[scifinoir2] How the iPhone Blew Up the Wireless Industry

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

The demo was not going well.

Again.

It was a late morning in the fall of 2006. Almost a year earlier, Steve 
Jobs had tasked about 200 of Apple's top engineers with creating the 
iPhone. Yet here, in Apple's boardroom, it was clear that the prototype 
was still a disaster. It wasn't just buggy, it flat-out didn't work. The 
phone dropped calls constantly, the battery stopped charging before it 
was full, data and applications routinely became corrupted and unusable. 
The list of problems seemed endless. At the end of the demo, Jobs fixed 
the dozen or so people in the room with a level stare and said, "We 
don't have a product yet."

The effect was even more terrifying than one of Jobs' trademark 
tantrums. When the Apple chief screamed at his staff, it was scary but 
familiar. This time, his relative calm was unnerving. "It was one of the 
few times at Apple when I got a chill," says someone who was in the meeting.

The ramifications were serious. The iPhone was to be the centerpiece of 
Apple's annual Macworld convention, set to take place in just a few 
months. Since his return to Apple in 1997, Jobs had used the event as a 
showcase to launch his biggest products, and Apple-watchers were 
expecting another dramatic announcement. Jobs had already admitted that 
Leopard — the new version of Apple's operating system — would be 
delayed. If the iPhone wasn't ready in time, Macworld would be a dud, 
Jobs' critics would pounce, and Apple's stock price could suffer.

This 4.8-ounce sliver of glass and aluminum is an explosive device that 
has forever changed the mobile-phone business, wresting power from 
carriers and giving it to manufacturers, developers, and consumers.

And what would AT&T think? After a year and a half of secret meetings, 
Jobs had finally negotiated terms with the wireless division of the 
telecom giant (Cingular at the time) to be the iPhone's carrier. In 
return for five years of exclusivity, roughly 10 percent of iPhone sales 
in AT&T stores, and a thin slice of Apple's iTunes revenue, AT&T had 
granted Jobs unprecedented power. He had cajoled AT&T into spending 
millions of dollars and thousands of man-hours to create a new feature, 
so-called visual voicemail, and to reinvent the time-consuming in-store 
sign-up process. He'd also wrangled a unique revenue-sharing 
arrangement, garnering roughly $10 a month from every iPhone customer's 
AT&T bill. On top of all that, Apple retained complete control over the 
design, manufacturing, and marketing of the iPhone. Jobs had done the 
unthinkable: squeezed a good deal out of one of the largest players in 
the entrenched wireless industry. Now, the least he could do was meet 
his deadlines.

For those working on the iPhone, the next three months would be the most 
stressful of their careers. Screaming matches broke out routinely in the 
hallways. Engineers, frazzled from all-night coding sessions, quit, only 
to rejoin days later after catching up on their sleep. A product manager 
slammed the door to her office so hard that the handle bent and locked 
her in; it took colleagues more than an hour and some well-placed whacks 
with an aluminum bat to free her.

But by the end of the push, just weeks before Macworld, Jobs had a 
prototype to show to the suits at AT&T. In mid-December 2006, he met 
wireless boss Stan Sigman at a suite in the Four Seasons hotel in Las 
Vegas. He showed off the iPhone's brilliant screen, its powerful Web 
browser, its engaging user interface. Sigman, a taciturn Texan steeped 
in the conservative engineering traditions that permeate America's big 
phone companies, was uncharacteristically effusive, calling the iPhone 
"the best device I have ever seen." (Details of this and other key 
moments in the making of the iPhone were provided by people with 
knowledge of the events. Apple and AT&T would not discuss these meetings 
or the specific terms of the relationship.)

Six months later, on June 29, 2007, the iPhone went on sale. At press 
time, analysts were speculating that customers would snap up about 3 
million units by the end of 2007, making it the fastest-selling 
smartphone of all time. It is also arguably Apple's most profitable 
device. The company nets an estimated $80 for every $399 iPhone it 
sells, and that's not counting the $240 it makes from every two-year 
AT&T contract an iPhone customer signs. Meanwhile, about 40 percent of 
iPhone buyers are new to AT&T's rolls, and the iPhone has tripled the 
carrier's volume of data traffic in cities like New York and San Francisco.

But as important as the iPhone has been to the fortunes of Apple and 
AT&T, its real impact is on the structure of the $11 billion-a-year US 
mobile phone industry. For decades, wireless carriers have treated 
manufacturers like serfs, using access to their networks as leverage to 
dictate what phones will get made, how much they will cost, and what 
features will be available on them. Handsets were viewed largely as 
cheap, disp

[scifinoir2] Grass Makes Better Ethanol than Corn Does

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

Farmers in Nebraska and the Dakotas brought the U.S. closer to becoming 
a biofuel economy, planting huge tracts of land for the first time with 
switchgrass—a native North American perennial grass (Panicum virgatum) 
that often grows on the borders of cropland naturally—and proving that 
it can deliver more than five times more energy than it takes to grow it.

Working with the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA), the farmers 
tracked the seed used to establish the plant, fertilizer used to boost 
its growth, fuel used to farm it, overall rainfall and the amount of 
grass ultimately harvested for five years on fields ranging from seven 
to 23 acres in size (three to nine hectares).

Once established, the fields yielded from 5.2 to 11.1 metric tons of 
grass bales per hectare, depending on rainfall, says USDA plant 
scientist Ken Vogel. "It fluctuates with the timing of the 
precipitation,'' he says. "Switchgrass needs most of its moisture in 
spring and midsummer. If you get fall rains, it's not going to do that 
year's crops much good."

But yields from a grass that only needs to be planted once would deliver 
an average of 13.1 megajoules of energy as ethanol for every megajoule 
of petroleum consumed—in the form of nitrogen fertilizers or diesel for 
tractors—growing them. "It's a prediction because right now there are no 
biorefineries built that handle cellulosic material" like that which 
switchgrass provides, Vogel notes. "We're pretty confident the ethanol 
yield is pretty close." This means that switchgrass ethanol delivers 540 
percent of the energy used to produce it, compared with just roughly 25 
percent more energy returned by corn-based ethanol according to the most 
optimistic studies.

The U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) is partially funding the 
construction of six such cellulosic biorefineries, estimated to cost a 
total of $1.2 billion. The first to be built will be the Range Fuels 
Biorefinery in Soperton, Ga., which will process wood waste from the 
timber industry into biofuels and chemicals. The DOE is providing an 
initial $50 million to start construction.

"Cost competitive, energy responsible cellulosic ethanol made from 
switchgrass or from forestry waste like sawdust and wood chips requires 
a more complex refining process but it's worth the investment," Energy 
Secretary Samuel Bodman said at the Range Fuels facility groundbreaking 
in November. "Cellulosic ethanol contains more net energy and emits 
significantly fewer greenhouse gases than ethanol made from corn."

In fact, Vogel and his team report this week in Proceedings of the 
National Academy of Sciences USA that switchgrass will store enough 
carbon in its relatively permanent root system to offset 94 percent of 
the greenhouse gases emitted both to cultivate it and from the derived 
ethanol burned by vehicles. Of course, this estimate also relies on 
using the leftover parts of the grass itself as fuel for the 
biorefinery. "The lignin in the plant cell walls can be burned," Vogel says.

The use of native prairie grasses is meant to avoid some of the other 
risks associated with biofuels such as reduced diversity of local animal 
life and displacing food crops with fuel crops. "This is an energy crop 
that can be grown on marginal land," Vogel argues, such as the more than 
35 million acres (14.2 million hectares) of marginal land that farmers 
are currently paid not to plant under the terms of USDA's Conservation 
Reserve Program.

But even a native prairie grass needs a helping hand from scientists and 
farmers to deliver the yields necessary to help ethanol become a viable 
alternative to petroleum-derived gasoline, Vogel argues. "To really 
maximize their yield potential, you need to provide nitrogen 
fertilization," he says, as well as improved breeding techniques and 
genetic strains. "Low input systems are just not going to be able to get 
the energy per acre needed to provide feed, fuel and fiber."
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=grass-makes-better-ethanol-than-corn

[scifinoir2] [Fwd: FW: fisher-price voting machine]

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Go to the link provided and try to vote democrat
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Why a Two-Party system?

[Justin Mohareb]

Are you referring to Senator Sumner?

We have a Sergeant At Arms to prevent such a thing.

JJ Mohareb

On Jan 10, 2008 9:51 AM, Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I just like any system where if you don¹t agree with someone, regardless of
>  party, you can jump over a table and punch them in the mouth. Sometimes, a
>  punch in the mouth gets a lot done and saves the tax payers a lot of money.
>
>
>  On 1/9/08 10:53 PM, "Justin Mohareb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  >
>  > On Jan 9, 2008 11:04 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  >  > wrote:
>  >> >
>  >> > i like the idea of a parliamentary system as well.
>  >
>  > Yeah, it kinda rocks.
>  >
>  > JJ Mohareb
>
>  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: [scifinoir2] Comcast Cable Reveals Ambitious Plans at CES

[Astromancer]

They already have a transporter for that...

Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Pal, I suspect that that 100 Mbps 
link will come with a two-way funnel, the better to siphon the cash from your 
wallet.

Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 100 megabit download speed...I'm still 
waiting for the 7 mbps...

Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I see, hear and feel you, pal.

Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I haven't read the entire thread, but I 
heard that Comcast was purposely constricting streaming video and downloads 
from peer to peer groups to conserve bandwith...That would explain why 
downloads are just as slow as when I had a Pentium III...I really hate 
Comcrap...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fascinating. Comcast Cable is promising me 100 
*megabit* download speed within the year, a plethora of HD movies, and 
--finally! finally--the ability for me to *buy* my own cable box at the 
store, or get it inside a TV, instead of renting one from them? Oh, and the new 
system of cable signalling will be oh-so-cool and universally accessible and 
open, it's damn near the Linux of broadband??

A year ago when i moved into my home, i had Comcast transfer my account from my 
old place. As a deal to keep me, they promised me one free cable box, with no 
rental fee at all. I'd only pay for one box. The cable guy showed up, took 
three hours to run the cable, confirmed the operation of both boxes with the 
home office, but left without providing a grounding rod (to prevent against 
lightning strikes) for my house. Called them about it and was told to buy a 
metal rod at Home Depot, cut it to size, attach the ground wire, and drive it 
into the ground myself. 

That night, discovered my account was messed up so that I couldn't get the 
Internet. I spent three hours on the phone with them straightening it out, and 
had to help the tech puzzle out my problem and solution. That lasted from 10 pm 
to 1 am. At one point the tech blamed me for the lack of Web access, saying it 
was my wireless router causing the problem. Explained the router had to *get* a 
signal from them before it could jack up that signal, and that wireless doesn't 
intefere with the signal across an Ethernet cable, and what kind of idiot did 
she think i was that i'd be testing a new connection with the wireless instead 
of a hard wired connection? Okay, if you say so Mr. Johnson, but could you turn 
off the wireless just to be safe?

Got my first bill, notice my middle name is wrong. A year later--a year!--they 
say my name's correct on their side, I've had at least a dozen conversations 
about it, but my middle name is still wrong on the bill and on my Internet 
account management site. 
They can't change one middle initial, but somehow the charges keep finding my 
house.

In the last year I've had them reset both my cable boxes several times due to 
signal issues. They once scheduled a tech to come out on a Sunday, during the 
very narrowly defined window of "sometime in the afternoon". Stayed around all 
day one sunny day, he never showed. Called them, said they'd fixed the problem 
remotely and he didn't have to show, and no we didn't call you to let you know 
you could have enjoyed your Sunday.
Surprised the cops didn't show up after my response.

Called to add a couple of channels last week, they got that done on one box, 
but not the "free" box. Called back, was told that I only have one box, even 
though I'm staring at the second box. The same "free" box they'd reset remotely 
several times, but which was evidently all in my mind. Then told the second 
box--the "Free" one--is on some lady's account somewhere in Atlanta and she's 
been getting the rental fee I should have been paying for that "free" box, and 
no, we don't have any deal for a "free" box so you have to pay for it. Oh, and 
the tech has to go to lunch but would call back, hung up, never called back. 
Called Comcast three hours later, was told she'd gone home, and no, they don't 
have the records of our conversation because even though they're an eleventy 
billion dollar high tech company promising me instantaneous movie downloads, 
their computer system doesn't let themt see the customer service call records 
of another rep. But they'll leave her a message to
call back.

She never did.

Two days later on my "day off"--really a comp day after my having worked 17 
hours on a problem at my job and running on two hours sleep--i called them. Was 
told I had to take the "free" box to their store and get another one, which I'd 
be charged for because we've never offered anyone a "free" box and you've been 
getting away with something. One tirade later, they finally found those records 
that the box was "free", but not sure "Free" would apply once I add or remove 
channels. Can't tell you why, Mr. Johnson, the box is no longer "free" like we 
promised just because you add or remove channels, but we'll investigate. 
That'll take a week to ten days and no, you can't get t

[scifinoir2] Peter Parker and MJ No More

[KeithBJohnson]

Not sure how many of you still read comics, so you may not have heard about a 
major change in the Marvel Universe recently. In a word: Peter Parker and Mary 
Jane are no longer married. But hold on a minute: this wasn't a divorce, not 
due to Mary Jane's death. No, nothing so pedestrian in the MU. Instead, the 
marriage is over because it *never* happened!

Don't know if you'd followed the events of the so-called "Civil War" in the MU 
the last year. Long-story-short, the government decided to force all beings 
with super powers or costumed identities to register their identities and 
become government sanctioned agents. A big schism developed with heroes for and 
against this Superhuman Registration Act. Initially for the Act, Peter Parker 
actually revealed his secret identity to the world in order to show his 
support. Later, seeing the liberty-infringing acts those in favor of the SHRA 
committed, Pete turned against the Act. This made him a fugitive from the law, 
and soon he, MJ, and his Aunt May were on the run--both from the government, 
and for the many, many supervillians now out to get revenge on Spidey.

Aunt May is shot by the Kingpin's assassin and mortally wounded. Pete spends 
days trying to find a way to cure her, but nothing works: not a transfusion of 
his blood, Dr. Strange's magicks, or medical science. Finally, Pete and MJ are 
approached by the demon Mephisto, who offers them a deal: he will cure Aunt 
May, in exchange for allowing him to erase their marriage from existence. It 
would be as if it never existed, that timeline removed from history. The catch? 
Mephisto would allow a "small part" of their subconcious minds to remember and 
feel the deep love they had for each other. This little piece of their 
hearts--buried but poignant--would cause in both of them a lingering pain, a 
remembrance of something half remembered but never fulfilled. It would lead, he 
says, to their suffering, and inability for either of them to ever be happy. 
And that pain, to Mephisto, would be as sweet as nectar.

In desperation, they consent. Pete, feeling responsible for May's death, is 
still about to refuse, but MJ insists that their love can never be erased. 
They'll find their way back to each other again, she says.  At the stroke of 
midnight, Mephisto starts the enchantment. One more barb he has though: just as 
the deal is sealed, he shows them the image of a little girl who'd visited 
Peter in a vision earlier that day. That girl, he reveals, was the daughter 
they'll now never have. As the couple despair of what they've done, the clock 
strikes twelve and their memories are slowly erased. 

Flash to a new scene and we see a younger(!) Peter Parker, still living at home 
with a very much alive Aunt May. We see Harry Osborn back from the dead as 
well. And at a party for Harry, we see Pete and MJ, uncomfortable around each 
other, apparently having dated, but not staying together.  

And thus begins a new/old era for Spider-Man. I guess Pete's going back to the 
young, troubled single guy with girl troubles, sneaking out of May's house, 
trying to hide his identity from her. I have no idea how Marvel's tying this in 
to Peter--an older Peter--having been involved in the Civil War, though 
obviously his secret identity is secret once again.   Not sure how i feel about 
this. Don't think i like it, but Marvel seems to feel that the majority of fans 
never really liked Peter tied down in a marriage. This will revitalize the 
franchise, they claim. 

I will admit that while I was bemoaning what was happening, i was moved by 
those final, heart wrenching scenes as pete and MJ cling to each other, there 
lives literally being ripped apart by the gleeful demon.  This was Spider-Man 
writer J. Michael Stracyznki's final run on the book and he went out memorably. 
 Is it a winning move?

Time will tell

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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: [Fwd:"Lynch (Tiger Woods) In A Back Alley" !?!?!?]

[Astromancer]

If there was 100% zero-tolerance across the board, I think it would have been 
more effective...Instead, this will pass into oblivion in about a day and 
they'll be back at it...No impact whatsoever on the media...

ravenadal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  The point is that under NO 
circumstances should a commentator be
allowed to use the public airways to utter a comment as repugnant as
the one she uttered. The Golf Channel should have had the sensitivity
to suspend Tilghman immediately. Not four days later. In what public
context should it be okay to say a black man should be taken out to
the back alley and lynched?

~rave!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Well I think she was suspended for the wrong reason...Yes, I
understand what she said offended and outraged some viewers, but
because she was suspended JUST to appease the viewers, it rings hollow
to me...She was definitely not repentant, nor was the person she made
the remark to offended, so what was the point???
> 
> ravenadal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Apparently Al Sharpton
went on televsion this morning, doing what he 
> do, and three hours later Ms. Kelly Tilghman was suspended for two 
> weeks.
> 
> Earlier, through his agent, Tiger had accepted Ms. Tilghman's 
> apology. Which, I thought, was mighty white of him.
> 
> ~rave!
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly 
> Tracey L. Minor)"  wrote:
> >
> >  Original Message 
> > Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:08:41 -
> > From: Low Key 
> > 
> > Tilghman apologizes for 'lynch' Tiger remark
> > 
> > Golfweek.com 
> > 
> > Updated: January 10, 2008, 11:53 AM EST 
> > 
> > You certainly have to file Kelly Tilghman's on-air, on-camera 
> > comments during the Golf Channel's coverage of the Mercedes-Benz 
> > Championship under the "What was she thinking?" column.
> > 
> > During their usual post-round banter as they wrapped up Day 2 at 
> the 
> > Plantation Course at Kapalua, Tilghman and cohort Nick Faldo 
> > discussed young players who could possibly challenge Tiger. Faldo, 
> > ever the joker, said perhaps the youngsters should "gang up (on 
> > Tiger) for a while." The pair laughed a bit before Tilghman 
> responded 
> > by saying, "Lynch him in a back alley." The pair chuckled awkwardly 
> > before moving on.
> > 
> > The Golf Channel said it received a limited number of complaints 
> > regarding the comment.
> > 
> > Tilghman, realizing her faux pas, explained her comments during the 
> > final-round broadcast despite the possibility she could have swept 
> > the incident under the mat.
> > 
> > "I've reached out to Tiger to make an apology, and I've done the 
> same 
> > with our viewers," Tilghman said.
> > 
> > "I can assure you that there was never any intention to offend 
> > anyone. I'm sorry for any misunderstanding."
> > 
> > Attempts to reach Woods or his agent, Mark Steinberg of IMG, were 
> > unsuccessful. A Golf Channel spokesman said no disciplinary action 
> is 
> > planned, "other than the mistake she made is regrettable and an 
> > extreme learning experience for her." 
> > 
> > Video:
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ARQqKPaDf8
> > 
> > Read this article at:
> > http://msn.foxsports.com/golf/story/7651694 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> "Akin, but no matter what you think, I am concerned for your life,
so I'll only say this once; if you talk too much or ask too many
questions, you might say something that interests the Community, and
you really, really don't want to get them interested." - The Side
Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie
> 
> -
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> 
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"Akin, but no matter what you think, I am concerned for your life, so I’ll only 
say this once; if you talk too much or ask too many questions, you might say 
something that interests the Community, and you really, really don’t want to 
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[scifinoir2] NEW BUSH COINS - Change for te Better

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

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[scifinoir2] 5 yr old on no-fly list & detained

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

 Original Message 
Subject:RE: Thank you Homeland security for keeping us safe
Date:   Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:16:18 -0800
From:   Chris de Morsella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Tracey de Morsella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,

Link  
*http://www.boingboing.net/2008/01/09/tsa-searches-detains.html*


*TSA searches, detains 5 year old because his name was on no-fly list*
Posted by Cory Doctorow
A five-year-old boy was taken into custody and thoroughly searched at
Sea-Tac because his name is similar to a possible terrorist alias. As
the Consumerist reports, "When his mother went to pick him up and hug
him and comfort him during the proceedings, she was told not to touch
him because he was a national security risk. They also had to frisk her
again to make sure the little Dillinger hadn't passed anything dangerous
weapons or materials to his mother when she hugged him."

It's a case of a mistaken identity for a 5-year-old boy from Normandy
Park. He had trouble boarding a plane because someone with the same name
is wanted by the federal government. Mimi Jung reports from Sea-Tac
Airport.

You know, if you wanted to systematically discredit the idea of a
Department of Homeland Security, if you wanted to make an utter mockery
of aviation safety, you could //not// do a better job than this. Link
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Consumerist /)





 
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[scifinoir2] Four Wheels for the Masses: the $2500 Car

[ravenadal]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/08/business/worldbusiness/08indiacar.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

January 8, 2008

Four Wheels for the Masses: The $2,500 Car

By ANAND GIRIDHARADAS

MUMBAI, India — What does it take to build the world's cheapest car?

For Tata Motors of India, which will introduce its ultra-cheap car on
Thursday, the better question was, what could it take out?

The company has kept its new vehicle under wraps, but interviews with
suppliers and others involved in its construction reveal some of its
cost-cutting engineering secrets — including a hollowed out
steering-wheel shaft, a trunk with space for a briefcase and a
rear-mounted engine not much more powerful than a high-end riding mower.

The upside is a car expected to retail for as little as the equivalent
of $2,500, or about the price of the optional DVD player on the Lexus
LX 470 sport utility vehicle.

The downside is a car that would most likely fail emission and safety
standards on any Western road, and, perhaps, in India in a few years,
when the country imposes tougher environmental standards.

But Tata is not looking to ply California's highways. Instead, the
company wants to provide four-wheel transportation for the first time
to people accustomed to getting around on two, including hundreds of
millions of Indians and others in the developing world.

Even so, the "People's Car" (a nickname, since Tata has kept the real
name under wraps, too) may ultimately affect what many people drive
around the world, since it is part of a broader trend among carmakers
to try to build less expensive cars.

"It's basically throwing out everything the auto industry had thought
about cost structures in the past and taking out a clean sheet of
paper and asking, `What's possible?'" said Daryl T. Rolley, head of
North American and Asian operations for Ariba, which helps supply
parts to Tata, BMW, Toyota and other carmakers. "In the next five to
10 years, the whole auto industry is going to be flipped upside down."

The French-Japanese alliance Renault-Nissan and the Indian-Japanese
joint venture Maruti Suzuki are trying to figure out how to make
ultra-cheap cars for India. And struggling Western automakers are
looking to see where the cost-obsessed ethos of the developing world
can help their bottom line. In the most recent example, Ford was
expected to announce Tuesday that it would make India its
manufacturing hub for low-cost cars.

Some analysts are predicting that just as the Japanese popularized
kanban (just in time) and kaizen (continuous improvement), Indians
could export a kind of "Gandhian engineering," combining irreverence
for conventional ways of thinking with a frugality born of scarcity.
Or, as Indian auto executive Ashok K. Taneja describes the philosophy,
"When I need silver, why am I investing in gold?"

