing
was just reduced.

Maurice Jennings
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From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 2:02 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Doctor Warns Consumers of Popcorn Fumes

i snore sometimes. What's CPAP?

-- Original message -- 
From: "Reece Jennings" mailto:mcjennings124%40yahoo.com>
yahoo.com> 
Look on the bright side, Keith. The popcorn that gets caught 
in the braces doesn't get stuck in your TON-sils! 

Mine were taken in 1970. Way too many strep infections!

Do you snore?

I did, even after that. Diagnosed with OSA (Obstructive Sleep Apnea).
I've been using a CPAP since '98. Saved my life!

Maurice Jennings
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  ups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  ups.com]
On
Behalf Of KeithBJohnson@  comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 12:08 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  ups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Doctor Warns Consumers of Popcorn Fumes

really?? I had no idea that anyone was still doing the skillet-pop route.
That's cool. I don't eat enough popcorn to do that. Give me some of the
deliciour caramel, butter, and cheddar cheese type from The Popcorn Factory,
and I'm an addict, but other than that, no thanks.
One problem is that the popcorn kernels and parts always get caught in my
throat, making me cough and retch. I have extremely large tonsils, about 1/2
inch each, so popcorn and stuff actually gets on them and makes me choke.
And now I have braces (which suck!) so popcorn's basically verboten anyway

-- Original message -- 
From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 aladvantage.com> 

> Me too. I'm not sure why, but that is how we get our home movie popcorn 
> too. 
> 
> Tracey 
> 
> Martin wrote: 
> > 
> > My niece, thirteen-going- on-thirty- five, *loves* the skillet-popped 
> > corn. She'll even willingly pop enough for the entire family. 
> > 
> > KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net wrote: 
> > amen! that's amazi

Re: [scifinoir2] Homeland Security Adviser Dismisses bin Laden as "virtually impotent"

[Bosco Bosco]

I pity the fool who blows up the twin towers??

Hell Yeah!!!

bring on Murdoch and BA Baracus. They certainly couldnt have done
worse.

B
--- Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> Interestingly enough, ³Swordfish² was on this weekend. Misdirection
> is still
> the best trick in this country¹s arsenal. If the whole reason
> behind going
> to war was because this dude was behind 9/11 and we had to take out
> the
> folks he¹d inspired, and now we¹re saying he holds no power -- why
> are we
> still spending billions of dollars on the military again? Saddam¹s
> dead. Bin
> Laden is the middle eastern equivalent of Queen Elizabeth now. Gas
> is still
> 3 bloody dollars a gallon. New Orleans is still a mess. Our
> children are
> still being left behind. What exactly are we DOING?
> 
> I think the people have been going about this all wrong. Saying we
> want the
> troops home is not the way to get this done. The money is still
> spent. No
> WMDs. Nobody caught or held accountable for 9/11. From here on, I¹m
> saying I
> want my money back. We could have hired the surviving members of
> ³The A
> Team² for 1/10th the price and gotten better results than this.
> 
> 
> On 9/10/07 9:00 AM, "Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > 
> > When I saw this story on Yahoo yesterday, I e-mailed t to several
> friends of
> > mine, along with this message.
> > 
> > "It's hard to be potent when you're dead...(pardon the pun)"
> > 
> > I don't care what anyone says to me. The guy in that vid is *not*
> bin Laden,
> > just someone with an uncanny resemblance. bin Laden had serious
> kidney
> > trouble, needed dialysis twice weekly. If he's still getting
> that, then
> > someone has had to have seen him. I thought that there was a $25
> million
> > bounty on his head (my mistake- it's $100 million). Money like
> that will get
> > past a lot of things, even religion, in the eyes of men. No
> takers as yet. Why
> > not?
> > 
> > He's dead. D-E-double-D DEAD.
> > 
> > Bosco Bosco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]  >
> wrote:
> > Keith
> >  
> >  Isn't it possible that if you minimize the threat of Bin Laden
> in the
> >  minds of the people then you can justify increased costs of
> doing
> >  other things besides looking for him, like the Iraq war?
> >  
> >  It's some kind of Orwellian conservo mind game. I'd lay money
> there
> >  were folks behind her telling her to say it for reasons just
> like
> >  that.
> >  
> >  B
> >  --- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   wrote:
> >  
> >>  > Jesus Christ, where does Bush keep finding these idiots?? I
> don't
> >>  > care if bin Laden was *only* capable of putting forth a few
> tapes a
> >>  > year, he's still an ideological danger. Don't care if he's
> tied to
> >>  > a dialysis machine 24/7, if he can't set foot outside his
> cave (or
> >>  > compound, more likely), he can still rally the faithful who
> >>  > subscribe to his beliefs.  Doesn't this idiot lady get the
> root
> >>  > causes of 9/11 and so much of the hatred America faces in the
> >>  > world? Does she not get that pure military might is the least
> of
> >>  > the obstacles we face in the world. Absolutely amazing she
> can make
> >>  > such a dumba** statement
> >>  > 
> >>  > *
> >>  > 
> >>  > Homeland Security Adviser Dismisses bin Laden as "virtually
> >>  > impotent"
> >>  > WASHINGTON - Seemingly taunting Osama bin Laden, President
> Bush's
> >>  > homeland security adviser said Sunday the fugitive al-Qaida
> leader
> >>  > is "virtually impotent" beyond his ability to hide away and
> spread
> >>  > anti-American propaganda.
> >>  > The provocative characterization came just days after bin
> Laden
> >>  > attracted international attention with the release of a video
> in
> >>  > which he ridicules President Bush about the Iraq war and
> reminds
> >>  > the world that he not been captured.
> >>  > Ahead of the sixth anniversary of the Sept. 11 terrorist
> strikes,
> >>  > White House aide Frances Fragos Townsend made a clear attempt
> to
> >>  > diminish the influence _ or the perception _ of the man who
> >>  > masterminded those attacks.
> >>  > "This is about the best he can do," Townsend said of bin
> Laden.
> >>  > "This is a man on a run, from a cave, who's virtually
> impotent
> >>  > other than these tapes."
> >>  > In appearance on two Sunday talk shows, she used the
> "virtually
> >>  > impotent" reference both times, suggesting the language was
> chosen
> >>  > with careful purpose.
> >>  > "We know that al-Qaida is still determined to attack, and we
> take
> >>  > it seriously," Townsend said. "But this tape appears to be
> nothing
> >>  > more than threats. It's propaganda on their part."
> >>  > Townsend was considerably more direct than even Bush in
> rebuking
> >>  > bin Laden. The president responded to bin Laden's tape last
> week by
> >>  > saying it was a reminder that the world is dangerous and that
> Iraq
> >>  > is

