Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here

[Keith Johnson]

Well, from what I've heard about "The Day After Tomorrow" and "10,000 B.C." 
--both from the ID4 team--the modus operandi with these folks is big spectacles 
that are light on scientific accuracy and plotting. It's all about FX, 
in-your-face messages, and all the dramatic depth of those '70s disaster flicks 
I mentioned. 


- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 9:40:38 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here 








I wanted to salute during the speech in independence day. :) I totally agree 
about the lazy writing. Independence day was the first movie that I found 
myself talking out loud during the movie for the same reason that you are 
stating. Scientists are making a lot of assumptions based on some of the 
discoveries here. There's no way that we will be able to figure out basic 
communication with an alien species. 


On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 






I don't know the locales, but even then it seems unlikely he'd find one woman 
and child amidst all that wreckage. Especially since she had to deviate from 
the route and hide in that little cubbyhole. Didn't he locate her at night, to 
boot? 

As for the computer virus, that's just lazy writing. Whether they use binary or 
not as the base language isn't the issue. It's whether you believe that even a 
genius computer hack could write a virus small enough to fit on a floppy that 
could break the firewalls, anti-virus scans, pop up blockers, malware/adware 
detectors, quarantine protections, and heuristics programs (a feature of 
anti-virus software that lets the computer look for patterns in behaviour of 
new code, and decide that even if it's not *sure* the code is dangerous, its 
characteristics make it *likely* it is). 

This is especially difficult to believe since their code would be so foreign, 
no way humans could understand it enough to do that in a few days or even 
weeks' time. And difficult to believe since the aliens have a structure where 
all ships are tied to the functionality of the mothership--a convenient and 
irritating Achille's Heel--that the mothership's computers could be that 
vulnerable. There'd be safeguards on top of safeguards, including a system to 
simply reject and quarantine any code coming in from outside normal channels. 

Incidentally, I had a similar problem in The Next Generation when Data working 
with Picard put the Borg to "sleep" and caused the Cube to explode. I was 
yelling at the screen "Come on! No way a race that sophisticated, built around 
computerized systems that add the power of all into a big One, would be fooled 
like that!" Low level program or not, there' be major checks and balances in 
every level of the IT infrastructure, from base code to operating systems to 
even mechanical safeguards. There'd be systems all along the way that'd say 
"Hey, we're in the middle of an Assimilation, everyone wake up!", or "Hey, 
power levels are climbing dangerously high! Break the circuit and wake up!" 

I know, I know, nitpicking "Independence Day" to death. But like I said for me 
it wasn't popcorn-campy enough to put my brain on hold and have fun, so the 
brain just kept finding the flaws. But worst of all, loyal American that I am, 
I was most undone by the "rah-rah! USA! USA!" nature of Pullman's speech, and 
the world's militaries literally standing around waiting for the US to come up 
with a battle plan! 




- Original Message - 
From: "Augustus Augustus" < jazzynupe_...@yahoo.com > 



To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 4:46:37 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here 








Mr. Worf, 
a couple of the questions i can answer. 
first - he did not find his girlfriend in LA, he found her at MCAS Yuma 
(remember, he told her 2 pack a bag and 4 her and her son 2 come down 2 the 
base...so when him and connick flew over LA, connick said "man, 
i'm sure she made it out". so it makes sense that he would go 2 Yuma. 
second - the computers, i do not have a clue! we are always told that binary is 
the universal math. what if that is not the case? 

--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Mr. Worf < hellomahog...@gmail.com > wrote: 



From: Mr. Worf < hellomahog...@gmail.com > 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 4:04 PM 





Yea, Independence day bugged the crap out of me too. I was thinking ok, where 
are the other planes and ground troops? How the hell could he find his 
girlfriend amongst all of the ruins of LA on a tank of gas in a helicopter? How 
the hell did the alien computers work like ours? Someone call JJ Abrams its 
time for a remake! :) 


On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 7:46 AM, Keith Johnson < KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net > 
wrote: 






Call everyone I know...turn on the TV and radio to get ne

[scifinoir2] Re: OT: Maxim's Hot 100 2009 ruins ScarJo Hotness Meter

[ravenadal]

Interestingly (to me, anyway), the Obama Administration scores two mentions on 
the Maxim Hot 100 list for 2009: First Lady Michelle Obama at number 93 and 
Assistant to the Deputy Chief of Staff, Ali Campoverdi at 86.

http://a11news.com/1344/ali-campoverdi/

The Josh Weldon sorority scores three mentions with Summer Glau at 87, Michelle 
Trachtenberg at 85 and Eliza Dushku at 6. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "ravenadal"  wrote:
>
> By moving Scarlett Johansson from number 2 in 2008 to number 34 in 2009, 
> Maxim has totally screwed up the calibration on my ScarJo Hotness Meter 
> 
> http://blackplush.blogspot.com/2009/03/scarjo-hotness-meter.html
> 
> I mean, of course we are all disappointed Scarlett married Ryan Reynolds but 
> did that warrant dropping her 32 spots?  The only thing that remains constant 
> is that Halle Berry and Rosario Dawson remain so hot they are OFF the Scarjo 
> Hotness meter.
> 
> An aside, if you took every woman in the top ten of Maxim's 2009 Hot 100 and 
> rubbed them together, you still could not start a fire.
> 
> ~rave!
> 
> 100. Deanna Russo
> 99. Melissa Rycroft
> 98. Rebecca Mader
> 97. Marisa Tomei
> 96. Olivia Munn
> 95. Padma Lakshmi
> 94. Yvonne Strahovski
> 93. Michelle Obama
> 92. Joanna Krupa
> 91. Chelsea Handler
> 90. Roselyn Sanchez
> 89. Jamie Chung
> 88. Diane Kruger
> 87. Summer Glau
> 86. Ali Campoverdi
> 85. Michelle Trachtenberg
> 84. Minka Kelly
> 83. Whitney Port
> 82. Emma Watson
> 81. Heidi Montag
> 80. Jamie Gunns
> 79. Jaime King
> 78. Danica Patrick
> 77. Stacy Keibler
> 76. Cameron Richardson
> 75. Tricia Helfer
> 74. Amanda Bynes
> 73. Ashley Tisdale
> 72. Camilla Belle
> 71. Gabrielle Union
> 70. Maria Menounos
> 69. Jennifer Morrison
> 68. Ashley Greene
> 67. Emmy Rossum
> 66. Emma Stone
> 65. Amanda Righetti
> 64. Diora Baird
> 63. Milla Jovovich
> 62. Heidi Klum
> 61. Dania Ramirez
> 60. Carrie Underwood
> 59. Ana Ivanovic
> 58. Miranda Kerr
> 57. Audrina Patridge
> 56. Amber Heard
> 55. Christina Milian
> 54. Rachel Bilson
> 53. Kim Kardashian
> 52. Beyoncé
> 51. Sienna Miller
> 50. Taylor Swift
> 49. Freida Pinto
> 48. Arielle Kebbel
> 47. Katie Cassidy
> 46. Nicole Scherzinger
> 45. Fergie
> 44. Avril Lavigne
> 43. Elisha Cuthbert
> 42. Nikki Reed
> 41. Nadine Velazquez
> 40. Lily Allen
> 39. Anna Faris
> 38. Charlize Theron
> 37. Cameron Diaz
> 36. Hayden Panettiere
> 35. Anna Kournikova
> 34. Scarlett Johansson
> 33. Blake Lively
> 32. Ciara
> 31. Hilary Duff
> 30. Penélope Cruz
> 29. Zoe Saldana
> 28. Danneel Harris
> 27. Vanessa Hudgens
> 26. Angelina Jolie
> 25. Julianne Hough
> 24. Eva Mendes
> 23. Lindsay Lohan
> 22. Kate Beckinsale
> 21. AnnaLynne McCord
> 20. Moon Bloodgood
> 19. Chan Marshall
> 18. Marisa Miller
> 17. Britney Spears
> 16. Gina Carano
> 15. Katy Perry
> 14. Christina Aguilera
> 13. Jessica Alba
> 12. Leighton Meester
> 11. Jessica Biel
> 10. Jennifer Love Hewitt
> 9. Jordana Brewster
> 8. Rihanna
> 7. Adriana Lima
> 6. Eliza Dushku
> 5. Mila Kunis
> 4. Malin Akerman
> 3. Bar Refaeli
> 2. Megan Fox
> 1. Olivia Wilde
>

[scifinoir2] OT: Maxim's Hot 100 2009 ruins ScarJo Hotness Meter

[ravenadal]

By moving Scarlett Johansson from number 2 in 2008 to number 34 in 2009, Maxim 
has totally screwed up the calibration on my ScarJo Hotness Meter 

http://blackplush.blogspot.com/2009/03/scarjo-hotness-meter.html

I mean, of course we are all disappointed Scarlett married Ryan Reynolds but 
did that warrant dropping her 32 spots?  The only thing that remains constant 
is that Halle Berry and Rosario Dawson remain so hot they are OFF the Scarjo 
Hotness meter.

An aside, if you took every woman in the top ten of Maxim's 2009 Hot 100 and 
rubbed them together, you still could not start a fire.

~rave!

100. Deanna Russo
99. Melissa Rycroft
98. Rebecca Mader
97. Marisa Tomei
96. Olivia Munn
95. Padma Lakshmi
94. Yvonne Strahovski
93. Michelle Obama
92. Joanna Krupa
91. Chelsea Handler
90. Roselyn Sanchez
89. Jamie Chung
88. Diane Kruger
87. Summer Glau
86. Ali Campoverdi
85. Michelle Trachtenberg
84. Minka Kelly
83. Whitney Port
82. Emma Watson
81. Heidi Montag
80. Jamie Gunns
79. Jaime King
78. Danica Patrick
77. Stacy Keibler
76. Cameron Richardson
75. Tricia Helfer
74. Amanda Bynes
73. Ashley Tisdale
72. Camilla Belle
71. Gabrielle Union
70. Maria Menounos
69. Jennifer Morrison
68. Ashley Greene
67. Emmy Rossum
66. Emma Stone
65. Amanda Righetti
64. Diora Baird
63. Milla Jovovich
62. Heidi Klum
61. Dania Ramirez
60. Carrie Underwood
59. Ana Ivanovic
58. Miranda Kerr
57. Audrina Patridge
56. Amber Heard
55. Christina Milian
54. Rachel Bilson
53. Kim Kardashian
52. Beyoncé
51. Sienna Miller
50. Taylor Swift
49. Freida Pinto
48. Arielle Kebbel
47. Katie Cassidy
46. Nicole Scherzinger
45. Fergie
44. Avril Lavigne
43. Elisha Cuthbert
42. Nikki Reed
41. Nadine Velazquez
40. Lily Allen
39. Anna Faris
38. Charlize Theron
37. Cameron Diaz
36. Hayden Panettiere
35. Anna Kournikova
34. Scarlett Johansson
33. Blake Lively
32. Ciara
31. Hilary Duff
30. Penélope Cruz
29. Zoe Saldana
28. Danneel Harris
27. Vanessa Hudgens
26. Angelina Jolie
25. Julianne Hough
24. Eva Mendes
23. Lindsay Lohan
22. Kate Beckinsale
21. AnnaLynne McCord
20. Moon Bloodgood
19. Chan Marshall
18. Marisa Miller
17. Britney Spears
16. Gina Carano
15. Katy Perry
14. Christina Aguilera
13. Jessica Alba
12. Leighton Meester
11. Jessica Biel
10. Jennifer Love Hewitt
9. Jordana Brewster
8. Rihanna
7. Adriana Lima
6. Eliza Dushku
5. Mila Kunis
4. Malin Akerman
3. Bar Refaeli
2. Megan Fox
1. Olivia Wilde

Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here

[Mr. Worf]

I wanted to salute during the speech in independence day. :)  I totally
agree about the lazy writing. Independence day was the first movie that I
found myself talking out loud during the movie for the same reason that you
are stating. Scientists are making a lot of assumptions based on some of the
discoveries here. There's no way that we will be able to figure out basic
communication with an alien species.

On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:

>
>
> I don't know the locales, but even then it seems unlikely he'd find one
> woman and child amidst all that wreckage. Especially since she had to
> deviate from the route and hide in that little cubbyhole. Didn't he locate
> her at night, to boot?
>
> As for the computer virus, that's just lazy writing. Whether they use
> binary or not as the base language isn't the issue. It's whether you believe
> that even a genius computer hack could write a virus small enough to fit on
> a floppy that could break the firewalls, anti-virus scans, pop up blockers,
> malware/adware detectors, quarantine protections, and heuristics programs (a
> feature of anti-virus software that lets the computer look for patterns in
> behaviour of new code, and decide that even if it's not *sure* the code is
> dangerous, its characteristics make it *likely* it is).
>
> This is especially difficult to believe since their code would be so
> foreign, no way humans could understand it enough to do that in a few days
> or even weeks' time.  And difficult to believe since the aliens have a
> structure where all ships are tied to the functionality of the mothership--a
> convenient and irritating Achille's Heel--that the mothership's computers
> could be that vulnerable. There'd be safeguards on top of safeguards,
> including a system to simply reject and quarantine any code coming in from
> outside normal channels.
>
> Incidentally, I had a similar problem in The Next Generation when Data
> working with Picard put the Borg to "sleep" and caused the Cube to explode.
> I was yelling at the screen "Come on! No way a race that sophisticated,
> built around computerized systems that add the power of all into a big One,
> would be fooled like that!" Low level program or not, there' be major checks
> and balances in every level of the IT infrastructure, from base code to
> operating systems to even mechanical safeguards. There'd be systems all
> along the way that'd say "Hey, we're in the middle of an Assimilation,
> everyone wake up!", or "Hey, power levels are climbing dangerously high!
> Break the circuit and wake up!"
>
> I know, I know, nitpicking "Independence Day"  to death. But like I said
> for me it wasn't popcorn-campy enough to put my brain on hold and have fun,
> so the brain just kept finding the flaws.  But worst of all, loyal American
> that I am, I was most undone by the "rah-rah! USA! USA!" nature of Pullman's
> speech, and the world's militaries literally standing around waiting for the
> US to come up with a battle plan!
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Augustus Augustus" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 4:46:37 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here
>
>
>
> Mr. Worf,
> a couple of the questions i can answer.
> first - he did not find his girlfriend in LA, he found her at MCAS Yuma
> (remember, he told her 2 pack a bag and 4 her and her son 2 come down 2 the
> base...so when him and connick flew over LA, connick said
> "man, i'm sure she made it out".  so it makes sense that he would go 2
> Yuma.
> second - the computers, i  do not have a clue!  we  are always told that
> binary is the universal math.  what if that is not the case?
>
> --- On *Thu, 5/14/09, Mr. Worf * wrote:
>
>
> From: Mr. Worf 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 4:04 PM
>
>  Yea, Independence day bugged the crap out of me too. I was thinking ok,
> where are the other planes and ground troops? How the hell could he find his
> girlfriend amongst all of the ruins of LA on a tank of gas in a helicopter?
> How the hell did the alien computers work like ours? Someone call JJ Abrams
> its time for a remake! :)
>
> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 7:46 AM, Keith Johnson  comcast.net
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Call everyone I know...turn on the TV and radio to get news updates from
>> both at once... take my laptop outside so I could watch the ship while
>> surfing the Net for more news...check my emergency kit and plans
>> (flashlight, batteries, snacks, bottled water, gas in car, tire pressure,
>> map, escape route, clothes, etc.) in case things go bad, and we lose power
>> as the invasion starts and I need to make a getaway to the mountains... get
>> my Bible, pray to God all will be okay, and start pondering the impact on
>> religious thought and culture as other beings with souls are finally

RE: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here

[Aubrey Leatherwood]

I'm just glad I didn't put any of *my* titles in my sig! lol

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To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: truthseeker...@lycos.com
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 20:23:06 -0400
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here











I did try to warn you, Aubrey...





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You probably DID do it! Beware those who doth protesteth! 

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Bloomfield CT Police Department 
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Behalf Of Aubrey Leatherwood 
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 4:51 PM 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
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The amount of civilian and law enforcement on this group requires me to 
say... "Hey, man, I didn't do it!" 

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www.aubreyleatherwood.com 
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MySpace 
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A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love... and perfect sex. 

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To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net 
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 16:37:42 + 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here 




Guys this is great! Apparently we have a wealth of military and civilian law 
enforcement experience in this group! T 
You should chime in more with comments from your unique perspectives. I 
know your experiences, knowledge, and viewpoints could enhance discussions 
on everything from how the people act on BSG to how teams are deployed in 
SG-1, to how often soldiers in real life get away with arguing with their 
commanders the way most scifi soldiers do. Those are angles we rarely 
discuss. 
Keep up the great input! I find it fascinating! 



- Original Message - 
From: "George Arterberry" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 12:10:30 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here 






I've been deployed to several theaters and trust me.war and an alien 
mothership first contact situation are two different things no matter what 
service you were a part of. 

--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Augustus Augustus wrote: 




From: Augustus Augustus 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 11:07 AM 



Keith, 

i have 2 disagree with you on the Will Smith part of ID. being a Marine 
myself (he only plays one in the movie), and having been 2 both Iraq and 
Afghanistan, u are trained 2 be level headed. never go looking 4 a fight, 
and never assume that someone or something that is new is always out 2 kill 
u. so in that scene, me and the Marines i saw it with were like, "yeah, he 
got that part totally correct." we bitched about how he wore our uniform, 
but that is a separate issue. 

Fate. 

--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Keith Johnson wrote: 



From: Keith Johnson 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here 
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 10:46 AM 


Call everyone I know...turn on the TV and radio to get news updates from 
both at once... take my laptop outside so I could watch the ship while 
surfing the Net for more news...check my emergency kit and plans 
(flashlight, batteries, snacks, bottled water, gas in car, tire pressure, 
map, escape route, clothes, etc.) in case things go bad, and we lose power 
as the invasion starts and I need to make a getaway to the mountains... get 
my Bible, pray to God all will be okay, and start pondering the impact on 
religious thought and culture as other beings with souls are finally 
discovered.. . 

Incidentally, good question. One of my pet peeves with the movie 
"Independence Day"--which is not a fav of mine, actually--is Will Smith's 
reaction when the aliens appeared. While his girlfriend and everyone in his 
neighborhood was outside gawking at the ships, Smith is shown calmly 
shaving, as if nothing's all that amiss. I remember him telling Vivica Fox 
something like "They didn't come billions of light years just to kill us". I 
remember thinking it was such a phoney and obvious scene, in order to show 
just how cool this soon-to-be hero was. The unflappable military stud not 
even phased by one of the greatest events in human history. But it range 
false to me... 

- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf" 
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 1:18:44 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] topic: T

RE: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here

[Aubrey Leatherwood]

ROFL!

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The People You Know, The Sex They Have
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To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: jazzynupe_...@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 14:20:35 -0700
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here











we know u did, but we did it too so u are o.k.

--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Aubrey Leatherwood  wrote:


From: Aubrey Leatherwood 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 4:51 PM




The amount of civilian and law enforcement on this group requires me to say... 
"Hey, man, I didn't do it!"

