[RE][scifinoir2] How Did The Fall Scifi TV Shows Fare?
Okay... After readign tha, one of two things apply. Either I'm brain-dead as a viewer, or these guys know *nothing* about TV, because the *only* show of those listed I'm watching is My Own Worst Enemy (which has begun growing on me slowly). The rest of that crap, I make it a point to have my TV *elsewhere* when they're on. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] How Did The Fall Scifi TV Shows Fare? Date : Tue, 28 Oct 2008 21:45:49 -0700 From : Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, 'Cinque' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Glenn Sigler' [EMAIL PROTECTED] How Did The Fall TV Shows Fare? As the fall TV season hits its stride, the winners and losers have emerged, and it's a bloodbath out there. Ratings in general are horrible, and the major networks are still reeling from last year's writers' strike and a splintered viewership. Three series have already been pulled from the airwaves, including CBS' The Ex List. Herewith, the first of two SCI FI Wire assessments of how new and returning SFamp;F shows made the grade, in descending order. Today, we look at the new shows. Tomorrow, returning series. (In the past if a TV series was on one of the four big broadcast networks, it needed to bring in 10 million viewers or so to prove it was worthy. For The CW, the number was lower, and 3 million viewers did the trick. Oh, how things have changed!) The Mentalist (CBS) Premiered with 15.55 million viewers. Last week, 15.29 million viewers. OK, he's a fake psychic, and it's not really science fiction, but we'll claim any show that does this well. It's the only certified hit for the new season, drawing great numbers against Fox's Fringe. Beyond that, it manages to keep 90 percent of its viewers from lead-in NCIS. That sounds like a match made in TV heaven. Grade: A+ Sanctuary (SCI FI) Premiered with 3 million viewers. Television's first mostly virtual series kicked off great, and it looks like a worthy successor to exiting SCI FI Friday shows Stargate Atlantis and Battlestar Galactica. Grade: A Eleventh Hour (CBS) Premiered with 11.59 million viewers. Last week, 12.16 million viewers. Not a hit, this show can't keep up with its lead-in C.S.I.'s big numbers. But it has built its audience and consistently does well against NBC's ER and ABC's Life on Mars. Whether or not the series will stay on Thursdays or be swapped with Tuesday's Without A Trace remains to be seen, but in this ratings environment those numbers look good. Grade: B+ Fringe (Fox) Premiered with 9 million viewers. Last week, 9.11 million viewers. This show had the most hype heading into the fall season, so the ratings have been a bit of a disappointment. Still, considering the implosion of Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles and some of Fox's other shows, 9 million+ viewers seems pretty good. Grade: B Knight Rider (NBC) Premiered with 7.3 million viewers. Last week, 7.23 million viewers. This lightweight show with apparent lightweight ratings wouldn't seem to be a keeper for NBC. But Knight Rider appeals strongly to the young male viewer, and that was good enough for a full-season pickup. Grade: C (NBC is owned by NBC Universal, which also owns SCIFI.COM.) Life on Mars (ABC) Premiered with 11.6 million viewers. Last week, 8.06 million viewers. This British transplant got a strong sampling when it premiered and managed to beat out CBS' Eleventh Hour in a head-to-head ratings smackdown. Since then, it's been losing viewers each week, which is always a bad sign. Between Eli Stone on Tuesdays, Dirty Sexy Money on Wednesdays and Life on Mars on Thursdays, ABC is having a tough time in the 10 p.m. hour. Grade: D My Own Worst Enemy (NBC) Premiered with 7.27 million viewers. Last week, 5.72 million viewers. Another troubled show, My Own Worst Enemy didn't appeal to viewers from the beginning, despite heavy promotion. Part of the problem has to do with lead-in Heroes' anemic numbers this season, but Enemy loses viewers by the half-hour mark, and that's a bad, bad sign. It's possible NBC will try Enemy in another slot and bring its reliable Medium, which is waiting in the wings, back where it belongs on Mondays. Grade: D- Valentine (The CW) Premiered with 1.1 million viewers. Last week, 846,000 viewers. The CW took a risk by turning over its Sunday nights to Media Rights Capital, which produced three new series. Unfortunately, the experiment failed, and the shows tanked across the board. Production was temporarily halted on Valentine after finishing eight episodes. Media Rights Capital promises to continue production and finish its 13-episode order, but considering it can't even crack a million viewers, the Greek Gods themselves would be challenged to save this one. Grade: F The Ex List (CBS) Premiered with 6.85 million viewers. Last week, 5.65 million viewers. While Ghost Whisperer has been doing well on Fridays, the younger-skewing Ex List has proved a poor
[RE][scifinoir2] New Kevin Smith Movie Name Causing Problems?
Personally, despite being a Liberal Prude in Good Standing, I never had a problem with the original title. Still don't. And, if I may dare to ask, where were these Fine Upstanding Protestors when the movie Sexdrive came out? Martin (shaking head, going back to taking morning meds) -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] New Kevin Smith Movie Name Causing Problems? Date : Wed, 29 Oct 2008 04:42:20 + From : [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com While watching TV tonight, I saw a trailer for Kevin Smith's movie about a couple of folks (Seth Rogen, Elizabeth Banks) who start making adult films to pay the bills. It's not the kind of movie I'd pay to see at the theatre, so I've paid little attention to the trailers. But tonight, glancing at the commercial, I noticed something askew: the title seemed off. I wasn't sure, so waited until the commercial came up again later--both times, this was on Comedy Central--and sure enough, the name's changed on the commercials. Instead of the original Zack and Miri Make a Porno, it's now being billed as just Zack and Miri. At least, it is on Comedy Central. Searching the Web, I see some movie trailer sites listing it with the new shortened title, while other are keeping the old one. Curious, I did a Google search, and see that the porno part is indeed causing trouble in some quarters. The story below from a week ago gives some info on it. Interesting, but I guess the bigger t! hing is--is it any good? *** Zack And Miri Make A Porno Banned http://www.cinemablend.com/new.php?id=10558 Stick figures may have been enough to get the marketing materials for Zack and Miri Make a Porno past the MPAA, but even rendering Seth Rogen and Elizabeth Banks in pencil isn�t enough for some people. According to the AP, Zack and Miri is running into trouble everywhere, as The Weinstein Company attempts to roll out its marketing campaign for the film, only to have their money turned down by newspapers, television, and the owners of billboards and bus shelters. The problem is the title, which easily offended, puritanical consumers can�t stand to have in front of them. For example, Fox Sports dropped commercials for the film which aired during the Los Angeles Dodgers games after viewer complaints. The complaints are, as always, in the name of protecting children. Kids are asking their parents to explain what the word �porno� means, and parents would apparently, rather have their kids glean such information on the playground from their friends, or perhaps from a friendly neighborhood pedophile. Who can blame them? Nobody wants to actually talk to their kids. Zack and Miri Make a Porno�s title is its greatest asset. It�s an attention getter, and the title alone will get butts in seats. But it�s no surprise that it�s also stirring up controversy. As long as Weinstein Company refuses to cave and drop �porno� from the title, they�ll be fine. For every TV station which refuses to run an ad, there's another who will. People who have a problem with �porno� were never going to see the movie anyway, and any media outlet which refuses to run the film�s advertisements likely caters to exactly that sort of puritanical, never going to see it anyway, audience. I know, words are scary. This word however, may be the very thing which propels Kevin Smith to his first $30 million opening.