Some of the few people who have seen the car describe a tiny,
charming, four-door, five-seater hatchback shaped like a jelly bean,
small in the front and broad in the back, the better to reduce wind
resistance and permit a cheaper engine. "It's a nice car — cute," said
A. K. Chaturvedi, senior vice president of business development at
Lumax Industries, a supplier in Delhi that developed the car's
headlights and interior lamps.

Driving the cost-cutting were Tata's engineers, who in an earlier
project questioned whether their trucks really needed all four brake
pads or could make do with three. As they built Tata's new car, for
about half the price of the next-cheapest Indian alternative, their
guiding philosophy was: Do we really need that?

The model appearing on Thursday has no radio, no power steering, no
power windows, no air-conditioning and one windshield wiper instead of
two, according to suppliers and Tata's own statements. Bucking
prevailing habits, the car lacks a tachometer and uses an analog
rather than digital speedometer, according to Mr. Taneja, who until
recently was president of the Automotive Component Manufacturers
Association of India, representing many of Tata's suppliers as they
signed deals with the company.

Frugal engineering pervades the car's internal machinery, too, with
even greater implications for the vehicle's safety and longevity.

To save $10, Tata engineers redesigned the suspension to eliminate
actuators in the headlights, the levelers that adjust the angle of the
beam depending on how the car is loaded, according to Mr. Chaturvedi
of Lumax. In lieu of the solid steel beam that typically connects
steering wheels to axles, one supplier, Sona Koyo Steering Systems,
used a hollow tube, said Kiran Deshmukh, the chief operating officer
of the company, which is based in Delhi.

Tata chose wheel bearings that are strong enough to drive the car up
to 45 miles an hour, but they will wear quickly above that speed,
reducing the car's life span but not threatening consumer safety,
according to Mr. Taneja. The car's top speed is 75 miles an hour.

Reducing the weight curbed material costs and enabled the company t

[scifinoir2] Early Spring for Michelle Rodriguez

[ravenadal]

I am a Rodriquez fan and I was really bummed out when her character,
Ana-Lucia, was shot and killed on "Lost."

~rave!

http://www.eonline.com/news/article/index.jsp?uuid=8e4acb2a-bb8c-4ac0-b359-4dcb71a2cc7e

Michelle Rodriguez is the latest celebrity recipient of a
get-out-of-jail-early card.

The former Lost star was released from Century Regional Detention
Facility in Lynwood, California, Wednesday after serving just 18 days
of her 180-day sentence for violating her probation in a DUI case.

Rodriguez was reportedly set free early due to overcrowded conditions
at the jail, despite the fact that a judge had ordered her to serve
out her full sentence with no option of work furlough, early release
or home confinement.

Sheriff's Department spokesman Steve Whitmore denied that Rodriguez
received any special treatment as a result of her celebrity status.

"She was treated the same way as all female inmates," Whitmore said in
a statement. "The sheriff supports the desire to have inmates serve
their full sentence but is limited because of the extent of overcrowding."

Lindsay Lohan and Nicole Richie each served just over an hour of their
respective DUI sentences at the same facility, while Paris Hilton was
released 23 days into her 45-day sentence for a probation violation.

Rodriguez was handed her sentence in October, after she owned up to
failing to complete her 30 hours of court-ordered community service.
She also acknowledged drinking alcohol on several occasions in
defiance of the monitoring bracelet on her ankle.

Over the years, Rodriguez's police file has been growing steadily thicker.

The Girlfight star was sentenced to three years' probation in 2004
after she pleaded no contest to misdemeanor DUI, hit and run and
driving with a suspended license.

Her L.A.-based probation was revoked last year after she racked up a
string of speeding tickets in Hawaii while filming Lost, not to
mention a DUI arrest in December 2005, for which she served four days
in an Oahu lockup.

In May 2006, she was sentenced to 60 days in jail for violating her
probation but was released after just four hours and 20 minutes due,
once again, to overcrowding.

[scifinoir2] Kucinich asks for NH Recount for Election Integrity

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

Kucinich asks for New Hampshire recount in the interest of election 
integrity
http://tinyurl.com/29evgr
http://www.dennis4president.com/
DETROIT, MI – Democratic Presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich, the 
most outspoken advocate in the Presidential field and in Congress for 
election integrity, paper-ballot elections, and campaign finance reform, 
has sent a letter to the New Hampshire Secretary of State asking for a 
recount of Tuesday’s election because of “unexplained disparities 
between hand-counted ballots and machine-counted ballots.”
...
He added, “Ever since the 2000 election – and even before – the American 
people have been losing faith in the belief that their votes were 
actually counted. This recount isn’t about who won 39% of 36% or even 
1%. It’s about establishing whether 100% of the voters had 100% of their 
votes counted exactly the way they cast them.”

Kucinich, who drew about 1.4% of the New Hampshire Democratic primary 
vote, wrote, “This is not about my candidacy or any other individual 
candidacy. It is about the integrity of the election process.” No other 
Democratic candidate, he noted, has stepped forward to question or 
pursue the claims being made.

“New Hampshire is in the unique position to address – and, if so 
determined, rectify – these issues before they escalate into a massive, 
nationwide suspicion of the process by which Americans elect their 
President. Based on the controversies surrounding the Presidential 
elections in 2004 and 2000, New Hampshire is in a prime position to 
investigate possible irregularities and to issue findings for the 
benefit of the entire nation,” Kucinich wrote in his letter.

“Without an official recount, the voters of New Hampshire and the rest 
of the nation will never know whether there are flaws in our electoral 
system that need to be identified and addressed at this relatively early 
point in the Presidential nominating process,” said Kucinich

[scifinoir2] Go Green and stay charged! (Solar powered laptop bag)

[ravenadal]

http://current.com/items/88810307_laptop_bag_charges_laptop_by_solar_power

Go green and stay charged!  For first time Voltaic have managed to
generate enough energy to charge a laptop, their other outputs could
only handle smaller gadgets like a mobile phone or camera.

The bag acts as a super-powered solar charger, it's one solar panel
should be able to produce up to 14.7 watts of power, which supposedly
is enough to fully charge not only your laptop, but your mobile and
your mp3 player. 

~rave!

[scifinoir2] Re: [Fwd:"Lynch (Tiger Woods) In A Back Alley" !?!?!?]

[ravenadal]

The point is that under NO circumstances should a commentator be
allowed to use the public airways to utter a comment as repugnant as
the one she uttered.  The Golf Channel should have had the sensitivity
to suspend Tilghman immediately.  Not four days later.  In what public
context should it be okay to say a black man should be taken out to
the back alley and lynched?

~rave!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Well I think she was suspended for the wrong reason...Yes, I
understand what she said offended and outraged some viewers, but
because she was suspended JUST to appease the viewers, it rings hollow
to me...She was definitely not repentant, nor was the person she made
the remark to offended, so what was the point???
> 
> ravenadal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   Apparently Al Sharpton
went on televsion this morning, doing what he 
> do, and three hours later Ms. Kelly Tilghman was suspended for two 
> weeks.
> 
> Earlier, through his agent, Tiger had accepted Ms. Tilghman's 
> apology. Which, I thought, was mighty white of him.
> 
> ~rave!
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly 
> Tracey L. Minor)"  wrote:
> >
> >  Original Message 
> > Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:08:41 -
> > From: Low Key 
> > 
> > Tilghman apologizes for 'lynch' Tiger remark
> > 
> > Golfweek.com 
> > 
> > Updated: January 10, 2008, 11:53 AM EST 
> > 
> > You certainly have to file Kelly Tilghman's on-air, on-camera 
> > comments during the Golf Channel's coverage of the Mercedes-Benz 
> > Championship under the "What was she thinking?" column.
> > 
> > During their usual post-round banter as they wrapped up Day 2 at 
> the 
> > Plantation Course at Kapalua, Tilghman and cohort Nick Faldo 
> > discussed young players who could possibly challenge Tiger. Faldo, 
> > ever the joker, said perhaps the youngsters should "gang up (on 
> > Tiger) for a while." The pair laughed a bit before Tilghman 
> responded 
> > by saying, "Lynch him in a back alley." The pair chuckled awkwardly 
> > before moving on.
> > 
> > The Golf Channel said it received a limited number of complaints 
> > regarding the comment.
> > 
> > Tilghman, realizing her faux pas, explained her comments during the 
> > final-round broadcast despite the possibility she could have swept 
> > the incident under the mat.
> > 
> > "I've reached out to Tiger to make an apology, and I've done the 
> same 
> > with our viewers," Tilghman said.
> > 
> > "I can assure you that there was never any intention to offend 
> > anyone. I'm sorry for any misunderstanding."
> > 
> > Attempts to reach Woods or his agent, Mark Steinberg of IMG, were 
> > unsuccessful. A Golf Channel spokesman said no disciplinary action 
> is 
> > planned, "other than the mistake she made is regrettable and an 
> > extreme learning experience for her." 
> > 
> > Video:
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ARQqKPaDf8
> > 
> > Read this article at:
> > http://msn.foxsports.com/golf/story/7651694 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> "Akin, but no matter what you think, I am concerned for your life,
so I'll only say this once; if you talk too much or ask too many
questions, you might say something that interests the Community, and
you really, really don't want to get them interested." - The Side
Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie
>
> -
> Looking for last minute shopping deals?  Find them fast with Yahoo!
Search.
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Reversal Of Alzheimer's Symptoms Within Minutes In Human Study

[Astromancer]

How horrible...I wish it had come along sooner for your father, Rave...

ravenadal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  As someone who has watched a 
parent wither away from the savage 
ravages of Alzheimer's (my father literally starved to death after 
he "forgot" how to swallow), I am heartened by any progress made to 
combat this insidious disease.

~rave!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly 
Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> ScienceDaily (Jan. 9, 2008) â€" An extraordinary new scientific 
study, 
> which for the first time documents marked improvement in 
Alzheimer’s 
> disease within minutes of administration of a therapeutic molecule, 
has 
> just been published in the Journal of Neuroinflammation.
> 
> This new study highlights the importance of certain soluble 
proteins, 
> called cytokines, in Alzheimer’s disease. The study focuses on 
one of 
> these cytokines, tumor necrosis factor-alpha(TNF), a critical 
component 
> of the brain’s immune system. Normally, TNF finely regulates the 
> transmission of neural impulses in the brain. The authors 
hypothesized 
> that elevated levels of TNF in Alzheimer’s disease interfere with 
this 
> regulation. To reduce elevated TNF, the authors gave patients an 
> injection of an anti-TNF therapeutic called etanercept. Excess TNF-
alpha 
> has been documented in the cerebrospinal fluid of patients with 
Alzheimer’s.
> 
> The new study documents a dramatic and unprecedented therapeutic 
effect 
> in an Alzheimer’s patient: improvement within minutes following 
delivery 
> of perispinal etanercept, which is etanercept given by injection in 
the 
> spine. Etanercept (trade name Enbrel) binds and inactivates excess 
TNF. 
> Etanercept is FDA approved to treat a number of immune-mediated 
> disorders and is used off label in the study.
> 
> The use of anti-TNF therapeutics as a new treatment choice for many 
> diseases, such as rheumatoid arthritis and potentially even 
Alzheimer’s, 
> was recently chosen as one of the top 10 health stories of 2007 by 
the 
> Harvard Health Letter.
> 
> Similarly, the Neurotechnology Industry Organization has recently 
> selected new treatment targets revealed by neuroimmunology (such as 
> excess TNF) as one of the top 10 Neuroscience Trends of 2007. And 
the 
> Dana Alliance for Brain Initiatives has chosen the pilot study 
using 
> perispinal etanercept for Alzheimer’s for inclusion and 
discussion in 
> their 2007 Progress Report on Brain Research.
> 
> The lead author of the study, Edward Tobinick M.D., is an assistant 
> clinical professor of medicine at the University of California, Los 
> Angeles and director of the Institute for Neurological Research, a 
> private medical group in Los Angeles. Hyman Gross, M.D., clinical 
> professor of neurology at the University of Southern California, 
was 
> co-author.
> 
> The study is accompanied by an extensive commentary by Sue Griffin, 
> Ph.D., director of research at the Donald W. Reynolds Institute on 
Aging 
> at the University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences (UAMS) in Little 
Rock 
> and at the Geriatric Research and Clinical Center at the VA 
Hospital in 
> Little Rock, who along with Robert Mrak, M.D., chairman of 
pathology at 
> University of Toledo Medical School, are editors-in-chief of the 
Journal 
> of Neuroinflammation.
> 
> Griffin and Mrak are pioneers in the field of neuroinflammation. 
Griffin 
> published a landmark study in 1989 describing the association of 
> cytokine overexpression in the brain and Alzheimer’s disease. Her 
> research helped pave the way for the findings of the present study. 
> Griffin has recently been selected for membership in the Dana 
Alliance 
> for Brain Initiatives, a nonprofit organization of more than 200 
leading 
> neuroscientists, including ten Nobel laureates.
> 
> “It is unprecedented that we can see cognitive and behavioral 
> improvement in a patient with established dementia within minutes 
of 
> therapeutic intervention,” said Griffin. “It is imperative that 
the 
> medical and scientific communities immediately undertake to further 
> investigate and characterize the physiologic mechanisms involved. 
This 
> gives all of us in Alzheimer’s research a tremendous new clue 
about new 
> avenues of research, which is so exciting and so needed in the 
field of 
> Alzheimer’s. Even though this report predominantly discusses a 
single 
> patient, it is of significant scientific interest because of the 
> potential insight it may give into the processes involved in the 
brain 
> dysfunction of Alzheimer’s.”
> 
> While the article discusses one patient, many other patients with 
mild 
> to severe Alzheimer’s received the treatment and all have shown 
> sustained and marked improvement.
> 
> The new study, entitled “Rapid cognitive improvement in 
Alzheimer’s 
> disease following perispinal etanercept administration,” and the 
> accompanying commen

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Reversal Of Alzheimer's Symptoms Within Minutes In Human Study

[Astromancer]

How horrible...I wish it had come along sooner for your father, Rave...

ravenadal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  As someone who has watched a 
parent wither away from the savage 
ravages of Alzheimer's (my father literally starved to death after 
he "forgot" how to swallow), I am heartened by any progress made to 
combat this insidious disease.

~rave!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly 
Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> ScienceDaily (Jan. 9, 2008) â€" An extraordinary new scientific 
study, 
> which for the first time documents marked improvement in 
Alzheimer’s 
> disease within minutes of administration of a therapeutic molecule, 
has 
> just been published in the Journal of Neuroinflammation.
> 
> This new study highlights the importance of certain soluble 
proteins, 
> called cytokines, in Alzheimer’s disease. The study focuses on 
one of 
> these cytokines, tumor necrosis factor-alpha(TNF), a critical 
component 
> of the brain’s immune system. Normally, TNF finely regulates the 
> transmission of neural impulses in the brain. The authors 
hypothesized 
> that elevated levels of TNF in Alzheimer’s disease interfere with 
this 
> regulation. To reduce elevated TNF, the authors gave patients an 
> injection of an anti-TNF therapeutic called etanercept. Excess TNF-
alpha 
> has been documented in the cerebrospinal fluid of patients with 
Alzheimer’s.
> 
> The new study documents a dramatic and unprecedented therapeutic 
effect 
> in an Alzheimer’s patient: improvement within minutes following 
delivery 
> of perispinal etanercept, which is etanercept given by injection in 
the 
> spine. Etanercept (trade name Enbrel) binds and inactivates excess 
TNF. 
> Etanercept is FDA approved to treat a number of immune-mediated 
> disorders and is used off label in the study.
> 
> The use of anti-TNF therapeutics as a new treatment choice for many 
> diseases, such as rheumatoid arthritis and potentially even 
Alzheimer’s, 
> was recently chosen as one of the top 10 health stories of 2007 by 
the 
> Harvard Health Letter.
> 
> Similarly, the Neurotechnology Industry Organization has recently 
> selected new treatment targets revealed by neuroimmunology (such as 
> excess TNF) as one of the top 10 Neuroscience Trends of 2007. And 
the 
> Dana Alliance for Brain Initiatives has chosen the pilot study 
using 
> perispinal etanercept for Alzheimer’s for inclusion and 
discussion in 
> their 2007 Progress Report on Brain Research.
> 
> The lead author of the study, Edward Tobinick M.D., is an assistant 
> clinical professor of medicine at the University of California, Los 
> Angeles and director of the Institute for Neurological Research, a 
> private medical group in Los Angeles. Hyman Gross, M.D., clinical 
> professor of neurology at the University of Southern California, 
was 
> co-author.
> 
> The study is accompanied by an extensive commentary by Sue Griffin, 
> Ph.D., director of research at the Donald W. Reynolds Institute on 
Aging 
> at the University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences (UAMS) in Little 
Rock 
> and at the Geriatric Research and Clinical Center at the VA 
Hospital in 
> Little Rock, who along with Robert Mrak, M.D., chairman of 
pathology at 
> University of Toledo Medical School, are editors-in-chief of the 
Journal 
> of Neuroinflammation.
> 
> Griffin and Mrak are pioneers in the field of neuroinflammation. 
Griffin 
> published a landmark study in 1989 describing the association of 
> cytokine overexpression in the brain and Alzheimer’s disease. Her 
> research helped pave the way for the findings of the present study. 
> Griffin has recently been selected for membership in the Dana 
Alliance 
> for Brain Initiatives, a nonprofit organization of more than 200 
leading 
> neuroscientists, including ten Nobel laureates.
> 
> “It is unprecedented that we can see cognitive and behavioral 
> improvement in a patient with established dementia within minutes 
of 
> therapeutic intervention,” said Griffin. “It is imperative that 
the 
> medical and scientific communities immediately undertake to further 
> investigate and characterize the physiologic mechanisms involved. 
This 
> gives all of us in Alzheimer’s research a tremendous new clue 
about new 
> avenues of research, which is so exciting and so needed in the 
field of 
> Alzheimer’s. Even though this report predominantly discusses a 
single 
> patient, it is of significant scientific interest because of the 
> potential insight it may give into the processes involved in the 
brain 
> dysfunction of Alzheimer’s.”
> 
> While the article discusses one patient, many other patients with 
mild 
> to severe Alzheimer’s received the treatment and all have shown 
> sustained and marked improvement.
> 
> The new study, entitled “Rapid cognitive improvement in 
Alzheimer’s 
> disease following perispinal etanercept administration,” and the 
> accompanying commen

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: [Fwd:"Lynch (Tiger Woods) In A Back Alley" !?!?!?]

[Astromancer]

Well I think she was suspended for the wrong reason...Yes, I understand what 
she said offended and outraged some viewers, but because she was suspended JUST 
to appease the viewers, it rings hollow to me...She was definitely not 
repentant, nor was the person she made the remark to offended, so what was the 
point???

ravenadal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   Apparently Al Sharpton went on 
televsion this morning, doing what he 
do, and three hours later Ms. Kelly Tilghman was suspended for two 
weeks.

Earlier, through his agent, Tiger had accepted Ms. Tilghman's 
apology. Which, I thought, was mighty white of him.

~rave!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly 
Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  Original Message 
> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:08:41 -
> From: Low Key <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> Tilghman apologizes for 'lynch' Tiger remark
> 
> Golfweek.com 
> 
> Updated: January 10, 2008, 11:53 AM EST 
> 
> You certainly have to file Kelly Tilghman's on-air, on-camera 
> comments during the Golf Channel's coverage of the Mercedes-Benz 
> Championship under the "What was she thinking?" column.
> 
> During their usual post-round banter as they wrapped up Day 2 at 
the 
> Plantation Course at Kapalua, Tilghman and cohort Nick Faldo 
> discussed young players who could possibly challenge Tiger. Faldo, 
> ever the joker, said perhaps the youngsters should "gang up (on 
> Tiger) for a while." The pair laughed a bit before Tilghman 
responded 
> by saying, "Lynch him in a back alley." The pair chuckled awkwardly 
> before moving on.
> 
> The Golf Channel said it received a limited number of complaints 
> regarding the comment.
> 
> Tilghman, realizing her faux pas, explained her comments during the 
> final-round broadcast despite the possibility she could have swept 
> the incident under the mat.
> 
> "I've reached out to Tiger to make an apology, and I've done the 
same 
> with our viewers," Tilghman said.
> 
> "I can assure you that there was never any intention to offend 
> anyone. I'm sorry for any misunderstanding."
> 
> Attempts to reach Woods or his agent, Mark Steinberg of IMG, were 
> unsuccessful. A Golf Channel spokesman said no disciplinary action 
is 
> planned, "other than the mistake she made is regrettable and an 
> extreme learning experience for her." 
> 
> Video:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ARQqKPaDf8
> 
> Read this article at:
> http://msn.foxsports.com/golf/story/7651694 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>



 


"Akin, but no matter what you think, I am concerned for your life, so I’ll only 
say this once; if you talk too much or ask too many questions, you might say 
something that interests the Community, and you really, really don’t want to 
get them interested." - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie
   
-
Looking for last minute shopping deals?  Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[scifinoir2] Re: [Fwd:"Lynch (Tiger Woods) In A Back Alley" !?!?!?]

[ravenadal]

i don't know what you base the "Kelly knew suspension was coming" on.
 Initially, the Golf network said she had apologized to Tiger, no
disciplinary action would be taken, and they considered the matter
closed. As I said, Sharpton goes on CNN and THREE HOURS LATER Kelly is
suspended for two weeks.  You do the math.

