date:20091104

They are just "special" there. I think they were waiting to see what the
atmosphere was before they said anything official.

On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 7:01 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:

>
>
> I'm not clear as to why he was given *time* to resign, instead of being
> forcibly removed from office?
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mr. Worf" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2009 5:01:02 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Louisiana justice who refused interracial marriage
> resigns
>
>
>
> Finally some good news...
>
> http://edition.cnn.com/2009/US/11/03/louisiana.interracial.marriage/
>
>
> --
> Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years!
> Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
>
>
> 
>



-- 
Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years!
Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/

Re: [scifinoir2] Louisiana justice who refused interracial marriage resigns

I'm not clear as to why he was given *time* to resign, instead of being 
forcibly removed from office? 

- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2009 5:01:02 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Louisiana justice who refused interracial marriage 
resigns 






Finally some good news... 

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/US/11/03/louisiana.interracial.marriage/ 


-- 
Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years! 
Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo?


That's a good example of what I mean. 

Another is the great Amber series by the late Roger Zelazny. In the Amber 
books, there exists two poles that anchor all of reality: Amber, which can be 
thought of as the seat of Order, and the Courts of Chaos, which are self 
explanatory. These two poles are the only "true" realities. Between those poles 
exist an infinitude of alternate worlds and realities, which the natives of 
Amber call "Shadow". 

Members of the royal family of Amber can literally walk in Shadow. A member 
will start walking, and mentally change one small thing in the environment, 
say, change a stand of oak trees into a stand of beech trees. they might see a 
crow singing nearby, and change that to a robin instead. Then they might start 
changing the geography, wishing for mountains instead of a plain, for a large 
city on a nearby hill instead of a small village. They may soon replace a cart 
drawn by a horse with a train on a track. The changes can be very small and 
slight, such as turning a cloudy day into a rainy one, but each minor change is 
actually a move to another Shadow--in effect, a journey to a new alternate 
reality. 

Many of the Shadows between Chaos and Amber contain alternate reality versions 
of people in Amber and other realities. Those Shadow versions have no knowledge 
of Amber or Chaos, and may live wildly different lives, from being a prince in 
one Shadow to a computer engineer in another. How many Shadow worlds are there? 
Well, how many different ways can one change the the trees, the sky, the color 
of grass, the number of bison in a herd, the size of a city, the color of a 
people? An infinite number of times, and throughout those infinite Shadows 
exist Shadow versions of each of us. 

At some point as one approaches Chaos, the rules and laws of physics as we know 
them are replaced by a world of magic and malleable physics. The differences 
become so great that versions of you and I might simply never have existed. But 
where is that? How many Shadow worlds does one have to walk through before that 
happens? 
Again, an infinite number, since one can't slice Infinity. Half of Infinity is 
still Infinity. 

That's what I think of when considering the possibility of an infinity of 
similar alternate realities where versions of us exists, but at some point, 
approaching ones where we don't. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2009 4:15:53 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo? 






This reminded me of the show Sliders. There were a lot of different realities 
but his house was often still there and his key still worked on the front door. 
He rarely ran into his alternate self. (They will probably do a remake of this 
show. Mark my words!) 




On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 7:58 AM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 








But the point of alternate realities is that there are an infinite number of 
them "next" to ours where those events happened virtually identically. If the 
idea of those realities already existing since Creation, then going down the 
same road as ours for eons bothers you, try the alternate concept. That is, 
that alternate realities are literally created every time one of those events 
you mentioned could go another way. So perhaps we started with a Prime Reality, 
then as soon as probability came into play, alternate realities started 
splitting off for each event that had more than one possible outcome. 

So, there are realities where the whole universe is a liquid made of 
anti-matter, and you and I never existed. But there are realities where you and 
I did exist but slightly different. Perhaps I'm the president in reality 30002, 
perhaps you're a famous writer in reality 5544. The existence of those 
realities that are similar to ours isn't precluded by your valid point that 
there must be realities completely different from ours, where you and I don't 
exist. 



- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf" < hellomahog...@gmail.com > 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 



Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2009 1:58:32 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo? 









I agree. That is kind of what I was thinking about when I replied. The 
existence of life on this planet, and how humans evolved, etc. all contributed 
to you being here right now. Not to mention the random events that may have 
happened in your life to make you who you are. 


On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:51 PM, Omari Confer < clockwork...@gmail.com > wrote: 


You all assume that there would be an alternate you. The percentages of genetic 
material traded during conception is a random concept. This supposed theme 
assumes we as persnalities would be intact. We assume too much I think... 

c w m 
- 



Keith Johnson< keithbjohn...@comcast.net > wrote

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: V- New Series - Ranting Review... No Real Spoilers...Sort of.

Didn't they have a quake on the east coast a couple of years ago? I saw a
show recently that said that a even a minor quake on the east coast would
have a lot more energy than the west coast. (the rock is solid on the east
coast so the energy would travel a lot farther.)

The quake on the show was about 30 or 40 seconds long and strong, and only
one character took cover. The reality is that most of the stuff would have
fallen over at that point and not just the bookcase.

On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Martin Baxter wrote:

>
>
> Mr Worf, ONLY those moe-rons who've never been through an earthquake. My
> last time in Cali, back in '97, there was a minor tremor at about two-thirty
> in the morning. Having lived through four previous quakes, I was standing in
> the doorway of my bedroom three seconds after it began. A friend who was
> sharing the room with me, having never been in one, just sat there and
> asked, "What?"
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:38:50 -0800
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: V- New Series - Ranting Review... No Real
> Spoilers...Sort of.
>
>
>  I am watching this "show" right now and I have to admit that I am already
> pissed off at this show... First off, after living in California my entire
> life I hate it when people just stand around and never take cover during an
> EARTHQUAKE Do people actually just stand there asking "What is
> that??"
>
> The rest of my complaints I will hold for the rest of the folks to watch
> the show.
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 3:25 PM, sincere1906  wrote:
>
> The Hudlin brothers' version of Derrick Bell's "Space Traders" in Cosmic
> Slop, the one-time pilot that (sadly) never made it to series. Classic
> stuff.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8yFiam9260
>
> A Michael Bay movie...lol... we did have one rather unneeded explosion...
>
> Sin / BG
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
> >
> > There was an HBO movie a few years back that used the premise that aliens
> > came to this planet and asked them for every person that was darker than
> the
> > color of a paper bag. In return they got medicines and technology.  There
> > was a vote on it and the aliens got the black folks.
> >
> > I concur with everyone. At the minimum they could have said that it was 4
> > months later or something like that. Maybe a short montage showing that
> the
> > V were learning the culture and language. At the minimum the V are using
> > guerrilla marketing and whatnot which is ridiculous to have out of the
> blue.
> >
> >
> > You know, this reminds me of a Michael Bay movie
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Keith Johnson wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yeah, all major reveals in less than sixty. I'm especially upset about
> the
> > > Underground already being revealed and being so active. Morris
> Chestnut's
> > > secrets coming out in the same show was disappointing too.  And there
> was no
> > > build up at all to let us feel the slow anxiety of young people putting
> on V
> > > brownshirt uniforms. Hell, even the Nazi's took longer than that to see
> > > their plans reach fruition! And like I said, the FBI agent's son just
> came
> > > across as a smarthmouthed punk kid with the hots for a blonde Visitor.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I guess ABC is trying to hook us, and then will spend the ensuing weeks
> > > fleshing out the barebones story we got last night?  :(
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > No joke, i really would like to see stories like this told from the
> point
> > > of view of black people, other people of color, and the very poor. For
> > > example, there have been conversations here about what if the Visitors
> were
> > > of Negroid appearance? Well, I'd like to see what the average black
> person
> > > would feel about another majority-white race coming in power and force.
> i
> > > think many of us would, given our history, be extremely suspicious. I
> for
> > > one would be extremely concerned that the Visitors don't get the idea
> from
> > > America and Europe that white people belong in power (the way the
> Japanese,
> > > when visiting America in the 19th Century, gained new respect for white
> > > America when they saw how it kept blacks as second class citizens). I'd
> be
> > > concerned that some humans would try to join with the Visitors to start
> up
> > > some kind of slavery thing again. I'd be concerned that the voice of
> this
> > > incredibly advanced race doesn't look like me, and what that means for
> their
> > > feelings about our race and how different ethnicities rate? I'd think
> > > Natives likewise would say, on seeing the ships sail in from the
> stellar
> > > ocean, "Uh-oh, here we go again. Think we can send 'em back this
> time?".

Re: [scifinoir2] o/t Fury over California's Proposed TV Rules

I think that the brownout events with the tv was during the low power years.
Some areas were running at the minimum amount of power. Then again their
houses could have been wired incorrectly. A lot of the older houses here
cannot handle the demands that newer appliances require.