[RE][scifinoir2] Terrence Howard Interview on NPR
Keith, that's the vibe I've always gotten off him, and the reason I've always been a huge fan of his. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Terrence Howard Interview on NPR Date : Wed, 29 Oct 2008 03:25:43 + From : [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com NPR's Scott Simon did a really good, in-depth interview with Terrence Howard recently. He's a different kind of cat. Reminds me of old school brothers from back in the day: philosophizing and pondering, mixing old folks' slang and sayings with religious tenets or New Age ideas. He's kinda like a quieter, less-animated Avery Brooks in his cerebral and sometimes even ethereal verbal musings. Howard speaks of his father returing from prison being an embittered man, of the torment he endured having to move to the projects and being attacked because of his skin and eye color, of wanting to be a physicist. He also discussed the Iron Man thing, which Howard says caught him completely off guard. Maybe it was a financial dispute, but to hear Howard tell it, the agent and lawyers must have done the deed, because all he says is that he learned contracts aren't worth anything, friendships aren't worth anything, nor are promises. Doesn't sound like somone pulling out of a project beca! use he's an egotist who wants more dough. The change was all the tougher since he was just dealing with the death of his mother earlier this month. Good interview. Read an excerpt below, or go to the NPR link and click on Listen Now to hear a twelve minute version. For the full forty minute interview, click on Listen: Scott Simon's Full Interview With Howard. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95833828 Terrence Howard has been a busy man this year. He recently released his first album, Shine Through It, which he also produced. But Howard has been busy pretty much every year since the early 1990s, when he played Jackie Jackson in the made-for-TV movie The Jacksons: An American Dream. Howard is probably best known for his Oscar-nominated role as Djay, a pimp who dreams of making it as a hip-hop star, in the 2005 film Hustle amp; Flow. During a visit to NPR this week, he looked every inch a movie star, wearing a soft fedora cocked Sinatra-style � like a man who still feels that a star should dress the part, not dress down to avoid being recognized. Howard's artistry has many influences, but he told NPR's Scott Simon that it all started with his great-grandmother Minnie Gentry, herself an actor and musician. She introduced me to acting, Howard says, because there was magic and believability in what she did. She also introduced him to music by giving life to its notes. She would make me sit down at the piano and would teach me the relationship between A and D and G and C, why they were best friends, why they were relatives, Howard says. She talked to me about music in terms of family, so it's become part of my family. Family, however, does not always bring back positive memories for Howard. His childhood was tough � his family fell into poverty when his father was convicted of manslaughter and spent 11 months in prison. My father came back from prison a different person, because the kind nature he had, he had to lose in order to survive prison, Howard says. Howard experienced another loss when his mother died two weeks ago. I never felt grown until two weeks ago, he says. Two weeks ago, I became a grown man, because no longer did I have a light to follow. I had to become that light. But Howard says he is pleased that his mother got to hear his debut CD before she died, and that she was proud of his successes. This was her dream, to be an actor and a musician, he said. My dream was to be a physicist. (That dream started, he said, when, as a child in Cleveland, he was contemplating why bubbles are round.) But family is also the source of much joy for Howard. He says he is intensely proud of his children, particularly his 13-year-old son, Hunter, who sang backup vocals on Shine Through It. At the moment, Howard is teaching his son another of his many vocations: carpentry and home renovation. I'm raising a really beautiful young man that will probably become the scientist I always wanted to be, Howard says. Although subdued at his mother's passing, it's clear that Howard is often contemplative. He says he tends to store his emotions to develop the characters he plays � a trait he thinks is fraught with danger for some actors. I don't see the pain of life as much because I've played so many characters, Howard says of the numbness that can come from acting so often. And I think that's what happens to a lot of actors, and therefore they get hooked on drugs because they're desperate to get away from not feeling. They want to be excited or something. Perhaps that understanding is what has kept Howard from going down the same path. And
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] New Kevin Smith Movie Name Causing Problems?
Good point on that Sex Drive! -- Original message -- From: Martin Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Personally, despite being a Liberal Prude in Good Standing, I never had a problem with the original title. Still don't. And, if I may dare to ask, where were these Fine Upstanding Protestors when the movie Sexdrive came out? Martin (shaking head, going back to taking morning meds) -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] New Kevin Smith Movie Name Causing Problems? Date : Wed, 29 Oct 2008 04:42:20 + From : [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com While watching TV tonight, I saw a trailer for Kevin Smith's movie about a couple of folks (Seth Rogen, Elizabeth Banks) who start making adult films to pay the bills. It's not the kind of movie I'd pay to see at the theatre, so I've paid little attention to the trailers. But tonight, glancing at the commercial, I noticed something askew: the title seemed off. I wasn't sure, so waited until the commercial came up again later--both times, this was on Comedy Central--and sure enough, the name's changed on the commercials. Instead of the original Zack and Miri Make a Porno, it's now being billed as just Zack and Miri. At least, it is on Comedy Central. Searching the Web, I see some movie trailer sites listing it with the new shortened title, while other are keeping the old one. Curious, I did a Google search, and see that the porno part is indeed causing trouble in some quarters. The story below from a week ago gives some info on it. Interesting, but I guess the bigger! thing is--is it any good? *** Zack And Miri Make A Porno Banned http://www.cinemablend.com/new.php?id=10558 Stick figures may have been enough to get the marketing materials for Zack and Miri Make a Porno past the MPAA, but even rendering Seth Rogen and Elizabeth Banks in pencil isn�t enough for some people. According to the AP, Zack and Miri is running into trouble everywhere, as The Weinstein Company attempts to roll out its marketing campaign for the film, only to have their money turned down by newspapers, television, and the owners of billboards and bus shelters. The problem is the title, which easily offended, puritanical consumers can�t stand to have in front of them. For example, Fox Sports dropped commercials for the film which aired during the Los Angeles Dodgers games after viewer complaints. The complaints are, as always, in the name of protecting children. Kids are asking their parents to explain what the word �porno� means, and parents would apparently, rather have their kids glean such information on the playground from their friends, or perhaps from a friendly neighborhood pedophile. Who can blame them? Nobody wants to actually talk to their kids. Zack and Miri Make a Porno�s title is its greatest asset. It�s an attention getter, and the title alone will get butts in seats. But it�s no surprise that it�s also stirring up controversy. As long as Weinstein Company refuses to cave and drop �porno� from the title, they�ll be fine. For every TV station which refuses to run an ad, there's another who will. People who have a problem with �porno� were never going to see the movie anyway, and any media outlet which refuses to run the film�s advertisements likely caters to exactly that sort of puritanical, never going to see it anyway, audience. I know, words are scary. This word however, may be the very thing which propels Kevin Smith to his first $30 million opening.
Re: [scifinoir2] How Did The Fall Scifi TV Shows Fare?
Well, you know that I already lambasted Knight Rider, so am surprised it did well enough to be picked up. ( I swear the original was better). Valentine was on my hit list too, not at all surprised it's tanking. I haven't watched The Mentalist yet; guess I kept thinking of it as a serious version of Psych. But i've heard good things so will check it out if I get time. I'm surprised Eleventh Hour is doing as well. It's really just another procedural show with a mystery to solve, and starring a quirky lead doctor/scientist. It's like House on the road, or, a more grounded version of the out there science on Fringe, another solve-the-problem-of-the-week show with a quirky lead. Eleventh Hour is okay, but not a must see. I record it and watch Life on Mars instead. Life on Mars is at least entertaining so far. Not sure where it'll go. It's the kind of show that to me would realistically only stay fresh for one, possibly two, seasons. It has good actors, a good look, and actually decent plots. I'd give it a solid B, not sure where in the world they came up with a D rating. Ditto for My Own Worst Enemy. If I can quit worrying about the *why* of creating this split personality (for security I guess, but it's still a stretch), I can enjoy Slater as an actor. Still, you wonder who long the theme of each side recording messages to update the other side can last. A B- to me right now, again, due to good actors and at least interesting plots. But an F--what's the criterion this lady's using, her own tastes, or simply rating based on viewership? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] How Did The Fall TV Shows Fare? As the fall TV season hits its stride, the winners and losers have emerged, and it's a bloodbath out there. Ratings in general are horrible, and the major networks are still reeling from last year's writers' strike and a splintered viewership. Three series have already been pulled from the airwaves, including CBS' The Ex List. Herewith, the first of two SCI FI Wire assessments of how new and returning SFF shows made the grade, in descending order. Today, we look at the new shows. Tomorrow, returning series. (In the past if a TV series was on one of the four big broadcast networks, it needed to bring in 10 million viewers or so to prove it was worthy. For The CW, the number was lower, and 3 million viewers did the trick. Oh, how things have changed!) The Mentalist (CBS) Premiered with 15.55 million viewers. Last week, 15.29 million viewers. OK, he's a fake psychic, and it's not really science fiction, but we'll claim any show that does this well. It's the only certified hit for the new season, drawing great numbers against Fox's Fringe. Beyond that, it manages to keep 90 percent of its viewers from lead-in NCIS. That sounds like a match made in TV heaven. Grade: A+ Sanctuary (SCI FI) Premiered with 3 million viewers. Television's first mostly virtual series kicked off great, and it looks like a worthy successor to exiting SCI FI Friday shows Stargate Atlantis and Battlestar Galactica. Grade: A Eleventh Hour (CBS) Premiered with 11.59 million viewers. Last week, 12.16 million viewers. Not a hit, this show can't keep up with its lead-in C.S.I.'s big numbers. But it has built its audience and consistently does well against NBC's ER and ABC's Life on Mars. Whether or not the series will stay on Thursdays or be swapped with Tuesday's Without A Trace remains to be seen, but in this ratings environment those numbers look good. Grade: B+ Fringe (Fox) Premiered with 9 million viewers. Last week, 9.11 million viewers. This show had the most hype heading into the fall season, so the ratings have been a bit of a disappointment. Still, considering the implosion of Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles and some of Fox's other shows, 9 million+ viewers seems pretty good. Grade: B Knight Rider (NBC) Premiered with 7.3 million viewers. Last week, 7.23 million viewers. This lightweight show with apparent lightweight ratings wouldn't seem to be a keeper for NBC. But Knight Rider appeals strongly to the young male viewer, and that was good enough for a full-season pickup. Grade: C (NBC is owned by NBC Universal, which also owns SCIFI.COM.) Life on Mars (ABC) Premiered with 11.6 million viewers. Last week, 8.06 million viewers. This British transplant got a strong sampling when it premiered and managed to beat out CBS' Eleventh Hour in a head-to-head ratings smackdown. Since then, it's been losing viewers each week, which is always a bad sign. Between Eli Stone on Tuesdays, Dirty Sexy Money on Wednesdays and Life on Mars on Thursdays, ABC is having a tough time in the 10 p.m. hour. Grade: D My Own Worst Enemy (NBC) Premiered with 7.27 million viewers. Last week, 5.72 million viewers. Another troubled show, My Own Worst Enemy didn't appeal to viewers from the beginning, despite heavy promotion. Part
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] New Kevin Smith Movie Name Causing Problems?