Re: [scifinoir2] Homeland Security Adviser Dismisses bin Laden as "virtually impotent"

[Bosco Bosco]

it's not only interesting. It's frightening. Then again everything
about this great disaster has been frightening from the get go.

B
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> You may be right, but ain't that interesting, given that the
> invasion of Iraq was deemed necessary by them in part because of
> the supposed connection to bin Laden and Al quida!
> 
> -- Original message -- 
> From: Bosco Bosco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> Keith
> 
> Isn't it possible that if you minimize the threat of Bin Laden in
> the
> minds of the people then you can justify increased costs of doing
> other things besides looking for him, like the Iraq war?
> 
> It's some kind of Orwellian conservo mind game. I'd lay money there
> were folks behind her telling her to say it for reasons just like
> that.
> 
> B
> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > Jesus Christ, where does Bush keep finding these idiots?? I don't
> > care if bin Laden was *only* capable of putting forth a few tapes
> a
> > year, he's still an ideological danger. Don't care if he's tied
> to
> > a dialysis machine 24/7, if he can't set foot outside his cave
> (or
> > compound, more likely), he can still rally the faithful who
> > subscribe to his beliefs. Doesn't this idiot lady get the root
> > causes of 9/11 and so much of the hatred America faces in the
> > world? Does she not get that pure military might is the least of
> > the obstacles we face in the world. Absolutely amazing she can
> make
> > such a dumba** statement 
> > 
> > *
> > 
> > Homeland Security Adviser Dismisses bin Laden as "virtually
> > impotent"
> > WASHINGTON - Seemingly taunting Osama bin Laden, President Bush's
> > homeland security adviser said Sunday the fugitive al-Qaida
> leader
> > is "virtually impotent" beyond his ability to hide away and
> spread
> > anti-American propaganda.
> > The provocative characterization came just days after bin Laden
> > attracted international attention with the release of a video in
> > which he ridicules President Bush about the Iraq war and reminds
> > the world that he not been captured.
> > Ahead of the sixth anniversary of the Sept. 11 terrorist strikes,
> > White House aide Frances Fragos Townsend made a clear attempt to
> > diminish the influence _ or the perception _ of the man who
> > masterminded those attacks.
> > "This is about the best he can do," Townsend said of bin Laden.
> > "This is a man on a run, from a cave, who's virtually impotent
> > other than these tapes."
> > In appearance on two Sunday talk shows, she used the "virtually
> > impotent" reference both times, suggesting the language was
> chosen
> > with careful purpose.
> > "We know that al-Qaida is still determined to attack, and we take
> > it seriously," Townsend said. "But this tape appears to be
> nothing
> > more than threats. It's propaganda on their part."
> > Townsend was considerably more direct than even Bush in rebuking
> > bin Laden. The president responded to bin Laden's tape last week
> by
> > saying it was a reminder that the world is dangerous and that
> Iraq
> > is part of the war against extremists. He never identified bin
> > Laden by name.
> > The consensus of the nation's top intelligence analysts is that
> bin
> > Laden's terrorist network is anything but impotent.
> > Terrorism experts say the network is regrouping in the lawless
> > Pakistan-Afghanistan border region. The latest National
> > Intelligence Estimate says al-Qaida is growing in strength,
> > intensifying its efforts to put operatives in the United States
> and
> > plotting against U.S. targets that will cause massive casualties.
> > The U.S. is in a "heightened threat environment" and al-Qaida is
> > the most serious threat, the analysts found.
> > The tape was the first time bin Laden had appeared in a new video
> > since 2004. In the recording, bin Laden tells Americans they
> should
> > convert to Islam if they want the war in Iraq to end. He makes no
> > overt threats and does not directly call for attacks.
> > "While he may be physically contained, his influence is not
> bounded
> > by any physical barriers," said Thomas Sanderson, an authority on
> > terrorism at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.
> > "Obviously, in a sense, it does not matter that we've got him
> > trapped in a cave. He has sent forth enough messages to incite
> > violence worldwide against us," he said in an interview Sunday.
> > Townsend said experts are doing a technical analysis, looking for
> > clues about bin Laden's health and whereabouts.
> > "There's nothing overtly obvious in the tape that would suggest
> > this is a trigger for an attack," she said.
> > She emphasized another finding from the intelligence estimate
> > released in July _ that worldwide counterterrorism efforts have
> > constrained the ability of al-Qaida to hit the U.S.
> > "We ought to remember, six years since the tragedy of the
> September
> > 11th, we haven't seen another attack," Towns

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Uhuru

[KeithBJohnson]

no, of  *course* we remember. That's why I said she didn't look like a tomboy!