Aubrey Leatherwood
www.aubreyleatherwo od.com
FaceBook * MySpace 
Imperfection
A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love... and perfect sex.
The People You Know, The Sex They Have
ROMANTIC TIMES NOMINEE FOR BEST CONTEMPORARY EROTICA 2008
ISBN: 978-0-9818905- 0-0





 



To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
From: KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 16:37:42 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here







Guys this is great! Apparently we have a wealth of military and civilian law 
enforcement experience in this group! T
You should chime in more with comments from your unique perspectives.  I know 
your experiences, knowledge, and viewpoints could enhance discussions on 
everything from how the people act on BSG to how teams are deployed in SG-1, to 
how often soldiers in real life get away with arguing with their commanders the 
way most scifi soldiers do. Those are angles we rarely discuss.
Keep up the great input! I find it fascinating!



- Original Message -
From: "George Arterberry" 
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 12:10:30 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here











I've been deployed to several theaters and trust me.war and an alien mothership 
first contact situation are two different things no matter what service you 
were a part of.

--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Augustus Augustus  wrote:


From: Augustus Augustus 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 11:07 AM









Keith,
 
i have 2 disagree with you on the Will Smith part of ID.  being a Marine myself 
(he only plays one in the movie), and having been 2 both Iraq and Afghanistan, 
u are trained 2 be level headed.  never go looking 4 a fight, and never assume 
that someone or something that is new is always out 2 kill u.  so in that 
scene, me and the Marines i saw it with were like, "yeah, he got that part 
totally correct."  we bitched about how he wore our uniform, but that is a 
separate issue.
 
Fate.

--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Keith Johnson  wrote:


From: Keith Johnson 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 10:46 AM





Call everyone I know...turn on the TV and radio to get news updates from both 
at once... take my laptop outside so I could watch the ship while surfing the 
Net for more news...check my emergency kit and plans (flashlight, batteries, 
snacks, bottled water, gas in car, tire pressure, map, escape route, clothes, 
etc.) in case things go bad, and we lose power as the invasion starts and I 
need to make a getaway to the mountains... get my Bible, pray to God all will 
be okay, and start pondering the impact on religious thought and culture as 
other beings with souls are finally discovered.. .

Incidentally, good question. One of my pet peeves with the movie "Independence 
Day"--which is not a fav of mine, actually--is Will Smith's reaction when the 
aliens appeared. While his girlfriend and everyone in his neighborhood was 
outside gawking at the ships, Smith is shown calmly shaving, as if nothing's 
all that amiss. I remember him telling Vivica Fox something like "They didn't 
come billions of light years just to kill us". I remember thinking it was such 
a phoney and obvious scene, in order to show just how cool this soon-to-be hero 
was. The unflappable military stud not even phased by one of  the greatest 
events in human history. But it range false to me...

- Original Message -
From: "Mr. Worf" 
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 1:18:44 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here







Early Sunday morning the sun is shining, birds chirping. You get out of bed, 
open the curtains and look out the window. Out over the horizon is a large 
floating ship about 2/3rds the size of the horizon. They are here. It finally 
happened. What would you do?











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RE: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here

[Aubrey Leatherwood]

I didn't! I swear!


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www.aubreyleatherwood.com
FaceBook * MySpace Imperfection
A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love... and perfect sex.
The People You Know, The Sex They Have
ROMANTIC TIMES NOMINEE FOR BEST CONTEMPORARY EROTICA 2008
ISBN: 978-0-9818905-0-0





 


To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: mcjennings...@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 18:49:32 -0400
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here








You probably DID do it!  Beware those who doth protesteth!
 
Maurice 'Reece' Jennings
Bloomfield CT Police Department
Patrol Officer
Detective
Patrol Sergeant
Senior Patrol Sergeant
Retired Senior Patrol Sergeant
 
 



From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Aubrey Leatherwood
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 4:51 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here




The amount of civilian and law enforcement on this group requires me to say... 
"Hey, man, I didn't do it!"

Aubrey Leatherwood
www.aubreyleatherwood.com
FaceBook * MySpace 
Imperfection
A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love... and perfect sex.
The People You Know, The Sex They Have
ROMANTIC TIMES NOMINEE FOR BEST CONTEMPORARY EROTICA 2008
ISBN: 978-0-9818905-0-0





 


To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 16:37:42 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here







Guys this is great! Apparently we have a wealth of military and civilian law 
enforcement experience in this group! T
You should chime in more with comments from your unique perspectives.  I know 
your experiences, knowledge, and viewpoints could enhance discussions on 
everything from how the people act on BSG to how teams are deployed in SG-1, to 
how often soldiers in real life get away with arguing with their commanders the 
way most scifi soldiers do. Those are angles we rarely discuss.
Keep up the great input! I find it fascinating!



- Original Message -
From: "George Arterberry" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 12:10:30 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here











I've been deployed to several theaters and trust me.war and an alien mothership 
first contact situation are two different things no matter what service you 
were a part of.

--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Augustus Augustus  wrote:


From: Augustus Augustus 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 11:07 AM









Keith,
 
i have 2 disagree with you on the Will Smith part of ID.  being a Marine myself 
(he only plays one in the movie), and having been 2 both Iraq and Afghanistan, 
u are trained 2 be level headed.  never go looking 4 a fight, and never assume 
that someone or something that is new is always out 2 kill u.  so in that 
scene, me and the Marines i saw it with were like, "yeah, he got that part 
totally correct."  we bitched about how he wore our uniform, but that is a 
separate issue.
 
Fate.

--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Keith Johnson  wrote:


From: Keith Johnson 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 10:46 AM





Call everyone I know...turn on the TV and radio to get news updates from both 
at once... take my laptop outside so I could watch the ship while surfing the 
Net for more news...check my emergency kit and plans (flashlight, batteries, 
snacks, bottled water, gas in car, tire pressure, map, escape route, clothes, 
etc.) in case things go bad, and we lose power as the invasion starts and I 
need to make a getaway to the mountains... get my Bible, pray to God all will 
be okay, and start pondering the impact on religious thought and culture as 
other beings with souls are finally discovered.. .

Incidentally, good question. One of my pet peeves with the movie "Independence 
Day"--which is not a fav of mine, actually--is Will Smith's reaction when the 
aliens appeared. While his girlfriend and everyone in his neighborhood was 
outside gawking at the ships, Smith is shown calmly shaving, as if nothing's 
all that amiss. I remember him telling Vivica Fox something like "They didn't 
come billions of light years just to kill us". I remember thinking it was such 
a phoney and obvious scene, in order to show just how cool this soon-to-be hero 
was. The unflappable military stud not even phased by one of  the greatest 
events in human history. But it range false to me...

- Original Message -
From: "Mr. Worf" 
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 1:18:44 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here







Early Sunday morning the sun is shining, birds chirping. You get out of bed, 
open the curtains and look out the window. Out over the horizon is a large 
floating ship about 2/3rds the size of the horizon. They are here. It finally 
happened. What would you do?

[scifinoir2] Jeckyl and Hyde with Whitaker and 50 Cent

[ravenadal]

http://www.variety.com/index.asp?layout=festivals&jump=story&id=1061&articleid=VR1118003573&cs=1

Ferrara to transform 'Jekyll'
Forest Whitaker, 50 Cent to star in redo
By MICHAEL FLEMING, ALI JAAFAR
 
Abel Ferrara is taking another walk on the wild side with a re-imagining of 
Robert Louis Stevenson's "The Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde," which 
will be contemporized and titled "Jekyll and Hyde."
Forest Whitaker and Curtis "50 Cent" Jackson are attached to play the lead 
roles in the classic tale about a doctor who invents a potion that unleashes 
his violent alter ego.

Glasshouse Pictures' Brett Walsh and Cheetah Vision Films' Randall Emmett are 
producing; Luc Roeg, Michael Robinson and Andrew Orr are exec producing for 
U.K. production banner Independent.

Sean Walsh, Bonnie Timmermann and Chris Lighty also receive exec producer 
credits.

Independent is handling international sales on the project, which will begin 
lensing in late summer.

"The combination of such formidable talent in front of and behind the camera 
will turn this wonderful gothic story into a modern classic for a whole new 
generation," said Roeg.

RE: [scifinoir2] Eye catching

[Augustus Augustus]

Reece,

my friend, what's the problem?  u know u laughed.  u had 2 laugh!

--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Martin Baxter  wrote:

From: Martin Baxter 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Eye catching
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 8:30 PM
















  
 (holding Reece back... could use some help over here!)





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 Subject : RE: [scifinoir2] Eye catching

 Date : Thu, 14 May 2009 18:07:10 -0400

 From : "Reece Jennings" 

 To : 



Only on your word, Martin.  HOLD ME BACK!  HLLDDD ME BACK!!!

Actually, Aug-Aug, it was VERY funny, in a groaning, giggling, hands around

the throat

sort of way!  LOL!



  _  



From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@ yahoogroups. com] On

Behalf Of Martin Baxter

Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 11:38 AM

To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com

Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eye catching













Reece, IMO, he deserves a reprieve, for delivering such quality!















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Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Eye catching

Date : Thu, 14 May 2009 15:24:59 +

>From : mcjennings124@ yahoo.com

To : "SciFi2" 



I have to wait until you're asleep. Then I'm going to kill you! 

Can't do it while you're awake. You're a Marine!!! 

LOL! 



Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T 



-Original Message- 

From: Augustus Augustus 



Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 08:14:42 

To: Sci Fi; Sammie Bibb 

Subject: [scifinoir2] Eye catching 





A man is dining in a fancy restaurant and there is a gorgeous redhead 

sitting at the next table. He has been checking her out since he sat down, 

but lacks the nerve to talk with her. 

  

Suddenly she sneezes, and her glass eye comes flying out of its socket 

toward the man. He reflexively  reaches out, grabs it out of the air, and 

hands it back. 

  

'Oh my, I am so sorry,' the woman says as she pops her eye back in place. 

  

  

'Let me buy your dinner to make it up to you,' she says. 

  

  

They enjoy a wonderful dinner together, and afterwards they go to the 

theatre followed by drinks. They talk, they laugh, she shares her deepest 

dreams and he shares his. She listens. 

  

After paying for everything, she asks him if he would like to come to her 

place for a nightcap and stay for breakfast. They had a wonderful, wonderful



time. 

  

The next morning, she cooks a gourmet meal with all the trimmings. The guy 

is amazed. Everything had been SO incredible! 

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

You know,' he said, 'you are the perfect woman. Are you this nice to every 

guy you meet?' 

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

'No,' she replies. . . 

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

Wait for it. . . 

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

It's coming. . . 

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

The suspense is killing you, isn't it? 

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

She says: 

  

  

  

  

  

'You just happened to catch my eye.' 

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

(Oh shut up, and just forward it!) 

















http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=JQdwk8Yntds 








http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=JQdwk8Yntds



 

  




 

















  

Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here

[Mr. Worf]

No, I was talking about Vivica's scene when he went searching for her. The
tunnel that she was in was in Hollywood (when she kicks open the door and
dives in) when she starts walking they would have to walk a really long
distance. It would have taken Will Smith a really long time to find them.

On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Augustus Augustus
wrote:

>
>
> Mr. Worf,
>
> again, u are correct, but he was not in LA remember.  he was in the bottom
> on nevada at area 51.which is not that far from arizona.
> again, i also agree that if aliens can figure out how 2 travel via
> sub-space or hyper-space, then i am sure that 00010101010101001100
> would be ancient history 4 them.
>
> Fate.
>
> --- On *Thu, 5/14/09, Mr. Worf * wrote:
>
>
> From: Mr. Worf 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 4:58 PM
>
>  I haven't been through Yuma since I was a kid, but that is pretty far
> from that tunnel in LA! Binary may be a universal math language on this
> planet, but I'm sure that people elsewhere that are space travelers have
> thought up something that works better.
>
> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Augustus Augustus  yahoo.com > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>  Mr. Worf,
>> a couple of the questions i can answer.
>> first - he did not find his girlfriend in LA, he found her at MCAS Yuma
>> (remember, he told her 2 pack a bag and 4 her and her son 2 come down 2 the
>> base . ..so when him and connick flew over LA, connick said
>> "man, i'm sure she made it out".  so it makes sense that he would go 2
>> Yuma.
>> second - the computers, i  do not have a clue!  we  are always told that
>> binary is the universal math.  what if that is not the case?
>>
>> --- On *Thu, 5/14/09, Mr. Worf > gmail.com
>> >* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Mr. Worf > gmail.com
>> >
>> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here
>> To: scifino...@yahoogro 
>> ups.com
>> Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 4:04 PM
>>
>>  Yea, Independence day bugged the crap out of me too. I was thinking ok,
>> where are the other planes and ground troops? How the hell could he find his
>> girlfriend amongst all of the ruins of LA on a tank of gas in a helicopter?
>> How the hell did the alien computers work like ours? Someone call JJ Abrams
>> its time for a remake! :)
>>
>> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 7:46 AM, Keith Johnson > comcast.net > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Call everyone I know...turn on the TV and radio to get news updates from
>>> both at once... take my laptop outside so I could watch the ship while
>>> surfing the Net for more news...check my emergency kit and plans
>>> (flashlight, batteries, snacks, bottled water, gas in car, tire pressure,
>>> map, escape route, clothes, etc.) in case things go bad, and we lose power
>>> as the invasion starts and I need to make a getaway to the mountains... get
>>> my Bible, pray to God all will be okay, and start pondering the impact on
>>> religious thought and culture as other beings with souls are finally
>>> discovered.. .
>>>
>>> Incidentally, good question. One of my pet peeves with the movie
>>> "Independence Day"--which is not a fav of mine, actually--is Will Smith's
>>> reaction when the aliens appeared. While his girlfriend and everyone in his
>>> neighborhood was outside gawking at the ships, Smith is shown calmly
>>> shaving, as if nothing's all that amiss. I remember him telling Vivica Fox
>>> something like "They didn't come billions of light years just to kill us". I
>>> remember thinking it was such a phoney and obvious scene, in order to show
>>> just how cool this soon-to-be hero was. The unflappable military stud not
>>> even phased by one of  the greatest events in human history. But it range
>>> false to me...
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Mr. Worf" >> gmail.com
>>> >
>>> To: scifino...@yahoogro 
>>> ups.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 1:18:44 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>>> Subject: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Early Sunday morning the sun is shining, birds chirping. You get out of
>>> bed, open the curtains and look out the window. Out over the horizon is a
>>> large floating ship about 2/3rds the size of the horizon. They are here. It
>>> finally happened. What would you do?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> of_darkness/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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>

[scifinoir2] Why the Original "Star Trek" Still Matters

[sincere1906]

Why the original "Star Trek" still matters

Wednesday, May 13, 2009 

http://www.salon.com/ent/movies/btm/feature/2009/05/13/star_trek_original/index.html

In perhaps the most famous "Star Trek" episode of them all, Capt. James T. Kirk 
(William Shatner) and Cmdr. Spock (Leonard Nimoy) stand in their stretchy 
mock-turtle uniform shirts, lady-pleasin' tight pants and pointy-toed Beatle 
boots on one of those studio-lot sets designed to evoke a prewar American city. 
People shuffle past in shabby clothes, and a black automobile with large, 
curved fenders crawls down the street. "I've seen photographs of this period," 
says Kirk. "An economic upheaval had occurred."

"It was called 'Depression,'" says Spock, raising one painted eyebrow in 
archetypal distaste. "Circa 1930. Quite barbaric."

As many of you will have spotted already, this is from "City on the Edge of 
Forever," a time-paradox yarn written by science-fiction legend Harlan Ellison 
(who has feuded with the show's producers and their copyright heirs ever 
since). In it, Kirk falls in love with a kittenish Salvation Army type, played 
by Joan Collins, who envisions a future of space travel and peaceful global 
cooperation, and wants to rescue the world from the threat of impending war. 
Kirk comes from that future, of course. Not only can he not tell her that, he 
must also allow her to be run down by a bus to avoid a fatal disordering of the 
space-time continuum that would result in Hitler conquering the world and the 
Starship Enterprise never existing at all.

In its narrative ambition, its talky, theatrical density, its high-minded moral 
tone and its nerdy philosophizing, that episode captures a great deal about 
what made "Star Trek" such a potent cultural force. I guess that's why it's 
included, along with three other episodes, on "The Best of Star Trek: The 
Original Series," a new DVD/Blu-ray release presumably meant to lure viewers of 
J.J. Abrams' hit film back to the source material. No "Star Trek" fan could 
possibly be happy with such a mini-collection -- where, I ask, is "Mirror, 
Mirror"? "The Doomsday Machine"? "The Devil in the Dark"? -- but I enjoyed 
watching this tremendously.

Watching "Star Trek" in 1970s syndication was such an important part of my 
childhood and adolescence -- I've seen every episode at least five or six 
times, and some many more than that -- that I'm not capable of assessing the 
show's uneven, low-budget craftsmanship with any degree of detachment. For me, 
"Star Trek" and the Rolling Stones, as much as they might appear to be polar 
opposites -- one supremely American and the other English, one Apollonian and 
optimistic, the other Dionysian and pessimistic -- were the cultural phenomena 
that made the pre-punk-rock early '70s tolerable. A person interested in those 
things was, prima facie, not interested in Donny Osmond or "Happy Days," had 
conceivably read a book not required by teachers and furthermore could 
plausibly have access to decent weed.

Even if some of its flaws look more glaring 30-odd years later, I think the 
original "Star Trek" still has a passion and vitality that partly stem from its 
cheapness; the threadbare sets and effects created a coherent, suggestive 
atmosphere, and forced your attention onto the storytelling and the characters. 
It stands out, even after all this time, as something unique in television 
history. Of course "Star Trek" can never be the cultural lodestone it once was. 
Having spawned four official follow-up series, 11 feature films (and counting) 
and countless non-canonical works -- if you haven't heard about K/S porn or the 
immense and disputatious fanfic universe, I'm not helping you -- and inspired 
an entire genre of serial intergalactic futurism from "Space: 1999" to "Babylon 
5" to "Battlestar Galactica," the novelty of Gene Roddenberry's creation has 
pretty well worn off.

In the middle of the Cold War, Roddenberry imagined a radical-progressive, 
Enlightenment-fueled vision of the human future, one in which the conflict 
between capitalism and communism had been long transcended, along with other 
earthbound forms of racial, ethnic or religious strife. Strikingly, there is no 
religious or mystical dimension to the "Star Trek" universe at all, at least 
until much later in its development. (Roddenberry regarded himself as an 
"agnostic atheist," and banned any religious references from the show.) It was 
based around the chronic tension between reason and emotion, represented of 
course by the tension between Spock and Kirk and the actors who played them, 
the immeasurably gifted Nimoy and the hambone, cocksure Shatner (a second-rate 
Canadian Shakespearean, before his "Star Trek" celebrity).

Roddenberry's vision of what "Star Trek" could and should be, even if it was 
indifferently realized, was pretty close to Richard Wagner's conception of the 
"Gesamtkunstwerk," a work of art that would incorporate drama, poetry, 
philosophy and music. H

RE: [scifinoir2] Eye catching

[Martin Baxter]

(holding Reece back... could use some help over here!)





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 Subject : RE: [scifinoir2] Eye catching

 Date : Thu, 14 May 2009 18:07:10 -0400

 From : "Reece Jennings" 

 To : 


Only on your word, Martin. HOLD ME BACK! HLLDDD ME BACK!!!
Actually, Aug-Aug, it was VERY funny, in a groaning, giggling, hands around
the throat
sort of way! LOL!

 _ 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Martin Baxter
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 11:38 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eye catching






Reece, IMO, he deserves a reprieve, for delivering such quality!







