Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo?

[Mr. Worf]

I agree. That is kind of what I was thinking about when I replied. The
existence of life on this planet, and how humans evolved, etc. all
contributed to you being here right now. Not to mention the random events
that may have happened in your life to make you who you are.

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:51 PM, Omari Confer wrote:

> You all assume that there would be an alternate you. The percentages of
> genetic material traded during conception is a random concept. This supposed
> theme assumes we as persnalities would be intact. We assume too much I
> think...
>
> c w m
> -
> Keith Johnson wrote:
>
> I think the idea is that if you venture too far from the basic pattern--the
> species, etc.--it's no longer "you". After all, the idea is parallel
> universes--alternate realities. So, you could, in some universe, be a gay
> cowboy running dilithium ore on a space barge, but the genetic makeup would
> still be "you". If you were, say, a giant crab creature, it wouldn't be you,
> it'd be someone else. The idea here is that the physical and mental selves
> are just variations on a basic theme.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mr. Worf" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 11:16:45 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo?
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> Exactly! There could be so many other alternate versions. Would they still
> be "you??" What if he went to an alternate universe and he was his
> anti-matter self? Or instead of humans evolving from something similar to
> apes, we were evolved from caterpillars or wolves?
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net> 
> wrote:
>
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> I don't think every reality's Law was a skilled martial artist, just the
> one with the good cop and the bad cop. The convict Law (the one who was
> killed during a transfer) simply kicked in the bars of a cell because he was
> supper strong.
> As for your alternate selves being radically different from you, that's an
> interesting point. Is part of that alternate reality a being that is similar
> to you, e.g., a carbon-based, bipedal humanoid in all cases? Would a
> mutipedal insectoid with a carapace still be you?
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mr. Worf" < hellomahog...@gmail.com >
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>
>
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> Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 9:45:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo?
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> I had problems with the idea of "the One." Every universe won't have the
> same guy with the same martial art skills etc. on that planet. There are so
> many variables that the variables themselves would be infinite as well. For
> example there could be a planet that has a look alike that is stronger and
> faster.
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net> 
> wrote:
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>
> Was Seraph the messenger dude who fought Neo "so he could really know him"?
> Not the biggest lost.
>
> "The One" is one of my fav scifi movies of recent years. It's not the
> greatest, by any means, but it's fun, has some good action, and enough
> intelligently written scifi to make it engaging. I have a couple of quibbles
> with it, notably the concept that the number of parallel universes would be
> finite, in the low hundreds. Realistically the multiverse would be infinite,
> so Law would never be able to kill all of his alternate selves. But that's a
> minor point. It's one of those scifi movies you can sit down and watch at
> any time and enjoy it. But, given that the movie was written by Glenn Morgan
> and James Wong--who worked on The X-Files, Millennium, Space: Above and
> Beyond, among others--that's no surprise.
> It's the kind of fun scifi we don't get enough of nowadays.
>
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "B Smith" < daikaij...@yahoo.com >
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 3:41:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo?
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> Supposedly Will was their Neo and Val Kilmer was Morpheus. Both ended up
> bowing out of the film.
>
> I think Jet Li turned down the role of Seraph to do The One. I also read
> that he was concerned that the amount of time needed to film both sequels
> would cause other conflicts.
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , "Tracey de Morsella" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hey Rave:
> >
> >
> >
> > I’m pretty sure Will Smith turned it down, just like Jet Li turned down
> a part in it. They wanted Smith first. At least that is how I remember Smith
> and Jada telling it in interviews.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ]
> On Behalf Of Mr. Worf
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 11:36 AM
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo?

[Omari Confer]

You all assume that there would be an alternate you. The percentages of genetic 
material traded during conception is a random concept. This supposed theme 
assumes we as persnalities would be intact. We assume too much I think...

c w m
-
Keith Johnson wrote:

I think the idea is that if you venture too far from the basic pattern--the 
species, etc.--it's no longer "you". After all, the idea is parallel 
universes--alternate realities. So, you could, in some universe, be a gay 
cowboy running dilithium ore on a space barge, but the genetic makeup would 
still be "you". If you were, say, a giant crab creature, it wouldn't be you, 
it'd be someone else. The idea here is that the physical and mental selves are 
just variations on a basic theme. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 11:16:45 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo? 






Exactly! There could be so many other alternate versions. Would they still be 
"you??" What if he went to an alternate universe and he was his anti-matter 
self? Or instead of humans evolving from something similar to apes, we were 
evolved from caterpillars or wolves? 


On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 






I don't think every reality's Law was a skilled martial artist, just the one 
with the good cop and the bad cop. The convict Law (the one who was killed 
during a transfer) simply kicked in the bars of a cell because he was supper 
strong. 
As for your alternate selves being radically different from you, that's an 
interesting point. Is part of that alternate reality a being that is similar to 
you, e.g., a carbon-based, bipedal humanoid in all cases? Would a mutipedal 
insectoid with a carapace still be you? 


- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf" < hellomahog...@gmail.com > 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 



Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 9:45:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo? 






I had problems with the idea of "the One." Every universe won't have the same 
guy with the same martial art skills etc. on that planet. There are so many 
variables that the variables themselves would be infinite as well. For example 
there could be a planet that has a look alike that is stronger and faster. 


On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 






Was Seraph the messenger dude who fought Neo "so he could really know him"? Not 
the biggest lost. 

"The One" is one of my fav scifi movies of recent years. It's not the greatest, 
by any means, but it's fun, has some good action, and enough intelligently 
written scifi to make it engaging. I have a couple of quibbles with it, notably 
the concept that the number of parallel universes would be finite, in the low 
hundreds. Realistically the multiverse would be infinite, so Law would never be 
able to kill all of his alternate selves. But that's a minor point. It's one of 
those scifi movies you can sit down and watch at any time and enjoy it. But, 
given that the movie was written by Glenn Morgan and James Wong--who worked on 
The X-Files, Millennium, Space: Above and Beyond, among others--that's no 
surprise. 
It's the kind of fun scifi we don't get enough of nowadays. 





- Original Message - 
From: "B Smith" < daikaij...@yahoo.com > 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 3:41:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo? 






Supposedly Will was their Neo and Val Kilmer was Morpheus. Both ended up bowing 
out of the film. 

I think Jet Li turned down the role of Seraph to do The One. I also read that 
he was concerned that the amount of time needed to film both sequels would 
cause other conflicts. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , "Tracey de Morsella"  wrote: 
> 
> Hey Rave: 
> 
> 
> 
> I’m pretty sure Will Smith turned it down, just like Jet Li turned down a 
> part in it. They wanted Smith first. At least that is how I remember Smith 
> and Jada telling it in interviews. 
> 
> 
> 
> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On 
> Behalf Of Mr. Worf 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 11:36 AM 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> At the time the Wochowski brothers were not well known and this was their 
> first big film. But I think if things were different it would have been 
> incredible. Aliah, Will Smith? Wow. 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 6:04 AM, Augustus Augustus  wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> but Rave, i thought the Will turned down Matrix because he was about 2 do 
> Wild Wild West? at least that is what he said when they interviewed him a few 
> years ago. he said that when the brothers tried 2 pitch 

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: EW review of V

[Omari Confer]

I am convinced they are aliens anyway... 
(will and halle)
c w m
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Mr. Worf wrote:

I would be down with them from word one, but I don't know about white
America. I am sure that if they were "pretty" that many folks would be
conflicted. I think their initial looks would make a huge difference.

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:45 PM, Kelwyn  wrote:

> What if they were of African-American descent but looked like Will Smith
> and Halle Berry?
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
> >
> > My question is would you be accepting of them if they were a different
> race
> > other than white? What if they looked Asian or Middle Eastern? Or heaven
> > help us, of African decent? Would they be as trusting?
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 7:02 PM, Kelwyn  wrote:
> >
> > > The first paragraph of Entertainment Weekly's review of "V":
> > >
> > > A shrewd take on both sci-fi and the media, V is an excellently acted
> > > what-if-aliens-landed show, a savvy updating of the 1983 cult
> miniseries.
> > >  The premise is irresistible: What if the aliens looked hot and
> promised
> > > friendship and advanced technology, but were secretly planning to
> > > exterminate everyone on Earth?  That would put the planet in  a bit of
> a
> > > pickle, wouldn't it?  I mean, yes, extermination = bad, but hot,
> disease -
> > > curing aliens...you might take your chances, right?
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: EW review of V

[Mr. Worf]

I would be down with them from word one, but I don't know about white
America. I am sure that if they were "pretty" that many folks would be
conflicted. I think their initial looks would make a huge difference.

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:45 PM, Kelwyn  wrote:

> What if they were of African-American descent but looked like Will Smith
> and Halle Berry?
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
> >
> > My question is would you be accepting of them if they were a different
> race
> > other than white? What if they looked Asian or Middle Eastern? Or heaven
> > help us, of African decent? Would they be as trusting?
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 7:02 PM, Kelwyn  wrote:
> >
> > > The first paragraph of Entertainment Weekly's review of "V":
> > >
> > > A shrewd take on both sci-fi and the media, V is an excellently acted
> > > what-if-aliens-landed show, a savvy updating of the 1983 cult
> miniseries.
> > >  The premise is irresistible: What if the aliens looked hot and
> promised
> > > friendship and advanced technology, but were secretly planning to
> > > exterminate everyone on Earth?  That would put the planet in  a bit of
> a
> > > pickle, wouldn't it?  I mean, yes, extermination = bad, but hot,
> disease -
> > > curing aliens...you might take your chances, right?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 
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[scifinoir2] Re: EW review of V

[Kelwyn]

In Arthur C. Clarke's take on "benign" aliens, "Childhood's End," the aliens 
grant humans a golden age of great peace and prosperity ever known, albeit at 
the expense of some creativity and freedom - but don't show themselves for 50 
years.  When the Overlords appear in person, they resemble the traditional 
human folklore image of demons: bipeds with large wings, horned heads, and 
tails.


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>
> My question is would you be accepting of them if they were a different race
> other than white? What if they looked Asian or Middle Eastern? Or heaven
> help us, of African decent? Would they be as trusting?
> 
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 7:02 PM, Kelwyn  wrote:
> 
> > The first paragraph of Entertainment Weekly's review of "V":
> >
> > A shrewd take on both sci-fi and the media, V is an excellently acted
> > what-if-aliens-landed show, a savvy updating of the 1983 cult miniseries.
> >  The premise is irresistible: What if the aliens looked hot and promised
> > friendship and advanced technology, but were secretly planning to
> > exterminate everyone on Earth?  That would put the planet in  a bit of a
> > pickle, wouldn't it?  I mean, yes, extermination = bad, but hot, disease -
> > curing aliens...you might take your chances, right?
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> > Post your SciFiNoir Profile at
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[scifinoir2] Re: EW review of V

[Kelwyn]

The Ewok Conundrum.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>
> Or even worse is that they would all look like cute little teddy bears.
> 
> The Teddy Supreme Commander - "We will eat your children, drink your blood,
> and destroy your world!"
> 
> Soldier - "I'm scared but when he says its just so cute"
> 
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 8:53 PM, Omari Confer  wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > That is an interesting question. I think African looking aliens would cause
> > a stir. Half of the world would think black folks are aliens and the other
> > half will realize that we might be related to aliens.
> >
> > but in all seriousness
> >
> > If I wanted to enslave the human race I would make sure I was a hot
> > European Brunette (blonde is too obvious).
> >
> > Kill them all.and thanks for all the fish...
> > c w m
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:19 PM, Mr. Worf  wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> My question is would you be accepting of them if they were a different
> >> race other than white? What if they looked Asian or Middle Eastern? Or
> >> heaven help us, of African decent? Would they be as trusting?
> >>
> >>  On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 7:02 PM, Kelwyn  wrote:
> >>
> >>> The first paragraph of Entertainment Weekly's review of "V":
> >>>
> >>> A shrewd take on both sci-fi and the media, V is an excellently acted
> >>> what-if-aliens-landed show, a savvy updating of the 1983 cult miniseries.
> >>>  The premise is irresistible: What if the aliens looked hot and promised
> >>> friendship and advanced technology, but were secretly planning to
> >>> exterminate everyone on Earth?  That would put the planet in  a bit of a
> >>> pickle, wouldn't it?  I mean, yes, extermination = bad, but hot, disease -
> >>> curing aliens...you might take your chances, right?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 
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[scifinoir2] Re: EW review of V

[Kelwyn]

What if they were of African-American descent but looked like Will Smith and 
Halle Berry?

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>
> My question is would you be accepting of them if they were a different race
> other than white? What if they looked Asian or Middle Eastern? Or heaven
> help us, of African decent? Would they be as trusting?
> 
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 7:02 PM, Kelwyn  wrote:
> 
> > The first paragraph of Entertainment Weekly's review of "V":
> >
> > A shrewd take on both sci-fi and the media, V is an excellently acted
> > what-if-aliens-landed show, a savvy updating of the 1983 cult miniseries.
> >  The premise is irresistible: What if the aliens looked hot and promised
> > friendship and advanced technology, but were secretly planning to
> > exterminate everyone on Earth?  That would put the planet in  a bit of a
> > pickle, wouldn't it?  I mean, yes, extermination = bad, but hot, disease -
> > curing aliens...you might take your chances, right?
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> > Post your SciFiNoir Profile at
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo!
> > Groups Links
> >
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[scifinoir2] o/t Fury over California's Proposed TV Rules

[Mr. Worf]

http://www.businessweek.com/the_thread/techbeat/archives/2009/11/fury_over_calif.html

Its about a law that boycotts flatscreen tvs that use a lot of electricity.

Re: [scifinoir2] EW review of V

[Mr. Worf]

Or even worse is that they would all look like cute little teddy bears.

The Teddy Supreme Commander - "We will eat your children, drink your blood,
and destroy your world!"

Soldier - "I'm scared but when he says its just so cute"

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 8:53 PM, Omari Confer  wrote:

>
>
> That is an interesting question. I think African looking aliens would cause
> a stir. Half of the world would think black folks are aliens and the other
> half will realize that we might be related to aliens.
>
> but in all seriousness
>
> If I wanted to enslave the human race I would make sure I was a hot
> European Brunette (blonde is too obvious).
>
> Kill them all.and thanks for all the fish...
> c w m
>
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:19 PM, Mr. Worf  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> My question is would you be accepting of them if they were a different
>> race other than white? What if they looked Asian or Middle Eastern? Or
>> heaven help us, of African decent? Would they be as trusting?
>>
>>  On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 7:02 PM, Kelwyn  wrote:
>>
>>> The first paragraph of Entertainment Weekly's review of "V":
>>>
>>> A shrewd take on both sci-fi and the media, V is an excellently acted
>>> what-if-aliens-landed show, a savvy updating of the 1983 cult miniseries.
>>>  The premise is irresistible: What if the aliens looked hot and promised
>>> friendship and advanced technology, but were secretly planning to
>>> exterminate everyone on Earth?  That would put the planet in  a bit of a
>>> pickle, wouldn't it?  I mean, yes, extermination = bad, but hot, disease -
>>> curing aliens...you might take your chances, right?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> Post your SciFiNoir Profile at
>>>
>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo!
>>> Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> Mahogany at:
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
>>
>>
>
>
> --
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> http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com
> STRING THEORY
> http://stringtheory.podbean.com
> Netflix Friends
> http://www.netflix.com/BeMyFriend/P5Vr384ukvNnY78xUJOT
>
>
> 




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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The original V

[Mr. Worf]

I am waiting until tomorrow to start in on it.

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 8:28 PM, Omari Confer  wrote:

>
>
> I am not sure if i should watch the original before seeing the new one.
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Mr. Worf  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> The original mini-series was well done. Watching it again from the
>> beginning was a nice refresher. The tv series had a much lower budget and a
>> much smaller cast which made it feel more like the A-Team vs the aliens.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 2:14 PM, Mr. Worf  wrote:
>>
>>> I have been watching the original V rebroadcast on syfy. Watching the
>>> show I can see many of the sets that were used on STNG, Space 1999, and
>>> other shows that took me down a scifi memory lane. :)
>>>
>>>
>>> I also noticed one of the subplots was used in Independence day.
>>> --
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>
>
> --
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> http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com
> STRING THEORY
> http://stringtheory.podbean.com
> Netflix Friends
> http://www.netflix.com/BeMyFriend/P5Vr384ukvNnY78xUJOT
>
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Re: [scifinoir2] Feds Charge Cable Modem Modder With ‘Aiding Computer Intrusion’

[Mr. Worf]

Viva la revolution!

