Re: [scifinoir2] Torchwood Premier Anyone?

[Astromancer]

I had no idea what he was talking about...I just threw it out there

"Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  
I like that. I never thought of them as automated call systems. Funny :)

Martin wrote:
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> LMNAO, pal!!!
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> Gymfig, I think you're referring to Daleks, the Ultimate Racists. In 
> their eyes, anything that isn't Dalek deserves to be wiped out.
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> Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: 
> The automated call systems...
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote: What are those 
> creatures in the machines that talk in a mechanical voice?
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: My Take - "3:10 to Yuma"

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

I don't know if it is the best, but one of my favorites is Sam Raimi's 
Spaghetti Western Tribute, " The Quick and the Dead, starring some great 
talent including: Gene Hackman, Russell Crowe, Leonardo DiCaprio, Sharon 
Stone, Tobin Bell, Keith David, Lance Henriksen and Gary Sinise

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> You're quite welcome. I thoroughly enjoyed it. In fact, I'd enjoy seeing it 
> again. The best Western since "Unforgiven"? It might be, if only because 
> there have been so few released at the American theatre since then. "Open 
> Range" is very good, but it's much more slowly paced and nuanced.
>
> I'm trying to think of Westerns released here since "Unforgiven" in '92. 
> There was Tombstone (good moments but not the greatest overall), "Posse" 
> (ditto, though give Van Peebles credit for bringing Blacks to the Western), 
> Gang of Roses (horrible, horrible Western with Stacey Dash, Bobby Brown, Li'l 
> Kim--need I say more?), Wild Wild West (disjointed remake with Will Smith, 
> not worth the time). Then there are films taking place in modern times with 
> Western-like themes or settings like "Extreme Prejudice" (Nick Nolte film, 
> pretty good), "Lone Star" (from master John Sayles), and Robert Rodriguez's 
> movies with Antonio Banderas. 
>
> Hmmm...looking at the list, it's possible Yuma might be the best Western 
> released in American theatre since "Unforgiven", but the competition is very 
> spare...Of course I'm omitting TV films/miniseries/series like "Lonesome 
> Dove", which had a second miniseries and a full series released after 
> "Unforgiven".
>
> -- Original message -- 
> From: "g123curious" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> Thanks for the plot summary. The plot sounds like the reverse of 
> _High Noon_ (1952 with Gary Cooper in the lead)... getting the bad 
> guy to the train instead of the bad guy getting off the train.
>
> Is this film truly the best western since Eastwood's _Unforgiven_?
>
> George
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>   
>> Summary: Down-on-his-luck Rancher Dan Evans undertakes a dangerous 
>> 
> mission, joining a group of men taking outlaw Ben Wade to prison. 
> They must survive Indians, others out to get Wade, and Wade's own 
> gang in order to get him on the 3:10 train to Yuma.
>   
>> My Quick Take: This is a fun, exciting movie in the tradition of 
>> 
> old Westerns. There are bad guys, good (or not-so-bad) guys, and lots 
> of action. Plenty of chases and gunfights, even a few explosions. 
> Russell Crowe as always is a captivating presence, dominating the 
> screen and the scene. Christian Bale--almost a chameleon of an actor--
> gets into his role as the desperate rancher. Good supporting cast, 
> great cinematography and camera work, pulse-pounding music. Did I 
> mention the gunfights? And the horse chases? Really enjoyed this 
> pic. 
>   
>> My Full Take: At its core, the Western is a morality tale, the 
>> 
> story of a basically good man struggling against sinister forces 
> while remaining true to what's right. What those forces are—evil land 
> barons, gunfighters, Mother Nature—is less important than the 
> struggle the hero undertakes to overcome them. When others abandon 
> him—even when he doubts himself—the hero stands alone, fighting to 
> the end. 
>   
>> Rancher Dan Evans (Christian Bale) is such a man. Dan can barely 
>> 
> hold his family together, battling drought, his younger son's 
> tuberculosis, a land owner to whom he's heavily in debt, and his own 
> physical limitations (having lost part of a leg in the Civil War). 
> Dan can't even muster the energy to rebuke his oldest son's 
> increasingly critical and disrespectful remarks, because they echo 
> his own self-doubts. Dan feels his wife slowly slipping away from 
> him, which only feeds his own growing desperation. Things get worse 
> when the land owner's men burn down his barn and drive his cattle 
> away as a warning to pay up or get out. 
>   
>> As Dan and his boys later go to fetch the herd, they see in the 
>> 
> distance a heist in progress. The infamous Ben Wade (Russell Crowe) 
> and his gang are attacking a stagecoach. A real menace, Wade has 
> committed over twenty heists, costing hundreds of thousands of 
> dollars and the lives of dozens of men. In short order, Wade's gang 
> has killed everyone and stolen the money. The sequence is thrilling, 
> full of hyperkinetic energy as pursuers and the pursued engage in a 
> desperate chase, horses galloping like mad, grizzled, hard-looking 
> men cursing and yelling as they release a barrage of bullets. The 
> whole scene is shot with frenetic close ups and gorgeous long pans, 
> and driven by a musical score that heightens the action. Who needs a 
> car chase?
>   
>> Later, when Wade is captured, Dan agrees to accompany the party 
>> 
> taking Wade to catch the 3:10 train to Yuma prison—a desperate move 
> motivated by the money he'll receive for th

Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Six arrested, charged in woman's weeklong torture

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

More on this story...
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=14307118&sc=emaf

/BIG CREEK, W.Va./ September 12, 2007, 11:23 p.m. ET · Authorities 
decided Wednesday not to pursue hate crime charges in the kidnapping and 
weeklong torture of a black woman, instead going after the suspects, who 
are white, on state charges that carry stiffer penalties.

While federal civil rights or state hate crime charges remain an option, 
a state kidnapping count that carries a sentence of up to life in prison 
will provide the best chance for successful prosecution, officials said.

"As a practical matter, sentenced to life, what else can be done?" U.S. 
Attorney Charles T. Miller told The Associated Press.

Six people face charges, including kidnapping, sexual assault and lying 
to police in the torture of Megan Williams, 20, at a remote hillside 
home in Big Creek.

State hate crime charges, which carry a sentence of 10 years, could come 
later, prosecutor Brian Abraham said. State sexual assault charges carry 
a penalty up to 35 years in prison.

The woman's captors forced her to eat rat droppings, choked her with a 
cable cord and stabbed her in the leg while calling her a racial slur, 
according to criminal complaints. They also poured hot water over her, 
made her drink from a toilet, and beat and sexually assaulted her during 
a span of about a week, the documents say.

Williams was not a random target, prosecutor Brian Abraham said 
Wednesday. She had a "social relationship" with one of the suspects, he 
said.

The Associated Press generally does not identify suspected victims of 
sexual assault, but Williams and her mother, Carmen Williams, agreed to 
release her name. Carmen Williams said she wanted people to know what 
her daughter had endured.

At one point, a suspect cut the woman's ankle with a knife and used the 
N-word in telling her she was victimized because she is black, according 
to the complaints.

It wasn't until an anonymous tip led Logan County sheriff's deputies to 
the property on Saturday that her ordeal ended, authorities said. She 
limped toward the deputies, her arms outstretched as she cried, "Help 
me," officials said.

Williams remained hospitalized Wednesday in Charleston. The hospital 
declined to release any information about her condition.

The victim had a previous relationship with Bobby Brewster, one of the 
six in custody, Abraham said. He was charged in July with domestic 
battery and assault after a domestic dispute involving the same woman.

"She obviously had some sort of social relationship," Abraham said. 
"That is based on the fact that she was present at his residence on a 
prior date."

The suspects have arrest records going back several years, according to 
records from Logan County Magistrate Court, and Abraham said was he 
familiar with all of them.

"Most of the charges are minor things," Abraham said. "Basically on 
weekends they get in trouble and by the middle of the week they make up 
with each other."

Since 1991, police have filed 108 criminal charges against the six.

Brewster's mother, Frankie Brewster, 49, faced the most serious charges 
among them. She was charged in 1994 with first-degree murder but pleaded 
guilty to manslaughter and wanton endangerment. She was released from 
prison in 2000 after serving five years in the death of an 84-year-old 
woman, court records show.

In Williams' case, Frankie Brewster is charged with kidnapping, sexual 
assault, malicious wounding and giving false information during a felony 
investigation.

Bobby Brewster, 24, also of Big Creek, is charged with kidnapping, 
sexual assault, malicious wounding and assault during the commission of 
a felony.

In March, Brewster was accused in criminal complaints of attacking his 
mother with a machete at her home, according to court records. The 
outcome of those charges — domestic assault, brandishing a deadly weapon 
and obstructing an officer — was not immediately clear.

Danny J. Combs, 20, of Harts, is charged with sexual assault and 
malicious wounding. Karen Burton, 46, of Chapmanville, was charged with 
malicious wounding, battery and assault during the commission of a felony.

Burton's daughter, Alisha Burton, 23, and George A. Messer, 27, both of 
Chapmanville, are charged with assault during the commission of a felony 
and battery. She previously faced charges of assault during the 
commission of a felony and battery; in May, she was accused of striking 
Messer with a shovel and smashing the window of a woman's car. The 
charges are pending.

All six remained in custody Wednesday in lieu of $100,000 cash bail 
each. Bobby Brewster is scheduled to appear before a Logan County 
Circuit Court judge on Monday to be arraigned on the kidnapping charge, 
according to court records. A date for his mother's appearance on the 
kidnapping charge has not yet been set.

Public defender Dwyane Adkins, appointed to represent Bobby Brewster, 
and public defender Betty Gre

[scifinoir2] Re: My Take - "3:10 to Yuma" and the Ostern

[KeithBJohnson]

Wow. I was doing some research on the American Western to see what I could 
find. I know the number released in America is very small in the last few 
years, so turned to the Web to get some info. Found this entry from Wikipedia, 
which is a serious trip. The Ostern Who knew Stalin was a fan???
   
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_%28genre%29
Ostern

Main article: Ostern  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostern

Westerns from the United States were popular in Communist countries, and were a 
particular favorite of Joseph Stalin. An entire genre of "Red Western" or 
"Ostern" films developed in Eastern Europe. These films usually portrayed the 
American Indians sympathetically, as oppressed people fighting for their 
rights, in contrast to American westerns of the time, which frequently 
portrayed the Indians as villains. They frequently featured Yugoslavians or 
Turkic people in the role of the Indians, due to the shortage of authentic 
Indians in Eastern Europe.