~rave!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Kelly knew the suspension was coming. Golf is all about
sponsorships. She
> could have gotten ad spots pulled. It had very little to do with
Sharpton.
> Media Training 101: in a year where a black dude is running  for
> President...and doing well...and spending a ridiculous amount of
money on
> advertising...keep the racially charged (however slightly) comments
on zero.
> 
> As for Tiger¹s letting the comment go...I follow the sport. Not as
much as I
> do others,  but I keep my eye on he and Vijay. There¹s been a LOT
worse said
> about Tiger since he went pro. He has chosen to answer the critics
by making
> huge deposits into his bank account. It has worked.
> 
> How is it that 4 years ago nobody  thought Sharpton had any power or
> influence,  and now every time he says something their JOB is
affected?  I
> seem to  remember Keith Olbermann and Jon Stewart being the only
³members of
> the media² who thought Sharpton was making any sense...now he¹s a ³Black
> Leader² again.
> 
> 
> On 1/10/08 4:49 PM, "ravenadal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > 
> > Apparently Al Sharpton went on televsion this morning, doing what he
> > do, and three hours later Ms. Kelly Tilghman was suspended for two
> > weeks.
> > 
> > Earlier, through his agent, Tiger had accepted Ms. Tilghman's
> > apology.  Which, I thought, was mighty white of him.
> > 
> > ~rave!
> > 
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
 ,
> > "Tracey de Morsella (formerly
> > Tracey L. Minor)"  wrote:
> >> >
> >> >  Original Message 
> >> > Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:08:41 -
> >> > From: Low Key 
> >> > 
> >> > Tilghman apologizes for 'lynch' Tiger remark
> >> > 
> >> > Golfweek.com 
> >> > 
> >> > Updated: January 10, 2008, 11:53 AM EST
> >> > 
> >> > You certainly have to file Kelly Tilghman's on-air, on-camera
> >> > comments during the Golf Channel's coverage of the Mercedes-Benz
> >> > Championship under the "What was she thinking?" column.
> >> > 
> >> > During their usual post-round banter as they wrapped up Day 2 at
> > the 
> >> > Plantation Course at Kapalua, Tilghman and cohort Nick Faldo
> >> > discussed young players who could possibly challenge Tiger. Faldo,
> >> > ever the joker, said perhaps the youngsters should "gang up (on
> >> > Tiger) for a while." The pair laughed a bit before Tilghman
> > responded 
> >> > by saying, "Lynch him in a back alley." The pair chuckled awkwardly
> >> > before moving on.
> >> > 
> >> > The Golf Channel said it received a limited number of complaints
> >> > regarding the comment.
> >> > 
> >> > Tilghman, realizing her faux pas, explained her comments during the
> >> > final-round broadcast despite the possibility she could have swept
> >> > the incident under the mat.
> >> > 
> >> > "I've reached out to Tiger to make an apology, and I've done the
> > same 
> >> > with our viewers," Tilghman said.
> >> > 
> >> > "I can assure you that there was never any intention to offend
> >> > anyone. I'm sorry for any misunderstanding."
> >> > 
> >> > Attempts to reach Woods or his agent, Mark Steinberg of IMG, were
> >> > unsuccessful. A Golf Channel spokesman said no disciplinary action
> > is 
> >> > planned, "other than the mistake she made is regrettable and an
> >> > extreme learning experience for her."
> >> >  
> >> > Video:
> >> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ARQqKPaDf8
> >> > 
> >> > Read this article at:
> >> > http://msn.foxsports.com/golf/story/7651694
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >> >
> > 
> >  
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Re: [scifinoir2] Who Is The Final Cylon?

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

I think scifi turned off viewers with their threats to cancel, splitting 
the seasons, leaving too long a period to go by before showing even the 
movie, much less the actual season.  You get teased too much, you learn 
to live without or getting your fix elsewhere.

Martin wrote:
> Daryle, that would require intelligence from one or more of the parties.
>
> Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  At this point the entire show 
> should either go online or become a comic book
> series. People still read ³Buffy² because its the only way you can get new
> episodes. Also, the ad revenue NBC Universal could get for showing BSG
> online would be huge.
>
> On 1/10/08 3:49 PM, "Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>>
>>
>> And, to be honest, the Skiffy BG board posters aren't all that excited about
>> it, either. The vast majority of posts are on stale fan-kitsch threads, such
>> as "kara-Lee shippers and Adama-Roslin Lovefest". The alst time serios
>> discussion came up about the series was just after "Razor" aired, and we
>> learned that the rest of the series had been bumped back to March, and a bit
>> after that, when we learned that the last batch would be split into two 
>> blocks
>> of ten.
>>
>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>  > wrote: My husband feels the
>> same as you. 
>>
>> Martin wrote:
>> 
 To quote the Movie I Loathe Most in Creation, "Frankly, my dear, I don't
 
>>> give a damn." I'm *sick* of BG. I don't even think I'll watch the thing when
>>> it begins reairing.
>>>   
 "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" wrote: Who Is The Final
 
>>> Cylon?
>>>   
 http://syfyportal.com/pagetogether.php?id=4605&page=1
 
>>> 
>>>   
 By MICHAEL HINMAN
 Jan-08-2008

 This story contains MODERATE SPOILERS for the upcoming fourth season of
 "Battlestar Galactica."

 Who is the final Cylon? A recent spread in Entertainment Weekly set up
 like the famous "Last Supper" painting by Leonardo Da Vinci, seems to
 indicate who isn't the 12th and final Cylon.

 The photo spread, which can be viewed here shows 12 different characters
 from "Battlestar Galactica," and an obviously empty location. That spot,
 says executive producer Ronald D. Moore, is being held for the final Cylon.

 "We have not yet revealed the final Cylon," Moore told the magazine.
 When the writers asked if that means everyone else sitting at the table
 is definitely not that last Cylon, Moore was probably the most direct
 he's ever been on potential show spoilers.

 "You ferreted that out pretty slyly," Moore said. "I didn't want to give
 that away."

 So who is a Cylon and who isn't? The table features six already revealed
 Cylons: Michael Hogan's Col. Tigh; a new Cylon model of Number Six
 played by Tricia Helfer named Natalie; Number Six (possibly Head Six
 thanks to the red dress and Moore's description) herself; Michael
 Trucco's Anders; Aaron Douglas' Chief Tyrol; and Athena, played by Grace
 Park. Those who aren't Cylons, and probably won't be Cylons at all,
 include President Laura Roslin (Mary McDonnell), Lee Adama (Jamie
 Bamber), Gaius Baltar (James Callis), Kara Thrace (Katee Sackhoff), Karl
 "Helo" Agathon (Tahmoh Penikett), and William Adama (Edward James Olmos).

 There are some interesting poses and props in the picture. Douglas is
 holding a knife, something that has a lot to do with the child he and
 Cally (Nicki Clyne) had last season. "One should consider the knife in
 his hand in that context," Moore said.

 Also, both Helo and Athena seem to be looking somewhat concerned stage
 left, and they're looking at someone at the table who Moore said is
 "definitely reacting."

 Starbuck is being embraced by Anders, which Moore says is interesting
 because Anders is the only one who seems to be doing that since her return.

 A cleanly shaven Baltar seems to be looking up at Number Six, who has
 taken the traditional messiah position. "Baltar's Six has proclaimed she
 is delivering the gospels of the [Cylon's] one true god, so it seemed
 natural to place her at the center of the photo," Moore said.

 Apollo seems rather alone, looking toward the empty spot of where the
 last true Cylon is supposed to sit, and he's still wearing civilian
 clothes. Moore reveals that Apollo does not return to flight status.

 Natalie, who is possibly the one reacting to Helo and Athena, will be
 leading a new sect of Cylons this season, one with an agenda different
 from the Cylons we've seen in the past, Moore said.

 Finally, Laura Roslin is shown burning something ... which is something
 "of importance

Re: [scifinoir2] The Last To The Party As Usual

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

They abbreviated season two in case the strike does not end.  So they 
left it with a cliff -hanger.  Yawn

Bosco Bosco wrote:
> Did Season 2 run complete already or was it one of the shows
> interrupted by the strike?
>
> B
> --- Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>> Season 1- good. Damn good. Season 2- hang onto your cash. Better
>> still, invest it in "Shhot 'Em Up".
>>
>> Bosco Bosco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  So I got season 1
>> of Heroes for Xmas this year. I vaguely was aware
>> that it was on TV but didnt know much about it. I watched the whole
>> thing this week. I was wondering if anyone else has watched it and
>> what they thought?
>>
>> Bosco
>>
>> I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead.
>> I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said.
>>
>> You know these things that happen,
>> That's just the way it's supposed to be.
>> And I can't help but wonder,
>> Don't ya know it coulda been me.
>>
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Re: [scifinoir2] The Last To The Party As Usual

[Bosco Bosco]

I really like some of the characters, though many of them were flat.
I am really fond of Hiro, Mohinder and Linderman as characters and
Angela Petrelli(sp?)was an excellent package of character, story and
acting. There was some standard bad TV acting but there were also
some great moments. Overall, I liked the approach to the telling of
the story and the story line but I was bothered by some the plot
holes and obvious flaws. I kept feeling like I missed something at
the end but I won't discuss it as I don't want to spoil it for
anyone. Suffice it to say the ending seemed a little silly and
contrived.

All negatvies aside, Season 1 really drew me in and it was also
really fun to watch with my sons. They both really dug it. That we
all three enjoyed the show was really rare and that's a big plus in
my eyes.

I checked IMDB and only the first half of Season 2 has run. I will
probably watch it online

B
--- "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I loved season one which I saw on DVD, becasue I was in Mexico when
> it 
> first aired.  Season 2 is a total yawn.  It is a shadow of its
> former 
> self.  What did you think?
> 
> Bosco Bosco wrote:
> > So I got season 1 of Heroes for Xmas this year. I vaguely was
> aware
> > that it was on TV but didnt know much about it. I watched the
> whole
> > thing this week. I was wondering if anyone else has watched it
> and
> > what they thought?
> >
> > Bosco
> >
> > I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead.
> > I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said.
> >
> > You know these things that happen,
> > That's just the way it's supposed to be.
> > And I can't help but wonder,
> > Don't ya know it coulda been me.
> >
> >
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[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

I loved season one which I saw on DVD, becasue I was in Mexico when it 
first aired.  Season 2 is a total yawn.  It is a shadow of its former 
self.  What did you think?

Bosco Bosco wrote:
> So I got season 1 of Heroes for Xmas this year. I vaguely was aware
> that it was on TV but didnt know much about it. I watched the whole
> thing this week. I was wondering if anyone else has watched it and
> what they thought?
>
> Bosco
>
> I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead.
> I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said.
>
> You know these things that happen,
> That's just the way it's supposed to be.
> And I can't help but wonder,
> Don't ya know it coulda been me.
>
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: [Fwd:"Lynch (Tiger Woods) In A Back Alley" !?!?!?]

[Martin]

Daryle, I just talked about this with a White friend of mine who follows the 
game far more attentively than I ever will (she and her husband even play the 
game (insert horrified look)), and she's incensed at the fact that Tiger didn't 
rip the chick a new one, in real time. I said in reply that he's probabbly 
replying in the best way possible, by focusing on his claim that he's going to 
win the Grand Slam this year.

Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Kelly knew the suspension was 
coming. Golf is all about sponsorships. She
could have gotten ad spots pulled. It had very little to do with Sharpton.
Media Training 101: in a year where a black dude is running for
President...and doing well...and spending a ridiculous amount of money on
advertising...keep the racially charged (however slightly) comments on zero.

As for Tiger¹s letting the comment go...I follow the sport. Not as much as I
do others, but I keep my eye on he and Vijay. There¹s been a LOT worse said
about Tiger since he went pro. He has chosen to answer the critics by making
huge deposits into his bank account. It has worked.

How is it that 4 years ago nobody thought Sharpton had any power or
influence, and now every time he says something their JOB is affected? I
seem to remember Keith Olbermann and Jon Stewart being the only ³members of
the media² who thought Sharpton was making any sense...now he¹s a ³Black
Leader² again.

On 1/10/08 4:49 PM, "ravenadal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> 
> Apparently Al Sharpton went on televsion this morning, doing what he
> do, and three hours later Ms. Kelly Tilghman was suspended for two
> weeks.
> 
> Earlier, through his agent, Tiger had accepted Ms. Tilghman's
> apology. Which, I thought, was mighty white of him.
> 
> ~rave!
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com  ,
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly
> Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >
>> >  Original Message 
>> > Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:08:41 -
>> > From: Low Key <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > 
>> > Tilghman apologizes for 'lynch' Tiger remark
>> > 
>> > Golfweek.com 
>> > 
>> > Updated: January 10, 2008, 11:53 AM EST
>> > 
>> > You certainly have to file Kelly Tilghman's on-air, on-camera
>> > comments during the Golf Channel's coverage of the Mercedes-Benz
>> > Championship under the "What was she thinking?" column.
>> > 
>> > During their usual post-round banter as they wrapped up Day 2 at
> the 
>> > Plantation Course at Kapalua, Tilghman and cohort Nick Faldo
>> > discussed young players who could possibly challenge Tiger. Faldo,
>> > ever the joker, said perhaps the youngsters should "gang up (on
>> > Tiger) for a while." The pair laughed a bit before Tilghman
> responded 
>> > by saying, "Lynch him in a back alley." The pair chuckled awkwardly
>> > before moving on.
>> > 
>> > The Golf Channel said it received a limited number of complaints
>> > regarding the comment.
>> > 
>> > Tilghman, realizing her faux pas, explained her comments during the
>> > final-round broadcast despite the possibility she could have swept
>> > the incident under the mat.
>> > 
>> > "I've reached out to Tiger to make an apology, and I've done the
> same 
>> > with our viewers," Tilghman said.
>> > 
>> > "I can assure you that there was never any intention to offend
>> > anyone. I'm sorry for any misunderstanding."
>> > 
>> > Attempts to reach Woods or his agent, Mark Steinberg of IMG, were
>> > unsuccessful. A Golf Channel spokesman said no disciplinary action
> is 
>> > planned, "other than the mistake she made is regrettable and an
>> > extreme learning experience for her."
>> > 
>> > Video:
>> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ARQqKPaDf8
>> > 
>> > Read this article at:
>> > http://msn.foxsports.com/golf/story/7651694
>> > 
>> > 
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Re: [scifinoir2] Corpse wheeled to check-cashing store

[Martin]

Okay, LMNAOEH (Laughing My Narrow A$$ Off Even Harder) !

Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  
The real story here is that had this WORKED, they would have come back again
NEXT month.

On 1/10/08 3:37 PM, "Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> 
> Tracey, when I woke up this morning, I was about as low as a human being could
> be. You have pulled me right out of the gutter and placed me atop Everest.
> Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU. I'd say that I love you, but I can't outrun
> your husband... ;D
> 
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  > wrote: Men Accused of
> Wheeling Dead Man Through NYC Streets in Attempt to Cash
> His $355 Check
> 
> MARCUS FRANKLIN
> AP News
> 
> Jan 09, 2008 09:51 EST
> 
> Two men wheeled a dead man through the streets in an office chair to a
> check-cashing store and tried to cash his Social Security check before
> being arrested on fraud charges, police said.
> 
> David J. Dalaia and James O'Hare pushed Virgilio Cintron's body from the
> Manhattan apartment that O'Hare and Cintron shared to Pay-O-Matic, about
> a block away, spokesman Paul Browne said witnesses told police.
> 
> "The witnesses saw the two pushing the chair with Cintron flopping from
> side to side and the two individuals propping him up and keeping him
> from flopping from side to side," Browne said.
> 
> The men left Cintron's body outside the store, went inside and tried to
> cash his $355 check, Browne said. The store's clerk, who knew Cintron,
> asked the men where he was, and O'Hare told the clerk they would go and
> get him, Browne said.
> 
> A police detective who was having lunch at a restaurant next to the
> check-cashing store noticed a crowd forming around Cintron's body, and
> "it's immediately apparent to him that Cintron is dead," Browne said.
> 
> The detective called uniformed New York Police Department officers at a
> nearby precinct. Emergency medical technicians arrived as O'Hare and
> Dalaia were preparing to wheel Cintron's body into the check-cashing
> store, Browne said. Police arrested Dalaia and O'Hare there, he said.
> 
> Cintron's body was taken to a hospital morgue. The medical examiner's
> office told police it appeared Cintron, 66, had died of natural causes
> within the previous 24 hours, Browne said.
> 
> "He was deceased in the apartment when he was removed by these two,"
> Browne said.
> 
> Dalaia and O'Hare, both 65, were being held by police and faced check
> fraud charges, Browne said.
> 
> A call to a telephone number listed for Cintron at the apartment he
> shared with O'Hare went unanswered Tuesday evening. Police said they
> didn't have an address for Dalaia or attorney information for him or O'Hare.
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Re: [scifinoir2] The Last To The Party As Usual

[Bosco Bosco]

So now I gotta ask why the nickname? Who's chuck?

B
--- Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> No, bosco, it blew right through. The reason I counseled avoiding
> buying it is because of the affectionate nickname that Season 2 was
> given by fans.
>
>   "The Chuck Discussion Hour"...
>
>   (Seriously.)
> 
> Bosco Bosco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   Did Season 2 run complete already or was it one of the
> shows
> interrupted by the strike?
> 
> B
> --- Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Season 1- good. Damn good. Season 2- hang onto your cash. Better
> > still, invest it in "Shhot 'Em Up".
> > 
> > Bosco Bosco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So I got season 1
> > of Heroes for Xmas this year. I vaguely was aware
> > that it was on TV but didnt know much about it. I watched the
> whole
> > thing this week. I was wondering if anyone else has watched it
> and
> > what they thought?
> > 
> > Bosco
> > 
> > I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead.
> > I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said.
> > 
> > You know these things that happen,
> > That's just the way it's supposed to be.
> > And I can't help but wonder,
> > Don't ya know it coulda been me.
> > 
> > __
> > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. 
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> 
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> That's just the way it's supposed to be.
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[Martin]

No, bosco, it blew right through. The reason I counseled avoiding buying it is 
because of the affectionate nickname that Season 2 was given by fans.
   
  "The Chuck Discussion Hour"...
   
  (Seriously.)

Bosco Bosco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Did Season 2 run complete already or was it one of the shows
interrupted by the strike?

B
--- Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Season 1- good. Damn good. Season 2- hang onto your cash. Better
> still, invest it in "Shhot 'Em Up".
> 
> Bosco Bosco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So I got season 1
> of Heroes for Xmas this year. I vaguely was aware
> that it was on TV but didnt know much about it. I watched the whole
> thing this week. I was wondering if anyone else has watched it and
> what they thought?
> 
> Bosco
> 
> I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead.
> I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said.
> 
> You know these things that happen,
> That's just the way it's supposed to be.
> And I can't help but wonder,
> Don't ya know it coulda been me.
> 
> __
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> 
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> 
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> "A Man Without A Country"
> 
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> Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
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> 

I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead.
I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said.

You know these things that happen,
That's just the way it's supposed to be.
And I can't help but wonder,
Don't ya know it coulda been me.

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Re: [scifinoir2] Who Is The Final Cylon?

[Martin]

Daryle, that would require intelligence from one or more of the parties.

Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  At this point the entire show should 
either go online or become a comic book
series. People still read ³Buffy² because its the only way you can get new
episodes. Also, the ad revenue NBC Universal could get for showing BSG
online would be huge.

On 1/10/08 3:49 PM, "Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> 
> And, to be honest, the Skiffy BG board posters aren't all that excited about
> it, either. The vast majority of posts are on stale fan-kitsch threads, such
> as "kara-Lee shippers and Adama-Roslin Lovefest". The alst time serios
> discussion came up about the series was just after "Razor" aired, and we
> learned that the rest of the series had been bumped back to March, and a bit
> after that, when we learned that the last batch would be split into two blocks
> of ten.
> 
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  > wrote: My husband feels the
> same as you. 
> 
> Martin wrote:
>> > To quote the Movie I Loathe Most in Creation, "Frankly, my dear, I don't
>> give a damn." I'm *sick* of BG. I don't even think I'll watch the thing when
>> it begins reairing.
>> >
>> > "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" wrote: Who Is The Final
>> Cylon?
>> >
>> > http://syfyportal.com/pagetogether.php?id=4605&page=1
>> 
>> > By MICHAEL HINMAN
>> > Jan-08-2008
>> >
>> > This story contains MODERATE SPOILERS for the upcoming fourth season of
>> > "Battlestar Galactica."
>> >
>> > Who is the final Cylon? A recent spread in Entertainment Weekly set up
>> > like the famous "Last Supper" painting by Leonardo Da Vinci, seems to
>> > indicate who isn't the 12th and final Cylon.
>> >
>> > The photo spread, which can be viewed here shows 12 different characters
>> > from "Battlestar Galactica," and an obviously empty location. That spot,
>> > says executive producer Ronald D. Moore, is being held for the final Cylon.
>> >
>> > "We have not yet revealed the final Cylon," Moore told the magazine.
>> > When the writers asked if that means everyone else sitting at the table
>> > is definitely not that last Cylon, Moore was probably the most direct
>> > he's ever been on potential show spoilers.
>> >
>> > "You ferreted that out pretty slyly," Moore said. "I didn't want to give
>> > that away."
>> >
>> > So who is a Cylon and who isn't? The table features six already revealed
>> > Cylons: Michael Hogan's Col. Tigh; a new Cylon model of Number Six
>> > played by Tricia Helfer named Natalie; Number Six (possibly Head Six
>> > thanks to the red dress and Moore's description) herself; Michael
>> > Trucco's Anders; Aaron Douglas' Chief Tyrol; and Athena, played by Grace
>> > Park. Those who aren't Cylons, and probably won't be Cylons at all,
>> > include President Laura Roslin (Mary McDonnell), Lee Adama (Jamie
>> > Bamber), Gaius Baltar (James Callis), Kara Thrace (Katee Sackhoff), Karl
>> > "Helo" Agathon (Tahmoh Penikett), and William Adama (Edward James Olmos).
>> >
>> > There are some interesting poses and props in the picture. Douglas is
>> > holding a knife, something that has a lot to do with the child he and
>> > Cally (Nicki Clyne) had last season. "One should consider the knife in
>> > his hand in that context," Moore said.
>> >
>> > Also, both Helo and Athena seem to be looking somewhat concerned stage
>> > left, and they're looking at someone at the table who Moore said is
>> > "definitely reacting."
>> >
>> > Starbuck is being embraced by Anders, which Moore says is interesting
>> > because Anders is the only one who seems to be doing that since her return.
>> >
>> > A cleanly shaven Baltar seems to be looking up at Number Six, who has
>> > taken the traditional messiah position. "Baltar's Six has proclaimed she
>> > is delivering the gospels of the [Cylon's] one true god, so it seemed
>> > natural to place her at the center of the photo," Moore said.
>> >
>> > Apollo seems rather alone, looking toward the empty spot of where the
>> > last true Cylon is supposed to sit, and he's still wearing civilian
>> > clothes. Moore reveals that Apollo does not return to flight status.
>> >
>> > Natalie, who is possibly the one reacting to Helo and Athena, will be
>> > leading a new sect of Cylons this season, one with an agenda different
>> > from the Cylons we've seen in the past, Moore said.
>> >
>> > Finally, Laura Roslin is shown burning something ... which is something
>> > "of importance" in terms of plot this season, Moore reveals.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get
>> organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut, "A Man Without A
>> Country"
>> > 
>> > -
>> > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
>> >
>> > 

Re: [scifinoir2] The Last To The Party As Usual

[Bosco Bosco]

Did Season 2 run complete already or was it one of the shows
interrupted by the strike?

B
--- Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Season 1- good. Damn good. Season 2- hang onto your cash. Better
> still, invest it in "Shhot 'Em Up".
> 
> Bosco Bosco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  So I got season 1
> of Heroes for Xmas this year. I vaguely was aware
> that it was on TV but didnt know much about it. I watched the whole
> thing this week. I was wondering if anyone else has watched it and
> what they thought?
> 
> Bosco
> 
> I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead.
> I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said.
> 
> You know these things that happen,
> That's just the way it's supposed to be.
> And I can't help but wonder,
> Don't ya know it coulda been me.
> 
> __
> Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. 
> http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> "There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels
> will get organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut,
> "A Man Without A Country"
>
> -
> Never miss a thing.   Make Yahoo your homepage.
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> 


I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead.
I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said.

You know these things that happen,
That's just the way it's supposed to be.
And I can't help but wonder,
Don't ya know it coulda been me.


  

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Re: [scifinoir2] The Last To The Party As Usual

[Martin]

Season 1- good. Damn good. Season 2- hang onto your cash. Better still, invest 
it in "Shhot 'Em Up".