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Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Eye catching
Date : Thu, 14 May 2009 15:24:59 +
>From : mcjennings...@yahoo.com
To : "SciFi2" 

I have to wait until you're asleep. Then I'm going to kill you! 
Can't do it while you're awake. You're a Marine!!! 
LOL! 

Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T 

-Original Message- 
From: Augustus Augustus 

Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 08:14:42 
To: Sci Fi; Sammie Bibb 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Eye catching 


A man is dining in a fancy restaurant and there is a gorgeous redhead 
sitting at the next table. He has been checking her out since he sat down, 
but lacks the nerve to talk with her. 
 
Suddenly she sneezes, and her glass eye comes flying out of its socket 
toward the man. He reflexively reaches out, grabs it out of the air, and 
hands it back. 
 
'Oh my, I am so sorry,' the woman says as she pops her eye back in place. 
 
 
'Let me buy your dinner to make it up to you,' she says. 
 
 
They enjoy a wonderful dinner together, and afterwards they go to the 
theatre followed by drinks. They talk, they laugh, she shares her deepest 
dreams and he shares his. She listens. 
 
After paying for everything, she asks him if he would like to come to her 
place for a nightcap and stay for breakfast. They had a wonderful, wonderful

time. 
 
The next morning, she cooks a gourmet meal with all the trimmings. The guy 
is amazed. Everything had been SO incredible! 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
You know,' he said, 'you are the perfect woman. Are you this nice to every 
guy you meet?' 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
'No,' she replies. . . 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Wait for it. . . 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
It's coming. . . 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
The suspense is killing you, isn't it? 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
She says: 
 
 
 
 
 
'You just happened to catch my eye.' 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
(Oh shut up, and just forward it!) 








http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds 





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds

RE: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here

[Martin Baxter]

Let's just say that I won't be making any sudden moves for the duration of my 
stay in SciFiNoir...





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 Subject : RE: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here

 Date : Thu, 14 May 2009 18:15:18 -0400

 From : "Reece Jennings" 

 To : 


Gunnery Sergeant Fate 
2d Recon / 2d MarDiv 

RECON! These are not JUST Marines. They are the MARINES of marines!
And Gunny Fate? Isn't that just a little scary???
 
HOO-Rah!

 _ 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Martin Baxter
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 2:29 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here






I hear you, Gunny.







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Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here
Date : Thu, 14 May 2009 08:53:37 -0700 (PDT)
>From : Augustus Augustus 
To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

O.K. let's start with Will in ID. he is dragging the alien 2 a military
base that he saw when he was being chased. yes 4 all he know the earth
could be under alien control, but that does not stop him from his duty. his
duty is get the alien (because he is alive) 2 his superiors. as 4 the wise
cracking because his friend (the highly enjoyable harry connick, jr.) that
is a stress reliever. u would be surprised 2 know the things we do in the
middle of a fire fight. u have 2 do something 2 keep your mind from
cracking. trust me, people shooting at u, bombs going off all around u,
friends and comrades dying, or loosing limbs. u have 2 do something 2 keep
your sanity. that is what jack o'neal would do. speaking of SG:1, i really
did like mcgyvers jack o'neal better than jack from the SG:M. 
 
Fate 
Gunnery Sergeant Fate 
2d Recon / 2d MarDiv 
--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Keith Johnson wrote: 


From: Keith Johnson 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 11:38 AM 









Knowing nothing about the service, I have to yield to your experience. But,
being calm is one thing, but are you saying it's completely realistic that
you'd go inside and just calmly shave while a damn flying saucer is hovering
over your house?! Surely a Marine could be forgiven for hanging outside and
at least assessing the situation, rather than staying inside with a "if
something happens, I'll know" attitude? 

But if you say that's par for the course, then let me bow down to you guys.
Damn! 

Okay, one more scene that irritated me. During the first big battle, Smith's
best friend on Earth is killed. He's seen the USA's forces devastated, he's
crash landed, and for all he knows, the world is now under alien control.
Yet, as he's later dragging an unconscious alien across the desert in his
'chute, he's cracking wise. There was some joke like "all that's happened
and I have to drag your stinky ugly behind across the desert". I thought
that too was a bit much. Even as a military man, shouldn't be be a little
more-I don't know, somber--given he just saw his friend die? Is cracking
jokes on that level--which elicited a whole bunch of guffaws in the
audience--realistic ? 
It reminded me of Jack O'Neil on SG-1, whose wisecracks in the face of
danger started getting on my nerves, and I'm not even sure O'Neill would
have been wisecracking like that so soon after such a battle and loss. 

But then, I'm an idealistic, liberal writer, not a soldier... 

- Original Message - 
From: "Augustus Augustus" 
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 11:07:38 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here 












Keith, 
 
i have 2 disagree with you on the Will Smith part of ID. being a Marine
myself (he only plays one in the movie), and having been 2 both Iraq and
Afghanistan, u are trained 2 be level headed. never go looking 4 a fight,
and never assume that someone or something that is new is always out 2 kill
u. so in that scene, me and the Marines i saw it with were like, "yeah, he
got that part totally correct." we bitched about how he wore our uniform,
but that is a separate issue. 
 
Fate. 

--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Keith Johnson wrote: 


From: Keith Johnson 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here 
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 10:46 AM 





Call everyone I know...turn on the TV and radio to get news updates from
both at once... take my laptop outside so I could watch the ship while
surfing the Net for more news...check my emergency kit and plans
(flashlight, batteries, snacks, bottled water, gas in car, tire pressure,
map, escape route, clothes, etc.) in case things go bad, and we lose power
as the invasion starts and I need to make a getaway to the mountains... get
my Bible, pray to God all will be okay, and start pondering the impact on
religious thought and culture as other beings with souls are finally
discovered.. . 

Incidentally, good question. One of my pet peeves with the movie
"Independence D

RE: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here

[Martin Baxter]

I did try to warn you, Aubrey...





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 Subject : RE: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here

 Date : Thu, 14 May 2009 18:49:32 -0400

 From : "Reece Jennings" 

 To : 


You probably DID do it! Beware those who doth protesteth!
 
Maurice 'Reece' Jennings
Bloomfield CT Police Department
Patrol Officer
Detective
Patrol Sergeant
Senior Patrol Sergeant
Retired Senior Patrol Sergeant
 
 

 _ 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Aubrey Leatherwood
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 4:51 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here





The amount of civilian and law enforcement on this group requires me to
say... "Hey, man, I didn't do it!"

Aubrey Leatherwood
  www.aubreyleatherwood.com
  FaceBook *
 MySpace 
  Imperfection
A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love... and perfect sex.
 
The People You Know, The Sex They Have
ROMANTIC TIMES NOMINEE FOR BEST CONTEMPORARY EROTICA 2008
ISBN: 978-0-9818905-0-0





 


 _ 

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 16:37:42 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here




Guys this is great! Apparently we have a wealth of military and civilian law
enforcement experience in this group! T
You should chime in more with comments from your unique perspectives. I
know your experiences, knowledge, and viewpoints could enhance discussions
on everything from how the people act on BSG to how teams are deployed in
SG-1, to how often soldiers in real life get away with arguing with their
commanders the way most scifi soldiers do. Those are angles we rarely
discuss.
Keep up the great input! I find it fascinating!



- Original Message -
From: "George Arterberry" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 12:10:30 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here






I've been deployed to several theaters and trust me.war and an alien
mothership first contact situation are two different things no matter what
service you were a part of.

--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Augustus Augustus  wrote:




From: Augustus Augustus 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 11:07 AM



Keith,
 
i have 2 disagree with you on the Will Smith part of ID. being a Marine
myself (he only plays one in the movie), and having been 2 both Iraq and
Afghanistan, u are trained 2 be level headed. never go looking 4 a fight,
and never assume that someone or something that is new is always out 2 kill
u. so in that scene, me and the Marines i saw it with were like, "yeah, he
got that part totally correct." we bitched about how he wore our uniform,
but that is a separate issue.
 
Fate.

--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Keith Johnson  wrote:



From: Keith Johnson 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 10:46 AM


Call everyone I know...turn on the TV and radio to get news updates from
both at once... take my laptop outside so I could watch the ship while
surfing the Net for more news...check my emergency kit and plans
(flashlight, batteries, snacks, bottled water, gas in car, tire pressure,
map, escape route, clothes, etc.) in case things go bad, and we lose power
as the invasion starts and I need to make a getaway to the mountains... get
my Bible, pray to God all will be okay, and start pondering the impact on
religious thought and culture as other beings with souls are finally
discovered.. .

Incidentally, good question. One of my pet peeves with the movie
"Independence Day"--which is not a fav of mine, actually--is Will Smith's
reaction when the aliens appeared. While his girlfriend and everyone in his
neighborhood was outside gawking at the ships, Smith is shown calmly
shaving, as if nothing's all that amiss. I remember him telling Vivica Fox
something like "They didn't come billions of light years just to kill us". I
remember thinking it was such a phoney and obvious scene, in order to show
just how cool this soon-to-be hero was. The unflappable military stud not
even phased by one of the greatest events in human history. But it range
false to me...

- Original Message -
From: "Mr. Worf" 
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 1:18:44 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here




Early Sunday morning the sun is shining, birds chirping. You get out of bed,
open the curtains and look out the window. Out over the horizon is a large
floating ship about 2/3rds the size of the horizon. They are here. It
finally happened. What would you do?







 _ 

Windows LiveT: Keep your life in sync. Check it out.
 





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds

RE: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here

[Martin Baxter]

He wore a unit insignia patch on the other. I always understood that the flag 
was meant to be worn as though the breeze was going through it at all times, 
coming into the wearer's face.





-[ Received Mail Content ]--

 Subject : RE: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here

 Date : Thu, 14 May 2009 18:23:11 -0400

 From : "Reece Jennings" 

 To : 


If the flag was backwards on the right sleeve, that's to reflect the
forwards patch on the left.
 


 _ 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Martin Baxter
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 2:39 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here






Fate,

I'm gonna hang the uniform issue on H'Wood rather than Will. The Corps
probably didn't want/wouldn't allow total authenticity. I've noticed that,
in a lot of SF movies, the Stars and Stripes are often worn bass-ackwards, a
simple thing easily caught as inauthentic. (I know this because I watched
ID4 once with my then fifteen-year-old cousin Corey Jr. He spotted it
because his dad was a retired gunny himself.)







-[ Received Mail Content ]--
Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here
Date : Thu, 14 May 2009 08:07:38 -0700 (PDT)
>From : Augustus Augustus 
To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

Keith, 
 
i have 2 disagree with you on the Will Smith part of ID. being a Marine
myself (he only plays one in the movie), and having been 2 both Iraq and
Afghanistan, u are trained 2 be level headed. never go looking 4 a fight,
and never assume that someone or something that is new is always out 2 kill
u. so in that scene, me and the Marines i saw it with were like, "yeah, he
got that part totally correct." we bitched about how he wore our uniform,
but that is a separate issue. 
 
Fate. 

--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Keith Johnson wrote: 


From: Keith Johnson 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 10:46 AM 









Call everyone I know...turn on the TV and radio to get news updates from
both at once... take my laptop outside so I could watch the ship while
surfing the Net for more news...check my emergency kit and plans
(flashlight, batteries, snacks, bottled water, gas in car, tire pressure,
map, escape route, clothes, etc.) in case things go bad, and we lose power
as the invasion starts and I need to make a getaway to the mountains... get
my Bible, pray to God all will be okay, and start pondering the impact on
religious thought and culture as other beings with souls are finally
discovered.. . 

Incidentally, good question. One of my pet peeves with the movie
"Independence Day"--which is not a fav of mine, actually--is Will Smith's
reaction when the aliens appeared. While his girlfriend and everyone in his
neighborhood was outside gawking at the ships, Smith is shown calmly
shaving, as if nothing's all that amiss. I remember him telling Vivica Fox
something like "They didn't come billions of light years just to kill us". I
remember thinking it was such a phoney and obvious scene, in order to show
just how cool this soon-to-be hero was. The unflappable military stud not
even phased by one of the greatest events in human history. But it range
false to me... 

- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf" 
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 1:18:44 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here 







Early Sunday morning the sun is shining, birds chirping. You get out of bed,
open the curtains and look out the window. Out over the horizon is a large
floating ship about 2/3rds the size of the horizon. They are here. It
finally happened. What would you do? 






















http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds 





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds

Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here

[Keith Johnson]

Dude! All you need in the list is "Starship Trooper"! 

- Original Message - 
From: "Reece Jennings"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 6:49:32 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here 









You probably DID do it! Beware those who doth protesteth! 

Maurice 'Reece' Jennings 
Bloomfield CT Police Department 
Patrol Officer 
Detective 
Patrol Sergeant 
Senior Patrol Sergeant 
Retired Senior Patrol Sergeant 




From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Aubrey Leatherwood 
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 4:51 PM 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here 





The amount of civilian and law enforcement on this group requires me to say... 
"Hey, man, I didn't do it!" 

Aubrey Leatherwood 
www.aubreyleatherwood.com 
FaceBook * MySpace 
Imperfection 
A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love... and perfect sex. 
The People You Know, The Sex They Have 
ROMANTIC TIMES NOMINEE FOR BEST CONTEMPORARY EROTICA 2008 
ISBN: 978-0-9818905-0-0 







To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net 
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 16:37:42 + 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here 







Guys this is great! Apparently we have a wealth of military and civilian law 
enforcement experience in this group! T 
You should chime in more with comments from your unique perspectives. I know 
your experiences, knowledge, and viewpoints could enhance discussions on 
everything from how the people act on BSG to how teams are deployed in SG-1, to 
how often soldiers in real life get away with arguing with their commanders the 
way most scifi soldiers do. Those are angles we rarely discuss. 
Keep up the great input! I find it fascinating! 



- Original Message - 
From: "George Arterberry"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 12:10:30 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here 









I've been deployed to several theaters and trust me.war and an alien 
mothership first contact situation are two different things no matter what 
service you were a part of. 

--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Augustus Augustus  wrote: 



From: Augustus Augustus  
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 11:07 AM 






Keith, 

i have 2 disagree with you on the Will Smith part of ID. being a Marine myself 
(he only plays one in the movie), and having been 2 both Iraq and Afghanistan, 
u are trained 2 be level headed. never go looking 4 a fight, and never assume 
that someone or something that is new is always out 2 kill u. so in that scene, 
me and the Marines i saw it with were like, "yeah, he got that part totally 
correct." we bitched about how he wore our uniform, but that is a separate 
issue. 

Fate. 

--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Keith Johnson  wrote: 



From: Keith Johnson  
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here 
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 10:46 AM 





Call everyone I know...turn on the TV and radio to get news updates from both 
at once... take my laptop outside so I could watch the ship while surfing the 
Net for more news...check my emergency kit and plans (flashlight, batteries, 
snacks, bottled water, gas in car, tire pressure, map, escape route, clothes, 
etc.) in case things go bad, and we lose power as the invasion starts and I 
need to make a getaway to the mountains... get my Bible, pray to God all will 
be okay, and start pondering the impact on religious thought and culture as 
other beings with souls are finally discovered.. . 

Incidentally, good question. One of my pet peeves with the movie "Independence 
Day"--which is not a fav of mine, actually--is Will Smith's reaction when the 
aliens appeared. While his girlfriend and everyone in his neighborhood was 
outside gawking at the ships, Smith is shown calmly shaving, as if nothing's 
all that amiss. I remember him telling Vivica Fox something like "They didn't 
come billions of light years just to kill us". I remember thinking it was such 
a phoney and obvious scene, in order to show just how cool this soon-to-be hero 
was. The unflappable military stud not even phased by one of the greatest 
events in human history. But it range false to me... 

- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf"  
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 1:18:44 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here 







Early Sunday morning the sun is shining, birds chirping. You get out of bed, 
open the curtains and look out the window. Out over the horizon is a large 
floating ship about 2/3rds the size of the horizon. They are here. It finally 
happened. What would you do? 









Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. Check it out. 

RE: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here

[Reece Jennings]

You probably DID do it!  Beware those who doth protesteth!
 
Maurice 'Reece' Jennings
Bloomfield CT Police Department
Patrol Officer
Detective
Patrol Sergeant
Senior Patrol Sergeant
Retired Senior Patrol Sergeant
 
 

  _  

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Aubrey Leatherwood
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 4:51 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here





The amount of civilian and law enforcement on this group requires me to
say... "Hey, man, I didn't do it!"

Aubrey Leatherwood
  www.aubreyleatherwood.com
  FaceBook *
 MySpace 
  Imperfection
A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love... and perfect sex.
 
The People You Know, The Sex They Have
ROMANTIC TIMES NOMINEE FOR BEST CONTEMPORARY EROTICA 2008
ISBN: 978-0-9818905-0-0





 


  _  

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 16:37:42 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here




Guys this is great! Apparently we have a wealth of military and civilian law
enforcement experience in this group! T
You should chime in more with comments from your unique perspectives.  I
know your experiences, knowledge, and viewpoints could enhance discussions
on everything from how the people act on BSG to how teams are deployed in
SG-1, to how often soldiers in real life get away with arguing with their
commanders the way most scifi soldiers do. Those are angles we rarely
discuss.
Keep up the great input! I find it fascinating!



- Original Message -
From: "George Arterberry" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 12:10:30 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here






I've been deployed to several theaters and trust me.war and an alien
mothership first contact situation are two different things no matter what
service you were a part of.

--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Augustus Augustus  wrote:




From: Augustus Augustus 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 11:07 AM



Keith,
 
i have 2 disagree with you on the Will Smith part of ID.  being a Marine
myself (he only plays one in the movie), and having been 2 both Iraq and
Afghanistan, u are trained 2 be level headed.  never go looking 4 a fight,
and never assume that someone or something that is new is always out 2 kill
u.  so in that scene, me and the Marines i saw it with were like, "yeah, he
got that part totally correct."  we bitched about how he wore our uniform,
but that is a separate issue.
 
Fate.

--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Keith Johnson  wrote:



From: Keith Johnson 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 10:46 AM


Call everyone I know...turn on the TV and radio to get news updates from
both at once... take my laptop outside so I could watch the ship while
surfing the Net for more news...check my emergency kit and plans
(flashlight, batteries, snacks, bottled water, gas in car, tire pressure,
map, escape route, clothes, etc.) in case things go bad, and we lose power
as the invasion starts and I need to make a getaway to the mountains... get
my Bible, pray to God all will be okay, and start pondering the impact on
religious thought and culture as other beings with souls are finally
discovered.. .

Incidentally, good question. One of my pet peeves with the movie
"Independence Day"--which is not a fav of mine, actually--is Will Smith's
reaction when the aliens appeared. While his girlfriend and everyone in his
neighborhood was outside gawking at the ships, Smith is shown calmly
shaving, as if nothing's all that amiss. I remember him telling Vivica Fox
something like "They didn't come billions of light years just to kill us". I
remember thinking it was such a phoney and obvious scene, in order to show
just how cool this soon-to-be hero was. The unflappable military stud not
even phased by one of  the greatest events in human history. But it range
false to me...

- Original Message -
From: "Mr. Worf" 
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 1:18:44 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here




Early Sunday morning the sun is shining, birds chirping. You get out of bed,
open the curtains and look out the window. Out over the horizon is a large
floating ship about 2/3rds the size of the horizon. They are here. It
finally happened. What would you do?