Gojko Mitiæ is famous for his portrayals of righteous, kindhearted and charming 
Indian chiefs ("Die Söhne der großen Bärin" directed by Josef Mach). He became 
honorary chief of the tribe of Sioux when he visited the United States of 
America in the 90s and the television crew accompanying him showed the tribe 
one his movies. American actor and singer Dean Reed, an expatriate who lived in 
East Germany, also starred in several films.


-- Original message -- 
From: "g123curious" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Thanks for the plot summary. The plot sounds like the reverse of 
_High Noon_ (1952 with Gary Cooper in the lead)... getting the bad 
guy to the train instead of the bad guy getting off the train.

Is this film truly the best western since Eastwood's _Unforgiven_?

George

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Summary: Down-on-his-luck Rancher Dan Evans undertakes a dangerous 
mission, joining a group of men taking outlaw Ben Wade to prison. 
They must survive Indians, others out to get Wade, and Wade's own 
gang in order to get him on the 3:10 train to Yuma.
> 
> My Quick Take: This is a fun, exciting movie in the tradition of 
old Westerns. There are bad guys, good (or not-so-bad) guys, and lots 
of action. Plenty of chases and gunfights, even a few explosions. 
Russell Crowe as always is a captivating presence, dominating the 
screen and the scene. Christian Bale--almost a chameleon of an actor--
gets into his role as the desperate rancher. Good supporting cast, 
great cinematography and camera work, pulse-pounding music. Did I 
mention the gunfights? And the horse chases? Really enjoyed this 
pic. 
> 
> My Full Take: At its core, the Western is a morality tale, the 
story of a basically good man struggling against sinister forces 
while remaining true to what's right. What those forces are—evil land 
barons, gunfighters, Mother Nature—is less important than the 
struggle the hero undertakes to overcome them. When others abandon 
him—even when he doubts himself—the hero stands alone, fighting to 
the end. 
> 
> Rancher Dan Evans (Christian Bale) is such a man. Dan can barely 
hold his family together, battling drought, his younger son's 
tuberculosis, a land owner to whom he's heavily in debt, and his own 
physical limitations (having lost part of a leg in the Civil War). 
Dan can't even muster the energy to rebuke his oldest son's 
increasingly critical and disrespectful remarks, because they echo 
his own self-doubts. Dan feels his wife slowly slipping away from 
him, which only feeds his own growing desperation. Things get worse 
when the land owner's men burn down his barn and drive his cattle 
away as a warning to pay up or get out. 
> 
> As Dan and his boys later go to fetch the herd, they see in the 
distance a heist in progress. The infamous Ben Wade (Russell Crowe) 
and his gang are attacking a stagecoach. A real menace, Wade has 
committed over twenty heists, costing hundreds of thousands of 
dollars and the lives of dozens of men. In short order, Wade's gang 
has killed everyone and stolen the money. The sequence is thrilling, 
full of hyperkinetic energy as pursuers and the pursued engage in a 
desperate chase, horses galloping like mad, grizzled, hard-looking 
men cursing and yelling as they release a barrage of bullets. The 
whole scene is shot with frenetic close ups and gorgeous long pans, 
and driven by a musical score that heightens the action. Who needs a 
car chase?
> 
> Later, when Wade is captured, Dan agrees to accompany the party 
taking Wade to catch the 3:10 train to Yuma prison—a desperate move 
motivated by the money he'll receive for the job. The journey is 
rife with danger: Indians, other men hungry for vengeance on Wade, 
Wade's own pursuing gang, and worst of all, Wade himself. 
> 
> Crowe's Ben Wade is the kind of smooth villain who does pencil 
drawings during a holdup, uses his wits as much as his gun, reads the 
Bible, and treats women with cha

Re: [scifinoir2] Homeland Security Adviser Dismisses bin Laden as "virtually impotent"

[KeithBJohnson]

Watch it now! MoveOn.org and others who've made that same charge have been 
called traitors! :)

-- Original message -- 
From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
His speech wasn't meant to. Petraeus is Bush's creature. Bush wants no definite 
timeline, so Petraeus won't provide a reason to set one, no matter how much 
evidence requiring one is extant.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree to an extent. The problem is that fixing a 
country like this could take a decade or more, and no one in the administration 
wants to discuss real time. They keep dropping stuff like "stay the course", 
"let Iraq stand up so we can stand down", etc. Generalities can go on for 
generations. Petraeus's speech didn't much help pin down a timeline.

-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer 
Unfortunately, we'll do more damage if we leave Iraq now...We made a mess over 
there...if we leave now, we're asking for other countries we've made enemies of 
to screw with us...I know it doesn't make sense, but for some reason, when we 
pull out of a fight, people tend to think of us as wimps...very dumb getting 
involved in the first place, very dumb to walk away now...

Bosco Bosco wrote: Keith

Isn't it possible that if you minimize the threat of Bin Laden in the
minds of the people then you can justify increased costs of doing
other things besides looking for him, like the Iraq war?

It's some kind of Orwellian conservo mind game. I'd lay money there
were folks behind her telling her to say it for reasons just like
that.

B
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Jesus Christ, where does Bush keep finding these idiots?? I don't
> care if bin Laden was *only* capable of putting forth a few tapes a
> year, he's still an ideological danger. Don't care if he's tied to
> a dialysis machine 24/7, if he can't set foot outside his cave (or
> compound, more likely), he can still rally the faithful who
> subscribe to his beliefs. Doesn't this idiot lady get the root
> causes of 9/11 and so much of the hatred America faces in the
> world? Does she not get that pure military might is the least of
> the obstacles we face in the world. Absolutely amazing she can make
> such a dumba** statement 
> 
> *
> 
> Homeland Security Adviser Dismisses bin Laden as "virtually
> impotent"
> WASHINGTON - Seemingly taunting Osama bin Laden, President Bush's
> homeland security adviser said Sunday the fugitive al-Qaida leader
> is "virtually impotent" beyond his ability to hide away and spread
> anti-American propaganda.
> The provocative characterization came just days after bin Laden
> attracted international attention with the release of a video in
> which he ridicules President Bush about the Iraq war and reminds
> the world that he not been captured.
> Ahead of the sixth anniversary of the Sept. 11 terrorist strikes,
> White House aide Frances Fragos Townsend made a clear attempt to
> diminish the influence _ or the perception _ of the man who
> masterminded those attacks.
> "This is about the best he can do," Townsend said of bin Laden.
> "This is a man on a run, from a cave, who's virtually impotent
> other than these tapes."
> In appearance on two Sunday talk shows, she used the "virtually
> impotent" reference both times, suggesting the language was chosen
> with careful purpose.
> "We know that al-Qaida is still determined to attack, and we take
> it seriously," Townsend said. "But this tape appears to be nothing
> more than threats. It's propaganda on their part."
> Townsend was considerably more direct than even Bush in rebuking
> bin Laden. The president responded to bin Laden's tape last week by
> saying it was a reminder that the world is dangerous and that Iraq
> is part of the war against extremists. He never identified bin
> Laden by name.
> The consensus of the nation's top intelligence analysts is that bin
> Laden's terrorist network is anything but impotent.
> Terrorism experts say the network is regrouping in the lawless
> Pakistan-Afghanistan border region. The latest National
> Intelligence Estimate says al-Qaida is growing in strength,
> intensifying its efforts to put operatives in the United States and
> plotting against U.S. targets that will cause massive casualties.
> The U.S. is in a "heightened threat environment" and al-Qaida is
> the most serious threat, the analysts found.
> The tape was the first time bin Laden had appeared in a new video
> since 2004. In the recording, bin Laden tells Americans they should
> convert to Islam if they want the war in Iraq to end. He makes no
> overt threats and does not directly call for attacks.
> "While he may be physically contained, his influence is not bounded
> by any physical barriers," said Thomas Sanderson, an authority on
> terrorism at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.
> "Obviously, in a sense, it does not matter that we've got him
> trapped in a cave. He has sent forth enough messages to incite
> violence world

[scifinoir2] OT: Six arrested, charged in woman's weeklong torture

[KeithBJohnson]

Hate crime indeed. If you look at those people, several look a little--off, to 
be kind. I know mugshots dont' usually catch your best side, but daaamn!  
Remind me of the family members from the original "Texas Chainsaw Massacre".   
I can easily see one of the boys yelling "Hit her again, Ma!"

If there's anything approaching good coming out of this, is that this young 
lady's plight brought these cockroaches to light. If not, I fear before too 
long we'd have been reading about bodies of victims being buried on their 
property--assuming that hasn't already happened with some other hapless woman...

6 arrested, charged in woman's weeklong torture 
Authorities believe racism played role in ordeal 
By Gary Harki 
Staff writer  
http://sundaygazettemail.com/section/News/2007091022 
Carmen Williams doesn’t understand why her 20-year-old daughter was tortured, 
raped and tied up in a shed. 
Police tell her that what happened was probably a hate crime, that it happened 
because Megan Williams is black. 
“Every time they stabbed her, they called her ‘nigger,’” her mother said. 
But whatever the reason, Carmen Williams wants people to know what happened to 
her daughter. She agreed to talk to a reporter from her daughter’s room at 
Charleston Area Medical Center General Hospital.
She said a man and a woman — who Megan Williams thought were her friends — took 
her to the house of Frankie Lee Brewster in Pecks Mill, Logan County. 
Megan Williams was held in the house for about a week, police said. 
According to criminal complaints filed against six people in this case, she was 
beaten, stabbed, choked, sexually assaulted and threatened with death. 
The details are even more horrible. According to the complaints, she was forced 
to eat dog and rat feces and to lick up blood. She was made to lick parts of 
Brewster’s body, under the threat of death. Her hair was pulled out. She was 
made to drink from the toilet. She was sexually assaulted while hot water was 
poured on her body, and while a man held a knife to her.
A woman allegedly cut Megan Williams’ ankle and said, “That’s what we do to 
niggers around here.” 
Six people had been charged Monday evening, including Brewster, the 49-year-old 
woman who owns the home where the alleged assault happened. She is charged with 
sexual assault, kidnapping, malicious wounding and giving false statements to 
an officer. 
Bobby R. Brewster, Frankie Brewster’s 24-year-old son, is charged with 
kidnapping, sexual assault, malicious wounding and assault during the 
commission of a felony. 
Danny J. Combs, 20, is charged with sexual assault and malicious wounding. 
George A. Messer, 27, is charged with assault during the commission of a felony 
and battery. 
Karen Burton, 46, is charged with malicious wounding, battery and assault 
during the commission of a felony. Her daughter, Alisha Burton, 23, is charged 
with assault during the commission of a felony and battery. 
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Each was being held Monday at Southwestern Regional Jail on $100,000 bail. 
Carmen Williams said the two people who took her daughter to the Pecks Mill 
house did it so she could be tortured. Police are looking for those people, 
Logan County Chief Deputy V.K. Dingess said Monday evening.
“Apparently once they got her there they planned to do this,” Dingess said. 
Carmen Williams said she has barely left her daughter’s side since police found 
her Saturday. 
“She wakes up in the middle of the night screaming, ‘Mommy,’” she said. “What’s 
really bad is that we don’t know everything they did to her. She is crying all 
the time.”
She said her daughter has been a little better since she learned that the 
people who hurt her have been arrested. 
The FBI has been called in to investigate the incident as a hate crime, Dingess 
said. All six of the people charged so far are white.
Megan Williams was found Saturday at Brewster’s house. Police, acting on a tip, 
went to the residence to check on a female who was reportedly being held 
against her will, according to the criminal complaint filed in Logan County 
Magistrate Court. 
“Frankie was sitting on her front porch with her door open. We asked Frankie 
who else was at the residence and she stated no one else was here, that she was 
alone,” according to the complaint. “As she was talking, she got up and stepped 
toward her door when a female inside the residence limped toward the door with 
her arms out, saying, ‘help me.’ ”
The woman, Megan Williams, had four stab wounds in her left leg. Her eyes are 
bruised. 
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Brewster told police that she didn’t know how that had happened to Williams. 
She told police she had been away with friends, and that Williams came to her 
house on Saturday already in that condition. 
Megan Williams was taken first to Logan Regional Hospital and then to CAMC 
General, where she underwent surgery for her leg wounds, Dingess said. 
“We have all been praying and asking the Lord to take us through this,” Carmen

Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka will return, but probably Flash will not

[KeithBJohnson]

"Flash Gordon" sucks beyond belief. It's actually much *worse* than "Painkiller 
Jane".  At least PKJ is halfway consistent in its horrible portrayal of the 
Neuros and all. Corny, tedious, trite and derivative, but consistent. Flash 
Gordon is just plain crap. The whole jumping from Earth to Mongo and back makes 
for bad stories. I wish they'd just stay on Mongo.  The acting's bad, the sets 
and scenery--with little of them there are--are cheap. Mongo itself looks like 
they spent about a hundred bucks on the sets. I'm not getting why a middle-aged 
emotionless white guy is playing Ming the Merciless.Ming's assassin speaks in 
those crappy one-syllable cliched speeches that crappy scifi uses for The 
Alien. The only thing in the entire series that made me even halfway chuckle is 
Ming's assistant, who floats around on that flying platform.

That "Dresden Files" has been cancelled without getting a fair chance is a real 
crime.

-- Original message -- 
From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

> Eureka' Looking At Another Season, 'Flash Gordon' Is Not 
> 
> 
> By MICHAEL HINMAN 
> Source: SyFy Portal 
> Sep-05-2007 
> 
> Things are looking good for those setting up residence in the little 
> town of "Eureka." 
> 
> Sources close to SciFi Channel say the show -- as expected -- is looking 
> at an almost definite third season following strong viewership numbers 
> in the first part of the show's second season which included some larger 
> sets and new faces. 
> 
> The second season premiere last summer drew in 2.5 million viewers, down 
> from the near 4 million who tuned in for the pilot -- but that was the 
> largest audience to ever tune in for an original series episode on SciFi 
> Channel at the time, so they probably get a little leeway. 
> 
> "Eureka" has received strong popular reaction, almost to the point that 
> some have speculated the show could move to sister network USA, but 
> sources tell SciFi Portal that there's no chance that will happen. 
> 
> Sadly, the same can't be said about "Flash Gordon." While its premiere 
> did bring in some viewers, successive episodes have not. It's 1.5 
> household rating premiere, which equates to about 1.7 million viewers, 
> was the network's strongest series debut so far this year. But the other 
> shows "Flash Gordon" beat out only lasted a single season and have 
> already been canceled, like "The Dresden Files" and "Painkiller Jane." 
> Plus, the rebroadcast of "Doctor Who" has been generating higher ratings 
> than "Flash Gordon," highlighting the profit margin loss even for the 
> network even more. 
> 
> Of course, none of this has been confirmed by SciFi Channel or NBC 
> Universal, so treat this as any rumor should be treated. 
> 
> http://www.syfyportal.com/news424121.html 
> 
> 
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> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links 
> 
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: My Take - "3:10 to Yuma"

[KeithBJohnson]

You're quite welcome. I thoroughly enjoyed it. In fact, I'd enjoy seeing it 
again. The best Western since "Unforgiven"? It might be, if only because there 
have been so few released at the American theatre since then. "Open Range" is 
very good, but it's much more slowly paced and nuanced.

I'm trying to think of Westerns released here since "Unforgiven" in '92. There 
was Tombstone (good moments but not the greatest overall), "Posse" (ditto, 
though give Van Peebles credit for bringing Blacks to the Western), Gang of 
Roses (horrible, horrible Western with Stacey Dash, Bobby Brown, Li'l Kim--need 
I say more?), Wild Wild West (disjointed remake with Will Smith, not worth the 
time). Then there are films taking place in modern times with Western-like 
themes or settings like "Extreme Prejudice" (Nick Nolte film, pretty good), 
"Lone Star" (from master John Sayles), and Robert Rodriguez's movies with 
Antonio Banderas. 

Hmmm...looking at the list, it's possible Yuma might be the best Western 
released in American theatre since "Unforgiven", but the competition is very 
spare...Of course I'm omitting TV films/miniseries/series like "Lonesome Dove", 
which had a second miniseries and a full series released after "Unforgiven".

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From: "g123curious" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Thanks for the plot summary. The plot sounds like the reverse of 
_High Noon_ (1952 with Gary Cooper in the lead)... getting the bad 
guy to the train instead of the bad guy getting off the train.

Is this film truly the best western since Eastwood's _Unforgiven_?

George

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>
> Summary: Down-on-his-luck Rancher Dan Evans undertakes a dangerous 
mission, joining a group of men taking outlaw Ben Wade to prison. 
They must survive Indians, others out to get Wade, and Wade's own 
gang in order to get him on the 3:10 train to Yuma.
> 
> My Quick Take: This is a fun, exciting movie in the tradition of 
old Westerns. There are bad guys, good (or not-so-bad) guys, and lots 
of action. Plenty of chases and gunfights, even a few explosions. 
Russell Crowe as always is a captivating presence, dominating the 
screen and the scene. Christian Bale--almost a chameleon of an actor--
gets into his role as the desperate rancher. Good supporting cast, 
great cinematography and camera work, pulse-pounding music. Did I 
mention the gunfights? And the horse chases? Really enjoyed this 
pic. 
> 
> My Full Take: At its core, the Western is a morality tale, the 
story of a basically good man struggling against sinister forces 
while remaining true to what's right. What those forces are—evil land 
barons, gunfighters, Mother Nature—is less important than the 
struggle the hero undertakes to overcome them. When others abandon 
him—even when he doubts himself—the hero stands alone, fighting to 
the end. 
> 
> Rancher Dan Evans (Christian Bale) is such a man. Dan can barely 
hold his family together, battling drought, his younger son's 
tuberculosis, a land owner to whom he's heavily in debt, and his own 
physical limitations (having lost part of a leg in the Civil War). 
Dan can't even muster the energy to rebuke his oldest son's 
increasingly critical and disrespectful remarks, because they echo 
his own self-doubts. Dan feels his wife slowly slipping away from 
him, which only feeds his own growing desperation. Things get worse 
when the land owner's men burn down his barn and drive his cattle 
away as a warning to pay up or get out. 
> 
> As Dan and his boys later go to fetch the herd, they see in the 
distance a heist in progress. The infamous Ben Wade (Russell Crowe) 
and his gang are attacking a stagecoach. A real menace, Wade has 
committed over twenty heists, costing hundreds of thousands of 
dollars and the lives of dozens of men. In short order, Wade's gang 
has killed everyone and stolen the money. The sequence is thrilling, 
full of hyperkinetic energy as pursuers and the pursued engage in a 
desperate chase, horses galloping like mad, grizzled, hard-looking 
men cursing and yelling as they release a barrage of bullets. The 
whole scene is shot with frenetic close ups and gorgeous long pans, 
and driven by a musical score that heightens the action. Who needs a 
car chase?
> 
> Later, when Wade is captured, Dan agrees to accompany the party 
taking Wade to catch the 3:10 train to Yuma prison—a desperate move 
motivated by the money he'll receive for the job. The journey is 
rife with danger: Indians, other men hungry for vengeance on Wade, 
Wade's own pursuing gang, and worst of all, Wade himself. 
> 
> Crowe's Ben Wade is the kind of smooth villain who does pencil 
drawings during a holdup, uses his wits as much as his gun, reads the 
Bible, and treats women with charm and respect. He doesn't kill for 
sport: Wade spares Dan after the holdup even though his men want to 
kill him (a decision he later comes to regret). But this is not a bad 
guy with a good

Re: [scifinoir2] New Highlander Movie Debuting on SciFi Channel This Saturday

[KeithBJohnson]

I'm pretty sure you can find this movie--or versions of it, like the Russian 
one I mentioned--on the Net. And it'll probably show up on DVD soon...

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DAMMIT!!! I hate Comcast!

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I saw a trailer from this flick several months ago, I 
think from a Russian release. Believe I dropped the link to the group, in fact. 
The creators say that any version other than the one being aired this Saturday 
is not officially approved, however. Not sure how I feel about this. I don't 
usually like when beings of mysticism like the immortals discover the source of 
their powers: it tends to ruin the mystery. But more, the Highlander movies 
have all sucked (all but the first), especially when compared to the TV series. 
I'm a little nervous about the quality of this upcoming trilogy.
But of course I'll be there Saturday night



About Highlander on SciFi Channel: 
http://www.scifi.com/highlander5/

Official Highlander site:
http://www.highlander-thesource.com/news-updates.html

Celebrating 20 years of The Legend, Davis-Panzer Productions, Sequence Films 
and Grosvenor Park are proud to announce the upcoming 2007 release of 
HIGHLANDER: The Source. Brett Leonard is the director with Adrian Paul playing 
the immortal Scottish swordsman, Duncan MacLeod. This new adventure, starring 
Adrian Paul is the first feature in the Trilogy. The Source tells the story of 
Immortals as they quest to locate the Holy Grail of their world. The entire 
series of films will chronicle the origins of the Immortals.