Kevin says he originally had Rosario Dawson in mind for the role of Miri when he wrote the script. Imagine how crazy the controversy would be THEN! On Oct 29, 2008, at 9:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good point on that Sex Drive! -- Original message -- From: Martin Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Personally, despite being a Liberal Prude in Good Standing, I never had a problem with the original title. Still don't. And, if I may dare to ask, where were these Fine Upstanding Protestors when the movie Sexdrive came out? Martin (shaking head, going back to taking morning meds) -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] New Kevin Smith Movie Name Causing Problems? Date : Wed, 29 Oct 2008 04:42:20 + From : [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com While watching TV tonight, I saw a trailer for Kevin Smith's movie about a couple of folks (Seth Rogen, Elizabeth Banks) who start making adult films to pay the bills. It's not the kind of movie I'd pay to see at the theatre, so I've paid little attention to the trailers. But tonight, glancing at the commercial, I noticed something askew: the title seemed off. I wasn't sure, so waited until the commercial came up again later--both times, this was on Comedy Central--and sure enough, the name's changed on the commercials. Instead of the original Zack and Miri Make a Porno, it's now being billed as just Zack and Miri. At least, it is on Comedy Central. S earching the Web, I see some movie trailer sites listing it with the new shortened title, while other are keeping the old one. Curious, I did a Google search, and see that the porno part is indeed causing trouble in some quarters. The story below from a week ago gives some info on it. Interesting, but I guess the bigger! thing is--is it any good? *** Zack And Miri Make A Porno Banned http://www.cinemablend.com/new.php?id=10558 Stick figures may have been enough to get the marketing materials for Zack and Miri Make a Porno past the MPAA, but even rendering Seth Rogen and Elizabeth Banks in pencil isn�t enough for some people. According to the AP, Zack and Miri is running into trouble everywhere, as The Weinstein Company attempts to roll out its marketing campaign for the film, only to have their money turned down by newspapers, television, and t he owners of billboards and bus shelters. The problem is the title, which easily offended, puritanical consumers can�t stand to have in front of them. For example, Fox Sports dropped commercials for the film which aired during the Los Angeles Dodgers games after viewer complaints. The complaints are, as always, in the name of protecting children. Kids are asking their parents to explain what the word �porno� means, and parents would apparently, rather have their kids glean such information on the playground from their friends, or perhaps from a friendly neighborhood pedophile. Who can blame them? Nobody wants to actually talk to their kids. Zack and Miri Make a Porno�s title is its greatest asset. It�s an attention getter, and the title alone will get butts in seats. But it�s no surprise that it�s also stirring up controversy. As long as Weinstein Company refuses to cave and drop �porno� from the title, they�ll be fine. For every TV station which refuses to run an ad, there's another who will. People who have a problem with �porno� were never going to see the movie anyway, and any media outlet which refuses to run the film�s advertisements likely caters to exactly that sort of puritanical, never going to see it anyway, audience. I know, words are scary. This word however, may be the very thing which propels Kevin Smith to his first $30 million opening.
[scifinoir2] Re: How Did The Fall Scifi TV Shows Fare?
No rhyme or reason at all for her ratings and she's a bit biased. How does Sanctuary get an A for anything? I'm surprised Heroes is tanking this year. It's actually interesting despite some X-Men-ish family melodrama. Papa Petrelli is a far scarier bid bad than Adam was last year, Mohinder has actually turned into a credible old school science based villain and the Sylar revelations have been fun. If only Peter and Claire got rid of their terminal stupidity. Oh well. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, you know that I already lambasted Knight Rider, so am surprised it did well enough to be picked up. ( I swear the original was better). Valentine was on my hit list too, not at all surprised it's tanking. I haven't watched The Mentalist yet; guess I kept thinking of it as a serious version of Psych. But i've heard good things so will check it out if I get time. I'm surprised Eleventh Hour is doing as well. It's really just another procedural show with a mystery to solve, and starring a quirky lead doctor/scientist. It's like House on the road, or, a more grounded version of the out there science on Fringe, another solve-the- problem-of-the-week show with a quirky lead. Eleventh Hour is okay, but not a must see. I record it and watch Life on Mars instead. Life on Mars is at least entertaining so far. Not sure where it'll go. It's the kind of show that to me would realistically only stay fresh for one, possibly two, seasons. It has good actors, a good look, and actually decent plots. I'd give it a solid B, not sure where in the world they came up with a D rating. Ditto for My Own Worst Enemy. If I can quit worrying about the *why* of creating this split personality (for security I guess, but it's still a stretch), I can enjoy Slater as an actor. Still, you wonder who long the theme of each side recording messages to update the other side can last. A B- to me right now, again, due to good actors and at least interesting plots. But an F--what's the criterion this lady's using, her own tastes, or simply rating based on viewership? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] How Did The Fall TV Shows Fare? As the fall TV season hits its stride, the winners and losers have emerged, and it's a bloodbath out there. Ratings in general are horrible, and the major networks are still reeling from last year's writers' strike and a splintered viewership. Three series have already been pulled from the airwaves, including CBS' The Ex List. Herewith, the first of two SCI FI Wire assessments of how new and returning SFF shows made the grade, in descending order. Today, we look at the new shows. Tomorrow, returning series. (In the past if a TV series was on one of the four big broadcast networks, it needed to bring in 10 million viewers or so to prove it was worthy. For The CW, the number was lower, and 3 million viewers did the trick. Oh, how things have changed!) The Mentalist (CBS) Premiered with 15.55 million viewers. Last week, 15.29 million viewers. OK, he's a fake psychic, and it's not really science fiction, but we'll claim any show that does this well. It's the only certified hit for the new season, drawing great numbers against Fox's Fringe. Beyond that, it manages to keep 90 percent of its viewers from lead-in NCIS. That sounds like a match made in TV heaven. Grade: A+ Sanctuary (SCI FI) Premiered with 3 million viewers. Television's first mostly virtual series kicked off great, and it looks like a worthy successor to exiting SCI FI Friday shows Stargate Atlantis and Battlestar Galactica. Grade: A Eleventh Hour (CBS) Premiered with 11.59 million viewers. Last week, 12.16 million viewers. Not a hit, this show can't keep up with its lead-in C.S.I.'s big numbers. But it has built its audience and consistently does well against NBC's ER and ABC's Life on Mars. Whether or not the series will stay on Thursdays or be swapped with Tuesday's Without A Trace remains to be seen, but in this ratings environment those numbers look good. Grade: B+ Fringe (Fox) Premiered with 9 million viewers. Last week, 9.11 million viewers. This show had the most hype heading into the fall season, so the ratings have been a bit of a disappointment. Still, considering the implosion of Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles and some of Fox's other shows, 9 million+ viewers seems pretty good. Grade: B Knight Rider (NBC) Premiered with 7.3 million viewers. Last week, 7.23 million viewers. This lightweight show with apparent lightweight ratings wouldn't seem to be a keeper for NBC. But Knight Rider appeals strongly to the young male viewer, and that was good enough for a full-season pickup. Grade: C (NBC is owned by NBC Universal, which also owns SCIFI.COM.) Life on Mars (ABC) Premiered with 11.6 million viewers. Last week, 8.06 million viewers. This British
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: How Did The Fall Scifi TV Shows Fare?
I think you're getting it spot on. Heroes is the new X-Men. It has almost all the same flaws, but it also has sort of the same high points. One of the good and bad things about Heroes is that I do feel like I'm reading the series. I happen to like reading comics, so I'm good with the experience. but I wonder what it's like for folks who don't like to read comics because of the format and pacing. On Oct 29, 2008, at 9:22 AM, B. Smith wrote: No rhyme or reason at all for her ratings and she's a bit biased. How does Sanctuary get an A for anything? I'm surprised Heroes is tanking this year. It's actually interesting despite some X-Men-ish family melodrama. Papa Petrelli is a far scarier bid bad than Adam was last year, Mohinder has actually turned into a credible old school science based villain and the Sylar revelations have been fun. If only Peter and Claire got rid of their terminal stupidity. Oh well. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, you know that I already lambasted Knight Rider, so am surprised it did well enough to be picked up. ( I swear the original was better). Valentine was on my hit list too, not at all surprised it's tanking. I haven't watched The Mentalist yet; guess I kept thinking of it as a serious version of Psych. But i've heard good things so will check it out if I get time. I'm surprised Eleventh Hour is doing as well. It's really just another procedural show with a mystery to solve, and starring a quirky lead doctor/scientist. It's like House on the road, or, a more grounded version of the out there science on Fringe, another solve-the- problem-of-the-week show with a quirky lead. Eleventh Hour is okay, but not a must see. I record it and watch Life on Mars instead. Life on Mars is at least entertaining so far. Not sure where it'll go. It's the kind of show that to me would realistically only stay fresh for one, possibly two, seasons. It has good actors, a good look, and actually decent plots. I'd give it a solid B, not sure where in the world they came up with a D rating. Ditto for My Own Worst Enemy. If I can quit worrying about the *why* of creating this split personality (for security I guess, but it's still a stretch), I can enjoy Slater as an actor. Still, you wonder who long the theme of each side recording messages to update the other side can last. A B- to me right now, again, due to good actors and at least interesting plots. But an F--what's the criterion this lady's using, her own tastes, or simply rating based on viewership? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] How Did The Fall TV Shows Fare? As the fall TV season hits its stride, the winners and losers have emerged, and it's a bloodbath out there. Ratings in general are horrible, and the major networks are still reeling from last year's writers' strike and a splintered viewership. Three series have already been pulled from the airwaves, including CBS' The Ex List. Herewith, the first of two SCI FI Wire assessments of how new and returning SFF shows made the grade, in descending order. Today, we look at the new shows. Tomorrow, returning series. (In the past if a TV series was on one of the four big broadcast networks, it needed to bring in 10 million viewers or so to prove it was worthy. For The CW, the number was lower, and 3 million viewers did the trick. Oh, how things have changed!) The Mentalist (CBS) Premiered with 15.55 million viewers. Last week, 15.29 million viewers. OK, he's a fake psychic, and it's not really science fiction, but we'll claim any show that does this well. It's the only certified hit for the new season, drawing great numbers against Fox's Fringe. Beyond that, it manages to keep 90 percent of its viewers from lead-in NCIS. That sounds like a match made in TV heaven. Grade: A+ Sanctuary (SCI FI) Premiered with 3 million viewers. Television's first mostly virtual series kicked off great, and it looks like a worthy successor to exiting SCI FI Friday shows Stargate Atlantis and Battlestar Galactica. Grade: A Eleventh Hour (CBS) Premiered with 11.59 million viewers. Last week, 12.16 million viewers. Not a hit, this show can't keep up with its lead-in C.S.I.'s big numbers. But it has built its audience and consistently does well against NBC's ER and ABC's Life on Mars. Whether or not the series will stay on Thursdays or be swapped with Tuesday's Without A Trace remains to be seen, but in this ratings environment those numbers look good. Grade: B+ Fringe (Fox) Premiered with 9 million viewers. Last week, 9.11 million viewers. This show had the most hype heading into the fall season, so the ratings have been a bit of a disappointment. Still, considering the implosion of Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles and some of Fox's other shows, 9 million+ viewers seems pretty good. Grade: B Knight Rider (NBC) Premiered with 7.3 million viewers. Last week, 7.23 million viewers.