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Martin Baxter
wrote:

>
>
> Sounds as though the revolution is gaining steam.
>
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:58:34 -0800
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Feds Charge Cable Modem Modder With ‘Aiding Computer
> Intrusion’
>
>
>
>
> Feds Charge Cable Modem Modder With ‘Aiding Computer Intrusion’
>
>- By Kevin Poulsen 
> [image:
>Email Author] 
>- November 2, 2009  |
>- 9:47 pm  |
>- Categories: 
> Cybersecurity,
>The Courts 
>-
>
>  [image: 
> cablemodem_big]An
> Oregon hardware hacker and author has been hit with federal criminal charges
> arising from his longstanding business of selling unlocked cable modems that
> can be used to steal extra speed from a broadband provider, or obtain free
> service.
> Ryan Harris, known by his pen name DerEngel, was charged in Boston with a
> conspiracy count, and charges of aiding and abetting computer intrusion and
> wire fraud.
> “I read the indictment — it’s complete bullshit,” says 26-year-old Harris,
> author of the 2006 book Hacking the Cable 
> Modem.
> “They’re filling in their own blanks. From my website I would never sell to
> anyone who had the intent to break the law.”
> Harris is the project organizer of TCNiSO, a band of 
> tinkerersspecializing in cable modem 
> hacking. For five years the group has been
> producing tutorials on how to bypass the firmware locks on Motorola
> Surfboard modems — a process that sometimes involves soldering a special
> cable to a hidden terminal inside the device, or exploiting a buffer
> overflow in the modem’s web interface.
>
>  TCNiSO also openly sells pre-modded modems for $100 which are already
> loaded with the group’s custom firmware, which lets the user control the
> modem’s functionality.  Harris sold two unlocked Motorola Surfboard modems
> to an FBI agent through TCNiSO.net.
> The group’s work has been a boon to cable modem “uncappers,” who use the
> customized modems to crank up the speed of their internet access by
> downloading special configuration files from an ISP’s server. Users have
> also wielded the hacked modems to get free service by spoofing another
> customer’s MAC address — an attack that only works from a home that’s wired
> to the cable network but hasn’t had service officially activated.
> But Harris has long publicly distanced himself from the criminal
> applications of his work. “I never had instructions on my website to teach
> people how to do this,” he says. “I never condoned this type of behavior.”
> Indeed, most of the charges in the six-count indictment announced Monday
> focus on the activities of others. Four wire-fraud charges are based
> entirely on the fact that a juvenile computer hacker known as “Dshock”
> downloaded TCNiSO’s firmware and used it to steal broadband.
> Dshock pleaded guilty in Boston last year to computer intrusion and
> interstate threats in connection with DDoS and swatting 
> attacks,
> and has since been sentenced to 11 months in custody. But the feds don’t
> allege that he knew or worked with Harris; just that he was one of the
> thousands of people to use the TCNiSO site.
> The indictment notes, however, that users openly sought and shared advice
> on uncapping and stealing 
> cable(.pdf)
>  on TCNiSO.net’s public forums. And the FBI allegedly found a single
> damning message on the forum posted personally by “DerEngel” in 2007.  “Does
> anyone have any verified MAC addresses and/or config files for Phoenix (Az)?
> If sensitive, just pm me. Rewards will follow :)”
> The government says that TCNiSO has generated revenues of more than $1
> million since 2003.
> Harris is free on his own recognizance and scheduled to appear in court in
> Boston later this month. He vows to fight the case. “I’ll tell you right now
> I’m not going to plead guilty.”
> He’s making a list of the legitimate uses of unlocked modems — he says he’s
> sold some to cable-modem companies as diagnostic gear — and is trying to
> raise funds for a private attorney.
> “The only evidence they have is the business I’ve been running for the last
> five years,” says Harris. “It’s like arresting every firearms dealer,
> because handguns can be used to commit murder.”
> *See Also:*
>
>- Hardware Hacker Charged With 

Re: [scifinoir2] EW review of V

[Omari Confer]

That is an interesting question. I think African looking aliens would cause
a stir. Half of the world would think black folks are aliens and the other
half will realize that we might be related to aliens.

but in all seriousness

If I wanted to enslave the human race I would make sure I was a hot European
Brunette (blonde is too obvious).

Kill them all.and thanks for all the fish...
c w m

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:19 PM, Mr. Worf  wrote:

>
>
> My question is would you be accepting of them if they were a different race
> other than white? What if they looked Asian or Middle Eastern? Or heaven
> help us, of African decent? Would they be as trusting?
>
>  On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 7:02 PM, Kelwyn  wrote:
>
>> The first paragraph of Entertainment Weekly's review of "V":
>>
>> A shrewd take on both sci-fi and the media, V is an excellently acted
>> what-if-aliens-landed show, a savvy updating of the 1983 cult miniseries.
>>  The premise is irresistible: What if the aliens looked hot and promised
>> friendship and advanced technology, but were secretly planning to
>> exterminate everyone on Earth?  That would put the planet in  a bit of a
>> pickle, wouldn't it?  I mean, yes, extermination = bad, but hot, disease -
>> curing aliens...you might take your chances, right?
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> Post your SciFiNoir Profile at
>>
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo!
>> Groups Links
>>
>>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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> 
>



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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo?

[Keith Johnson]

I think the idea is that if you venture too far from the basic pattern--the 
species, etc.--it's no longer "you". After all, the idea is parallel 
universes--alternate realities. So, you could, in some universe, be a gay 
cowboy running dilithium ore on a space barge, but the genetic makeup would 
still be "you". If you were, say, a giant crab creature, it wouldn't be you, 
it'd be someone else. The idea here is that the physical and mental selves are 
just variations on a basic theme. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 11:16:45 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo? 






Exactly! There could be so many other alternate versions. Would they still be 
"you??" What if he went to an alternate universe and he was his anti-matter 
self? Or instead of humans evolving from something similar to apes, we were 
evolved from caterpillars or wolves? 


On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 






I don't think every reality's Law was a skilled martial artist, just the one 
with the good cop and the bad cop. The convict Law (the one who was killed 
during a transfer) simply kicked in the bars of a cell because he was supper 
strong. 
As for your alternate selves being radically different from you, that's an 
interesting point. Is part of that alternate reality a being that is similar to 
you, e.g., a carbon-based, bipedal humanoid in all cases? Would a mutipedal 
insectoid with a carapace still be you? 


- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf" < hellomahog...@gmail.com > 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 



Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 9:45:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo? 






I had problems with the idea of "the One." Every universe won't have the same 
guy with the same martial art skills etc. on that planet. There are so many 
variables that the variables themselves would be infinite as well. For example 
there could be a planet that has a look alike that is stronger and faster. 


On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 






Was Seraph the messenger dude who fought Neo "so he could really know him"? Not 
the biggest lost. 

"The One" is one of my fav scifi movies of recent years. It's not the greatest, 
by any means, but it's fun, has some good action, and enough intelligently 
written scifi to make it engaging. I have a couple of quibbles with it, notably 
the concept that the number of parallel universes would be finite, in the low 
hundreds. Realistically the multiverse would be infinite, so Law would never be 
able to kill all of his alternate selves. But that's a minor point. It's one of 
those scifi movies you can sit down and watch at any time and enjoy it. But, 
given that the movie was written by Glenn Morgan and James Wong--who worked on 
The X-Files, Millennium, Space: Above and Beyond, among others--that's no 
surprise. 
It's the kind of fun scifi we don't get enough of nowadays. 





- Original Message - 
From: "B Smith" < daikaij...@yahoo.com > 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 3:41:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo? 






Supposedly Will was their Neo and Val Kilmer was Morpheus. Both ended up bowing 
out of the film. 

I think Jet Li turned down the role of Seraph to do The One. I also read that 
he was concerned that the amount of time needed to film both sequels would 
cause other conflicts. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , "Tracey de Morsella"  wrote: 
> 
> Hey Rave: 
> 
> 
> 
> I’m pretty sure Will Smith turned it down, just like Jet Li turned down a 
> part in it. They wanted Smith first. At least that is how I remember Smith 
> and Jada telling it in interviews. 
> 
> 
> 
> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On 
> Behalf Of Mr. Worf 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 11:36 AM 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> At the time the Wochowski brothers were not well known and this was their 
> first big film. But I think if things were different it would have been 
> incredible. Aliah, Will Smith? Wow. 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 6:04 AM, Augustus Augustus  wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> but Rave, i thought the Will turned down Matrix because he was about 2 do 
> Wild Wild West? at least that is what he said when they interviewed him a few 
> years ago. he said that when the brothers tried 2 pitch him the role, he was 
> kind of up in the air about it, so he chose 2 do WWW because of the director 
> - whom had directed him in MIB - sodeberg (sp) 
> 
> Fate. 
> p.s. on another tip, i would have loved 2 see col. war (my diff'rent world 
> reference) as han solo. 
> 
> --- On Tue, 11/3/09, Kel

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The original V

[Omari Confer]

I am not sure if i should watch the original before seeing the new one.

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Mr. Worf  wrote:

>
>
> The original mini-series was well done. Watching it again from the
> beginning was a nice refresher. The tv series had a much lower budget and a
> much smaller cast which made it feel more like the A-Team vs the aliens.
>
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 2:14 PM, Mr. Worf  wrote:
>
>> I have been watching the original V rebroadcast on syfy. Watching the show
>> I can see many of the sets that were used on STNG, Space 1999, and other
>> shows that took me down a scifi memory lane. :)
>>
>>
>> I also noticed one of the subplots was used in Independence day.
>> --
>>
>
>
>
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[scifinoir2] Re: Harvard Offering Course on HBO Hit 'The Wire'

[B Smith]

Too true. Luckily Wendell Pierce gets to work on Simon's next series Treme. 
Dominic West, Lance Reddick and Idris Elba has landed on their feet as well. 

Unfortunately most of the other folks seem to be relegated to guest spots on 
various shows. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>
> That's true. I have only seen one or two on Law and Order.
> 
> On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 3:39 PM, Kelwyn  wrote:
> 
> > And don't forget the cast.  The cast was phenomenal.  I loved "The Wire"
> > because it gave a score of good actors something meaty to do.  Chances are
> > none of them will ever have roles as good, again.
> >
> > ~rave!
> >
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
> > >
> > > My English teacher loved that show. We ended up watching parts of it in
> > my
> > > American lit class. It is a good show with some brilliant writing.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Keith Johnson wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Wow, high praise indeed!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > - Original Message -
> > > > From: "B Smith" 
> > > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Monday, November 2, 2009 12:29:19 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> > > > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Harvard Offering Course on HBO Hit 'The Wire'
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > There is so much meat in The Wire I could easily see a course being
> > taught
> > > > about it.
> > > >
> > > > Keith,
> > > > Do yourself a favor and watch it. I loved Homicide but The Wire was a
> > > > better show and seeing it play out over five seasons is an incredible
> > > > experience. It seemingly starts out as a good guys-bad guys urban drama
> > but
> > > > Simon and Co. flip the script early on and you realize it's something
> > much
> > > > deeper. It's the story of an America city warts and all.
> > > >
> > > > I have the coplete series on dvd and I plan on watching it again from
> > > > Season 1. It's that good.
> > > >
> > > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ,
> > Keith
> > > > Johnson  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Interesting. i've never seen "The Wire" (dropped HBO years ago),
> > though I
> > > > certainly love it's predecessor "Homicide: Life on the Streets", which
> > is
> > > > one of my fav TV series of all times. It's on my list of must-own
> > series on
> > > > DVD, along with Deep Space Nine.Â
> > > > >
> > > > > I wonder what's next: use DS9 or BSG to discuss matters of warfare,
> > how
> > > > governments lose their way in the name of protecting the people
> > (Section 31,
> > > > or the Starfleet clamp down on Earth during the Changeling scare).
> > Perhaps
> > > > discuss the nature of religious beliefs in shaping society (The
> > Prophets on
> > > > DS9)Â and justifying heinous acts (the God-fearing Cylons of BSG)?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > Harvard Offering Course on HBO Hit 'The Wire'
> > > > >
> > > > > Date: Monday, November 02, 2009, 5:43 am
> > > > > By: EURweb.com
> > > > >
> > > > > Students at Harvard University will be able to learn more about
> > > > understanding and combating urban social issues through a new course
> > based
> > > > on HBO's critically-acclaimed series "The Wire," which followed the
> > > > struggles of urban life in Baltimore.
> > > > >
> > > > > â€Å"â€ËÅ"The Wire’ has done more 
> > > > > to enhance our
> > understanding of the
> > > > systemic urban inequality that constrains the lives of the poor than
> > any
> > > > published study� said sociology professor William J. 
> > > > Wilson,
> > according to
> > > > The Harvard Crimson newspaper.      Â
> > > > >
> > > > > African-American studies chair Professor Evelyn B. Higginbotham said
> > > > Wilson will teach the new course, in which the show will be used as a
> > case
> > > > study for poverty in America.      Â
> > > > >
> > > > > Panelists at the sold-out event encouraged audience members to
> > > > internalize these harsh realities of the real world problems that the
> > show
> > > > depicts and actively work to solve them.     
> > > > Â Â
> > > > >
> > > > > â€Å"Everything we’re doing to make the 
> > > > > world a better place
> > is really
> > > > for our kids,� said actor Michael K. Williams, who 
> > > > played gay
> > stick-up
> > > > artist Omar Little on the show. â€Å"Our kids are dying in huge
> > numbers.
> > > > It’s the real wire.�   
> > > > Â Â Â Â
> > > > >
> > > > > Sonja Sohn, who played detective Kima Greggs, described the work of
> > > > Rewired for Change, the non-profit she started with other cast members
> > to
> > > > help at-risk youth in the areas of Baltimore depicted in 
> > > > â€Å"The
> > Wire.� 

[scifinoir2] Lust:Caution - cinema we can believe in

[Kelwyn]

http://blackplush.blogspot.com/2009/11/lustcaution-cinema-we-can-believe-in.html

Has anybody seen Ang Lee's "Lust:Caution"?  There is a scene near the end of 
the movie (which is 157 minutes long and as deadly as paint drying until folks 
start taking their clothes off about three quarters of the way through) where 
lead actor (Tony Leung Chiu Wai)looks toward the camera oozing love for his 
consort (Wei Tang) where I swear he looks like a doppleganger for President 
Barack Hussein Obama.  I kid you not - if Michelle and Barack ever sit down to 
watch it together, Brother President gonna get SLAPPED - they look like they 
was separated at birth.  Jug ears, slicked back waves in the hair, and those 
almond shaped eyes filled with compassion. 

Tony Leung Chiu Wai is a huge star in Asia and that got me thinking.  There is 
probably an Obama doppleganger in every county. Which makes Mr. Obama a 
universal archtype - one that is visually embraced around the world.

~rave!

Re: [scifinoir2] EW review of V

[Mr. Worf]

My question is would you be accepting of them if they were a different race
other than white? What if they looked Asian or Middle Eastern? Or heaven
help us, of African decent? Would they be as trusting?

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 7:02 PM, Kelwyn  wrote:

> The first paragraph of Entertainment Weekly's review of "V":
>
> A shrewd take on both sci-fi and the media, V is an excellently acted
> what-if-aliens-landed show, a savvy updating of the 1983 cult miniseries.
>  The premise is irresistible: What if the aliens looked hot and promised
> friendship and advanced technology, but were secretly planning to
> exterminate everyone on Earth?  That would put the planet in  a bit of a
> pickle, wouldn't it?  I mean, yes, extermination = bad, but hot, disease -
> curing aliens...you might take your chances, right?
>
>
>
> 
>
> Post your SciFiNoir Profile at
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo!
> Groups Links
>
>
>
>


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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo?

[Mr. Worf]

Exactly! There could be so many other alternate versions. Would they still
be "you??" What if he went to an alternate universe and he was his
anti-matter self? Or instead of humans evolving from something similar to
apes, we were evolved from caterpillars or wolves?

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:

>
>
> I don't think every reality's Law was a skilled martial artist, just the
> one with the good cop and the bad cop. The convict Law (the one who was
> killed during a transfer) simply kicked in the bars of a cell because he was
> supper strong.
> As for your alternate selves being radically different from you, that's an
> interesting point. Is part of that alternate reality a being that is similar
> to you, e.g., a carbon-based, bipedal humanoid in all cases? Would a
> mutipedal insectoid with a carapace still be you?
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mr. Worf" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 9:45:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo?
>
>
>
> I had problems with the idea of "the One." Every universe won't have the
> same guy with the same martial art skills etc. on that planet. There are so
> many variables that the variables themselves would be infinite as well. For
> example there could be a planet that has a look alike that is stronger and
> faster.
>
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Keith Johnson 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Was Seraph the messenger dude who fought Neo "so he could really know
>> him"? Not the biggest lost.
>>
>> "The One" is one of my fav scifi movies of recent years. It's not the
>> greatest, by any means, but it's fun, has some good action, and enough
>> intelligently written scifi to make it engaging. I have a couple of quibbles
>> with it, notably the concept that the number of parallel universes would be
>> finite, in the low hundreds. Realistically the multiverse would be infinite,
>> so Law would never be able to kill all of his alternate selves. But that's a
>> minor point. It's one of those scifi movies you can sit down and watch at
>> any time and enjoy it. But, given that the movie was written by Glenn Morgan
>> and James Wong--who worked on The X-Files, Millennium, Space: Above and
>> Beyond, among others--that's no surprise.
>> It's the kind of fun scifi we don't get enough of nowadays.
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "B Smith" 
>> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 3:41:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo?
>>
>>
>>
>> Supposedly Will was their Neo and Val Kilmer was Morpheus. Both ended up
>> bowing out of the film.
>>
>> I think Jet Li turned down the role of Seraph to do The One. I also read
>> that he was concerned that the amount of time needed to film both sequels
>> would cause other conflicts.
>>
>> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , "Tracey
>> de Morsella"  wrote:
>> >
>> > Hey Rave:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I’m pretty sure Will Smith turned it down, just like Jet Li turned
>> down a part in it. They wanted Smith first. At least that is how I remember
>> Smith and Jada telling it in interviews.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:
>> scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of
>> Mr. Worf
>> > Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 11:36 AM
>> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
>> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > At the time the Wochowski brothers were not well known and this was
>> their first big film. But I think if things were different it would have
>> been incredible. Aliah, Will Smith? Wow.
>> >
>> > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 6:04 AM, Augustus Augustus 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > but Rave, i thought the Will turned down Matrix because he was about 2
>> do Wild Wild West? at least that is what he said when they interviewed him a
>> few years ago. he said that when the brothers tried 2 pitch him the role, he
>> was kind of up in the air about it, so he chose 2 do WWW because of the
>> director - whom had directed him in MIB - sodeberg (sp)
>> >
>> > Fate.
>> > p.s. on another tip, i would have loved 2 see col. war (my diff'rent
>> world reference) as han solo.
>> >
>> > --- On Tue, 11/3/09, Kelwyn  wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > From: Kelwyn 
>> > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo?
>> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
>> > Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 6:59 AM
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Serendipity is everything (like the makers of "The Matrix" choosing
>> Keanu Reeves over Will Smith) but can you imagine finding out (thirty years
>> after the fact) that you ALMOST had the signature role in the most lucrative
>> movie franchise of all time?
>> >
>> > ~(no)rave!
>> >
>> > --- In scifino...@yahoogro <
>> http://mc/compose?to=scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com, "Mr. Worf"
>>  wrote:
>> > >
>> > > The movie would have been completely different. I think 

RE: [scifinoir2] Keith, I believe that you asked what Pat Boone was up to...

[Martin Baxter]

Oh, yeah.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 03:07:01 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Keith, I believe that you asked what Pat Boone was up 
to...