-- Original message -- 
From: Said Kakese Dibinga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
I guess nobody remembers the shot of Uhuru appearing on the transporter bay in 
the mini-skirt and sports bra-like top combo in "Mirror, Mirror" so sexy, 
so sexy...

Said

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Re: [scifinoir2] Homeland Security Adviser Dismisses bin Laden as "virtually impotent"

[Daryle]

Interestingly enough, ³Swordfish² was on this weekend. Misdirection is still
the best trick in this country¹s arsenal. If the whole reason behind going
to war was because this dude was behind 9/11 and we had to take out the
folks he¹d inspired, and now we¹re saying he holds no power -- why are we
still spending billions of dollars on the military again? Saddam¹s dead. Bin
Laden is the middle eastern equivalent of Queen Elizabeth now. Gas is still
3 bloody dollars a gallon. New Orleans is still a mess. Our children are
still being left behind. What exactly are we DOING?

I think the people have been going about this all wrong. Saying we want the
troops home is not the way to get this done. The money is still spent. No
WMDs. Nobody caught or held accountable for 9/11. From here on, I¹m saying I
want my money back. We could have hired the surviving members of ³The A
Team² for 1/10th the price and gotten better results than this.


On 9/10/07 9:00 AM, "Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  
>  
>  
> 
> When I saw this story on Yahoo yesterday, I e-mailed t to several friends of
> mine, along with this message.
> 
> "It's hard to be potent when you're dead...(pardon the pun)"
> 
> I don't care what anyone says to me. The guy in that vid is *not* bin Laden,
> just someone with an uncanny resemblance. bin Laden had serious kidney
> trouble, needed dialysis twice weekly. If he's still getting that, then
> someone has had to have seen him. I thought that there was a $25 million
> bounty on his head (my mistake- it's $100 million). Money like that will get
> past a lot of things, even religion, in the eyes of men. No takers as yet. Why
> not?
> 
> He's dead. D-E-double-D DEAD.
> 
> Bosco Bosco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]  > wrote:
> Keith
>  
>  Isn't it possible that if you minimize the threat of Bin Laden in the
>  minds of the people then you can justify increased costs of doing
>  other things besides looking for him, like the Iraq war?
>  
>  It's some kind of Orwellian conservo mind game. I'd lay money there
>  were folks behind her telling her to say it for reasons just like
>  that.
>  
>  B
>  --- [EMAIL PROTECTED]   wrote:
>  
>>  > Jesus Christ, where does Bush keep finding these idiots?? I don't
>>  > care if bin Laden was *only* capable of putting forth a few tapes a
>>  > year, he's still an ideological danger. Don't care if he's tied to
>>  > a dialysis machine 24/7, if he can't set foot outside his cave (or
>>  > compound, more likely), he can still rally the faithful who
>>  > subscribe to his beliefs.  Doesn't this idiot lady get the root
>>  > causes of 9/11 and so much of the hatred America faces in the
>>  > world? Does she not get that pure military might is the least of
>>  > the obstacles we face in the world. Absolutely amazing she can make
>>  > such a dumba** statement
>>  > 
>>  > *
>>  > 
>>  > Homeland Security Adviser Dismisses bin Laden as "virtually
>>  > impotent"
>>  > WASHINGTON - Seemingly taunting Osama bin Laden, President Bush's
>>  > homeland security adviser said Sunday the fugitive al-Qaida leader
>>  > is "virtually impotent" beyond his ability to hide away and spread
>>  > anti-American propaganda.
>>  > The provocative characterization came just days after bin Laden
>>  > attracted international attention with the release of a video in
>>  > which he ridicules President Bush about the Iraq war and reminds
>>  > the world that he not been captured.
>>  > Ahead of the sixth anniversary of the Sept. 11 terrorist strikes,
>>  > White House aide Frances Fragos Townsend made a clear attempt to
>>  > diminish the influence _ or the perception _ of the man who
>>  > masterminded those attacks.
>>  > "This is about the best he can do," Townsend said of bin Laden.
>>  > "This is a man on a run, from a cave, who's virtually impotent
>>  > other than these tapes."
>>  > In appearance on two Sunday talk shows, she used the "virtually
>>  > impotent" reference both times, suggesting the language was chosen
>>  > with careful purpose.
>>  > "We know that al-Qaida is still determined to attack, and we take
>>  > it seriously," Townsend said. "But this tape appears to be nothing
>>  > more than threats. It's propaganda on their part."
>>  > Townsend was considerably more direct than even Bush in rebuking
>>  > bin Laden. The president responded to bin Laden's tape last week by
>>  > saying it was a reminder that the world is dangerous and that Iraq
>>  > is part of the war against extremists. He never identified bin
>>  > Laden by name.
>>  > The consensus of the nation's top intelligence analysts is that bin
>>  > Laden's terrorist network is anything but impotent.
>>  > Terrorism experts say the network is regrouping in the lawless
>>  > Pakistan-Afghanistan border region. The latest National
>>  > Intelligence Estimate says al-Qaida is growing in strength,
>>  > intensifying its efforts to put operativ

Re: [scifinoir2] Homeland Security Adviser Dismisses bin Laden as "virtually impotent"

[KeithBJohnson]

You may be right, but ain't that interesting, given that the invasion of Iraq 
was deemed necessary by them in part because of the supposed connection to bin 
Laden and Al quida!