Bosco Bosco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  So I got season 1 of Heroes for 
Xmas this year. I vaguely was aware
that it was on TV but didnt know much about it. I watched the whole
thing this week. I was wondering if anyone else has watched it and
what they thought?

Bosco

I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead.
I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said.

You know these things that happen,
That's just the way it's supposed to be.
And I can't help but wonder,
Don't ya know it coulda been me.

__
Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. 
http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs


 


"There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get 
organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut, "A Man Without A 
Country"
   
-
Never miss a thing.   Make Yahoo your homepage.

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[scifinoir2] The Last To The Party As Usual

[Bosco Bosco]

So I got season 1 of Heroes for Xmas this year. I vaguely was aware
that it was on TV but didnt know much about it. I watched the whole
thing this week. I was wondering if anyone else has watched it and
what they thought?

Bosco

I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead.
I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said.

You know these things that happen,
That's just the way it's supposed to be.
And I can't help but wonder,
Don't ya know it coulda been me.


  

Never miss a thing.  Make Yahoo your home page. 
http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: [Fwd:"Lynch (Tiger Woods) In A Back Alley" !?!?!?]

[Daryle]

Kelly knew the suspension was coming. Golf is all about sponsorships. She
could have gotten ad spots pulled. It had very little to do with Sharpton.
Media Training 101: in a year where a black dude is running  for
President...and doing well...and spending a ridiculous amount of money on
advertising...keep the racially charged (however slightly) comments on zero.

As for Tiger¹s letting the comment go...I follow the sport. Not as much as I
do others,  but I keep my eye on he and Vijay. There¹s been a LOT worse said
about Tiger since he went pro. He has chosen to answer the critics by making
huge deposits into his bank account. It has worked.

How is it that 4 years ago nobody  thought Sharpton had any power or
influence,  and now every time he says something their JOB is affected?  I
seem to  remember Keith Olbermann and Jon Stewart being the only ³members of
the media² who thought Sharpton was making any sense...now he¹s a ³Black
Leader² again.


On 1/10/08 4:49 PM, "ravenadal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  
>  
>  
> 
> Apparently Al Sharpton went on televsion this morning, doing what he
> do, and three hours later Ms. Kelly Tilghman was suspended for two
> weeks.
> 
> Earlier, through his agent, Tiger had accepted Ms. Tilghman's
> apology.  Which, I thought, was mighty white of him.
> 
> ~rave!
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com  ,
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly
> Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >
>> >  Original Message 
>> > Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:08:41 -
>> > From: Low Key <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > 
>> > Tilghman apologizes for 'lynch' Tiger remark
>> > 
>> > Golfweek.com 
>> > 
>> > Updated: January 10, 2008, 11:53 AM EST
>> > 
>> > You certainly have to file Kelly Tilghman's on-air, on-camera
>> > comments during the Golf Channel's coverage of the Mercedes-Benz
>> > Championship under the "What was she thinking?" column.
>> > 
>> > During their usual post-round banter as they wrapped up Day 2 at
> the 
>> > Plantation Course at Kapalua, Tilghman and cohort Nick Faldo
>> > discussed young players who could possibly challenge Tiger. Faldo,
>> > ever the joker, said perhaps the youngsters should "gang up (on
>> > Tiger) for a while." The pair laughed a bit before Tilghman
> responded 
>> > by saying, "Lynch him in a back alley." The pair chuckled awkwardly
>> > before moving on.
>> > 
>> > The Golf Channel said it received a limited number of complaints
>> > regarding the comment.
>> > 
>> > Tilghman, realizing her faux pas, explained her comments during the
>> > final-round broadcast despite the possibility she could have swept
>> > the incident under the mat.
>> > 
>> > "I've reached out to Tiger to make an apology, and I've done the
> same 
>> > with our viewers," Tilghman said.
>> > 
>> > "I can assure you that there was never any intention to offend
>> > anyone. I'm sorry for any misunderstanding."
>> > 
>> > Attempts to reach Woods or his agent, Mark Steinberg of IMG, were
>> > unsuccessful. A Golf Channel spokesman said no disciplinary action
> is 
>> > planned, "other than the mistake she made is regrettable and an
>> > extreme learning experience for her."
>> >  
>> > Video:
>> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ARQqKPaDf8
>> > 
>> > Read this article at:
>> > http://msn.foxsports.com/golf/story/7651694
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> >
> 
>  
> 




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[scifinoir2] Re: Reversal Of Alzheimer's Symptoms Within Minutes In Human Study

[ravenadal]

As someone who has watched a parent wither away from the savage 
ravages of Alzheimer's (my father literally starved to death after 
he "forgot" how to swallow), I am heartened by any progress made to 
combat this insidious disease.

~rave!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly 
Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> ScienceDaily (Jan. 9, 2008) â€" An extraordinary new scientific 
study, 
> which for the first time documents marked improvement in 
Alzheimer’s 
> disease within minutes of administration of a therapeutic molecule, 
has 
> just been published in the Journal of Neuroinflammation.
> 
> This new study highlights the importance of certain soluble 
proteins, 
> called cytokines, in Alzheimer’s disease. The study focuses on 
one of 
> these cytokines, tumor necrosis factor-alpha(TNF), a critical 
component 
> of the brain’s immune system. Normally, TNF finely regulates the 
> transmission of neural impulses in the brain. The authors 
hypothesized 
> that elevated levels of TNF in Alzheimer’s disease interfere with 
this 
> regulation. To reduce elevated TNF, the authors gave patients an 
> injection of an anti-TNF therapeutic called etanercept. Excess TNF-
alpha 
> has been documented in the cerebrospinal fluid of patients with 
Alzheimer’s.
> 
> The new study documents a dramatic and unprecedented therapeutic 
effect 
> in an Alzheimer’s patient: improvement within minutes following 
delivery 
> of perispinal etanercept, which is etanercept given by injection in 
the 
> spine. Etanercept (trade name Enbrel) binds and inactivates excess 
TNF. 
> Etanercept is FDA approved to treat a number of immune-mediated 
> disorders and is used off label in the study.
> 
> The use of anti-TNF therapeutics as a new treatment choice for many 
> diseases, such as rheumatoid arthritis and potentially even 
Alzheimer’s, 
> was recently chosen as one of the top 10 health stories of 2007 by 
the 
> Harvard Health Letter.
> 
> Similarly, the Neurotechnology Industry Organization has recently 
> selected new treatment targets revealed by neuroimmunology (such as 
> excess TNF) as one of the top 10 Neuroscience Trends of 2007. And 
the 
> Dana Alliance for Brain Initiatives has chosen the pilot study 
using 
> perispinal etanercept for Alzheimer’s for inclusion and 
discussion in 
> their 2007 Progress Report on Brain Research.
> 
> The lead author of the study, Edward Tobinick M.D., is an assistant 
> clinical professor of medicine at the University of California, Los 
> Angeles and director of the Institute for Neurological Research, a 
> private medical group in Los Angeles. Hyman Gross, M.D., clinical 
> professor of neurology at the University of Southern California, 
was 
> co-author.
> 
> The study is accompanied by an extensive commentary by Sue Griffin, 
> Ph.D., director of research at the Donald W. Reynolds Institute on 
Aging 
> at the University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences (UAMS) in Little 
Rock 
> and at the Geriatric Research and Clinical Center at the VA 
Hospital in 
> Little Rock, who along with Robert Mrak, M.D., chairman of 
pathology at 
> University of Toledo Medical School, are editors-in-chief of the 
Journal 
> of Neuroinflammation.
> 
> Griffin and Mrak are pioneers in the field of neuroinflammation. 
Griffin 
> published a landmark study in 1989 describing the association of 
> cytokine overexpression in the brain and Alzheimer’s disease. Her 
> research helped pave the way for the findings of the present study. 
> Griffin has recently been selected for membership in the Dana 
Alliance 
> for Brain Initiatives, a nonprofit organization of more than 200 
leading 
> neuroscientists, including ten Nobel laureates.
> 
> “It is unprecedented that we can see cognitive and behavioral 
> improvement in a patient with established dementia within minutes 
of 
> therapeutic intervention,” said Griffin. “It is imperative that 
the 
> medical and scientific communities immediately undertake to further 
> investigate and characterize the physiologic mechanisms involved. 
This 
> gives all of us in Alzheimer’s research a tremendous new clue 
about new 
> avenues of research, which is so exciting and so needed in the 
field of 
> Alzheimer’s. Even though this report predominantly discusses a 
single 
> patient, it is of significant scientific interest because of the 
> potential insight it may give into the processes involved in the 
brain 
> dysfunction of Alzheimer’s.”
> 
> While the article discusses one patient, many other patients with 
mild 
> to severe Alzheimer’s received the treatment and all have shown 
> sustained and marked improvement.
> 
> The new study, entitled “Rapid cognitive improvement in 
Alzheimer’s 
> disease following perispinal etanercept administration,” and the 
> accompanying commentary, entitled “Perispinal etanercept: 
Potential as 
> an Alzheimer’s therapeutic,” are available on the Web site

[scifinoir2] Re: [Fwd:"Lynch (Tiger Woods) In A Back Alley" !?!?!?]

[ravenadal]

Apparently Al Sharpton went on televsion this morning, doing what he 
do, and three hours later Ms. Kelly Tilghman was suspended for two 
weeks.

Earlier, through his agent, Tiger had accepted Ms. Tilghman's 
apology.  Which, I thought, was mighty white of him.

~rave!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly 
Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  Original Message 
> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:08:41 -
> From: Low Key <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> Tilghman apologizes for 'lynch' Tiger remark
> 
> Golfweek.com 
> 
> Updated: January 10, 2008, 11:53 AM EST 
> 
> You certainly have to file Kelly Tilghman's on-air, on-camera 
> comments during the Golf Channel's coverage of the Mercedes-Benz 
> Championship under the "What was she thinking?" column.
> 
> During their usual post-round banter as they wrapped up Day 2 at 
the 
> Plantation Course at Kapalua, Tilghman and cohort Nick Faldo 
> discussed young players who could possibly challenge Tiger. Faldo, 
> ever the joker, said perhaps the youngsters should "gang up (on 
> Tiger) for a while." The pair laughed a bit before Tilghman 
responded 
> by saying, "Lynch him in a back alley." The pair chuckled awkwardly 
> before moving on.
> 
> The Golf Channel said it received a limited number of complaints 
> regarding the comment.
> 
> Tilghman, realizing her faux pas, explained her comments during the 
> final-round broadcast despite the possibility she could have swept 
> the incident under the mat.
> 
> "I've reached out to Tiger to make an apology, and I've done the 
same 
> with our viewers," Tilghman said.
> 
> "I can assure you that there was never any intention to offend 
> anyone. I'm sorry for any misunderstanding."
> 
> Attempts to reach Woods or his agent, Mark Steinberg of IMG, were 
> unsuccessful. A Golf Channel spokesman said no disciplinary action 
is 
> planned, "other than the mistake she made is regrettable and an 
> extreme learning experience for her." 
>  
> Video:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ARQqKPaDf8
> 
> Read this article at:
> http://msn.foxsports.com/golf/story/7651694 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[scifinoir2] Re: [Fwd: Hillary Launches ‘Sniffling Tour’

[ravenadal]

I LOVE words like "lachrymose."  I am adding it to my vocabulary.

~rave!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly 
Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  Original Message 
> Subject:  Hillary Crying Game Shocker
> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 19:10:09 -0500
> From: borowitzreport.com <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: borowitzreport.com <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> 
> January 9, 2008
> 
> Hillary Schedules Official Crying Jag for South Carolina
> 
> 
> Launches `Sniffling Tour' Before SuperDuper Tuesday
> 
> 
> Saying that she has learned valuable lessons from her victory in 
the New Hampshire primary, Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY) today 
announced that she was scheduling an official crying jag for the eve 
of the South Carolina primary on January 26.
> 
> Speaking to reporters in Las Vegas this morning, her eyes 
noticeably watery, Mrs. Clinton said that her election eve crying jag 
would be scheduled for 4 PM EST on January 25.
> 
> But the newly lachrymose junior senator from New York indicated 
that her South Carolinian waterworks would only be one stop on an 
ambitious tear-drenched campaign schedule leading up to SuperDuper 
Tuesday on February 5, an itinerary which she and her aides are 
calling her "Sniffling Tour."
> 
> "I'm going to be crying so much you're going to think I'm Anderson 
Cooper," she wept.
> 
> But even as Mrs. Clinton said that "this election is a crying game, 
and I'm in it to win it," some political observers wondered if the 
New York senator would be able to cry at will as often as her 
punishing schedule demands.
> 
> According to strategist Mark Penn, a trusted group of campaign 
aides would have the job of inducing tears from Mrs. Clinton 
by "saying mean things to her" before every appearance.
> 
> Additionally, Mr. Penn says, Mrs. Clinton has a secret weapon in 
her latest endeavor, former president Bill Clinton: "No one can make 
Hillary cry like Bill can."
> 
> Elsewhere, denying reports that he was scaling back his 
presidential campaign, former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney said 
that he was making "a major media buy at Kinko's."
> 
> 
> www.borowitzreport.com
> 
> Waste Someone's Time: Forward to a Friend: 
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> Sign up today for your own Borowitz Reports, click the link below 
or paste it into your browser.
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Re: [scifinoir2] Who Is The Final Cylon?

[Daryle]

At this point the entire show should either go online or become a comic book
series. People still read ³Buffy² because its the only way you can get new
episodes. Also, the ad revenue NBC Universal could get for showing BSG
online would be huge.


On 1/10/08 3:49 PM, "Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  
>  
>  
> 
> And, to be honest, the Skiffy BG board posters aren't all that excited about
> it, either. The vast majority of posts are on stale fan-kitsch threads, such
> as "kara-Lee shippers and Adama-Roslin Lovefest". The alst time serios
> discussion came up about the series was just after "Razor" aired, and we
> learned that the rest of the series had been bumped back to March, and a bit
> after that, when we learned that the last batch would be split into two blocks
> of ten.
> 
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  > wrote:  My husband feels the
> same as you. 
> 
> Martin wrote:
>> > To quote the Movie I Loathe Most in Creation, "Frankly, my dear, I don't
>> give a damn." I'm *sick* of BG. I don't even think I'll watch the thing when
>> it begins reairing.
>> >
>> > "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" wrote: Who Is The Final
>> Cylon?
>> >
>> > http://syfyportal.com/pagetogether.php?id=4605&page=1
>> 
>> > By MICHAEL HINMAN
>> > Jan-08-2008
>> >
>> > This story contains MODERATE SPOILERS for the upcoming fourth season of
>> > "Battlestar Galactica."
>> >
>> > Who is the final Cylon? A recent spread in Entertainment Weekly set up
>> > like the famous "Last Supper" painting by Leonardo Da Vinci, seems to
>> > indicate who isn't the 12th and final Cylon.
>> >
>> > The photo spread, which can be viewed here shows 12 different characters
>> > from "Battlestar Galactica," and an obviously empty location. That spot,
>> > says executive producer Ronald D. Moore, is being held for the final Cylon.
>> >
>> > "We have not yet revealed the final Cylon," Moore told the magazine.
>> > When the writers asked if that means everyone else sitting at the table
>> > is definitely not that last Cylon, Moore was probably the most direct
>> > he's ever been on potential show spoilers.
>> >
>> > "You ferreted that out pretty slyly," Moore said. "I didn't want to give
>> > that away."
>> >
>> > So who is a Cylon and who isn't? The table features six already revealed
>> > Cylons: Michael Hogan's Col. Tigh; a new Cylon model of Number Six
>> > played by Tricia Helfer named Natalie; Number Six (possibly Head Six
>> > thanks to the red dress and Moore's description) herself; Michael
>> > Trucco's Anders; Aaron Douglas' Chief Tyrol; and Athena, played by Grace
>> > Park. Those who aren't Cylons, and probably won't be Cylons at all,
>> > include President Laura Roslin (Mary McDonnell), Lee Adama (Jamie
>> > Bamber), Gaius Baltar (James Callis), Kara Thrace (Katee Sackhoff), Karl
>> > "Helo" Agathon (Tahmoh Penikett), and William Adama (Edward James Olmos).
>> >
>> > There are some interesting poses and props in the picture. Douglas is
>> > holding a knife, something that has a lot to do with the child he and
>> > Cally (Nicki Clyne) had last season. "One should consider the knife in
>> > his hand in that context," Moore said.
>> >
>> > Also, both Helo and Athena seem to be looking somewhat concerned stage
>> > left, and they're looking at someone at the table who Moore said is
>> > "definitely reacting."
>> >
>> > Starbuck is being embraced by Anders, which Moore says is interesting
>> > because Anders is the only one who seems to be doing that since her return.
>> >
>> > A cleanly shaven Baltar seems to be looking up at Number Six, who has
>> > taken the traditional messiah position. "Baltar's Six has proclaimed she
>> > is delivering the gospels of the [Cylon's] one true god, so it seemed
>> > natural to place her at the center of the photo," Moore said.
>> >
>> > Apollo seems rather alone, looking toward the empty spot of where the
>> > last true Cylon is supposed to sit, and he's still wearing civilian
>> > clothes. Moore reveals that Apollo does not return to flight status.
>> >
>> > Natalie, who is possibly the one reacting to Helo and Athena, will be
>> > leading a new sect of Cylons this season, one with an agenda different
>> > from the Cylons we've seen in the past, Moore said.
>> >
>> > Finally, Laura Roslin is shown burning something ... which is something
>> > "of importance" in terms of plot this season, Moore reveals.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get
>> organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut, "A Man Without A
>> Country"
>> > 
>> > -
>> > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
>> >
>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 
>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> 

Re: [scifinoir2] Corpse wheeled to check-cashing store

[Martin]

Thank you again, lady, and I have.

"Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  If 
feels great to be appreciated and loved. Cheer up!

Martin wrote:
> Tracey, when I woke up this morning, I was about as low as a human being 
> could be. You have pulled me right out of the gutter and placed me atop 
> Everest. Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU. I'd say that I love you, but I 
> can't outrun your husband... ;D
>
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" wrote: Men Accused of 
> Wheeling Dead Man Through NYC Streets in Attempt to Cash 
> His $355 Check
>
> MARCUS FRANKLIN
> AP News
>
> Jan 09, 2008 09:51 EST
>
> Two men wheeled a dead man through the streets in an office chair to a 
> check-cashing store and tried to cash his Social Security check before 
> being arrested on fraud charges, police said.
>
> David J. Dalaia and James O'Hare pushed Virgilio Cintron's body from the 
> Manhattan apartment that O'Hare and Cintron shared to Pay-O-Matic, about 
> a block away, spokesman Paul Browne said witnesses told police.
>
> "The witnesses saw the two pushing the chair with Cintron flopping from 
> side to side and the two individuals propping him up and keeping him 
> from flopping from side to side," Browne said.
>
> The men left Cintron's body outside the store, went inside and tried to 
> cash his $355 check, Browne said. The store's clerk, who knew Cintron, 
> asked the men where he was, and O'Hare told the clerk they would go and 
> get him, Browne said.
>
> A police detective who was having lunch at a restaurant next to the 
> check-cashing store noticed a crowd forming around Cintron's body, and 
> "it's immediately apparent to him that Cintron is dead," Browne said.
>
> The detective called uniformed New York Police Department officers at a 
> nearby precinct. Emergency medical technicians arrived as O'Hare and 
> Dalaia were preparing to wheel Cintron's body into the check-cashing 
> store, Browne said. Police arrested Dalaia and O'Hare there, he said.
>
> Cintron's body was taken to a hospital morgue. The medical examiner's 
> office told police it appeared Cintron, 66, had died of natural causes 
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> Browne said.
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> fraud charges, Browne said.
>
> A call to a telephone number listed for Cintron at the apartment he 
> shared with O'Hare went unanswered Tuesday evening. Police said they 
> didn't have an address for Dalaia or attorney information for him or O'Hare.
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Re: [scifinoir2] Fw: New Hampshire, Iowa and Edwards

[Martin]

A guy I'd never met before, on the Skiffy BG boards. He decided to take up a 
one-man campaign against an offensive picture someone else there had posted 
(red panel truck with "Free Candy" on the side, classic pedophile lure) because 
he had four daughters. As he protested, ten other users jumped in and got the 
same picture to post as well, just to mock him. he stuck to his guns, ended up 
getting banned. I spoke up for him during the exchange, and he later sent me an 
e-mail thanking him for "helping him stand up". I realized, tears in my eyes, 
that he'd helped me more than I had him, and thanked him. Still do, every time 
I run into him.
   
  
"Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  What changed your mind?

Martin wrote:
> No, Tracey, it was me, being gutless. Even had a Canadian friend of mine 
> scoping out places for me to live.
>
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> Some one else on the list. Maybe Astro
>
> Martin wrote:
> 
>> I'm also gutless in my off-hours.
>>
>> No, I won't be going anywhere, unless guys in brown shirts are knocking down 
>> my door.
>>
>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> We all know this stuff. we are going through a Bambie in headlights 
>> phase in which we watch everything as if in a dream (nightmare). We are 
>> not going to wake up from the nightmare until most of our rights are 
>> taken away, with many serving in private jails or those camps that 
>> have been set up with nobody in them, and more than 50% of the 
>> population in poverty with no way out. I think people do not want to 
>> hear this stuff. Many that do see things from this cynical vantage 
>> point have escape plans. Aren't you the one with plans to head up to 
>> Canada?
>>
>> Martin wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> Tracey, take this reply, tack on the addendum "Send this to two friends you 
>>> know" and forward it to two friends you know. Makes a nice start for a 
>>> grass-roots campaign.
>>>
>>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" wrote: Then I have some 
>>> self-loathing to deal with. 
>>>
>>> ~I hate that the media can affect the outcome of an election by planting 
>>> talking points into the heads of the public - we as a people do not know 
>>> how to think for ourselves. 
>>> ~I hate that all the candidates that are "electable" are corrupt/paid for.
>>> ~I hate that the election process is not an election, but a branding and 
>>> capital raising competition. 
>>> ~I hate that we are not a democracy or even a republic. 
>>> ~I hate the constitution is being turned into toilet paper. 
>>> ~I loath that in other countries, when democracy is interfered with, 
>>> there are riots and other types of major protests, but here, those that 
>>> question the status quo are called conspiracy theorists and dismissed. 
>>> ~When election wrong-doing is uncovered, nothing is done because we must 
>>> "protect the democratic process". 
>>> Maybe this will change, but this is how I feel today
>>>
>>> Martin wrote:
>>>
>>> 
 Tracey, do *not* hate this country. *We* are this country. If you must 
 (and I say that because hate, IMO, is a waste of energy best appointed to 
 other tasks), hate those who *run* this country into the ground.

 "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" wrote: Amy

 I need to thank you again. I knew about the hedge funds involvement in 
 the sub-prime mortgage scandal, but not Medicare privatization and 
 possibly more power elite schemes. So, my cynical endorsement has just 
 got a little more cynical. Both him and Obama are sell outs cut from 
 the same cloth. I'm more inclined to vote for Obama now. I still do 
 not like him, but having a brother in the office could stir of things in 
 the realm of racial issues. Yeah . I hate this country. 