  _  

Windows LiveT: Keep your life in sync. Check it out.
  

RE: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here

[Reece Jennings]

If the flag was backwards on the right sleeve, that's to reflect the
forwards patch on the left.
 


  _  

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Martin Baxter
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 2:39 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here






Fate,

I'm gonna hang the uniform issue on H'Wood rather than Will. The Corps
probably didn't want/wouldn't allow total authenticity. I've noticed that,
in a lot of SF movies, the Stars and Stripes are often worn bass-ackwards, a
simple thing easily caught as inauthentic. (I know this because I watched
ID4 once with my then fifteen-year-old cousin Corey Jr. He spotted it
because his dad was a retired gunny himself.)







-[ Received Mail Content ]--
Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here
Date : Thu, 14 May 2009 08:07:38 -0700 (PDT)
>From : Augustus Augustus 
To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

Keith, 
  
i have 2 disagree with you on the Will Smith part of ID.  being a Marine
myself (he only plays one in the movie), and having been 2 both Iraq and
Afghanistan, u are trained 2 be level headed.  never go looking 4 a fight,
and never assume that someone or something that is new is always out 2 kill
u.  so in that scene, me and the Marines i saw it with were like, "yeah, he
got that part totally correct."  we bitched about how he wore our uniform,
but that is a separate issue. 
  
Fate. 

--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Keith Johnson wrote: 


From: Keith Johnson 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 10:46 AM 









Call everyone I know...turn on the TV and radio to get news updates from
both at once... take my laptop outside so I could watch the ship while
surfing the Net for more news...check my emergency kit and plans
(flashlight, batteries, snacks, bottled water, gas in car, tire pressure,
map, escape route, clothes, etc.) in case things go bad, and we lose power
as the invasion starts and I need to make a getaway to the mountains... get
my Bible, pray to God all will be okay, and start pondering the impact on
religious thought and culture as other beings with souls are finally
discovered.. . 

Incidentally, good question. One of my pet peeves with the movie
"Independence Day"--which is not a fav of mine, actually--is Will Smith's
reaction when the aliens appeared. While his girlfriend and everyone in his
neighborhood was outside gawking at the ships, Smith is shown calmly
shaving, as if nothing's all that amiss. I remember him telling Vivica Fox
something like "They didn't come billions of light years just to kill us". I
remember thinking it was such a phoney and obvious scene, in order to show
just how cool this soon-to-be hero was. The unflappable military stud not
even phased by one of  the greatest events in human history. But it range
false to me... 

- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf" 
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 1:18:44 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here 







Early Sunday morning the sun is shining, birds chirping. You get out of bed,
open the curtains and look out the window. Out over the horizon is a large
floating ship about 2/3rds the size of the horizon. They are here. It
finally happened. What would you do? 






















http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds 


<>

RE: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here

[Reece Jennings]

Gunnery Sergeant Fate 
2d Recon / 2d MarDiv 

RECON!  These are not JUST Marines.  They are the MARINES of marines!
And Gunny Fate?  Isn't that just a little scary???
 
HOO-Rah!

  _  

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Martin Baxter
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 2:29 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here






I hear you, Gunny.







-[ Received Mail Content ]--
Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here
Date : Thu, 14 May 2009 08:53:37 -0700 (PDT)
>From : Augustus Augustus 
To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

O.K. let's start with Will in ID.  he is dragging the alien 2 a military
base that he saw when he was being chased.  yes 4 all he know the earth
could be under alien control, but that does not stop him from his duty.  his
duty is get the alien (because he is alive) 2 his superiors.  as 4 the wise
cracking because his friend (the highly enjoyable harry connick, jr.) that
is a stress reliever.  u would be surprised 2 know the things we do in the
middle of a fire fight.  u have 2 do something 2 keep your mind from
cracking.  trust me, people shooting at u, bombs going off all around u,
friends and comrades dying, or loosing limbs.  u have 2 do something 2 keep
your sanity.  that is what jack o'neal would do.  speaking of SG:1, i really
did like mcgyvers jack o'neal better than jack from the SG:M. 
  
Fate  
Gunnery Sergeant Fate 
2d Recon / 2d MarDiv 
--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Keith Johnson wrote: 


From: Keith Johnson 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 11:38 AM 









Knowing nothing about the service, I have to yield to your experience. But,
being calm is one thing, but are you saying it's completely realistic that
you'd go inside and just calmly shave while a damn flying saucer is hovering
over your house?! Surely a Marine could be forgiven for hanging outside and
at least assessing the situation, rather than staying inside with a "if
something happens, I'll know" attitude? 

But if you say that's par for the course, then let me bow down to you guys.
Damn! 

Okay, one more scene that irritated me. During the first big battle, Smith's
best friend on Earth is killed. He's seen the USA's forces devastated, he's
crash landed, and for all he knows, the world is now under alien control.
Yet, as he's later dragging an unconscious alien across the desert in his
'chute, he's cracking wise. There was some joke like "all that's happened
and I have to drag your stinky ugly behind across the desert".  I thought
that too was a bit much. Even as a military man, shouldn't be be a little
more-I don't know, somber--given he just saw his friend die? Is cracking
jokes on that level--which elicited a whole bunch of guffaws in the
audience--realistic ? 
It reminded me of Jack O'Neil on SG-1, whose wisecracks in the face of
danger started getting on my nerves, and I'm not even sure O'Neill would
have been wisecracking like that so soon after such a battle and loss. 

But then, I'm an idealistic, liberal writer, not a soldier... 

- Original Message - 
From: "Augustus Augustus" 
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 11:07:38 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here 












Keith, 
  
i have 2 disagree with you on the Will Smith part of ID.  being a Marine
myself (he only plays one in the movie), and having been 2 both Iraq and
Afghanistan, u are trained 2 be level headed.  never go looking 4 a fight,
and never assume that someone or something that is new is always out 2 kill
u.  so in that scene, me and the Marines i saw it with were like, "yeah, he
got that part totally correct."  we bitched about how he wore our uniform,
but that is a separate issue. 
  
Fate. 

--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Keith Johnson wrote: 


From: Keith Johnson 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here 
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 10:46 AM 





Call everyone I know...turn on the TV and radio to get news updates from
both at once... take my laptop outside so I could watch the ship while
surfing the Net for more news...check my emergency kit and plans
(flashlight, batteries, snacks, bottled water, gas in car, tire pressure,
map, escape route, clothes, etc.) in case things go bad, and we lose power
as the invasion starts and I need to make a getaway to the mountains... get
my Bible, pray to God all will be okay, and start pondering the impact on
religious thought and culture as other beings with souls are finally
discovered.. . 

Incidentally, good question. One of my pet peeves with the movie
"Independence Day"--which is not a fav of mine, actually--is Will Smith's
reaction when the aliens appeared. While his girlfriend and everyone in his
neighborhood was outside gawking at the ships, Smith is shown calmly
shaving, as if nothing's all that amiss. I remembe

RE: [scifinoir2] Eye catching

[Reece Jennings]

LOLLOL!  On second thought...wanna earn a hundred bucks?  chuckle...
Actually, I think they sleep with that K-bar knife between their teeth...

  _  

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Keith Johnson
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 12:11 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eye catching






He's a Marine. Don't they sleep with one eye open, and a really nasty
Klingon-type knife under their pillows?

- Original Message -
From: mcjennings...@yahoo.com
To: "SciFi2" 
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 11:24:59 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eye catching





I have to wait until you're asleep. Then I'm going to kill you!
Can't do it while you're awake. You're a Marine!!!
LOL!


Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

  _  

From: Augustus Augustus 
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 08:14:42 -0700 (PDT)
To: Sci Fi; Sammie Bibb
Subject: [scifinoir2] Eye catching




A man is dining in a fancy restaurant and there is a gorgeous redhead

sitting at the next table. He has been checking her out since he sat down,

but lacks the nerve to talk with her. 

 

Suddenly she sneezes, and her glass eye comes flying out of its socket

toward the man. He reflexively  reaches out, grabs it out of the air, and

hands it back. 

 

'Oh my, I am so sorry,' the woman says as she pops her eye back in place. 

 

 

'Let me buy your dinner to make it up to you,' she says. 

 

 

They enjoy a wonderful dinner together, and afterwards they go to the

theatre followed by drinks. They talk, they laugh, she shares her deepest

dreams and he shares his. She listens. 

 

After paying for everything, she asks him if he would like to come to her

place for a nightcap and stay for breakfast. They had a wonderful, wonderful

time. 

 

The next morning, she cooks a gourmet meal with all the trimmings. The guy

is amazed. Everything had been SO incredible!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You know,' he said, 'you are the perfect woman. Are you this nice to every

guy you meet?' 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

'No,' she replies. . .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wait for it. . .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's coming. . .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The suspense is killing you, isn't it? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

She says: 

 

 

 

 

 

'You just happened to catch my eye.' 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(Oh shut up, and just forward it!) 

RE: [scifinoir2] Eye catching

[Reece Jennings]

Only on your word, Martin.  HOLD ME BACK!  HLLDDD ME BACK!!!
Actually, Aug-Aug, it was VERY funny, in a groaning, giggling, hands around
the throat
sort of way!  LOL!

  _  

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Martin Baxter
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 11:38 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eye catching






Reece, IMO, he deserves a reprieve, for delivering such quality!







-[ Received Mail Content ]--
Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Eye catching
Date : Thu, 14 May 2009 15:24:59 +
>From : mcjennings...@yahoo.com
To : "SciFi2" 

I have to wait until you're asleep. Then I'm going to kill you! 
Can't do it while you're awake. You're a Marine!!! 
LOL! 

Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T 

-Original Message- 
From: Augustus Augustus 

Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 08:14:42 
To: Sci Fi; Sammie Bibb 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Eye catching 


A man is dining in a fancy restaurant and there is a gorgeous redhead 
sitting at the next table. He has been checking her out since he sat down, 
but lacks the nerve to talk with her. 
  
Suddenly she sneezes, and her glass eye comes flying out of its socket 
toward the man. He reflexively  reaches out, grabs it out of the air, and 
hands it back. 
  
'Oh my, I am so sorry,' the woman says as she pops her eye back in place. 
  
  
'Let me buy your dinner to make it up to you,' she says. 
  
  
They enjoy a wonderful dinner together, and afterwards they go to the 
theatre followed by drinks. They talk, they laugh, she shares her deepest 
dreams and he shares his. She listens. 
  
After paying for everything, she asks him if he would like to come to her 
place for a nightcap and stay for breakfast. They had a wonderful, wonderful

time. 
  
The next morning, she cooks a gourmet meal with all the trimmings. The guy 
is amazed. Everything had been SO incredible! 
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
You know,' he said, 'you are the perfect woman. Are you this nice to every 
guy you meet?' 
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
'No,' she replies. . . 
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
Wait for it. . . 
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
It's coming. . . 
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
The suspense is killing you, isn't it? 
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
She says: 
  
  
  
  
  
'You just happened to catch my eye.' 
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
(Oh shut up, and just forward it!) 








http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds 

Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here

[Keith Johnson]

You said it! 

- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 4:04:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here 








Yea, Independence day bugged the crap out of me too. I was thinking ok, where 
are the other planes and ground troops? How the hell could he find his 
girlfriend amongst all of the ruins of LA on a tank of gas in a helicopter? How 
the hell did the alien computers work like ours? Someone call JJ Abrams its 
time for a remake! :) 


On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 7:46 AM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 






Call everyone I know...turn on the TV and radio to get news updates from both 
at once... take my laptop outside so I could watch the ship while surfing the 
Net for more news...check my emergency kit and plans (flashlight, batteries, 
snacks, bottled water, gas in car, tire pressure, map, escape route, clothes, 
etc.) in case things go bad, and we lose power as the invasion starts and I 
need to make a getaway to the mountains... get my Bible, pray to God all will 
be okay, and start pondering the impact on religious thought and culture as 
other beings with souls are finally discovered... 

Incidentally, good question. One of my pet peeves with the movie "Independence 
Day"--which is not a fav of mine, actually--is Will Smith's reaction when the 
aliens appeared. While his girlfriend and everyone in his neighborhood was 
outside gawking at the ships, Smith is shown calmly shaving, as if nothing's 
all that amiss. I remember him telling Vivica Fox something like "They didn't 
come billions of light years just to kill us". I remember thinking it was such 
a phoney and obvious scene, in order to show just how cool this soon-to-be hero 
was. The unflappable military stud not even phased by one of the greatest 
events in human history. But it range false to me... 


- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf" < hellomahog...@gmail.com > 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 1:18:44 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here 









Early Sunday morning the sun is shining, birds chirping. You get out of bed, 
open the curtains and look out the window. Out over the horizon is a large 
floating ship about 2/3rds the size of the horizon. They are here. It finally 
happened. What would you do? 








-- 
Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! 
Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ 

Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here

[Keith Johnson]

I don't know the locales, but even then it seems unlikely he'd find one woman 
and child amidst all that wreckage. Especially since she had to deviate from 
the route and hide in that little cubbyhole. Didn't he locate her at night, to 
boot? 

As for the computer virus, that's just lazy writing. Whether they use binary or 
not as the base language isn't the issue. It's whether you believe that even a 
genius computer hack could write a virus small enough to fit on a floppy that 
could break the firewalls, anti-virus scans, pop up blockers, malware/adware 
detectors, quarantine protections, and heuristics programs (a feature of 
anti-virus software that lets the computer look for patterns in behaviour of 
new code, and decide that even if it's not *sure* the code is dangerous, its 
characteristics make it *likely* it is). 

This is especially difficult to believe since their code would be so foreign, 
no way humans could understand it enough to do that in a few days or even 
weeks' time. And difficult to believe since the aliens have a structure where 
all ships are tied to the functionality of the mothership--a convenient and 
irritating Achille's Heel--that the mothership's computers could be that 
vulnerable. There'd be safeguards on top of safeguards, including a system to 
simply reject and quarantine any code coming in from outside normal channels. 

Incidentally, I had a similar problem in The Next Generation when Data working 
with Picard put the Borg to "sleep" and caused the Cube to explode. I was 
yelling at the screen "Come on! No way a race that sophisticated, built around 
computerized systems that add the power of all into a big One, would be fooled 
like that!" Low level program or not, there' be major checks and balances in 
every level of the IT infrastructure, from base code to operating systems to 
even mechanical safeguards. There'd be systems all along the way that'd say 
"Hey, we're in the middle of an Assimilation, everyone wake up!", or "Hey, 
power levels are climbing dangerously high! Break the circuit and wake up!" 

I know, I know, nitpicking "Independence Day" to death. But like I said for me 
it wasn't popcorn-campy enough to put my brain on hold and have fun, so the 
brain just kept finding the flaws. But worst of all, loyal American that I am, 
I was most undone by the "rah-rah! USA! USA!" nature of Pullman's speech, and 
the world's militaries literally standing around waiting for the US to come up 
with a battle plan! 



- Original Message - 
From: "Augustus Augustus"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 4:46:37 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here 








Mr. Worf, 
a couple of the questions i can answer. 
first - he did not find his girlfriend in LA, he found her at MCAS Yuma 
(remember, he told her 2 pack a bag and 4 her and her son 2 come down 2 the 
base...so when him and connick flew over LA, connick said "man, 
i'm sure she made it out". so it makes sense that he would go 2 Yuma. 
second - the computers, i do not have a clue! we are always told that binary is 
the universal math. what if that is not the case? 

--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Mr. Worf  wrote: 



From: Mr. Worf  
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 4:04 PM 





Yea, Independence day bugged the crap out of me too. I was thinking ok, where 
are the other planes and ground troops? How the hell could he find his 
girlfriend amongst all of the ruins of LA on a tank of gas in a helicopter? How 
the hell did the alien computers work like ours? Someone call JJ Abrams its 
time for a remake! :) 


On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 7:46 AM, Keith Johnson < KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net > 
wrote: 






Call everyone I know...turn on the TV and radio to get news updates from both 
at once... take my laptop outside so I could watch the ship while surfing the 
Net for more news...check my emergency kit and plans (flashlight, batteries, 
snacks, bottled water, gas in car, tire pressure, map, escape route, clothes, 
etc.) in case things go bad, and we lose power as the invasion starts and I 
need to make a getaway to the mountains... get my Bible, pray to God all will 
be okay, and start pondering the impact on religious thought and culture as 
other beings with souls are finally discovered.. . 

Incidentally, good question. One of my pet peeves with the movie "Independence 
Day"--which is not a fav of mine, actually--is Will Smith's reaction when the 
aliens appeared. While his girlfriend and everyone in his neighborhood was 
outside gawking at the ships, Smith is shown calmly shaving, as if nothing's 
all that amiss. I remember him telling Vivica Fox something like "They didn't 
come billions of light years just to kill us". I remember thinking it was such 
a phoney and obvious scene, in order to show just how cool this soon-to-be hero 
was. The unflappable military s

RE: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here

[Augustus Augustus]

we know u did, but we did it too so u are o.k.

--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Aubrey Leatherwood  wrote:

From: Aubrey Leatherwood 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 4:51 PM
















  
  


The amount of civilian and law enforcement on this group requires me to say... 
"Hey, man, I didn't do it!"

Aubrey Leatherwood
www.aubreyleatherwo od.com
FaceBook * MySpace 

Imperfection
A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love... and perfect sex.
The People You Know, The Sex They Have
ROMANTIC TIMES NOMINEE FOR BEST CONTEMPORARY EROTICA 2008
ISBN: 978-0-9818905- 0-0





 


To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
From: KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 16:37:42 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here








Guys this is great! Apparently we have a wealth of military and civilian law 
enforcement experience in this group! T
You should chime in more with comments from your unique perspectives.  I know 
your experiences, knowledge, and viewpoints could enhance discussions on 
everything from how the people act on BSG to how teams are deployed in SG-1, to 
how often soldiers in real life get away with arguing with their commanders the 
way most scifi soldiers do. Those are angles we rarely discuss.
Keep up the great input! I find it fascinating!



- Original Message -
From: "George Arterberry" 
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 12:10:30 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here











I've been deployed to several theaters and trust me.war and an alien mothership 
first contact situation are two different things no matter what service you 
were a part of.

--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Augustus Augustus  wrote:


From: Augustus Augustus 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 11:07 AM









Keith,
 
i have 2 disagree with you on the Will Smith part of ID.  being a Marine myself 
(he only plays one in the movie), and having been 2 both Iraq and Afghanistan, 
u are trained 2 be level headed.  never go looking 4 a fight, and never assume 
that someone or something that is new is always out 2 kill u.  so in that 
scene, me and the Marines i saw it with were like, "yeah, he got that part 
totally correct."  we bitched about how he wore our uniform, but that is a 
separate issue.
 
Fate.

--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Keith Johnson  wrote:


From: Keith Johnson 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 10:46 AM





Call everyone I know...turn on the TV and radio to get news updates from both 
at once... take my laptop outside so I could watch the ship while surfing the 
Net for more news...check my emergency kit and plans (flashlight, batteries, 
snacks, bottled water, gas in car, tire pressure, map, escape route, clothes, 
etc.) in case things go bad, and we lose power as the invasion starts and I 
need to make a getaway to the mountains... get my Bible, pray to God all will 
be okay, and start pondering the impact on religious thought and culture as 
other beings with souls are finally discovered.. .