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Yeah, I left out Sanctuary. It's just an okay show. Last weeks--about the illusion-casting Yeti that was attacking the survivors of a plane wreck--was the best so far. Of course, they killed off the only Brother... But still, the show feels limited to me. One, i really hate the computer game CGI effects in the backgrounds of the Sanctuary. It's obvious when the people are working against a green screen where the effects will be added later. Who told SciFi that the theme of a CGI-heavy show on the Web--where it at least makes a certain kind of sense and has a novelty--is good for television, where we're used to better? Note those drab backgrounds. There's a lack of life and vitality that bothers me. Many videogames have a limited cast because of all the resources involved including them in the CGI scenes and such, and Sanctuary gives me that same limited film. If they can get out of the Sanctuary more often and interact with the real world, instead of hanging against that color-challenged fake one, I might like it more. -- Original message -- From: B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] No rhyme or reason at all for her ratings and she's a bit biased. How does Sanctuary get an A for anything? I'm surprised Heroes is tanking this year. It's actually interesting despite some X-Men-ish family melodrama. Papa Petrelli is a far scarier bid bad than Adam was last year, Mohinder has actually turned into a credible old school science based villain and the Sylar revelations have been fun. If only Peter and Claire got rid of their terminal stupidity. Oh well. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, you know that I already lambasted Knight Rider, so am surprised it did well enough to be picked up. ( I swear the original was better). Valentine was on my hit list too, not at all surprised it's tanking. I haven't watched The Mentalist yet; guess I kept thinking of it as a serious version of Psych. But i've heard good things so will check it out if I get time. I'm surprised Eleventh Hour is doing as well. It's really just another procedural show with a mystery to solve, and starring a quirky lead doctor/scientist. It's like House on the road, or, a more grounded version of the out there science on Fringe, another solve-the- problem-of-the-week show with a quirky lead. Eleventh Hour is okay, but not a must see. I record it and watch Life on Mars instead. Life on Mars is at least entertaining so far. Not sure where it'll go. It's the kind of show that to me would realistically only stay fresh for one, possibly two, seasons. It has good actors, a good look, and actually decent plots. I'd give it a solid B, not sure where in the world they came up with a D rating. Ditto for My Own Worst Enemy. If I can quit worrying about the *why* of creating this split personality (for security I guess, but it's still a stretch), I can enjoy Slater as an actor. Still, you wonder who long the theme of each side recording messages to update the other side can last. A B- to me right now, again, due to good actors and at least interesting plots. But an F--what's the criterion this lady's using, her own tastes, or simply rating based on viewership? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] How Did The Fall TV Shows Fare? As the fall TV season hits its stride, the winners and losers have emerged, and it's a bloodbath out there. Ratings in general are horrible, and the major networks are still reeling from last year's writers' strike and a splintered viewership. Three series have already been pulled from the airwaves, including CBS' The Ex List. Herewith, the first of two SCI FI Wire assessments of how new and returning SFF shows made the grade, in descending order. Today, we look at the new shows. Tomorrow, returning series. (In the past if a TV series was on one of the four big broadcast networks, it needed to bring in 10 million viewers or so to prove it was worthy. For The CW, the number was lower, and 3 million viewers did the trick. Oh, how things have changed!) The Mentalist (CBS) Premiered with 15.55 million viewers. Last week, 15.29 million viewers. OK, he's a fake psychic, and it's not really science fiction, but we'll claim any show that does this well. It's the only certified hit for the new season, drawing great numbers against Fox's Fringe. Beyond that, it manages to keep 90 percent of its viewers from lead-in NCIS. That sounds like a match made in TV heaven. Grade: A+ Sanctuary (SCI FI) Premiered with 3 million viewers. Television's first mostly virtual series kicked off great, and it looks like a worthy successor to exiting SCI FI Friday shows Stargate Atlantis and Battlestar Galactica. Grade: A Eleventh Hour (CBS) Premiered with 11.59 million viewers. Last week, 12.16 million viewers. Not a hit, this show can't keep up with its lead-in
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I think the real failing of this show is the flatness of the characters. I don't like or care about any of them. By three or four episodes, the characters should have some depth. The only show on TV with flatter characters is the Terminator: The Sarah Conner Chronicles. I keep watching both in hopes that they would get better but they don't. Bosco --- On Wed, 10/29/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: How Did The Fall Scifi TV Shows Fare? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 9:05 AM Yeah, I left out Sanctuary. It's just an okay show. Last weeks--about the illusion-casting Yeti that was attacking the survivors of a plane wreck--was the best so far. Of course, they killed off the only Brother... But still, the show feels limited to me. One, i really hate the computer game CGI effects in the backgrounds of the Sanctuary. It's obvious when the people are working against a green screen where the effects will be added later. Who told SciFi that the theme of a CGI-heavy show on the Web--where it at least makes a certain kind of sense and has a novelty--is good for television, where we're used to better? Note those drab backgrounds. There's a lack of life and vitality that bothers me. Many videogames have a limited cast because of all the resources involved including them in the CGI scenes and such, and Sanctuary gives me that same limited film. If they can get out of the Sanctuary more often and interact with the real world, instead of hanging against that color-challenged fake one, I might like it more. -- Original message -- From: B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] com No rhyme or reason at all for her ratings and she's a bit biased. How does Sanctuary get an A for anything? I'm surprised Heroes is tanking this year. It's actually interesting despite some X-Men-ish family melodrama. Papa Petrelli is a far scarier bid bad than Adam was last year, Mohinder has actually turned into a credible old school science based villain and the Sylar revelations have been fun. If only Peter and Claire got rid of their terminal stupidity. Oh well. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, KeithBJohnson@ ... wrote: Well, you know that I already lambasted Knight Rider, so am surprised it did well enough to be picked up. ( I swear the original was better). Valentine was on my hit list too, not at all surprised it's tanking. I haven't watched The Mentalist yet; guess I kept thinking of it as a serious version of Psych. But i've heard BRgood things so will check it out if I get time. I'm surprised Eleventh Hour is doing as well. It's really just another procedural show with a mystery to solve, and starring a quirky lead doctor/scientist. It's like House on the road, or, a more grounded version of the out there science on Fringe, another solve-the- problem-of-the- week show with a quirky lead. Eleventh Hour is okay, but not a must see. I record it and watch Life on Mars instead. Life on Mars is at least entertaining so far. Not sure where it'll go. It's the kind of show that to me would realistically only stay fresh for one, possibly two, seasons. It has good actors, a good look, and actually decent plots. I'd give it a solid B, not sure where in the world they came up with a D rating. Ditto for My Own Worst Enemy. If I can quit worrying about the *why* of creating this split personality (for security I guess, but it's still a s tretch), I can enjoy Slater as an actor. Still, you wonder who long the theme of each side recording messages to update the other side can last. A B- to me right now, again, due to good actors and at least interesting plots. But an F--what's the criterion this lady's using, her own tastes, or simply rating based on viewership? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] How Did The Fall TV Shows Fare? As the fall TV season hits its stride, the winners and losers have emerged, and it's a bloodbath out there. Ratings in general are horrible, and the major networks are still reeling from last year's writers' strike and a splintered viewership. Three series have already been pulled from the airwaves, including CBS' The Ex List. Herewith, the first of two SCI FI Wire assessments of how new and returning SFF shows made the grade, in descending order. Today, we look at the new shows. Tomorrow, returning series. (In the past if a TV series was on one of the four big broadcast networks, it needed to bring in 10 million viewers or so to prove it was worthy. For The CW, the number was lower, and 3 million viewers did the trick. Oh, how things have changed!) The Mentalist (CBS) Premiered with 15.55 million viewers. Last week, 15.29 million viewers. OK, he's a fake psychic, and it's not really science fiction, but we'll claim
[scifinoir2] What If We Could Do This In Real Life
I've never been one for conventions and other fan gatherings. It's just not my cup of tea. I went to the last Harry Potter book release with my kids simply because we'd never been and there would never be another. In 2009, the SFWA is hosting the Nebula Awards in Austin, where I live. I don't know if I will go or not. It could be fun but perhaps a gigantic kook filled bore might be possible as well. That got me to thinking though, wouldn't it be much much cooler to go to a real life gathering of the Scifinoir List? I know it's not very feasible or likely but I had to share the idea. Bosco