Director Brett Leonard commented "This is a tremendous opportunity for a 
storyteller of this genre to take part in the mythology of 20 years." He 
continues that "HIGHLANDER is an amazing ongoing story that I can bring my 
visual style to... Everything I have done has led me to this kind of mythical 
fantasy."

Brett Leonard pioneered the creation of digital visual effects in filmmaking 
with 1992's Lawnmower Man, he also directed 1995's Virtuosity, and most 
recently completed Marvel's Man-Thing. He is heralded as a maverick in science 
fiction, fantasy and adventure by creating films with a strong visual presence.

Peter Davis of Davis-Panzer Productions noted, "We are truly celebrating this 
milestone in HIGHLANDER history by pairing Brett and Adrian in our newest 
Trilogy. We anticipate that this combination will recapture the filming glory 
of the original HIGHLANDER."

Davis-Panzer Productions is busy further immortalizing the Clan MacLeod during 
the series' twentieth year with an anime feature film in partnership with Imagi 
and Madhouse of Japan and a video game with SCI Games Ltd. of London. There is 
no limit when your story is timeless and Immortal! 
HIGHLANDER: The Source will be distributed in North America through Lions Gate 
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Re: [scifinoir2] Maria Bello to star in "Mummy 3"

[KeithBJohnson]

Yeah, all we need are Chow Yun Fat, Jackie Chan, and Michelle Yeoh, and we can 
dispense with Brendan Frasier (who I never thought was all the interesting as 
the hero anyway).

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From: Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
LOL@ Jet LiWhoa, I just finished reading this...Jet Li, huh?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Huh, i didn't know there was going to be a third Mummy 
flick. I thought the second was only fair. Maybe with Jet Li it'll be cool. I'm 
skeptical...

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Bello Takes Over In Mummy 3

Maria Bello, who co-stars in the upcoming sequel film The Mummy: Tomb of the 
Dragon Emperor, told SCI FI Wire that she plays a kick-ass version of the 
character originated by Rachel Weisz. 

Bello, who won wide acclaim for 2005's A History of Violence, spoke at the 
Toronto International Film Festival and added that she dyed her normally blond 
hair auburn for the sequel. "Yeah, it's for a film role. It's for Mummy 3, and 
I love it," she said. 

Bello, who took time off from filming in Montreal to appear at the film 
festival to promote The Jane Austen Book Club, takes over the role of Evelyn 
Carnahan from Weisz, who played the character in the first two Mummy movies but 
bowed out of the third. 

"She has the same name, but she's a very different character than Rachel 
played," Bello said in an interview. "She's a bad-ass action chick. I had to 
train a lot. I had to do wushu, a martial-art form, some kickboxing, 
swordfighting, rifle training for a couple of months before we even started 
shooting." Bello added: "It's the role of my dreams. It is just a blast." 

Bello will soon join co-stars Brendan Fraser and Jet Li for two months of 
shooting in China. 

Bello said that after a few weeks of rehearsal, she sustained a black eye after 
getting butted by a Winchester rifle, but added that she's fine now. "I'm 
looking forward to the doll, too, though," she said cryptically. The Mummy: 
Tomb of the Dragon Emperor opens Aug. 1, 2008. 

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Re: [scifinoir2] A New V May Be Coming!!

[Astromancer]

You really, really don't want to know, but(having flashbacks of Star 
Crash...) The ship is climbing out of Earth orbit and there's a bomb ticking 
off that would destroy the planet...No one knows how to stop it when the little 
half alien girl walks over to the control panel, grabs it, glows a bit 
and...all over, the bomb is defused...I think my explanation sounds a lot 
better than it actually was, but my memory is a bit fuzzy from 1984 also...

Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Don't remember that, pal. How did it 
end?

Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: No, the ending to the last miniseries 
was a bad omen...

Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The TV series never should've been done. 
Sooner a sequel on the mini-series.

Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: My complaint about the TV series is that 
they had pretty people and it sucked...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The first Diane was cool. She was charming and 
devious. I don't want a Diana 
that looks like the Vulcan chick from Enterprise. She can't act, She has fish 
lips and no personality. I don't want a remake of Battlestar or Xena . I want 
action and character. 

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Re: [scifinoir2] The Fall TV Line Up - what do you like

[KeithBJohnson]

Intrigued by Bionic Woman (could be good if written well), Pushing Daisies 
(though the "Ghost Whisperer"/"Medium" angle's getting tired), Reaper (lots of 
potential for good standalone stories, but fear it could devolve into dreck), 
and Journeyman (hope they don't screw up by Americanizing the Brit original's 
tone). Not sure about "New Amsterdam", which could be a weak "Highlander" 
ripoff, or have some potential.

Not so excited about "Moonlight" (tired of the suave, handsome, tortured 
vampire angle--let's bring back real bloodsuckers!) or Sarah Conner (which I'm 
sure will end up being boring and derivative)

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> The fall season is about to start. there are a number of speculative 
> fiction shows premiering. Below is list with brief descriptions. Are 
> there any that you are looking forward to seeing? Which ones do you 
> think are duds? Will any of them make it? 
> 
> 
> ELI STONE (ABC) - "Many lawyers consider themselves prophets, but Eli 
> Stone may be the real deal. Eli has built a successful career at a top 
> law firm in San Francisco representing only the biggest and richest 
> corporations that make a habit of screwing over the little guy. But 
> after experiencing a series of odd hallucinations, Eli seeks to find a 
> deeper meaning to life while trying not to lose his job and destroy his 
> relationship with the bosses' daughter. When Eli discovers an aneurysm 
> in his brain, he wonders if his condition is truly medical or if perhaps 
> he now has a higher calling." 
> 
> 
> PUSHING DAISIES (ABC) - From Bryan Fuller ("Heroes") and Barry 
> Sonnenfeld ("Men in Black") comes an unprecedented blend of romance, 
> crime procedural and high-concept fantasy in a forensic fairytale about 
> a young man with a very special gift. Once upon a time, a mild-mannered 
> boy named Ned realized he could touch dead things and bring them back to 
> life. Grown-up Ned puts his ability to good use, not only touching dead 
> fruit and making it ripe with everlasting flavor, but working with an 
> investigator to crack murder cases by asking the deceased to name their 
> killers. But the tale gets complicated, as all tales do, when Ned brings 
> his childhood sweetheart, Chuck, back from the dead and keeps her alive. 
> Chuck encourages him to use his power to help others, instead of merely 
> solving mysteries and collecting the rewards. Life would be perfect for 
> Ned and Chuck, except for one cruel twist: If he ever touches her again, 
> she'll go back to being dead, this time for good." 
> 
> REAPER (The CW) - "For the first 20 years of his life, Sam (Bret 
> Harrison, "The Loop," "Grounded for Life") wondered why his parents went 
> so easy on him. Whether it was school, sports or career choices, Sam's 
> mom (Allison Hossack, "Falcon Beach") and dad (Andrew Airlie, "The L 
> Word") always let him get by with the least possible effort, while at 
> the same time pressuring his younger brother Keith (Kyle Switzer, 
> "15/Love") to excel. As a result, Sam skipped college, took a dead-end 
> job and now wastes endless hours playing video games and wishing he had 
> the guts to ask out his pretty co-worker, Andi (Nikki Reed, "Thirteen," 
> "The O.C."). Everything in his slacker world changes the day Sam turns 
> 21 and discovers the ungodly reason his parents let him slide: they sold 
> his soul to the devil before he was born. Satan himself (Ray Wise, "24," 
> "The Closer") drops by to personally explain that Sam must now serve as 
> his bounty hunter, tracking down evil souls that have escaped and 
> returning them to Hell. At first, Sam refuses to accept his bizarre 
> fate, but after getting just a glimpse of Satan's temper, Sam realizes 
> that breaking a deal with the devil has consequences that are very, very bad 
> 
> THE SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES (FOX) - Sarah vanquished the liquid metal 
> Terminator sent from the future to kill her teenage son, John. Sarah and 
> John now find themselves alone in a very dangerous, complicated world. 
> Fugitives from the law, they are confronted with the reality that still 
> more enemies from the future, and the present, could attack at any 
> moment. THE SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES reveals what happens when SARAH 
> (Lena Headey, "The Brothers Grimm," "300") stops running and goes on the 
> offensive against an ever-evolving technological enemy bent on 
> destroying her life, and perhaps the world. 
> 
> BIONIC WOMAN (NBC) The network's description: "Struggling as a bartender 
> and surrogate mom to her teenage sister, Jaime Sommers (Michelle Ryan, 
> "EastEnders") didn't think life could get much harder. But when a 
> devastating car accident leaves her at death's door, Jaime's only hope 
> for survival is a cutting-edge, top-secret technology that comes at a 
> hefty price. With a whole new existence and a debt to re-pay, Jaime must 
> figure o

[scifinoir2] Forest Whitaker To Do 'MAMBO'

[Brent Wodehouse]

http://www.blackflix.com/coming_soon.html

FOREST WHITAKER TO DO 'MAMBO'

September


Forest Whitaker has landed a role opposite Jude Law and Brazilian actress
Alice Braga in the futuristic thriller "Repossession Mambo." Based on the
novel by Eric Garcia, the film is set in the near future when artificial
organs can be bought on credit with one catch - if the buyer defaults on
payment, it will result in a fatal repossession. Law's character - himself
"made up of artificial organs' - is a repo man who reclaims organs when
their recipients cannot make the payments. When he struggles to pay off
his new heart, he becomes one of the people he used to hunt down and must
go on the run with Braga's character, who is also down on her luck. The
Universal Pictures project is slated to begin Oct. 15 in Toronto.

[scifinoir2] 'Smellovision' Attempting a Comeback

[Brent Wodehouse]

http://film.guardian.co.uk/apnews/story/0,,-6911487,00.html

'Smellovision' Attempting a Comeback

Monday September 10, 2007

By ERIN CONROY

Associated Press Writer


BOSTON (AP) - Megan Dickerson always loved the rich colors and melodic
scores of the film "Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory." But she also
longed to experience the sweet scents of chocolate and schnozberries.

A self-proclaimed multisensory artist, Dickerson is now trying to revive
"Smellovision."