 





  
wow, true colors shining through

- Original Message -
From: "Martin Baxter" 
To: "SciFiNoir2" 
Sent: Monday, November 2, 2009 8:52:48 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] Keith, I believe that you asked what Pat Boone was up 
to...







 





  


And here he is, floridly preaching hate, as only a good hatemonger can...

http://mediamatters.org/blog/200911020030

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik


  

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RE: [scifinoir2] Teen Titans: Blackest Night

[Martin Baxter]

No, rave. That's a funny angle on her, making he rloook darker-skinned than she 
is. Dove is one pale little thang.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: ravena...@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:08:46 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] Teen Titans: Blackest Night















 





  I don't read "Teen Titans" (or any other comic, currently) so 
tell me true - is the woman on the cover of this issue (link below) some kind 
of broke ass Storm?



~rave?



http://blackgeekdom.com/blog/2009/10/29/new-comics-10-28-09/





 

  













  
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RE: [scifinoir2] Growing number watching TV on-line only

[Martin Baxter]

I admit to being in this number, as a result of my increasingly bad memory 
making me forget when shows air.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: ravena...@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 09:24:51 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] Growing number watching TV on-line only















 





  http://eguang.notlong.com



Jazz musician Bill Cunliffe loves television -- but he doesn't watch it on a TV 
set.



"I can watch anything I want, any time I want," he said, "on my 
bottom-of-the-line Mac PowerBook." 



Cunliffe, 53, is one of a growing number of TV viewers who get all their 
programs via the Internet.



For reasons that include saving money, convenience, personal choice and a 
hatred of commercials, these viewers are cutting the cord from cable, satellite 
and telephone suppliers of TV service, and even throwing away the rabbit ears 
and other antennas that brought in over-the-air broadcasts.



"The idea that you come home and your entertainment choices are dictated on 
what some entertainment channel decides is not for me," said video game 
producer Chris Codding, whose Venice apartment has a 52-inch Sony television 
that's used only for video games and viewing DVDs.



"I really like the concept of having something in your mind that you want to 
watch," Codding said, "and then going to the computer and watching it."



There have been no mainstream studies on just how many people have cut the cord 
to established TV program suppliers, and the percentage of viewers who have 
done it is probably small. But there's plenty of evidence that the number of 
people who are watching TV shows online is growing.



According to a survey released last month by the nonprofit Conference Board, 
nearly 1 in 4 households in the U.S. have watched television online. Meanwhile, 
about 20% of responders said they were watching less TV delivered through 
traditional broadcast or paid cable-type providers.



A study by Frank N. Magid Associates in April found that among people who have 
watched video online, 25% viewed a full-length TV show in that manner. That's 
up from 15% in 2007.



As for cutting out traditional means of watching TV altogether, a recent survey 
by the Consumer Electronics Assn. found that 15% of viewers would consider it. 



This could put TV on course for a fundamental change similar to that of another 
industry altered by the Internet -- recorded music.



"The one reason the iPod was so successful was that it was much more than a 
playback device," said Steve Koenig, director of industry analysis at the 
Consumer Electronics Assn., a trade group."When Apple added iTunes as a music 
procurement and discovery service, then it really took off.



"Finally, this kind of sensibility is coming to the king category of consumer 
electronics -- television."



Viewers who watch on their computers (or a computer hooked to TVs) have vastly 
more choices. According to the Fancast website, which provides links to online 
video, there are more than 1,000 former and current TV series with full 
episodes on the Web.



Common among many who have cut the cord is a sense of rebellion, not against TV 
but against service providers. They believe their way of watching represents 
the future of TV -- online and on demand.



"The No. 1 factor of why people watch online is convenience," said Lynn Franco, 
director of the Conference Board consumer research center. 



The cable industry knows it could be in for a fight.



"Clearly this is a growing trend," said Alex Dudley, spokesman for Time Warner 
Cable, which has 14.6 million subscribers nationwide.



The company, like several other providers, is countering with its own on-demand 
services. It offers subscribers repeats of TV shows that can be accessed by 
pressing a few buttons on the remote.



Time Warner is also participating in a test of the TV Anywhere service that 
would enable subscribers to watch their channels on computers or mobile devices 
via the Internet.



But online TV has something going for it that cable can't match. For the most 
part, it's free, at least for now.



"We were paying about $100 for month for cable," said Jaxon Lee, a mobile phone 
sales manager who lives in Atlanta. "For that we got like a billion channels. 
But when we were making a move, I asked my wife, 'How many of these shows are 
we actually watching?' "



Lee, 36, who is technically savvy, cut the cord by hooking up a media-center 
computer to the LCD television. They now watch most of the shows they like via 
Hulu, the free Web service that opened to the public last year. Its owners 
include heavy hitters in the industry -- NBC Universal, News Corp. (which owns 
the Fox television channels) and Walt Disney Co. (ABC) -- giving it access to 
some of the most popular current shows

RE: [scifinoir2] Glen Turman original Han Solo?

[Martin Baxter]

Would've loved to have seen this one come to light.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: ravena...@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:03:12 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] Glen Turman original Han Solo?















 





  This reminds me of an old thread I started on this list many 
eons ago about how weren't any cool white actors under 50 because in the past 
cool white actors were just stand ins for cool black guys.  Disappointingly, 
Hollywood seems to be regressing back to the bad old days. 



~(no)rave!



http://xaiquaox.notlong.com



Here's  Turman in a 2007 interview.



Q. Is it true that you were originally cast as Han Solo in Star Wars? 



A. That was in George Lucas' book. Apparently George Lucas had me in mind for 
the role, and then thought that there might be too much controversy between a 
white Princess Leia and a black Han Solo – because those were the times – and 
he didn't want to get into that. At the time, I had no idea. I just went to the 
audition, did it and got out of there. Years later, I read his book and said, 
"What?" I'm waiting to run into Harrison Ford and get my cut of his career.





 

  













  
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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo?

[Tracey de Morsella]

Hey Rave:

 

I’m pretty sure Will Smith turned it down, just like Jet Li turned down a part 
in it.  They wanted Smith first.  At least that is how I remember Smith and 
Jada telling it in interviews.  

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Mr. Worf
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 11:36 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo?

 



At the time the Wochowski brothers were not well known and this was their first 
big film. But I think if things were different it would have been incredible.  
Aliah, Will Smith? Wow. 

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 6:04 AM, Augustus Augustus  
wrote:

 


but Rave, i thought the Will turned down Matrix because he was about 2 do Wild 
Wild West?  at least that is what he said when they interviewed him a few years 
ago.  he said that when the brothers tried 2 pitch him the role, he was kind of 
up in the air about it, so he chose 2 do WWW because of the director - whom had 
directed him in MIB - sodeberg (sp)

Fate.
p.s. on another tip, i would have loved 2 see col. war (my diff'rent world 
reference) as han solo.

--- On Tue, 11/3/09, Kelwyn  wrote:


From: Kelwyn 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo?
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 6:59 AM

  

Serendipity is everything (like the makers of "The Matrix" choosing Keanu 
Reeves over Will Smith) but can you imagine finding out (thirty years after the 
fact) that you ALMOST had the signature role in the most lucrative movie 
franchise of all time?

~(no)rave!

--- In scifino...@yahoogro   
ups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>
> The movie would have been completely different. I think I would have loved
> it even more! :) I was really missing people of color in the film, and
> having one as a main character would have really made me smile as a kid.
> Maybe in one of those alternate universes there are all of the movies with
> alternate castings.
> 
> 
> There's a bunch of jokes that I could make about the Black Han Solo showing
> Princess Leia his...ahem "chocolate light saber.." but I won't make that
> joke... Nope... No way...
> 
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 2:03 AM, Kelwyn  wrote:
> 
> > This reminds me of an old thread I started on this list many eons ago about
> > how weren't any cool white actors under 50 because in the past cool white
> > actors were just stand ins for cool black guys. Disappointingly, Hollywood
> > seems to be regressing back to the bad old days.
> >
> > ~(no)rave!
> >
> > http://xaiquaox.   notlong.com
> >
> > Here's Turman in a 2007 interview.
> >
> > Q. Is it true that you were originally cast as Han Solo in Star Wars?
> >
> > A. That was in George Lucas' book. Apparently George Lucas had me in mind
> > for the role, and then thought that there might be too much controversy
> > between a white Princess Leia and a black Han Solo â€" because those were 
> > the
> > times â€" and he didn't want to get into that. At the time, I had no idea. I
> > just went to the audition, did it and got out of there. Years later, I read
> > his book and said, "What?" I'm waiting to run into Harrison Ford and get my
> > cut of his career.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  - - --
> >
> > Post your SciFiNoir Profile at
> >
> > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /app/peoplemap2/ 
> > 
> >   entry/add? fmvn=mapYahoo!
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
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[scifinoir2] Re: Teen Titans: Blackest Night

[B Smith]

Testy much? LOL 

I think we might be looking at two different books. The Blackest Night: Titans 
cover features a battle damaged Dove(blue and white suit with white hair) but 
the Teen Titans cover features Raven(black outfit). Which one were you talking 
about? 

Are you referring to Storm's movie outfit or her various comic costumes? 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Kelwyn"  wrote:
>
> Yeah, yeah, but to answer my question - white hair, skin tight black suit - 
> Stormesque, no?
> 
> ~rave?
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Justin Mohareb  wrote:
> >
> > God, I never noticed that!  Characters with skim tight costumes in a  
> > superhero comic!
> > 
> > Justin
> > 
> > On 2009-11-03, at 11:20 AM, "Kelwyn"  wrote:
> > 
> > > Do I mean "Dove"? Seriously, doesn't this character with her white  
> > > hair and skin-tight black suit, look like "Storm"?
> > >
> > > ~rave?
> > >
> > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Justin Mohareb  
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > You mean.. Dove?
> > > >
> > > > Seriously, I have no idea what your question is.
> > > >
> > > > Justin
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 5:08 AM, Kelwyn  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't read "Teen Titans" (or any other comic, currently) so  
> > > tell me true
> > > > > - is the woman on the cover of this issue (link below) some kind  
> > > of broke
> > > > > ass Storm?
> > > > >
> > > > > ~rave?
> > > > >
> > > > > http://blackgeekdom.com/blog/2009/10/29/new-comics-10-28-09/
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Read the Bitter Guide to the Bitter Guy.
> > > > http://thebitterguy.livejournal.com
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

[scifinoir2] EW review of V

[Kelwyn]

The first paragraph of Entertainment Weekly's review of "V":

A shrewd take on both sci-fi and the media, V is an excellently acted 
what-if-aliens-landed show, a savvy updating of the 1983 cult miniseries.  The 
premise is irresistible: What if the aliens looked hot and promised friendship 
and advanced technology, but were secretly planning to exterminate everyone on 
Earth?  That would put the planet in  a bit of a pickle, wouldn't it?  I mean, 
yes, extermination = bad, but hot, disease - curing aliens...you might take 
your chances, right?

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo?

[Keith Johnson]

I don't think every reality's Law was a skilled martial artist, just the one 
with the good cop and the bad cop. The convict Law (the one who was killed 
during a transfer) simply kicked in the bars of a cell because he was supper 
strong. 
As for your alternate selves being radically different from you, that's an 
interesting point. Is part of that alternate reality a being that is similar to 
you, e.g., a carbon-based, bipedal humanoid in all cases? Would a mutipedal 
insectoid with a carapace still be you? 

- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 9:45:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo? 






I had problems with the idea of "the One." Every universe won't have the same 
guy with the same martial art skills etc. on that planet. There are so many 
variables that the variables themselves would be infinite as well. For example 
there could be a planet that has a look alike that is stronger and faster. 


On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 






Was Seraph the messenger dude who fought Neo "so he could really know him"? Not 
the biggest lost. 

"The One" is one of my fav scifi movies of recent years. It's not the greatest, 
by any means, but it's fun, has some good action, and enough intelligently 
written scifi to make it engaging. I have a couple of quibbles with it, notably 
the concept that the number of parallel universes would be finite, in the low 
hundreds. Realistically the multiverse would be infinite, so Law would never be 
able to kill all of his alternate selves. But that's a minor point. It's one of 
those scifi movies you can sit down and watch at any time and enjoy it. But, 
given that the movie was written by Glenn Morgan and James Wong--who worked on 
The X-Files, Millennium, Space: Above and Beyond, among others--that's no 
surprise. 
It's the kind of fun scifi we don't get enough of nowadays. 





- Original Message - 
From: "B Smith" < daikaij...@yahoo.com > 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 3:41:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo? 






Supposedly Will was their Neo and Val Kilmer was Morpheus. Both ended up bowing 
out of the film. 

I think Jet Li turned down the role of Seraph to do The One. I also read that 
he was concerned that the amount of time needed to film both sequels would 
cause other conflicts. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , "Tracey de Morsella"  wrote: 
> 
> Hey Rave: 
> 
> 
> 
> I’m pretty sure Will Smith turned it down, just like Jet Li turned down a 
> part in it. They wanted Smith first. At least that is how I remember Smith 
> and Jada telling it in interviews. 
> 
> 
> 
> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On 
> Behalf Of Mr. Worf 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 11:36 AM 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> At the time the Wochowski brothers were not well known and this was their 
> first big film. But I think if things were different it would have been 
> incredible. Aliah, Will Smith? Wow. 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 6:04 AM, Augustus Augustus  wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> but Rave, i thought the Will turned down Matrix because he was about 2 do 
> Wild Wild West? at least that is what he said when they interviewed him a few 
> years ago. he said that when the brothers tried 2 pitch him the role, he was 
> kind of up in the air about it, so he chose 2 do WWW because of the director 
> - whom had directed him in MIB - sodeberg (sp) 
> 
> Fate. 
> p.s. on another tip, i would have loved 2 see col. war (my diff'rent world 
> reference) as han solo. 
> 
> --- On Tue, 11/3/09, Kelwyn  wrote: 
> 
> 
> From: Kelwyn  
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo? 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 6:59 AM 
> 
> 
> 
> Serendipity is everything (like the makers of "The Matrix" choosing Keanu 
> Reeves over Will Smith) but can you imagine finding out (thirty years after 
> the fact) that you ALMOST had the signature role in the most lucrative movie 
> franchise of all time? 
> 
> ~(no)rave! 
> 
> --- In scifino...@yahoogro < 
> http://mc/compose?to=scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com > ups.com , "Mr. Worf" 
>  wrote: 
> > 
> > The movie would have been completely different. I think I would have loved 
> > it even more! :) I was really missing people of color in the film, and 
> > having one as a main character would have really made me smile as a kid. 
> > Maybe in one of those alternate universes there are all of the movies with 
> > alternate castings. 
> > 
> > 
> > There's a bunch of jokes that I could make about the Black Han Solo showing 
> > Princess Leia his...ahem "chocolate light saber.." but I won't make that 
> > joke... No

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo?

[Mr. Worf]

I had problems with the idea of "the One." Every universe won't have the
same guy with the same martial art skills etc. on that planet. There are so
many variables that the variables themselves would be infinite as well. For
example there could be a planet that has a look alike that is stronger and
faster.

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:

>
>
> Was Seraph the messenger dude who fought Neo "so he could really know him"?
> Not the biggest lost.
>
> "The One" is one of my fav scifi movies of recent years. It's not the
> greatest, by any means, but it's fun, has some good action, and enough
> intelligently written scifi to make it engaging. I have a couple of quibbles
> with it, notably the concept that the number of parallel universes would be
> finite, in the low hundreds. Realistically the multiverse would be infinite,
> so Law would never be able to kill all of his alternate selves. But that's a
> minor point. It's one of those scifi movies you can sit down and watch at
> any time and enjoy it. But, given that the movie was written by Glenn Morgan
> and James Wong--who worked on The X-Files, Millennium, Space: Above and
> Beyond, among others--that's no surprise.
> It's the kind of fun scifi we don't get enough of nowadays.
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "B Smith" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 3:41:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo?
>
>
>
> Supposedly Will was their Neo and Val Kilmer was Morpheus. Both ended up
> bowing out of the film.
>
> I think Jet Li turned down the role of Seraph to do The One. I also read
> that he was concerned that the amount of time needed to film both sequels
> would cause other conflicts.
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , "Tracey
> de Morsella"  wrote:
> >
> > Hey Rave:
> >
> >
> >
> > I’m pretty sure Will Smith turned it down, just like Jet Li turned down
> a part in it. They wanted Smith first. At least that is how I remember Smith
> and Jada telling it in interviews.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com  [mailto:
> scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of
> Mr. Worf
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 11:36 AM
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At the time the Wochowski brothers were not well known and this was their
> first big film. But I think if things were different it would have been
> incredible. Aliah, Will Smith? Wow.
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 6:04 AM, Augustus Augustus 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > but Rave, i thought the Will turned down Matrix because he was about 2 do
> Wild Wild West? at least that is what he said when they interviewed him a
> few years ago. he said that when the brothers tried 2 pitch him the role, he
> was kind of up in the air about it, so he chose 2 do WWW because of the
> director - whom had directed him in MIB - sodeberg (sp)
> >
> > Fate.
> > p.s. on another tip, i would have loved 2 see col. war (my diff'rent
> world reference) as han solo.
> >
> > --- On Tue, 11/3/09, Kelwyn  wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Kelwyn 
> > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo?
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> > Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 6:59 AM
> >
> >
> >
> > Serendipity is everything (like the makers of "The Matrix" choosing Keanu
> Reeves over Will Smith) but can you imagine finding out (thirty years after
> the fact) that you ALMOST had the signature role in the most lucrative movie
> franchise of all time?
> >
> > ~(no)rave!
> >
> > --- In scifino...@yahoogro <
> http://mc/compose?to=scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com, "Mr. Worf"
>  wrote:
> > >
> > > The movie would have been completely different. I think I would have
> loved
> > > it even more! :) I was really missing people of color in the film, and
> > > having one as a main character would have really made me smile as a
> kid.
> > > Maybe in one of those alternate universes there are all of the movies
> with
> > > alternate castings.
> > >
> > >
> > > There's a bunch of jokes that I could make about the Black Han Solo
> showing
> > > Princess Leia his...ahem "chocolate light saber.." but I won't make
> that
> > > joke... Nope... No way...
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 2:03 AM, Kelwyn  wrote:
> > >
> > > > This reminds me of an old thread I started on this list many eons ago
> about
> > > > how weren't any cool white actors under 50 because in the past cool
> white
> > > > actors were just stand ins for cool black guys. Disappointingly,
> Hollywood
> > > > seems to be regressing back to the bad old days.
> > > >
> > > > ~(no)rave!
> > > >
> > > > http://xaiquaox.  notlong.com
> > > >
> > > > Here's Turman in a 2007 interview.
> > > >
> > > > Q. Is it true that you were originally cast as Han Solo in Star Wars?
> > > >
> > > > A. That was in George Lucas' book. Apparently George Lucas had me 

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo?