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Indeed! -- Original message -- From: Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kevin says he originally had Rosario Dawson in mind for the role of Miri when he wrote the script. Imagine how crazy the controversy would be THEN! On Oct 29, 2008, at 9:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good point on that Sex Drive! -- Original message -- From: Martin Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Personally, despite being a Liberal Prude in Good Standing, I never had a problem with the original title. Still don't. And, if I may dare to ask, where were these Fine Upstanding Protestors when the movie Sexdrive came out? Martin (shaking head, going back to taking morning meds) -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] New Kevin Smith Movie Name Causing Problems? Date : Wed, 29 Oct 2008 04:42:20 + From : [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com While watching TV tonight, I saw a trailer for Kevin Smith's movie about a couple of folks (Seth Rogen, Elizabeth Banks) who start making adult films to pay the bills. It's not the kind of movie I'd pay to see at the theatre, so I've paid little attention to the trailers. But tonight, glancing at the commercial, I noticed something askew: the title seemed off. I wasn't sure, so waited until the commercial came up again later--both times, this was on Comedy Central--and sure enough, the name's changed on the commercials. Instead of the original Zack and Miri Make a Porno, it's now being billed as just Zack and Miri. At least, it is on Comedy Central. S earching the Web, I see some movie trailer sites listing it with the new shortened title, while other are keeping the old one. Curious, I did a Google search, and see that the porno part is indeed causing trouble in some quarters. The story below from a week ago gives some info on it. Interesting, but I guess the bigger! thing is--is it any good? *** Zack And Miri Make A Porno Banned http://www.cinemablend.com/new.php?id=10558 Stick figures may have been enough to get the marketing materials for Zack and Miri Make a Porno past the MPAA, but even rendering Seth Rogen and Elizabeth Banks in pencil isn�t enough for some people. According to the AP, Zack and Miri is running into trouble everywhere, as The Weinstein Company attempts to roll out its marketing campaign for the film, only to have their money turned down by newspapers, television, and t he owners of billboards and bus shelters. The problem is the title, which easily offended, puritanical consumers can�t stand to have in front of them. For example, Fox Sports dropped commercials for the film which aired during the Los Angeles Dodgers games after viewer complaints. The complaints are, as always, in the name of protecting children. Kids are asking their parents to explain what the word �porno� means, and parents would apparently, rather have their kids glean such information on the playground from their friends, or perhaps from a friendly neighborhood pedophile. Who can blame them? Nobody wants to actually talk to their kids. Zack and Miri Make a Porno�s title is its greatest asset. It�s an attention getter, and the title alone will get butts in seats. But it�s no surprise that it�s also stirring up controversy. As long as Weinstein Company refuses to cave and drop �porno� from the title, they�ll be fine. For every TV station which refuses to run an ad, there's another who will. People who have a problem with �porno� were never going to see the movie anyway, and any media outlet which refuses to run the film�s advertisements likely caters to exactly that sort of puritanical, never going to see it anyway, audience. I know, words are scary. This word however, may be the very thing which propels Kevin Smith to his first $30 million opening.
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: How Did The Fall Scifi TV Shows Fare?
You're right. The characters are as dull and lifeless as the CGI. Amada Tapping's British accent is distracting, the young pscyhoanalyst dude is like an even more nebbish version of Daniel Jackson. With Michael Shanks, at least, you could always tell the actor was being held back to play down to Daniel's role of bespectacled nerd, but the guy in Sanctuary is just boring. The most enjoyable character is Tapping's butt-kicking daughter, and she's nothing spectacular. She's just the only one with any *life* to her. Why don't you like the characters on Sarah Conner Chronicles? -- Original message -- From: Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think the real failing of this show is the flatness of the characters. I don't like or care about any of them. By three or four episodes, the characters should have some depth. The only show on TV with flatter characters is the Terminator: The Sarah Conner Chronicles. I keep watching both in hopes that they would get better but they don't. Bosco --- On Wed, 10/29/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: How Did The Fall Scifi TV Shows Fare? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 9:05 AM Yeah, I left out Sanctuary. It's just an okay show. Last weeks--about the illusion-casting Yeti that was attacking the survivors of a plane wreck--was the best so far. Of course, they killed off the only Brother... But still, the show feels limited to me. One, i really hate the computer game CGI effects in the backgrounds of the Sanctuary. It's obvious when the people are working against a green screen where the effects will be added later. Who told SciFi that the theme of a CGI-heavy show on the Web--where it at least makes a certain kind of sense and has a novelty--is good for television, where we're used to better? Note those drab backgrounds. There's a lack of life and vitality that bothers me. Many videogames have a limited cast because of all the resources involved including them in the CGI scenes and such, and Sanctuary gives me that same limited film. If they can get out of the Sanctuary more often and interact with the real world, instead of hanging against that color-challenged fake one, I might like it more. -- Original message -- From: B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] com No rhyme or reason at all for her ratings and she's a bit biased. How does Sanctuary get an A for anything? I'm surprised Heroes is tanking this year. It's actually interesting despite some X-Men-ish family melodrama. Papa Petrelli is a far scarier bid bad than Adam was last year, Mohinder has actually turned into a credible old school science based villain and the Sylar revelations have been fun. If only Peter and Claire got rid of their terminal stupidity. Oh well. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, KeithBJohnson@ ... wrote: Well, you know that I already lambasted Knight Rider, so am surprised it did well enough to be picked up. ( I swear the original was better). Valentine was on my hit list too, not at all surprised it's tanking. I haven't watched The Mentalist yet; guess I kept thinking of it as a serious version of Psych. But i've heard BRgood things so will check it out if I get time. I'm surprised Eleventh Hour is doing as well. It's really just another procedural show with a mystery to solve, and starring a quirky lead doctor/scientist. It's like House on the road, or, a more grounded version of the out there science on Fringe, another solve-the- problem-of-the- week show with a quirky lead. Eleventh Hour is okay, but not a must see. I record it and watch Life on Mars instead. Life on Mars is at least entertaining so far. Not sure where it'll go. It's the kind of show that to me would realistically only stay fresh for one, possibly two, seasons. It has good actors, a good look, and actually decent plots. I'd give it a solid B, not sure where in the world they came up with a D rating. Ditto for My Own Worst Enemy. If I can quit worrying about the *why* of creating this split personality (for security I guess, but it's still a s tretch), I can enjoy Slater as an actor. Still, you wonder who long the theme of each side recording messages to update the other side can last. A B- to me right now, again, due to good actors and at least interesting plots. But an F--what's the criterion this lady's using, her own tastes, or simply rating based on viewership? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] How Did The Fall TV Shows Fare? As the fall TV season hits its stride, the winners and losers have emerged, and it's a bloodbath out there. Ratings in general are horrible, and the major networks are still reeling from last year's writers' strike and a splintered viewership. Three series have already been pulled from the airwaves,
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It's not that I don't like the characters on Sarah Conner, it's just that they're one dimensional most of the time. There is so much possibility for these characters and primarily the writers do very little with them. There's so much room for emotional range and humor in that show and they tend to only focus on a small handful of emotions. Summer Glau is dangerously underdeveloped in that role. However, I do keep watching and hoping. It's not terrible, but it's certainly not what it could be either. Bosco --- On Wed, 10/29/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: How Did The Fall Scifi TV Shows Fare? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 9:38 AM You're right. The characters are as dull and lifeless as the CGI. Amada Tapping's British accent is distracting, the young pscyhoanalyst dude is like an even more nebbish version of Daniel Jackson. With Michael Shanks, at least, you could always tell the actor was being held back to play down to Daniel's role of bespectacled nerd, but the guy in Sanctuary is just boring. The most enjoyable character is Tapping's butt-kicking daughter, and she's nothing spectacular. She's just the only one with any *life* to her. Why don't you like the characters on Sarah Conner Chronicles? -- Original message -- From: Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] com I think the real failing of this show is the flatness of the characters. I don't like or care about any of them. By three or four episodes, the characters should have some depth. The only show on TV with flatter characters is the Terminator: The Sarah Conner Chronicles. I keep watching both in hopes that they would get better but they don't. Bosco --- On Wed, 10/29/08, KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net wrote: From: KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: How Did The Fall Scifi TV Shows Fare? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 9:05 AM Yeah, I left out Sanctuary. It's just an okay show. Last weeks--about the illusion-casting Yeti that was attacking the survivors of a plane wreck--was the best so far. Of course, they killed off the only Brother... But still, the show feels limited to me. One, i really hate the computer game CGI effects in the backgrounds of the Sanctuary. It's obvious when the people are working against a green screen where the effects will be added later. Who told SciFi that the theme of a CGI-heavy show on the Web--where it at least makes a certain kind of sense and has a novelty--is good for television, where we're used to better? Note those drab backgrounds. There's a lack of life and vitality that bothers me. Many videogames have a limited cast because of all the resources involved including them in the CGI scenes and such, and Sanctuary gives me that same limited film. If they can get out of the Sanctuary more often and interact with the real world, instead of hanging against that color-challenged fake one, I might like it more. -- Original message -- From: B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] com No rhyme or reason at all for her ratings and she's a bit biased. How does Sanctuary get an A for anything? I'm surprised Heroes is tanking this year. It's actually interesting despite some X-Men-ish family melodrama. Papa Petrelli is a far scarier bid bad than Adam was last year, Mohinder has actually turned into a credible old school science based villain and the Sylar revelations have been fun. If only Peter and Claire got rid of their terminal stupidity. Oh well. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, KeithBJohnson@ ... wrote: Well, you know that I already lambasted Knight Rider, so am surprised it did well enough to be picked up. ( I swear the original was better). Valentine was on my hit list too, not at all surprised it's tanking. I haven't watched The Mentalist yet; guess I kept thinking of it as a serious version of Psych . But i've heard BRgood things so will check it out if I get time. I'm surprised Eleventh Hour is doing as well. It's really just another procedural show with a mystery to solve, and starring a quirky lead doctor/scientist. It's like House on the road, or, a more grounded version of the out there science on Fringe, another solve-the- problem-of-the- week show with a quirky lead. Eleventh Hour is okay, but not a must see. I record it and watch Life on Mars instead. Life on Mars is at least entertaining so far. Not sure where it'll go. It's the kind of show that to me would realistically only stay fresh for one, possibly two, seasons. It has good actors, a good look, and actually decent plots. I'd give it a solid B, not sure where in the world they came up with a D rating. Ditto for My Own Worst Enemy. If I can quit worrying about the *why* of creating
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Bosco, into that, this. This is Fox of which we speak. Good material tends to slip by them. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: How Did The Fall Scifi TV Shows Fare? Date : Wed, 29 Oct 2008 07:52:14 -0700 (PDT) From : Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com It's not that I don't like the characters on Sarah Conner, it's just that they're one dimensional most of the time. There is so much possibility for these characters and primarily the writers do very little with them. There's so much room for emotional range and humor in that show and they tend to only focus on a small handful of emotions. Summer Glau is dangerously underdeveloped in that role. However, I do keep watching and hoping. It's not terrible, but it's certainly not what it could be either. Bosco --- On Wed, 10/29/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: How Did The Fall Scifi TV Shows Fare? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 9:38 AM You're right. The characters are as dull and lifeless as the CGI. Amada Tapping's British accent is distracting, the young pscyhoanalyst dude is like an even more nebbish version of Daniel Jackson. With Michael Shanks, at least, you could always tell the actor was being held back to play down to Daniel's role of bespectacled nerd, but the guy in Sanctuary is just boring. The most enjoyable character is Tapping's butt-kicking daughter, and she's nothing spectacular. She's just the only one with any *life* to her. Why don't you like the characters on Sarah Conner Chronicles? -- Original message -- From: Bosco Bosco I think the real failing of this show is the flatness of the characters. I don't like or care about any of them. By three or four episodes, the characters should have some depth. The only show on TV with flatter characters is the Terminator: The Sarah Conner Chronicles. I keep watching both in hopes that they would get better but they don't. Bosco --- On Wed, 10/29/08, KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net wrote: From: KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: How Did The Fall Scifi TV Shows Fare? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 9:05 AM Yeah, I left out Sanctuary. It's just an okay show. Last weeks--about the illusion-casting Yeti that was attacking the survivors of a plane wreck--was the best so far. Of course, they killed off the only Brother... But still, the show feels limited to me. One, i really hate the computer game CGI effects in the backgrounds of the Sanctuary. It's obvious when the people are working against a green screen where the effects will be added later. Who told SciFi that the theme of a CGI-heavy show on the Web--where it at least makes a certain kind of sense and has a novelty--is good for television, where we're used to better? Note those drab backgrounds. There's a lack of life and vitality that bothers me. Many videogames have a limited cast because of all the resources involved including them in the CGI scenes and such, and Sanctuary gives me that same limited film. If they can get out of the Sanctuary more often and interact with the real world, instead of hanging against that color-challenged fake one, I might like it more. -- Original message -- From: B. Smith No rhyme or reason at all for her ratings and she's a bit biased. How does Sanctuary get an A for anything? I'm surprised Heroes is tanking this year. It's actually interesting despite some X-Men-ish family melodrama. Papa Petrelli is a far scarier bid bad than Adam was last year, Mohinder has actually turned into a credible old school science based villain and the Sylar revelations have been fun. If only Peter and Claire got rid of their terminal stupidity. Oh well. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, KeithBJohnson@ ... wrote: Well, you know that I already lambasted Knight Rider, so am surprised it did well enough to be picked up. ( I swear the original was better). Valentine was on my hit list too, not at all surprised it's tanking. I haven't watched The Mentalist yet; guess I kept thinking of it as a serious version of Psych . But i've heard BRgood things so will check it out if I get time. I'm surprised Eleventh Hour is doing as well. It's really just another procedural show with a mystery to solve, and starring a quirky lead doctor/scientist. It's like House on the road, or, a more grounded version of the out there science on Fringe, another solve-the- problem-of-the- week show with a quirky lead. Eleventh Hour is okay, but not a must see. I record it and watch Life on Mars instead. Life on Mars is at least entertaining so far. Not sure where it'll go. It's the kind of show that to me would realistically only stay fresh for one, possibly two, seasons. It has good actors, a good
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That's a tune I could swing with... -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] What If We Could Do This In Real Life Date : Wed, 29 Oct 2008 07:26:23 -0700 (PDT) From : Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I've never been one for conventions and other fan gatherings. It's just not my cup of tea. I went to the last Harry Potter book release with my kids simply because we'd never been and there would never be another. In 2009, the SFWA is hosting the Nebula Awards in Austin, where I live. I don't know if I will go or not. It could be fun but perhaps a gigantic kook filled bore might be possible as well. That got me to thinking though, wouldn't it be much much cooler to go to a real life gathering of the Scifinoir List? I know it's not very feasible or likely but I had to share the idea. Bosco
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Daryle, it's wanna-be neo-fantasy tripe, about a woman who goes to a psychic to see if she'll even meet Mr Right. Said psychic tells her that she's already met and dumped him, and she goes back through her past love life to find him. CBS, Fridays at nine, if self-abuse is an in-thing for you. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] How Did The Fall Scifi TV Shows Fare? Date : Wed, 29 Oct 2008 09:31:00 -0400 From : Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com What in the world is The Ex List? I watched The Mentalist last night online. I like it! It's a nice fill-in for Monk. I decided that I like the geeky CBS shows (Numbers, Criminal Minds, CSI, etc), so Mentalist will remain in my Hulu (excuse me, my CBS online) queue. But as for the rest of these new shows...I doubt that I will watch them at all. I give shows the same chance give music today -- if you don't get me in the first few bars, I'm out. I will watch the BBC originals when they air. I don't think I'm alone in discovering old shows and watching them in completion for the first time. I think most people hate new TV. I'm also the crazy guy who thinks this is an opportunity for Sci-Fi. Grant Morrison recently said that now is a god time for comic writers to go nuts...and I totally agree. I think that independent online media, indie comics, and good ol' fashioned books are about to be the new underground. I think network TV has decided to take it entirely too safe, which is probably why the CBS shows are working for me. If I'm gonna go with safe, ya gotta go with the KINGS of safe. I vote no confidence in Network TV programming. On Oct 29, 2008, at 9:09 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, you know that I already lambasted Knight Rider, so am surprised it did well enough to be picked up. ( I swear the original was better). Valentine was on my hit list too, not at all surprised it's tanking. I haven't watched The Mentalist yet; guess I kept thinking of it as a serious version of Psych. But i've heard good things so will check it out if I get time. I'm surprised Eleventh Hour is doing as well. It's really just another procedural show with a mystery to solve, and starring a quirky lead doctor/scientist. It's like House on the road, or, a more grounded version of the out there science on Fringe, another solve-the-problem-of-the-week show with a quirky lead. Eleventh Hour is okay, but not a must see. I record it and watch Life on Mars instead. Life on Mars is at least entertaining so far. Not sure where it'll go. It's the kind of show that to me would realistically only stay fresh for one, possibly two, seasons. It has good actors, a good look, and actually decent plots. I'd give it a solid B, not sure where in the world they came up with a D rating. Ditto for My Own Worst Enemy. If I can quit worrying about the *why* of creating this split personality (for security I guess, but it's still a stretch), I can enjoy Slater as an actor. Still, you wonder who long the theme of each side recording messages to update the other side can last. A B- to me right now, again, due to good actors and at least interesting plots. But an F--what's the criterion this lady's using, her own tastes, or simply rating based on viewership? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella How Did The Fall TV Shows Fare? As the fall TV season hits its stride, the winners and losers have emerged, and it's a bloodbath out there. Ratings in general are horrible, and the major networks are still reeling from last year's writers' strike and a splintered viewership. Three series have already been pulled from the airwaves, including CBS' The Ex List. Herewith, the first of two SCI FI Wire assessments of how new and returning SFamp;F shows made the grade, in descending order. Today, we look at the new shows. Tomorrow, returning series. (In the past if a TV series was on one of the four big broadcast networks, it needed to bring in 10 million viewers or so to prove it was worthy. For The CW, the number was lower, and 3 million viewers did the trick. Oh, how things have changed!) The Mentalist (CBS) Premiered with 15.55 million viewers. Last week, 15.29 million viewers /I. OK, he's a fake psychic, and it's not really science fiction, but we'll claim any show that does this well. It's the only certified hit for the new season, drawing great numbers against Fox's Fringe. Beyond that, it manages to keep 90 percent of its viewers from lead-in NCIS. That sounds like a match made in TV heaven. Grade: A+ Sanctuary (SCI FI) Premiered with 3 million viewers. Television's first mostly virtual series kicked off great, and it looks like a worthy successor to exiting SCI FI Friday shows Stargate Atlantis and Battlestar Galactica. Grade: A Eleventh Hour (CBS) Premiered with 11.59 million