She's staged outdoor showings of "Willy Wonka" for hundreds of people and
used oscillating fans and artificially scented oils to distribute aromas
of blueberry pie and banana taffy during the film. With help from local
art houses and the Boston Children's Museum, she plans to bring other
films for sniffing to theaters this fall.

"There's been a crazy response to the movement," Dickerson said. "I guess
there just aren't enough opportunities for wonder out there, but there's
something nostalgic about this art action that makes you feel like a kid
again."

Smellovision never quite caught on, though it dates back to the late
1950s, when a signal from a "smell track" on the film activated a tubing
system to transmit odors to each seat. Aroma-Rama, a similar application,
piped odors into the theater through the ventilator system.

In the 1980s, Odorama made a stale debut with scratch-and-sniff cards,
which also briefly made their way into living rooms. Outside of theme
parks, scent-themed flicks weren't visited again until last year, when two
movie theaters in Japan offered aroma wafts for back-row seats during the
Hollywood adventure film "The New World."

Dickerson isn't the only one trying to bring the concept back. In March,
Trisenx Holdings Inc. started a Web site (http://scenttv.tv/) where, for
$17.95 a month, users can sniff out "scent-enabled content" that includes
movies, music videos and news.

Equipment for Dickerson's Smellovision projects is donated by the Coolidge
Corner Theater and the Brattle Theater, both independent Boston area
art-house cinemas where she plans to show movies this fall.

Dickerson, a manager of community programs for the Boston Children's
Museum, said she's always been fascinated with the psychology associated
with smell, and started to experiment with fragrances through a program
with the Sense of Smell Institute at the museum.

She was especially struck by the idea of "scent memories."

"This will inevitably give us a sense of comfort and draw us back to a
playful place, and give us flashbacks of things we may have forgotten
about," she said, noting that a strawberry-lemon bottled scent in her
collection triggers memories of her older brother's hair gel.

Besides the sweet smells of fruit and cotton candy, Dickerson's boxes of
bottled scents ordered through the Fragrance Foundation include dirt,
condensed milk, fizzy lemonade, grass and sushi.

She sometimes mixes fragrances together for a certain stink, and if that
doesn't work, she has another trick.

"Sometimes, if you just tell someone that a smell is something it's not,
they will automatically perceive it to be that scent," she said. "It's all
psychological."

Dickerson hopes to organize a Smellovision film festival, and plans to
work with movies like 1960's film "Scent of Mystery" and John Waters'
"Polyester" (1981) - movies that "make no sense without the smells," she
said.

Indoor Smellovision can pose problems with separating smells over the
course of the show, according to Terry Molnar, executive director of the
Sense of Smell Institute.

"The problem is that the scents are layered on top of one another, and
people get sick from all of the smells mixed together," Molnar said. "I'm
sure there's better technology out there now that could refresh the air in
a theater, or could evacuate the air in the room before the next comes in."

Dickerson said she may hand out small, squeezable "scent bottles" so that
individuals can experience the fumes from their seats.

Robert Thompson, director of the Bleier Center for Television and Popular
Culture at Syracuse University, said Smellovision will always attract
curiosity, but the payoff to adding scent to movies is not as great as it
was for sound or color.

He said it's doubtful Smellovision would ever survive outside of IMAX
theaters and Disney World.

"I think it's forever going to be a novelty," Thompson said. "There are
not terribly many occasions where we're watching a movie or television
show and thinking the technology is so inferior because it doesn't bring
us smell. It's just not necessary, and there aren't very many movies that
would make us even care about smell."

Re: [scifinoir2] Torchwood Premier Anyone?

[Justin Mohareb]

The Keystone Kops at Torchwood wouldn't last ten minutes against one Dalek.
It would be... Ugly.

Justin

On 9/12/07, Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>   Not *yet*. Give the writers a reason and a chance...
>
> Justin Mohareb <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
> wrote: Yeah, but the Daleks never appeared in Torchwood.
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Re: [scifinoir2] bye to the Six in Baltar's head

[Martin]

Sex- uh, *Six*, sorry (gotta have that software checked!) sells sex too much 
for my comfort. Among my close friends, I refer to myself as a "liberal prude". 
I may talk like a randy frat boy, but I don't really like to see much adverted 
by women. She did just that, from Minute One on the mini. Write her off for me.

PLEASE.

"Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I 
hated six in the beginning, but she has grown on me over time. why do 
you want to see her gone?

Martin wrote:
>
> If only we could say goodbye to Six altogether...
>
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" 
> 
> > wrote: Parting Of The 
> Ways Coming To 'Battlestar Galactica'
>
> By MICHAEL HINMAN
> Source: SyFy Portal
> Sep-10-2007
>
> This story contains possible MODERATE SPOILERS for the upcoming fourth
> season of "Battlestar Galactica."
>
> There seems to be a lot of couples in SciFi Channel's now Emmy-winning
> "Battlestar Galactica," whether it be Saul Tigh and Ellen, Lee and
> Dualla, maybe even Will Adama and Laura. It's almost a shipper's paradise.
>
> As expected, however, few relationships found in drama last long, and
> "Battlestar Galactica" is no different. However, one breakup coming up
> in the fourth season is one that probably no one had seen coming.
>
> "Say good-bye to the Six in Baltar's head," a source told SyFy Portal's
> Michael Hinman. "As much as we like Baltar having this controlling
> figure literally in his head, we couldn't keep it up forever."
>
> James Callis' character of Baltar has been visited by a mental version
> of Tricia Helfer's Six since the 2003 miniseries. And the third season
> episode "Downloaded" showed that he isn't the only one. The resurrected
> Caprica Six has a mental visitor of her own -- Gaius Baltar. Which, of
> course, has prompted a lot of questions from fans.
>
> But Baltar won't be alone for long.
>
> "We all know that [Baltar] can't follow the 'plan' by himself, so he
> will get another visitor," the source said. "He'll be paid a visit by
> his own likeness that had been helping [Caprica] Six. It should really
> make things interesting in the last season as everyone tries to figure
> out who the final Cylon is."
>
> Who are these personas? The source won't say, but there has been a lot
> of speculation that they are all tied into the Leoben (Callum Keith
> Rennie) that Kara Thrace (Katee Sackhoff) saw in her "death" episode,
> "Maelstrom."
>
> Of course, none of this has been confirmed by SciFi Channel or anyone
> else -- and is subject to change before the actual episodes air, so
> treat it was you would any rumor.
>
> "Battlestar Galactica" returns in November with the telemovie "Razor,"
> and then will begin its fourth and final season in early 2008.
>
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Re: [scifinoir2] Torchwood Premier Anyone?

[Martin]

Not *yet*. Give the writers a reason and a chance...

Justin Mohareb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   Yeah, 
but the Daleks never appeared in Torchwood.
 
 Justin
 
 On 9/12/07, Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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 >   No, I don't think so, based on her description. Daleks do appear more
 > machine-like, while Cybermen are more cyborg-like. And they were just
 > humanoid originally, with cybernetics tacked on until they simply lost their
 > humanity.
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Re: [scifinoir2] Torchwood Premier Anyone?

[Justin Mohareb]

Yeah, but the Daleks never appeared in Torchwood.

Justin

On 9/12/07, Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   No, I don't think so, based on her description. Daleks do appear more
> machine-like, while Cybermen are more cyborg-like. And they were just
> humanoid originally, with cybernetics tacked on until they simply lost their
> humanity.
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Re: [scifinoir2] Torchwood Premier Anyone?

[Martin]

No, I don't think so, based on her description. Daleks do appear more 
machine-like, while Cybermen are more cyborg-like. And they were just humanoid 
originally, with cybernetics tacked on until they simply lost their humanity.

Justin Mohareb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   Is it 
possible he means the Cybermen?
 
 Justin
 
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 >   LMNAO, pal!!!
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 > Gymfig, I think you're referring to Daleks, the Ultimate Racists. In their
 > eyes, anything that isn't Dalek deserves to be wiped out.
 >
 > Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: The automated
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Re: [scifinoir2] Torchwood Premier Anyone?

[Justin Mohareb]

Is it possible he means the Cybermen?

Justin

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>   LMNAO, pal!!!
>
> Gymfig, I think you're referring to Daleks, the Ultimate Racists. In their
> eyes, anything that isn't Dalek deserves to be wiped out.
>
> Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: The automated
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Re: [scifinoir2] Ragamuffin by Tobias S. Bucknell

[Martin]

Sounds like a fun read. I'll have to keep my eyes open for it.

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Re: [scifinoir2] Torchwood Premier Anyone?

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

I like that. I never thought of them as automated call systems. Funny :)

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Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka will return, but probably Flash will not

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

I can barely stand the Flash commercials and while I'm glad eureka is 
returning, the chemistry among the characters and what makes most of 
them special has been diffused as a result of mediocre writing.

Martin wrote:
>
> I'm dancing for joy over the Eureka news, but I'm actually kinda down 
> over Flash. Wasn't high art, for certain, but it didn't offend me 
> nearly as much as I thought it would. I could watch the show and not 
> feel cheated.
>
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> aladvantage. com > wrote: 
> Eureka' Looking At Another Season, 'Flash Gordon' Is Not
>
> By MICHAEL HINMAN
> Source: SyFy Portal
> Sep-05-2007
>
> Things are looking good for those setting up residence in the little
> town of "Eureka."
>
> Sources close to SciFi Channel say the show -- as expected -- is looking
> at an almost definite third season following strong viewership numbers
> in the first part of the show's second season which included some larger
> sets and new faces.
>
> The second season premiere last summer drew in 2.5 million viewers, down
> from the near 4 million who tuned in for the pilot -- but that was the
> largest audience to ever tune in for an original series episode on SciFi
> Channel at the time, so they probably get a little leeway.
>
> "Eureka" has received strong popular reaction, almost to the point that
> some have speculated the show could move to sister network USA, but
> sources tell SciFi Portal that there's no chance that will happen.
>
> Sadly, the same can't be said about "Flash Gordon." While its premiere
> did bring in some viewers, successive episodes have not. It's 1.5
> household rating premiere, which equates to about 1.7 million viewers,
> was the network's strongest series debut so far this year. But the other
> shows "Flash Gordon" beat out only lasted a single season and have
> already been canceled, like "The Dresden Files" and "Painkiller Jane."
> Plus, the rebroadcast of "Doctor Who" has been generating higher ratings
> than "Flash Gordon," highlighting the profit margin loss even for the
> network even more.
>
> Of course, none of this has been confirmed by SciFi Channel or NBC
> Universal, so treat this as any rumor should be treated.
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Re: [scifinoir2] bye to the Six in Baltar's head

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

I hated six in the beginning, but she has grown on me over time. why do 
you want to see her gone?