[Mr. Worf]

People are funny (and racist) and I do not think that Star Wars would have
been as popular with a black Han Solo. I don't think that there would have
been such large numbers of women swooning over him like the did with
Harrison Ford.

 There are a lot of movies that would have been completely different if they
had gone with another casting choice.

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 3:59 AM, Kelwyn  wrote:

> Serendipity is everything (like the makers of "The Matrix" choosing Keanu
> Reeves over Will Smith) but can you imagine finding out (thirty years after
> the fact) that you ALMOST had the signature role in the most lucrative movie
> franchise of all time?
>
> ~(no)rave!
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
> >
> > The movie would have been completely different. I think I would have
> loved
> > it even more! :) I was really missing people of color in the film, and
> > having one as a main character would have really made me smile as a kid.
> > Maybe in one of those alternate universes there are all of the movies
> with
> > alternate castings.
> >
> >
> > There's a bunch of jokes that I could make about the Black Han Solo
> showing
> > Princess Leia his...ahem "chocolate light saber.." but I won't make that
> > joke... Nope... No way...
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 2:03 AM, Kelwyn  wrote:
> >
> > > This reminds me of an old thread I started on this list many eons ago
> about
> > > how weren't any cool white actors under 50 because in the past cool
> white
> > > actors were just stand ins for cool black guys.  Disappointingly,
> Hollywood
> > > seems to be regressing back to the bad old days.
> > >
> > > ~(no)rave!
> > >
> > > http://xaiquaox.notlong.com
> > >
> > > Here's  Turman in a 2007 interview.
> > >
> > > Q. Is it true that you were originally cast as Han Solo in Star Wars?
> > >
> > > A. That was in George Lucas' book. Apparently George Lucas had me in
> mind
> > > for the role, and then thought that there might be too much controversy
> > > between a white Princess Leia and a black Han Solo â€" because those
> were the
> > > times â€" and he didn't want to get into that. At the time, I had no
> idea. I
> > > just went to the audition, did it and got out of there. Years later, I
> read
> > > his book and said, "What?" I'm waiting to run into Harrison Ford and
> get my
> > > cut of his career.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > Post your SciFiNoir Profile at
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Syfy Buys Remake of Being Human

[Mr. Worf]

You are right. Maybe Hollywood is copying them in some weird way? Porn has
been doing parodies of just about everything for years. Everything from the
Cosby show (This ain't the Cosby show) to the Brady Bunch (This aint the
Brady bunch) to the Octomom to Sarah Palin (Nailin Palin) to Star Trek. They
have also done just about every popular tv show on tv, and every major movie
release.

To be honest, the porn industry is actually ahead of the regular movie
industry in technology and production rate. The porn industry has been
shooting HD video for about 3 or 4 years now and are beginning to move to
3d! Surround sound, and multiple angles that the viewer can control is also
on some releases too.

There are a few films that came out in the last year or two that used green
screen technology and CGI that was on par with most of Hollywood. (An
example would be Pirates and Pirates 2) Most of the technology that we use
owes its popularity to the adult industry. Home movies, VCRs, DVDs video
streaming etc. all became popular due to folks in the porn industry.
Unfortunately, the only time I heard anyone else say that was on a
technology show that the topic was the adult industry.



On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Kelwyn  wrote:

> As I was surfing through the gamut of pay movie channels I subscribe to the
> other night, I stumbled across the Adult Film News Awards (AVNs).  I mention
> this because nobody does remakes like the adult film industry ("Saving
> Ryan's Privates," anyone?).  I was so distraught when "The Night of Giving
> Head" did not win a "Woody."
>
> ~(no)rave!
>
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson 
> wrote:
> >
> > I agree. For example, I see no reason for a remake of "V". Doesn't even
> matter if the remake is good: i don't see what the new version can add to
> the territory covered by the original. In that case, it is only a matter of
> tweaking some FX, CGI, etc. Even a reflection of recent social change (which
> can sometimes be a reason to update a property) isn't really needed in a
> update, as women and blacks were front and center in the movie: the lead
> Visitor is a woman, a woman ended up leading the Resistance in America, and
> a black man was a key member of the Resistance.
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Mr. Worf" 
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, November 1, 2009 1:17:26 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Syfy Buys Remake of Being Human
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I think the Prisoner was a good show too but I think that they could do
> some really cool stuff with newer technology. The problem is that Hollywood
> is chewing up every tv show, movie, kids's show, and kid's movie that they
> can get their hands on. (The Grinch, Cat in the hat, Flinstones etc.) Sooner
> or later they will run out of material. Then what? Rework the movies that
> were less popular? Maybe Jason Robard's A 1000 Clowns?
> >
> > Dark Shadows is already on the pre-production list by the way...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 10:13 PM, marian_changling < md_moor...@... >
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Has no one mentioned the remake of "The Prisoner" also? Why, oh why?
> >
> > http://www.amctv.com/originals/the-prisoner/
> >
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > yeah, I should have pointed that out, but that goes back to my question
> of "Why"? What does it mean to take a smart creative team and have them
> "Americanize" a great series? And, though they are behind it, note that this
> is a partnership with SyFy. So as you say, i wonder how much control SyFy
> will have?
> > >
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Tracey de Morsella" 
> > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 11:25:51 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> > > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Syfy Buys Remake of Being Human
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I just read the whole thing. Syfy is going to use the original
> producers. The question is, how tight a leash are they going to have around
> their necks
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ]
> On Behalf Of Keith Johnson
> > > Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 7:39 PM
> > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [scifinoir2] Syfy Buys Remake of Being Human
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I could ask, what do they gain by moving the remake to America? I could
> ask, "why not just show the original on SyFy?" I could ask, what does it
> mean to "Americanize" a theme that is supposedly universal, other than a
> change of accents, food, and city names? I could ask--but I won't!
> > >
> > > **
> > > http://www.sfuniverse.com/2009/10/29/syfy-buys-remake-of-being-human/Syfy 
> > > Buys Remake of Being Human
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > October 29, 2009 by C

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo?

[Keith Johnson]

Was Seraph the messenger dude who fought Neo "so he could really know him"? Not 
the biggest lost. 

"The One" is one of my fav scifi movies of recent years. It's not the greatest, 
by any means, but it's fun, has some good action, and enough intelligently 
written scifi to make it engaging. I have a couple of quibbles with it, notably 
the concept that the number of parallel universes would be finite, in the low 
hundreds. Realistically the multiverse would be infinite, so Law would never be 
able to kill all of his alternate selves. But that's a minor point. It's one of 
those scifi movies you can sit down and watch at any time and enjoy it. But, 
given that the movie was written by Glenn Morgan and James Wong--who worked on 
The X-Files, Millennium, Space: Above and Beyond, among others--that's no 
surprise. 
It's the kind of fun scifi we don't get enough of nowadays. 


- Original Message - 
From: "B Smith"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 3:41:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo? 






Supposedly Will was their Neo and Val Kilmer was Morpheus. Both ended up bowing 
out of the film. 

I think Jet Li turned down the role of Seraph to do The One. I also read that 
he was concerned that the amount of time needed to film both sequels would 
cause other conflicts. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , "Tracey de Morsella"  wrote: 
> 
> Hey Rave: 
> 
> 
> 
> I’m pretty sure Will Smith turned it down, just like Jet Li turned down a 
> part in it. They wanted Smith first. At least that is how I remember Smith 
> and Jada telling it in interviews. 
> 
> 
> 
> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On 
> Behalf Of Mr. Worf 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 11:36 AM 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> At the time the Wochowski brothers were not well known and this was their 
> first big film. But I think if things were different it would have been 
> incredible. Aliah, Will Smith? Wow. 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 6:04 AM, Augustus Augustus  wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> but Rave, i thought the Will turned down Matrix because he was about 2 do 
> Wild Wild West? at least that is what he said when they interviewed him a few 
> years ago. he said that when the brothers tried 2 pitch him the role, he was 
> kind of up in the air about it, so he chose 2 do WWW because of the director 
> - whom had directed him in MIB - sodeberg (sp) 
> 
> Fate. 
> p.s. on another tip, i would have loved 2 see col. war (my diff'rent world 
> reference) as han solo. 
> 
> --- On Tue, 11/3/09, Kelwyn  wrote: 
> 
> 
> From: Kelwyn  
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo? 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 6:59 AM 
> 
> 
> 
> Serendipity is everything (like the makers of "The Matrix" choosing Keanu 
> Reeves over Will Smith) but can you imagine finding out (thirty years after 
> the fact) that you ALMOST had the signature role in the most lucrative movie 
> franchise of all time? 
> 
> ~(no)rave! 
> 
> --- In scifino...@yahoogro < 
> http://mc/compose?to=scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com > ups.com, "Mr. Worf" 
>  wrote: 
> > 
> > The movie would have been completely different. I think I would have loved 
> > it even more! :) I was really missing people of color in the film, and 
> > having one as a main character would have really made me smile as a kid. 
> > Maybe in one of those alternate universes there are all of the movies with 
> > alternate castings. 
> > 
> > 
> > There's a bunch of jokes that I could make about the Black Han Solo showing 
> > Princess Leia his...ahem "chocolate light saber.." but I won't make that 
> > joke... Nope... No way... 
> > 
> > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 2:03 AM, Kelwyn  wrote: 
> > 
> > > This reminds me of an old thread I started on this list many eons ago 
> > > about 
> > > how weren't any cool white actors under 50 because in the past cool white 
> > > actors were just stand ins for cool black guys. Disappointingly, 
> > > Hollywood 
> > > seems to be regressing back to the bad old days. 
> > > 
> > > ~(no)rave! 
> > > 
> > > http://xaiquaox. < http://xaiquaox.notlong.com > notlong.com 
> > > 
> > > Here's Turman in a 2007 interview. 
> > > 
> > > Q. Is it true that you were originally cast as Han Solo in Star Wars? 
> > > 
> > > A. That was in George Lucas' book. Apparently George Lucas had me in mind 
> > > for the role, and then thought that there might be too much controversy 
> > > between a white Princess Leia and a black Han Solo â€" because those 
> > > were the 
> > > times â€" and he didn't want to get into that. At the time, I had no 
> > > idea. I 
> > > just went to the audition, did it and got out of there. Years later, I 
> > > read 
> > > his book and said, "What?" I'm waiting to run into Harrison Ford and get 
> > > my 
> > > cu

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Teen Titans: Blackest Night

[Omari Confer]

The two blackest night covers i saw had a dead blonde titan kissing Beast
Boy and one with her hands up controlling rock..sounds like terra to me

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 4:52 PM, B Smith  wrote:

>
>
> It's Dove. Her former partner Hawk/Monarch/Extant becoming one of the Black
> Lanterns is part of the storyline.
>
> Also Terra was a blonde and Dove has white/silver hair and the costume is
> very different. The original Terra is also one of the Black Lanterns.
>
> Apparently there is a new Terra and she's a brunette with a different
> origin and costume.
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Omari
> Confer  wrote:
> >
> > I think that might be Terraand not Dove.
> >
> > c w m
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Martin Baxter wrote:
>
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > No, rave. That's a funny angle on her, making he rloook darker-skinned
> than
> > > she is. Dove is one pale little thang.
> > >
> > >
> > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> > > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> > > From: ravena...@...
>
> > > Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:08:46 +
> > > Subject: [scifinoir2] Teen Titans: Blackest Night
> > >
> > >
> > > I don't read "Teen Titans" (or any other comic, currently) so tell me
> > > true - is the woman on the cover of this issue (link below) some kind
> of
> > > broke ass Storm?
> > >
> > > ~rave?
> > >
> > > http://blackgeekdom.com/blog/2009/10/29/new-comics-10-28-09/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
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> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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> > http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com
> > STRING THEORY
> > http://stringtheory.podbean.com
> > Netflix Friends
> > http://www.netflix.com/BeMyFriend/P5Vr384ukvNnY78xUJOT
> >
>
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Re: [scifinoir2] Feds Charge Cable Modem Modder With ‘Aiding Computer Intrusion’

[Keith Johnson]

What fascinates me is that one can modify a modem to gain higher speed. Makes 
you think about how long it takes upgrades to officially trickle down to users, 
eh? 

- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 2:58:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Feds Charge Cable Modem Modder With ‘Aiding Computer 
Intrusion’ 







Feds Charge Cable Modem Modder With ‘Aiding Computer Intrusion’ 



• By Kevin Poulsen Email Author
• November 2, 2009 | 
• 9:47 pm | 
• Categories: Cybersecurity , The Courts 
• 


cablemodem_bigAn Oregon hardware hacker and author has been hit with federal 
criminal charges arising from his longstanding business of selling unlocked 
cable modems that can be used to steal extra speed from a broadband provider, 
or obtain free service. 

Ryan Harris, known by his pen name DerEngel, was charged in Boston with a 
conspiracy count, and charges of aiding and abetting computer intrusion and 
wire fraud. 

“I read the indictment — it’s complete bullshit,” says 26-year-old Harris, 
author of the 2006 book Hacking the Cable Modem . “They’re filling in their own 
blanks. From my website I would never sell to anyone who had the intent to 
break the law.” 

Harris is the project organizer of TCNiSO, a band of tinkerers specializing in 
cable modem hacking. For five years the group has been producing tutorials on 
how to bypass the firmware locks on Motorola Surfboard modems — a process that 
sometimes involves soldering a special cable to a hidden terminal inside the 
device, or exploiting a buffer overflow in the modem’s web interface. 



TCNiSO also openly sells pre-modded modems for $100 which are already loaded 
with the group’s custom firmware, which lets the user control the modem’s 
functionality. Harris sold two unlocked Motorola Surfboard modems to an FBI 
agent through TCNiSO.net. 

The group’s work has been a boon to cable modem “uncappers,” who use the 
customized modems to crank up the speed of their internet access by downloading 
special configuration files from an ISP’s server. Users have also wielded the 
hacked modems to get free service by spoofing another customer’s MAC address — 
an attack that only works from a home that’s wired to the cable network but 
hasn’t had service officially activated. 

But Harris has long publicly distanced himself from the criminal applications 
of his work. “I never had instructions on my website to teach people how to do 
this,” he says. “I never condoned this type of behavior.” 

Indeed, most of the charges in the six-count indictment announced Monday focus 
on the activities of others. Four wire-fraud charges are based entirely on the 
fact that a juvenile computer hacker known as “Dshock” downloaded TCNiSO’s 
firmware and used it to steal broadband. 

Dshock pleaded guilty in Boston last year to computer intrusion and interstate 
threats in connection with DDoS and swatting attacks , and has since been 
sentenced to 11 months in custody. But the feds don’t allege that he knew or 
worked with Harris; just that he was one of the thousands of people to use the 
TCNiSO site. 

The indictment notes, however, that users openly sought and shared advice on 
uncapping and stealing cable (.pdf) on TCNiSO.net’s public forums. And the FBI 
allegedly found a single damning message on the forum posted personally by 
“DerEngel” in 2007. “Does anyone have any verified MAC addresses and/or config 
files for Phoenix (Az)? If sensitive, just pm me. Rewards will follow :)” 

The government says that TCNiSO has generated revenues of more than $1 million 
since 2003. 

Harris is free on his own recognizance and scheduled to appear in court in 
Boston later this month. He vows to fight the case. “I’ll tell you right now 
I’m not going to plead guilty.” 

He’s making a list of the legitimate uses of unlocked modems — he says he’s 
sold some to cable-modem companies as diagnostic gear — and is trying to raise 
funds for a private attorney. 

“The only evidence they have is the business I’ve been running for the last 
five years,” says Harris. “It’s like arresting every firearms dealer, because 
handguns can be used to commit murder.” 

See Also: 

• Hardware Hacker Charged With Selling Cable Modems That Get Free Internet 
• Time Warner Cable Exposes 65000 Customer Routers to Remote Hacks 
• Cable Modem Hacker Publishes a Tell-All 

RE: [scifinoir2] Michigan Man stuffs mouth with 16 cockroaches in record bid

[Martin Baxter]

(soothing images, pal... Isabella...)

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: astromancer2...@yahoo.com
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 20:24:10 -0800
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Michigan Man stuffs mouth with 16 cockroaches in 
record bid















 





  
...And we thank you for resisting the temptation...I would open this while 
munching a mouthfull of shimp...





From: Keith Johnson 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, October 25, 2009 1:32:07 PM
Subject: [scifinoir2] Michigan Man stuffs mouth with 16 cockroaches in record 
bid

  



Okaaay...and no, I did *not* Google for pics of this event!  :(

 * * * **
Man stuffs mouth with 16 cockroaches in record bid 

The Associated Press 




LANSING, Mich. — A Michigan pet store employee got himself a mouthful of 
cockroaches — on purpose. The Lansing State Journal reported Sean Murphy on 
Friday stuffed 16 Madagascar hissing cockroaches into his mouth. He was trying 
to set a new Guinness World Records mark and said the old record was 11.




Murphy initially got 12 squirming cockroaches into his mouth, but then kept 
adding them until he got to 16. He says it was a "big surprise" since he's 
never fit that many in his mouth before "in one try."

The employee of Preuss Pets in Lansing says each cockroach was at least 2½ 
inches long. Murphy says he might try for 20 next year. A video of the feat was 
posted on the newspaper's Web site.

Murphy's effort would need to be certified by Guinness for it to be official.




  

 

  













  
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[scifinoir2] Re: Teen Titans: Blackest Night

[B Smith]

It's Dove. Her former partner Hawk/Monarch/Extant becoming one of the Black 
Lanterns is part of the storyline. 