-- Original message -- 
From: Bosco Bosco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Keith

Isn't it possible that if you minimize the threat of Bin Laden in the
minds of the people then you can justify increased costs of doing
other things besides looking for him, like the Iraq war?

It's some kind of Orwellian conservo mind game. I'd lay money there
were folks behind her telling her to say it for reasons just like
that.

B
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Jesus Christ, where does Bush keep finding these idiots?? I don't
> care if bin Laden was *only* capable of putting forth a few tapes a
> year, he's still an ideological danger. Don't care if he's tied to
> a dialysis machine 24/7, if he can't set foot outside his cave (or
> compound, more likely), he can still rally the faithful who
> subscribe to his beliefs. Doesn't this idiot lady get the root
> causes of 9/11 and so much of the hatred America faces in the
> world? Does she not get that pure military might is the least of
> the obstacles we face in the world. Absolutely amazing she can make
> such a dumba** statement 
> 
> *
> 
> Homeland Security Adviser Dismisses bin Laden as "virtually
> impotent"
> WASHINGTON - Seemingly taunting Osama bin Laden, President Bush's
> homeland security adviser said Sunday the fugitive al-Qaida leader
> is "virtually impotent" beyond his ability to hide away and spread
> anti-American propaganda.
> The provocative characterization came just days after bin Laden
> attracted international attention with the release of a video in
> which he ridicules President Bush about the Iraq war and reminds
> the world that he not been captured.
> Ahead of the sixth anniversary of the Sept. 11 terrorist strikes,
> White House aide Frances Fragos Townsend made a clear attempt to
> diminish the influence _ or the perception _ of the man who
> masterminded those attacks.
> "This is about the best he can do," Townsend said of bin Laden.
> "This is a man on a run, from a cave, who's virtually impotent
> other than these tapes."
> In appearance on two Sunday talk shows, she used the "virtually
> impotent" reference both times, suggesting the language was chosen
> with careful purpose.
> "We know that al-Qaida is still determined to attack, and we take
> it seriously," Townsend said. "But this tape appears to be nothing
> more than threats. It's propaganda on their part."
> Townsend was considerably more direct than even Bush in rebuking
> bin Laden. The president responded to bin Laden's tape last week by
> saying it was a reminder that the world is dangerous and that Iraq
> is part of the war against extremists. He never identified bin
> Laden by name.
> The consensus of the nation's top intelligence analysts is that bin
> Laden's terrorist network is anything but impotent.
> Terrorism experts say the network is regrouping in the lawless
> Pakistan-Afghanistan border region. The latest National
> Intelligence Estimate says al-Qaida is growing in strength,
> intensifying its efforts to put operatives in the United States and
> plotting against U.S. targets that will cause massive casualties.
> The U.S. is in a "heightened threat environment" and al-Qaida is
> the most serious threat, the analysts found.
> The tape was the first time bin Laden had appeared in a new video
> since 2004. In the recording, bin Laden tells Americans they should
> convert to Islam if they want the war in Iraq to end. He makes no
> overt threats and does not directly call for attacks.
> "While he may be physically contained, his influence is not bounded
> by any physical barriers," said Thomas Sanderson, an authority on
> terrorism at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.
> "Obviously, in a sense, it does not matter that we've got him
> trapped in a cave. He has sent forth enough messages to incite
> violence worldwide against us," he said in an interview Sunday.
> Townsend said experts are doing a technical analysis, looking for
> clues about bin Laden's health and whereabouts.
> "There's nothing overtly obvious in the tape that would suggest
> this is a trigger for an attack," she said.
> She emphasized another finding from the intelligence estimate
> released in July _ that worldwide counterterrorism efforts have
> constrained the ability of al-Qaida to hit the U.S.
> "We ought to remember, six years since the tragedy of the September
> 11th, we haven't seen another attack," Townsend said.
> More than 3,000 people died on that day in 2001, the worst
> terrorist attack in U.S. history. Tuesday's anniversary has renewed
> questions about whether the country is safer today.
> "Six years later, we are safer in a narrow sense: We have not been
> attacked, and our defenses are better," wrote the chairmen of the
> independent Sept. 11 commission, Tho

RE: [scifinoir2] Doctor Warns Consumers of Popcorn Fumes

[KeithBJohnson]

ha-ha! I agree with you. Besides, if the world ever falls into chaos and 
anarchy (like in a bad Van Damme post-apocalyptic movie) I don't want to be 
wandering around wastelands only able to eat veggies. This way, even eating a 
relatively small amount of meat, I keep the body chemistry in a state where it 
can digest meat. My friend who's been vegetarian would probably throw up and 
dang near go into shock if he ate meat at this point

-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Because my lifestyle changes so often and I never know where I'll be until I 
establish a place for myself, I prefer to keep my diet versatile...meat is a 
better source of protein and you have to comsume less to get the same results 
from a vegan diet...I think the whole key is to stay as far away from the 
processed stuff as possible. The closer your food is to the way it was when it 
came off the tree, root or beast, the healthier is will be for you...(I see 
your desserts slipping away from you, Keith!)