Martin wrote:
>
> If only we could say goodbye to Six altogether...
>
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > wrote: Parting Of The 
> Ways Coming To 'Battlestar Galactica'
>
> By MICHAEL HINMAN
> Source: SyFy Portal
> Sep-10-2007
>
> This story contains possible MODERATE SPOILERS for the upcoming fourth
> season of "Battlestar Galactica."
>
> There seems to be a lot of couples in SciFi Channel's now Emmy-winning
> "Battlestar Galactica," whether it be Saul Tigh and Ellen, Lee and
> Dualla, maybe even Will Adama and Laura. It's almost a shipper's paradise.
>
> As expected, however, few relationships found in drama last long, and
> "Battlestar Galactica" is no different. However, one breakup coming up
> in the fourth season is one that probably no one had seen coming.
>
> "Say good-bye to the Six in Baltar's head," a source told SyFy Portal's
> Michael Hinman. "As much as we like Baltar having this controlling
> figure literally in his head, we couldn't keep it up forever."
>
> James Callis' character of Baltar has been visited by a mental version
> of Tricia Helfer's Six since the 2003 miniseries. And the third season
> episode "Downloaded" showed that he isn't the only one. The resurrected
> Caprica Six has a mental visitor of her own -- Gaius Baltar. Which, of
> course, has prompted a lot of questions from fans.
>
> But Baltar won't be alone for long.
>
> "We all know that [Baltar] can't follow the 'plan' by himself, so he
> will get another visitor," the source said. "He'll be paid a visit by
> his own likeness that had been helping [Caprica] Six. It should really
> make things interesting in the last season as everyone tries to figure
> out who the final Cylon is."
>
> Who are these personas? The source won't say, but there has been a lot
> of speculation that they are all tied into the Leoben (Callum Keith
> Rennie) that Kara Thrace (Katee Sackhoff) saw in her "death" episode,
> "Maelstrom."
>
> Of course, none of this has been confirmed by SciFi Channel or anyone
> else -- and is subject to change before the actual episodes air, so
> treat it was you would any rumor.
>
> "Battlestar Galactica" returns in November with the telemovie "Razor,"
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Re: [scifinoir2] A New V May Be Coming!!

[Daryle]

>From what I understand about "Bionic Woman", the choice of a younger actress
is integral to the basic story. It's not just a remake, but an update.

It's important to note that the most successful franchise on TV is Law &
Order, and generally, they like their women to be GROWN.

As for the other shows, I think the teen fixation (and let's be honest,
it's really a teen FEMALE fixation, which, at this point, is just creepy.)
is about over. It's clear to me that there have been some very old men in
decision making positions, who were pulling a Patrick Stewart ( see that
Extras episode) and just wanted to see young girls around. There's no other
explanation for it. The casting of Lois Lane in "Returns" was just silly.
Katie Holmes is now Mrs. Katherine Cruise, Hollywood wife, bad actress, and
mother. Whoever that girl is in "Transformers" is as much in high school as
*I* am. Even the kids on Disney Channel and Nick are growing up. I think
we've seen the end of an era.

On 9/12/07 11:08 AM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> I'd add that she not be too young. I'm starting to tire of this fascination
> with very young and young-looking women. "Buffy" was cool, but now there seems
> to be a real push for the young, vulnerable, barely out of her teen years
> woman. Kate Bosworth as Lois Lane is a prime example. She looks and acts like
> such a little girl I was completely turned off by the character. The original
> actress who played Diana in "V" was 30 when the series aired. They need to get
> someone that old. Frankly, I dont' care what Hollywood thinks: "older" women
> work better in some roles, the same way men do. Frankly, a Diana who's well
> into her 40s would make more sense as the leader of an entire invasion force
> than some squeaky voiced girl barely into her 20s.
> 
> By the way, although the age difference isn't as bad, I have somewhat the same
> problem with "The Bionic Woman". Lindsay Wagner was 27 when the original
> series aired. The new star is just 23...
> 
> -- Original message --
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> I do not claim to speak for all of the men in our group, but uhm...pouty and
> sexy in the red suit ? I¹m sorta FOR that. So long as it¹s a tight suit and
> she¹s not blonde...I¹m good. She¹s a bad guy. I just need Diana to look
> good and eat a mouse. It can be a mini-series for all I care, just please
> give the empty calories and give some up and coming actors some work. It¹s
> V. It won¹t be a Harlan Ellison script. Hell, not even a Warren Ellis
> script. It¹s gonna be ³A leader who is charismatic and powerful lies to the
> masses about his/her intent to take over a small country in the middle
> ea---er, planet. A filmmaker/journalist (hmm) discovers the truth and goes
> on a mission to expose the regime. He is captured. He escapes. The people
> make noise. But the people are American, and so the regime does what it
> wants anyway.² We¹ve not only SEEN this when it was done originally, we
> watched Karl Rove remix it in real life.
> 
> All I ask is that they not make Diana blonde, and they can count on me for
> at least three episodes.
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>> Everybody knows that the star of the V series is Diana. Cast her wrong, and
>> the show¹s useless.
>> 
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>> around and bark orders. She will be ugly in the face with fish lips. She will
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Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka will return, but probably Flash will not

[Daryle]

I say good riddance to Flash Gordon. I believe I said that with the first
episode. I have been recording Eureka, haven¹t watched it yet. I must  say
that it¹s good to see Joe Morton in a successful series.


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>  
>  
>  
> 
> I'm dancing for joy over the Eureka news, but I'm actually kinda down over
> Flash. Wasn't high art, for certain, but it didn't offend me nearly as much as
> I thought it would. I could watch the show and not feel cheated.
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[scifinoir2] Re: Homeland Security Adviser Dismisses bin Laden as "virtually impotent"

[g123curious]

When one is truly incompetent and knows it, sometimes the only 
protection from getting fired (or impeached) is a thin blue line (or 
party-loyalists you can easily hire and blame later).

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Unfortunately, true. He reminds me of the Thin Blue Line with the 
police.  I always am amazed at how some cops feel that other cops 
need to back them up when they do wrong. I get the whole idea of 
trust, being able to put your life in your partner's hands if need 
be. But sometimes cops forget that their primary goal is to serve the 
*people*, and that a cop who's violated our trust isn't worthy of 
protection. Same with Bush. He and his gang are our servants, not the 
other way around, and he should be surrounded by people who remind 
him to do what's right by us, not by his narrow definition of right 
and wrong.
> 
> -- Original message -- 
> From: "g123curious" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> In 6+ years, what I see is W doesn't hire deep thinkers or the 
> brightest folks. W hires party-loyalists who are either connected 
or 
> have given money to said campaign... folks who "drank and continue 
to 
> drink the cool-ade." People who follow the party ideology blindly 
> until they get impaled on a fence while wondering, 'where did that 
> fence come from?' Only then do they change course, and only then 
> reluctantly while blaming the Dems, Clinton, and everyone else.
> 
> George
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, KeithBJohnson@ wrote:
>
> Jesus Christ, where does Bush keep finding these idiots?? I don't 
> care if bin Laden was *only* capable of putting forth a few tapes a 
> year, he's still an ideological danger. Don't care if he's tied to
> a dialysis machine 24/7, if he can't set foot outside his cave (or 
> compound, more likely), he can still rally the faithful who
> subscribe to his beliefs. Doesn't this idiot lady get the root
> causes of 9/11 and so much of the hatred America faces in the
> world? Does she not get that pure military might is the least of
> the obstacles we face in the world. Absolutely amazing she can make
> such a dumba** statement 
> 
> *
> 
>> Homeland Security Adviser Dismisses bin Laden as "virtually 
>> impotent"
>>
>> WASHINGTON - Seemingly taunting Osama bin Laden, President Bush's 
>> homeland security adviser said Sunday the fugitive al-Qaida leader 
>> is "virtually impotent" beyond his ability to hide away and spread 
>> anti-American propaganda.
>>
>> The provocative characterization came just days after bin Laden 
>> attracted international attention with the release of a video in 
>> which he ridicules President Bush about the Iraq war and reminds
>> the world that he not been captured.
>>
>> Ahead of the sixth anniversary of the Sept. 11 terrorist strikes, 
>> White House aide Frances Fragos Townsend made a clear attempt to 
>> diminish the influence _ or the perception _ of the man who 
>> masterminded those attacks.
>>
>> "This is about the best he can do," Townsend said of bin 
>> Laden. "This is a man on a run, from a cave, who's virtually
>> impotent other than these tapes."
> 
> 

[scifinoir2] Re: My Take - "3:10 to Yuma"

[g123curious]

Thanks for the plot summary. The plot sounds like the reverse of 
_High Noon_ (1952 with Gary Cooper in the lead)... getting the bad 
guy to the train instead of the bad guy getting off the train.

Is this film truly the best western since Eastwood's _Unforgiven_?