Also Terra was a blonde and Dove has white/silver hair and the costume is very 
different. The original Terra is also one of the Black Lanterns. 

Apparently there is a new Terra and she's a brunette with a different origin 
and costume. 


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Omari Confer  wrote:
>
> I think that might be Terraand not Dove.
> 
> c w m
> 
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Martin Baxter wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > No, rave. That's a funny angle on her, making he rloook darker-skinned than
> > she is. Dove is one pale little thang.
> >
> >
> > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > From: ravena...@...
> > Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:08:46 +
> > Subject: [scifinoir2] Teen Titans: Blackest Night
> >
> >
> >  I don't read "Teen Titans" (or any other comic, currently) so tell me
> > true - is the woman on the cover of this issue (link below) some kind of
> > broke ass Storm?
> >
> > ~rave?
> >
> > http://blackgeekdom.com/blog/2009/10/29/new-comics-10-28-09/
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up 
> > now.
> >
> > 
> >
> 
> 
> 
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> http://www.netflix.com/BeMyFriend/P5Vr384ukvNnY78xUJOT
>

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo?

[Mr. Worf]

At the time the Wochowski brothers were not well known and this was their
first big film. But I think if things were different it would have been
incredible.  Aliah, Will Smith? Wow.

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 6:04 AM, Augustus Augustus
wrote:

>
>
> but Rave, i thought the Will turned down Matrix because he was about 2 do
> Wild Wild West?  at least that is what he said when they interviewed him a
> few years ago.  he said that when the brothers tried 2 pitch him the role,
> he was kind of up in the air about it, so he chose 2 do WWW because of the
> director - whom had directed him in MIB - sodeberg (sp)
>
> Fate.
> p.s. on another tip, i would have loved 2 see col. war (my diff'rent world
> reference) as han solo.
>
> --- On *Tue, 11/3/09, Kelwyn * wrote:
>
>
> From: Kelwyn 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo?
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 6:59 AM
>
>
>
> Serendipity is everything (like the makers of "The Matrix" choosing Keanu
> Reeves over Will Smith) but can you imagine finding out (thirty years after
> the fact) that you ALMOST had the signature role in the most lucrative movie
> franchise of all time?
>
> ~(no)rave!
>
> --- In scifino...@yahoogro 
> ups.com,
> "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
> >
> > The movie would have been completely different. I think I would have
> loved
> > it even more! :) I was really missing people of color in the film, and
> > having one as a main character would have really made me smile as a kid.
> > Maybe in one of those alternate universes there are all of the movies
> with
> > alternate castings.
> >
> >
> > There's a bunch of jokes that I could make about the Black Han Solo
> showing
> > Princess Leia his...ahem "chocolate light saber.." but I won't make that
> > joke... Nope... No way...
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 2:03 AM, Kelwyn  wrote:
> >
> > > This reminds me of an old thread I started on this list many eons ago
> about
> > > how weren't any cool white actors under 50 because in the past cool
> white
> > > actors were just stand ins for cool black guys. Disappointingly,
> Hollywood
> > > seems to be regressing back to the bad old days.
> > >
> > > ~(no)rave!
> > >
> > > http://xaiquaox. notlong.com 
> > >
> > > Here's Turman in a 2007 interview.
> > >
> > > Q. Is it true that you were originally cast as Han Solo in Star Wars?
> > >
> > > A. That was in George Lucas' book. Apparently George Lucas had me in
> mind
> > > for the role, and then thought that there might be too much controversy
> > > between a white Princess Leia and a black Han Solo â€" because those
> were the
> > > times â€" and he didn't want to get into that. At the time, I had no
> idea. I
> > > just went to the audition, did it and got out of there. Years later, I
> read
> > > his book and said, "What?" I'm waiting to run into Harrison Ford and
> get my
> > > cut of his career.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  - - --
> > >
> > > Post your SciFiNoir Profile at
> > >
> > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /app/peoplemap2/ entry/add?
> fmvn=mapYahoo
> !
> > > Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
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> of_darkness/
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>
>
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[scifinoir2] Feds Charge Cable Modem Modder With ‘Aiding Comput er Intrusion’

[Mr. Worf]

Feds Charge Cable Modem Modder With ‘Aiding Computer Intrusion’

   - By Kevin Poulsen
[image:
   Email Author] 
   - November 2, 2009  |
   - 9:47 pm  |
   - Categories:
Cybersecurity,
   The Courts 
   -

 [image: 
cablemodem_big]An
Oregon hardware hacker and author has been hit with federal criminal charges
arising from his longstanding business of selling unlocked cable modems that
can be used to steal extra speed from a broadband provider, or obtain free
service.

Ryan Harris, known by his pen name DerEngel, was charged in Boston with a
conspiracy count, and charges of aiding and abetting computer intrusion and
wire fraud.

“I read the indictment — it’s complete bullshit,” says 26-year-old Harris,
author of the 2006 book Hacking the Cable
Modem.
“They’re filling in their own blanks. From my website I would never sell to
anyone who had the intent to break the law.”

Harris is the project organizer of TCNiSO, a band of
tinkerersspecializing in cable
modem hacking. For five years the group has been
producing tutorials on how to bypass the firmware locks on Motorola
Surfboard modems — a process that sometimes involves soldering a special
cable to a hidden terminal inside the device, or exploiting a buffer
overflow in the modem’s web interface.

 TCNiSO also openly sells pre-modded modems for $100 which are already
loaded with the group’s custom firmware, which lets the user control the
modem’s functionality.  Harris sold two unlocked Motorola Surfboard modems
to an FBI agent through TCNiSO.net.

The group’s work has been a boon to cable modem “uncappers,” who use the
customized modems to crank up the speed of their internet access by
downloading special configuration files from an ISP’s server. Users have
also wielded the hacked modems to get free service by spoofing another
customer’s MAC address — an attack that only works from a home that’s wired
to the cable network but hasn’t had service officially activated.

But Harris has long publicly distanced himself from the criminal
applications of his work. “I never had instructions on my website to teach
people how to do this,” he says. “I never condoned this type of behavior.”

Indeed, most of the charges in the six-count indictment announced Monday
focus on the activities of others. Four wire-fraud charges are based
entirely on the fact that a juvenile computer hacker known as “Dshock”
downloaded TCNiSO’s firmware and used it to steal broadband.

Dshock pleaded guilty in Boston last year to computer intrusion and
interstate threats in connection with DDoS and swatting
attacks,
and has since been sentenced to 11 months in custody. But the feds don’t
allege that he knew or worked with Harris; just that he was one of the
thousands of people to use the TCNiSO site.

The indictment notes, however, that users openly sought and shared advice on
uncapping and stealing
cable(.pdf)
on TCNiSO.net’s public forums. And the FBI allegedly found a single
damning message on the forum posted personally by “DerEngel” in 2007.  “Does
anyone have any verified MAC addresses and/or config files for Phoenix (Az)?
If sensitive, just pm me. Rewards will follow :)”

The government says that TCNiSO has generated revenues of more than $1
million since 2003.

Harris is free on his own recognizance and scheduled to appear in court in
Boston later this month. He vows to fight the case. “I’ll tell you right now
I’m not going to plead guilty.”

He’s making a list of the legitimate uses of unlocked modems — he says he’s
sold some to cable-modem companies as diagnostic gear — and is trying to
raise funds for a private attorney.

“The only evidence they have is the business I’ve been running for the last
five years,” says Harris. “It’s like arresting every firearms dealer,
because handguns can be used to commit murder.”

*See Also:*

   - Hardware Hacker Charged With Selling Cable Modems That Get Free
   Internet 
   - Time Warner Cable Exposes 65000 Customer Routers to Remote
Hacks
   - Cable Modem Hacker Publishes a
Tell-All

RE: [scifinoir2] Go See Astro Boy

[Martin Baxter]

I'm in the boat with you, pal. Just got paid fifteen hours ago, and I'm already 
too far under even to consider going to the movies this month.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: astromancer2...@yahoo.com
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 20:27:26 -0800
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Go See Astro Boy















 





  
...And I'm broke as susal...I usually have to wiat until they come out on 
DVD..then I can rent it...





From: Martin Baxter 
To: SciFiNoir2 ; ggs...@yahoo.com; 
cinque3...@verizon.net
Sent: Sun, October 25, 2009 2:40:17 PM
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Go See Astro Boy

  

I'll have to catch it next month. I'm broker than usual right now. Seeing the 
trailers, it is looking true to its old-school form.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik







To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com; ggs...@yahoo. com; cinque3...@verizon. net
From: tdli...@multicultur aladvantage. com
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 03:36:20 -0700
Subject: [scifinoir2] Go See Astro Boy

  





Took Kira my daughter to see Astroboy this afternoon.  When I was five, my two 
favorite cartoons were Astroboy and Prince Planet, so I guess I was predisposed 
to like the movie.Despite that, before all the great buzz, I was not 
expecting much.  But it really delivered.
 
I was checking out user reviews on IMDB, and some of the users do not seem to 
be loving it and only half of the critics on Rotten Tomatoes loved it, but I’m 
adding this to my list of top non-Japanese animated movies, along with Wall-E, 
The Incredibles and Monsters Inc. I think adult fans of anime will love 
this.Those critics that loved it, really loved it.  Expect those that have 
social commentary in their movies or scifi will hate it.I think they stayed 
true to  Osamu Tezuka's( the creator) vision 
 
As anyone else seen it?  Anyone planning on going?
 
 




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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Syfy Buys Remake of Being Human

[Mr. Worf]

Thanks Kelwyn. The ol' hedgehog has been busy for years. You'd think he
would have retired by now but I think he still does a few movies a year.
Nina Hartley was retired a while but got into education and now with a
market for older women she has a whole new career.

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Kelwyn  wrote:

> I laugh at your last paragraph because it is funny and I laugh at your last
> paragraph because it is true.  This, more than anything, validates my core
> belief: the Redoubtable Science of Paradox (everything one believes is
> something else altogether).  I salute you on your voluminous knowledge of
> the porn industry.
>
> By the by, "The Night of Giving Head" lost out to "Not Bewitched" starring
> Nina Hartley as Eudora (I was like "wow!" - Nina Hartley was doing her thang
> WAY back in my sane and sober youth!) and Ron Jeremy as Dr. Bombay ("wow!" -
> Ron Jeremy was doing HIS thang back in my sane and sober youth!)
>
> ~rave!
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
> >
> > You are right. Maybe Hollywood is copying them in some weird way? Porn
> has
> > been doing parodies of just about everything for years. Everything from
> the
> > Cosby show (This ain't the Cosby show) to the Brady Bunch (This aint the
> > Brady bunch) to the Octomom to Sarah Palin (Nailin Palin) to Star Trek.
> They
> > have also done just about every popular tv show on tv, and every major
> movie
> > release.
> >
> > To be honest, the porn industry is actually ahead of the regular movie
> > industry in technology and production rate. The porn industry has been
> > shooting HD video for about 3 or 4 years now and are beginning to move to
> > 3d! Surround sound, and multiple angles that the viewer can control is
> also
> > on some releases too.
> >
> > There are a few films that came out in the last year or two that used
> green
> > screen technology and CGI that was on par with most of Hollywood. (An
> > example would be Pirates and Pirates 2) Most of the technology that we
> use
> > owes its popularity to the adult industry. Home movies, VCRs, DVDs video
> > streaming etc. all became popular due to folks in the porn industry.
> > Unfortunately, the only time I heard anyone else say that was on a
> > technology show that the topic was the adult industry.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Kelwyn  wrote:
> >
> > > As I was surfing through the gamut of pay movie channels I subscribe to
> the
> > > other night, I stumbled across the Adult Film News Awards (AVNs).  I
> mention
> > > this because nobody does remakes like the adult film industry ("Saving
> > > Ryan's Privates," anyone?).  I was so distraught when "The Night of
> Giving
> > > Head" did not win a "Woody."
> > >
> > > ~(no)rave!
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I agree. For example, I see no reason for a remake of "V". Doesn't
> even
> > > matter if the remake is good: i don't see what the new version can add
> to
> > > the territory covered by the original. In that case, it is only a
> matter of
> > > tweaking some FX, CGI, etc. Even a reflection of recent social change
> (which
> > > can sometimes be a reason to update a property) isn't really needed in
> a
> > > update, as women and blacks were front and center in the movie: the
> lead
> > > Visitor is a woman, a woman ended up leading the Resistance in America,
> and
> > > a black man was a key member of the Resistance.
> > > >
> > > > - Original Message -
> > > > From: "Mr. Worf" 
> > > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Sunday, November 1, 2009 1:17:26 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada
> Eastern
> > > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Syfy Buys Remake of Being Human
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I think the Prisoner was a good show too but I think that they could
> do
> > > some really cool stuff with newer technology. The problem is that
> Hollywood
> > > is chewing up every tv show, movie, kids's show, and kid's movie that
> they
> > > can get their hands on. (The Grinch, Cat in the hat, Flinstones etc.)
> Sooner
> > > or later they will run out of material. Then what? Rework the movies
> that
> > > were less popular? Maybe Jason Robard's A 1000 Clowns?
> > > >
> > > > Dark Shadows is already on the pre-production list by the way...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 10:13 PM, marian_changling < md_moore42@ >
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Has no one mentioned the remake of "The Prisoner" also? Why, oh why?
> > > >
> > > > http://www.amctv.com/originals/the-prisoner/
> > > >
> > > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson 
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > yeah, I should have pointed that out, but that goes back to my
> question
> > > of "Why"? What does it mean to take a smart creative team and have them
> > > "Americanize" a great series? And, though they are behind it, note that
> this
> > > is a partnership with SyFy. So as you s

RE: [scifinoir2] Fed s Charge Cable Modem Modder With ‘Aiding Computer Intrusion’

[Martin Baxter]

Sounds as though the revolution is gaining steam.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:58:34 -0800
Subject: [scifinoir2] Feds Charge Cable Modem Modder With ‘Aiding Computer 
Intrusion’















 





  
Feds Charge Cable Modem Modder With ‘Aiding Computer Intrusion’



By Kevin Poulsen 




November 2, 2009 | 

9:47 pm | 

   Categories: Cybersecurity,  The Courts   
 







An
Oregon hardware hacker and author has been hit with federal criminal
charges arising from his longstanding business of selling unlocked
cable modems that can be used to steal extra speed from a broadband
provider, or obtain free service.

Ryan Harris, known by his pen name DerEngel, was charged in Boston
with a conspiracy count, and charges of aiding and abetting computer
intrusion and wire fraud.

“I read the indictment — it’s complete bullshit,” says 26-year-old Harris, 
author of the 2006 book Hacking the Cable Modem. “They’re filling in their own 
blanks. From my website I would never sell to anyone who had the intent to 
break the law.”


Harris is the project organizer of TCNiSO, a band of tinkerers
specializing in cable modem hacking. For five years the group has been
producing tutorials on how to bypass the firmware locks on Motorola
Surfboard modems — a process that sometimes involves soldering a
special cable to a hidden terminal inside the device, or exploiting a
buffer overflow in the modem’s web interface.




TCNiSO also openly sells pre-modded modems for $100 which are
already loaded with the group’s custom firmware, which lets the user
control the modem’s functionality.  Harris sold two unlocked Motorola
Surfboard modems to an FBI agent through TCNiSO.net.

The group’s work has been a boon to cable modem “uncappers,” who use
the customized modems to crank up the speed of their internet access by
downloading special configuration files from an ISP’s server. Users
have also wielded the hacked modems to get free service by spoofing
another customer’s MAC address — an attack that only works from a home
that’s wired to the cable network but hasn’t had service officially
activated.

But Harris has long publicly distanced himself from the criminal
applications of his work. “I never had instructions on my website to
teach people how to do this,” he says. “I never condoned this type of
behavior.”

Indeed, most of the charges in the six-count indictment announced
Monday focus on the activities of others. Four wire-fraud charges are
based entirely on the fact that a juvenile computer hacker known as
“Dshock” downloaded TCNiSO’s firmware and used it to steal broadband.

Dshock pleaded guilty in Boston last year to computer intrusion and interstate 
threats in connection with DDoS and swatting attacks,
and has since been sentenced to 11 months in custody. But the feds
don’t allege that he knew or worked with Harris; just that he was one
of the thousands of people to use the TCNiSO site.

The indictment notes, however, that users openly sought and shared advice on 
uncapping and stealing cable
(.pdf) on TCNiSO.net’s public forums. And the FBI allegedly found a
single damning message on the forum posted personally by “DerEngel” in
2007.  “Does anyone have any verified MAC addresses and/or config files
for Phoenix (Az)? If sensitive, just pm me. Rewards will follow :)”

The government says that TCNiSO has generated revenues of more than $1 million 
since 2003.

Harris is free on his own recognizance and scheduled to appear in
court in Boston later this month. He vows to fight the case. “I’ll tell
you right now I’m not going to plead guilty.”

He’s making a list of the legitimate uses of unlocked modems — he
says he’s sold some to cable-modem companies as diagnostic gear — and
is trying to raise funds for a private attorney.

“The only evidence they have is the business I’ve been running for
the last five years,” says Harris. “It’s like arresting every firearms
dealer, because handguns can be used to commit murder.”

See Also:

Hardware Hacker Charged With Selling Cable Modems That Get Free InternetTime 
Warner Cable Exposes 65000 Customer Routers to Remote Hacks
Cable Modem Hacker Publishes a Tell-All



 

  













  

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo?