On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Martin Baxter wrote:

>
>
> Silly me for forgetting that, Mr Worf. I used to live there (LA), and I
> have friends who live at and about Pendleton. Many are the number of brown-
> and blackouts I've been through. And I've never seen that phenomenon of
> lights dimming when a big-screen was turned on. I only have two friend shere
> in Atlanta who own them, and they turn them on first upon entering, to show
> off.
>
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 16:01:38 -0800
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] o/t Fury over California's Proposed TV Rules
>
>
>  I think it is some of the larger ones that are the problem. There are
> some that are 40 inch plus that you can cook popcorn on. There were stories
> that the lights would dim when they turned the light on. Multiply that by
> 250,000 people and it starts to become a problem.
>
> California has a lot of issues involving power because LA and the Silicon
> Valley uses a huge amount of the power supply here. Especially during the
> summer months. (see the movie about Enron called "the smartest guys in the
> room")Over the years our government neglected to build new power plants and
> work on the water supply system. Instead of using the money wisely during
> the surplus years the governator and his predecessors gave tax refunds.
> That may have bought him points in the polls but screwed us up in the long
> run.
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 3:24 PM, Martin Baxter 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> I don't get why manufacturers in Cali can't meet the Energy Star specs.
> Every TV I've seen in stores here in Georgia (and I just ran through three
> of them less than an hour ago, trying to find printer ink) were Energy Star.
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 21:46:00 -0800
> Subject: [scifinoir2] o/t Fury over California's Proposed TV Rules
>
>
>
> http://www.businessweek.com/the_thread/techbeat/archives/2009/11/fury_over_calif.html
>
> Its about a law that boycotts flatscreen tvs that use a lot of electricity.
>
>
> --
> Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up 
> now.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years!
> Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
>
>
> --
> Windows 7: Unclutter your desktop. Learn 
> more.
>
> 
>



-- 
Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years!
Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/

Re: [scifinoir2] Feds Charge Cable Modem Modder With ‘Aiding Computer Intrusion’

They have been advertising it here as a competitor to getting a T1 line.
"Its cheaper than a T1 line..." What they don't talk about is the upload
speed which is still only 256k upload.

On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Martin Baxter wrote:

>
>
> Mr Worf, I get the feeling that that will have to be sold on the
> Waaay Down Low, because any corporation that puts their hands on
> this will put the cost out of reach for all but the super-rich.
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 18:10:03 -0800
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Feds Charge Cable Modem Modder With ‘Aiding
> Computer Intrusion’
>
>
>  Yea, Webtv used that technology 10 years ago to add speed to their
> systems. It was a good idea and still is. The problem is that the game is
> different now. Some areas are worse than others but I am sure that you have
> heard the problems that people have ran into with throttling down and
> limiting the amount of downloading that is going on across the country.
> (that's why I dropped having a cable modem. After I got home from work I
> couldn't log on!)
>
> Theoretically, a cable modem can download up to 100mbs. A business
> connection from comscum runs almost the same price as a regular person. They
> get 16mbs for $90 a month vs 8mbs for $50 for a regular joe. Most people
> probably are not getting that speed with old wire. Which is why they aren't
> offering higher speeds I suspect.
>
> What we really need is a system that allows us to download as fast as
> technologically possible. For the same price.
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 5:36 PM, Keith Johnson 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> What fascinates me is that one can modify a modem to gain higher speed.
> Makes you think about how long it takes upgrades to officially trickle down
> to users, eh?
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mr. Worf" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 2:58:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Feds Charge Cable Modem Modder With ‘Aiding Computer
> Intrusion’
>
>
>
>
> Feds Charge Cable Modem Modder With ‘Aiding Computer Intrusion’
>
>- By Kevin Poulsen 
> [image:
>Email Author] 
>- November 2, 2009  |
>- 9:47 pm  |
>- Categories: 
> Cybersecurity,
>The Courts 
>-
>
>  [image: 
> cablemodem_big]An
> Oregon hardware hacker and author has been hit with federal criminal charges
> arising from his longstanding business of selling unlocked cable modems that
> can be used to steal extra speed from a broadband provider, or obtain free
> service.
> Ryan Harris, known by his pen name DerEngel, was charged in Boston with a
> conspiracy count, and charges of aiding and abetting computer intrusion and
> wire fraud.
> “I read the indictment — it’s complete bullshit,” says 26-year-old Harris,
> author of the 2006 book Hacking the Cable 
> Modem.
> “They’re filling in their own blanks. From my website I would never sell to
> anyone who had the intent to break the law.”
> Harris is the project organizer of TCNiSO, a band of 
> tinkerersspecializing in cable modem 
> hacking. For five years the group has been
> producing tutorials on how to bypass the firmware locks on Motorola
> Surfboard modems — a process that sometimes involves soldering a special
> cable to a hidden terminal inside the device, or exploiting a buffer
> overflow in the modem’s web interface.
>
>  TCNiSO also openly sells pre-modded modems for $100 which are already
> loaded with the group’s custom firmware, which lets the user control the
> modem’s functionality.  Harris sold two unlocked Motorola Surfboard modems
> to an FBI agent through TCNiSO.net.
> The group’s work has been a boon to cable modem “uncappers,” who use the
> customized modems to crank up the speed of their internet access by
> downloading special configuration files from an ISP’s server. Users have
> also wielded the hacked modems to get free service by spoofing another
> customer’s MAC address — an attack that only works from a home that’s wired
> to the cable network but hasn’t had service officially activated.
> But Harris has long publicly distanced himself from the criminal
> applications of his work. “I never had instructions on my website to teach
> people how to do this,” he says. “I never condoned this type of behavior.”
> Indeed, most of the charges in the six-count indictment announced Monday
> focus on the activities of others. Four wire-fraud

RE: [scifinoir2] o/t Fury over California's Proposed TV Rules


Silly me for forgetting that, Mr Worf. I used to live there (LA), and I have 
friends who live at and about Pendleton. Many are the number of brown- and 
blackouts I've been through. And I've never seen that phenomenon of lights 
dimming when a big-screen was turned on. I only have two friend shere in 
Atlanta who own them, and they turn them on first upon entering, to show off.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 16:01:38 -0800
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] o/t Fury over California's Proposed TV Rules


















 



  



  
  
  I think it is some of the larger ones that are the problem. There are 
some that are 40 inch plus that you can cook popcorn on. There were stories 
that the lights would dim when they turned the light on. Multiply that by 
250,000 people and it starts to become a problem. 


California has a lot of issues involving power because LA and the Silicon 
Valley uses a huge amount of the power supply here. Especially during the 
summer months. (see the movie about Enron called "the smartest guys in the 
room")Over the years our government neglected to build new power plants and 
work on the water supply system. Instead of using the money wisely during the 
surplus years the governator and his predecessors gave tax refunds.  That may 
have bought him points in the polls but screwed us up in the long run. 



On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 3:24 PM, Martin Baxter  
wrote:


























I don't get why manufacturers in Cali can't meet the Energy Star specs. Every 
TV I've seen in stores here in Georgia (and I just ran through three of them 
less than an hour ago, trying to find printer ink) were Energy Star.


"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 21:46:00 -0800

Subject: [scifinoir2] o/t Fury over California's Proposed TV Rules















 





  
http://www.businessweek.com/the_thread/techbeat/archives/2009/11/fury_over_calif.html

Its about a law that boycotts flatscreen tvs that use a lot of electricity.




 

  













  
Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now.




















-- 
Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years! 
Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/






 









  
_
Windows 7: Unclutter your desktop.
http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9690331&ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen:112009

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: V- New Series - Ranting Review... No Real Spoilers...Sort of.


Mr Worf, ONLY those moe-rons who've never been through an earthquake. My last 
time in Cali, back in '97, there was a minor tremor at about two-thirty in the 
morning. Having lived through four previous quakes, I was standing in the 
doorway of my bedroom three seconds after it began. A friend who was sharing 
the room with me, having never been in one, just sat there and asked, "What?"

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:38:50 -0800
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: V- New Series - Ranting Review... No Real 
Spoilers...Sort of.


















 



  



  
  
  I am watching this "show" right now and I have to admit that I am already 
pissed off at this show... First off, after living in California my entire life 
I hate it when people just stand around and never take cover during an 
EARTHQUAKE Do people actually just stand there asking "What is that??"


The rest of my complaints I will hold for the rest of the folks to watch the 
show. 


On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 3:25 PM, sincere1906  wrote:

The Hudlin brothers' version of Derrick Bell's "Space Traders" in Cosmic Slop, 
the one-time pilot that (sadly) never made it to series. Classic stuff.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8yFiam9260



A Michael Bay movie...lol... we did have one rather unneeded explosion...



Sin / BG



--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:

>

> There was an HBO movie a few years back that used the premise that aliens

> came to this planet and asked them for every person that was darker than the

> color of a paper bag. In return they got medicines and technology.  There

> was a vote on it and the aliens got the black folks.

>

> I concur with everyone. At the minimum they could have said that it was 4

> months later or something like that. Maybe a short montage showing that the

> V were learning the culture and language. At the minimum the V are using

> guerrilla marketing and whatnot which is ridiculous to have out of the blue.

>

>

> You know, this reminds me of a Michael Bay movie

>

>

>

> On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Keith Johnson wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Yeah, all major reveals in less than sixty. I'm especially upset about the

> > Underground already being revealed and being so active. Morris Chestnut's

> > secrets coming out in the same show was disappointing too.  And there was no

> > build up at all to let us feel the slow anxiety of young people putting on V

> > brownshirt uniforms. Hell, even the Nazi's took longer than that to see

> > their plans reach fruition! And like I said, the FBI agent's son just came

> > across as a smarthmouthed punk kid with the hots for a blonde Visitor.