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, you're right. Don't worry, I'm taking it 
slowly. It's why I'm still "mostly vegetarian". I weigh about 200 pounds, stand 
6'1", and work out 5 -6 days a week (three days of muscle strengthening/toning, 
three of aerobics, two days of Power Yoga thrown in). So it's important for me 
to get proper iron, calcium, and protein, etc. Fortunately, I seem to be 
engineered to get a great deal of nutrition from vegetables (see recent 
conversations about blood type and what's best for ABs like me). I'm starting 
into research on better foods for me, so I figure in about 2 -3 years, I may 
make the move.

-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer 
Make sure you find a balance in that lifestyle...I've seen some get sick after 
changing over... 

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
ditto, for now, though I see "vegan" in my future...

-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer 
Hey, I'm a proud omnivore...I'll just take my chances and not overindulge...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thanks. I keep feeling the pull to become a full 
vegetarian, but I keep refusing to yield, so I have to practice the moderation. 
And we all know about my ice cream addiction...

-- Original message -- 
From: "Reece Jennings" 
Keith, you said a MOUTHful, and boiled it right down to this:

It's all about the moderation.

VERY well-said! 

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-Original Message-
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 10:48 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Doctor Warns Consumers of Popcorn Fumes

Agreed. Remember the days of homemade frozen Kool-Aid pops, cheese
sandwiches, simple toast made in a skillet? Nothing beats that. I don't
think anything can replace the good old-fashioned ways of cooking and making
things. A lot of the packaged food we buy might be convenient, but they're
not better. In fact, as I get older and spend more time looking into
nutrition and fitness, i find myself going back to the old-fashioned things
more. I've always been of the mind to eat food in moderation more than to
cut out any one food. (For example, I'm a "mostly vegetarian", but havent'
yet made the jump to full vegetarian). Butter, red meat, fried food,
sugar--all are bad for you in excess, but any of it can be enjoyed in small
amounts. One hamburger a month isnt going to kill you. And frankly, a little
greasy fried food here and there isn't going to kill you either--in
moderation! I'm more and more starting to think that all the substitutes,
artificial sweeteners, butter substitutes, etc.
, might be worse in the long run, since we think they're safe and eat more
of them than we might the "bad" stuff. For example, remember when margarine
was deemed safer than butter? Now they say between the two, butter's better.
And the studies showing that Nutrasweet and Equal are bad for you won't go
away. There's also a matter of taste. Some substitutes simply don't taste
that good. So, rather than consume two sodas a day full of aritificial
sweeteners, I may have one real soda a week, a Jarrito's sweetened with real
sugar.

It's all about the moderation.

-- Original message --
From: "Reece Jennings" Note the dates. They've
known for years. I got rid of my microwave oven a couple of years ago for
other reasons. I used to eat a couple of bags a week...

http://www.osha.gov/dts/chemicalsampling/data/CH_231710.html#general

Health Factors 

Potential symptoms: Eye, mucous membrane, respiratory system, skin
irritation; persistent cough, phlegm production, wheezing, dyspnea
(shortness of breath); unusual fatigue; episodes of mild fever or
g

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Uhuru

[Martin]

Said, *that* is one of fifteen things I'll remember when I can't remember to 
get up and go to the bathroom...

Said Kakese Dibinga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   I 
guess nobody remembers the shot of Uhuru appearing on the transporter bay in 
the mini-skirt and sports bra-like top combo in "Mirror, Mirror" so sexy, 
so sexy...
 
 Said
 
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: See what 50 years will do...

[Martin]

More than welcome.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: gee, thanks. much appreciated...

-- Original message -- 
From: Martin  
Exactly. Like I'm always telling a dear friend of mine, I'm here to learn in 
this life, and you teach me something almost daily, Keith.

Astromancer  wrote: Plus, you're actually saying something...I've been in 
conversations that when on and on when a few sentences would have sufficed...

Martin  wrote: Keith, if he were alive, I'd introduce you to one of my college 
physics professors, Doctor Davenport. Now *he* was long-winded! You're the soul 
of brevity in comparison.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Y'all are quite welcome. I know it's a lot of info, 
but better too much than too little. Besides, I'm long-winded (as if you 
haven't already guessed!)

-- Original message -- 
From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" 
Ditto!!! Thanks - we just got a linksys router