Incidentally, good question. One of my pet peeves with the movie "Independence 
Day"--which is not a fav of mine, actually--is Will Smith's reaction when the 
aliens appeared. While his girlfriend and everyone in his neighborhood was 
outside gawking at the ships, Smith is shown calmly shaving, as if nothing's 
all that amiss. I remember him telling Vivica Fox something like "They didn't 
come billions of light years just to kill us". I remember thinking it was such 
a phoney and obvious scene, in order to show just how cool this soon-to-be hero 
was. The unflappable military stud not even phased by one of  the greatest 
events in human history. But it range false to me...

- Original Message -
From: "Mr. Worf" 
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 1:18:44 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here







Early Sunday morning the sun is shining, birds chirping. You get out of bed, 
open the curtains and look out the window. Out over the horizon is a large 
floating ship about 2/3rds the size of the horizon. They are here. It finally 
happened. What would you do?














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Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here

[Augustus Augustus]

Mr. Worf,

again, u are correct, but he was not in LA remember.  he was in the bottom on 
nevada at area 51.which is not that far from arizona.
again, i also agree that if aliens can figure out how 2 travel via sub-space or 
hyper-space, then i am sure that 00010101010101001100 would be ancient 
history 4 them.

Fate.

--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Mr. Worf  wrote:

From: Mr. Worf 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 4:58 PM
















  
  I haven't been through Yuma since I was a kid, but that is pretty far 
from that tunnel in LA! Binary may be a universal math language on this planet, 
but I'm sure that people elsewhere that are space travelers have thought up 
something that works better. 


On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Augustus Augustus  
wrote:


























Mr. Worf, 
a couple of the questions i can answer.  
first - he did not find his girlfriend in LA, he found her at MCAS Yuma 
(remember, he told her 2 pack a bag and 4 her and her son 2 come down 2 the 
base . ..so when him and connick flew over LA, connick said 
"man, i'm sure she made it out".  so it makes sense that he would go 2 Yuma.  

second - the computers, i  do not have a clue!  we  are always told that binary 
is the universal math.  what if that is not the case? 

--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Mr. Worf  wrote:


From: Mr. Worf 

Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Date:
 Thursday, May 14, 2009, 4:04 PM









  
  Yea, Independence day bugged the crap out of me too. I was thinking ok, 
where are the other planes and ground troops? How the hell could he find his 
girlfriend amongst all of the ruins of LA on a tank of gas in a helicopter? How 
the hell did the alien computers work like ours? Someone call JJ Abrams its 
time for a remake! :) 



On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 7:46 AM, Keith Johnson  
wrote:






















Call everyone I know...turn on the TV and radio to get news updates from both 
at once... take my laptop outside so I could watch the ship while surfing the 
Net for more news...check my emergency kit and plans (flashlight, batteries, 
snacks, bottled water, gas in car, tire pressure, map, escape route, clothes, 
etc.) in case things go bad, and we lose power as the invasion starts and I 
need to make a getaway to the mountains... get my Bible, pray to God all will 
be okay, and start pondering the impact on religious thought and culture as 
other beings with souls are finally discovered.. .



Incidentally, good question. One of my pet peeves with the movie "Independence 
Day"--which is not a fav of mine, actually--is Will Smith's reaction when the 
aliens appeared. While his girlfriend and everyone in his neighborhood was 
outside gawking at the ships, Smith is shown calmly shaving, as if nothing's 
all that amiss. I remember him telling Vivica Fox something like "They didn't 
come billions of light years just to kill us". I remember thinking it was such 
a phoney and obvious scene, in order to show just how cool this soon-to-be hero 
was. The unflappable military stud not even phased by one of  the greatest 
events in human history. But it range false to me...



- Original Message -
From: "Mr. Worf" 
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com


Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 1:18:44 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here


















  
  Early Sunday morning the sun is shining, birds chirping. You get out of 
bed, open the curtains and look out the window. Out over the horizon is a large 
floating ship about 2/3rds the size of the horizon. They are here. It finally 
happened. What would you do?





 

  































-- 
Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! 
Mahogany at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/mahogany_ pleasures_ of_darkness/




 

  


 




  























-- 
Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! 
Mahogany at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/mahogany_ pleasures_ of_darkness/



 

  




 

















  

Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here

[Mr. Worf]

I haven't been through Yuma since I was a kid, but that is pretty far from
that tunnel in LA! Binary may be a universal math language on this planet,
but I'm sure that people elsewhere that are space travelers have thought up
something that works better.

On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Augustus Augustus
wrote:

>
>
> Mr. Worf,
> a couple of the questions i can answer.
> first - he did not find his girlfriend in LA, he found her at MCAS Yuma
> (remember, he told her 2 pack a bag and 4 her and her son 2 come down 2 the
> base...so when him and connick flew over LA, connick said
> "man, i'm sure she made it out".  so it makes sense that he would go 2
> Yuma.
> second - the computers, i  do not have a clue!  we  are always told that
> binary is the universal math.  what if that is not the case?
>
> --- On *Thu, 5/14/09, Mr. Worf * wrote:
>
>
> From: Mr. Worf 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 4:04 PM
>
>  Yea, Independence day bugged the crap out of me too. I was thinking ok,
> where are the other planes and ground troops? How the hell could he find his
> girlfriend amongst all of the ruins of LA on a tank of gas in a helicopter?
> How the hell did the alien computers work like ours? Someone call JJ Abrams
> its time for a remake! :)
>
> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 7:46 AM, Keith Johnson  comcast.net
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Call everyone I know...turn on the TV and radio to get news updates from
>> both at once... take my laptop outside so I could watch the ship while
>> surfing the Net for more news...check my emergency kit and plans
>> (flashlight, batteries, snacks, bottled water, gas in car, tire pressure,
>> map, escape route, clothes, etc.) in case things go bad, and we lose power
>> as the invasion starts and I need to make a getaway to the mountains... get
>> my Bible, pray to God all will be okay, and start pondering the impact on
>> religious thought and culture as other beings with souls are finally
>> discovered.. .
>>
>> Incidentally, good question. One of my pet peeves with the movie
>> "Independence Day"--which is not a fav of mine, actually--is Will Smith's
>> reaction when the aliens appeared. While his girlfriend and everyone in his
>> neighborhood was outside gawking at the ships, Smith is shown calmly
>> shaving, as if nothing's all that amiss. I remember him telling Vivica Fox
>> something like "They didn't come billions of light years just to kill us". I
>> remember thinking it was such a phoney and obvious scene, in order to show
>> just how cool this soon-to-be hero was. The unflappable military stud not
>> even phased by one of  the greatest events in human history. But it range
>> false to me...
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Mr. Worf" > gmail.com
>> >
>> To: scifino...@yahoogro 
>> ups.com
>> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 1:18:44 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>> Subject: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here
>>
>>
>>
>> Early Sunday morning the sun is shining, birds chirping. You get out of
>> bed, open the curtains and look out the window. Out over the horizon is a
>> large floating ship about 2/3rds the size of the horizon. They are here. It
>> finally happened. What would you do?
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years!
> Mahogany at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/mahogany_ pleasures_
> of_darkness/
>
>
>
>
> 
>



-- 
Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years!
Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/

RE: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here

[Aubrey Leatherwood]

The amount of civilian and law enforcement on this group requires me to say... 
"Hey, man, I didn't do it!"

Aubrey Leatherwood
www.aubreyleatherwood.com
FaceBook * MySpace 

Imperfection
A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love... and perfect sex.
The People You Know, The Sex They Have
ROMANTIC TIMES NOMINEE FOR BEST CONTEMPORARY EROTICA 2008
ISBN: 978-0-9818905-0-0





 


To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 16:37:42 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here








Guys this is great! Apparently we have a wealth of military and civilian law 
enforcement experience in this group! T
You should chime in more with comments from your unique perspectives.  I know 
your experiences, knowledge, and viewpoints could enhance discussions on 
everything from how the people act on BSG to how teams are deployed in SG-1, to 
how often soldiers in real life get away with arguing with their commanders the 
way most scifi soldiers do. Those are angles we rarely discuss.
Keep up the great input! I find it fascinating!



- Original Message -
From: "George Arterberry" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 12:10:30 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here











I've been deployed to several theaters and trust me.war and an alien mothership 
first contact situation are two different things no matter what service you 
were a part of.

--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Augustus Augustus  wrote:


From: Augustus Augustus 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 11:07 AM









Keith,
 
i have 2 disagree with you on the Will Smith part of ID.  being a Marine myself 
(he only plays one in the movie), and having been 2 both Iraq and Afghanistan, 
u are trained 2 be level headed.  never go looking 4 a fight, and never assume 
that someone or something that is new is always out 2 kill u.  so in that 
scene, me and the Marines i saw it with were like, "yeah, he got that part 
totally correct."  we bitched about how he wore our uniform, but that is a 
separate issue.
 
Fate.

--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Keith Johnson  wrote:


From: Keith Johnson 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 10:46 AM





Call everyone I know...turn on the TV and radio to get news updates from both 
at once... take my laptop outside so I could watch the ship while surfing the 
Net for more news...check my emergency kit and plans (flashlight, batteries, 
snacks, bottled water, gas in car, tire pressure, map, escape route, clothes, 
etc.) in case things go bad, and we lose power as the invasion starts and I 
need to make a getaway to the mountains... get my Bible, pray to God all will 
be okay, and start pondering the impact on religious thought and culture as 
other beings with souls are finally discovered.. .

Incidentally, good question. One of my pet peeves with the movie "Independence 
Day"--which is not a fav of mine, actually--is Will Smith's reaction when the 
aliens appeared. While his girlfriend and everyone in his neighborhood was 
outside gawking at the ships, Smith is shown calmly shaving, as if nothing's 
all that amiss. I remember him telling Vivica Fox something like "They didn't 
come billions of light years just to kill us". I remember thinking it was such 
a phoney and obvious scene, in order to show just how cool this soon-to-be hero 
was. The unflappable military stud not even phased by one of  the greatest 
events in human history. But it range false to me...

- Original Message -
From: "Mr. Worf" 
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 1:18:44 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here







Early Sunday morning the sun is shining, birds chirping. You get out of bed, 
open the curtains and look out the window. Out over the horizon is a large 
floating ship about 2/3rds the size of the horizon. They are here. It finally 
happened. What would you do?














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Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here

[Augustus Augustus]

Mr. Worf, 
a couple of the questions i can answer.  
first - he did not find his girlfriend in LA, he found her at MCAS Yuma 
(remember, he told her 2 pack a bag and 4 her and her son 2 come down 2 the 
base...so when him and connick flew over LA, connick said "man, 
i'm sure she made it out".  so it makes sense that he would go 2 Yuma.  
second - the computers, i  do not have a clue!  we  are always told that binary 
is the universal math.  what if that is not the case? 

--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Mr. Worf  wrote:

From: Mr. Worf 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 4:04 PM
















  
  Yea, Independence day bugged the crap out of me too. I was thinking ok, 
where are the other planes and ground troops? How the hell could he find his 
girlfriend amongst all of the ruins of LA on a tank of gas in a helicopter? How 
the hell did the alien computers work like ours? Someone call JJ Abrams its 
time for a remake! :) 


On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 7:46 AM, Keith Johnson  
wrote:





















Call everyone I know...turn on the TV and radio to get news updates from both 
at once... take my laptop outside so I could watch the ship while surfing the 
Net for more news...check my emergency kit and plans (flashlight, batteries, 
snacks, bottled water, gas in car, tire pressure, map, escape route, clothes, 
etc.) in case things go bad, and we lose power as the invasion starts and I 
need to make a getaway to the mountains... get my Bible, pray to God all will 
be okay, and start pondering the impact on religious thought and culture as 
other beings with souls are finally discovered.. .


Incidentally, good question. One of my pet peeves with the movie "Independence 
Day"--which is not a fav of mine, actually--is Will Smith's reaction when the 
aliens appeared. While his girlfriend and everyone in his neighborhood was 
outside gawking at the ships, Smith is shown calmly shaving, as if nothing's 
all that amiss. I remember him telling Vivica Fox something like "They didn't 
come billions of light years just to kill us". I remember thinking it was such 
a phoney and obvious scene, in order to show just how cool this soon-to-be hero 
was. The unflappable military stud not even phased by one of  the greatest 
events in human history. But it range false to me...


- Original Message -
From: "Mr. Worf" 
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com

Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 1:18:44 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here


















  
  Early Sunday morning the sun is shining, birds chirping. You get out of 
bed, open the curtains and look out the window. Out over the horizon is a large 
floating ship about 2/3rds the size of the horizon. They are here. It finally 
happened. What would you do?




 

  































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Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here

[Mr. Worf]

Yea, Independence day bugged the crap out of me too. I was thinking ok,
where are the other planes and ground troops? How the hell could he find his
girlfriend amongst all of the ruins of LA on a tank of gas in a helicopter?
How the hell did the alien computers work like ours? Someone call JJ Abrams
its time for a remake! :)

On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 7:46 AM, Keith Johnson wrote:

>
>
> Call everyone I know...turn on the TV and radio to get news updates from
> both at once... take my laptop outside so I could watch the ship while
> surfing the Net for more news...check my emergency kit and plans
> (flashlight, batteries, snacks, bottled water, gas in car, tire pressure,
> map, escape route, clothes, etc.) in case things go bad, and we lose power
> as the invasion starts and I need to make a getaway to the mountains... get
> my Bible, pray to God all will be okay, and start pondering the impact on
> religious thought and culture as other beings with souls are finally
> discovered...
>
> Incidentally, good question. One of my pet peeves with the movie
> "Independence Day"--which is not a fav of mine, actually--is Will Smith's
> reaction when the aliens appeared. While his girlfriend and everyone in his
> neighborhood was outside gawking at the ships, Smith is shown calmly
> shaving, as if nothing's all that amiss. I remember him telling Vivica Fox
> something like "They didn't come billions of light years just to kill us". I
> remember thinking it was such a phoney and obvious scene, in order to show
> just how cool this soon-to-be hero was. The unflappable military stud not
> even phased by one of  the greatest events in human history. But it range
> false to me...
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mr. Worf" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 1:18:44 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here
>
>
>
> Early Sunday morning the sun is shining, birds chirping. You get out of
> bed, open the curtains and look out the window. Out over the horizon is a
> large floating ship about 2/3rds the size of the horizon. They are here. It
> finally happened. What would you do?
>
>
> 
>



-- 
Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years!
Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/

Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here

[Keith Johnson]

Ha! I'm probably more of a Sisko kind of person: serious, even sober at times 
to people who don't know me well, but a very fun and impulsive person all the 
same. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Augustus Augustus"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 1:34:45 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here 








o.k. Mr. Spock. 

--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Keith Johnson  wrote: 



From: Keith Johnson  
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 12:37 PM 





Guys this is great! Apparently we have a wealth of military and civilian law 
enforcement experience in this group! T 
You should chime in more with comments from your unique perspectives. I know 
your experiences, knowledge, and viewpoints could enhance discussions on 
everything from how the people act on BSG to how teams are deployed in SG-1, to 
how often soldiers in real life get away with arguing with their commanders the 
way most scifi soldiers do. Those are angles we rarely discuss. 
Keep up the great input! I find it fascinating! 



- Original Message - 
From: "George Arterberry"  
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 12:10:30 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here 








I've been deployed to several theaters and trust me.war and an alien 
mothership first contact situation are two different things no matter what 
service you were a part of. 

--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Augustus Augustus  wrote: 



From: Augustus Augustus  
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here 
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 11:07 AM 






Keith, 

i have 2 disagree with you on the Will Smith part of ID. being a Marine myself 
(he only plays one in the movie), and having been 2 both Iraq and Afghanistan, 
u are trained 2 be level headed. never go looking 4 a fight, and never assume 
that someone or something that is new is always out 2 kill u. so in that scene, 
me and the Marines i saw it with were like, "yeah, he got that part totally 
correct." we bitched about how he wore our uniform, but that is a separate 
issue. 

Fate. 

--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Keith Johnson  wrote: 



From: Keith Johnson  
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here 
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 10:46 AM 





Call everyone I know...turn on the TV and radio to get news updates from both 
at once... take my laptop outside so I could watch the ship while surfing the 
Net for more news...check my emergency kit and plans (flashlight, batteries, 
snacks, bottled water, gas in car, tire pressure, map, escape route, clothes, 
etc.) in case things go bad, and we lose power as the invasion starts and I 
need to make a getaway to the mountains... get my Bible, pray to God all will 
be okay, and start pondering the impact on religious thought and culture as 
other beings with souls are finally discovered.. . 

Incidentally, good question. One of my pet peeves with the movie "Independence 
Day"--which is not a fav of mine, actually--is Will Smith's reaction when the 
aliens appeared. While his girlfriend and everyone in his neighborhood was 
outside gawking at the ships, Smith is shown calmly shaving, as if nothing's 
all that amiss. I remember him telling Vivica Fox something like "They didn't 
come billions of light years just to kill us". I remember thinking it was such 
a phoney and obvious scene, in order to show just how cool this soon-to-be hero 
was. The unflappable military stud not even phased by one of the greatest 
events in human history. But it range false to me... 

- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf"  
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 1:18:44 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here 







Early Sunday morning the sun is shining, birds chirping. You get out of bed, 
open the curtains and look out the window. Out over the horizon is a large 
floating ship about 2/3rds the size of the horizon. They are here. It finally 
happened. What would you do? 

[scifinoir2] Re: LOST Finale *** SPOILERS***

[B. Smith]

I think the H-bomb reset will work but not in the way Daniel thought.

I totally sniffed out what was in the box but seeing it was still a shock. 
Still going back and piecing it together was great fun. Awesome twist. 

I have a feeling that Jacob will be back in an altered form. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "angelababycat"  wrote:
>
> I love this show, and although I've never been a fan of either Jack or Kate, 
> I still can't believe that everyone agreed that it was worth it to blow up an 
> entire island -- one with incredible, scientifically and anthropologically 
> unique characteristics, not to mention PEOPLE living on it -- just because 
> things didn't work out between Kate and him!  What does Jack know about the 
> effects of igniting a hydrogen bomb in a highly electromagnetically-charged 
> field (and/or giant time machine) anyway?  He didn't even know how the bomb 
> worked until Sayid explained it to him.  He's a doctor, not a quantum 
> physicist, darn it!
> 
> Why did Sawyer even let Jack get away with it?  Like Sawyer said, the past is 
> in the past.  Did Sawyer really want to get rid of blondie after all?  Jack 
> wasn't going to undo anything that already happened in the past or in the 
> future.
> 
> Furthermore, SOME good things did result from the Oceanic crash: Rose's 
> cancer is gone, John can walk again, Sawyer was a productive member of 
> society, that Aisan guy got to meet his father and find out why he really 
> sent his mother and him away, Mr. Eco made peace with his brother, Jack got 
> to meet the sister and nephew he never knew, the rocker kicked his heroin 
> addiction, Hurley almost lost some weight, and the list goes on...
> 
> Jack gets on my nerves with his self-righteous whining.  What's so great 
> about Kate's little sneaky behind anyway?  How much therapy do you need to 
> know that a nuclear strike is not the answer to a bad break-up?
> 
> I just had to get that off my chest.
> 
> (And Jacob, darling, the island's been vaporized, so I don't think anybody's 
> coming.)
> 
> Angela
>

[scifinoir2] LOST Finale *** SPOILERS***

[angelababycat]

I love this show, and although I've never been a fan of either Jack or Kate, I 
still can't believe that everyone agreed that it was worth it to blow up an 
entire island -- one with incredible, scientifically and anthropologically 
unique characteristics, not to mention PEOPLE living on it -- just because 
things didn't work out between Kate and him!  What does Jack know about the 
effects of igniting a hydrogen bomb in a highly electromagnetically-charged 
field (and/or giant time machine) anyway?  He didn't even know how the bomb 
worked until Sayid explained it to him.  He's a doctor, not a quantum 
physicist, darn it!