> >

> >

> >

> > I guess ABC is trying to hook us, and then will spend the ensuing weeks

> > fleshing out the barebones story we got last night?  :(

> >

> >

> >

> > No joke, i really would like to see stories like this told from the point

> > of view of black people, other people of color, and the very poor. For

> > example, there have been conversations here about what if the Visitors were

> > of Negroid appearance? Well, I'd like to see what the average black person

> > would feel about another majority-white race coming in power and force. i

> > think many of us would, given our history, be extremely suspicious. I for

> > one would be extremely concerned that the Visitors don't get the idea from

> > America and Europe that white people belong in power (the way the Japanese,

> > when visiting America in the 19th Century, gained new respect for white

> > America when they saw how it kept blacks as second class citizens). I'd be

> > concerned that some humans would try to join with the Visitors to start up

> > some kind of slavery thing again. I'd be concerned that the voice of this

> > incredibly advanced race doesn't look like me, and what that means for their

> > feelings about our race and how different ethnicities rate? I'd think

> > Natives likewise would say, on seeing the ships sail in from the stellar

> > ocean, "Uh-oh, here we go again. Think we can send 'em back this time?".  i

> > know older blacks from the country, like my late parents, would be

> > suspicious of anyone bearing gifts with suposedly no strings attached. My

> > dad never trusted a man who grinned too often and promised too much. My mom

> > would say "That Visitor leader is pretty, but I think she's a snake".

> >

> >

> >

> > What would people in the inner city say? Would they leave their senses and

> > become V devotees for the promise of food and health? or would they remember

> > Tuskegee and say "I'll let someone else go first"?I mean, i was mildy

> > surprised at how many black people--many on this list--are vehemently

> > distrustful

RE: [scifinoir2] Film Clip - 2012 - California's Going Down




"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:45:37 -0800
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Film Clip - 2012 - California's Going Down


















 



  



  
  
  I think Hollywood made the following decision and it is a cardinal rule: 
REALITY IS BORING. So we end up with massive explosions and the planet 
imploding. 


On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Martin Baxter  
wrote:


























I said, in another SF forum with regard to this, that it would be IMPOSSIBLE to 
fly in that kind of upheaval. The earth literally leaping up hither and yon 
would push wind shears upward, which would knock down ANYTHING in the air. 
Well, except for the airplanes that are hit by the cars thrown skyward. And I 
just thought of the thermal updrafts.


H'Wood, two words -- SCIENCE ADVISOR. (Pardon the shouting. This offends my 
sensibilities.)

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:39:36 -0800
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Film Clip - 2012 - California's Going Down


















 



  



  
  
  The same one that says you can outrun an explosion. 


On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 9:30 AM, sincere1906  wrote:


So this movie looks ridiculous...and i don't even want to know what warped 
science they'll be giving as to the reason for the apocalypse, but the disaster 
scenes sure give some hilarity.  Here's saying good-bye to California:





Film Clip:



http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1810045661/video/15978850











Post your SciFiNoir Profile at

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo!
 Groups Links



http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/



Individual Email | Traditional



http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/join

(Yahoo! ID required)



mailto:scifinoir2-dig...@yahoogroups.com

mailto:scifinoir2-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com



scifinoir2-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com



http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/





-- 
Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years! 
Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/







 









  
Bing brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. Try it now.




















-- 
Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years! 
Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/






 









  
_
Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection.
http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/

RE: [scifinoir2] the weirdest musical ever!


Haven't seen that as yet. I'll look it up at best opportunity.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:46:57 -0800
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] the weirdest musical ever!


















 



  



  
  
  You might enjoy Sweeny Todd. Who couldn't love a musical about a 
psychotic barber seeking vengeance?


On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Martin Baxter  
wrote:


























Normally, I'm cool at best toward musicals. ("West Side Story" and "South 
Pacific" is about the limit for me.) But I think I could sit through this one...

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 03:51:08 -0800
Subject: [scifinoir2] the weirdest musical ever!















 





  http://vancouver.evildeadthemusical.com/

I think its time that we had a sit down talk with Canada... 



 

  













  
Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now.




















-- 
Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years! 
Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/






 









  
_
Windows 7: Unclutter your desktop.
http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9690331&ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen:112009

Re: [scifinoir2] o/t Fury over California's Proposed TV Rules

I think it is some of the larger ones that are the problem. There are some
that are 40 inch plus that you can cook popcorn on. There were stories that
the lights would dim when they turned the light on. Multiply that by 250,000
people and it starts to become a problem.

California has a lot of issues involving power because LA and the Silicon
Valley uses a huge amount of the power supply here. Especially during the
summer months. (see the movie about Enron called "the smartest guys in the
room")Over the years our government neglected to build new power plants and
work on the water supply system. Instead of using the money wisely during
the surplus years the governator and his predecessors gave tax refunds.
That may have bought him points in the polls but screwed us up in the long
run.

On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 3:24 PM, Martin Baxter wrote:

>
>
> I don't get why manufacturers in Cali can't meet the Energy Star specs.
> Every TV I've seen in stores here in Georgia (and I just ran through three
> of them less than an hour ago, trying to find printer ink) were Energy Star.
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 21:46:00 -0800
> Subject: [scifinoir2] o/t Fury over California's Proposed TV Rules
>
>
>
> http://www.businessweek.com/the_thread/techbeat/archives/2009/11/fury_over_calif.html
>
> Its about a law that boycotts flatscreen tvs that use a lot of electricity.
>
>
> --
> Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up 
> now.
>
> 
>

-- 
Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years!
Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/

RE: [scifinoir2] Lust:Caution - cinema we can believe in


I recall, not long after President Obama was elected, he went to some country 
in Africa (memory fails me utterly -- pardons), where there was a young man, 
about thirteen, who was a dead ringer for him.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: ravena...@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 21:09:34 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] Lust:Caution - cinema we can believe in















 





  
http://blackplush.blogspot.com/2009/11/lustcaution-cinema-we-can-believe-in.html



Has anybody seen Ang Lee's "Lust:Caution"?  There is a scene near the end of 
the movie (which is 157 minutes long and as deadly as paint drying until folks 
start taking their clothes off about three quarters of the way through) where 
lead actor (Tony Leung Chiu Wai)looks toward the camera oozing love for his 
consort (Wei Tang) where I swear he looks like a doppleganger for President 
Barack Hussein Obama.  I kid you not - if Michelle and Barack ever sit down to 
watch it together, Brother President gonna get SLAPPED - they look like they 
was separated at birth.  Jug ears, slicked back waves in the hair, and those 
almond shaped eyes filled with compassion. 



Tony Leung Chiu Wai is a huge star in Asia and that got me thinking.  There is 
probably an Obama doppleganger in every county. Which makes Mr. Obama a 
universal archtype - one that is visually embraced around the world.



~rave!





 

  













  
_
Windows 7: Unclutter your desktop.
http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9690331&ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen:112009

RE: [scifinoir2] Fed s Charge Cable Modem Modder With ‘Aiding Computer Intrusion’


Keith, I can answer that -- anywhere from 12 to 25 years, depending on whether 
the technology comes from the corporate or military sector. Military takes 
longer because the Guv'mint wants to make certain that any patents are secured 
for their maximum benefit.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 01:36:24 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Feds Charge Cable Modem Modder With ‘Aiding Computer 
Intrusion’















 





  
What fascinates me is that one can modify a modem to gain higher speed. Makes 
you think about how long it takes upgrades to officially trickle down to users, 
eh?

- Original Message -
From: "Mr. Worf" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 2:58:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] Feds Charge Cable Modem Modder With ‘Aiding Computer 
Intrusion’







 





  
Feds Charge Cable Modem Modder With ‘Aiding Computer Intrusion’



By Kevin Poulsen 




November 2, 2009 | 

9:47 pm | 

   Categories: Cybersecurity,  The Courts   
 







An
Oregon hardware hacker and author has been hit with federal criminal
charges arising from his longstanding business of selling unlocked
cable modems that can be used to steal extra speed from a broadband
provider, or obtain free service.

Ryan Harris, known by his pen name DerEngel, was charged in Boston
with a conspiracy count, and charges of aiding and abetting computer
intrusion and wire fraud.

“I read the indictment — it’s complete bullshit,” says 26-year-old Harris, 
author of the 2006 book Hacking the Cable Modem. “They’re filling in their own 
blanks. From my website I would never sell to anyone who had the intent to 
break the law.”


Harris is the project organizer of TCNiSO, a band of tinkerers
specializing in cable modem hacking. For five years the group has been
producing tutorials on how to bypass the firmware locks on Motorola
Surfboard modems — a process that sometimes involves soldering a
special cable to a hidden terminal inside the device, or exploiting a
buffer overflow in the modem’s web interface.




TCNiSO also openly sells pre-modded modems for $100 which are
already loaded with the group’s custom firmware, which lets the user
control the modem’s functionality.  Harris sold two unlocked Motorola
Surfboard modems to an FBI agent through TCNiSO.net.

The group’s work has been a boon to cable modem “uncappers,” who use
the customized modems to crank up the speed of their internet access by
downloading special configuration files from an ISP’s server. Users
have also wielded the hacked modems to get free service by spoofing
another customer’s MAC address — an attack that only works from a home
that’s wired to the cable network but hasn’t had service officially
activated.