Tracey

Astromancer wrote:
>
> Great! Thanks for the info, Keith!
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
> Funny! Password protecting the wireless is good. There are a few more 
> steps you can do to secure the network, if you haven't already:
>
> * Change the SSID (Security Set ID, the "network name"). This should 
> have been the first thing you did. The router usually comes with an 
> SSID that's extremely generic, like "Linksys" or "Netgear". Change it 
> to something completely different.
>
> * Don't broadcast the SSID - by default, WAPs (Wireless Access Points) 
> typically broadcast the SSID name you select, basically saying "Here I 
> am!" Anyone in the area who chooses the "Search for available wireless 
> networks" option on their computer will then see your wireless network 
> name displayed. Even if no one can connect to it due to password 
> security, why even make it visible? You can set it so the SSID isn't 
> broadcast by the WAP. You'll then need to configure each client in 
> your home with the SSID and tell it to look specifically for the WAP, 
> using that name.
>
> * Limit access to the WAP based on MAC address. The MAC (Media Access 
> Control) address is unique for every network card in the world. It's a 
> twelve-character hexadecimal number indentifying each card. Set up 
> your WAP so that it only responds to the MAC addresses of your 
> computers. This will make it harder for hackers to access, unless they 
> can somehow spoof (fake) the MAC address of the computer they're 
> using, making it seem as if their computer has the same MAC address of 
> one of yours--unlikely, though. And if even they do, if you're on at 
> the time, the WAP won't let a second client with the same MAC address 
> get on. May take a little time to find the MAC address for each 
> computer (it's on the card or can be found through Windows), but worth 
> the security.
>
> * Limit access to the WAP based on IP Address -- not nearly as secure 
> as MAC, because all home networks use the same basic IP addressing 
> schemes, something like 192.168.0.x, or 192.168.1.x. Spoofing these 
> common address is very easy for hackers, but, if you limit the number 
> of acceptable IP addresses, it helps. What I do is first set my 
> router's DHCP setting to "static", meaning the router no longer hands 
> out IP addresses to any client that requests one. I then set as many 
> static (non-changing) IP addresses as I need (one for each computer 
> that will be on the network), and then tell the WAP to *only* allow 
> those set IP addresses access. So, let's say I'm on the wireless, and 
> my laptop's IP address is 192.168.0.12. Extremely common and easy to 
> spoof, but if a hacker tries to use the address, my WAP will say 
> "Sorry, that address is already used, and i can't accept another 
> client with it". Also, since it won't hand out any more addresses, the 
> hacker's out of luck. Not the
> best, again
> , but every little bit helps.
>
> * Turn everything off when you're away - amazing how the simple stuff 
> is often the best! :) But if you're going to be away all day or on a 
> long trip, simply shut the WAP, cable/DSL, and home PCs down. Nothing 
> on, nothing to hack.
>
> The following might not apply to you, but to some others on the list
>
> * If using the older WEP (Wired Equivalent Privacy), change your 
> security keys periodically. Frankly, I haven't changed mine in a year, 
> but you should change the keys at least once a quarter (better 
> paranoid than hacked) . Since you're using a password/passphrase, I'm 
> assuming you must be using the newer WPA (Wi-Fi Protected Access) 
> technology. But many people might have newer WAPs, but older wireless 
> cards that can't use WPA; or, they simply are still using wireless 
> stuff from four or five years ago that use WEP only. In that case, 
> there is a security key, which should be changed. periodically.
>
> * Use the heaviest encryption possible if using WEP. The security key 
> can have 64-bit, 128-bit, or 156-bit encryption (depen

Re: [scifinoir2] Homeland Security Adviser Dismisses bin Laden as "virtually impotent"

[Martin]

When I saw this story on Yahoo yesterday, I e-mailed t to several friends of 
mine, along with this message.

"It's hard to be potent when you're dead...(pardon the pun)"

I don't care what anyone says to me. The guy in that vid is *not* bin Laden, 
just someone with an uncanny resemblance. bin Laden had serious kidney trouble, 
needed dialysis twice weekly. If he's still getting that, then someone has had 
to have seen him. I thought that there was a $25 million bounty on his head (my 
mistake- it's $100 million). Money like that will get past a lot of things, 
even religion, in the eyes of men. No takers as yet. Why not?

He's dead. D-E-double-D DEAD.

Bosco Bosco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   Keith
 
 Isn't it possible that if you minimize the threat of Bin Laden in the
 minds of the people then you can justify increased costs of doing
 other things besides looking for him, like the Iraq war?
 
 It's some kind of Orwellian conservo mind game. I'd lay money there
 were folks behind her telling her to say it for reasons just like
 that.
 