Why did Sawyer even let Jack get away with it?  Like Sawyer said, the past is 
in the past.  Did Sawyer really want to get rid of blondie after all?  Jack 
wasn't going to undo anything that already happened in the past or in the 
future.

Furthermore, SOME good things did result from the Oceanic crash: Rose's cancer 
is gone, John can walk again, Sawyer was a productive member of society, that 
Aisan guy got to meet his father and find out why he really sent his mother and 
him away, Mr. Eco made peace with his brother, Jack got to meet the sister and 
nephew he never knew, the rocker kicked his heroin addiction, Hurley almost 
lost some weight, and the list goes on...

Jack gets on my nerves with his self-righteous whining.  What's so great about 
Kate's little sneaky behind anyway?  How much therapy do you need to know that 
a nuclear strike is not the answer to a bad break-up?

I just had to get that off my chest.

(And Jacob, darling, the island's been vaporized, so I don't think anybody's 
coming.)

Angela

Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here

[Martin Baxter]

Fate,

I'm gonna hang the uniform issue on H'Wood rather than Will. The Corps probably 
didn't want/wouldn't allow total authenticity. I've noticed that, in a lot of 
SF movies, the Stars and Stripes are often worn bass-ackwards, a simple thing 
easily caught as inauthentic. (I know this because I watched ID4 once with my 
then fifteen-year-old cousin Corey Jr. He spotted it because his dad was a 
retired gunny himself.)





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 Date : Thu, 14 May 2009 08:07:38 -0700 (PDT)

 From : Augustus Augustus 

 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com


Keith,
 
i have 2 disagree with you on the Will Smith part of ID.  being a Marine myself 
(he only plays one in the movie), and having been 2 both Iraq and Afghanistan, 
u are trained 2 be level headed.  never go looking 4 a fight, and never assume 
that someone or something that is new is always out 2 kill u.  so in that 
scene, me and the Marines i saw it with were like, "yeah, he got that part 
totally correct."  we bitched about how he wore our uniform, but that is a 
separate issue.
 
Fate.

--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Keith Johnson  wrote:


From: Keith Johnson 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 10:46 AM









Call everyone I know...turn on the TV and radio to get news updates from both 
at once... take my laptop outside so I could watch the ship while surfing the 
Net for more news...check my emergency kit and plans (flashlight, batteries, 
snacks, bottled water, gas in car, tire pressure, map, escape route, clothes, 
etc.) in case things go bad, and we lose power as the invasion starts and I 
need to make a getaway to the mountains... get my Bible, pray to God all will 
be okay, and start pondering the impact on religious thought and culture as 
other beings with souls are finally discovered.. .

Incidentally, good question. One of my pet peeves with the movie "Independence 
Day"--which is not a fav of mine, actually--is Will Smith's reaction when the 
aliens appeared. While his girlfriend and everyone in his neighborhood was 
outside gawking at the ships, Smith is shown calmly shaving, as if nothing's 
all that amiss. I remember him telling Vivica Fox something like "They didn't 
come billions of light years just to kill us". I remember thinking it was such 
a phoney and obvious scene, in order to show just how cool this soon-to-be hero 
was. The unflappable military stud not even phased by one of  the greatest 
events in human history. But it range false to me...

- Original Message -
From: "Mr. Worf" 
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 1:18:44 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here







Early Sunday morning the sun is shining, birds chirping. You get out of bed, 
open the curtains and look out the window. Out over the horizon is a large 
floating ship about 2/3rds the size of the horizon. They are here. It finally 
happened. What would you do?

















 


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds

Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here

[Martin Baxter]

I hear you, Gunny.





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 Date : Thu, 14 May 2009 08:53:37 -0700 (PDT)

 From : Augustus Augustus 

 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com


O.K. let's start with Will in ID.  he is dragging the alien 2 a military base 
that he saw when he was being chased.  yes 4 all he know the earth could be 
under alien control, but that does not stop him from his duty.  his duty is get 
the alien (because he is alive) 2 his superiors.  as 4 the wise cracking 
because his friend (the highly enjoyable harry connick, jr.) that is a stress 
reliever.  u would be surprised 2 know the things we do in the middle of a fire 
fight.  u have 2 do something 2 keep your mind from cracking.  trust me, people 
shooting at u, bombs going off all around u, friends and comrades dying, or 
loosing limbs.  u have 2 do something 2 keep your sanity.  that is what jack 
o'neal would do.  speaking of SG:1, i really did like mcgyvers jack o'neal 
better than jack from the SG:M.
 
Fate 
Gunnery Sergeant Fate
2d Recon / 2d MarDiv
--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Keith Johnson  wrote:


From: Keith Johnson 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 11:38 AM









Knowing nothing about the service, I have to yield to your experience. But, 
being calm is one thing, but are you saying it's completely realistic that 
you'd go inside and just calmly shave while a damn flying saucer is hovering 
over your house?! Surely a Marine could be forgiven for hanging outside and at 
least assessing the situation, rather than staying inside with a "if something 
happens, I'll know" attitude?

But if you say that's par for the course, then let me bow down to you guys. 
Damn!

Okay, one more scene that irritated me. During the first big battle, Smith's 
best friend on Earth is killed. He's seen the USA's forces devastated, he's 
crash landed, and for all he knows, the world is now under alien control. Yet, 
as he's later dragging an unconscious alien across the desert in his 'chute, 
he's cracking wise. There was some joke like "all that's happened and I have to 
drag your stinky ugly behind across the desert".  I thought that too was a bit 
much. Even as a military man, shouldn't be be a little more-I don't know, 
somber--given he just saw his friend die? Is cracking jokes on that 
level--which elicited a whole bunch of guffaws in the audience--realistic ?
It reminded me of Jack O'Neil on SG-1, whose wisecracks in the face of danger 
started getting on my nerves, and I'm not even sure O'Neill would have been 
wisecracking like that so soon after such a battle and loss.

But then, I'm an idealistic, liberal writer, not a soldier...

- Original Message -
From: "Augustus Augustus" 
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 11:07:38 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here












Keith,
 
i have 2 disagree with you on the Will Smith part of ID.  being a Marine myself 
(he only plays one in the movie), and having been 2 both Iraq and Afghanistan, 
u are trained 2 be level headed.  never go looking 4 a fight, and never assume 
that someone or something that is new is always out 2 kill u.  so in that 
scene, me and the Marines i saw it with were like, "yeah, he got that part 
totally correct."  we bitched about how he wore our uniform, but that is a 
separate issue.
 
Fate.

--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Keith Johnson  wrote:


From: Keith Johnson 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 10:46 AM





Call everyone I know...turn on the TV and radio to get news updates from both 
at once... take my laptop outside so I could watch the ship while surfing the 
Net for more news...check my emergency kit and plans (flashlight, batteries, 
snacks, bottled water, gas in car, tire pressure, map, escape route, clothes, 
etc.) in case things go bad, and we lose power as the invasion starts and I 
need to make a getaway to the mountains... get my Bible, pray to God all will 
be okay, and start pondering the impact on religious thought and culture as 
other beings with souls are finally discovered.. .

Incidentally, good question. One of my pet peeves with the movie "Independence 
Day"--which is not a fav of mine, actually--is Will Smith's reaction when the 
aliens appeared. While his girlfriend and everyone in his neighborhood was 
outside gawking at the ships, Smith is shown calmly shaving, as if nothing's 
all that amiss. I remember him telling Vivica Fox something like "They didn't 
come billions of light years just to kill us". I remember thinking it was such 
a phoney and obvious scene, in order to show just how cool this soon-to-be hero 
was. The unflappable military stud not even phased by one of  the greatest 
events in human history. But it range false to me...

- Original Message -
From: "Mr.

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Did anyone hear about this

[Martin Baxter]

I'll get the books tomorrow, Saturday at the latest. That other...





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 From : Augustus Augustus 

 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com


Martin, make sure to pick up those 7 Final Crisis books.  We doing Star Trek 
2morrow?
 
Fate.

--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Martin Baxter  wrote:


From: Martin Baxter 
Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] Did anyone hear about this
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 11:42 AM












No, Fate, I didn't. I no longer subscribe to the paper (no content worthy of 
the cost, IMO, and it rarely makes it to my door, the criminal element in my 
neighborhood being what it is), but I will pick it up. I'm about to run out the 
door. Doesn't shock me, really, as he was adamant about doing that Shakespeare 
play with Patrick Stewart a couple of years ago.





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Subject : [scifinoir2] Did anyone hear about this
Date : Thu, 14 May 2009 07:28:26 -0700 (PDT)
>From : Augustus Augustus 
To : Sci Fi 

My favorite doctor - David Tennet, has just been named the new host of PBS's 
Masterpiece Theater.  It is in my morning edition of the Atlanta Jornal 
Constitution (Thursday, 14 May 2009).  
  
Fate. 





http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=JQdwk8Yntds 















 


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds

Re: [scifinoir2] Eye catching

[Augustus Augustus]

thanks Martin.

--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Martin Baxter  wrote:


From: Martin Baxter 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eye catching
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 11:38 AM












Reece, IMO, he deserves a reprieve, for delivering such quality!





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Date : Thu, 14 May 2009 15:24:59 +
>From : mcjennings124@ yahoo.com
To : "SciFi2" 

I have to wait until you're asleep. Then I'm going to kill you! 
Can't do it while you're awake. You're a Marine!!! 
LOL! 

Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T 

-Original Message- 
From: Augustus Augustus 

Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 08:14:42 
To: Sci Fi ; Sammie Bibb 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Eye catching 


A man is dining in a fancy restaurant and there is a gorgeous redhead 
sitting at the next table. He has been checking her out since he sat down, 
but lacks the nerve to talk with her. 
  
Suddenly she sneezes, and her glass eye comes flying out of its socket 
toward the man. He reflexively  reaches out, grabs it out of the air, and 
hands it back. 
  
'Oh my, I am so sorry,' the woman says as she pops her eye back in place. 
  
  
'Let me buy your dinner to make it up to you,' she says. 
  
  
They enjoy a wonderful dinner together, and afterwards they go to the 
theatre followed by drinks. They talk, they laugh, she shares her deepest 
dreams and he shares his. She listens. 
  
After paying for everything, she asks him if he would like to come to her 
place for a nightcap and stay for breakfast. They had a wonderful, wonderful 
time. 
  
The next morning, she cooks a gourmet meal with all the trimmings. The guy 
is amazed. Everything had been SO incredible! 
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
You know,' he said, 'you are the perfect woman. Are you this nice to every 
guy you meet?' 
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
'No,' she replies. . . 
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
Wait for it. . . 
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
It's coming. . . 
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
The suspense is killing you, isn't it? 
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
She says: 
  
  
  
  
  
'You just happened to catch my eye.' 
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
(Oh shut up, and just forward it!) 






http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=JQdwk8Yntds 















  

Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here

[Augustus Augustus]

o.k. Mr. Spock.

--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Keith Johnson  wrote:


From: Keith Johnson 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 12:37 PM









Guys this is great! Apparently we have a wealth of military and civilian law 
enforcement experience in this group! T
You should chime in more with comments from your unique perspectives.  I know 
your experiences, knowledge, and viewpoints could enhance discussions on 
everything from how the people act on BSG to how teams are deployed in SG-1, to 
how often soldiers in real life get away with arguing with their commanders the 
way most scifi soldiers do. Those are angles we rarely discuss.
Keep up the great input! I find it fascinating!



- Original Message -
From: "George Arterberry" 
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 12:10:30 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here











I've been deployed to several theaters and trust me.war and an alien mothership 
first contact situation are two different things no matter what service you 
were a part of.

--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Augustus Augustus  wrote:


From: Augustus Augustus 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 11:07 AM









Keith,
 
i have 2 disagree with you on the Will Smith part of ID.  being a Marine myself 
(he only plays one in the movie), and having been 2 both Iraq and Afghanistan, 
u are trained 2 be level headed.  never go looking 4 a fight, and never assume 
that someone or something that is new is always out 2 kill u.  so in that 
scene, me and the Marines i saw it with were like, "yeah, he got that part 
totally correct."  we bitched about how he wore our uniform, but that is a 
separate issue.
 
Fate.

--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Keith Johnson  wrote:


From: Keith Johnson 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 10:46 AM





Call everyone I know...turn on the TV and radio to get news updates from both 
at once... take my laptop outside so I could watch the ship while surfing the 
Net for more news...check my emergency kit and plans (flashlight, batteries, 
snacks, bottled water, gas in car, tire pressure, map, escape route, clothes, 
etc.) in case things go bad, and we lose power as the invasion starts and I 
need to make a getaway to the mountains... get my Bible, pray to God all will 
be okay, and start pondering the impact on religious thought and culture as 
other beings with souls are finally discovered.. .

Incidentally, good question. One of my pet peeves with the movie "Independence 
Day"--which is not a fav of mine, actually--is Will Smith's reaction when the 
aliens appeared. While his girlfriend and everyone in his neighborhood was 
outside gawking at the ships, Smith is shown calmly shaving, as if nothing's 
all that amiss. I remember him telling Vivica Fox something like "They didn't 
come billions of light years just to kill us". I remember thinking it was such 
a phoney and obvious scene, in order to show just how cool this soon-to-be hero 
was. The unflappable military stud not even phased by one of  the greatest 
events in human history. But it range false to me...

- Original Message -
From: "Mr. Worf" 
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 1:18:44 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here







Early Sunday morning the sun is shining, birds chirping. You get out of bed, 
open the curtains and look out the window. Out over the horizon is a large 
floating ship about 2/3rds the size of the horizon. They are here. It finally 
happened. What would you do?




















  

Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here

[Keith Johnson]

Guys this is great! Apparently we have a wealth of military and civilian law 
enforcement experience in this group! T 
You should chime in more with comments from your unique perspectives. I know 
your experiences, knowledge, and viewpoints could enhance discussions on 
everything from how the people act on BSG to how teams are deployed in SG-1, to 
how often soldiers in real life get away with arguing with their commanders the 
way most scifi soldiers do. Those are angles we rarely discuss. 
Keep up the great input! I find it fascinating! 



- Original Message - 
From: "George Arterberry"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 12:10:30 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here 








I've been deployed to several theaters and trust me.war and an alien mothership 
first contact situation are two different things no matter what service you 
were a part of. 

--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Augustus Augustus  wrote: 



From: Augustus Augustus  
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 11:07 AM 






Keith, 

i have 2 disagree with you on the Will Smith part of ID. being a Marine myself 
(he only plays one in the movie), and having been 2 both Iraq and Afghanistan, 
u are trained 2 be level headed. never go looking 4 a fight, and never assume 
that someone or something that is new is always out 2 kill u. so in that scene, 
me and the Marines i saw it with were like, "yeah, he got that part totally 
correct." we bitched about how he wore our uniform, but that is a separate 
issue. 

Fate. 

--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Keith Johnson  wrote: 



From: Keith Johnson  
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here 
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 10:46 AM 





Call everyone I know...turn on the TV and radio to get news updates from both 
at once... take my laptop outside so I could watch the ship while surfing the 
Net for more news...check my emergency kit and plans (flashlight, batteries, 
snacks, bottled water, gas in car, tire pressure, map, escape route, clothes, 
etc.) in case things go bad, and we lose power as the invasion starts and I 
need to make a getaway to the mountains... get my Bible, pray to God all will 
be okay, and start pondering the impact on religious thought and culture as 
other beings with souls are finally discovered.. . 

Incidentally, good question. One of my pet peeves with the movie "Independence 
Day"--which is not a fav of mine, actually--is Will Smith's reaction when the 
aliens appeared. While his girlfriend and everyone in his neighborhood was 
outside gawking at the ships, Smith is shown calmly shaving, as if nothing's 
all that amiss. I remember him telling Vivica Fox something like "They didn't 
come billions of light years just to kill us". I remember thinking it was such 
a phoney and obvious scene, in order to show just how cool this soon-to-be hero 
was. The unflappable military stud not even phased by one of the greatest 
events in human history. But it range false to me... 

- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf"  
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 1:18:44 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here 







Early Sunday morning the sun is shining, birds chirping. You get out of bed, 
open the curtains and look out the window. Out over the horizon is a large 
floating ship about 2/3rds the size of the horizon. They are here. It finally 
happened. What would you do? 

Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here

[Keith Johnson]

Maybe my continuity is wrong. I do remember his calm in telling his wife they 
didn't come so far to kill us and thinking he's way too cool. But I could 
easily be wrong, having seen it only once. The movie overall just didn't 
impress me, despite the great fights and FX. It was too lazy in writing, too 
reminiscent of stuff like "The Poseidon Adventure", too weak in its broad, 
cliched characterizatons. Reminded me of all those movies-of-the-week I used to 
watch on ABC in the afternoon. 

Now, I can sit back and enjoy a good popcorn movie as much as the next person. 
Loved "Face Off"...appreciate the silly kinetic action of the first 
"Transporter" film...really like the simple-but-effective fights and scifi of 
"The One", a movie I've seen at least half a dozen times... think "Deep Blue 
Sea" is a towering example of great campy scifi fun. I've seen it at least ten 
times, and still laugh every time Sam Jackson 's Kirk-like speech is rudely 
interrupted. 

Hell, I'm the guy who watches "The Warriors" every single time it airs on TV! 

But "Independence Day" just irritated me. Maybe it was the simple and 
unrealistic device of a computer virus on a floppy taking down a starfaring 
race. Maybe it was the overused scifi trope of aliens who tie *all* their 
ships' functionality into the mother ship's, making defeat real easy. Perhaps 
it was the incredibly groan-inducing scene when President Bill Pullman gives 
that Fourth of July speech and the world rallies behind him like sheep, as 
exemplified by the one Brit (?) pilot who says something like "Finally the 
Americans have a plan", as if the whole world is paralyzed until the US of A 
rises up to lead them. 

Whatever, it's just not well-written enough, or camp enough, to make me watch 
it again. And if you know anything about me, you know that me seeing a scifi 
movie only once is about as rare as finding wings on a pig. 


- Original Message - 
From: "Augustus Augustus"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 12:04:30 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here 









keith, 

at the time he was in the bathroom, he did not know the saucer was outside. 
remember, he did not see it until he went out 2 grab the paper. next scene, he 
is putting on his uniform heading back 2 MCAS (Marine Corps Air Station) Yuma, 
AZ. 

Fate. 

--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Keith Johnson  wrote: 



From: Keith Johnson  
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 11:41 AM 





I blathered on a bit in my reply, so let me be succinct: if nothing else, 
wouldn't you stay outside and assess the situation? Isn't there a type of calm, 
controlled readiness, a way of being on alert but not panicking or 
overreacting? That I get, but chilling out in the bathroom, completely ignoring 
the saucer, going throug normal routine, is that the way? Even as a soldier, 
I'd have thought he'd haver hurriedly thrown on his clothes, then hurried 
outside to assess, call the base and ask a bunch of questions etc. 
He acted more like a surfer dude. 