 Amy Harlib wrote:


 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> - Original Message - 
> From: Dennis Kucinich 
> To: Amy Harlib 
> Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 1:23 PM
> Subject: New Hampshire, Iowa and Edwards 
>
>
>
>
> New Hampshire, Iowa and Edwards 
>
> Dear Supporter, 
>
> For the record:
>
> 1.. New Hampshire is the first state where we are aggressively 
> campaigning. Due to the Party lockout in Iowa, we chose to focus on New 
> Hampshire. 
> 2.. I am the only person running for President who voted against the war, 
> against funding the war 100% of the time, against the Patriot Act, and 
> who stands for a universal single-payer not-for-profit healthcare system. 
> Nevertheless I was excluded from Saturday night's ABC Presidential 
> debate, or four tone monologue as it was. 
> 3.. In answer to your questions about why I didn't support former Senator 
> John Edwards on the second ballot in Iowa: I have serious concerns about 
> hi

Re: [scifinoir2] Ice Cube up forThe A-Team

[Martin]

I can name a lot of women in my family who'd agree...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  works for me! I still think Richard Roundtree 
should have starred in the "Shaft" remake!

-- Original message -- 
From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Caught this earlier today. I had the odd-slash-evil thought that Ice should 
play B.A. jarringly well-mannered son, while Mr T should reprise his own role.

"Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ice 
Cube Pities the Fool
Rapper-actor up forThe A-Team.
by Stax
http://movies.ign.com/articles/844/844131p1.html
January 8, 2008 - Now that John Singleton is set to direct the movie 
version of the 1980s TV series The A-Team, the rumor mill has kicked 
into overdrive with speculation about who might star in the Fox pic. One 
name that's popped up for the role of B.A. Baracus (immortalized on the 
small screen by Mr. T) is rapper-actor Ice Cube.

BlackFilm.com caught up with Cube while he was doing press for his new 
movie First Sunday, and got the star to comment on the buzz. When asked 
if he'd even consider the part, Cube replied, "Hell yeah, especially 
with John Singleton directing!"

Singleton and Cube first teamed on the former's directing debut, Boyz N 
the Hood.

Cube acknowledged that he has indeed been approached about the role, but 
doesn't know if he'll land it or not. "They want me to do it if all the 
business works out right," Cube explained. "I was a fan as a kid and 
that would be, not a dream come true, but it's definitely a good thing 
to do and I would put it on my resume for sure."

Ice Cube said that he "wouldn't try to duplicate what Mr. T did" and 
wants to put his own spin on the character, but he did promise to wear 
the mohawk if he gets the role.

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RE: [scifinoir2] Ice Cube up forThe A-Team

[Martin]

(sighs)
   
  Okay, I'll say it.
   
  (draws breath)
   
  I pity the fool who takes on this role! I PITY HIM!

James Landrith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  I saw Mr. T in the World of Warcraft (I think) commercials recently. 
Too
funny. (What about that, Mr. Condescending Producer Man)

Give him the role. No one else can sport 75 lbs of gold and a kick-ass
Mohawk better.

It will look cartoonish if someone else tries to pull it off.

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 5:11 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Ice Cube up forThe A-Team

works for me! I still think Richard Roundtree should have starred in the
"Shaft" remake!

-- Original message -- 
From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
Caught this earlier today. I had the odd-slash-evil thought that Ice should
play B.A. jarringly well-mannered son, while Mr T should reprise his own
role.

"Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 > wrote: Ice Cube Pities the
Fool
Rapper-actor up forThe A-Team.
by Stax
http://movies.ign.com/articles/844/844131p1.html
January 8, 2008 - Now that John Singleton is set to direct the movie 
version of the 1980s TV series The A-Team, the rumor mill has kicked 
into overdrive with speculation about who might star in the Fox pic. One 
name that's popped up for the role of B.A. Baracus (immortalized on the 
small screen by Mr. T) is rapper-actor Ice Cube.

BlackFilm.com caught up with Cube while he was doing press for his new 
movie First Sunday, and got the star to comment on the buzz. When asked 
if he'd even consider the part, Cube replied, "Hell yeah, especially 
with John Singleton directing!"

Singleton and Cube first teamed on the former's directing debut, Boyz N 
the Hood.

Cube acknowledged that he has indeed been approached about the role, but 
doesn't know if he'll land it or not. "They want me to do it if all the 
business works out right," Cube explained. "I was a fan as a kid and 
that would be, not a dream come true, but it's definitely a good thing 
to do and I would put it on my resume for sure."

Ice Cube said that he "wouldn't try to duplicate what Mr. T did" and 
wants to put his own spin on the character, but he did promise to wear 
the mohawk if he gets the role.

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Re: [scifinoir2] Fw: New Hampshire, Iowa and Edwards

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

What changed your mind?

Martin wrote:
> No, Tracey, it was me, being gutless. Even had a Canadian friend of mine 
> scoping out places for me to live.
>
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   Some one else on the list. Maybe Astro
>
> Martin wrote:
>   
>> I'm also gutless in my off-hours.
>>
>> No, I won't be going anywhere, unless guys in brown shirts are knocking down 
>> my door.
>>
>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> We all know this stuff. we are going through a Bambie in headlights 
>> phase in which we watch everything as if in a dream (nightmare). We are 
>> not going to wake up from the nightmare until most of our rights are 
>> taken away, with many serving in private jails or those camps that 
>> have been set up with nobody in them, and more than 50% of the 
>> population in poverty with no way out. I think people do not want to 
>> hear this stuff. Many that do see things from this cynical vantage 
>> point have escape plans. Aren't you the one with plans to head up to 
>> Canada?
>>
>> Martin wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> Tracey, take this reply, tack on the addendum "Send this to two friends you 
>>> know" and forward it to two friends you know. Makes a nice start for a 
>>> grass-roots campaign.
>>>
>>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" wrote: Then I have some 
>>> self-loathing to deal with. 
>>>
>>> ~I hate that the media can affect the outcome of an election by planting 
>>> talking points into the heads of the public - we as a people do not know 
>>> how to think for ourselves. 
>>> ~I hate that all the candidates that are "electable" are corrupt/paid for.
>>> ~I hate that the election process is not an election, but a branding and 
>>> capital raising competition. 
>>> ~I hate that we are not a democracy or even a republic. 
>>> ~I hate the constitution is being turned into toilet paper. 
>>> ~I loath that in other countries, when democracy is interfered with, 
>>> there are riots and other types of major protests, but here, those that 
>>> question the status quo are called conspiracy theorists and dismissed. 
>>> ~When election wrong-doing is uncovered, nothing is done because we must 
>>> "protect the democratic process". 
>>> Maybe this will change, but this is how I feel today
>>>
>>> Martin wrote:
>>>
>>>   
 Tracey, do *not* hate this country. *We* are this country. If you must 
 (and I say that because hate, IMO, is a waste of energy best appointed to 
 other tasks), hate those who *run* this country into the ground.

 "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" wrote: Amy

 I need to thank you again. I knew about the hedge funds involvement in 
 the sub-prime mortgage scandal, but not Medicare privatization and 
 possibly more power elite schemes. So, my cynical endorsement has just 
 got a little more cynical. Both him and Obama are sell outs cut from 
 the same cloth. I'm more inclined to vote for Obama now. I still do 
 not like him, but having a brother in the office could stir of things in 
 the realm of racial issues. Yeah . I hate this country. 

 Amy Harlib wrote:


 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> - Original Message - 
> From: Dennis Kucinich 
> To: Amy Harlib 
> Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 1:23 PM
> Subject: New Hampshire, Iowa and Edwards 
>
>
>
>
> New Hampshire, Iowa and Edwards 
>
> Dear Supporter, 
>
> For the record:
>
> 1.. New Hampshire is the first state where we are aggressively 
> campaigning. Due to the Party lockout in Iowa, we chose to focus on New 
> Hampshire. 
> 2.. I am the only person running for President who voted against the war, 
> against funding the war 100% of the time, against the Patriot Act, and 
> who stands for a universal single-payer not-for-profit healthcare system. 
> Nevertheless I was excluded from Saturday night's ABC Presidential 
> debate, or four tone monologue as it was. 
> 3.. In answer to your questions about why I didn't support former Senator 
> John Edwards on the second ballot in Iowa: I have serious concerns about 
> his connections to a Wall Street hedge fund, Fortress Investment Group. 
> While attacking others for accepting campaign money from Washington 
> lobbyists, he is up to his ears in money from Wall Street special 
> interests. 
> He made half a million dollars in a single year for attending a few 
> meetings for Fortress and has invested a substantial part of his own 
> personal wealth in the hedge fund whose portfolios are responsible for 
> sub-prime predatory lending practices, Medicare privatization, and an 
> entire range of corporate sharp dealings that are driving the middle 
> class into poverty. 
>
> While I indicated Senator Obama as a preferred second ch

Re: [scifinoir2] Corpse wheeled to check-cashing store

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

If feels great to be appreciated and loved.  Cheer up!

Martin wrote:
> Tracey, when I woke up this morning, I was about as low as a human being 
> could be. You have pulled me right out of the gutter and placed me atop 
> Everest. Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU. I'd say that I love you, but I 
> can't outrun your husband... ;D
>
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  
> Men Accused of Wheeling Dead Man Through NYC Streets in Attempt to Cash 
> His $355 Check
>
> MARCUS FRANKLIN
> AP News
>
> Jan 09, 2008 09:51 EST
>
> Two men wheeled a dead man through the streets in an office chair to a 
> check-cashing store and tried to cash his Social Security check before 
> being arrested on fraud charges, police said.
>
> David J. Dalaia and James O'Hare pushed Virgilio Cintron's body from the 
> Manhattan apartment that O'Hare and Cintron shared to Pay-O-Matic, about 
> a block away, spokesman Paul Browne said witnesses told police.
>
> "The witnesses saw the two pushing the chair with Cintron flopping from 
> side to side and the two individuals propping him up and keeping him 
> from flopping from side to side," Browne said.
>
> The men left Cintron's body outside the store, went inside and tried to 
> cash his $355 check, Browne said. The store's clerk, who knew Cintron, 
> asked the men where he was, and O'Hare told the clerk they would go and 
> get him, Browne said.
>
> A police detective who was having lunch at a restaurant next to the 
> check-cashing store noticed a crowd forming around Cintron's body, and 
> "it's immediately apparent to him that Cintron is dead," Browne said.
>
> The detective called uniformed New York Police Department officers at a 
> nearby precinct. Emergency medical technicians arrived as O'Hare and 
> Dalaia were preparing to wheel Cintron's body into the check-cashing 
> store, Browne said. Police arrested Dalaia and O'Hare there, he said.
>
> Cintron's body was taken to a hospital morgue. The medical examiner's 
> office told police it appeared Cintron, 66, had died of natural causes 
> within the previous 24 hours, Browne said.
>
> "He was deceased in the apartment when he was removed by these two," 
> Browne said.
>
> Dalaia and O'Hare, both 65, were being held by police and faced check 
> fraud charges, Browne said.
>
> A call to a telephone number listed for Cintron at the apartment he 
> shared with O'Hare went unanswered Tuesday evening. Police said they 
> didn't have an address for Dalaia or attorney information for him or O'Hare.
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Re: [scifinoir2] Who Is The Final Cylon?

[Martin]

And, to be honest, the Skiffy BG board posters aren't all that excited about 
it, either. The vast majority of posts are on stale fan-kitsch threads, such as 
"kara-Lee shippers and Adama-Roslin Lovefest". The alst time serios discussion 
came up about the series was just after "Razor" aired, and we learned that the 
rest of the series had been bumped back to March, and a bit after that, when we 
learned that the last batch would be split into two blocks of ten.

"Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  My 
husband feels the same as you. 

Martin wrote:
> To quote the Movie I Loathe Most in Creation, "Frankly, my dear, I don't give 
> a damn." I'm *sick* of BG. I don't even think I'll watch the thing when it 
> begins reairing.
>
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" wrote: Who Is The Final Cylon?
>
> http://syfyportal.com/pagetogether.php?id=4605&page=1
> By MICHAEL HINMAN
> Jan-08-2008
>
> This story contains MODERATE SPOILERS for the upcoming fourth season of 
> "Battlestar Galactica."
>
> Who is the final Cylon? A recent spread in Entertainment Weekly set up 
> like the famous "Last Supper" painting by Leonardo Da Vinci, seems to 
> indicate who isn't the 12th and final Cylon.
>
> The photo spread, which can be viewed here shows 12 different characters 
> from "Battlestar Galactica," and an obviously empty location. That spot, 
> says executive producer Ronald D. Moore, is being held for the final Cylon.
>
> "We have not yet revealed the final Cylon," Moore told the magazine. 
> When the writers asked if that means everyone else sitting at the table 
> is definitely not that last Cylon, Moore was probably the most direct 
> he's ever been on potential show spoilers.
>
> "You ferreted that out pretty slyly," Moore said. "I didn't want to give 
> that away."
>
> So who is a Cylon and who isn't? The table features six already revealed 
> Cylons: Michael Hogan's Col. Tigh; a new Cylon model of Number Six 
> played by Tricia Helfer named Natalie; Number Six (possibly Head Six 
> thanks to the red dress and Moore's description) herself; Michael 
> Trucco's Anders; Aaron Douglas' Chief Tyrol; and Athena, played by Grace 
> Park. Those who aren't Cylons, and probably won't be Cylons at all, 
> include President Laura Roslin (Mary McDonnell), Lee Adama (Jamie 
> Bamber), Gaius Baltar (James Callis), Kara Thrace (Katee Sackhoff), Karl 
> "Helo" Agathon (Tahmoh Penikett), and William Adama (Edward James Olmos).
>
> There are some interesting poses and props in the picture. Douglas is 
> holding a knife, something that has a lot to do with the child he and 
> Cally (Nicki Clyne) had last season. "One should consider the knife in 
> his hand in that context," Moore said.
>
> Also, both Helo and Athena seem to be looking somewhat concerned stage 
> left, and they're looking at someone at the table who Moore said is 
> "definitely reacting."
>
> Starbuck is being embraced by Anders, which Moore says is interesting 
> because Anders is the only one who seems to be doing that since her return.
>
> A cleanly shaven Baltar seems to be looking up at Number Six, who has 
> taken the traditional messiah position. "Baltar's Six has proclaimed she 
> is delivering the gospels of the [Cylon's] one true god, so it seemed 
> natural to place her at the center of the photo," Moore said.
>
> Apollo seems rather alone, looking toward the empty spot of where the 
> last true Cylon is supposed to sit, and he's still wearing civilian 
> clothes. Moore reveals that Apollo does not return to flight status.
>
> Natalie, who is possibly the one reacting to Helo and Athena, will be 
> leading a new sect of Cylons this season, one with an agenda different 
> from the Cylons we've seen in the past, Moore said.
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[scifinoir2] Reversal Of Alzheimer's Symptoms Within Minutes In Human Study

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

ScienceDaily (Jan. 9, 2008) — An extraordinary new scientific study, 
which for the first time documents marked improvement in Alzheimer’s 
disease within minutes of administration of a therapeutic molecule, has 
just been published in the Journal of Neuroinflammation.

This new study highlights the importance of certain soluble proteins, 
called cytokines, in Alzheimer’s disease. The study focuses on one of 
these cytokines, tumor necrosis factor-alpha(TNF), a critical component 
of the brain’s immune system. Normally, TNF finely regulates the 
transmission of neural impulses in the brain. The authors hypothesized 
that elevated levels of TNF in Alzheimer’s disease interfere with this 
regulation. To reduce elevated TNF, the authors gave patients an 
injection of an anti-TNF therapeutic called etanercept. Excess TNF-alpha 
has been documented in the cerebrospinal fluid of patients with Alzheimer’s.

The new study documents a dramatic and unprecedented therapeutic effect 
in an Alzheimer’s patient: improvement within minutes following delivery 
of perispinal etanercept, which is etanercept given by injection in the 
spine. Etanercept (trade name Enbrel) binds and inactivates excess TNF. 
Etanercept is FDA approved to treat a number of immune-mediated 
disorders and is used off label in the study.

The use of anti-TNF therapeutics as a new treatment choice for many 
diseases, such as rheumatoid arthritis and potentially even Alzheimer’s, 
was recently chosen as one of the top 10 health stories of 2007 by the 
Harvard Health Letter.

Similarly, the Neurotechnology Industry Organization has recently 
selected new treatment targets revealed by neuroimmunology (such as 
excess TNF) as one of the top 10 Neuroscience Trends of 2007. And the 
Dana Alliance for Brain Initiatives has chosen the pilot study using 
perispinal etanercept for Alzheimer’s for inclusion and discussion in 
their 2007 Progress Report on Brain Research.

The lead author of the study, Edward Tobinick M.D., is an assistant 
clinical professor of medicine at the University of California, Los 
Angeles and director of the Institute for Neurological Research, a 
private medical group in Los Angeles. Hyman Gross, M.D., clinical 
professor of neurology at the University of Southern California, was 
co-author.

The study is accompanied by an extensive commentary by Sue Griffin, 
Ph.D., director of research at the Donald W. Reynolds Institute on Aging 
at the University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences (UAMS) in Little Rock 
and at the Geriatric Research and Clinical Center at the VA Hospital in 
Little Rock, who along with Robert Mrak, M.D., chairman of pathology at 
University of Toledo Medical School, are editors-in-chief of the Journal 
of Neuroinflammation.

Griffin and Mrak are pioneers in the field of neuroinflammation. Griffin 
published a landmark study in 1989 describing the association of 
cytokine overexpression in the brain and Alzheimer’s disease. Her 
research helped pave the way for the findings of the present study. 
Griffin has recently been selected for membership in the Dana Alliance 
for Brain Initiatives, a nonprofit organization of more than 200 leading 
neuroscientists, including ten Nobel laureates.

“It is unprecedented that we can see cognitive and behavioral 
improvement in a patient with established dementia within minutes of 
therapeutic intervention,” said Griffin. “It is imperative that the 
medical and scientific communities immediately undertake to further 
investigate and characterize the physiologic mechanisms involved. This 
gives all of us in Alzheimer’s research a tremendous new clue about new 
avenues of research, which is so exciting and so needed in the field of 
Alzheimer’s. Even though this report predominantly discusses a single 
patient, it is of significant scientific interest because of the 
potential insight it may give into the processes involved in the brain 
dysfunction of Alzheimer’s.”

While the article discusses one patient, many other patients with mild 
to severe Alzheimer’s received the treatment and all have shown 
sustained and marked improvement.

The new study, entitled “Rapid cognitive improvement in Alzheimer’s 
disease following perispinal etanercept administration,” and the 
accompanying commentary, entitled “Perispinal etanercept: Potential as 
an Alzheimer’s therapeutic,” are available on the Web site of the 
Journal of Neuroinflammation 
(http://www.jneuroinflammation.com/content/5/1/2/abstract).

Author Hyman Gross, M.D., has no competing interests. Author Edward 
Tobinick, M.D. owns stock in Amgen, the manufacturer of etanercept, and 
has multiple issued and pending patents assigned to TACT IP LLC that 
describe the parenteral and perispinal use of etanercept for the 
treatment of Alzheimer’s disease and other neurological disorders, 
including, but not limited to, U.S. patents 6015557, 6177077, 6419934, 
6419944, 6537549, 6982089, 7214658 and Australian patent 758523.

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Re: [scifinoir2] Corpse wheeled to check-cashing store

[Daryle]

The real story here is that had this WORKED, they would have come back again
NEXT month.

On 1/10/08 3:37 PM, "Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  
>  
>  
> 
> Tracey, when I woke up this morning, I was about as low as a human being could
> be. You have pulled me right out of the gutter and placed me atop Everest.
> Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU. I'd say that I love you, but I can't outrun
> your husband... ;D
> 
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  > wrote:  Men Accused of
> Wheeling Dead Man Through NYC Streets in Attempt to Cash
> His $355 Check
> 
> MARCUS FRANKLIN
> AP News
> 
> Jan 09, 2008 09:51 EST
> 
> Two men wheeled a dead man through the streets in an office chair to a
> check-cashing store and tried to cash his Social Security check before
> being arrested on fraud charges, police said.
> 
> David J. Dalaia and James O'Hare pushed Virgilio Cintron's body from the
> Manhattan apartment that O'Hare and Cintron shared to Pay-O-Matic, about
> a block away, spokesman Paul Browne said witnesses told police.
> 
> "The witnesses saw the two pushing the chair with Cintron flopping from
> side to side and the two individuals propping him up and keeping him
> from flopping from side to side," Browne said.
> 
> The men left Cintron's body outside the store, went inside and tried to
> cash his $355 check, Browne said. The store's clerk, who knew Cintron,
> asked the men where he was, and O'Hare told the clerk they would go and
> get him, Browne said.
> 
> A police detective who was having lunch at a restaurant next to the
> check-cashing store noticed a crowd forming around Cintron's body, and
> "it's immediately apparent to him that Cintron is dead," Browne said.
> 
> The detective called uniformed New York Police Department officers at a
> nearby precinct. Emergency medical technicians arrived as O'Hare and
> Dalaia were preparing to wheel Cintron's body into the check-cashing
> store, Browne said. Police arrested Dalaia and O'Hare there, he said.
> 
> Cintron's body was taken to a hospital morgue. The medical examiner's
> office told police it appeared Cintron, 66, had died of natural causes
> within the previous 24 hours, Browne said.
> 
> "He was deceased in the apartment when he was removed by these two,"
> Browne said.
> 
> Dalaia and O'Hare, both 65, were being held by police and faced check
> fraud charges, Browne said.
> 
> A call to a telephone number listed for Cintron at the apartment he
> shared with O'Hare went unanswered Tuesday evening. Police said they
> didn't have an address for Dalaia or attorney information for him or O'Hare.
> http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/2_bring_corpse_to_store_to_cash_che_01092
> 008.html
> 
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Re: [scifinoir2] Fw: New Hampshire, Iowa and Edwards

[Martin]

No, Tracey, it was me, being gutless. Even had a Canadian friend of mine 
scoping out places for me to live.

"Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  
Some one else on the list. Maybe Astro

Martin wrote:
> I'm also gutless in my off-hours.
> 
> No, I won't be going anywhere, unless guys in brown shirts are knocking down 
> my door.
>
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We all know this stuff. we are going through a Bambie in headlights 
> phase in which we watch everything as if in a dream (nightmare). We are 
> not going to wake up from the nightmare until most of our rights are 
> taken away, with many serving in private jails or those camps that 
> have been set up with nobody in them, and more than 50% of the 
> population in poverty with no way out. I think people do not want to 
> hear this stuff. Many that do see things from this cynical vantage 
> point have escape plans. Aren't you the one with plans to head up to 
> Canada?
>
> Martin wrote:
> 
>> Tracey, take this reply, tack on the addendum "Send this to two friends you 
>> know" and forward it to two friends you know. Makes a nice start for a 
>> grass-roots campaign.
>>
>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" wrote: Then I have some 
>> self-loathing to deal with. 
>>
>> ~I hate that the media can affect the outcome of an election by planting 
>> talking points into the heads of the public - we as a people do not know 
>> how to think for ourselves. 
>> ~I hate that all the candidates that are "electable" are corrupt/paid for.
>> ~I hate that the election process is not an election, but a branding and 
>> capital raising competition. 
>> ~I hate that we are not a democracy or even a republic. 
>> ~I hate the constitution is being turned into toilet paper. 
>> ~I loath that in other countries, when democracy is interfered with, 
>> there are riots and other types of major protests, but here, those that 
>> question the status quo are called conspiracy theorists and dismissed. 
>> ~When election wrong-doing is uncovered, nothing is done because we must 
>> "protect the democratic process". 
>> Maybe this will change, but this is how I feel today
>>
>> Martin wrote:
>> 
>>> Tracey, do *not* hate this country. *We* are this country. If you must (and 
>>> I say that because hate, IMO, is a waste of energy best appointed to other 
>>> tasks), hate those who *run* this country into the ground.
>>>
>>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" wrote: Amy
>>>
>>> I need to thank you again. I knew about the hedge funds involvement in 
>>> the sub-prime mortgage scandal, but not Medicare privatization and 
>>> possibly more power elite schemes. So, my cynical endorsement has just 
>>> got a little more cynical. Both him and Obama are sell outs cut from 
>>> the same cloth. I'm more inclined to vote for Obama now. I still do 
>>> not like him, but having a brother in the office could stir of things in 
>>> the realm of racial issues. Yeah . I hate this country. 
>>>
>>> Amy Harlib wrote:
>>>
>>> 
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 - Original Message - 
 From: Dennis Kucinich 
 To: Amy Harlib 
 Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 1:23 PM
 Subject: New Hampshire, Iowa and Edwards 




 New Hampshire, Iowa and Edwards 

 Dear Supporter, 

 For the record:

 1.. New Hampshire is the first state where we are aggressively 
 campaigning. Due to the Party lockout in Iowa, we chose to focus on New 
 Hampshire. 
 2.. I am the only person running for President who voted against the war, 
 against funding the war 100% of the time, against the Patriot Act, and who 
 stands for a universal single-payer not-for-profit healthcare system. 
 Nevertheless I was excluded from Saturday night's ABC Presidential debate, 
 or four tone monologue as it was. 
 3.. In answer to your questions about why I didn't support former Senator 
 John Edwards on the second ballot in Iowa: I have serious concerns about 
 his connections to a Wall Street hedge fund, Fortress Investment Group. 
 While attacking others for accepting campaign money from Washington 
 lobbyists, he is up to his ears in money from Wall Street special 
 interests. 
 He made half a million dollars in a single year for attending a few 
 meetings for Fortress and has invested a substantial part of his own 
 personal wealth in the hedge fund whose portfolios are responsible for 
 sub-prime predatory lending practices, Medicare privatization, and an 
 entire range of corporate sharp dealings that are driving the middle class 
 into poverty. 

 While I indicated Senator Obama as a preferred second choice in Iowa, 
 Progressives have fundamental disagreements with him and all of the other 
 Presidential candidates on most of their major positions on the issues. 

Re: [scifinoir2] Corpse wheeled to check-cashing store

[Martin]

Tracey, when I woke up this morning, I was about as low as a human being could 
be. You have pulled me right out of the gutter and placed me atop Everest. 
Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU. I'd say that I love you, but I can't outrun 
your husband... ;D

"Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Men 
Accused of Wheeling Dead Man Through NYC Streets in Attempt to Cash 
His $355 Check

MARCUS FRANKLIN
AP News

Jan 09, 2008 09:51 EST

Two men wheeled a dead man through the streets in an office chair to a 
check-cashing store and tried to cash his Social Security check before 
being arrested on fraud charges, police said.

David J. Dalaia and James O'Hare pushed Virgilio Cintron's body from the 
Manhattan apartment that O'Hare and Cintron shared to Pay-O-Matic, about 
a block away, spokesman Paul Browne said witnesses told police.

"The witnesses saw the two pushing the chair with Cintron flopping from 
side to side and the two individuals propping him up and keeping him 
from flopping from side to side," Browne said.

The men left Cintron's body outside the store, went inside and tried to 
cash his $355 check, Browne said. The store's clerk, who knew Cintron, 
asked the men where he was, and O'Hare told the clerk they would go and 
get him, Browne said.

A police detective who was having lunch at a restaurant next to the 
check-cashing store noticed a crowd forming around Cintron's body, and 
"it's immediately apparent to him that Cintron is dead," Browne said.

The detective called uniformed New York Police Department officers at a 
nearby precinct. Emergency medical technicians arrived as O'Hare and 
Dalaia were preparing to wheel Cintron's body into the check-cashing 
store, Browne said. Police arrested Dalaia and O'Hare there, he said.

Cintron's body was taken to a hospital morgue. The medical examiner's 
office told police it appeared Cintron, 66, had died of natural causes 
within the previous 24 hours, Browne said.

"He was deceased in the apartment when he was removed by these two," 
Browne said.

Dalaia and O'Hare, both 65, were being held by police and faced check 
fraud charges, Browne said.

A call to a telephone number listed for Cintron at the apartment he 
shared with O'Hare went unanswered Tuesday evening. Police said they 
didn't have an address for Dalaia or attorney information for him or O'Hare.
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[scifinoir2] Fw: BlackBoxVoting Investigates: NEvoting machine firm executive w/criminal record

[Amy Harlib]

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Subject: BlackBoxVoting Investigates: NEvoting machine firm executive 
w/criminal record


Click here: BlackBoxVoting Investigates: New England voting machine firm 
executive has criminal record | Democracy for New Ham 

Yes, the stealing of election is yet another impeachable offense!
And yes, the Sunday NYT piece from Clive Thompson is about electronic voting 
machines, and he is interviewed this morning on Democracy Now! 
(www.democracynow.org )  

However, the conclusion of the Move-On petition to have a paper trail to our 
votes is not the answerplease be advised that this petition is merely 
the old Rush Holt bill warmed over with lipstick and just another 
title..it's the same bill as before, rewarmed from the freezer.it 
does nothing for allowing the paper ballot/hand count and in fact still gives 
honor and promotion of the false assurance of electronic machines (whether 
touch-screen or optical scanners).  BOTH are red flags.  
The ONLY way to assure your vote is counted accurately as possible is to have 
your moderator take the timely tried and true method of hand counting.  Info 
about how to do these counting methods are at the DFNH web site which is 
referred to above.

Also support for the Kucinich paper ballot bill, which he said he is going to 
reintroduce again this session, is necessary to finally get this info clear and 
allow folks to trust their vote actually being counted.

NH's problems with the op scanners have now surfaced with this Primary!  (and 
the ONLY thing on the ballot was to choose one candidate from your 
party..the simplest of all possible ballots!)  It does not take long to 
conduct a hand countin fact Canada does thismany misconceptions are 
promoted by those Neo-Cons (again)...and the majority of the Dems!  Wake up 
folks, it's the same crowd that opposes impeachment.

Time to break mythsagain.and inform Move-On that they're again not 
coming out on the real side of trust in our votes.  Perhaps they've also not 
read the fine print.like impeachment.  The message of getting the correct 
info is essential to informing the public about stealing elections AND 
impeachment.  For me, it's another indication that Move-On is NOT in the 
correct loop.
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Re: [scifinoir2] Remakes/What original works do you want to see?

[Martin]

In short stories, I have two personal favorites- no, three. "Great Work of 
Time" by John Crowley (an excellent treatise on exactly why time travel should 
be left alone), "A Dry, Cold War" by Tony Daniel (the usual 
vet-comes-back-from-war-to-the-family-farm story, made intereesting by the fact 
that said war was The War to End All Wars, and that he can't say a word about 
it, because doing so would require that the whole thing be restarted) and 
"Pixxa To Go" by Tom Holt (about a family pizzeria that delivers, Anywhere, 
Anywhen).

maidmarian_thepoet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  I can accept that novels rarely become movies. Good novels are just 
too dense for a movie. I'd settle for a few movies made from novellas 
and short stories. :-) They are different media and actually the 
movie can use visuals to telegraph what a writer might take pages to 
say. 

I would imagine that comic books have jump on many stories because 
they are already storyboarded for the director. 

Nevertheless, I am getting a bit tired of comic book heroes. 

What novels are short stories would you want to see? What would 
translate well? 

I'm trying to think. Some of my favorite Leguin novels would sound 
preachy on the screen. The screen requires does require some amount 
of action. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly 
Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Marian:
> 
> You have pointed out something to me twice. That in speculative 
> fiction, original scripts are becoming an endangered species. Also 
at 
> risk seem to be movies made from novels and short stories. The 
trend 
> seems to be remakes, comics and franchise reboots. coming up in 
2008 
> the only major original movie that comes to mind is cloverfield
> 
> maidmarian_thepoet wrote:
> > I can't help but notice that there is only one original movie on 
the
> > list. And it's the start of a series itself. 
> >
> >
> >
> > -- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly 
Tracey
> > L. Minor)"  wrote:
> > 
> >> Saw this on Scifi Channel web site.
> >>
> >> Which of the following Oscar contenders do you think should win 
for
> >> 
> > Best 
> > 
> >> Special Effects?
> >>
> >> Fantastic Four 2
> >> The Golden Compass
> >> Harry Potter and The Order of the Phoenix
> >> Pirate 3
> >> Spidey 3
> >> Tranformers
> >>
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Re: [scifinoir2] Kerry 'snubs' Edwards, backs Obama

[Daryle]

Neither will anyone who would have ended up running with Clinton. This is
what baffles me about her campaign. Clearly, from day one, she is isolating
herself from anyone else who would be her running mate. Nobody wants to be
³one of the Supremes² in this show, especially when you¹ve raised as much
money as Obama has.


On 1/10/08 3:16 PM, "Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  
>  
>  
> 
> Wouldn't call it a "snub", except in the textbook definition. They weren't
> exactly cuddle-buddies during their campaign run.
> 
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  > wrote:  2004 nominee Kerry to
> back Obama for president
> http://rawstory.com/news/2007/2004_nominee_Kerry_to_back_Obama_0110.html
> 
> Barack Obama has won the presidential endorsement of Sen. John Kerry,
> the Democrats' 2004 nominee who lost to George W. Bush.
> 
> Kerry, a senator from Massachusetts, plans to announce his support
> Thursday at a rally at the College of Charleston, said a Democrat
> familiar with Kerry's decision. The 2004 nominee will argue that Obama
> can best unite the country and has the potential to create
> transformational change, the person said.
> 
> The news may come as a surprise to former Senator John Edwards, Kerry's
> running mate in the ill-fated 2004 race. Edwards is languishing in third
> place, behind Obama and Senator Hillary Clinton, but may do better in
> the southern states.
> 
> The two had their differences during the campaign over strategy and
> spending. In post-mortem interviews, Edwards said he would have been
> more aggressive in challenging the unsubstantiated allegations of the
> Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, the Vietnam War veterans who questioned
> Kerry's military record.
> 
> As for Obama, Kerry gave the young Illinois state senator his first turn
> in the national spotlight when he chose him to deliver the keynote
> speech at the 2004 Democratic National Convention. Later that year,
> Obama won election as a U.S. senator.
> 
> Kerry himself had considered running for president in 2008, but that
> plan fizzled with a botched Iraq joke during the close of the elections
> in 2006. For many Democrats, his words then revived bitter memories of
> his missteps in 2004, when he lost to Bush.
> 
> Since announcing a year ago he would not make the run, Kerry has prodded
> Democrats to take a stronger anti-war stance, pushing for troop
> withdrawal deadlines. In another area, he has backed environmental
> causes, writing a book with his wife on the issue.
> 
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Re: [scifinoir2] Ice Cube up forThe A-Team

[Martin]

Pal, hre may ahve been old, but I recall seeing it on DVD for the first time 
with my mother, sister and two of my aunts, and they were all hooting and 
hollering at him, for all the reasons *we* would want women to hoot and holler 
at us.

Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Keith...I just had this vision 
flash through my mind of tha bad mutha-shut-yo-mouth 'hobbling' after bad 
guys...Keith, he was old when they did the remake!

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: works for me! I still think Richard Roundtree should 
have starred in the "Shaft" remake!

-- Original message -- 
From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Caught this earlier today. I had the odd-slash-evil thought that Ice should 
play B.A. jarringly well-mannered son, while Mr T should reprise his own role.

"Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ice 
Cube Pities the Fool
Rapper-actor up forThe A-Team.
by Stax
http://movies.ign.com/articles/844/844131p1.html
January 8, 2008 - Now that John Singleton is set to direct the movie 
version of the 1980s TV series The A-Team, the rumor mill has kicked 
into overdrive with speculation about who might star in the Fox pic. One 
name that's popped up for the role of B.A. Baracus (immortalized on the 
small screen by Mr. T) is rapper-actor Ice Cube.

BlackFilm.com caught up with Cube while he was doing press for his new 
movie First Sunday, and got the star to comment on the buzz. When asked 
if he'd even consider the part, Cube replied, "Hell yeah, especially 
with John Singleton directing!"

Singleton and Cube first teamed on the former's directing debut, Boyz N 
the Hood.

Cube acknowledged that he has indeed been approached about the role, but 
doesn't know if he'll land it or not. "They want me to do it if all the 
business works out right," Cube explained. "I was a fan as a kid and 
that would be, not a dream come true, but it's definitely a good thing 
to do and I would put it on my resume for sure."

Ice Cube said that he "wouldn't try to duplicate what Mr. T did" and 
wants to put his own spin on the character, but he did promise to wear 
the mohawk if he gets the role.

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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Ballot Layout Helped to Seal Clinton Win

[Martin]

I wonder who gets paid to invent all of these ways to screw with the system...

ravenadal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Which just goes to show you there 
are more than one way to skin a cat.

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--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly
Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Ballot Changes Cited in Vote's Discrepancy With Polls
> Clinton's Favorable Placement on Ballots May Account for Part of Poll 
> Mistakes
> OPINION By JON A. KROSNICK, Professor, Stanford University
> http://www.abcnews.go.com/print?id=4107883
> Jan. 9, 2008 â€"
> 
> Without a doubt, a big source of the discrepancy between the 
> pre-election surveys and the election outcome in New Hampshire is the 
> order of candidates' names on the ballot and in the surveys.
> 
> Our analysis of all recent primaries in New Hampshire showed that there 
> was always a big primacy effect  big-name, big-vote-getting candidates 
> got 3 percent or more votes more when listed first on the ballot than 
> when listed last.
> 
> Until this year, New Hampshire rotated candidate name order from 
> precinct to precinct, which allowed us to do that analysis.
> 
> This year, the secretary of state changed the procedure so the names 
> were alphabetical starting with a randomly selected letter, in all 
> precincts.
> 
> The randomly selected letter this year was Z.
> 
> As a result, Joe Biden was first on every ballot, Hillary Clinton was 
> near the top of the list (and the first serious contender listed) and 
> Barack Obama was close to last of the 21 candidates listed.
> 
> Thus, I'll bet that Clinton got at least 3 percent more votes than
Obama 
> simply because she was listed close to the top.
> 
> Most, if not all, of the pre-election telephone polls rotated name
order 
> from respondent to respondent, which meant name order did not distort 
> their overall results. Failing to incorporate the name order effect
that 
> probably happened in the voting booth is therefore probably partly 
> responsible for the polls' inaccuracy.
> 
> More importantly, if New Hampshire had rotated name order in the voting 
> booth as it has always done in the past, the race would probably have 
> been too close to call without a recount and might even have been an 
> Obama victory.
> 
> Jon A. Krosnick is the Frederic O. Glover professor in humanities and 
> social sciences at Stanford University. He got his Ph.D. from the 
> University of Michigan.
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[Martin]

Amy, thank you for the Belated and Much Needed First Laugh of the Day!

Amy Harlib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  
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Thank goodness for Borowitz! LOL!

January 9, 2008

Hillary Schedules Official Crying Jag for South Carolina

Launches 'Sniffling Tour' Before SuperDuper Tuesday

Saying that she has learned valuable lessons from her victory in the New 
Hampshire primary, Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY) today announced that she was 
scheduling an official crying jag for the eve of the South Carolina primary 
on January 26.

Speaking to reporters in Las Vegas this morning, her eyes noticeably watery, 
Mrs. Clinton said that her election eve crying jag would be scheduled for 4 
PM EST on January 25.

But the newly lachrymose junior senator from New York indicated that her 
South Carolinian waterworks would only be one stop on an ambitious 
tear-drenched campaign schedule leading up to SuperDuper Tuesday on February 
5, an itinerary which she and her aides are calling her "Sniffling Tour."

"I'm going to be crying so much you're going to think I'm Anderson Cooper," 
she wept.

But even as Mrs. Clinton said that "this election is a crying game, and I'm 
in it to win it," some political observers wondered if the New York senator 
would be able to cry at will as often as her punishing schedule demands.

According to strategist Mark Penn, a trusted group of campaign aides would 
have the job of inducing tears from Mrs. Clinton by "saying mean things to 
her" before every appearance.

Additionally, Mr. Penn says, Mrs. Clinton has a secret weapon in her latest 
endeavor, former president Bill Clinton: "No one can make Hillary cry like 
Bill can."

Elsewhere, denying reports that he was scaling back his presidential 
campaign, former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney said that he was making 
"a major media buy at Kinko's."

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Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Why a Two-Party system?

[Martin]

Completely, and I don't see how we can unstick the oars, unless we start 
passing out copies of all of the Founding Fathers' works before each election. 
H...there's a business idea.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  yeah, but i don't see much building toward 
completion anymore. we're stagnant in this system of two-party control

-- Original message -- 
From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Completely, Keith, and my applause for such a well-spoken statement. Back in my 
salad daze, when I read almost anything that fell acorss my path, I read a 
treatise from one of the lesser-known Founding Fathers, in which he as much as 
admitted that the democracy he was helping to build was, as is our system of 
"justice", a work in progress that may never fully see completion.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hillary wins, Obama second, Edwards a solid (and 
sadly, consistent) third. McCain wins, flip-flop Romney second, Huckabee, 
Guliani, Ron Paul small but significant percentages. What will happen? Down the 
line Hillary and Obama will have to court Edwards, same for the Republicans 
(can't say who must court whom there, 'cause not sure who'll be stuck in third 
and fourth on that side). Heck, it might be possible that we actually go all 
the win to the conventions before a clear winner is chosen! Backroom deals, 
party favors traded--what a trip!

The thing that saddens me is that despite all of the above, America has become 
a two-party system. True independents, populist movements, little known but 
important issues--all get ignored in the wake of the two behemoths that crush 
or absorb the smaller town criers. The voices of the Kucinich's, Edwards and 
even fringe guys like Paul get silenced, or at best, made promises of 
inclusion, then get used, absorbed and forgotten. Or, perhaps they get a seat 
at the table by selling their souls. 

True change doesn't come often when you force all issues into two badly fitting 
paths of Democrats and Republicans, whose labels are inconsistent and 
inaccurate. The two-party system allows the status quo to continue. But if we 
Americans could force a multi-party system, if we could craft a country where 
party was less important than principle, where true coalitions could be built, 
maybe things would be different? How cool would it be if Congress had 17% 
people from the Progressive party of John Edwards, 10% from the Take Back 
America party of Ron Paul, 11% from the Real Patriot party of Kucinich? What if 
an independent or third party candidate could actually win without having to 
declare for the Elephants or the Donkeys? What if here in Georgia and other 
states, we didn't get forced to declare for only one party in the primaries? It 
seems to me that this two-party system, this lack of coalition building, is 
hurting us. The process is strange, skewed, inaccurate and broken.

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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Why a Two-Party system?

[Martin]

If we had a system like this, I might reconsider my reticence towards running 
for office, because I live in fear of beating the crap out of some numb-noggin 
who steps the wrong way with me.

Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  I just like any system where if you 
don¹t agree with someone, regardless of
party, you can jump over a table and punch them in the mouth. Sometimes, a
punch in the mouth gets a lot done and saves the tax payers a lot of money.

On 1/9/08 10:53 PM, "Justin Mohareb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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> On Jan 9, 2008 11:04 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Why a Two-Party system?

[Martin]

Gotta "amen" that, sister!

"Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  
I rather have a fourth Clinton admin then one year of a Bush 
administration. It that had happened the constitution would still be intact

ravenadal wrote:
> It is noteworthy that when Japan lost World War 2 and basically had
> democracy forced upon them, they studied the various forms of world
> democracy and decided to go with the parlimentary system. I have long
> been in favor of the parlimentary system. If we had the parlimentary
> system Bush would have been voted down in a vote of no confidence a
> long time ago. On the other hand, we might be in our third or fourth
> Clinton adminstration by now.
>
> ~rave!
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> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
>> Hillary wins, Obama second, Edwards a solid (and sadly, consistent)
>> 
> third. McCain wins, flip-flop Romney second, Huckabee, Guliani, Ron
> Paul small but significant percentages. What will happen? Down the
> line Hillary and Obama will have to court Edwards, same for the
> Republicans (can't say who must court whom there, 'cause not sure
> who'll be stuck in third and fourth on that side). Heck, it might be
> possible that we actually go all the win to the conventions before a
> clear winner is chosen! Backroom deals, party favors traded--what a trip!
> 
>> The thing that saddens me is that despite all of the above, America
>> 
> has become a two-party system. True independents, populist movements,
> little known but important issues--all get ignored in the wake of the
> two behemoths that crush or absorb the smaller town criers. The voices
> of the Kucinich's, Edwards and even fringe guys like Paul get
> silenced, or at best, made promises of inclusion, then get used,
> absorbed and forgotten. Or, perhaps they get a seat at the table by
> selling their souls. 
> 
>> True change doesn't come often when you force all issues into two
>> 
> badly fitting paths of Democrats and Republicans, whose labels are
> inconsistent and inaccurate. The two-party system allows the status
> quo to continue. But if we Americans could force a multi-party system,
> if we could craft a country where party was less important than
> principle, where true coalitions could be built, maybe things would be
> different? How cool would it be if Congress had 17% people from the
> Progressive party of John Edwards, 10% from the Take Back America
> party of Ron Paul, 11% from the Real Patriot party of Kucinich? What
> if an independent or third party candidate could actually win without
> having to declare for the Elephants or the Donkeys? What if here in
> Georgia and other states, we didn't get forced to declare for only one
> party in the primaries? It seems to me that this two-party system,
> this lack of coalition building, is hurting us. The process is
> strange, skewed, inaccurate and broken.
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Re: [scifinoir2] Kerry 'snubs' Edwards, backs Obama

[Martin]

Wouldn't call it a "snub", except in the textbook definition. They weren't 
exactly cuddle-buddies during their campaign run.

"Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  
2004 nominee Kerry to back Obama for president
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/2004_nominee_Kerry_to_back_Obama_0110.html

Barack Obama has won the presidential endorsement of Sen. John Kerry, 
the Democrats' 2004 nominee who lost to George W. Bush.

Kerry, a senator from Massachusetts, plans to announce his support 
Thursday at a rally at the College of Charleston, said a Democrat 
familiar with Kerry's decision. The 2004 nominee will argue that Obama 
can best unite the country and has the potential to create 
transformational change, the person said.

The news may come as a surprise to former Senator John Edwards, Kerry's 
running mate in the ill-fated 2004 race. Edwards is languishing in third 
place, behind Obama and Senator Hillary Clinton, but may do better in 
the southern states.