 B
 --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 > Jesus Christ, where does Bush keep finding these idiots?? I don't
 > care if bin Laden was *only* capable of putting forth a few tapes a
 > year, he's still an ideological danger. Don't care if he's tied to
 > a dialysis machine 24/7, if he can't set foot outside his cave (or
 > compound, more likely), he can still rally the faithful who
 > subscribe to his beliefs.  Doesn't this idiot lady get the root
 > causes of 9/11 and so much of the hatred America faces in the
 > world? Does she not get that pure military might is the least of
 > the obstacles we face in the world. Absolutely amazing she can make
 > such a dumba** statement  
 > 
 > *
 > 
 > Homeland Security Adviser Dismisses bin Laden as "virtually
 > impotent"
 > WASHINGTON - Seemingly taunting Osama bin Laden, President Bush's
 > homeland security adviser said Sunday the fugitive al-Qaida leader
 > is "virtually impotent" beyond his ability to hide away and spread
 > anti-American propaganda.
 > The provocative characterization came just days after bin Laden
 > attracted international attention with the release of a video in
 > which he ridicules President Bush about the Iraq war and reminds
 > the world that he not been captured.
 > Ahead of the sixth anniversary of the Sept. 11 terrorist strikes,
 > White House aide Frances Fragos Townsend made a clear attempt to
 > diminish the influence _ or the perception _ of the man who
 > masterminded those attacks.
 > "This is about the best he can do," Townsend said of bin Laden.
 > "This is a man on a run, from a cave, who's virtually impotent
 > other than these tapes."
 > In appearance on two Sunday talk shows, she used the "virtually
 > impotent" reference both times, suggesting the language was chosen
 > with careful purpose.
 > "We know that al-Qaida is still determined to attack, and we take
 > it seriously," Townsend said. "But this tape appears to be nothing
 > more than threats. It's propaganda on their part."
 > Townsend was considerably more direct than even Bush in rebuking
 > bin Laden. The president responded to bin Laden's tape last week by
 > saying it was a reminder that the world is dangerous and that Iraq
 > is part of the war against extremists. He never identified bin
 > Laden by name.
 > The consensus of the nation's top intelligence analysts is that bin
 > Laden's terrorist network is anything but impotent.
 > Terrorism experts say the network is regrouping in the lawless
 > Pakistan-Afghanistan border region. The latest National
 > Intelligence Estimate says al-Qaida is growing in strength,
 > intensifying its efforts to put operatives in the United States and
 > plotting against U.S. targets that will cause massive casualties.
 > The U.S. is in a "heightened threat environment" and al-Qaida is
 > the most serious threat, the analysts found.
 > The tape was the first time bin Laden had appeared in a new video
 > since 2004. In the recording, bin Laden tells Americans they should
 > convert to Islam if they want the war in Iraq to end. He makes no
 > overt threats and does not directly call for attacks.
 > "While he may be physically contained, his influence is not bounded
 > by any physical barriers," said Thomas Sanderson, an authority on
 > terrorism at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.
 > "Obviously, in a sense, it does not matter that we've got him
 > trapped in a cave. He has sent forth enough messages to incite
 > violence worldwide against us," he said in an interview Sunday.
 > Townsend said experts are doing a technical analysis, looking for
 > clues about bin Laden's health and whereabouts.
 > "There's nothing overtly obvious in the tape that would suggest
 > this is a trigger for an attack," she said.
 > She emphasized another finding from the intelligence estimate
 > released in July _ that worldwide counterterrorism efforts 

Re: [scifinoir2] Mali's Farmers Discover a Weed's Potential Power

[Martin]

Anything that can wean us off Big Oil is welcome news indeed, Amy.

Amy1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Some rare good news.
  
  
 
 --
 
 September 9, 2007
 Mali's Farmers Discover a Weed's Potential Power 
 By LYDIA POLGREEN
 KOULIKORO, Mali - When Suleiman Diarra Banani's brother said that the 
poisonous black seeds dropping from the seemingly worthless weed that had grown 
around his family farm for decades could be used to run a generator, or even a 
car, Mr. Banani did not believe him. When he suggested that they intersperse 
the plant, until now used as a natural fence between rows of their regular 
crops - edible millet, peanuts, corn and beans - he thought his older brother, 
Dadjo, was crazy. 
 
 "I thought it was a plant for old ladies to make soap," he said.
 
 But now that a plant called jatropha is being hailed by scientists and policy 
makers as a potentially ideal source of biofuel, a plant that can grow in 
marginal soil or beside food crops, that does not require a lot of fertilizer 
and yields many times as much biofuel per acre planted as corn and many other 
potential biofuels. By planting a row of jatropha for every seven rows of 
regular crops, Mr. Banani could double his income on the field in the first 
year and lose none of his usual yield from his field. 
 
 Poor farmers living on a wide band of land on both sides of the equator are 
planting it on millions of acres, hoping to turn their rockiest, most 
unproductive fields into a biofuel boom. They are spurred on by big oil 
companies like BP and the British biofuel giant D1 Oils, which are investing 
millions of dollars in jatropha cultivation. 
 
 Countries like India, China, the Philippines and Malaysia are starting huge 
plantations, betting that jatropha will help them to become more energy 
independent and even export biofuel. It is too soon to say whether jatropha 
will be viable as a commercial biofuel, scientists say, and farmers in India 
are already expressing frustration that after being encouraged to plant huge 
swaths of the bush they have found no buyers for the seeds. 
 
 But here in Mali, one of the poorest nations on earth, a number of small-scale 
projects aimed at solving local problems - the lack of electricity and rural 
poverty - are blossoming across the country to use the existing supply of 
jatropha to fuel specially modified generators in villages far off the 
electrical grid. 
 
 "We are focused on solving our own energy problems and reducing poverty," said 
Aboubacar Samaké, director of a government project aimed at promoting renewable 
energy. "If it helps the world, that is good, too."
 
 Jatropha originated in Central America and is believed to have been spread 
around the world by Portuguese explorers. In Mali, a landlocked former French 
colony, it has been used for decades by farmers as a living fence that keeps 
grazing animals off their fields - the smell and the taste of the plant repel 
grazing animals - and a guard against erosion, keeping rich topsoil from being 
blown away by the harsh Sahel winds. The Royal Tropical Institute, a nonprofit 
research institution in Amsterdam that has been working to develop jatropha as 
a commercial biofuel, estimates that there are 22,000 linear kilometers, or 
more than 13,000 miles, of the bush in Mali. 
 
 Jatropha's proponents say it avoids the major pitfalls of other biofuels, 
which pose significant environmental and social risks. Places that struggle to 
feed their populations, like Mali and the rest of the arid Sahel region, can 
scarcely afford to give up cultivable land for growing biofuel crops. Other 
potential biofuels, like palm oil, have encountered resistance by 
environmentalists because plantations have encroached on rain forests and other 
natural habitats. 
 