But Harris has long publicly distanced himself from the criminal
applications of his work. “I never had instructions on my website to
teach people how to do this,” he says. “I never condoned this type of
behavior.”

Indeed, most of the charges in the six-count indictment announced
Monday focus on the activities of others. Four wire-fraud charges are
based entirely on the fact that a juvenile computer hacker known as
“Dshock” downloaded TCNiSO’s firmware and used it to steal broadband.

Dshock pleaded guilty in Boston last year to computer intrusion and interstate 
threats in connection with DDoS and swatting attacks,
and has since been sentenced to 11 months in custody. But the feds
don’t allege that he knew or worked with Harris; just that he was one
of the thousands of people to use the TCNiSO site.

The indictment notes, however, that users openly sought and shared advice on 
uncapping and stealing cable
(.pdf) on TCNiSO.net’s public forums. And the FBI allegedly found a
single damning message on the forum posted personally by “DerEngel” in
2007.  “Does anyone have any verified MAC addresses and/or config files
for Phoenix (Az)? If sensitive, just pm me. Rewards will follow :)”

The government says that TCNiSO has generated revenues of more than $1 million 
since 2003.

Harris is free on his own recognizance and scheduled to appear in
court in Boston later this month. He vows to fight the case. “I’ll tell
you right now I’m not going to plead guilty.”

He’s mak

RE: [scifinoir2] CNBC Reporter Doesn't Think Naturalized Americans Are Really Americans


One of the sad things about the Internet.

Even fools like Rovell have a right to be heard.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: daikaij...@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 22:07:13 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] CNBC Reporter Doesn't Think Naturalized Americans Are 
Really Americans















 





  
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/03/referring-to-marathon-win_n_343772.html



Referring To Marathon Winner As "Technically American" Has Become A Disturbing 
Trend [UPDATE]



It really takes a special kind of irredeemable pigheadedness to read about 
American marathon runner Meb Keflezighi's victory in the New York City marathon 
and decide that the moment calls for a display of pissy, fact-free nationalism. 
But that's just what CNBC's Darren Rovell has done:



It's a stunning headline: American Wins Men's NYC Marathon For First Time Since 
'82. 

Unfortunately, it's not as good as it sounds.



Meb Keflezighi, who won yesterday in New York, is technically American by 
virtue of him becoming a citizen in 1998, but the fact that he's not 
American-born takes away from the magnitude of the achievement the headline 
implies.



I don't know. According to the newspaper, this is what happened in the New York 
City marathon:



Keflezighi pointed to those U.S.A. letters as he neared the finish line, riding 
the roar of the Central Park crowd to become the first American man to win the 
race since Alberto Salazar in 1982. He did it by vanquishing two Kenyans 
considered the favorites, a rare feat for an American in any distance race. 

And he played the lead in a huge United States resurgence: six Americans 
finished in the top 10, a number not seen since 1979.



"It was a great day for me and a great day for us American guys," Keflezighi 
said. "And I think we are only the start of it."



Keflezighi (pronounced ka-FLEZ-ghee) dropped to the ground, tears streaming 
down his face, when he won in his best time of 2 hours 9 minutes 15 seconds -- 
41 seconds ahead of Kenya's Robert Cheruiyot, a four-time winner of the Boston 
Marathon and one of the most accomplished marathoners in history.



Now, Rovell is just one of many ridiculous fools who have decided to step out 
on this "this victory didn't really count" vanguard, but my question to him is 
the same to everyone forming a part of that brainless mini-movement:



Story continues below  Do you have any facts at your disposal to refute the 
premise that an American won the New York City marathon in 2:09:15? No? Then, 
hey, here's a hot sack of shut up for you!



Let's go back to some of the actual marathon story, just for a little 
perspective on Meb Keflezighi.



"U.S.A. gave me all the opportunities, education, sports, lifestyle," 
Keflezighi said. "When you dream, you dream. You don't give up." 

His running career took off once his family settled here. He won four N.C.A.A. 
titles at U.C.L.A. and became an American citizen in 1998. He lives with his 
wife, Yordanos, and their two daughters in Mammoth Lakes, Calif., now, leading 
his fellow runners by example and inspiration.



Fun facts: Keflezighi won a silver medal -- for America -- in the 2004 
Olympics, too. It counted! Old Glory flew behind him on the medal stand and 
everything. Also, his American teammates seem to love the guy:



"If there was one other guy in the race that I wanted to win, it was Meb," 
[U.S.A. marathoner Ryan] Hall said. "I've learned so much from him. I feel like 
he's an older brother to me, so it was really neat for him to win. Just seeing 
him go through those hard times and a lot of people were starting to write him 
off."

What Rovell seems to be struggling with here is just a guy with a name that he 
finds inconvenient to pronounce, something that Stephen Colbert ably parodied 
last night:



Whether or not you're of the opinion that Meb Keflezighi has done more for his 
country than, say, Darren Rovell, ridiculous fool, is, I suppose, a matter of 
opinion.



UPDATE: Rovell has now apologized for his previous column:



I said that Keflezighi's win, the first by an American since 1982, wasn't as 
big as it was being made out to be because there was a difference between being 
an American-born product and being an American citizen. Frankly I didn't 
account for the fact that virtually all of Keflezighi's running experience came 
as a US citizen. I never said he didn't deserve to be called American. 



All I was saying was that we should celebrate an American marathon champion who 
has completely been brought up through the American system.



This is where, I must admit, my critics made their best point. It turns out, 
Keflezighi moved to the United States in time to develop at every level in 
America. So Meb is in fact an American trained athlete and an American citizen

RE: [scifinoir2] Fed s Charge Cable Modem Modder With ‘Aiding Computer Intrusion’


Mr Worf, I get the feeling that that will have to be sold on the 
Waaay Down Low, because any corporation that puts their hands on 
this will put the cost out of reach for all but the super-rich.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 18:10:03 -0800
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Feds Charge Cable Modem Modder With ‘Aiding Computer 
Intrusion’















 





  Yea, Webtv used that technology 10 years ago to add speed to 
their systems. It was a good idea and still is. The problem is that the game is 
different now. Some areas are worse than others but I am sure that you have 
heard the problems that people have ran into with throttling down and limiting 
the amount of downloading that is going on across the country. (that's why I 
dropped having a cable modem. After I got home from work I couldn't log on!) 


Theoretically, a cable modem can download up to 100mbs. A business connection 
from comscum runs almost the same price as a regular person. They get 16mbs for 
$90 a month vs 8mbs for $50 for a regular joe. Most people probably are not 
getting that speed with old wire. Which is why they aren't offering higher 
speeds I suspect. 


What we really need is a system that allows us to download as fast as 
technologically possible. For the same price. 


On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 5:36 PM, Keith Johnson  wrote:





















What fascinates me is that one can modify a modem to gain higher speed. Makes 
you think about how long it takes upgrades to officially trickle down to users, 
eh?


- Original Message -
From: "Mr. Worf" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 2:58:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] Feds Charge Cable Modem Modder With ‘Aiding Computer 
Intrusion’







 





  
Feds Charge Cable Modem Modder With ‘Aiding Computer Intrusion’



By Kevin Poulsen 




November 2, 2009 | 

9:47 pm | 

   Categories: Cybersecurity,  The Courts   
 








An
Oregon hardware hacker and author has been hit with federal criminal
charges arising from his longstanding business of selling unlocked
cable modems that can be used to steal extra speed from a broadband
provider, or obtain free service.

Ryan Harris, known by his pen name DerEngel, was charged in Boston
with a conspiracy count, and charges of aiding and abetting computer
intrusion and wire fraud.

“I read the indictment — it’s complete bullshit,” says 26-year-old Harris, 
author of the 2006 book Hacking the Cable Modem. “They’re filling in their own 
blanks. From my website I would never sell to anyone who had the intent to 
break the law.”



Harris is the project organizer of TCNiSO, a band of tinkerers
specializing in cable modem hacking. For five years the group has been
producing tutorials on how to bypass the firmware locks on Motorola
Surfboard modems — a process that sometimes involves soldering a
special cable to a hidden terminal inside the device, or exploiting a
buffer overflow in the modem’s web interface.




TCNiSO also openly sells pre-modded modems for $100 which are
already loaded with the group’s custom firmware, which lets the user
control the modem’s functionality.  Harris sold two unlocked Motorola
Surfboard modems to an FBI agent through TCNiSO.net.

The group’s work has been a boon to cable modem “uncappers,” who use
the customized modems to crank up the speed of their internet access by
downloading special configuration files from an ISP’s server. Users
have also wielded the hacked modems to get free service by spoofing
another customer’s MAC address — an attack that only works from a home
that’s wired to the cable network but hasn’t had service officially
activated.

But Harris has long publicly distanced himself from the criminal
applications of his work. “I never had instructions on my website to
teach people how to do this,” he says. “I never condoned this type of
behavior.”

Indeed, most of the charges in the six-count indictment announced
Monday focus on the activities of others. Four wire-fraud charges are
based entirely on the fact that a juvenile computer hacker known as
“Dshock” downloaded TCNiSO’s firmware and used it to steal broadband.

Dshock pleaded guilty in Boston last year to computer i

Re: [scifinoir2] the weirdest musical ever!