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I think they are not rating by quality, but by ratings and which shows retain their lead in audience, which points to survivability. That being said, not of the shows is good like Battlestar, Odyssey five or Babylon 5 From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 5:25 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] How Did The Fall Scifi TV Shows Fare? Okay... After readign tha, one of two things apply. Either I'm brain-dead as a viewer, or these guys know *nothing* about TV, because the *only* show of those listed I'm watching is My Own Worst Enemy (which has begun growing on me slowly). The rest of that crap, I make it a point to have my TV *elsewhere* when they're on. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] How Did The Fall Scifi TV Shows Fare? Date : Tue, 28 Oct 2008 21:45:49 -0700 From : Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, 'Cinque' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Glenn Sigler' [EMAIL PROTECTED] How Did The Fall TV Shows Fare? As the fall TV season hits its stride, the winners and losers have emerged, and it's a bloodbath out there. Ratings in general are horrible, and the major networks are still reeling from last year's writers' strike and a splintered viewership. Three series have already been pulled from the airwaves, including CBS' The Ex List. Herewith, the first of two SCI FI Wire assessments of how new and returning SFF shows made the grade, in descending order. Today, we look at the new shows. Tomorrow, returning series. (In the past if a TV series was on one of the four big broadcast networks, it needed to bring in 10 million viewers or so to prove it was worthy. For The CW, the number was lower, and 3 million viewers did the trick. Oh, how things have changed!) The Mentalist (CBS) Premiered with 15.55 million viewers. Last week, 15.29 million viewers. OK, he's a fake psychic, and it's not really science fiction, but we'll claim any show that does this well. It's the only certified hit for the new season, drawing great numbers against Fox's Fringe. Beyond that, it manages to keep 90 percent of its viewers from lead-in NCIS. That sounds like a match made in TV heaven. Grade: A+ Sanctuary (SCI FI) Premiered with 3 million viewers. Television's first mostly virtual series kicked off great, and it looks like a worthy successor to exiting SCI FI Friday shows Stargate Atlantis and Battlestar Galactica. Grade: A Eleventh Hour (CBS) Premiered with 11.59 million viewers. Last week, 12.16 million viewers. Not a hit, this show can't keep up with its lead-in C.S.I.'s big numbers. But it has built its audience and consistently does well against NBC's ER and ABC's Life on Mars. Whether or not the series will stay on Thursdays or be swapped with Tuesday's Without A Trace remains to be seen, but in this ratings environment those numbers look good. Grade: B+ Fringe (Fox) Premiered with 9 million viewers. Last week, 9.11 million viewers. This show had the most hype heading into the fall season, so the ratings have been a bit of a disappointment. Still, considering the implosion of Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles and some of Fox's other shows, 9 million+ viewers seems pretty good. Grade: B Knight Rider (NBC) Premiered with 7.3 million viewers. Last week, 7.23 million viewers. This lightweight show with apparent lightweight ratings wouldn't seem to be a keeper for NBC. But Knight Rider appeals strongly to the young male viewer, and that was good enough for a full-season pickup. Grade: C (NBC is owned by NBC Universal, which also owns SCIFI.COM.) Life on Mars (ABC) Premiered with 11.6 million viewers. Last week, 8.06 million viewers. This British transplant got a strong sampling when it premiered and managed to beat out CBS' Eleventh Hour in a head-to-head ratings smackdown. Since then, it's been losing viewers each week, which is always a bad sign. Between Eli Stone on Tuesdays, Dirty Sexy Money on Wednesdays and Life on Mars on Thursdays, ABC is having a tough time in the 10 p.m. hour. Grade: D My Own Worst Enemy (NBC) Premiered with 7.27 million viewers. Last week, 5.72 million viewers. Another troubled show, My Own Worst Enemy didn't appeal to viewers from the beginning, despite heavy promotion. Part of the problem has to do with lead-in Heroes' anemic numbers this season, but Enemy loses viewers by the half-hour mark, and that's a bad, bad sign. It's possible NBC will try Enemy in another slot and bring its reliable Medium, which is waiting in the wings, back where it belongs on Mondays. Grade: D- Valentine (The CW) Premiered with 1.1 million viewers. Last week, 846,000 viewers. The CW took a risk by turning over its Sunday nights to Media Rights Capital, which produced three new series. Unfortunately, the experiment failed, and the shows tanked across the board.
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Speaking of BBC, what do you think of Primeval? From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daryle Lockhart Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 6:31 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] How Did The Fall Scifi TV Shows Fare? What in the world is The Ex List? I watched The Mentalist last night online. I like it! It's a nice fill-in for Monk. I decided that I like the geeky CBS shows (Numbers, Criminal Minds, CSI, etc), so Mentalist will remain in my Hulu (excuse me, my CBS online) queue. But as for the rest of these new shows...I doubt that I will watch them at all. I give shows the same chance give music today -- if you don't get me in the first few bars, I'm out. I will watch the BBC originals when they air. I don't think I'm alone in discovering old shows and watching them in completion for the first time. I think most people hate new TV. I'm also the crazy guy who thinks this is an opportunity for Sci-Fi. Grant Morrison recently said that now is a god time for comic writers to go nuts...and I totally agree. I think that independent online media, indie comics, and good ol' fashioned books are about to be the new underground. I think network TV has decided to take it entirely too safe, which is probably why the CBS shows are working for me. If I'm gonna go with safe, ya gotta go with the KINGS of safe. I vote no confidence in Network TV programming. On Oct 29, 2008, at 9:09 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, you know that I already lambasted Knight Rider, so am surprised it did well enough to be picked up. ( I swear the original was better). Valentine was on my hit list too, not at all surprised it's tanking. I haven't watched The Mentalist yet; guess I kept thinking of it as a serious version of Psych. But i've heard good things so will check it out if I get time. I'm surprised Eleventh Hour is doing as well. It's really just another procedural show with a mystery to solve, and starring a quirky lead doctor/scientist. It's like House on the road, or, a more grounded version of the out there science on Fringe, another solve-the-problem-of-the-week show with a quirky lead. Eleventh Hour is okay, but not a must see. I record it and watch Life on Mars instead. Life on Mars is at least entertaining so far. Not sure where it'll go. It's the kind of show that to me would realistically only stay fresh for one, possibly two, seasons. It has good actors, a good look, and actually decent plots. I'd give it a solid B, not sure where in the world they came up with a D rating. Ditto for My Own Worst Enemy. If I can quit worrying about the *why* of creating this split personality (for security I guess, but it's still a stretch), I can enjoy Slater as an actor. Still, you wonder who long the theme of each side recording messages to update the other side can last. A B- to me right now, again, due to good actors and at least interesting plots. But an F--what's the criterion this lady's using, her own tastes, or simply rating based on viewership? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] How Did The Fall TV Shows Fare? As the fall TV season hits its stride, the winners and losers have emerged, and it's a bloodbath out there. Ratings in general are horrible, and the major networks are still reeling from last year's writers' strike and a splintered viewership. Three series have already been pulled from the airwaves, including CBS' The Ex List. Herewith, the first of two SCI FI Wire assessments of how new and returning SFF shows made the grade, in descending order. Today, we look at the new shows. Tomorrow, returning series. (In the past if a TV series was on one of the four big broadcast networks, it needed to bring in 10 million viewers or so to prove it was worthy. For The CW, the number was lower, and 3 million viewers did the trick. Oh, how things have changed!) The Mentalist (CBS) Premiered with 15.55 million viewers. Last week, 15.29 million viewers /I. OK, he's a fake psychic, and it's not really science fiction, but we'll claim any show that does this well. It's the only certified hit for the new season, drawing great numbers against Fox's Fringe. Beyond that, it manages to keep 90 percent of its viewers from lead-in NCIS. That sounds like a match made in TV heaven. Grade: A+ http://www.scifi.com/sanctuary/ Sanctuary (SCI FI) Premiered with 3 million viewers. Television's first mostly virtual series kicked off great, and it looks like a worthy successor to exiting SCI FI Friday shows Stargate Atlantis http://www.scifi.com/atlantis/ and Battlestar Galactica http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/ . Grade: A Eleventh Hour (CBS) Premiered with 11.59 million viewers. Last week, 12.16 million viewers. Not a hit, this show can't keep up with its lead-in C.S.I.'s big numbers. But it has built its audience and consistently does well against NBC'sER and ABC's Life on
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: How Did The Fall Scifi TV Shows Fare?