[Mr. Worf]

Now the combination of Will Smith and Val Kilmer wouldn't have worked for
me. I don't think that Val Kilmer would have worked as Morpheus. However, I
still have problems with computer geeks doing mental martial arts and saving
the world. :)

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 12:41 PM, B Smith  wrote:

> Supposedly Will was their Neo and Val Kilmer was Morpheus. Both ended up
> bowing out of the film.
>
> I think Jet Li turned down the role of Seraph to do The One. I also read
> that he was concerned that the amount of time needed to film both sequels
> would cause other conflicts.
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hey Rave:
> >
> >
> >
> > I’m pretty sure Will Smith turned it down, just like Jet Li turned down
> a part in it.  They wanted Smith first.  At least that is how I remember
> Smith and Jada telling it in interviews.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Mr. Worf
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 11:36 AM
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At the time the Wochowski brothers were not well known and this was their
> first big film. But I think if things were different it would have been
> incredible.  Aliah, Will Smith? Wow.
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 6:04 AM, Augustus Augustus 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > but Rave, i thought the Will turned down Matrix because he was about 2 do
> Wild Wild West?  at least that is what he said when they interviewed him a
> few years ago.  he said that when the brothers tried 2 pitch him the role,
> he was kind of up in the air about it, so he chose 2 do WWW because of the
> director - whom had directed him in MIB - sodeberg (sp)
> >
> > Fate.
> > p.s. on another tip, i would have loved 2 see col. war (my diff'rent
> world reference) as han solo.
> >
> > --- On Tue, 11/3/09, Kelwyn  wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Kelwyn 
> > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo?
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 6:59 AM
> >
> >
> >
> > Serendipity is everything (like the makers of "The Matrix" choosing Keanu
> Reeves over Will Smith) but can you imagine finding out (thirty years after
> the fact) that you ALMOST had the signature role in the most lucrative movie
> franchise of all time?
> >
> > ~(no)rave!
> >
> > --- In scifino...@yahoogro <
> http://mc/compose?to=scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com>  ups.com, "Mr. Worf"
>  wrote:
> > >
> > > The movie would have been completely different. I think I would have
> loved
> > > it even more! :) I was really missing people of color in the film, and
> > > having one as a main character would have really made me smile as a
> kid.
> > > Maybe in one of those alternate universes there are all of the movies
> with
> > > alternate castings.
> > >
> > >
> > > There's a bunch of jokes that I could make about the Black Han Solo
> showing
> > > Princess Leia his...ahem "chocolate light saber.." but I won't make
> that
> > > joke... Nope... No way...
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 2:03 AM, Kelwyn  wrote:
> > >
> > > > This reminds me of an old thread I started on this list many eons ago
> about
> > > > how weren't any cool white actors under 50 because in the past cool
> white
> > > > actors were just stand ins for cool black guys. Disappointingly,
> Hollywood
> > > > seems to be regressing back to the bad old days.
> > > >
> > > > ~(no)rave!
> > > >
> > > > http://xaiquaox.   notlong.com
> > > >
> > > > Here's Turman in a 2007 interview.
> > > >
> > > > Q. Is it true that you were originally cast as Han Solo in Star Wars?
> > > >
> > > > A. That was in George Lucas' book. Apparently George Lucas had me in
> mind
> > > > for the role, and then thought that there might be too much
> controversy
> > > > between a white Princess Leia and a black Han Solo â€" because
> those were the
> > > > times â€" and he didn't want to get into that. At the time, I had
> no idea. I
> > > > just went to the audition, did it and got out of there. Years later,
> I read
> > > > his book and said, "What?" I'm waiting to run into Harrison Ford and
> get my
> > > > cut of his career.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  - - --
> > > >
> > > > Post your SciFiNoir Profile at
> > > >
> > > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /app/peoplemap2/ <
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo>
>  entry/add? fmvn=mapYahoo!
> > > > Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years!
> > > Mahogany at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/mahogany_ pleasures_ <
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/>
>  of_darkness/
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years!
> > Mahogany

[scifinoir2] Re: Fringe losing audience on Thursdays

[B Smith]

This move really didn't make sense but we are talking about Fox. They love to 
move solid performing shows to other nights and timeslots.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>
> The moving shows around is moronic to me. I understand moving a show if it
> is not doing good in a particular time slot, but the concept of putting it
> against a show that has a similar audience and forcing them to choose is
> just stupid to me. There have been a ton of good shows that have gone to an
> early grave because tv execs were experimenting with time slots.
> 
> I do not think Xfiles would make it on tv today because of the way they are
> moving things around.
> 
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 7:25 AM, B Smith  wrote:
> 
> > It's also going head to head with Supernatural and that's probably hurting
> > both shows. I have all of this season's episodes on dvr but I haven't seen
> > any of them.
> >
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
> > >
> > > I think that as the show progresses it has lost a bit of the wonderment.
> > It
> > > isn't as fantastical as the first season was. In the first season we saw
> > a
> > > lot of really cool stuff that was never seen before like the people
> > trapped
> > > in amber.
> > >
> > > On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Kelwyn  wrote:
> > >
> > > > In its second season, the sci-fi mystery is getting clobbered in a
> > tough
> > > > Thursday night time slot.
> > > >
> > > > It's down 26% from the season premiere of 7.8 million.
> > > >
> > > > ~(no)rave!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > > Post your SciFiNoir Profile at
> > > >
> > > >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo
> > !
> > > > Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years!
> > > Mahogany at:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> > Post your SciFiNoir Profile at
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo!
> > Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Fringe losing audience on Thursdays

[Mr. Worf]

The moving shows around is moronic to me. I understand moving a show if it
is not doing good in a particular time slot, but the concept of putting it
against a show that has a similar audience and forcing them to choose is
just stupid to me. There have been a ton of good shows that have gone to an
early grave because tv execs were experimenting with time slots.

I do not think Xfiles would make it on tv today because of the way they are
moving things around.

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 7:25 AM, B Smith  wrote:

> It's also going head to head with Supernatural and that's probably hurting
> both shows. I have all of this season's episodes on dvr but I haven't seen
> any of them.
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
> >
> > I think that as the show progresses it has lost a bit of the wonderment.
> It
> > isn't as fantastical as the first season was. In the first season we saw
> a
> > lot of really cool stuff that was never seen before like the people
> trapped
> > in amber.
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Kelwyn  wrote:
> >
> > > In its second season, the sci-fi mystery is getting clobbered in a
> tough
> > > Thursday night time slot.
> > >
> > > It's down 26% from the season premiere of 7.8 million.
> > >
> > > ~(no)rave!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > Post your SciFiNoir Profile at
> > >
> > >
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo
> !
> > > Groups Links
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> > >
> > >
> > >
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[scifinoir2] The original V

[Mr. Worf]

I have been watching the original V rebroadcast on syfy. Watching the show I
can see many of the sets that were used on STNG, Space 1999, and other shows
that took me down a scifi memory lane. :)


I also noticed one of the subplots was used in Independence day.
--

[scifinoir2] Re: Syfy Buys Remake of Being Human

[Kelwyn]

I laugh at your last paragraph because it is funny and I laugh at your last 
paragraph because it is true.  This, more than anything, validates my core 
belief: the Redoubtable Science of Paradox (everything one believes is 
something else altogether).  I salute you on your voluminous knowledge of the 
porn industry.

By the by, "The Night of Giving Head" lost out to "Not Bewitched" starring Nina 
Hartley as Eudora (I was like "wow!" - Nina Hartley was doing her thang WAY 
back in my sane and sober youth!) and Ron Jeremy as Dr. Bombay ("wow!" - Ron 
Jeremy was doing HIS thang back in my sane and sober youth!)

~rave!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>
> You are right. Maybe Hollywood is copying them in some weird way? Porn has
> been doing parodies of just about everything for years. Everything from the
> Cosby show (This ain't the Cosby show) to the Brady Bunch (This aint the
> Brady bunch) to the Octomom to Sarah Palin (Nailin Palin) to Star Trek. They
> have also done just about every popular tv show on tv, and every major movie
> release.
> 
> To be honest, the porn industry is actually ahead of the regular movie
> industry in technology and production rate. The porn industry has been
> shooting HD video for about 3 or 4 years now and are beginning to move to
> 3d! Surround sound, and multiple angles that the viewer can control is also
> on some releases too.
> 
> There are a few films that came out in the last year or two that used green
> screen technology and CGI that was on par with most of Hollywood. (An
> example would be Pirates and Pirates 2) Most of the technology that we use
> owes its popularity to the adult industry. Home movies, VCRs, DVDs video
> streaming etc. all became popular due to folks in the porn industry.
> Unfortunately, the only time I heard anyone else say that was on a
> technology show that the topic was the adult industry.
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Kelwyn  wrote:
> 
> > As I was surfing through the gamut of pay movie channels I subscribe to the
> > other night, I stumbled across the Adult Film News Awards (AVNs).  I mention
> > this because nobody does remakes like the adult film industry ("Saving
> > Ryan's Privates," anyone?).  I was so distraught when "The Night of Giving
> > Head" did not win a "Woody."
> >
> > ~(no)rave!
> >
> >
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I agree. For example, I see no reason for a remake of "V". Doesn't even
> > matter if the remake is good: i don't see what the new version can add to
> > the territory covered by the original. In that case, it is only a matter of
> > tweaking some FX, CGI, etc. Even a reflection of recent social change (which
> > can sometimes be a reason to update a property) isn't really needed in a
> > update, as women and blacks were front and center in the movie: the lead
> > Visitor is a woman, a woman ended up leading the Resistance in America, and
> > a black man was a key member of the Resistance.
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Mr. Worf" 
> > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Sunday, November 1, 2009 1:17:26 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Syfy Buys Remake of Being Human
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I think the Prisoner was a good show too but I think that they could do
> > some really cool stuff with newer technology. The problem is that Hollywood
> > is chewing up every tv show, movie, kids's show, and kid's movie that they
> > can get their hands on. (The Grinch, Cat in the hat, Flinstones etc.) Sooner
> > or later they will run out of material. Then what? Rework the movies that
> > were less popular? Maybe Jason Robard's A 1000 Clowns?
> > >
> > > Dark Shadows is already on the pre-production list by the way...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 10:13 PM, marian_changling < md_moore42@ >
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Has no one mentioned the remake of "The Prisoner" also? Why, oh why?
> > >
> > > http://www.amctv.com/originals/the-prisoner/
> > >
> > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson 
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > yeah, I should have pointed that out, but that goes back to my question
> > of "Why"? What does it mean to take a smart creative team and have them
> > "Americanize" a great series? And, though they are behind it, note that this
> > is a partnership with SyFy. So as you say, i wonder how much control SyFy
> > will have?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > - Original Message -
> > > > From: "Tracey de Morsella" 
> > > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 11:25:51 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> > > > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Syfy Buys Remake of Being Human
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I just read the whole thing. Syfy is going to use the original
> > producers. The question is, how tight a leash are they going to have around
> 

[scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo?

[B Smith]

Supposedly Will was their Neo and Val Kilmer was Morpheus. Both ended up bowing 
out of the film.

I think Jet Li turned down the role of Seraph to do The One. I also read that 
he was concerned that the amount of time needed to film both sequels would 
cause other conflicts.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella"  wrote:
>
> Hey Rave:
> 
>  
> 
> I’m pretty sure Will Smith turned it down, just like Jet Li turned down a 
> part in it.  They wanted Smith first.  At least that is how I remember Smith 
> and Jada telling it in interviews.  
> 
>  
> 
> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Mr. Worf
> Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 11:36 AM
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo?
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> At the time the Wochowski brothers were not well known and this was their 
> first big film. But I think if things were different it would have been 
> incredible.  Aliah, Will Smith? Wow. 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 6:04 AM, Augustus Augustus  wrote:
> 
>  
> 
> 
> but Rave, i thought the Will turned down Matrix because he was about 2 do 
> Wild Wild West?  at least that is what he said when they interviewed him a 
> few years ago.  he said that when the brothers tried 2 pitch him the role, he 
> was kind of up in the air about it, so he chose 2 do WWW because of the 
> director - whom had directed him in MIB - sodeberg (sp)
> 
> Fate.
> p.s. on another tip, i would have loved 2 see col. war (my diff'rent world 
> reference) as han solo.
> 
> --- On Tue, 11/3/09, Kelwyn  wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Kelwyn 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo?
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 6:59 AM
> 
>   
> 
> Serendipity is everything (like the makers of "The Matrix" choosing Keanu 
> Reeves over Will Smith) but can you imagine finding out (thirty years after 
> the fact) that you ALMOST had the signature role in the most lucrative movie 
> franchise of all time?
> 
> ~(no)rave!
> 
> --- In scifino...@yahoogro 
>   ups.com, "Mr. Worf" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > The movie would have been completely different. I think I would have loved
> > it even more! :) I was really missing people of color in the film, and
> > having one as a main character would have really made me smile as a kid.
> > Maybe in one of those alternate universes there are all of the movies with
> > alternate castings.
> > 
> > 
> > There's a bunch of jokes that I could make about the Black Han Solo showing
> > Princess Leia his...ahem "chocolate light saber.." but I won't make that
> > joke... Nope... No way...
> > 
> > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 2:03 AM, Kelwyn  wrote:
> > 
> > > This reminds me of an old thread I started on this list many eons ago 
> > > about
> > > how weren't any cool white actors under 50 because in the past cool white
> > > actors were just stand ins for cool black guys. Disappointingly, Hollywood
> > > seems to be regressing back to the bad old days.
> > >
> > > ~(no)rave!
> > >
> > > http://xaiquaox.   notlong.com
> > >
> > > Here's Turman in a 2007 interview.
> > >
> > > Q. Is it true that you were originally cast as Han Solo in Star Wars?
> > >
> > > A. That was in George Lucas' book. Apparently George Lucas had me in mind
> > > for the role, and then thought that there might be too much controversy
> > > between a white Princess Leia and a black Han Solo â€" because those 
> > > were the
> > > times â€" and he didn't want to get into that. At the time, I had no 
> > > idea. I
> > > just went to the audition, did it and got out of there. Years later, I 
> > > read
> > > his book and said, "What?" I'm waiting to run into Harrison Ford and get 
> > > my
> > > cut of his career.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  - - --
> > >
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> > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /app/peoplemap2/ 
> > > 
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> > >
> > >
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RE: [scifinoir2] DVR , Once TV’s Mortal F oe, Helps Ratings

[Martin Baxter]

May the cable companies end in thirst.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 19:43:01 -0800
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Re: [scifinoir2] Feds Charge Cable Modem Modder With ‘Aiding Computer Intrusion’

[Mr. Worf]

Yea, Webtv used that technology 10 years ago to add speed to their systems.
It was a good idea and still is. The problem is that the game is different
now. Some areas are worse than others but I am sure that you have heard the
problems that people have ran into with throttling down and limiting the
amount of downloading that is going on across the country. (that's why I
dropped having a cable modem. After I got home from work I couldn't log on!)


Theoretically, a cable modem can download up to 100mbs. A business
connection from comscum runs almost the same price as a regular person. They
get 16mbs for $90 a month vs 8mbs for $50 for a regular joe. Most people
probably are not getting that speed with old wire. Which is why they aren't
offering higher speeds I suspect.

What we really need is a system that allows us to download as fast as
technologically possible. For the same price.

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 5:36 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:

>
>
> What fascinates me is that one can modify a modem to gain higher speed.
> Makes you think about how long it takes upgrades to officially trickle down
> to users, eh?
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mr. Worf" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 2:58:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Feds Charge Cable Modem Modder With ‘Aiding Computer
> Intrusion’
>
>
>
>
> Feds Charge Cable Modem Modder With ‘Aiding Computer Intrusion’
>
>- By Kevin Poulsen 
> [image:
>Email Author] 
>- November 2, 2009  |
>- 9:47 pm  |
>- Categories: 
> Cybersecurity,
>The Courts 
>-
>
>  [image: 
> cablemodem_big]An
> Oregon hardware hacker and author has been hit with federal criminal charges
> arising from his longstanding business of selling unlocked cable modems that
> can be used to steal extra speed from a broadband provider, or obtain free
> service.
>
> Ryan Harris, known by his pen name DerEngel, was charged in Boston with a
> conspiracy count, and charges of aiding and abetting computer intrusion and
> wire fraud.
>
> “I read the indictment — it’s complete bullshit,” says 26-year-old Harris,
> author of the 2006 book Hacking the Cable 
> Modem.
> “They’re filling in their own blanks. From my website I would never sell to
> anyone who had the intent to break the law.”
>
> Harris is the project organizer of TCNiSO, a band of 
> tinkerersspecializing in cable modem 
> hacking. For five years the group has been
> producing tutorials on how to bypass the firmware locks on Motorola
> Surfboard modems — a process that sometimes involves soldering a special
> cable to a hidden terminal inside the device, or exploiting a buffer
> overflow in the modem’s web interface.
>
>  TCNiSO also openly sells pre-modded modems for $100 which are already
> loaded with the group’s custom firmware, which lets the user control the
> modem’s functionality.  Harris sold two unlocked Motorola Surfboard modems
> to an FBI agent through TCNiSO.net.
>
> The group’s work has been a boon to cable modem “uncappers,” who use the
> customized modems to crank up the speed of their internet access by
> downloading special configuration files from an ISP’s server. Users have
> also wielded the hacked modems to get free service by spoofing another
> customer’s MAC address — an attack that only works from a home that’s wired
> to the cable network but hasn’t had service officially activated.
>
> But Harris has long publicly distanced himself from the criminal
> applications of his work. “I never had instructions on my website to teach
> people how to do this,” he says. “I never condoned this type of behavior.”
>
> Indeed, most of the charges in the six-count indictment announced Monday
> focus on the activities of others. Four wire-fraud charges are based
> entirely on the fact that a juvenile computer hacker known as “Dshock”
> downloaded TCNiSO’s firmware and used it to steal broadband.
>
> Dshock pleaded guilty in Boston last year to computer intrusion and
> interstate threats in connection with DDoS and swatting 
> attacks,
> and has since been sentenced to 11 months in custody. But the feds don’t
> allege that he knew or worked with Harris; just that he was one of the
> thousands of people to use the TCNiSO site.
>
> The indictment notes, however, that users openly sought and shared advice
> on uncapping and stealing 
> cable(.pdf)
>  on TCNiSO.net’s public forums. And the FBI allegedly found a single
> damning message on the forum posted personally by “DerEngel” in 2007.  “Does
> anyone hav

[scifinoir2] Re: The original V

[Mr. Worf]

The original mini-series was well done. Watching it again from the beginning
was a nice refresher. The tv series had a much lower budget and a much
smaller cast which made it feel more like the A-Team vs the aliens.