The two had their differences during the campaign over strategy and 
spending. In post-mortem interviews, Edwards said he would have been 
more aggressive in challenging the unsubstantiated allegations of the 
Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, the Vietnam War veterans who questioned 
Kerry's military record.

As for Obama, Kerry gave the young Illinois state senator his first turn 
in the national spotlight when he chose him to deliver the keynote 
speech at the 2004 Democratic National Convention. Later that year, 
Obama won election as a U.S. senator.

Kerry himself had considered running for president in 2008, but that 
plan fizzled with a botched Iraq joke during the close of the elections 
in 2006. For many Democrats, his words then revived bitter memories of 
his missteps in 2004, when he lost to Bush.

Since announcing a year ago he would not make the run, Kerry has prodded 
Democrats to take a stronger anti-war stance, pushing for troop 
withdrawal deadlines. In another area, he has backed environmental 
causes, writing a book with his wife on the issue.

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Re: [scifinoir2] FBI wiretaps dropped due to unpaid bills

[Martin]

OMFD!!
   
  (laughing to hard to muster even a lame quip...)

"Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Lax FBI Money Controls Lead to Shutdown of Surveillance, Justice 
Department Audit Finds

LARA JAKES JORDAN
AP News

Jan 10, 2008 13:53 EST

Telephone companies have cut off FBI wiretaps used to eavesdrop on 
suspected criminals because of the bureau's repeated failures to pay 
phone bills on time.

A Justice Department audit released Thursday blamed the lost connections 
on the FBI's lax oversight of money used in undercover investigations. 
Poor supervision of the program also allowed one agent to steal $25,000, 
the audit said.

In at least one case, a wiretap used in a Foreign Intelligence 
Surveillance Act investigation "was halted due to untimely payment," the 
audit found. FISA wiretaps are used in the government's most sensitive 
and secretive criminal investigations, and allow eavesdropping on 
suspected terrorists or spies.

"We also found that late payments have resulted in telecommunications 
carriers actually disconnecting phone lines established to deliver 
surveillance results to the FBI, resulting in lost evidence," according 
to the audit by Inspector General Glenn A. Fine.

More than half of 990 bills to pay for telecommunication surveillance in 
five unidentified FBI field offices were not paid on time, the report 
shows. In one office alone, unpaid costs for wiretaps from one phone 
company totaled $66,000.

The FBI did not have an immediate comment.

The report released Thursday was a highly edited version of Fine's 
87-page audit that the FBI deemed too sensitive to be viewed publicly. 
It focused on what the FBI admitted was an "antiquated" system to track 
money sent to its 56 field offices nationwide for undercover work. 
Generally, the money pays for rental cars, leases and surveillance, the 
audit noted.

It also found that some field offices paid for expenses on undercover 
cases that should have been financed by FBI headquarters. Out of 130 
undercover payments examined, auditors found 14 cases of at least $6,000 
each where field offices dipped into their own budgets to pay for work 
that should have been picked up by headquarters.

The faulty bookkeeping was blamed, in large part, in the case of an FBI 
agent who pleaded guilty in June 2006 to stealing $25,000 for her own 
use, the audit noted.

"As demonstrated by the FBI employee who stole funds intended to support 
undercover activities, procedural controls by themselves have not 
ensured proper tracking and use of confidential case funds," it concluded.

Fine's report offered 16 recommendations to improve the FBI's tracking 
and management of the funding system, including its telecommunication 
costs. The FBI has agreed to follow 11 of the suggestions but said that 
four "would be either unfeasible or too cost prohibitive." The 
recommendations were not specifically outlined in the edited version of 
the report.

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Re: [scifinoir2] Buying of the President Website Unveiled

[Martin]

I'm surprised that no one has gotten around to this before, laying out the nuts 
and bolts this way.

"Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  
http://www.buyingofthepresident.org/
Center Unveils "Buying of the President 2008" Website
Comprehensive examination of how big money and special interests 
influence the path to the Oval Office

The site, www.buyingofthepresident.org, is a one-stop source of 
information about the 2008 election, featuring profiles of the 
candidates, their donors, and advisers, as well as the latest 
fundraising news. In addition, the site offers a history of U.S. 
presidential fundraising, complete with more than 75 in-depth interviews 
of current and former presidential candidates, political strategists, 
campaign donors, major fundraisers, and other experts. Longtime 
Washington journalist Sara Fritz, nationally syndicated columnist Jules 
Witcover, former White House correspondent John W. Mashek, and others 
conducted the interviews. It also includes: "Disclosure Scorecards" 
that reveal whether the candidates make public their daily campaign 
schedules, fundraising activities, and other personal financial information.

Other site features include:

* An anecdotal history of money in presidential politics, titled 
"The Hanna Project," which spans the McKinley-Bryan race of 1896 through 
the campaigns of George W. Bush.

* "The Spoils" that come with winning the presidency, including the 
ability to hand out everything from cushy ambassadorial posts to rides 
on Air Force One.

* Interviews with more than 25 former presidential candidates and 
more than 50 strategists, consultants, fundraisers, major donors, and 
other experts, including Bob Dole, Mary Matalin, John Kerry, Richard 
Lugar, Michael Dukakis, Walter Mondale, George McGovern, Ted Kennedy, 
Geraldine Ferraro, and Carol Moseley Braun.

* "The Auction Blog," the latest on how money is shaping the 2008 
presidential campaign.

* "The Archives" contains The Buying of the President books from 
1996, 2000, and 2004, as well as groundbreaking related reports dating 
to 1991.

* "Disclosure Scorecards" that reveal whether the candidates make 
public their daily campaign schedules, fundraising activities, and other 
personal financial information.

The Center for Public Integrity's Buying of the President series made 
its debut in 1996.

The Buying of the President 2008 site was made possible with support 
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Re: [scifinoir2] [Fwd:"Lynch (Tiger Woods) In A Back Alley" !?!?!?]

[Martin]

I've never been a golf fan at any time in my life. This won't win me over. To 
his credit as a human being, though, Tiger  brushed the whole matter off. Don't 
think I would've been so gracious.

"Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  
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From: Low Key <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Tilghman apologizes for 'lynch' Tiger remark

Golfweek.com 

Updated: January 10, 2008, 11:53 AM EST 

You certainly have to file Kelly Tilghman's on-air, on-camera 
comments during the Golf Channel's coverage of the Mercedes-Benz 
Championship under the "What was she thinking?" column.

During their usual post-round banter as they wrapped up Day 2 at the 
Plantation Course at Kapalua, Tilghman and cohort Nick Faldo 
discussed young players who could possibly challenge Tiger. Faldo, 
ever the joker, said perhaps the youngsters should "gang up (on 
Tiger) for a while." The pair laughed a bit before Tilghman responded 
by saying, "Lynch him in a back alley." The pair chuckled awkwardly 
before moving on.

The Golf Channel said it received a limited number of complaints 
regarding the comment.

Tilghman, realizing her faux pas, explained her comments during the 
final-round broadcast despite the possibility she could have swept 
the incident under the mat.

"I've reached out to Tiger to make an apology, and I've done the same 
with our viewers," Tilghman said.

"I can assure you that there was never any intention to offend 
anyone. I'm sorry for any misunderstanding."

Attempts to reach Woods or his agent, Mark Steinberg of IMG, were 
unsuccessful. A Golf Channel spokesman said no disciplinary action is 
planned, "other than the mistake she made is regrettable and an 
extreme learning experience for her." 

Video:
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[scifinoir2] Buying of the President Website Unveiled

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

http://www.buyingofthepresident.org/
Center Unveils "Buying of the President 2008" Website
Comprehensive examination of how big money and special interests 
influence the path to the Oval Office

The site, www.buyingofthepresident.org, is a one-stop source of 
information about the 2008 election, featuring profiles of the 
candidates, their donors, and advisers, as well as the latest 
fundraising news. In addition, the site offers a history of U.S. 
presidential fundraising, complete with more than 75 in-depth interviews 
of current and former presidential candidates, political strategists, 
campaign donors, major fundraisers, and other experts. Longtime 
Washington journalist Sara Fritz, nationally syndicated columnist Jules 
Witcover, former White House correspondent John W. Mashek, and others 
conducted the interviews.  It also includes:  "Disclosure Scorecards" 
that reveal whether the candidates make public their daily campaign 
schedules, fundraising activities, and other personal financial information.

Other site features include:

 * An anecdotal history of money in presidential politics, titled 
"The Hanna Project," which spans the McKinley-Bryan race of 1896 through 
the campaigns of George W. Bush.

 * "The Spoils" that come with winning the presidency, including the 
ability to hand out everything from cushy ambassadorial posts to rides 
on Air Force One.

 * Interviews with more than 25 former presidential candidates and 
more than 50 strategists, consultants, fundraisers, major donors, and 
other experts, including Bob Dole, Mary Matalin, John Kerry, Richard 
Lugar, Michael Dukakis, Walter Mondale, George McGovern, Ted Kennedy, 
Geraldine Ferraro, and Carol Moseley Braun.

 * "The Auction Blog," the latest on how money is shaping the 2008 
presidential campaign.

 * "The Archives" contains The Buying of the President books from 
1996, 2000, and 2004, as well as groundbreaking related reports dating 
to 1991.

 * "Disclosure Scorecards" that reveal whether the candidates make 
public their daily campaign schedules, fundraising activities, and other 
personal financial information.

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its debut in 1996.

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[scifinoir2] FBI wiretaps dropped due to unpaid bills

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

Lax FBI Money Controls Lead to Shutdown of Surveillance, Justice 
Department Audit Finds

LARA JAKES JORDAN
AP News

Jan 10, 2008 13:53 EST

Telephone companies have cut off FBI wiretaps used to eavesdrop on 
suspected criminals because of the bureau's repeated failures to pay 
phone bills on time.

A Justice Department audit released Thursday blamed the lost connections 
on the FBI's lax oversight of money used in undercover investigations. 
Poor supervision of the program also allowed one agent to steal $25,000, 
the audit said.

In at least one case, a wiretap used in a Foreign Intelligence 
Surveillance Act investigation "was halted due to untimely payment," the 
audit found. FISA wiretaps are used in the government's most sensitive 
and secretive criminal investigations, and allow eavesdropping on 
suspected terrorists or spies.

"We also found that late payments have resulted in telecommunications 
carriers actually disconnecting phone lines established to deliver 
surveillance results to the FBI, resulting in lost evidence," according 
to the audit by Inspector General Glenn A. Fine.

More than half of 990 bills to pay for telecommunication surveillance in 
five unidentified FBI field offices were not paid on time, the report 
shows. In one office alone, unpaid costs for wiretaps from one phone 
company totaled $66,000.

The FBI did not have an immediate comment.

The report released Thursday was a highly edited version of Fine's 
87-page audit that the FBI deemed too sensitive to be viewed publicly. 
It focused on what the FBI admitted was an "antiquated" system to track 
money sent to its 56 field offices nationwide for undercover work. 
Generally, the money pays for rental cars, leases and surveillance, the 
audit noted.

It also found that some field offices paid for expenses on undercover 
cases that should have been financed by FBI headquarters. Out of 130 
undercover payments examined, auditors found 14 cases of at least $6,000 
each where field offices dipped into their own budgets to pay for work 
that should have been picked up by headquarters.

The faulty bookkeeping was blamed, in large part, in the case of an FBI 
agent who pleaded guilty in June 2006 to stealing $25,000 for her own 
use, the audit noted.

"As demonstrated by the FBI employee who stole funds intended to support 
undercover activities, procedural controls by themselves have not 
ensured proper tracking and use of confidential case funds," it concluded.

Fine's report offered 16 recommendations to improve the FBI's tracking 
and management of the funding system, including its telecommunication 
costs. The FBI has agreed to follow 11 of the suggestions but said that 
four "would be either unfeasible or too cost prohibitive." The 
recommendations were not specifically outlined in the edited version of 
the report.

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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Why a Two-Party system?

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

Can't disagree with you there.  The Obama, Hilary, Edwards solution is 
all smoke and Mirrors.  I would not mind a gore prime minister, though

Daryle wrote:
> I can pass you along to a bunch of Brits and French people who heartily
> agree with you. The world would be a different place with Prime Minister
> Clinton in the center seat. That being said, if the United States switched
> systems today...I¹m not feeling Prime Minister Mrs. Clinton OR Prime
> Minister Obama, really. We¹d have to come up with an entirely different crew
> to choose from...which, I believe, is really the point.  We¹re looking at
> who could be a good CEO of the United States, Inc. , but not who could
> really represent the country¹s best interests.
>
>
> On 1/10/08 12:51 PM, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>
>> I rather have a fourth Clinton admin then one year of a Bush
>> administration.  It that had happened the constitution would still be intact
>>
>> ravenadal wrote:
>> 
 It is noteworthy that when Japan lost World War 2 and basically had
 democracy forced upon them, they studied the various forms of world
 democracy and decided to go with the parlimentary system.  I have long
 been in favor of the parlimentary system.  If we had the parlimentary
 system Bush would have been voted down in a vote of no confidence a
 long time ago.  On the other hand, we might be in our third or fourth
 Clinton adminstration by now.

 ~rave!

 --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com  ,
 
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>> Hillary wins, Obama second, Edwards a solid (and sadly, consistent)
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 third.  McCain wins, flip-flop Romney second, Huckabee, Guliani, Ron
 Paul small but significant percentages. What will happen? Down the
 line Hillary and Obama will have to court Edwards, same for the
 Republicans (can't say who must court whom there, 'cause not sure
 who'll be stuck in third and fourth on that side).   Heck, it might be
 possible that we actually go all the win to the conventions before a
 clear winner is chosen! Backroom deals, party favors traded--what a trip!
   
 
>> The thing that saddens me is that despite all of the above, America
>> 
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 has become a two-party system. True independents, populist movements,
 little known but important issues--all get ignored in the wake of the
 two behemoths that crush or absorb the smaller town criers. The voices
 of the Kucinich's, Edwards and even fringe guys like Paul get
 silenced, or at best, made promises of inclusion, then get used,
 absorbed and forgotten. Or, perhaps they get a seat at the table by
 selling their souls.
   
 
>> True change doesn't come often when you force all issues into two
>> 
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 badly fitting paths of Democrats and Republicans, whose labels are
 inconsistent and inaccurate. The two-party system allows the status
 quo to continue. But if we Americans could force a multi-party system,
 if we could craft a country where party was less important than
 principle, where true coalitions could be built, maybe things would be
 different? How cool would it be if Congress had 17% people from the
 Progressive party of John Edwards, 10% from the Take Back America
 party of Ron Paul, 11% from the Real Patriot party of Kucinich? What
 if an independent or third party candidate could actually win without
 having to declare for the Elephants or the Donkeys?  What if here in
 Georgia and other states, we didn't get forced to declare for only one
 party in the primaries?   It seems to me that this two-party system,
 this lack of coalition building, is hurting us. The process is
 strange, skewed, inaccurate and broken.
   
 
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Why a Two-Party system?

[Daryle]

I can pass you along to a bunch of Brits and French people who heartily
agree with you. The world would be a different place with Prime Minister
Clinton in the center seat. That being said, if the United States switched
systems today...I¹m not feeling Prime Minister Mrs. Clinton OR Prime
Minister Obama, really. We¹d have to come up with an entirely different crew
to choose from...which, I believe, is really the point.  We¹re looking at
who could be a good CEO of the United States, Inc. , but not who could
really represent the country¹s best interests.


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<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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> I rather have a fourth Clinton admin then one year of a Bush
> administration.  It that had happened the constitution would still be intact
> 
> ravenadal wrote:
>> > It is noteworthy that when Japan lost World War 2 and basically had
>> > democracy forced upon them, they studied the various forms of world
>> > democracy and decided to go with the parlimentary system.  I have long
>> > been in favor of the parlimentary system.  If we had the parlimentary
>> > system Bush would have been voted down in a vote of no confidence a
>> > long time ago.  On the other hand, we might be in our third or fourth
>> > Clinton adminstration by now.
>> >
>> > ~rave!
>> >
>> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com  ,
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>>> >> Hillary wins, Obama second, Edwards a solid (and sadly, consistent)
>>> >> 
>> > third.  McCain wins, flip-flop Romney second, Huckabee, Guliani, Ron
>> > Paul small but significant percentages. What will happen? Down the
>> > line Hillary and Obama will have to court Edwards, same for the
>> > Republicans (can't say who must court whom there, 'cause not sure
>> > who'll be stuck in third and fourth on that side).   Heck, it might be
>> > possible that we actually go all the win to the conventions before a
>> > clear winner is chosen! Backroom deals, party favors traded--what a trip!
>> >   
>>> >> The thing that saddens me is that despite all of the above, America
>>> >> 
>> > has become a two-party system. True independents, populist movements,
>> > little known but important issues--all get ignored in the wake of the
>> > two behemoths that crush or absorb the smaller town criers. The voices
>> > of the Kucinich's, Edwards and even fringe guys like Paul get
>> > silenced, or at best, made promises of inclusion, then get used,
>> > absorbed and forgotten. Or, perhaps they get a seat at the table by
>> > selling their souls.
>> >   
>>> >> True change doesn't come often when you force all issues into two
>>> >> 
>> > badly fitting paths of Democrats and Republicans, whose labels are
>> > inconsistent and inaccurate. The two-party system allows the status
>> > quo to continue. But if we Americans could force a multi-party system,
>> > if we could craft a country where party was less important than
>> > principle, where true coalitions could be built, maybe things would be
>> > different? How cool would it be if Congress had 17% people from the
>> > Progressive party of John Edwards, 10% from the Take Back America
>> > party of Ron Paul, 11% from the Real Patriot party of Kucinich? What
>> > if an independent or third party candidate could actually win without
>> > having to declare for the Elephants or the Donkeys?  What if here in
>> > Georgia and other states, we didn't get forced to declare for only one
>> > party in the primaries?   It seems to me that this two-party system,
>> > this lack of coalition building, is hurting us. The process is
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[scifinoir2] Raw EXIT POLL Data 'Indicated Significant Victory' for Obama

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

view MSNBC Video at :
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5535

'Was Ahead an Average of 8 Points, Even in Our Own Exit Polls'


Even the Exit Polls showed that Obama should have won, according to 
Chris Matthews on Hardball today. It's the first specific indication 
that we've seen that the raw, unadjusted Exit Poll data, which only 
corporate mainstream media folks, not mere mortals, are allowed to see, 
confirmed all of the pre-election polling which predicted an Obama win.

He introduced his segment today this way (video at right):
MATTHEWS: So what accounts for Hillary Clinton's victory in New 
Hampshire? What we don't know is why the victory is so much different in 
fact, then the polling ahead of time, including what we call the Exit 
Polls were telling us. Obama was ahead in those polls by an average of 8 
points, and even our own Exit Polls, taken as people came out of voting, 
showed him ahead. So what's going on here?

Good question. And one that we asked, verbatim, all night long last night.

"Why were the polls taken, of people coming out of the booth, so off?," 
Matthews tries to ask his guests again and again. And again.

All of them twisted and turned and contorted and grappled and 
speculated, coming up with every possible unverifiable, 
backwards-engineered explanation, save for the one that must not be 
named. The 600 lb. canary in the virtual living room...the fact that no 
human being has bothered to check what was actually on NH's vast 
majority of ballots (80%) which were "counted" by error-prone, hackable 
Diebold optical-scan machines, all controlled by one bad, horribly 
irresponsible private company, who has no business being anywhere near a 
public election...

We've yet to see that raw Exit data ourselves, as mentioned. But we're 
working on it. Even while we're still working on getting the 
never-released raw data from 2004, when the Exit Polls were done then, 
as now, by Mitofsky/Edison.

(BTW: They disavow their own Exit Polling from 2004. So, naturally, the 
MSM news consortium hired the same folks to do the job again in 2008. 
Perhaps it was the company's apparently spot-on Exit Polling in Ukraine, 
in December of 2004, cited as evidence of fraud by George W. Bush and 
Colin Powell, that the challenger should have won, rather than the 
incumbant, as the election results announced, in contradiction of the 
Exit Polls...but don't get us started.)

And yet, as all the talking heads continue to use data from those 
post-election-adjusted Exit Polls, as speculative reasons why Clinton 
was announced the winner ("higher than expected female turnout" "voters 
who make less than $50k"), Politico's Roger Simon, at the end of the 
Hardball segment, asks the question about NH '08, that we've been asking 
about 2004 for years: "If the exit polls got the results wrong, why do 
we think they got the demographics right?"

Did anything go wrong in New Hampshire? Who knows? The Pre-Election 
Polling indicates it did. The unadjusted Exit Polling, at least 
according to Matthews, indicates it did. But until we realize we need to 
actually count ballots --- openly and transparently --- in our American 
elections, we expect these same questions and nightmares will continue, 
over and over and over, for a very long time to come...


 
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[scifinoir2] [Fwd:"Lynch (Tiger Woods) In A Back Alley" !?!?!?]

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

 Original Message 
Date:   Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:08:41 -
From:   Low Key <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Tilghman apologizes for 'lynch' Tiger remark

Golfweek.com 

Updated: January 10, 2008, 11:53 AM EST 

You certainly have to file Kelly Tilghman's on-air, on-camera 
comments during the Golf Channel's coverage of the Mercedes-Benz 
Championship under the "What was she thinking?" column.

During their usual post-round banter as they wrapped up Day 2 at the 
Plantation Course at Kapalua, Tilghman and cohort Nick Faldo 
discussed young players who could possibly challenge Tiger. Faldo, 
ever the joker, said perhaps the youngsters should "gang up (on 
Tiger) for a while." The pair laughed a bit before Tilghman responded 
by saying, "Lynch him in a back alley." The pair chuckled awkwardly 
before moving on.

The Golf Channel said it received a limited number of complaints 
regarding the comment.

Tilghman, realizing her faux pas, explained her comments during the 
final-round broadcast despite the possibility she could have swept 
the incident under the mat.

"I've reached out to Tiger to make an apology, and I've done the same 
with our viewers," Tilghman said.

"I can assure you that there was never any intention to offend 
anyone. I'm sorry for any misunderstanding."

Attempts to reach Woods or his agent, Mark Steinberg of IMG, were 
unsuccessful. A Golf Channel spokesman said no disciplinary action is 
planned, "other than the mistake she made is regrettable and an 
extreme learning experience for her." 
 
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[scifinoir2] Kerry 'snubs' Edwards, backs Obama

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

2004 nominee Kerry to back Obama for president
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/2004_nominee_Kerry_to_back_Obama_0110.html

Barack Obama has won the presidential endorsement of Sen. John Kerry, 
the Democrats' 2004 nominee who lost to George W. Bush.

Kerry, a senator from Massachusetts, plans to announce his support 
Thursday at a rally at the College of Charleston, said a Democrat 
familiar with Kerry's decision. The 2004 nominee will argue that Obama 
can best unite the country and has the potential to create 
transformational change, the person said.

The news may come as a surprise to former Senator John Edwards, Kerry's 
running mate in the ill-fated 2004 race. Edwards is languishing in third 
place, behind Obama and Senator Hillary Clinton, but may do better in 
the southern states.