You might enjoy Sweeny Todd. Who couldn't love a musical about a psychotic
barber seeking vengeance?

On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Martin Baxter wrote:

>
>
> Normally, I'm cool at best toward musicals. ("West Side Story" and "South
> Pacific" is about the limit for me.) But I think I could sit through this
> one...
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 03:51:08 -0800
> Subject: [scifinoir2] the weirdest musical ever!
>
>
>
> http://vancouver.evildeadthemusical.com/
>
> I think its time that we had a sit down talk with Canada...
>
>
> --
> Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up 
> now.
>
> 
>



-- 
Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years!
Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/

RE: [scifinoir2] video game stores in Akihabara Japan


"I'll be in my bunk." -- Jayne, "Firefly"

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 00:45:46 -0800
Subject: [scifinoir2] video game stores in Akihabara Japan















 





  http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2009/11/akihabara-video/
-- 



 

  













  
_
Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection.
http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/
http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/

Re: [scifinoir2] Film Clip - 2012 - California's Going Down

I think Hollywood made the following decision and it is a cardinal rule:
REALITY IS BORING. So we end up with massive explosions and the planet
imploding.

On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Martin Baxter wrote:

>
>
> I said, in another SF forum with regard to this, that it would be
> IMPOSSIBLE to fly in that kind of upheaval. The earth literally leaping up
> hither and yon would push wind shears upward, which would knock down
> ANYTHING in the air. Well, except for the airplanes that are hit by the cars
> thrown skyward. And I just thought of the thermal updrafts.
>
> H'Wood, two words -- SCIENCE ADVISOR. (Pardon the shouting. This offends my
> sensibilities.)
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:39:36 -0800
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Film Clip - 2012 - California's Going Down
>
>
>  The same one that says you can outrun an explosion.
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 9:30 AM, sincere1906  wrote:
>
> So this movie looks ridiculous...and i don't even want to know what warped
> science they'll be giving as to the reason for the apocalypse, but the
> disaster scenes sure give some hilarity.  Here's saying good-bye to
> California:
>
> Film Clip:
>
> http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1810045661/video/15978850
>
>
>
> 
>
> Post your SciFiNoir Profile at
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo!
> Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years!
> Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
>
>
> --
> Bing brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. Try it
> now.
>
> 
>



-- 
Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years!
Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/

RE: [scifinoir2] the weirdest musical ever!


Normally, I'm cool at best toward musicals. ("West Side Story" and "South 
Pacific" is about the limit for me.) But I think I could sit through this one...

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 03:51:08 -0800
Subject: [scifinoir2] the weirdest musical ever!















 





  http://vancouver.evildeadthemusical.com/

I think its time that we had a sit down talk with Canada... 



 

  













  
_
Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection.
http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: V- New Series - Ranting Review... No Real Spoilers...Sort of.

I am watching this "show" right now and I have to admit that I am already
pissed off at this show... First off, after living in California my entire
life I hate it when people just stand around and never take cover during an
EARTHQUAKE Do people actually just stand there asking "What is
that??"

The rest of my complaints I will hold for the rest of the folks to watch the
show.

On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 3:25 PM, sincere1906  wrote:

> The Hudlin brothers' version of Derrick Bell's "Space Traders" in Cosmic
> Slop, the one-time pilot that (sadly) never made it to series. Classic
> stuff.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8yFiam9260
>
> A Michael Bay movie...lol... we did have one rather unneeded explosion...
>
> Sin / BG
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
> >
> > There was an HBO movie a few years back that used the premise that aliens
> > came to this planet and asked them for every person that was darker than
> the
> > color of a paper bag. In return they got medicines and technology.  There
> > was a vote on it and the aliens got the black folks.
> >
> > I concur with everyone. At the minimum they could have said that it was 4
> > months later or something like that. Maybe a short montage showing that
> the
> > V were learning the culture and language. At the minimum the V are using
> > guerrilla marketing and whatnot which is ridiculous to have out of the
> blue.
> >
> >
> > You know, this reminds me of a Michael Bay movie
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Keith Johnson wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yeah, all major reveals in less than sixty. I'm especially upset about
> the
> > > Underground already being revealed and being so active. Morris
> Chestnut's
> > > secrets coming out in the same show was disappointing too.  And there
> was no
> > > build up at all to let us feel the slow anxiety of young people putting
> on V
> > > brownshirt uniforms. Hell, even the Nazi's took longer than that to see
> > > their plans reach fruition! And like I said, the FBI agent's son just
> came
> > > across as a smarthmouthed punk kid with the hots for a blonde Visitor.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I guess ABC is trying to hook us, and then will spend the ensuing weeks
> > > fleshing out the barebones story we got last night?  :(
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > No joke, i really would like to see stories like this told from the
> point
> > > of view of black people, other people of color, and the very poor. For
> > > example, there have been conversations here about what if the Visitors
> were
> > > of Negroid appearance? Well, I'd like to see what the average black
> person
> > > would feel about another majority-white race coming in power and force.
> i
> > > think many of us would, given our history, be extremely suspicious. I
> for
> > > one would be extremely concerned that the Visitors don't get the idea
> from
> > > America and Europe that white people belong in power (the way the
> Japanese,
> > > when visiting America in the 19th Century, gained new respect for white
> > > America when they saw how it kept blacks as second class citizens). I'd
> be
> > > concerned that some humans would try to join with the Visitors to start
> up
> > > some kind of slavery thing again. I'd be concerned that the voice of
> this
> > > incredibly advanced race doesn't look like me, and what that means for
> their
> > > feelings about our race and how different ethnicities rate? I'd think
> > > Natives likewise would say, on seeing the ships sail in from the
> stellar
> > > ocean, "Uh-oh, here we go again. Think we can send 'em back this
> time?".  i
> > > know older blacks from the country, like my late parents, would be
> > > suspicious of anyone bearing gifts with suposedly no strings attached.
> My
> > > dad never trusted a man who grinned too often and promised too much. My
> mom
> > > would say "That Visitor leader is pretty, but I think she's a snake".
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > What would people in the inner city say? Would they leave their senses
> and
> > > become V devotees for the promise of food and health? or would they
> remember
> > > Tuskegee and say "I'll let someone else go first"?I mean, i was mildy
> > > surprised at how many black people--many on this list--are vehemently
> > > distrustful of flu and other vaccines right now. I can't imagine all
> would
> > > rush out to take whatever the Visitors are dishing out. Alien
> medicines?
> > > Naw, bro', you go first!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "sincere1906" 
> > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2009 12:27:20 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada
> Eastern
> > > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: V- New Series - Ranting Review... No Real
> > > Spoilers...Sort of.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Keith,
> > >
> > > You said it perfectly--much more clear than I couuld. No suspense here.
> No
> > > mystery. No awe at watching humans slowly grapple with this new world
> of
> >

RE: [scifinoir2] Film Clip - 2012 - California's Going Down


I said, in another SF forum with regard to this, that it would be IMPOSSIBLE to 
fly in that kind of upheaval. The earth literally leaping up hither and yon 
would push wind shears upward, which would knock down ANYTHING in the air. 
Well, except for the airplanes that are hit by the cars thrown skyward. And I 
just thought of the thermal updrafts.

H'Wood, two words -- SCIENCE ADVISOR. (Pardon the shouting. This offends my 
sensibilities.)

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:39:36 -0800
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Film Clip - 2012 - California's Going Down


















 



  



  
  
  The same one that says you can outrun an explosion. 


On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 9:30 AM, sincere1906  wrote:

So this movie looks ridiculous...and i don't even want to know what warped 
science they'll be giving as to the reason for the apocalypse, but the disaster 
scenes sure give some hilarity.  Here's saying good-bye to California:




Film Clip:



http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1810045661/video/15978850











Post your SciFiNoir Profile at

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo!
 Groups Links



http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/



Individual Email | Traditional



http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/join

(Yahoo! ID required)



mailto:scifinoir2-dig...@yahoogroups.com

mailto:scifinoir2-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com



scifinoir2-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com



http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/





-- 
Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years! 
Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/






 









  
_
Bing brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place.
http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurants&form=MFESRP&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MFESRP_Local_MapsMenu_Resturants_1x1

RE: [scifinoir2] Louisiana justice who refused interracial marriage resigns


Buh-BYE! Don't let the screen door hit ya where the Good Deity split ya!

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:01:02 -0800
Subject: [scifinoir2] Louisiana justice who refused interracial marriage resigns


















 



  



  
  
  Finally some good news...

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/US/11/03/louisiana.interracial.marriage/

-- 
Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years! 

Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/





 









  
_
Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection.
http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/
http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/

[scifinoir2] Re: V- New Series - Ranting Review... No Real Spoilers...Sort of.

The Hudlin brothers' version of Derrick Bell's "Space Traders" in Cosmic Slop, 
the one-time pilot that (sadly) never made it to series. Classic stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8yFiam9260

A Michael Bay movie...lol... we did have one rather unneeded explosion...