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 2:14 PM, Mr. Worf  wrote:

> I have been watching the original V rebroadcast on syfy. Watching the show
> I can see many of the sets that were used on STNG, Space 1999, and other
> shows that took me down a scifi memory lane. :)
>
>
> I also noticed one of the subplots was used in Independence day.
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[scifinoir2] CNBC Reporter Doesn't Think Naturalized Americans Are Really Americans

[B Smith]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/03/referring-to-marathon-win_n_343772.html

Referring To Marathon Winner As "Technically American" Has Become A Disturbing 
Trend [UPDATE]

It really takes a special kind of irredeemable pigheadedness to read about 
American marathon runner Meb Keflezighi's victory in the New York City marathon 
and decide that the moment calls for a display of pissy, fact-free nationalism. 
But that's just what CNBC's Darren Rovell has done:

It's a stunning headline: American Wins Men's NYC Marathon For First Time Since 
'82. 
Unfortunately, it's not as good as it sounds.

Meb Keflezighi, who won yesterday in New York, is technically American by 
virtue of him becoming a citizen in 1998, but the fact that he's not 
American-born takes away from the magnitude of the achievement the headline 
implies.


I don't know. According to the newspaper, this is what happened in the New York 
City marathon:

Keflezighi pointed to those U.S.A. letters as he neared the finish line, riding 
the roar of the Central Park crowd to become the first American man to win the 
race since Alberto Salazar in 1982. He did it by vanquishing two Kenyans 
considered the favorites, a rare feat for an American in any distance race. 
And he played the lead in a huge United States resurgence: six Americans 
finished in the top 10, a number not seen since 1979.

"It was a great day for me and a great day for us American guys," Keflezighi 
said. "And I think we are only the start of it."

Keflezighi (pronounced ka-FLEZ-ghee) dropped to the ground, tears streaming 
down his face, when he won in his best time of 2 hours 9 minutes 15 seconds -- 
41 seconds ahead of Kenya's Robert Cheruiyot, a four-time winner of the Boston 
Marathon and one of the most accomplished marathoners in history.


Now, Rovell is just one of many ridiculous fools who have decided to step out 
on this "this victory didn't really count" vanguard, but my question to him is 
the same to everyone forming a part of that brainless mini-movement:

Story continues below  Do you have any facts at your disposal to refute the 
premise that an American won the New York City marathon in 2:09:15? No? Then, 
hey, here's a hot sack of shut up for you!

Let's go back to some of the actual marathon story, just for a little 
perspective on Meb Keflezighi.

"U.S.A. gave me all the opportunities, education, sports, lifestyle," 
Keflezighi said. "When you dream, you dream. You don't give up." 
His running career took off once his family settled here. He won four N.C.A.A. 
titles at U.C.L.A. and became an American citizen in 1998. He lives with his 
wife, Yordanos, and their two daughters in Mammoth Lakes, Calif., now, leading 
his fellow runners by example and inspiration.


Fun facts: Keflezighi won a silver medal -- for America -- in the 2004 
Olympics, too. It counted! Old Glory flew behind him on the medal stand and 
everything. Also, his American teammates seem to love the guy:

"If there was one other guy in the race that I wanted to win, it was Meb," 
[U.S.A. marathoner Ryan] Hall said. "I've learned so much from him. I feel like 
he's an older brother to me, so it was really neat for him to win. Just seeing 
him go through those hard times and a lot of people were starting to write him 
off."
What Rovell seems to be struggling with here is just a guy with a name that he 
finds inconvenient to pronounce, something that Stephen Colbert ably parodied 
last night:

Whether or not you're of the opinion that Meb Keflezighi has done more for his 
country than, say, Darren Rovell, ridiculous fool, is, I suppose, a matter of 
opinion.

UPDATE: Rovell has now apologized for his previous column:

I said that Keflezighi's win, the first by an American since 1982, wasn't as 
big as it was being made out to be because there was a difference between being 
an American-born product and being an American citizen. Frankly I didn't 
account for the fact that virtually all of Keflezighi's running experience came 
as a US citizen. I never said he didn't deserve to be called American. 

All I was saying was that we should celebrate an American marathon champion who 
has completely been brought up through the American system.

This is where, I must admit, my critics made their best point. It turns out, 
Keflezighi moved to the United States in time to develop at every level in 
America. So Meb is in fact an American trained athlete and an American citizen 
and he should be celebrated as the American winner of the NYC Marathon. That 
makes a difference and makes him different from the "ringer" I accused him of 
being. Meb didn't deserve that comparison and I apologize for that.


That's all well and good. But all the "facts" he now accounts for having turned 
him around weren't exactly highly guarded mysteries, they were widely available 
to anyone who cared to seek them out. 

I'm also still terribly confused what bearing being "brought up through the 
American system" of marathon r

Re: [scifinoir2] Teen Titans: Blackest Night

[Omari Confer]

I think that might be Terraand not Dove.

c w m

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Martin Baxter wrote:

>
>
> No, rave. That's a funny angle on her, making he rloook darker-skinned than
> she is. Dove is one pale little thang.
>
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: ravena...@yahoo.com
> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:08:46 +
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Teen Titans: Blackest Night
>
>
>  I don't read "Teen Titans" (or any other comic, currently) so tell me
> true - is the woman on the cover of this issue (link below) some kind of
> broke ass Storm?
>
> ~rave?
>
> http://blackgeekdom.com/blog/2009/10/29/new-comics-10-28-09/
>
>
>
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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Keith, I believe that you asked what Pat Boone was up to...

[Martin Baxter]

Keith, I think you once said, "Now I know why he wears white bucks..." 

This all reads as a really amusing sub-text to the Implosion of the Right. 
Can't wait to see who plays who in the movie.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: daikaij...@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 03:31:08 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Keith, I believe that you asked what Pat Boone was up 
to...















 





  The funniest thing is reading the apologists trying to play 
dumb. Nope, no racially charged language in that article.right.



--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:

>

> wow, true colors shining through 

> 

> - Original Message - 

> From: "Martin Baxter"  

> To: "SciFiNoir2"  

> Sent: Monday, November 2, 2009 8:52:48 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 

> Subject: [scifinoir2] Keith, I believe that you asked what Pat Boone was up 
> to... 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> And here he is, floridly preaching hate, as only a good hatemonger can... 

> 

> http://mediamatters.org/blog/200911020030 

> 

> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

> 

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 

> 

> 

> 

> 

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[scifinoir2] Re: Syfy Buys Remake of Being Human

[Kelwyn]

As I was surfing through the gamut of pay movie channels I subscribe to the 
other night, I stumbled across the Adult Film News Awards (AVNs).  I mention 
this because nobody does remakes like the adult film industry ("Saving Ryan's 
Privates," anyone?).  I was so distraught when "The Night of Giving Head" did 
not win a "Woody."

~(no)rave!


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:
>
> I agree. For example, I see no reason for a remake of "V". Doesn't even 
> matter if the remake is good: i don't see what the new version can add to the 
> territory covered by the original. In that case, it is only a matter of 
> tweaking some FX, CGI, etc. Even a reflection of recent social change (which 
> can sometimes be a reason to update a property) isn't really needed in a 
> update, as women and blacks were front and center in the movie: the lead 
> Visitor is a woman, a woman ended up leading the Resistance in America, and a 
> black man was a key member of the Resistance. 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Mr. Worf"  
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, November 1, 2009 1:17:26 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Syfy Buys Remake of Being Human 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I think the Prisoner was a good show too but I think that they could do some 
> really cool stuff with newer technology. The problem is that Hollywood is 
> chewing up every tv show, movie, kids's show, and kid's movie that they can 
> get their hands on. (The Grinch, Cat in the hat, Flinstones etc.) Sooner or 
> later they will run out of material. Then what? Rework the movies that were 
> less popular? Maybe Jason Robard's A 1000 Clowns? 
> 
> Dark Shadows is already on the pre-production list by the way... 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 10:13 PM, marian_changling < md_moor...@... > wrote: 
> 
> 
> Has no one mentioned the remake of "The Prisoner" also? Why, oh why? 
> 
> http://www.amctv.com/originals/the-prisoner/ 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson  wrote: 
> > 
> > yeah, I should have pointed that out, but that goes back to my question of 
> > "Why"? What does it mean to take a smart creative team and have them 
> > "Americanize" a great series? And, though they are behind it, note that 
> > this is a partnership with SyFy. So as you say, i wonder how much control 
> > SyFy will have? 
> > 
> > 
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Tracey de Morsella"  
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 11:25:51 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Syfy Buys Remake of Being Human 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I just read the whole thing. Syfy is going to use the original producers. 
> > The question is, how tight a leash are they going to have around their 
> > necks 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On 
> > Behalf Of Keith Johnson 
> > Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 7:39 PM 
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> > Subject: [scifinoir2] Syfy Buys Remake of Being Human 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I could ask, what do they gain by moving the remake to America? I could 
> > ask, "why not just show the original on SyFy?" I could ask, what does it 
> > mean to "Americanize" a theme that is supposedly universal, other than a 
> > change of accents, food, and city names? I could ask--but I won't! 
> > 
> > ** 
> > http://www.sfuniverse.com/2009/10/29/syfy-buys-remake-of-being-human/ Syfy 
> > Buys Remake of Being Human 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > October 29, 2009 by Cynthia 
> > 
> > 
> > Leave a Comment 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > This past summer , we here in the US were treated to a run of the BBC 
> > series Being Human which follows the â€Å"lives†of a vampire, a 
> > werewolf and a ghost who are roommates. 
> > 
> > Though it sounds like the plot of a bad sitcom, Being Huma n is actually a 
> > startlingly real and emotional TV series that shows the very best and the 
> > very worst of our species. 
> > 
> > Now, the company that produced the series is preparing a 13 episode 
> > American reboot to premiere on Syfy in Summer 2010. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > â€Å"Being Human is a smart, contemporary, young and imaginative series 
> > that reflects Syfy’s new brand positioning. We are very excited to 
> > adapt this for an American audience and bring it into Syfy’s family 
> > of programming,†said Syfy president Dave Howe. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Mark Stern, Executive Vice President, Original Content for Syfy and 
> > Co-Head, Original Content for Universal Cable Productions added, 
> > â€Å"We’ve loved this project and been tracking it for a while. 
> > BeingHuman definitely distinguishes itself as something new and different 
> > in a landscape filled with familiar supernatural fare. In adaptin

[scifinoir2] Re: Teen Titans: Blackest Night

[Kelwyn]

Yeah, yeah, but to answer my question - white hair, skin tight black suit - 
Stormesque, no?

~rave?

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Justin Mohareb  wrote:
>
> God, I never noticed that!  Characters with skim tight costumes in a  
> superhero comic!
> 
> Justin
> 
> On 2009-11-03, at 11:20 AM, "Kelwyn"  wrote:
> 
> > Do I mean "Dove"? Seriously, doesn't this character with her white  
> > hair and skin-tight black suit, look like "Storm"?
> >
> > ~rave?
> >
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Justin Mohareb  
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > You mean.. Dove?
> > >
> > > Seriously, I have no idea what your question is.
> > >
> > > Justin
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 5:08 AM, Kelwyn  wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I don't read "Teen Titans" (or any other comic, currently) so  
> > tell me true
> > > > - is the woman on the cover of this issue (link below) some kind  
> > of broke
> > > > ass Storm?
> > > >
> > > > ~rave?
> > > >
> > > > http://blackgeekdom.com/blog/2009/10/29/new-comics-10-28-09/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Read the Bitter Guide to the Bitter Guy.
> > > http://thebitterguy.livejournal.com
> > >
> >
> >
>

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Teen Titans: Blackest Night

[Justin Mohareb]

God, I never noticed that!  Characters with skim tight costumes in a  
superhero comic!


Justin

On 2009-11-03, at 11:20 AM, "Kelwyn"  wrote:

Do I mean "Dove"? Seriously, doesn't this character with her white  
hair and skin-tight black suit, look like "Storm"?


~rave?

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Justin Mohareb  
 wrote:

>
> You mean.. Dove?
>
> Seriously, I have no idea what your question is.
>
> Justin
>
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 5:08 AM, Kelwyn  wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I don't read "Teen Titans" (or any other comic, currently) so  
tell me true
> > - is the woman on the cover of this issue (link below) some kind  
of broke

> > ass Storm?
> >
> > ~rave?
> >
> > http://blackgeekdom.com/blog/2009/10/29/new-comics-10-28-09/
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Read the Bitter Guide to the Bitter Guy.
> http://thebitterguy.livejournal.com
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Teen Titans: Blackest Night

[Kelwyn]

VINCENT: ...You know what they call a Quarter Pounder with Cheese in Paris? 

JULES: What'd they call it? 

VINCENT: Royale with Cheese. 

JULES: What do they call a Whopper? 

VINCENT: I dunno, I didn't go into a Burger King.

~Pulp Fiction

Q. Did you know Dove's been around in one form or another since the 60s and the 
female version has been around since the late 80s?

A. I dunno.  I didn't read DC comics in the 60s.

~rave! 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "B Smith"  wrote:
>
> Dove's been around in one form or another since the 60s and the female 
> version has been around since the late 80s. He powers and character are 
> nothing like Storm.
> 
> Is it the white hair?  
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Justin Mohareb  wrote:
> >
> > You mean.. Dove?
> > 
> > Seriously, I have no idea what your question is.
> > 
> > Justin
> > 
> > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 5:08 AM, Kelwyn  wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > >
> > > I don't read "Teen Titans" (or any other comic, currently) so tell me true
> > > - is the woman on the cover of this issue (link below) some kind of broke
> > > ass Storm?
> > >
> > > ~rave?
> > >
> > > http://blackgeekdom.com/blog/2009/10/29/new-comics-10-28-09/
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Read the Bitter Guide to the Bitter Guy.
> > http://thebitterguy.livejournal.com
> >
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Teen Titans: Blackest Night

[Kelwyn]

Do I mean "Dove"?  Seriously, doesn't this character with her white hair and 
skin-tight black suit, look like "Storm"?

~rave?

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Justin Mohareb  wrote:
>
> You mean.. Dove?
> 
> Seriously, I have no idea what your question is.
> 
> Justin
> 
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 5:08 AM, Kelwyn  wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > I don't read "Teen Titans" (or any other comic, currently) so tell me true
> > - is the woman on the cover of this issue (link below) some kind of broke
> > ass Storm?
> >
> > ~rave?
> >
> > http://blackgeekdom.com/blog/2009/10/29/new-comics-10-28-09/
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Read the Bitter Guide to the Bitter Guy.
> http://thebitterguy.livejournal.com
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo?

[Kelwyn]

But, Fate, the serendipity is in Mr. Smith turning down the opportunity to play 
Mr. Anderson.

~rave!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Augustus Augustus  wrote:
>
> but Rave, i thought the Will turned down Matrix because he was about 2 do 
> Wild Wild West?  at least that is what he said when they interviewed him a 
> few years ago.  he said that when the brothers tried 2 pitch him the role, 
> he was kind of up in the air about it, so he chose 2 do WWW because of the 
> director - whom had directed him in MIB - sodeberg (sp)
> 
> Fate.
> p.s. on another tip, i would have loved 2 see col. war (my diff'rent world 
> reference) as han solo.
> 
> --- On Tue, 11/3/09, Kelwyn  wrote:
> 
> From: Kelwyn 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo?
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 6:59 AM
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   Serendipity is everything (like the makers of "The Matrix" 
> choosing Keanu Reeves over Will Smith) but can you imagine finding out 
> (thirty years after the fact) that you ALMOST had the signature role in the 
> most lucrative movie franchise of all time?
> 
> 
> 
> ~(no)rave!
> 
> 
> 
> --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
> 
> >
> 
> > The movie would have been completely different. I think I would have loved
> 
> > it even more! :) I was really missing people of color in the film, and
> 
> > having one as a main character would have really made me smile as a kid.
> 
> > Maybe in one of those alternate universes there are all of the movies with
> 
> > alternate castings.
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > There's a bunch of jokes that I could make about the Black Han Solo showing
> 
> > Princess Leia his...ahem "chocolate light saber.." but I won't make that
> 
> > joke... Nope... No way...
> 
> > 
> 
> > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 2:03 AM, Kelwyn  wrote:
> 
> > 
> 
> > > This reminds me of an old thread I started on this list many eons ago 
> > > about
> 
> > > how weren't any cool white actors under 50 because in the past cool white
> 
> > > actors were just stand ins for cool black guys.  Disappointingly, 
> > > Hollywood
> 
> > > seems to be regressing back to the bad old days.
> 
> > >
> 
> > > ~(no)rave!
> 
> > >
> 
> > > http://xaiquaox. notlong.com
> 
> > >
> 
> > > Here's  Turman in a 2007 interview.
> 
> > >
> 
> > > Q. Is it true that you were originally cast as Han Solo in Star Wars?
> 
> > >
> 
> > > A. That was in George Lucas' book. Apparently George Lucas had me in mind
> 
> > > for the role, and then thought that there might be too much controversy
> 
> > > between a white Princess Leia and a black Han Solo â€" because those 
> > > were the
> 
> > > times â€" and he didn't want to get into that. At the time, I had no 
> > > idea. I
> 
> > > just went to the audition, did it and got out of there. Years later, I 
> > > read
> 
> > > his book and said, "What?" I'm waiting to run into Harrison Ford and get 
> > > my
> 
> > > cut of his career.
> 
> > >
> 
> > >
> 
> > >
> 
> > >
> 
> > >
> 
> > >
> 
> > >  - - --
> 
> > >
> 
> > > Post your SciFiNoir Profile at
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> > >
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> > > fmvn=mapYahoo!
> 
> > > Groups Links
> 
> > >
> 
> > >
> 
> > >
> 
> > >
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > -- 
> 
> > Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years!
> 
> > Mahogany at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/mahogany_ pleasures_ 
> > of_darkness/
> 
> >
>

Re: [scifinoir2] Michigan Man stuffs mouth with 16 cockroaches in record bid

[Keith Johnson]

Uggh! the thougth appalls... 


- Original Message - 
From: "C.W. Badie"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, November 2, 2009 11:24:10 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Michigan Man stuffs mouth with 16 cockroaches in 
record bid 

  






...And we thank you for resisting the temptation...I would open this while 
munching a mouthfull of shimp... 