George

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> Summary: Down-on-his-luck Rancher Dan Evans undertakes a dangerous 
mission, joining a group of men taking outlaw Ben Wade to prison. 
They must survive Indians, others out to get Wade, and Wade's own 
gang in order to get him on the 3:10 train to Yuma.
> 
> My Quick Take: This is a fun, exciting movie in the tradition of 
old Westerns. There are bad guys, good (or not-so-bad) guys, and lots 
of action.  Plenty of chases and gunfights, even a few explosions. 
Russell Crowe as always is a captivating presence, dominating the 
screen and the scene. Christian Bale--almost a chameleon of an actor--
gets into his role as the desperate rancher. Good supporting cast, 
great cinematography and camera work, pulse-pounding music. Did I 
mention the gunfights? And the horse chases?  Really enjoyed this 
pic.  
> 
> My Full Take: At its core, the Western is a morality tale, the 
story of a basically good man struggling against sinister forces 
while remaining true to what's right. What those forces are—evil land 
barons, gunfighters, Mother Nature—is less important than the 
struggle the hero undertakes to overcome them.  When others abandon 
him—even when he doubts himself—the hero stands alone, fighting to 
the end.  
>  
> Rancher Dan Evans (Christian Bale) is such a man. Dan can barely 
hold his family together, battling drought, his younger son's 
tuberculosis, a land owner to whom he's heavily in debt, and his own 
physical limitations (having lost part of a leg in the Civil War). 
Dan can't even muster the energy to rebuke his oldest son's 
increasingly critical and disrespectful remarks, because they echo 
his own self-doubts. Dan feels his wife slowly slipping away from 
him, which only feeds his own growing desperation. Things get worse 
when the land owner's men burn down his barn and drive his cattle 
away as a warning to pay up or get out. 
>  
> As Dan and his boys later go to fetch the herd, they see in the 
distance a heist in progress. The infamous Ben Wade (Russell Crowe) 
and his gang are attacking a stagecoach. A real menace, Wade has 
committed over twenty heists, costing hundreds of thousands of 
dollars and the lives of dozens of men. In short order, Wade's gang 
has killed everyone and stolen the money. The sequence is thrilling, 
full of hyperkinetic energy as pursuers and the pursued engage in a 
desperate chase, horses galloping like mad, grizzled, hard-looking 
men cursing and yelling as they release a barrage of bullets. The 
whole scene is shot with frenetic close ups and gorgeous long pans, 
and driven by a musical score that heightens the action.  Who needs a 
car chase?
>  
> Later, when Wade is captured, Dan agrees to accompany the party 
taking Wade to catch the 3:10 train to Yuma prison—a desperate move 
motivated by the money he'll receive for the job.  The journey is 
rife with danger: Indians, other men hungry for vengeance on Wade, 
Wade's own pursuing gang, and worst of all, Wade himself.  
>  
> Crowe's Ben Wade is the kind of smooth villain who does pencil 
drawings during a holdup, uses his wits as much as his gun, reads the 
Bible, and treats women with charm and respect. He doesn't kill for 
sport: Wade spares Dan after the holdup even though his men want to 
kill him (a decision he later comes to regret). But this is not a bad 
guy with a good heart. He remains a cold-blooded killer, or as he 
says, "I'm rotten to the core".
>  
> It's Wade's dual nature that Dan must battle, as he fights to 
remember why he's risking all to turn in someone who's actually done 
him no personal harm. "Why don't you take the money and go home to 
your pretty wife?" Wade asks Dan. "What are you trying to prove?"
>  
> It's a good question, especially seeing that some of Dan's partners 
are almost as bad as Wade himself. But Dan is driven by his need for 
money and security. And, increasingly, the need to save the soul of 
his oldest son William, who starts to admire Wade as a kind of hero, 
strong where his father is weak.  Crazed by his need to do 
something "good for once", Dan pushes on past the point of reason.
>  
> "3:10 to Yuma" gets the Western mythos right. It's full of larger-
than-life characters. Dangers lurk behind every rock and bush. There 
are plenty of chases, fights, gun battles, explosions—enough for even 
modern tastes. The actors are good across the board. Russell Crowe is 
great as Wade, at times charming, at times chilling, always 
commanding. Christian Bale inhabits the role of the thin, bedraggled 
Dan Evans, a hero not by nature, but by need. The supporting cast is 
likewise good, especially Peter Fonda in a memorable but too-brief 
s

Re: [scifinoir2] A New V May Be Coming!!

[KeithBJohnson]

I'd add that she not be too young. I'm starting to tire of this fascination 
with very young and young-looking women. "Buffy" was cool, but now there seems 
to be a real push for the young, vulnerable, barely out of her teen years 
woman. Kate Bosworth as Lois Lane is a prime example. She looks and acts like 
such a little girl I was completely turned off by the character. The original 
actress who played Diana in "V" was 30 when the series aired. They need to get 
someone that old. Frankly, I dont' care what Hollywood thinks: "older" women 
work better in some roles, the same way men do. Frankly, a Diana who's well 
into her 40s would make more sense as the leader of an entire invasion force 
than some squeaky voiced girl barely into her 20s.  

By the way, although the age difference isn't as bad, I have somewhat the same 
problem with "The Bionic Woman". Lindsay Wagner was 27 when the original series 
aired. The new star is just 23...

-- Original message -- 
From: Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
I do not claim to speak for all of the men in our group, but uhm...pouty and
sexy in the red suit ? I¹m sorta FOR that. So long as it¹s a tight suit and
she¹s not blonde...I¹m good. She¹s a bad guy. I just need Diana to look
good and eat a mouse. It can be a mini-series for all I care, just please
give the empty calories and give some up and coming actors some work. It¹s
V. It won¹t be a Harlan Ellison script. Hell, not even a Warren Ellis
script. It¹s gonna be ³A leader who is charismatic and powerful lies to the
masses about his/her intent to take over a small country in the middle
ea---er, planet. A filmmaker/journalist (hmm) discovers the truth and goes
on a mission to expose the regime. He is captured. He escapes. The people
make noise. But the people are American, and so the regime does what it
wants anyway.² We¹ve not only SEEN this when it was done originally, we
watched Karl Rove remix it in real life.

All I ask is that they not make Diana blonde, and they can count on me for
at least three episodes.

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> Everybody knows that the star of the V series is Diana. Cast her wrong, and
> the show¹s useless.
> 
> Which is why it will be horrible. Diana will be pouty and sexy. She will walk
> around and bark orders. She will be ugly in the face with fish lips. She will
> be a young girl not a woman. It won't last.
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Homeland Security Adviser Dismisses bin Laden as "virtually impotent"

[KeithBJohnson]

Unfortunately, true. He reminds me of the Thin Blue Line with the police.  I 
always am amazed at how some cops feel that other cops need to back them up 
when they do wrong. I get the whole idea of trust, being able to put your life 
in your partner's hands if need be. But sometimes cops forget that their 
primary goal is to serve the *people*, and that a cop who's violated our trust 
isn't worthy of protection. Same with Bush. He and his gang are our servants, 
not the other way around, and he should be surrounded by people who remind him 
to do what's right by us, not by his narrow definition of right and wrong.

-- Original message -- 
From: "g123curious" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
In 6+ years, what I see is W doesn't hire deep thinkers or the 
brightest folks. W hires party-loyalists who are either connected or 
have given money to said campaign... folks who "drank and continue to 
drink the cool-ade." People who follow the party ideology blindly 
until they get impaled on a fence while wondering, 'where did that 
fence come from?' Only then do they change course, and only then 
reluctantly while blaming the Dems, Clinton, and everyone else.

George

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Jesus Christ, where does Bush keep finding these idiots?? I don't 
care if bin Laden was *only* capable of putting forth a few tapes a 
year, he's still an ideological danger. Don't care if he's tied to a 
dialysis machine 24/7, if he can't set foot outside his cave (or 
compound, more likely), he can still rally the faithful who subscribe 
to his beliefs. Doesn't this idiot lady get the root causes of 9/11 
and so much of the hatred America faces in the world? Does she not 
get that pure military might is the least of the obstacles we face in 
the world. Absolutely amazing she can make such a dumba** 
statement 
> 
> *
> 
> Homeland Security Adviser Dismisses bin Laden as "virtually 
impotent"
>
> WASHINGTON - Seemingly taunting Osama bin Laden, President Bush's 
homeland security adviser said Sunday the fugitive al-Qaida leader 
is "virtually impotent" beyond his ability to hide away and spread 
anti-American propaganda.
>
> The provocative characterization came just days after bin Laden 
attracted international attention with the release of a video in 
which he ridicules President Bush about the Iraq war and reminds the 
world that he not been captured.
>
> Ahead of the sixth anniversary of the Sept. 11 terrorist strikes, 
White House aide Frances Fragos Townsend made a clear attempt to 
diminish the influence _ or the perception _ of the man who 
masterminded those attacks.
>
> "This is about the best he can do," Townsend said of bin 
Laden. "This is a man on a run, from a cave, who's virtually impotent 
other than these tapes."




 

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Re: [scifinoir2] Iron Man Trailer

[KeithBJohnson]

I'm cautiously optimistic. Downey seemed a little too lighthearted for my 
tastes as Stark. But then, I lean towards liking the darker, angrier Tony Stark 
as opposed to the carefree playboy. The trailer's okay but I didn't see any FX 
to make me get as excited as you yet. Too early for me to even breathe that 
this movie could be better than The Dark Knight, 'cause that is a known 
quantity. 

What do you mean that Marvel wins yet again?

-- Original message -- 
From: Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 


http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/ironman/

My take: AAbsolutely. Yes. Sorry, folks. This is pretty dang gone
awesome. I can almost tolerate Gwyneth Paltrow in it, just because Robert
Downey, Jr. is perfect. "The Dark Knight" had better bring it, or Marvel
wins yet again. This is so far the only one of these comic movies I would
like to see in HD.


 

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Re: [scifinoir2] A New V May Be Coming!!

[KeithBJohnson]

in the main, I fear you're right, espeically with this youth obsession so many 
shows have nowadays...

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A new V would have too many pretty people and special effects. It would be 
like Roswell and Kyle X Y Shows I don't watch. It would have a lot of heavy 
metal music and very little character development. 

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Re: [scifinoir2] A New V May Be Coming!!

[Martin]

Don't remember that, pal. How did it end?

Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   No, the 
ending to the last miniseries was a bad omen...
 
 Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  The TV series never should've been 
done. Sooner a sequel on the mini-series.
 
 Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: My complaint about the TV series is 
that they had pretty people and it sucked...
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The first Diane was cool. She was charming and 
devious. I don't want a Diana 
 that looks like the Vulcan chick from Enterprise. She can't act, She has fish 
 lips and no personality. I don't want a remake of Battlestar or Xena . I want 
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Re: [scifinoir2] Homeland Security Adviser Dismisses bin Laden as "virtually impotent"

[Martin]

His speech wasn't meant to. Petraeus is Bush's creature. Bush wants no definite 
timeline, so Petraeus won't provide a reason to set one, no matter how much 
evidence requiring one is extant.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree to an extent. The problem is that fixing a 
country like this could take a decade or more, and no one in the administration 
wants to discuss real time. They keep dropping stuff like "stay the course", 
"let Iraq stand up so we can stand down", etc. Generalities can go on for 
generations. Petraeus's speech didn't much help pin down a timeline.

-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer  
Unfortunately, we'll do more damage if we leave Iraq now...We made a mess over 
there...if we leave now, we're asking for other countries we've made enemies of 
to screw with us...I know it doesn't make sense, but for some reason, when we 
pull out of a fight, people tend to think of us as wimps...very dumb getting 
involved in the first place, very dumb to walk away now...

Bosco Bosco  wrote: Keith

Isn't it possible that if you minimize the threat of Bin Laden in the
minds of the people then you can justify increased costs of doing
other things besides looking for him, like the Iraq war?

It's some kind of Orwellian conservo mind game. I'd lay money there
were folks behind her telling her to say it for reasons just like
that.