Sin / BG

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>
> There was an HBO movie a few years back that used the premise that aliens
> came to this planet and asked them for every person that was darker than the
> color of a paper bag. In return they got medicines and technology.  There
> was a vote on it and the aliens got the black folks.
> 
> I concur with everyone. At the minimum they could have said that it was 4
> months later or something like that. Maybe a short montage showing that the
> V were learning the culture and language. At the minimum the V are using
> guerrilla marketing and whatnot which is ridiculous to have out of the blue.
> 
> 
> You know, this reminds me of a Michael Bay movie
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Keith Johnson wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > Yeah, all major reveals in less than sixty. I'm especially upset about the
> > Underground already being revealed and being so active. Morris Chestnut's
> > secrets coming out in the same show was disappointing too.  And there was no
> > build up at all to let us feel the slow anxiety of young people putting on V
> > brownshirt uniforms. Hell, even the Nazi's took longer than that to see
> > their plans reach fruition! And like I said, the FBI agent's son just came
> > across as a smarthmouthed punk kid with the hots for a blonde Visitor.
> >
> >
> >
> > I guess ABC is trying to hook us, and then will spend the ensuing weeks
> > fleshing out the barebones story we got last night?  :(
> >
> >
> >
> > No joke, i really would like to see stories like this told from the point
> > of view of black people, other people of color, and the very poor. For
> > example, there have been conversations here about what if the Visitors were
> > of Negroid appearance? Well, I'd like to see what the average black person
> > would feel about another majority-white race coming in power and force. i
> > think many of us would, given our history, be extremely suspicious. I for
> > one would be extremely concerned that the Visitors don't get the idea from
> > America and Europe that white people belong in power (the way the Japanese,
> > when visiting America in the 19th Century, gained new respect for white
> > America when they saw how it kept blacks as second class citizens). I'd be
> > concerned that some humans would try to join with the Visitors to start up
> > some kind of slavery thing again. I'd be concerned that the voice of this
> > incredibly advanced race doesn't look like me, and what that means for their
> > feelings about our race and how different ethnicities rate? I'd think
> > Natives likewise would say, on seeing the ships sail in from the stellar
> > ocean, "Uh-oh, here we go again. Think we can send 'em back this time?".  i
> > know older blacks from the country, like my late parents, would be
> > suspicious of anyone bearing gifts with suposedly no strings attached. My
> > dad never trusted a man who grinned too often and promised too much. My mom
> > would say "That Visitor leader is pretty, but I think she's a snake".
> >
> >
> >
> > What would people in the inner city say? Would they leave their senses and
> > become V devotees for the promise of food and health? or would they remember
> > Tuskegee and say "I'll let someone else go first"?I mean, i was mildy
> > surprised at how many black people--many on this list--are vehemently
> > distrustful of flu and other vaccines right now. I can't imagine all would
> > rush out to take whatever the Visitors are dishing out. Alien medicines?
> > Naw, bro', you go first!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "sincere1906" 
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2009 12:27:20 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: V- New Series - Ranting Review... No Real
> > Spoilers...Sort of.
> >
> >
> >
> > Keith,
> >
> > You said it perfectly--much more clear than I couuld. No suspense here. No
> > mystery. No awe at watching humans slowly grapple with this new world of
> > alien visitors. This should have all played out over several episodes. They
> > did it all in 40 minutes. What the frack??? Perhaps they're dumbing it down
> > to meet the short attention spans of today's viewing audience, but it causes
> > their story to lack any sense of depth. I'll tune in next week, but only
> > because my DVR is makin me...
> >
> > Sin aka BG
> >
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith
> > Johnson  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [ Minor spoilers]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Well said, I completely agree. I was curiously underwhelmed. I started
> > out wondering "Why is this a series instead of a 'mini series'?" I think
> > this being done as a mult

RE: [scifinoir2] o/t Fury over California's Proposed TV Rules


I don't get why manufacturers in Cali can't meet the Energy Star specs. Every 
TV I've seen in stores here in Georgia (and I just ran through three of them 
less than an hour ago, trying to find printer ink) were Energy Star.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 21:46:00 -0800
Subject: [scifinoir2] o/t Fury over California's Proposed TV Rules















 





  
http://www.businessweek.com/the_thread/techbeat/archives/2009/11/fury_over_calif.html
Its about a law that boycotts flatscreen tvs that use a lot of electricity.




 

  













  
_
Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection.
http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: V- New Series - Ranting Review... No Real Spoilers...Sort of.

There was an HBO movie a few years back that used the premise that aliens
came to this planet and asked them for every person that was darker than the
color of a paper bag. In return they got medicines and technology.  There
was a vote on it and the aliens got the black folks.

I concur with everyone. At the minimum they could have said that it was 4
months later or something like that. Maybe a short montage showing that the
V were learning the culture and language. At the minimum the V are using
guerrilla marketing and whatnot which is ridiculous to have out of the blue.


You know, this reminds me of a Michael Bay movie



On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Keith Johnson wrote:

>
>
> Yeah, all major reveals in less than sixty. I'm especially upset about the
> Underground already being revealed and being so active. Morris Chestnut's
> secrets coming out in the same show was disappointing too.  And there was no
> build up at all to let us feel the slow anxiety of young people putting on V
> brownshirt uniforms. Hell, even the Nazi's took longer than that to see
> their plans reach fruition! And like I said, the FBI agent's son just came
> across as a smarthmouthed punk kid with the hots for a blonde Visitor.
>
>
>
> I guess ABC is trying to hook us, and then will spend the ensuing weeks
> fleshing out the barebones story we got last night?  :(
>
>
>
> No joke, i really would like to see stories like this told from the point
> of view of black people, other people of color, and the very poor. For
> example, there have been conversations here about what if the Visitors were
> of Negroid appearance? Well, I'd like to see what the average black person
> would feel about another majority-white race coming in power and force. i
> think many of us would, given our history, be extremely suspicious. I for
> one would be extremely concerned that the Visitors don't get the idea from
> America and Europe that white people belong in power (the way the Japanese,
> when visiting America in the 19th Century, gained new respect for white
> America when they saw how it kept blacks as second class citizens). I'd be
> concerned that some humans would try to join with the Visitors to start up
> some kind of slavery thing again. I'd be concerned that the voice of this
> incredibly advanced race doesn't look like me, and what that means for their
> feelings about our race and how different ethnicities rate? I'd think
> Natives likewise would say, on seeing the ships sail in from the stellar
> ocean, "Uh-oh, here we go again. Think we can send 'em back this time?".  i
> know older blacks from the country, like my late parents, would be
> suspicious of anyone bearing gifts with suposedly no strings attached. My
> dad never trusted a man who grinned too often and promised too much. My mom
> would say "That Visitor leader is pretty, but I think she's a snake".
>
>
>
> What would people in the inner city say? Would they leave their senses and
> become V devotees for the promise of food and health? or would they remember
> Tuskegee and say "I'll let someone else go first"?I mean, i was mildy
> surprised at how many black people--many on this list--are vehemently
> distrustful of flu and other vaccines right now. I can't imagine all would
> rush out to take whatever the Visitors are dishing out. Alien medicines?
> Naw, bro', you go first!
>
>
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "sincere1906" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2009 12:27:20 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: V- New Series - Ranting Review... No Real
> Spoilers...Sort of.
>
>
>
> Keith,
>
> You said it perfectly--much more clear than I couuld. No suspense here. No
> mystery. No awe at watching humans slowly grapple with this new world of
> alien visitors. This should have all played out over several episodes. They
> did it all in 40 minutes. What the frack??? Perhaps they're dumbing it down
> to meet the short attention spans of today's viewing audience, but it causes
> their story to lack any sense of depth. I'll tune in next week, but only
> because my DVR is makin me...
>
> Sin aka BG
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith
> Johnson  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > [ Minor spoilers]
> >
> >
> >
> > Well said, I completely agree. I was curiously underwhelmed. I started
> out wondering "Why is this a series instead of a 'mini series'?" I think
> this being done as a multi-night miniseries would make it more interesting.
> Trying to follow "V" as a series, means it'll probably fail just as the "V"
> original series did. That's of course assuming it is a real series: did I
> read that it's been shot as a self-contained arc that could have been aired
> as a miniseries, but ABC is now airing it episodically? either way, not a
> good move.
> >
> >
> >
> > But to your points, I too was struck by how quickly this thing moved. In
> less than an hour we have a full fledged Resistance, justified by the new
> angle

[scifinoir2] Louisiana justice who refused interracial marriage resigns

Finally some good news...

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/US/11/03/louisiana.interracial.marriage/


-- 
Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years!
Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo?

This reminded me of the show Sliders. There were a lot of different
realities but his house was often still there and his key still worked on
the front door. He rarely ran into his alternate self. (They will probably
do a remake of this show. Mark my words!)