 But jatropha can grow on virtually barren land with relatively little 
rainfall, so it can be planted in places where food does not grow well. It can 
also be planted beside other crops farmers grow here, like millet, peanuts and 
beans, without substantially reducing the yield of the fields; it may even help 
improve output of food crops by, among other things, preventing erosion and 
keeping animals out. 
 
 Other biofuels like ethanol from corn and sugar cane require large amounts of 
water and fertilizer, and factory farming in some cases consumes substantial 
amounts of petroleum, making the environmental benefits limited, critics say. 
But jatropha requires no pesticides, Mr. Samaké said, little water other than 
rain and no fertilizer beyond the nutrient-rich seed cake left after oil is 
pressed from its nuts.
 
 The plant is promising enough that companies across the world are looking at 
planting millions of acres of jatropha in the next few years, in places as far 
flung as Brazil, China, India and Swaziland. A company based in Singapore has 
announced plans to pl

[scifinoir2] Mali's Farmers Discover a Weed's Potential Power

[Amy1]

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Some rare good news.
 
 




September 9, 2007
Mali's Farmers Discover a Weed's Potential Power 
By LYDIA POLGREEN
KOULIKORO, Mali - When Suleiman Diarra Banani's brother said that the poisonous 
black seeds dropping from the seemingly worthless weed that had grown around 
his family farm for decades could be used to run a generator, or even a car, 
Mr. Banani did not believe him. When he suggested that they intersperse the 
plant, until now used as a natural fence between rows of their regular crops - 
edible millet, peanuts, corn and beans - he thought his older brother, Dadjo, 
was crazy. 

"I thought it was a plant for old ladies to make soap," he said.

But now that a plant called jatropha is being hailed by scientists and policy 
makers as a potentially ideal source of biofuel, a plant that can grow in 
marginal soil or beside food crops, that does not require a lot of fertilizer 
and yields many times as much biofuel per acre planted as corn and many other 
potential biofuels. By planting a row of jatropha for every seven rows of 
regular crops, Mr. Banani could double his income on the field in the first 
year and lose none of his usual yield from his field. 

Poor farmers living on a wide band of land on both sides of the equator are 
planting it on millions of acres, hoping to turn their rockiest, most 
unproductive fields into a biofuel boom. They are spurred on by big oil 
companies like BP and the British biofuel giant D1 Oils, which are investing 
millions of dollars in jatropha cultivation. 

Countries like India, China, the Philippines and Malaysia are starting huge 
plantations, betting that jatropha will help them to become more energy 
independent and even export biofuel. It is too soon to say whether jatropha 
will be viable as a commercial biofuel, scientists say, and farmers in India 
are already expressing frustration that after being encouraged to plant huge 
swaths of the bush they have found no buyers for the seeds. 

But here in Mali, one of the poorest nations on earth, a number of small-scale 
projects aimed at solving local problems - the lack of electricity and rural 
poverty - are blossoming across the country to use the existing supply of 
jatropha to fuel specially modified generators in villages far off the 
electrical grid. 

"We are focused on solving our own energy problems and reducing poverty," said 
Aboubacar Samaké, director of a government project aimed at promoting renewable 
energy. "If it helps the world, that is good, too."

Jatropha originated in Central America and is believed to have been spread 
around the world by Portuguese explorers. In Mali, a landlocked former French 
colony, it has been used for decades by farmers as a living fence that keeps 
grazing animals off their fields - the smell and the taste of the plant repel 
grazing animals - and a guard against erosion, keeping rich topsoil from being 
blown away by the harsh Sahel winds. The Royal Tropical Institute, a nonprofit 
research institution in Amsterdam that has been working to develop jatropha as 
a commercial biofuel, estimates that there are 22,000 linear kilometers, or 
more than 13,000 miles, of the bush in Mali. 

Jatropha's proponents say it avoids the major pitfalls of other biofuels, which 
pose significant environmental and social risks. Places that struggle to feed 
their populations, like Mali and the rest of the arid Sahel region, can 
scarcely afford to give up cultivable land for growing biofuel crops. Other 
potential biofuels, like palm oil, have encountered resistance by 
environmentalists because plantations have encroached on rain forests and other 
natural habitats. 

But jatropha can grow on virtually barren land with relatively little rainfall, 
so it can be planted in places where food does not grow well. It can also be 
planted beside other crops farmers grow here, like millet, peanuts and beans, 
without substantially reducing the yield of the fields; it may even help 
improve output of food crops by, among other things, preventing erosion and 
keeping animals out. 

Other biofuels like ethanol from corn and sugar cane require large amounts of 
water and fertilizer, and factory farming in some cases consumes substantial 
amounts of petroleum, making the environmental benefits limited, critics say. 
But jatropha requires no pesticides, Mr. Samaké said, little water other than 
rain and no fertilizer beyond the nutrient-rich seed cake left after oil is 
pressed from its nuts.

The plant is promising enough that companies across the world are looking at 
planting millions of acres of jatropha in the next few years, in places as far 
flung as Brazil, China, India and Swaziland. A company based in Singapore has 
announced plans to plant two million hectares, about 4.9 million acres, of 
jatropha in the Philippines. 

Here in Mali, a Dutch entrepreneur, Hugo Verkuijl, has