From: Keith Johnson  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sun, October 25, 2009 1:32:07 PM 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Michigan Man stuffs mouth with 16 cockroaches in record 
bid 

  



Okaaay...and no, I did *not* Google for pics of this event!  :( 

 * * * ** 
Man stuffs mouth with 16 cockroaches in record bid 


The Associated Press 


• 


LANSING, Mich. — A Michigan pet store employee got himself a mouthful of 
cockroaches — on purpose. The Lansing State Journal reported Sean Murphy on 
Friday stuffed 16 Madagascar hissing cockroaches into his mouth. He was trying 
to set a new Guinness World Records mark and said the old record was 11. 




Murphy initially got 12 squirming cockroaches into his mouth, but then kept 
adding them until he got to 16. He says it was a "big surprise" since he's 
never fit that many in his mouth before "in one try." 

The employee of Preuss Pets in Lansing says each cockroach was at least 2½ 
inches long. Murphy says he might try for 20 next year. A video of the feat was 
posted on the newspaper's Web site. 

Murphy's effort would need to be certified by Guinness for it to be official. 

[scifinoir2] Re: Fringe losing audience on Thursdays

[B Smith]

It's also going head to head with Supernatural and that's probably hurting both 
shows. I have all of this season's episodes on dvr but I haven't seen any of 
them.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>
> I think that as the show progresses it has lost a bit of the wonderment. It
> isn't as fantastical as the first season was. In the first season we saw a
> lot of really cool stuff that was never seen before like the people trapped
> in amber.
> 
> On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Kelwyn  wrote:
> 
> > In its second season, the sci-fi mystery is getting clobbered in a tough
> > Thursday night time slot.
> >
> > It's down 26% from the season premiere of 7.8 million.
> >
> > ~(no)rave!
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >
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> >
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> > Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> -- 
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> Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Teen Titans: Blackest Night

[B Smith]

Dove's been around in one form or another since the 60s and the female version 
has been around since the late 80s. He powers and character are nothing like 
Storm.

Is it the white hair?  

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Justin Mohareb  wrote:
>
> You mean.. Dove?
> 
> Seriously, I have no idea what your question is.
> 
> Justin
> 
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 5:08 AM, Kelwyn  wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > I don't read "Teen Titans" (or any other comic, currently) so tell me true
> > - is the woman on the cover of this issue (link below) some kind of broke
> > ass Storm?
> >
> > ~rave?
> >
> > http://blackgeekdom.com/blog/2009/10/29/new-comics-10-28-09/
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Read the Bitter Guide to the Bitter Guy.
> http://thebitterguy.livejournal.com
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo?

[B Smith]

Barry Sonnenfeld was the director of MIB and Wild, Wild West. 

Will supposedly didn't "get" The Matrix. Jada pushed him to take it but he felt 
more comfortable doing WWW with Sonnenfeld and the rest is history.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Augustus Augustus  wrote:
>
> but Rave, i thought the Will turned down Matrix because he was about 2 do 
> Wild Wild West?  at least that is what he said when they interviewed him a 
> few years ago.  he said that when the brothers tried 2 pitch him the role, 
> he was kind of up in the air about it, so he chose 2 do WWW because of the 
> director - whom had directed him in MIB - sodeberg (sp)
> 
> Fate.
> p.s. on another tip, i would have loved 2 see col. war (my diff'rent world 
> reference) as han solo.
> 
> --- On Tue, 11/3/09, Kelwyn  wrote:
> 
> From: Kelwyn 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo?
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 6:59 AM
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   Serendipity is everything (like the makers of "The Matrix" 
> choosing Keanu Reeves over Will Smith) but can you imagine finding out 
> (thirty years after the fact) that you ALMOST had the signature role in the 
> most lucrative movie franchise of all time?
> 
> 
> 
> ~(no)rave!
> 
> 
> 
> --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
> 
> >
> 
> > The movie would have been completely different. I think I would have loved
> 
> > it even more! :) I was really missing people of color in the film, and
> 
> > having one as a main character would have really made me smile as a kid.
> 
> > Maybe in one of those alternate universes there are all of the movies with
> 
> > alternate castings.
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > There's a bunch of jokes that I could make about the Black Han Solo showing
> 
> > Princess Leia his...ahem "chocolate light saber.." but I won't make that
> 
> > joke... Nope... No way...
> 
> > 
> 
> > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 2:03 AM, Kelwyn  wrote:
> 
> > 
> 
> > > This reminds me of an old thread I started on this list many eons ago 
> > > about
> 
> > > how weren't any cool white actors under 50 because in the past cool white
> 
> > > actors were just stand ins for cool black guys.  Disappointingly, 
> > > Hollywood
> 
> > > seems to be regressing back to the bad old days.
> 
> > >
> 
> > > ~(no)rave!
> 
> > >
> 
> > > http://xaiquaox. notlong.com
> 
> > >
> 
> > > Here's  Turman in a 2007 interview.
> 
> > >
> 
> > > Q. Is it true that you were originally cast as Han Solo in Star Wars?
> 
> > >
> 
> > > A. That was in George Lucas' book. Apparently George Lucas had me in mind
> 
> > > for the role, and then thought that there might be too much controversy
> 
> > > between a white Princess Leia and a black Han Solo â€" because those 
> > > were the
> 
> > > times â€" and he didn't want to get into that. At the time, I had no 
> > > idea. I
> 
> > > just went to the audition, did it and got out of there. Years later, I 
> > > read
> 
> > > his book and said, "What?" I'm waiting to run into Harrison Ford and get 
> > > my
> 
> > > cut of his career.
> 
> > >
> 
> > >
> 
> > >
> 
> > >
> 
> > >
> 
> > >
> 
> > >  - - --
> 
> > >
> 
> > > Post your SciFiNoir Profile at
> 
> > >
> 
> > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /app/peoplemap2/ entry/add? 
> > > fmvn=mapYahoo!
> 
> > > Groups Links
> 
> > >
> 
> > >
> 
> > >
> 
> > >
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > -- 
> 
> > Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years!
> 
> > Mahogany at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/mahogany_ pleasures_ 
> > of_darkness/
> 
> >
>

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo?

[Augustus Augustus]

but Rave, i thought the Will turned down Matrix because he was about 2 do Wild 
Wild West?  at least that is what he said when they interviewed him a few years 
ago.  he said that when the brothers tried 2 pitch him the role, he was kind of 
up in the air about it, so he chose 2 do WWW because of the director - whom had 
directed him in MIB - sodeberg (sp)

Fate.
p.s. on another tip, i would have loved 2 see col. war (my diff'rent world 
reference) as han solo.

--- On Tue, 11/3/09, Kelwyn  wrote:

From: Kelwyn 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo?
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 6:59 AM






 





  Serendipity is everything (like the makers of "The Matrix" 
choosing Keanu Reeves over Will Smith) but can you imagine finding out (thirty 
years after the fact) that you ALMOST had the signature role in the most 
lucrative movie franchise of all time?



~(no)rave!



--- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:

>

> The movie would have been completely different. I think I would have loved

> it even more! :) I was really missing people of color in the film, and

> having one as a main character would have really made me smile as a kid.

> Maybe in one of those alternate universes there are all of the movies with

> alternate castings.

> 

> 

> There's a bunch of jokes that I could make about the Black Han Solo showing

> Princess Leia his...ahem "chocolate light saber.." but I won't make that

> joke... Nope... No way...

> 

> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 2:03 AM, Kelwyn  wrote:

> 

> > This reminds me of an old thread I started on this list many eons ago about

> > how weren't any cool white actors under 50 because in the past cool white

> > actors were just stand ins for cool black guys.  Disappointingly, Hollywood

> > seems to be regressing back to the bad old days.

> >

> > ~(no)rave!

> >

> > http://xaiquaox. notlong.com

> >

> > Here's  Turman in a 2007 interview.

> >

> > Q. Is it true that you were originally cast as Han Solo in Star Wars?

> >

> > A. That was in George Lucas' book. Apparently George Lucas had me in mind

> > for the role, and then thought that there might be too much controversy

> > between a white Princess Leia and a black Han Solo â€" because those were 
> > the

> > times â€" and he didn't want to get into that. At the time, I had no idea. I

> > just went to the audition, did it and got out of there. Years later, I read

> > his book and said, "What?" I'm waiting to run into Harrison Ford and get my

> > cut of his career.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >  - - --

> >

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> >

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> > fmvn=mapYahoo!

> > Groups Links

> >

> >

> >

> >

> 

> 

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Re: [scifinoir2] Teen Titans: Blackest Night

[Justin Mohareb]

You mean.. Dove?

Seriously, I have no idea what your question is.

Justin

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 5:08 AM, Kelwyn  wrote:

>
>
> I don't read "Teen Titans" (or any other comic, currently) so tell me true
> - is the woman on the cover of this issue (link below) some kind of broke
> ass Storm?
>
> ~rave?
>
> http://blackgeekdom.com/blog/2009/10/29/new-comics-10-28-09/
>
>  
>



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[scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo?

[Kelwyn]

Serendipity is everything (like the makers of "The Matrix" choosing Keanu 
Reeves over Will Smith) but can you imagine finding out (thirty years after the 
fact) that you ALMOST had the signature role in the most lucrative movie 
franchise of all time?

~(no)rave!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>
> The movie would have been completely different. I think I would have loved
> it even more! :) I was really missing people of color in the film, and
> having one as a main character would have really made me smile as a kid.
> Maybe in one of those alternate universes there are all of the movies with
> alternate castings.
> 
> 
> There's a bunch of jokes that I could make about the Black Han Solo showing
> Princess Leia his...ahem "chocolate light saber.." but I won't make that
> joke... Nope... No way...
> 
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 2:03 AM, Kelwyn  wrote:
> 
> > This reminds me of an old thread I started on this list many eons ago about
> > how weren't any cool white actors under 50 because in the past cool white
> > actors were just stand ins for cool black guys.  Disappointingly, Hollywood
> > seems to be regressing back to the bad old days.
> >
> > ~(no)rave!
> >
> > http://xaiquaox.notlong.com
> >
> > Here's  Turman in a 2007 interview.
> >
> > Q. Is it true that you were originally cast as Han Solo in Star Wars?
> >
> > A. That was in George Lucas' book. Apparently George Lucas had me in mind
> > for the role, and then thought that there might be too much controversy
> > between a white Princess Leia and a black Han Solo â€" because those were 
> > the
> > times â€" and he didn't want to get into that. At the time, I had no idea. I
> > just went to the audition, did it and got out of there. Years later, I read
> > his book and said, "What?" I'm waiting to run into Harrison Ford and get my
> > cut of his career.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> > Post your SciFiNoir Profile at
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo!
> > Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> -- 
> Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years!
> Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
>

Re: [scifinoir2] Glen Turman original Han Solo?

[Mr. Worf]

The movie would have been completely different. I think I would have loved
it even more! :) I was really missing people of color in the film, and
having one as a main character would have really made me smile as a kid.
Maybe in one of those alternate universes there are all of the movies with
alternate castings.


There's a bunch of jokes that I could make about the Black Han Solo showing
Princess Leia his...ahem "chocolate light saber.." but I won't make that
joke... Nope... No way...

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 2:03 AM, Kelwyn  wrote:

> This reminds me of an old thread I started on this list many eons ago about
> how weren't any cool white actors under 50 because in the past cool white
> actors were just stand ins for cool black guys.  Disappointingly, Hollywood
> seems to be regressing back to the bad old days.
>
> ~(no)rave!
>
> http://xaiquaox.notlong.com
>
> Here's  Turman in a 2007 interview.
>
> Q. Is it true that you were originally cast as Han Solo in Star Wars?
>
> A. That was in George Lucas' book. Apparently George Lucas had me in mind
> for the role, and then thought that there might be too much controversy
> between a white Princess Leia and a black Han Solo – because those were the
> times – and he didn't want to get into that. At the time, I had no idea. I
> just went to the audition, did it and got out of there. Years later, I read
> his book and said, "What?" I'm waiting to run into Harrison Ford and get my
> cut of his career.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> Post your SciFiNoir Profile at
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo!
> Groups Links
>
>
>
>


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Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/

[scifinoir2] This is It grosses $103 million worldwide in first week

[Kelwyn]

http://boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=2622&p=.htm

While morbid curiosity was part of the appeal, spurred on a bit by the 
Halloween release, This Is It was promoted as a celebration of Michael 
Jackson's music and a look at his final creation. Ads also played a trick by 
declaring a two-week-only engagement, in order to encourage people to rush to 
see the movie, and, once they had, distributor Sony Pictures predictably 
extended the run. Sony's exit polling indicated that 51 percent of the audience 
was female, and 62 percent was over 25 years old.

http://blackplush.blogspot.com/2009/10/man-in-full.html

[scifinoir2] Teen Titans: Blackest Night

[Kelwyn]

I don't read "Teen Titans" (or any other comic, currently) so tell me true - is 
the woman on the cover of this issue (link below) some kind of broke ass Storm?

~rave?

http://blackgeekdom.com/blog/2009/10/29/new-comics-10-28-09/

[scifinoir2] Glen Turman original Han Solo?

[Kelwyn]

This reminds me of an old thread I started on this list many eons ago about how 
weren't any cool white actors under 50 because in the past cool white actors 
were just stand ins for cool black guys.  Disappointingly, Hollywood seems to 
be regressing back to the bad old days. 

~(no)rave!

http://xaiquaox.notlong.com

Here's  Turman in a 2007 interview.

Q. Is it true that you were originally cast as Han Solo in Star Wars? 

A. That was in George Lucas' book. Apparently George Lucas had me in mind for 
the role, and then thought that there might be too much controversy between a 
white Princess Leia and a black Han Solo – because those were the times – and 
he didn't want to get into that. At the time, I had no idea. I just went to the 
audition, did it and got out of there. Years later, I read his book and said, 
"What?" I'm waiting to run into Harrison Ford and get my cut of his career.

[scifinoir2] Growing number watching TV on-line only

[Kelwyn]

http://eguang.notlong.com

Jazz musician Bill Cunliffe loves television -- but he doesn't watch it on a TV 
set.

"I can watch anything I want, any time I want," he said, "on my 
bottom-of-the-line Mac PowerBook." 

Cunliffe, 53, is one of a growing number of TV viewers who get all their 
programs via the Internet.

For reasons that include saving money, convenience, personal choice and a 
hatred of commercials, these viewers are cutting the cord from cable, satellite 
and telephone suppliers of TV service, and even throwing away the rabbit ears 
and other antennas that brought in over-the-air broadcasts.

"The idea that you come home and your entertainment choices are dictated on 
what some entertainment channel decides is not for me," said video game 
producer Chris Codding, whose Venice apartment has a 52-inch Sony television 
that's used only for video games and viewing DVDs.

"I really like the concept of having something in your mind that you want to 
watch," Codding said, "and then going to the computer and watching it."

There have been no mainstream studies on just how many people have cut the cord 
to established TV program suppliers, and the percentage of viewers who have 
done it is probably small. But there's plenty of evidence that the number of 
people who are watching TV shows online is growing.

According to a survey released last month by the nonprofit Conference Board, 
nearly 1 in 4 households in the U.S. have watched television online. Meanwhile, 
about 20% of responders said they were watching less TV delivered through 
traditional broadcast or paid cable-type providers.

A study by Frank N. Magid Associates in April found that among people who have 
watched video online, 25% viewed a full-length TV show in that manner. That's 
up from 15% in 2007.

As for cutting out traditional means of watching TV altogether, a recent survey 
by the Consumer Electronics Assn. found that 15% of viewers would consider it. 

This could put TV on course for a fundamental change similar to that of another 
industry altered by the Internet -- recorded music.

"The one reason the iPod was so successful was that it was much more than a 
playback device," said Steve Koenig, director of industry analysis at the 
Consumer Electronics Assn., a trade group."When Apple added iTunes as a music 
procurement and discovery service, then it really took off.

"Finally, this kind of sensibility is coming to the king category of consumer 
electronics -- television."

Viewers who watch on their computers (or a computer hooked to TVs) have vastly 
more choices. According to the Fancast website, which provides links to online 
video, there are more than 1,000 former and current TV series with full 
episodes on the Web.

Common among many who have cut the cord is a sense of rebellion, not against TV 
but against service providers. They believe their way of watching represents 
the future of TV -- online and on demand.

"The No. 1 factor of why people watch online is convenience," said Lynn Franco, 
director of the Conference Board consumer research center. 

The cable industry knows it could be in for a fight.

"Clearly this is a growing trend," said Alex Dudley, spokesman for Time Warner 
Cable, which has 14.6 million subscribers nationwide.

The company, like several other providers, is countering with its own on-demand 
services. It offers subscribers repeats of TV shows that can be accessed by 
pressing a few buttons on the remote.

Time Warner is also participating in a test of the TV Anywhere service that 
would enable subscribers to watch their channels on computers or mobile devices 
via the Internet.

But online TV has something going for it that cable can't match. For the most 
part, it's free, at least for now.

"We were paying about $100 for month for cable," said Jaxon Lee, a mobile phone 
sales manager who lives in Atlanta. "For that we got like a billion channels. 
But when we were making a move, I asked my wife, 'How many of these shows are 
we actually watching?' "

Lee, 36, who is technically savvy, cut the cord by hooking up a media-center 
computer to the LCD television. They now watch most of the shows they like via 
Hulu, the free Web service that opened to the public last year. Its owners 
include heavy hitters in the industry -- NBC Universal, News Corp. (which owns 
the Fox television channels) and Walt Disney Co. (ABC) -- giving it access to 
some of the most popular current shows. 

The advertising-supported site also carries a backlog of shows that include 
nearly forgotten vintage favorites. 

"I've been watching 'Time Tunnel,' " said Cunliffe, who teaches music at Cal 
State Fullerton. He doesn't watch the science fiction series, which debuted in 
1966, for its corny adventures or campy set design. He tunes in, primarily, 
because it uses music by John Williams (listed in the show's credits as Johnny 
Williams), who went on to score "Star Wars" and numerous other hit movies.

The popularity of