On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 7:58 AM, Keith Johnson wrote:

>
>
> But the point of alternate realities is that there are an infinite number
> of them "next" to ours where those events happened virtually identically. If
> the idea of those realities already existing since Creation, then going down
> the same road as ours for eons bothers you, try the alternate concept. That
> is, that alternate realities are literally created every time one of those
> events you mentioned could go another way. So perhaps we started with a
> Prime Reality, then as soon as probability came into play, alternate
> realities started splitting off for each event that had more than one
> possible outcome.
>
> So, there are realities where the whole universe is a liquid made of
> anti-matter, and you and I never existed. But there are realities where you
> and I did exist but slightly different. Perhaps I'm the president in reality
> 30002, perhaps you're a famous writer in reality 5544. The existence of
> those realities that are similar to ours isn't precluded by your valid point
> that there must be realities completely different from ours, where you and I
> don't exist.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mr. Worf" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2009 1:58:32 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo?
>
>
>
> I agree. That is kind of what I was thinking about when I replied. The
> existence of life on this planet, and how humans evolved, etc. all
> contributed to you being here right now. Not to mention the random events
> that may have happened in your life to make you who you are.
>
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:51 PM, Omari Confer wrote:
>
>> You all assume that there would be an alternate you. The percentages of
>> genetic material traded during conception is a random concept. This supposed
>> theme assumes we as persnalities would be intact. We assume too much I
>> think...
>>
>> c w m
>> -
>>  Keith Johnson wrote:
>>
>> I think the idea is that if you venture too far from the basic
>> pattern--the species, etc.--it's no longer "you". After all, the idea is
>> parallel universes--alternate realities. So, you could, in some universe, be
>> a gay cowboy running dilithium ore on a space barge, but the genetic makeup
>> would still be "you". If you were, say, a giant crab creature, it wouldn't
>> be you, it'd be someone else. The idea here is that the physical and mental
>> selves are just variations on a basic theme.
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Mr. Worf" 
>> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 11:16:45 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Exactly! There could be so many other alternate versions. Would they still
>> be "you??" What if he went to an alternate universe and he was his
>> anti-matter self? Or instead of humans evolving from something similar to
>> apes, we were evolved from caterpillars or wolves?
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't think every reality's Law was a skilled martial artist, just the
>> one with the good cop and the bad cop. The convict Law (the one who was
>> killed during a transfer) simply kicked in the bars of a cell because he was
>> supper strong.
>> As for your alternate selves being radically different from you, that's an
>> interesting point. Is part of that alternate reality a being that is similar
>> to you, e.g., a carbon-based, bipedal humanoid in all cases? Would a
>> mutipedal insectoid with a carapace still be you?
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Mr. Worf" < hellomahog...@gmail.com >
>> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 9:45:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I had problems with the idea of "the One." Every universe won't have the
>> same guy with the same martial art skills etc. on that planet. There are so
>> many variables that the variables themselves would be infinite as well. For
>> example there could be a planet that has a look alike that is stronger and
>> faster.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Was Seraph the messenger dude who fought Neo "so he could really know
>> him"? Not the biggest lost.
>>
>> "The One" is one of my fav scifi movies of recent years. It's not the
>> greatest, by any means, but it's fun, has some good action, and enough
>> intelligently written sc

Re: [scifinoir2] V- New Series - Ranting Review... No Real Spoilers...Sort of.

I re-watched the original mini-series and the follow up mini-series. There
was a huge difference in quality of the first 2 episodes and the rest of the
mini-series. Most of the actors from the first few episodes weren't in the
rest of the series, and it looked like the show got watered down for kids. A
lot of the adult themes were gone such as the Nazi theme, and the collusion
between the aliens and humans were completely gone. I hope that the new mini
series doesn't do the same.

On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 6:13 AM, sincere1906  wrote:

> My fan-based take on the new series? "Eh."
>
> I sat and watched the original V this past weekend. Cheesey, wackest
> special effects, *HORRIBLE* acting, plots and scenes to make you
> laugh...can't believe as a kid I thought it was about the best series ever.
> I think in the post X-Files, DS9, LOST, etc. world, we expect much more from
> a tv series than we got in the early 80s.
>
> Yet, while this new series certainly beats the original in acting, special
> effects, and the like, it could have learned something about the art of
> storytelling from its predecessor. Aliens show up on Earth, and after a
> brief few minutes of shock its just normalized. Everyone is on board with
> it...some to the point of devotion and worship. Unlike the original, there
> aren't hosts of scientists openly questioning how that kind of parallel
> evolution can be possible. Not much in the way of scientists at all. Perhaps
> its because the star of this remake is an FBI agent, who amazingly keeps up
> her normal anti-terror routine with friggin ALIENS on the planet, rather
> than a journalist and a medical scientists in the original. There are
> protests erupting around the globe--but heck if the show bothers to tell you
> *why.* Some people become distrustful of the Visitors, but they don't give
> much of a reason either. In fact, they seemed openly hostile and distrustful
> from day one. It seems like the aliens arrived on Earth and within days they
> are entrenched in our society---alot of people like them, some don't. And
> before you know it, there's gonna be an opposition movement. How that
> happened and why, I'm not even certain. It's like I blinked and bam, there I
> was. 30 minutes into the new series, and I was wondering if I missed an
> episode already. The first V might have been cheesey as hell (and at times
> god-awful), but I at least had time to process the aliens arrival and get a
> realistic vision of how some peoples initial optimism turns to distrust
> after they begin to find numerous faults with the aliens. This remake seemed
> to decide to do my thinking for me.
>
> I'll tune in next week...my DVR will make sure of that. But so far, I'm
> rather under-whelmed.
>
> MHO, of course.
>
> Sin aka BG
>
>
>
> 
>
> Post your SciFiNoir Profile at
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo!
> Groups Links
>
>
>
>


-- 
Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years!
Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Teen Titans: Blackest Night



I'm reading Darkest Night, but it hasnt' really captured me so far. There are 
now Lanterns for every color of the rainbow. Issue 3 of the series had orange 
and indigo Lanterns.  I'm still trying to reconcile the concept of a color 
reflecting an emotion or concept: yellow, for example, being the manisfestation 
of fear, red of lust/rage, etc. For one thing, the "light" is only within the 
visible spectrum of humans, so how do the different colors translate to 
universal emotions? Might there not be races that see ultraviolet, infrared, 
radio, and X-rays, and for them, the "colors" associated with emotions would 
differ? Does red represent lust in every corner of reality? 


- Original Message - 
From: "Omari Confer"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2009 3:07:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Teen Titans: Blackest Night 

  




Guess I have not seen the Storm fake in question.Is it a decent stroyline? 

c w m 
- 
B Smith< daikaij...@yahoo.com > wrote: 

There are two different covers for issue 3. The one in the link was a bloodied 
Dove backed up against a wall with the Black Lanterns coming towards her. The 
Terra and the other dead Titans cover is the George Perez variant. 

The covers you're referring are from issue 1 of the series and the other is the 
issue 3 variant Perez cover. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Omari Confer  wrote: 
> 
> The two blackest night covers i saw had a dead blonde titan kissing Beast 
> Boy and one with her hands up controlling rock..sounds like terra to me 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 4:52 PM, B Smith  wrote: 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > It's Dove. Her former partner Hawk/Monarch/Extant becoming one of the Black 
> > Lanterns is part of the storyline. 
> > 
> > Also Terra was a blonde and Dove has white/silver hair and the costume is 
> > very different. The original Terra is also one of the Black Lanterns. 
> > 
> > Apparently there is a new Terra and she's a brunette with a different 
> > origin and costume. 
> > 
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Omari 
> > Confer  wrote: 
> > > 
> > > I think that might be Terraand not Dove. 
> > > 
> > > c w m 
> > > 
> > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Martin Baxter wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > No, rave. That's a funny angle on her, making he rloook darker-skinned 
> > than 
> > > > she is. Dove is one pale little thang. 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in 
> > > > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 
> > > > 
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > -- 
> > > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com  
> > > > From: ravenadal@ 
> > 
> > > > Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:08:46 + 
> > > > Subject: [scifinoir2] Teen Titans: Blackest Night 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > I don't read "Teen Titans" (or any other comic, currently) so tell me 
> > > > true - is the woman on the cover of this issue (link below) some kind 
> > of 
> > > > broke ass Storm? 
> > > > 
> > > > ~rave? 
> > > > 
> > > > http://blackgeekdom.com/blog/2009/10/29/new-comics-10-28-09/ 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > -- 
> > > > Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now.< 
> > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ > 
> > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > clockworkman blog 
> > > http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com 
> > > STRING THEORY 
> > > http://stringtheory.podbean.com 
> > > Netflix Friends 
> > > http://www.netflix.com/BeMyFriend/P5Vr384ukvNnY78xUJOT 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> clockworkman blog 
> http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com 
> STRING THEORY 
> http://stringtheory.podbean.com 
> Netflix Friends 
> http://www.netflix.com/BeMyFriend/P5Vr384ukvNnY78xUJOT 
>

Re: [scifinoir2] Film Clip - 2012 - California's Going Down

The same one that says you can outrun an explosion.

On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 9:30 AM, sincere1906  wrote:

> So this movie looks ridiculous...and i don't even want to know what warped
> science they'll be giving as to the reason for the apocalypse, but the
> disaster scenes sure give some hilarity.  Here's saying good-bye to
> California:
>
> Film Clip:
>
> http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1810045661/video/15978850
>
>
>
> 
>
> Post your SciFiNoir Profile at
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo!
> Groups Links
>
>
>
>


-- 
Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years!
Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/

Re: [scifinoir2] Film Clip - 2012 - California's Going Down



Agreed! We discussed this a week or so ago. I'm still trying to figure out what 
prognosticators have determined that the Mayans said we all go "boom!" in 2012, 
and what the so-called Cosmic/Stellar Alignment or Conjunction or whatever has 
to do with it. Surely folks don't believe that a few star systems or Zodiac 
signs or galaxies in some kind of line will generate a focused gravity well 
that'll tear the Cosmos asunder?! 