Maybe this is why I decided at the last minute not to join the military! :) 

Really appreciating your input and insight into a part of society in which I'm 
unfortunately not well versed. 


- Original Message - 
From: "Augustus Augustus"  
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 11:07:38 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here 









Keith, 

i have 2 disagree with you on the Will Smith part of ID. being a Marine myself 
(he only plays one in the movie), and having been 2 both Iraq and Afghanistan, 
u are trained 2 be level headed. never go looking 4 a fight, and never assume 
that someone or something that is new is always out 2 kill u. so in that scene, 
me and the Marines i saw it with were like, "yeah, he got that part totally 
correct." we bitched about how he wore our uniform, but that is a separate 
issue. 

Fate. 

--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Keith Johnson  wrote: 



From: Keith Johnson  
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here 
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 10:46 AM 





Call everyone I know...turn on the TV and radio to get news updates from both 
at once... take my laptop outside so I could watch the ship while surfing the 
Net for more news...check my emergency kit and plans (flashlight, batteries, 
snacks, bottled water, gas in car, tire pressure, map, escape route, clothes, 
etc.) in case things go bad, and we lose power as the invasion starts and I 
need to make a getaway to the mountains... get my Bible, pray to God all will 
be okay, and start pondering the impact on religious thought and culture as 
other beings with souls are finally discovered.. . 

Incidentally, good question. One of my pet peeves with the movie "Independence 
Day"--which is not a fav of mine, actually--is Will Smith's re

Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here

[Keith Johnson]

Very good points. As a writer, if writing a military scenario, I'd never have 
written characters like either Smith or O'Neal. Even though I can see writing 
characters who laugh in the face of danger, to my feeling, each kept going a 
bit too far in the wisecracks. But your experience and description of that 
mindset is food for thought. I need to incorporate it into my views of the 
world. 

And thanks to you for two things: First, for your service for all of us. Even 
those of us who disagree with some of the missions *always* respect those sent 
on them, and the sacrifices you make for a country you love. And second, for 
sharing that personal insight with us. I respect and appreciate you doing that. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Augustus Augustus"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 11:53:37 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here 









O.K. let's start with Will in ID. he is dragging the alien 2 a military base 
that he saw when he was being chased. yes 4 all he know the earth could be 
under alien control, but that does not stop him from his duty. his duty is get 
the alien (because he is alive) 2 his superiors. as 4 the wise cracking because 
his friend (the highly enjoyable harry connick, jr.) that is a stress reliever. 
u would be surprised 2 know the things we do in the middle of a fire fight. u 
have 2 do something 2 keep your mind from cracking. trust me, people shooting 
at u, bombs going off all around u, friends and comrades dying, or loosing 
limbs. u have 2 do something 2 keep your sanity. that is what jack o'neal would 
do. speaking of SG:1, i really did like mcgyvers jack o'neal better than jack 
from the SG:M. 

Fate 
Gunnery Sergeant Fate 
2d Recon / 2d MarDiv 
--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Keith Johnson  wrote: 



From: Keith Johnson  
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 11:38 AM 





Knowing nothing about the service, I have to yield to your experience. But, 
being calm is one thing, but are you saying it's completely realistic that 
you'd go inside and just calmly shave while a damn flying saucer is hovering 
over your house?! Surely a Marine could be forgiven for hanging outside and at 
least assessing the situation, rather than staying inside with a "if something 
happens, I'll know" attitude? 

But if you say that's par for the course, then let me bow down to you guys. 
Damn! 

Okay, one more scene that irritated me. During the first big battle, Smith's 
best friend on Earth is killed. He's seen the USA's forces devastated, he's 
crash landed, and for all he knows, the world is now under alien control. Yet, 
as he's later dragging an unconscious alien across the desert in his 'chute, 
he's cracking wise. There was some joke like "all that's happened and I have to 
drag your stinky ugly behind across the desert". I thought that too was a bit 
much. Even as a military man, shouldn't be be a little more-I don't know, 
somber--given he just saw his friend die? Is cracking jokes on that 
level--which elicited a whole bunch of guffaws in the audience--realistic ? 
It reminded me of Jack O'Neil on SG-1, whose wisecracks in the face of danger 
started getting on my nerves, and I'm not even sure O'Neill would have been 
wisecracking like that so soon after such a battle and loss. 

But then, I'm an idealistic, liberal writer, not a soldier... 

- Original Message - 
From: "Augustus Augustus"  
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 11:07:38 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here 









Keith, 

i have 2 disagree with you on the Will Smith part of ID. being a Marine myself 
(he only plays one in the movie), and having been 2 both Iraq and Afghanistan, 
u are trained 2 be level headed. never go looking 4 a fight, and never assume 
that someone or something that is new is always out 2 kill u. so in that scene, 
me and the Marines i saw it with were like, "yeah, he got that part totally 
correct." we bitched about how he wore our uniform, but that is a separate 
issue. 

Fate. 

--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Keith Johnson  wrote: 



From: Keith Johnson  
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here 
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 10:46 AM 





Call everyone I know...turn on the TV and radio to get news updates from both 
at once... take my laptop outside so I could watch the ship while surfing the 
Net for more news...check my emergency kit and plans (flashlight, batteries, 
snacks, bottled water, gas in car, tire pressure, map, escape route, clothes, 
etc.) in case things go bad, and we lose power as the invasion starts and I 
need to make a getaway to the mountains... get my Bible, pray to God all will 
be okay, and start pondering the impact on religious thought and culture as 
other beings with souls are finally discovered.. . 

Incide

Re: [scifinoir2] Eye catching

[Keith Johnson]

He's a Marine. Don't they sleep with one eye open, and a really nasty 
Klingon-type knife under their pillows? 

- Original Message - 
From: mcjennings...@yahoo.com 
To: "SciFi2"  
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 11:24:59 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eye catching 








I have to wait until you're asleep. Then I'm going to kill you! 
Can't do it while you're awake. You're a Marine!!! 
LOL! 


Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T 


>From : Augustus Augustus 
Date : Thu, 14 May 2009 08:14:42 -0700 (PDT) 
To : Sci Fi; Sammie Bibb 
Subject : [scifinoir2] Eye catching 







A man is dining in a fancy restaurant and there is a gorgeous redhead 

sitting at the next table. He has been checking her out since he sat down, 

but lacks the nerve to talk with her. 



Suddenly she sneezes, and her glass eye comes flying out of its socket 

toward the man. He reflexively reaches out, grabs it out of the air, and 

hands it back. 



'Oh my, I am so sorry,' the woman says as she pops her eye back in place. 





'Let me buy your dinner to make it up to you,' she says. 





They enjoy a wonderful dinner together, and afterwards they go to the 

theatre followed by drinks. They talk, they laugh, she shares her deepest 

dreams and he shares his. She listens. 



After paying for everything, she asks him if he would like to come to her 

place for a nightcap and stay for breakfast. They had a wonderful, wonderful 

time. 



The next morning, she cooks a gourmet meal with all the trimmings. The guy 

is amazed. Everything had been SO incredible! 















You know,' he said, 'you are the perfect woman. Are you this nice to every 

guy you meet?' 























'No,' she replies. . . 































Wait for it. . . 



































It's coming. . . 



































The suspense is killing you, isn't it? 



















































































She says: 











'You just happened to catch my eye.' 























(Oh shut up, and just forward it!) 

Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here

[George Arterberry]

I've been deployed to several theaters and trust me.war and an alien mothership 
first contact situation are two different things no matter what service you 
were a part of.

--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Augustus Augustus  wrote:


From: Augustus Augustus 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 11:07 AM













Keith,
 
i have 2 disagree with you on the Will Smith part of ID.  being a Marine myself 
(he only plays one in the movie), and having been 2 both Iraq and Afghanistan, 
u are trained 2 be level headed.  never go looking 4 a fight, and never assume 
that someone or something that is new is always out 2 kill u.  so in that 
scene, me and the Marines i saw it with were like, "yeah, he got that part 
totally correct."  we bitched about how he wore our uniform, but that is a 
separate issue.
 
Fate.

--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Keith Johnson  wrote:


From: Keith Johnson 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 10:46 AM





Call everyone I know...turn on the TV and radio to get news updates from both 
at once... take my laptop outside so I could watch the ship while surfing the 
Net for more news...check my emergency kit and plans (flashlight, batteries, 
snacks, bottled water, gas in car, tire pressure, map, escape route, clothes, 
etc.) in case things go bad, and we lose power as the invasion starts and I 
need to make a getaway to the mountains... get my Bible, pray to God all will 
be okay, and start pondering the impact on religious thought and culture as 
other beings with souls are finally discovered.. .

Incidentally, good question. One of my pet peeves with the movie "Independence 
Day"--which is not a fav of mine, actually--is Will Smith's reaction when the 
aliens appeared. While his girlfriend and everyone in his neighborhood was 
outside gawking at the ships, Smith is shown calmly shaving, as if nothing's 
all that amiss. I remember him telling Vivica Fox something like "They didn't 
come billions of light years just to kill us". I remember thinking it was such 
a phoney and obvious scene, in order to show just how cool this soon-to-be hero 
was. The unflappable military stud not even phased by one of  the greatest 
events in human history. But it range false to me...

- Original Message -
From: "Mr. Worf" 
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 1:18:44 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here







Early Sunday morning the sun is shining, birds chirping. You get out of bed, 
open the curtains and look out the window. Out over the horizon is a large 
floating ship about 2/3rds the size of the horizon. They are here. It finally 
happened. What would you do?


















  

Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here

[Augustus Augustus]

keith,
 
at the time he was in the bathroom, he did not know the saucer was outside.  
remember, he did not see it until he went out 2 grab the paper.  next scene, he 
is putting on his uniform heading back 2 MCAS (Marine Corps Air Station) Yuma, 
AZ.
 
Fate.

--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Keith Johnson  wrote:


From: Keith Johnson 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 11:41 AM









I blathered on a bit in my reply, so let me be succinct: if nothing else, 
wouldn't you stay outside and assess the situation? Isn't there a type of calm, 
controlled readiness, a way of being on alert but not panicking or 
overreacting? That I get, but chilling out in the bathroom, completely ignoring 
the saucer, going throug normal routine, is that the way? Even as a soldier, 
I'd have thought he'd haver hurriedly thrown on his clothes, then hurried 
outside to assess, call the base and ask a bunch of questions etc.
He acted more like a surfer dude.

Maybe this is why I decided at the last minute not to join the military!  :)

Really appreciating your input and insight into a part of society in which I'm 
unfortunately not well versed.


- Original Message -
From: "Augustus Augustus" 
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 11:07:38 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here












Keith,
 
i have 2 disagree with you on the Will Smith part of ID.  being a Marine myself 
(he only plays one in the movie), and having been 2 both Iraq and Afghanistan, 
u are trained 2 be level headed.  never go looking 4 a fight, and never assume 
that someone or something that is new is always out 2 kill u.  so in that 
scene, me and the Marines i saw it with were like, "yeah, he got that part 
totally correct."  we bitched about how he wore our uniform, but that is a 
separate issue.
 
Fate.

--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Keith Johnson  wrote:


From: Keith Johnson 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 10:46 AM





Call everyone I know...turn on the TV and radio to get news updates from both 
at once... take my laptop outside so I could watch the ship while surfing the 
Net for more news...check my emergency kit and plans (flashlight, batteries, 
snacks, bottled water, gas in car, tire pressure, map, escape route, clothes, 
etc.) in case things go bad, and we lose power as the invasion starts and I 
need to make a getaway to the mountains... get my Bible, pray to God all will 
be okay, and start pondering the impact on religious thought and culture as 
other beings with souls are finally discovered.. .

Incidentally, good question. One of my pet peeves with the movie "Independence 
Day"--which is not a fav of mine, actually--is Will Smith's reaction when the 
aliens appeared. While his girlfriend and everyone in his neighborhood was 
outside gawking at the ships, Smith is shown calmly shaving, as if nothing's 
all that amiss. I remember him telling Vivica Fox something like "They didn't 
come billions of light years just to kill us". I remember thinking it was such 
a phoney and obvious scene, in order to show just how cool this soon-to-be hero 
was. The unflappable military stud not even phased by one of  the greatest 
events in human history. But it range false to me...

- Original Message -
From: "Mr. Worf" 
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 1:18:44 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here







Early Sunday morning the sun is shining, birds chirping. You get out of bed, 
open the curtains and look out the window. Out over the horizon is a large 
floating ship about 2/3rds the size of the horizon. They are here. It finally 
happened. What would you do?



















  

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Did anyone hear about this

[Augustus Augustus]

Martin, make sure to pick up those 7 Final Crisis books.  We doing Star Trek 
2morrow?
 
Fate.

--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Martin Baxter  wrote:


From: Martin Baxter 
Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] Did anyone hear about this
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 11:42 AM












No, Fate, I didn't. I no longer subscribe to the paper (no content worthy of 
the cost, IMO, and it rarely makes it to my door, the criminal element in my 
neighborhood being what it is), but I will pick it up. I'm about to run out the 
door. Doesn't shock me, really, as he was adamant about doing that Shakespeare 
play with Patrick Stewart a couple of years ago.





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Subject : [scifinoir2] Did anyone hear about this
Date : Thu, 14 May 2009 07:28:26 -0700 (PDT)
>From : Augustus Augustus 
To : Sci Fi 

My favorite doctor - David Tennet, has just been named the new host of PBS's 
Masterpiece Theater.  It is in my morning edition of the Atlanta Jornal 
Constitution (Thursday, 14 May 2009).  
  
Fate. 





http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=JQdwk8Yntds 















  

Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here

[Augustus Augustus]

O.K. let's start with Will in ID.  he is dragging the alien 2 a military base 
that he saw when he was being chased.  yes 4 all he know the earth could be 
under alien control, but that does not stop him from his duty.  his duty is get 
the alien (because he is alive) 2 his superiors.  as 4 the wise cracking 
because his friend (the highly enjoyable harry connick, jr.) that is a stress 
reliever.  u would be surprised 2 know the things we do in the middle of a fire 
fight.  u have 2 do something 2 keep your mind from cracking.  trust me, people 
shooting at u, bombs going off all around u, friends and comrades dying, or 
loosing limbs.  u have 2 do something 2 keep your sanity.  that is what jack 
o'neal would do.  speaking of SG:1, i really did like mcgyvers jack o'neal 
better than jack from the SG:M.
 
Fate 
Gunnery Sergeant Fate
2d Recon / 2d MarDiv
--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Keith Johnson  wrote:


From: Keith Johnson 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 11:38 AM









Knowing nothing about the service, I have to yield to your experience. But, 
being calm is one thing, but are you saying it's completely realistic that 
you'd go inside and just calmly shave while a damn flying saucer is hovering 
over your house?! Surely a Marine could be forgiven for hanging outside and at 
least assessing the situation, rather than staying inside with a "if something 
happens, I'll know" attitude?

But if you say that's par for the course, then let me bow down to you guys. 
Damn!

Okay, one more scene that irritated me. During the first big battle, Smith's 
best friend on Earth is killed. He's seen the USA's forces devastated, he's 
crash landed, and for all he knows, the world is now under alien control. Yet, 
as he's later dragging an unconscious alien across the desert in his 'chute, 
he's cracking wise. There was some joke like "all that's happened and I have to 
drag your stinky ugly behind across the desert".  I thought that too was a bit 
much. Even as a military man, shouldn't be be a little more-I don't know, 
somber--given he just saw his friend die? Is cracking jokes on that 
level--which elicited a whole bunch of guffaws in the audience--realistic ?
It reminded me of Jack O'Neil on SG-1, whose wisecracks in the face of danger 
started getting on my nerves, and I'm not even sure O'Neill would have been 
wisecracking like that so soon after such a battle and loss.

But then, I'm an idealistic, liberal writer, not a soldier...

- Original Message -
From: "Augustus Augustus" 
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 11:07:38 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here












Keith,
 
i have 2 disagree with you on the Will Smith part of ID.  being a Marine myself 
(he only plays one in the movie), and having been 2 both Iraq and Afghanistan, 
u are trained 2 be level headed.  never go looking 4 a fight, and never assume 
that someone or something that is new is always out 2 kill u.  so in that 
scene, me and the Marines i saw it with were like, "yeah, he got that part 
totally correct."  we bitched about how he wore our uniform, but that is a 
separate issue.
 
Fate.

--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Keith Johnson  wrote:


From: Keith Johnson 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 10:46 AM





Call everyone I know...turn on the TV and radio to get news updates from both 
at once... take my laptop outside so I could watch the ship while surfing the 
Net for more news...check my emergency kit and plans (flashlight, batteries, 
snacks, bottled water, gas in car, tire pressure, map, escape route, clothes, 
etc.) in case things go bad, and we lose power as the invasion starts and I 
need to make a getaway to the mountains... get my Bible, pray to God all will 
be okay, and start pondering the impact on religious thought and culture as 
other beings with souls are finally discovered.. .

Incidentally, good question. One of my pet peeves with the movie "Independence 
Day"--which is not a fav of mine, actually--is Will Smith's reaction when the 
aliens appeared. While his girlfriend and everyone in his neighborhood was 
outside gawking at the ships, Smith is shown calmly shaving, as if nothing's 
all that amiss. I remember him telling Vivica Fox something like "They didn't 
come billions of light years just to kill us". I remember thinking it was such 
a phoney and obvious scene, in order to show just how cool this soon-to-be hero 
was. The unflappable military stud not even phased by one of  the greatest 
events in human history. But it range false to me...

- Original Message -
From: "Mr. Worf" 
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 1:18:44 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here







Early Sunday morning the sun is shining, birds chirping. You get out of

[RE][scifinoir2] Did anyone hear about this

[Martin Baxter]

No, Fate, I didn't. I no longer subscribe to the paper (no content worthy of 
the cost, IMO, and it rarely makes it to my door, the criminal element in my 
neighborhood being what it is), but I will pick it up. I'm about to run out the 
door. Doesn't shock me, really, as he was adamant about doing that Shakespeare 
play with Patrick Stewart a couple of years ago.





-[ Received Mail Content ]--

 Subject : [scifinoir2] Did anyone hear about this

 Date : Thu, 14 May 2009 07:28:26 -0700 (PDT)

 From : Augustus Augustus 

 To : Sci Fi 


My favorite doctor - David Tennet, has just been named the new host of PBS's 
Masterpiece Theater.  It is in my morning edition of the Atlanta Jornal 
Constitution (Thursday, 14 May 2009).  
 
Fate.


 


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds

Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here

[Keith Johnson]

I blathered on a bit in my reply, so let me be succinct: if nothing else, 
wouldn't you stay outside and assess the situation? Isn't there a type of calm, 
controlled readiness, a way of being on alert but not panicking or 
overreacting? That I get, but chilling out in the bathroom, completely ignoring 
the saucer, going throug normal routine, is that the way? Even as a soldier, 
I'd have thought he'd haver hurriedly thrown on his clothes, then hurried 
outside to assess, call the base and ask a bunch of questions etc. 
He acted more like a surfer dude. 

Maybe this is why I decided at the last minute not to join the military! :) 

Really appreciating your input and insight into a part of society in which I'm 
unfortunately not well versed. 