I agree with you regarding Heroes. I love this year's villain. Robert Forrester is such an underappreciated actor. I hope his performance on Heroes changes that. The changes to Sylar and Mohinder are wonderful. I loved tortured good guys In fact, Quinto played such a good Sylar, that I was having trouble seeing him as Spock. Now, I am better able to separate him as playing two characters. Regarding Peter and Clair, as the Hiro to the stupidity list. I think the ratings are down because of sustained loss of momentum a full year. After a first season in which most viewers were kept happy with what was done overall with the characters and storyline, there was a BIG second season let down that caused and actual backlash. While I am enjoying this season, I do not see myself ever becoming as dedicated a fan as I was in first season. I wonder if fans, myself included, have an unconscious bias against it as a result of them presenting us with such an abysmal second season, following such a promising first season -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of B. Smith Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 6:23 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: How Did The Fall Scifi TV Shows Fare? No rhyme or reason at all for her ratings and she's a bit biased. How does Sanctuary get an A for anything? I'm surprised Heroes is tanking this year. It's actually interesting despite some X-Men-ish family melodrama. Papa Petrelli is a far scarier bid bad than Adam was last year, Mohinder has actually turned into a credible old school science based villain and the Sylar revelations have been fun. If only Peter and Claire got rid of their terminal stupidity. Oh well. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, you know that I already lambasted Knight Rider, so am surprised it did well enough to be picked up. ( I swear the original was better). Valentine was on my hit list too, not at all surprised it's tanking. I haven't watched The Mentalist yet; guess I kept thinking of it as a serious version of Psych. But i've heard good things so will check it out if I get time. I'm surprised Eleventh Hour is doing as well. It's really just another procedural show with a mystery to solve, and starring a quirky lead doctor/scientist. It's like House on the road, or, a more grounded version of the out there science on Fringe, another solve-the- problem-of-the-week show with a quirky lead. Eleventh Hour is okay, but not a must see. I record it and watch Life on Mars instead. Life on Mars is at least entertaining so far. Not sure where it'll go. It's the kind of show that to me would realistically only stay fresh for one, possibly two, seasons. It has good actors, a good look, and actually decent plots. I'd give it a solid B, not sure where in the world they came up with a D rating. Ditto for My Own Worst Enemy. If I can quit worrying about the *why* of creating this split personality (for security I guess, but it's still a stretch), I can enjoy Slater as an actor. Still, you wonder who long the theme of each side recording messages to update the other side can last. A B- to me right now, again, due to good actors and at least interesting plots. But an F--what's the criterion this lady's using, her own tastes, or simply rating based on viewership? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] How Did The Fall TV Shows Fare? As the fall TV season hits its stride, the winners and losers have emerged, and it's a bloodbath out there. Ratings in general are horrible, and the major networks are still reeling from last year's writers' strike and a splintered viewership. Three series have already been pulled from the airwaves, including CBS' The Ex List. Herewith, the first of two SCI FI Wire assessments of how new and returning SFF shows made the grade, in descending order. Today, we look at the new shows. Tomorrow, returning series. (In the past if a TV series was on one of the four big broadcast networks, it needed to bring in 10 million viewers or so to prove it was worthy. For The CW, the number was lower, and 3 million viewers did the trick. Oh, how things have changed!) The Mentalist (CBS) Premiered with 15.55 million viewers. Last week, 15.29 million viewers. OK, he's a fake psychic, and it's not really science fiction, but we'll claim any show that does this well. It's the only certified hit for the new season, drawing great numbers against Fox's Fringe. Beyond that, it manages to keep 90 percent of its viewers from lead-in NCIS. That sounds like a match made in TV heaven. Grade: A+ Sanctuary (SCI FI) Premiered with 3 million viewers. Television's first mostly virtual series kicked off great, and it looks like a worthy successor to exiting SCI FI Friday shows Stargate Atlantis and Battlestar Galactica. Grade: A
[scifinoir2] Tennant to quit Dr Who
David Tennant has announced that he is vacating the Tardis and leaving the BBC's Doctor Who series at the end of next year. Tennant's decision brings to an end his popular four-year tenure as the time lord. The BBC confirmed that the Scottish actor will complete the filming of four special episodes to be screened this year and in early 2010, as well as 2009's Christmas special. Tennant broke the news of his departure at the National Television Awards as he accepted the outstanding drama performance prize. He said: When Doctor Who returns in 2010 it won't be with me. The 2009 shows will be my last playing the doctor. If I don't take a deep breath and move on now, I never will. Speaking about his time on the show, Tennant added: It has been the most brilliant and life-changing time. But it's not over yet, I have a whole other year to go. Thank you for being so enthusiastic about the show, for watching it, and loving it.
[scifinoir2] Re: Sites to View Pics from New Star Trek Film
---Funny. For most of the reasons that people don't like Voyager those are the reasons I do. I thought the Delta Quadrent gave writers the opportunity to really be creative and I thought they were. My favorite species were the Hirogen and the stories with the Borg were excellent. cocineroloco2000 In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ahh, the Eugenics Wars. One of my favorite stories. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics_Wars Simply because of Khan's origin and the way he went out I have to put him over Sisko in the interesting Trek characters department. The Eugenics War period really captures the Xenophobia that has been common recently in our society, but the war itself really takes it to another level. It really did turn out to be like Earth's 3rd World War. Of course, tere would be one more war to come on Earth that would change everything, so if anything, Eugenics was as if bin Laden was Khan Noonien Singh and lead the Supermen to run the planet. Your questions are almost exactly the same as mine regarding Janeway and Voyager, and it's why I really couldn't get into the show. There are some great moments, yes, like Species 8472, but all of those moments are ended horribly -- like Species 8472. 7 of 9 aside, and I think we all know that I think 7 of 9 was a horrible mistake for that show, my main problem is that if it weren't for Janeway's bad judgement in the beginning, the crew wouldn't be IN these situations in the first place. On Oct 26, 2008, at 6:19 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like Khan, but wouldn't put him over Sisko. But then, i haven't read any of those Trek books you mentioned. Didn't I hear a while back that one Trek author reimagined the Eugenics War as going on *now*, and that, instead of being a war in the nature of WWII, it's actually more like the war on terrrorism? I believe I read he presented Khan as akin to some of the Middle Eastern leaders the West has issues with now, running things in part behind the scenes, presiding over a large swath of Asia not as one nation like Iran, but as a unified group of people sharing similar goals and beliefs? As for Janeway, I've always had a problem with *how* she had to strand Voyager in the Delta quadrant. She destroyed the Caretaker's spacejumping doohickey to protect to Okampa from the Kazon (sp?) right, and couldn't use it because of that, right? Well, hell, it's the 24th Century, with warp drive, transporters, and artificial gravity. You mean to tell me they didn't have *time delayed* quantum torpedoes?? Why didn't she have Tuvok drop a half dozen torpedoes in space surrounding the station, set them to explode in a couple of minutes, then rush Voyager through? I know you have to sometimes abandon logic to make some plotlines work, but I could never get with that one... -- Original message -- From: Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] well, ya knew I'd chime in on THIS one. as for the enormity of what she did...when you consider that she got the ship lost in the FIRST place, the least she could do is fix her error within a reasonable time. For as much as I love Sisko, I'd have to put Khan as my #1 of greatest Trek characters of all time. We've seen the Q bit before, haven't we, but Khan and his crew? Amazing stuff, especially when you go and read the books. On Oct 26, 2008, at 12:51 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You might be one of a relatively small number of people who'd list Janeway among the greatest characters in the Trek universe. What about Janeway appeals to you? Not that I'm disagreeing, mind you. When one steps back and thinks about the enormity of what she did, bringing Voyager home, it's an incredible accomplishment. I liked her toughness and focus, and the way she balanced that with a caring, compassionate side. But so often the application of Voyager's storylines didn't jibe with the idea of their storylines, which turned off many viewers. Those that didn't hate Janeway outright never got to appreciate the best in her. Your thoughts? -- Original message -- From: Omari Confer [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the best idea the Trek franchise could do at this moment. Paramount and the Rodenberry estate needs to remind people who introduced some of the greatest characters in genre history..if not the greatest. -Captain Kirk -Q -Captain Picard -Spock -Data -The Klingons -Captain Janeway -Captain Benjamin Sisco -KHAA and who can forget the Tribbles!!! Star Trek is back! On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 11:17 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here are a half dozen cool pics from the new Trek film, showing
[scifinoir2] sci-fi channel show Jerimiah
Hello out there, I was wondering if anyone could tell what happened to the sci-fi show Jerimiah? I thought that Luke Perry and Malcolm-Jamal rally clicked on that program. Even though it was a bit slow at times I liked it and was wondering if it was going to be continuing or if it permantly dropped. cocineroloco2000