The two had their differences during the campaign over strategy and 
spending. In post-mortem interviews, Edwards said he would have been 
more aggressive in challenging the unsubstantiated allegations of the 
Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, the Vietnam War veterans who questioned 
Kerry's military record.

As for Obama, Kerry gave the young Illinois state senator his first turn 
in the national spotlight when he chose him to deliver the keynote 
speech at the 2004 Democratic National Convention. Later that year, 
Obama won election as a U.S. senator.

Kerry himself had considered running for president in 2008, but that 
plan fizzled with a botched Iraq joke during the close of the elections 
in 2006. For many Democrats, his words then revived bitter memories of 
his missteps in 2004, when he lost to Bush.

Since announcing a year ago he would not make the run, Kerry has prodded 
Democrats to take a stronger anti-war stance, pushing for troop 
withdrawal deadlines. In another area, he has backed environmental 
causes, writing a book with his wife on the issue.

Developing...


 
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Why a Two-Party system?

[KeithBJohnson]

freakin' hilarious!

-- Original message -- 
From: Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
I just like any system where if you don¹t agree with someone, regardless of
party, you can jump over a table and punch them in the mouth. Sometimes, a
punch in the mouth gets a lot done and saves the tax payers a lot of money.

On 1/9/08 10:53 PM, "Justin Mohareb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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>> > i like the idea of a parliamentary system as well.
> 
> Yeah, it kinda rocks.
> 
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Re: [scifinoir2] Comcast Cable Reveals Ambitious Plans at CES

[KeithBJohnson]

you got that right. I stayed with cable because it's actually been more stable 
and trouble free in terms of things like VPN connectivity to work than DSL (at 
least, in my job i get more support calls from users with DSL trying to connect 
from home than I do with cable users).  Comcast has also been ahead of 
BellSouth here in Georgia in terms of increasing my line speed. 
Not sure which is better now...

-- Original message -- 
From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Pal, I suspect that that 100 Mbps link will come with a two-way funnel, the 
better to siphon the cash from your wallet.

Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 100 megabit download speedI'm still 
waiting for the 7 mbps...

Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I see, hear and feel you, pal.

Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I haven't read the entire thread, but I 
heard that Comcast was purposely constricting streaming video and downloads 
from peer to peer groups to conserve bandwith...That would explain why 
downloads are just as slow as when I had a Pentium III...I really hate 
Comcrap...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fascinating. Comcast Cable is promising me 100 
*megabit* download speed within the year, a plethora of HD movies, and 
--finally! finally--the ability for me to *buy* my own cable box at the 
store, or get it inside a TV, instead of renting one from them? Oh, and the new 
system of cable signalling will be oh-so-cool and universally accessible and 
open, it's damn near the Linux of broadband??

A year ago when i moved into my home, i had Comcast transfer my account from my 
old place. As a deal to keep me, they promised me one free cable box, with no 
rental fee at all. I'd only pay for one box. The cable guy showed up, took 
three hours to run the cable, confirmed the operation of both boxes with the 
home office, but left without providing a grounding rod (to prevent against 
lightning strikes) for my house. Called them about it and was told to buy a 
metal rod at Home Depot, cut it to size, attach the ground wire, and drive it 
into the ground myself. 

That night, discovered my account was messed up so that I couldn't get the 
Internet. I spent three hours on the phone with them straightening it out, and 
had to help the tech puzzle out my problem and solution. That lasted from 10 pm 
to 1 am. At one point the tech blamed me for the lack of Web access, saying it 
was my wireless router causing the problem. Explained the router had to *get* a 
signal from them before it could jack up that signal, and that wireless doesn't 
intefere with the signal across an Ethernet cable, and what kind of idiot did 
she think i was that i'd be testing a new connection with the wireless instead 
of a hard wired connection? Okay, if you say so Mr. Johnson, but could you turn 
off the wireless just to be safe?

Got my first bill, notice my middle name is wrong. A year later--a year!--they 
say my name's correct on their side, I've had at least a dozen conversations 
about it, but my middle name is still wrong on the bill and on my Internet 
account management site. 
They can't change one middle initial, but somehow the charges keep finding my 
house.

In the last year I've had them reset both my cable boxes several times due to 
signal issues. They once scheduled a tech to come out on a Sunday, during the 
very narrowly defined window of "sometime in the afternoon". Stayed around all 
day one sunny day, he never showed. Called them, said they'd fixed the problem 
remotely and he didn't have to show, and no we didn't call you to let you know 
you could have enjoyed your Sunday.
Surprised the cops didn't show up after my response.

Called to add a couple of channels last week, they got that done on one box, 
but not the "free" box. Called back, was told that I only have one box, even 
though I'm staring at the second box. The same "free" box they'd reset remotely 
several times, but which was evidently all in my mind. Then told the second 
box--the "Free" one--is on some lady's account somewhere in Atlanta and she's 
been getting the rental fee I should have been paying for that "free" box, and 
no, we don't have any deal for a "free" box so you have to pay for it. Oh, and 
the tech has to go to lunch but would call back, hung up, never called back. 
Called Comcast three hours later, was told she'd gone home, and no, they don't 
have the records of our conversation because even though they're an eleventy 
billion dollar high tech company promising me instantaneous movie downloads, 
their computer system doesn't let themt see the customer service call records 
of another rep. But they'll leave her a message to
call back.

She never did.

Two days later on my "day off"--really a comp day after my having worked 17 
hours on a problem at my job and running on two hours sleep--i called them. Was 
told I had to take the "free" box to their store and get another one, which I'd 
be charged for because we've never offered a

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Why a Two-Party system?

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

I rather have a fourth Clinton admin then one year of a Bush 
administration.  It that had happened the constitution would still be intact

ravenadal wrote:
> It is noteworthy that when Japan lost World War 2 and basically had
> democracy forced upon them, they studied the various forms of world
> democracy and decided to go with the parlimentary system.  I have long
> been in favor of the parlimentary system.  If we had the parlimentary
> system Bush would have been voted down in a vote of no confidence a
> long time ago.  On the other hand, we might be in our third or fourth
> Clinton adminstration by now.
>
> ~rave!
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>   
>> Hillary wins, Obama second, Edwards a solid (and sadly, consistent)
>> 
> third.  McCain wins, flip-flop Romney second, Huckabee, Guliani, Ron
> Paul small but significant percentages. What will happen? Down the
> line Hillary and Obama will have to court Edwards, same for the
> Republicans (can't say who must court whom there, 'cause not sure
> who'll be stuck in third and fourth on that side).   Heck, it might be
> possible that we actually go all the win to the conventions before a
> clear winner is chosen! Backroom deals, party favors traded--what a trip!
>   
>> The thing that saddens me is that despite all of the above, America
>> 
> has become a two-party system. True independents, populist movements,
> little known but important issues--all get ignored in the wake of the
> two behemoths that crush or absorb the smaller town criers. The voices
> of the Kucinich's, Edwards and even fringe guys like Paul get
> silenced, or at best, made promises of inclusion, then get used,
> absorbed and forgotten. Or, perhaps they get a seat at the table by
> selling their souls.   
>   
>> True change doesn't come often when you force all issues into two
>> 
> badly fitting paths of Democrats and Republicans, whose labels are
> inconsistent and inaccurate. The two-party system allows the status
> quo to continue. But if we Americans could force a multi-party system,
> if we could craft a country where party was less important than
> principle, where true coalitions could be built, maybe things would be
> different? How cool would it be if Congress had 17% people from the
> Progressive party of John Edwards, 10% from the Take Back America
> party of Ron Paul, 11% from the Real Patriot party of Kucinich? What
> if an independent or third party candidate could actually win without
> having to declare for the Elephants or the Donkeys?  What if here in
> Georgia and other states, we didn't get forced to declare for only one
> party in the primaries?   It seems to me that this two-party system,
> this lack of coalition building, is hurting us. The process is
> strange, skewed, inaccurate and broken.
>   
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Re: [scifinoir2] Rave's "Shoot 'Em Up" Review

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

Fantastic Review!!! I hope this movie becomes cult favorite. You guys 
have got to rent this.
ravenadal wrote:
> In "Bully for Bugs," Bugs Bunny, once again making that "wrong turn 
> at Albuquerque," finds himself a spectator inside a bullring, where a 
> magnificent bull is making short work of an overmatched toreador. 
> Bugs is minding his own business –admittedly in the wrong place at 
> the wrong time - "What's up, Doc?" – when the not amused bull bucks 
> Bugs out of the arena and into the stratosphere.  As Bugs, tail 
> jacked up, is propelled toward the heavens, he turns to the camera 
> and declares with an annoyed smirk, "Of course you know, this means 
> war!"  There ensues an outlandish, over the top, war of wits between 
> Bugs and the bull fought with such implements as an anvil, a 
> slingshot, a rifle, elephant bullets, axle grease, and a crude Rube 
> Goldberg device that employs TNT.
>
> "Shoot `Em Up," the Michael Davis directed movie starring Clive Owen, 
> Paul Giamatti and Monica Bellucci is like an 86 minute live action 
> version of that classic 1953 cartoon short.  The movie opens on a 
> extreme close-up of our hero "Smith" (Clive Owen) taking a deliberate 
> bite out of long stemmed carrot.  Taciturn Smith is our Bugs and he 
> has definitely taken a wrong turn somewhere, although it may not have 
> been Albuquerque.  
>
> Full of righteous indignation, Smith hates everything.  He hates "40-
> year old jack-holes wearing ponytails," as he informs us before 
> blowing the back of head off of a 40-year old jack-hole wearing a 
> ponytail.  He hates privileged yuppies who park in handicap spaces we 
> learn before he smashes the driver's side window of an illegally 
> parked Mercedes before stealing it.  And he hates guys changing lanes 
> without signaling, as we discover when he forces said guy off the 
> road causing him to smash into a parked car.
>
> Paul Giamatti, more bully than bull, is the malevolent Elmer Fudd of 
> this piece.  Giamatti takes delicious delight in his devilishness.  
>
> Once Owen and Giamatti have engaged in "Of course you know, this 
> means war!" one-upmanship, "Shoot "Em Up" devolves into one 
> spectacularly choreographed scene of mythic mayhem after another.  In 
> fact, "Shoot `Em Up" is so jacked up on a Red Bull high of 
> Testosterone injected vitriol, that you can seldom catch your breath 
> let alone make heads or tails of what is going on.  Until about three-
> quarters in, the movie moves so fast, you are just jerked along, 
> unable to make any of the human connections you would need to make in 
> order to care.
>
> Of course, the movie uses the stock device that has informed movies 
> from their infancy: the imperiled infant.  Not since "Raising 
> Arizona" has such a sweet countenanced kid been put in such stark 
> danger.  Except, "Arizona" being a comedy, you knew nothing was going 
> to happen to 
> Junior.  In "Shoot `Em Up" all bets are off.
>
> The plot of "Shoot `Em Up" is almost as cartoonish as the action.  
> There are so much ammunition dispersed in this movie, with the guns 
> and gunplay erotized to a level nothing human approach in this movie, 
> it is almost laughable that a gun control initiative is at the heart 
> of its overblown action.  Like watching a porn movie about 
> abstinence, this is kind of a turn-off.
>
> That said, the adrenaline rush of "Shoot `Em Up" should not be 
> missed.  I recommend turning on the subtitles (some of the best throw-
> away lines may be missed if you don't) and watching it live as a live 
> action comic book.  Then watching it again.
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[scifinoir2] Why do critics still sneer at sci-fi?

[Brent Wodehouse]

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/books/2008/01/why_do_critics_still_sneer_at.html

Why do critics still sneer at sci-fi?

Science fiction writers are dismissed by the mainstream, but for
mind-expanding ideas and sheer narrative excitement the genre is hard to
beat

January 7, 2008


The annual Hugo Awards for science fiction and fantasy have been running
uninterrupted (with the exception of a brief hiatus in 1954) since 1953.
Voting is open to anyone prepared to stump up the money (currently $40)
and the ceremony has been held all over the world. As such, the awards can
lay serious claim to being one of the most venerable, democratic and
international in existence, not to mention one of the most transparent.

Outside the sci-fi community, however, the awards barely resonate. Leaving
aside the (admittedly interesting) question of whether democratic voting
will always select the best novel over that year's populist Dan Brown
equivalent, there's the well-known snobbery around these genre books.
Science fiction may be one of the defining literatures of the last
century, but it's rare that its products get any kind of acceptance by the
academy (and when they do, they're then generally called something else).

The 1953 winner, Alfred Bester's The Demolished Man, is a case in point.
Although it still makes most fan lists of the top science fiction books of
all time, it's rarely mentioned in the mainstream press. Trawling through
the Guardian digital archive, for instance, I uncovered only two hits for
the book; one an advert placed in the Observer in 1953, one in an article
by Martin Amis in 1975, who mentioned it (briefly) only so he could
dismiss its author as a cult figure ("always a worrying sign"). Meanwhile
in more recent Guardians there have been just two more passing mentions
here and here - both written by self-confessed sci-fi junkies.

So I was curious to see if The Demolished Man deserves to have been so
ghettoised, or if this is a book that could appeal to someone like me,
with only a casual interest in the genre. Since I enjoyed it, I suppose
the short answers are "no" and "yes", respectively. There is a rather more
complex long answer, however.

The plot is intriguing. It's a kind of 24th-century how-dunnit about Ben
Reich, a man who manages to commit a murder in an age when the police
force is dominated by psychics and most crimes are spotted long before
they happen. It's fast-paced and snappy and films like Minority Report
(not to mention a mooted version of this book itself) are testament to the
continuing fascination of its central premise.

The trouble is that before the action can really get rolling, Bester has
to go to a lot of trouble to explain how the various levels of psychics
(known as "peepers") operate in society, how people travel from planet to
planet, how the anti-hero will be able to deflect the attentions of the
peepers, and so on. Alongside all that, there's a lot of work to put in
wading through jargon about "hydropathic beds", "multi-clocks", "espers",
"v-phones" and similar.

"Information dumping", of course, is one of the sticks critics of sci-fi
use to beat the genre. Such naysayers could also probably make a fairly
strong case about Bester's writing and its marked pulp fiction tendencies.
That Bester's prose isn't exactly subtle can be fairly well gauged from
the very first words (and their accompanying punctuation): "Explosion!
Concussion!" Worse yet, he doesn't hold back from bizarre,
universe-warping plot twists. Towards the end, we are told (breathlessly)
that Reich is set to become "the deadly enemy of Galactic reason and
reality" and that this is certainly cause for "Alarm!" Sadly, the reason
he might become so dangerous is never properly explained. Even if it
weren't daft, it would be confusing.

All the same, I did see the appeal. Bester's quick-fire prose shouldn't be
dismissed out of hand. He's no Hemingway, but there is something to be
said for his lean, spare writing, while a few dabs of typographical
experimentation surrounding peeper psychic communication work admirably.

Many of Bester's ideas are also fascinating as historical curiosities.
It's fun seeing how the future was imagined by someone writing before the
age of the microchip - when a giant ticker tape-spitting computer would
seem like the most impressive machine imaginable - not to mention someone
who thought that if you ventured inside a person's psyche you really would
find the raging torrents of the id, the ego, the superego and other
Freudian ideas made manifest. Some of his imaginative fancies, meanwhile,
remain strikingly modern. Vivid descriptions of grungey post-apocalyptic
brothels and cynically exploitative holiday planets wouldn't seem out of
place in contemporary cyber punk, while a few neat jokes remain
surprisingly fresh. (There's a particularly good line about annoying
jingles being called pepsis although no one can remember why.)

Finally, as science fiction advocates are always telling u

[scifinoir2] Rave's "Shoot 'Em Up" Review

[ravenadal]

In "Bully for Bugs," Bugs Bunny, once again making that "wrong turn 
at Albuquerque," finds himself a spectator inside a bullring, where a 
magnificent bull is making short work of an overmatched toreador. 
Bugs is minding his own business –admittedly in the wrong place at 
the wrong time - "What's up, Doc?" – when the not amused bull bucks 
Bugs out of the arena and into the stratosphere.  As Bugs, tail 
jacked up, is propelled toward the heavens, he turns to the camera 
and declares with an annoyed smirk, "Of course you know, this means 
war!"  There ensues an outlandish, over the top, war of wits between 
Bugs and the bull fought with such implements as an anvil, a 
slingshot, a rifle, elephant bullets, axle grease, and a crude Rube 
Goldberg device that employs TNT.

"Shoot `Em Up," the Michael Davis directed movie starring Clive Owen, 
Paul Giamatti and Monica Bellucci is like an 86 minute live action 
version of that classic 1953 cartoon short.  The movie opens on a 
extreme close-up of our hero "Smith" (Clive Owen) taking a deliberate 
bite out of long stemmed carrot.  Taciturn Smith is our Bugs and he 
has definitely taken a wrong turn somewhere, although it may not have 
been Albuquerque.  

Full of righteous indignation, Smith hates everything.  He hates "40-
year old jack-holes wearing ponytails," as he informs us before 
blowing the back of head off of a 40-year old jack-hole wearing a 
ponytail.  He hates privileged yuppies who park in handicap spaces we 
learn before he smashes the driver's side window of an illegally 
parked Mercedes before stealing it.  And he hates guys changing lanes 
without signaling, as we discover when he forces said guy off the 
road causing him to smash into a parked car.

Paul Giamatti, more bully than bull, is the malevolent Elmer Fudd of 
this piece.  Giamatti takes delicious delight in his devilishness.  

Once Owen and Giamatti have engaged in "Of course you know, this 
means war!" one-upmanship, "Shoot "Em Up" devolves into one 
spectacularly choreographed scene of mythic mayhem after another.  In 
fact, "Shoot `Em Up" is so jacked up on a Red Bull high of 
Testosterone injected vitriol, that you can seldom catch your breath 
let alone make heads or tails of what is going on.  Until about three-
quarters in, the movie moves so fast, you are just jerked along, 
unable to make any of the human connections you would need to make in 
order to care.

Of course, the movie uses the stock device that has informed movies 
from their infancy: the imperiled infant.  Not since "Raising 
Arizona" has such a sweet countenanced kid been put in such stark 
danger.  Except, "Arizona" being a comedy, you knew nothing was going 
to happen to 
Junior.  In "Shoot `Em Up" all bets are off.

The plot of "Shoot `Em Up" is almost as cartoonish as the action.  
There are so much ammunition dispersed in this movie, with the guns 
and gunplay erotized to a level nothing human approach in this movie, 
it is almost laughable that a gun control initiative is at the heart 
of its overblown action.  Like watching a porn movie about 
abstinence, this is kind of a turn-off.

That said, the adrenaline rush of "Shoot `Em Up" should not be 
missed.  I recommend turning on the subtitles (some of the best throw-
away lines may be missed if you don't) and watching it live as a live 
action comic book.  Then watching it again.

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Why a Two-Party system?

[Daryle]

I just like any system where if you don¹t agree with someone, regardless of
party, you can jump over a table and punch them in the mouth. Sometimes, a
punch in the mouth gets a lot done and saves the tax payers a lot of money.


On 1/9/08 10:53 PM, "Justin Mohareb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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> JJ Mohareb




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Re: [scifinoir2] Comcast Cable Reveals Ambitious Plans at CES

[Martin]

Pal, I suspect that that 100 Mbps link will come with a two-way funnel, the 
better to siphon the cash from your wallet.

Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   100 
megabit download speed...I'm still waiting for the 7 mbps...
 
 Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  I see, hear and feel you, pal.
 
 Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I haven't read the entire thread, but I 
heard that Comcast was purposely constricting streaming video and downloads 
from peer to peer groups to conserve bandwith...That would explain why 
downloads are just as slow as when I had a Pentium III...I really hate 
Comcrap...
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fascinating. Comcast Cable is promising me 100 
*megabit* download speed within the year, a plethora of HD movies, and 
--finally! finally--the ability for me to *buy* my own cable box at the 
store, or get it inside a TV, instead of renting one from them? Oh, and the new 
system of cable signalling will be oh-so-cool and universally accessible and 
open, it's damn near the Linux of broadband??
 
 A year ago when i moved into my home, i had Comcast transfer my account from 
my old place. As a deal to keep me, they promised me one free cable box, with 
no rental fee at all. I'd only pay for one box. The cable guy showed up, took 
three hours to run the cable, confirmed the operation of both boxes with the 
home office, but left without providing a grounding rod (to prevent against 
lightning strikes) for my house. Called them about it and was told to buy a 
metal rod at Home Depot, cut it to size, attach the ground wire, and drive it 
into the ground myself. 
 
 That night, discovered my account was messed up so that I couldn't get the 
Internet. I spent three hours on the phone with them straightening it out, and 
had to help the tech puzzle out my problem and solution. That lasted from 10 pm 
to 1 am. At one point the tech blamed me for the lack of Web access, saying it 
was my wireless router causing the problem. Explained the router had to *get* a 
signal from them before it could jack up that signal, and that wireless doesn't 
intefere with the signal across an Ethernet cable, and what kind of idiot did 
she think i was that i'd be testing a new connection with the wireless instead 
of a hard wired connection? Okay, if you say so Mr. Johnson, but could you turn 
off the wireless just to be safe?
 
 Got my first bill, notice my middle name is wrong. A year later--a year!--they 
say my name's correct on their side, I've had at least a dozen conversations 
about it, but my middle name is still wrong on the bill and on my Internet 
account management site. 
 They can't change one middle initial, but somehow the charges keep finding my 
house.
 
 In the last year I've had them reset both my cable boxes several times due to 
signal issues. They once scheduled a tech to come out on a Sunday, during the 
very narrowly defined window of "sometime in the afternoon". Stayed around all 
day one sunny day, he never showed. Called them, said they'd fixed the problem 
remotely and he didn't have to show, and no we didn't call you to let you know 
you could have enjoyed your Sunday.
 Surprised the cops didn't show up after my response.
 
 Called to add a couple of channels last week, they got that done on one box, 
but not the "free" box. Called back, was told that I only have one box, even 
though I'm staring at the second box. The same "free" box they'd reset remotely 
several times, but which was evidently all in my mind. Then told the second 
box--the "Free" one--is on some lady's account somewhere in Atlanta and she's 
been getting the rental fee I should have been paying for that "free" box, and 
no, we don't have any deal for a "free" box so you have to pay for it. Oh, and 
the tech has to go to lunch but would call back, hung up, never called back. 
Called Comcast three hours later, was told she'd gone home, and no, they don't 
have the records of our conversation because even though they're an eleventy 
billion dollar high tech company promising me instantaneous movie downloads, 
their computer system doesn't let themt see the customer service call records 
of another rep. But they'll leave her a message to
 call back.
 
 She never did.
 
 Two days later on my "day off"--really a comp day after my having worked 17 
hours on a problem at my job and running on two hours sleep--i called them. Was 
told I had to take the "free" box to their store and get another one, which I'd 
be charged for because we've never offered anyone a "free" box and you've been 
getting away with something. One tirade later, they finally found those records 
that the box was "free", but not sure "Free" would apply once I add or remove 
channels. Can't tell you why, Mr. Johnson, the box is no longer "free" like we 
promised just because you add or remove channels, but we'll investigate. 
That'll take a week to ten days and no, you can't get the added channels on 
that