- Original Message - 
From: "Augustus Augustus"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 11:07:38 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here 









Keith, 

i have 2 disagree with you on the Will Smith part of ID. being a Marine myself 
(he only plays one in the movie), and having been 2 both Iraq and Afghanistan, 
u are trained 2 be level headed. never go looking 4 a fight, and never assume 
that someone or something that is new is always out 2 kill u. so in that scene, 
me and the Marines i saw it with were like, "yeah, he got that part totally 
correct." we bitched about how he wore our uniform, but that is a separate 
issue. 

Fate. 

--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Keith Johnson  wrote: 



From: Keith Johnson  
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 10:46 AM 





Call everyone I know...turn on the TV and radio to get news updates from both 
at once... take my laptop outside so I could watch the ship while surfing the 
Net for more news...check my emergency kit and plans (flashlight, batteries, 
snacks, bottled water, gas in car, tire pressure, map, escape route, clothes, 
etc.) in case things go bad, and we lose power as the invasion starts and I 
need to make a getaway to the mountains... get my Bible, pray to God all will 
be okay, and start pondering the impact on religious thought and culture as 
other beings with souls are finally discovered.. . 

Incidentally, good question. One of my pet peeves with the movie "Independence 
Day"--which is not a fav of mine, actually--is Will Smith's reaction when the 
aliens appeared. While his girlfriend and everyone in his neighborhood was 
outside gawking at the ships, Smith is shown calmly shaving, as if nothing's 
all that amiss. I remember him telling Vivica Fox something like "They didn't 
come billions of light years just to kill us". I remember thinking it was such 
a phoney and obvious scene, in order to show just how cool this soon-to-be hero 
was. The unflappable military stud not even phased by one of the greatest 
events in human history. But it range false to me... 

- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf"  
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 1:18:44 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here 







Early Sunday morning the sun is shining, birds chirping. You get out of bed, 
open the curtains and look out the window. Out over the horizon is a large 
floating ship about 2/3rds the size of the horizon. They are here. It finally 
happened. What would you do? 

Re: [scifinoir2] Eye catching

[Augustus Augustus]

now THAT is funny!

--- On Thu, 5/14/09, mcjennings...@yahoo.com  wrote:


From: mcjennings...@yahoo.com 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Eye catching
To: "SciFi2" 
Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 11:24 AM








I have to wait until you're asleep. Then I'm going to kill you!
Can't do it while you're awake. You're a Marine!!!
LOL!

Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T


From: Augustus Augustus 
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 08:14:42 -0700 (PDT)
To: Sci Fi; Sammie Bibb
Subject: [scifinoir2] Eye catching








A man is dining in a fancy restaurant and there is a gorgeous redhead
sitting at the next table. He has been checking her out since he sat down,
but lacks the nerve to talk with her. 
 
Suddenly she sneezes, and her glass eye comes flying out of its socket
toward the man. He reflexively  reaches out, grabs it out of the air, and
hands it back. 
 
'Oh my, I am so sorry,' the woman says as she pops her eye back in place. 
 
 
'Let me buy your dinner to make it up to you,' she says. 
 
 
They enjoy a wonderful dinner together, and afterwards they go to the
theatre followed by drinks. They talk, they laugh, she shares her deepest
dreams and he shares his. She listens. 
 
After paying for everything, she asks him if he would like to come to her
place for a nightcap and stay for breakfast. They had a wonderful, wonderful
time. 
 
The next morning, she cooks a gourmet meal with all the trimmings. The guy
is amazed. Everything had been SO incredible!
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
You know,' he said, 'you are the perfect woman. Are you this nice to every
guy you meet?' 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
'No,' she replies. . .
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Wait for it. . .
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
It's coming. . .
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
The suspense is killing you, isn't it? 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
She says: 
 
 
 
 
 
'You just happened to catch my eye.' 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
(Oh shut up, and just forward it!) 
















  

Re: [scifinoir2] Eye catching

[Martin Baxter]

Reece, IMO, he deserves a reprieve, for delivering such quality!





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 Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Eye catching

 Date : Thu, 14 May 2009 15:24:59 +

 From : mcjennings...@yahoo.com

 To : "SciFi2" 


I have to wait until you're asleep. Then I'm going to kill you!
Can't do it while you're awake. You're a Marine!!!
LOL!

Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-Original Message-
From: Augustus Augustus 

Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 08:14:42 
To: Sci Fi; Sammie Bibb
Subject: [scifinoir2] Eye catching


A man is dining in a fancy restaurant and there is a gorgeous redhead
sitting at the next table. He has been checking her out since he sat down,
but lacks the nerve to talk with her. 
 
Suddenly she sneezes, and her glass eye comes flying out of its socket
toward the man. He reflexively  reaches out, grabs it out of the air, and
hands it back. 
 
'Oh my, I am so sorry,' the woman says as she pops her eye back in place. 
 
 
'Let me buy your dinner to make it up to you,' she says. 
 
 
They enjoy a wonderful dinner together, and afterwards they go to the
theatre followed by drinks. They talk, they laugh, she shares her deepest
dreams and he shares his. She listens. 
 
After paying for everything, she asks him if he would like to come to her
place for a nightcap and stay for breakfast. They had a wonderful, wonderful
time. 
 
The next morning, she cooks a gourmet meal with all the trimmings. The guy
is amazed. Everything had been SO incredible!
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
You know,' he said, 'you are the perfect woman. Are you this nice to every
guy you meet?' 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
'No,' she replies. . .
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Wait for it. . .
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
It's coming. . .
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
The suspense is killing you, isn't it? 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
She says: 
 
 
 
 
 
'You just happened to catch my eye.' 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
(Oh shut up, and just forward it!) 


 



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds

Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here

[Keith Johnson]

Knowing nothing about the service, I have to yield to your experience. But, 
being calm is one thing, but are you saying it's completely realistic that 
you'd go inside and just calmly shave while a damn flying saucer is hovering 
over your house?! Surely a Marine could be forgiven for hanging outside and at 
least assessing the situation, rather than staying inside with a "if something 
happens, I'll know" attitude? 

But if you say that's par for the course, then let me bow down to you guys. 
Damn! 

Okay, one more scene that irritated me. During the first big battle, Smith's 
best friend on Earth is killed. He's seen the USA's forces devastated, he's 
crash landed, and for all he knows, the world is now under alien control. Yet, 
as he's later dragging an unconscious alien across the desert in his 'chute, 
he's cracking wise. There was some joke like "all that's happened and I have to 
drag your stinky ugly behind across the desert". I thought that too was a bit 
much. Even as a military man, shouldn't be be a little more-I don't know, 
somber--given he just saw his friend die? Is cracking jokes on that 
level--which elicited a whole bunch of guffaws in the audience--realistic? 
It reminded me of Jack O'Neil on SG-1, whose wisecracks in the face of danger 
started getting on my nerves, and I'm not even sure O'Neill would have been 
wisecracking like that so soon after such a battle and loss. 

But then, I'm an idealistic, liberal writer, not a soldier... 

- Original Message - 
From: "Augustus Augustus"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 11:07:38 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here 









Keith, 

i have 2 disagree with you on the Will Smith part of ID. being a Marine myself 
(he only plays one in the movie), and having been 2 both Iraq and Afghanistan, 
u are trained 2 be level headed. never go looking 4 a fight, and never assume 
that someone or something that is new is always out 2 kill u. so in that scene, 
me and the Marines i saw it with were like, "yeah, he got that part totally 
correct." we bitched about how he wore our uniform, but that is a separate 
issue. 

Fate. 

--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Keith Johnson  wrote: 



From: Keith Johnson  
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 10:46 AM 





Call everyone I know...turn on the TV and radio to get news updates from both 
at once... take my laptop outside so I could watch the ship while surfing the 
Net for more news...check my emergency kit and plans (flashlight, batteries, 
snacks, bottled water, gas in car, tire pressure, map, escape route, clothes, 
etc.) in case things go bad, and we lose power as the invasion starts and I 
need to make a getaway to the mountains... get my Bible, pray to God all will 
be okay, and start pondering the impact on religious thought and culture as 
other beings with souls are finally discovered.. . 

Incidentally, good question. One of my pet peeves with the movie "Independence 
Day"--which is not a fav of mine, actually--is Will Smith's reaction when the 
aliens appeared. While his girlfriend and everyone in his neighborhood was 
outside gawking at the ships, Smith is shown calmly shaving, as if nothing's 
all that amiss. I remember him telling Vivica Fox something like "They didn't 
come billions of light years just to kill us". I remember thinking it was such 
a phoney and obvious scene, in order to show just how cool this soon-to-be hero 
was. The unflappable military stud not even phased by one of the greatest 
events in human history. But it range false to me... 

- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf"  
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 1:18:44 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here 







Early Sunday morning the sun is shining, birds chirping. You get out of bed, 
open the curtains and look out the window. Out over the horizon is a large 
floating ship about 2/3rds the size of the horizon. They are here. It finally 
happened. What would you do? 

Re: [scifinoir2] Eye catching

[mcjennings124]

I have to wait until you're asleep.  Then I'm going to kill you!
Can't do it while you're awake. You're a Marine!!!
LOL!

Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-Original Message-
From: Augustus Augustus 

Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 08:14:42 
To: Sci Fi; Sammie Bibb
Subject: [scifinoir2] Eye catching


A man is dining in a fancy restaurant and there is a gorgeous redhead
sitting at the next table. He has been checking her out since he sat down,
but lacks the nerve to talk with her. 
 
Suddenly she sneezes, and her glass eye comes flying out of its socket
toward the man. He reflexively  reaches out, grabs it out of the air, and
hands it back. 
 
'Oh my, I am so sorry,' the woman says as she pops her eye back in place. 
 
 
'Let me buy your dinner to make it up to you,' she says. 
 
 
They enjoy a wonderful dinner together, and afterwards they go to the
theatre followed by drinks. They talk, they laugh, she shares her deepest
dreams and he shares his. She listens. 
 
After paying for everything, she asks him if he would like to come to her
place for a nightcap and stay for breakfast. They had a wonderful, wonderful
time. 
 
The next morning, she cooks a gourmet meal with all the trimmings. The guy
is amazed. Everything had been SO incredible!
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
You know,' he said, 'you are the perfect woman. Are you this nice to every
guy you meet?' 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
'No,' she replies. . .
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Wait for it. . .
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
It's coming. . .
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
The suspense is killing you, isn't it? 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
She says: 
 
 
 
 
 
'You just happened to catch my eye.' 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
(Oh shut up, and just forward it!) 


  

[scifinoir2] Eye catching

[Augustus Augustus]

A man is dining in a fancy restaurant and there is a gorgeous redhead
sitting at the next table. He has been checking her out since he sat down,
but lacks the nerve to talk with her. 
 
Suddenly she sneezes, and her glass eye comes flying out of its socket
toward the man. He reflexively  reaches out, grabs it out of the air, and
hands it back. 
 
'Oh my, I am so sorry,' the woman says as she pops her eye back in place. 
 
 
'Let me buy your dinner to make it up to you,' she says. 
 
 
They enjoy a wonderful dinner together, and afterwards they go to the
theatre followed by drinks. They talk, they laugh, she shares her deepest
dreams and he shares his. She listens. 
 
After paying for everything, she asks him if he would like to come to her
place for a nightcap and stay for breakfast. They had a wonderful, wonderful
time. 
 
The next morning, she cooks a gourmet meal with all the trimmings. The guy
is amazed. Everything had been SO incredible!
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
You know,' he said, 'you are the perfect woman. Are you this nice to every
guy you meet?' 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
'No,' she replies. . .
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Wait for it. . .
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
It's coming. . .
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
The suspense is killing you, isn't it? 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
She says: 
 
 
 
 
 
'You just happened to catch my eye.' 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
(Oh shut up, and just forward it!) 


  

Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here

[Augustus Augustus]

Keith,
 
i have 2 disagree with you on the Will Smith part of ID.  being a Marine myself 
(he only plays one in the movie), and having been 2 both Iraq and Afghanistan, 
u are trained 2 be level headed.  never go looking 4 a fight, and never assume 
that someone or something that is new is always out 2 kill u.  so in that 
scene, me and the Marines i saw it with were like, "yeah, he got that part 
totally correct."  we bitched about how he wore our uniform, but that is a 
separate issue.
 
Fate.

--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Keith Johnson  wrote:


From: Keith Johnson 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 10:46 AM









Call everyone I know...turn on the TV and radio to get news updates from both 
at once... take my laptop outside so I could watch the ship while surfing the 
Net for more news...check my emergency kit and plans (flashlight, batteries, 
snacks, bottled water, gas in car, tire pressure, map, escape route, clothes, 
etc.) in case things go bad, and we lose power as the invasion starts and I 
need to make a getaway to the mountains... get my Bible, pray to God all will 
be okay, and start pondering the impact on religious thought and culture as 
other beings with souls are finally discovered.. .

Incidentally, good question. One of my pet peeves with the movie "Independence 
Day"--which is not a fav of mine, actually--is Will Smith's reaction when the 
aliens appeared. While his girlfriend and everyone in his neighborhood was 
outside gawking at the ships, Smith is shown calmly shaving, as if nothing's 
all that amiss. I remember him telling Vivica Fox something like "They didn't 
come billions of light years just to kill us". I remember thinking it was such 
a phoney and obvious scene, in order to show just how cool this soon-to-be hero 
was. The unflappable military stud not even phased by one of  the greatest 
events in human history. But it range false to me...

- Original Message -
From: "Mr. Worf" 
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 1:18:44 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here







Early Sunday morning the sun is shining, birds chirping. You get out of bed, 
open the curtains and look out the window. Out over the horizon is a large 
floating ship about 2/3rds the size of the horizon. They are here. It finally 
happened. What would you do?

















  

Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here

[Keith Johnson]

Call everyone I know...turn on the TV and radio to get news updates from both 
at once... take my laptop outside so I could watch the ship while surfing the 
Net for more news...check my emergency kit and plans (flashlight, batteries, 
snacks, bottled water, gas in car, tire pressure, map, escape route, clothes, 
etc.) in case things go bad, and we lose power as the invasion starts and I 
need to make a getaway to the mountains... get my Bible, pray to God all will 
be okay, and start pondering the impact on religious thought and culture as 
other beings with souls are finally discovered... 

Incidentally, good question. One of my pet peeves with the movie "Independence 
Day"--which is not a fav of mine, actually--is Will Smith's reaction when the 
aliens appeared. While his girlfriend and everyone in his neighborhood was 
outside gawking at the ships, Smith is shown calmly shaving, as if nothing's 
all that amiss. I remember him telling Vivica Fox something like "They didn't 
come billions of light years just to kill us". I remember thinking it was such 
a phoney and obvious scene, in order to show just how cool this soon-to-be hero 
was. The unflappable military stud not even phased by one of the greatest 
events in human history. But it range false to me... 

- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 1:18:44 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here 








Early Sunday morning the sun is shining, birds chirping. You get out of bed, 
open the curtains and look out the window. Out over the horizon is a large 
floating ship about 2/3rds the size of the horizon. They are here. It finally 
happened. What would you do? 

[scifinoir2] Did anyone hear about this

[Augustus Augustus]

My favorite doctor - David Tennet, has just been named the new host of PBS's 
Masterpiece Theater.  It is in my morning edition of the Atlanta Jornal 
Constitution (Thursday, 14 May 2009).  
 
Fate.


  

Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here

[Omari Confer]

I wouldnt do anything different. The world will worry enough for me.

On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 6:26 AM, Martin Baxter wrote:

> I'd also stick my head out my front door from time to time, hoping to catch
> side of them myself. If I did, I'd start my own dialogue with them.
>
>
>
>
>
> -[ Received Mail Content ]--
>
>  Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here
>
>  Date : Thu, 14 May 2009 02:41:06 EDT
>
>  From : gwashin...@aol.com
>
>  To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>
>
> In a message dated 5/14/09 1:19:13 AM, hellomahog...@gmail.com writes:
>
>
> >
> >
> > Early Sunday morning the sun is shining, birds chirping. You get out of
> > bed, open the curtains and look out the window. Out over the horizon is a
> > large floating ship about 2/3rds the size of the horizon. They are here.
> It
> > finally happened. What would you do?
> >
>
> Turn on the BBC, and hit the internet for more news on whats happening. I
> wouldn't freak out-yet (after all these guys could be like ST's
> Federation).
>
>
> -GTW
>
>
> **
> Dell Mini Netbooks: Great deals starting at $299 after
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Re: [RE][scifinoir2] The fate of Black America in Star Trek canon

[Martin Baxter]

(standing ovation)





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 Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] The fate of Black America in Star Trek canon

 Date : Wed, 13 May 2009 20:35:18 -0700

 From : "Mr. Worf" 

 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com


I think that the Star trek stories all stem from the Eugenics wars that
happen at the latter part of the 20th century. (where the plotline from the
Wrath of Khan and Khan star trek episode came from) In the wars a group of
scientists created a new "master race" that eventually climaxed in a war
against everyone else. Khan and his people survived after launching
themselves into space.

However, I think a lot of this stuff has more to do with Hollywood racism in
casting. If you look at non-star trek scifi you still see few people of
color in movies. Perfect all white utopian societies full of white people.
Although the number of white people on the planet is considerably small.
That is truly a fantasy at work.

On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Martin Baxter wrote:

> And brilliant thoughts they are, George.
>
> In most Dystopian novels/movies I've seen in which there are no people of
> color, I always think that they did what I would do in such a sitch -- get
> the first available transport as far away from the combat zne as possible.
> Australia is my first thought. And I await that weaving myself with joy.
>
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> Subject : [scifinoir2] The fate of Black America in Star Trek canon
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> Date : Tue, 12 May 2009 15:11:42 -0700 (PDT)
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> From : George Arterberry 
>
> To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>
>
> Was the majority of "us" wiped out in WW3? Remember in most novels Black
> characters were from the United States of Africa.I know I know, but its
> interesting that no novel has been written yet by a Black author.
>
>
>
> Would love to see how President obama is woven into the Trek universe?
> There is a Black woman president added to Mount Rushmore that never made ST
> V final cut.
>
> Just thinking out loud.
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds




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Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here

[Martin Baxter]

I'd also stick my head out my front door from time to time, hoping to catch 
side of them myself. If I did, I'd start my own dialogue with them.





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 Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here

 Date : Thu, 14 May 2009 02:41:06 EDT

 From : gwashin...@aol.com

 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com


In a message dated 5/14/09 1:19:13 AM, hellomahog...@gmail.com writes:


> 
> 
> Early Sunday morning the sun is shining, birds chirping. You get out of 
> bed, open the curtains and look out the window. Out over the horizon is a 
> large floating ship about 2/3rds the size of the horizon. They are here. It 
> finally happened. What would you do?
> 

Turn on the BBC, and hit the internet for more news on whats happening. I 
wouldn't freak out-yet (after all these guys could be like ST's 
Federation).


-GTW


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Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here

[George Arterberry]

Pray like hell, especially if its the lead scout ship for an invasion.

--- On Thu, 5/14/09, gwashin...@aol.com  wrote:

From: gwashin...@aol.com 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: They are here
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 2:41 AM











 











  
  

In a message dated 5/14/09 1:19:13 AM, HelloMahogany@ gmail.com writes:









Early Sunday morning the sun is shining, birds chirping. You get out of bed, 
open the curtains and look out the window. Out over the horizon is a large 
floating ship about 2/3rds the size of the horizon. They are here. It finally 
happened. What would you do?





Turn on the BBC, and hit the internet for more news on whats happening.   I 
wouldn't freak out-yet (after all these guys could be like ST's Federation).





-GTW


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