B
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Jesus Christ, where does Bush keep finding these idiots?? I don't
> care if bin Laden was *only* capable of putting forth a few tapes a
> year, he's still an ideological danger. Don't care if he's tied to
> a dialysis machine 24/7, if he can't set foot outside his cave (or
> compound, more likely), he can still rally the faithful who
> subscribe to his beliefs. Doesn't this idiot lady get the root
> causes of 9/11 and so much of the hatred America faces in the
> world? Does she not get that pure military might is the least of
> the obstacles we face in the world. Absolutely amazing she can make
> such a dumba** statement 
> 
> *
> 
> Homeland Security Adviser Dismisses bin Laden as "virtually
> impotent"
> WASHINGTON - Seemingly taunting Osama bin Laden, President Bush's
> homeland security adviser said Sunday the fugitive al-Qaida leader
> is "virtually impotent" beyond his ability to hide away and spread
> anti-American propaganda.
> The provocative characterization came just days after bin Laden
> attracted international attention with the release of a video in
> which he ridicules President Bush about the Iraq war and reminds
> the world that he not been captured.
> Ahead of the sixth anniversary of the Sept. 11 terrorist strikes,
> White House aide Frances Fragos Townsend made a clear attempt to
> diminish the influence _ or the perception _ of the man who
> masterminded those attacks.
> "This is about the best he can do," Townsend said of bin Laden.
> "This is a man on a run, from a cave, who's virtually impotent
> other than these tapes."
> In appearance on two Sunday talk shows, she used the "virtually
> impotent" reference both times, suggesting the language was chosen
> with careful purpose.
> "We know that al-Qaida is still determined to attack, and we take
> it seriously," Townsend said. "But this tape appears to be nothing
> more than threats. It's propaganda on their part."
> Townsend was considerably more direct than even Bush in rebuking
> bin Laden. The president responded to bin Laden's tape last week by
> saying it was a reminder that the world is dangerous and that Iraq
> is part of the war against extremists. He never identified bin
> Laden by name.
> The consensus of the nation's top intelligence analysts is that bin
> Laden's terrorist network is anything but impotent.
> Terrorism experts say the network is regrouping in the lawless
> Pakistan-Afghanistan border region. The latest National
> Intelligence Estimate says al-Qaida is growing in strength,
> intensifying its efforts to put operatives in the United States and
> plotting against U.S. targets that will cause massive casualties.
> The U.S. is in a "heightened threat environment" and al-Qaida is
> the most serious threat, the analysts found.
> The tape was the first time bin Laden had appeared in a new video
> since 2004. In the recording, bin Laden tells Americans they should
> convert to Islam if they want the war in Iraq to end. He makes no
> overt threats and does not directly call for attacks.
> "While he may be physically contained, his influence is not bounded
> by any physical barriers," said Thomas Sanderson, an authority on
> terrorism at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.
> "Obviously, in a sense, it does not matter that we've got him
> trapped in a cave. He has sent forth enough messages to incite
> violence worldwide against us," he said in an interview Sunday.
> Townsend said experts are doing a technical analysis, looking for
> clues about bin Laden's health and whereabouts.
> "There'

Re: [scifinoir2] Torchwood Premier Anyone?

[Martin]

LMNAO, pal!!! 

Gymfig, I think you're referring to Daleks, the Ultimate Racists. In their 
eyes, anything that isn't Dalek deserves to be wiped out.

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automated call systems...
 
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Re: [scifinoir2] bye to the Six in Baltar's head

[Martin]

If only we could say goodbye to Six altogether...

"Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
Parting Of The Ways Coming To 'Battlestar Galactica'


By MICHAEL HINMAN
Source: SyFy Portal
Sep-10-2007

This story contains possible MODERATE SPOILERS for the upcoming fourth 
season of "Battlestar Galactica."

There seems to be a lot of couples in SciFi Channel's now Emmy-winning 
"Battlestar Galactica," whether it be Saul Tigh and Ellen, Lee and 
Dualla, maybe even Will Adama and Laura. It's almost a shipper's paradise.

As expected, however, few relationships found in drama last long, and 
"Battlestar Galactica" is no different. However, one breakup coming up 
in the fourth season is one that probably no one had seen coming.

"Say good-bye to the Six in Baltar's head," a source told SyFy Portal's 
Michael Hinman. "As much as we like Baltar having this controlling 
figure literally in his head, we couldn't keep it up forever."

James Callis' character of Baltar has been visited by a mental version 
of Tricia Helfer's Six since the 2003 miniseries. And the third season 
episode "Downloaded" showed that he isn't the only one. The resurrected 
Caprica Six has a mental visitor of her own -- Gaius Baltar. Which, of 
course, has prompted a lot of questions from fans.

But Baltar won't be alone for long.

"We all know that [Baltar] can't follow the 'plan' by himself, so he 
will get another visitor," the source said. "He'll be paid a visit by 
his own likeness that had been helping [Caprica] Six. It should really 
make things interesting in the last season as everyone tries to figure 
out who the final Cylon is."

Who are these personas? The source won't say, but there has been a lot 
of speculation that they are all tied into the Leoben (Callum Keith 
Rennie) that Kara Thrace (Katee Sackhoff) saw in her "death" episode, 
"Maelstrom."

Of course, none of this has been confirmed by SciFi Channel or anyone 
else -- and is subject to change before the actual episodes air, so 
treat it was you would any rumor.

"Battlestar Galactica" returns in November with the telemovie "Razor," 
and then will begin its fourth and final season in early 2008.

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Re: [scifinoir2] Eureka will return, but probably Flash will not

[Martin]

I'm dancing for joy over the Eureka news, but I'm actually kinda down over 
Flash. Wasn't high art, for certain, but it didn't offend me nearly as much as 
I thought it would. I could watch the show and not feel cheated.

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Eureka' Looking At Another Season, 'Flash Gordon' Is Not


By MICHAEL HINMAN
Source: SyFy Portal
Sep-05-2007

Things are looking good for those setting up residence in the little 
town of "Eureka."

Sources close to SciFi Channel say the show -- as expected -- is looking 
at an almost definite third season following strong viewership numbers 
in the first part of the show's second season which included some larger 
sets and new faces.

The second season premiere last summer drew in 2.5 million viewers, down 
from the near 4 million who tuned in for the pilot -- but that was the 
largest audience to ever tune in for an original series episode on SciFi 
Channel at the time, so they probably get a little leeway.

"Eureka" has received strong popular reaction, almost to the point that 
some have speculated the show could move to sister network USA, but 
sources tell SciFi Portal that there's no chance that will happen.

Sadly, the same can't be said about "Flash Gordon." While its premiere 
did bring in some viewers, successive episodes have not. It's 1.5 
household rating premiere, which equates to about 1.7 million viewers, 
was the network's strongest series debut so far this year. But the other 
shows "Flash Gordon" beat out only lasted a single season and have 
already been canceled, like "The Dresden Files" and "Painkiller Jane." 
Plus, the rebroadcast of "Doctor Who" has been generating higher ratings 
than "Flash Gordon," highlighting the profit margin loss even for the 
network even more.

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Eureka' Looking At Another Season, 'Flash Gordon' Is Not


By MICHAEL HINMAN
Source: SyFy Portal
Sep-05-2007

Things are looking good for those setting up residence in the little 
town of "Eureka."

Sources close to SciFi Channel say the show -- as expected -- is looking 
at an almost definite third season following strong viewership numbers 
in the first part of the show's second season which included some larger 
sets and new faces.

The second season premiere last summer drew in 2.5 million viewers, down 
from the near 4 million who tuned in for the pilot -- but that was the 
largest audience to ever tune in for an original series episode on SciFi 
Channel at the time, so they probably get a little leeway.

"Eureka" has received strong popular reaction, almost to the point that 
some have speculated the show could move to sister network USA, but 
sources tell SciFi Portal that there's no chance that will happen.

Sadly, the same can't be said about "Flash Gordon." While its premiere 
did bring in some viewers, successive episodes have not. It's 1.5 
household rating premiere, which equates to about 1.7 million viewers, 
was the network's strongest series debut so far this year. But the other 
shows "Flash Gordon" beat out only lasted a single season and have 
already been canceled, like "The Dresden Files" and "Painkiller Jane." 
Plus, the rebroadcast of "Doctor Who" has been generating higher ratings 
than "Flash Gordon," highlighting the profit margin loss even for the 
network even more.

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Universal, so treat this as any rumor should be treated.

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[scifinoir2] bye to the Six in Baltar's head

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

Parting Of The Ways Coming To 'Battlestar Galactica'


By MICHAEL HINMAN
Source: SyFy Portal
Sep-10-2007

This story contains possible MODERATE SPOILERS for the upcoming fourth 
season of "Battlestar Galactica."

There seems to be a lot of couples in SciFi Channel's now Emmy-winning 
"Battlestar Galactica," whether it be Saul Tigh and Ellen, Lee and 
Dualla, maybe even Will Adama and Laura. It's almost a shipper's paradise.

As expected, however, few relationships found in drama last long, and 
"Battlestar Galactica" is no different. However, one breakup coming up 
in the fourth season is one that probably no one had seen coming.

"Say good-bye to the Six in Baltar's head," a source told SyFy Portal's 
Michael Hinman. "As much as we like Baltar having this controlling 
figure literally in his head, we couldn't keep it up forever."

James Callis' character of Baltar has been visited by a mental version 
of Tricia Helfer's Six since the 2003 miniseries. And the third season 
episode "Downloaded" showed that he isn't the only one. The resurrected 
Caprica Six has a mental visitor of her own -- Gaius Baltar. Which, of 
course, has prompted a lot of questions from fans.

But Baltar won't be alone for long.

"We all know that [Baltar] can't follow the 'plan' by himself, so he 
will get another visitor," the source said. "He'll be paid a visit by 
his own likeness that had been helping [Caprica] Six. It should really 
make things interesting in the last season as everyone tries to figure 
out who the final Cylon is."

Who are these personas? The source won't say, but there has been a lot 
of speculation that they are all tied into the Leoben (Callum Keith 
Rennie) that Kara Thrace (Katee Sackhoff) saw in her "death" episode, 
"Maelstrom."

Of course, none of this has been confirmed by SciFi Channel or anyone 
else -- and is subject to change before the actual episodes air, so 
treat it was you would any rumor.

"Battlestar Galactica" returns in November with the telemovie "Razor," 
and then will begin its fourth and final season in early 2008.

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