- Original Message - 
From: "sincere1906"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2009 12:30:31 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Film Clip - 2012 - California's Going Down 

  




So this movie looks ridiculous...and i don't even want to know what warped 
science they'll be giving as to the reason for the apocalypse, but the disaster 
scenes sure give some hilarity. Here's saying good-bye to California: 

Film Clip: 

http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1810045661/video/15978850

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Teen Titans: Blackest Night

2009-11-04 Thread Omari Confer

Guess I have not seen the Storm fake in question.Is it a decent stroyline?

c w m
-
B Smith wrote:

There are two different covers for issue 3. The one in the link was a bloodied 
Dove backed up against a wall with the Black Lanterns coming towards her. The 
Terra and the other dead Titans cover is the George Perez variant.

The covers you're referring are from issue 1 of the series and the other is the 
issue 3 variant Perez cover.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Omari Confer  wrote:
>
> The two blackest night covers i saw had a dead blonde titan kissing Beast
> Boy and one with her hands up controlling rock..sounds like terra to me
> 
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 4:52 PM, B Smith  wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > It's Dove. Her former partner Hawk/Monarch/Extant becoming one of the Black
> > Lanterns is part of the storyline.
> >
> > Also Terra was a blonde and Dove has white/silver hair and the costume is
> > very different. The original Terra is also one of the Black Lanterns.
> >
> > Apparently there is a new Terra and she's a brunette with a different
> > origin and costume.
> >
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Omari
> > Confer  wrote:
> > >
> > > I think that might be Terraand not Dove.
> > >
> > > c w m
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Martin Baxter wrote:
> >
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > No, rave. That's a funny angle on her, making he rloook darker-skinned
> > than
> > > > she is. Dove is one pale little thang.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> > > > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> > > >
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > From: ravenadal@
> >
> > > > Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:08:46 +
> > > > Subject: [scifinoir2] Teen Titans: Blackest Night
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I don't read "Teen Titans" (or any other comic, currently) so tell me
> > > > true - is the woman on the cover of this issue (link below) some kind
> > of
> > > > broke ass Storm?
> > > >
> > > > ~rave?
> > > >
> > > > http://blackgeekdom.com/blog/2009/10/29/new-comics-10-28-09/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now.<
> > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/>
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > clockworkman blog
> > > http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com
> > > STRING THEORY
> > > http://stringtheory.podbean.com
> > > Netflix Friends
> > > http://www.netflix.com/BeMyFriend/P5Vr384ukvNnY78xUJOT
> > >
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> clockworkman blog
> http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com
> STRING THEORY
> http://stringtheory.podbean.com
> Netflix Friends
> http://www.netflix.com/BeMyFriend/P5Vr384ukvNnY78xUJOT
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Teen Titans: Blackest Night

2009-11-04 Thread B Smith

There are two different covers for issue 3. The one in the link was a bloodied 
Dove backed up against a wall with the Black Lanterns coming towards her. The 
Terra and the other dead Titans cover is the George Perez variant.

The covers you're referring are from issue 1 of the series and the other is the 
issue 3 variant Perez cover.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Omari Confer  wrote:
>
> The two blackest night covers i saw had a dead blonde titan kissing Beast
> Boy and one with her hands up controlling rock..sounds like terra to me
> 
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 4:52 PM, B Smith  wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > It's Dove. Her former partner Hawk/Monarch/Extant becoming one of the Black
> > Lanterns is part of the storyline.
> >
> > Also Terra was a blonde and Dove has white/silver hair and the costume is
> > very different. The original Terra is also one of the Black Lanterns.
> >
> > Apparently there is a new Terra and she's a brunette with a different
> > origin and costume.
> >
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Omari
> > Confer  wrote:
> > >
> > > I think that might be Terraand not Dove.
> > >
> > > c w m
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Martin Baxter wrote:
> >
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > No, rave. That's a funny angle on her, making he rloook darker-skinned
> > than
> > > > she is. Dove is one pale little thang.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> > > > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> > > >
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > From: ravenadal@
> >
> > > > Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:08:46 +
> > > > Subject: [scifinoir2] Teen Titans: Blackest Night
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I don't read "Teen Titans" (or any other comic, currently) so tell me
> > > > true - is the woman on the cover of this issue (link below) some kind
> > of
> > > > broke ass Storm?
> > > >
> > > > ~rave?
> > > >
> > > > http://blackgeekdom.com/blog/2009/10/29/new-comics-10-28-09/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now.<
> > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/>
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > clockworkman blog
> > > http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com
> > > STRING THEORY
> > > http://stringtheory.podbean.com
> > > Netflix Friends
> > > http://www.netflix.com/BeMyFriend/P5Vr384ukvNnY78xUJOT
> > >
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> clockworkman blog
> http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com
> STRING THEORY
> http://stringtheory.podbean.com
> Netflix Friends
> http://www.netflix.com/BeMyFriend/P5Vr384ukvNnY78xUJOT
>

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: V- New Series - Ranting Review... No Real Spoilers...Sort of.

Yeah, all major reveals in less than sixty. I'm especially upset about the 
Underground already being revealed and being so active. Morris Chestnut's 
secrets coming out in the same show was disappointing too.  And there was no 
build up at all to let us feel the slow anxiety of young people putting on V 
brownshirt uniforms. Hell, even the Nazi's took longer than that to see their 
plans reach fruition! And l ike I said, the FBI agent's son just came across as 
a smarthmouthed punk kid with the hots for a blonde Visitor. 

I guess ABC is trying to hook us, and then will spend the ensuing weeks 
fleshing out the barebones story we got last night?  :( 

No joke, i really would like to see stories like this told from the point of 
view of black people, other people of color, and the very poor. For example, 
there have been conversations here about what if the Visitors were of Negroid 
appearance? Well, I'd like to see what the average black person would feel 
about another majority-white race coming in power and force . i think many of 
us would, given our history, be extremely suspicious. I for one would be 
extremely concerned that the Visitors don't get the idea from America and 
Europe that white people belong in power (the way the Japanese, when visiting 
America in the 19th Century, gained new respect for white America when they saw 
how it kept blacks as second class citizens). I'd be concerned that some humans 
would try to join with the Visitors to start up some kind of slavery thing 
again. I'd be concerned that the voice of this incredibly advanced race doesn't 
look like me, and what that means for their feelings about our race and how 
different ethnicities rate? I'd think Natives likewise would say, on seeing the 
ships sail in from the stellar ocean, "Uh-oh, here we go again. Think we can 
send 'em back this time?".  i know older blacks from the country, like my late 
parents, would be suspicious of anyone bearing gifts with suposedly no strings 
attached. My dad never trusted a man who grinned too often and promised too 
much. My mom would say "That Visitor leader is pretty, but I think she's a 
snake". 

What would people in the inner city say? Would they leave their senses and 
become V devotees for the promise of food and health? or would they remember 
Tuskegee and say "I'll let someone else go first"?I mean, i was mildy surprised 
at how many black people--many on this list--are vehemently distrustful of flu 
and other vaccines right now. I can't imagine all would rush out to take 
whatever the Visitors are dishing out. Alien medicines? Naw, bro', you go 
first! 

- Original Message - 
From: "sincere1906"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2009 12:27:20 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: V- New Series - Ranting Review... No Real 
Spoilers...Sort of. 

Keith, 

You said it perfectly--much more clear than I couuld. No suspense here. No 
mystery. No awe at watching humans slowly grapple with this new world of alien 
visitors. This should have all played out over several episodes. They did it 
all in 40 minutes. What the frack??? Perhaps they're dumbing it down to meet 
the short attention spans of today's viewing audience, but it causes their 
story to lack any sense of depth. I'll tune in next week, but only because my 
DVR is makin me... 

Sin aka BG 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson  wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> [ Minor spoilers] 
> 
> 
> 
> Well said, I completely agree. I was curiously underwhelmed. I started out 
> wondering "Why is this a series instead of a 'mini series'?" I think this 
> being done as a multi-night miniseries would make it more interesting. Trying 
> to follow "V" as a series, means it'll probably fail just as the "V" original 
> series did. That's of course assuming it is a real series: did I read that 
> it's been shot as a self-contained arc that could have been aired as a 
> miniseries, but ABC is now airing it episodically? either way, not a good 
> move. 
> 
> 
> 
> But to your points, I too was struck by how quickly this thing moved. In less 
> than an hour we have a full fledged Resistance, justified by the new angle 
> that "the V's have already been here for years". That's a plausible 
> storyline, but I prefer the one where they just showed up out of nowhere and 
> started doing their thing. We find out about V spies amongst us, we already 
> know about V traitors who don't agree with their race's plans, and the 
> battle's joined. The FBI agent' son is already an indoctrinated brown shirt 
> for the Visitors. (And by the way, the kid irritated the hell out of me. When 
> he stated backtalking his mom--who stayed while her husband left--I wished 
> she'd slugged him one!)Â  i got whiplash, and I was sorely disappointed that 
> the writers chose to dumb down a script that should have built slowly. Were 
> they trying to go for the younger demographic that they feel is

[scifinoir2] Film Clip - 2012 - California's Going Down

So this movie looks ridiculous...and i don't even want to know what warped 
science they'll be giving as to the reason for the apocalypse, but the disaster 
scenes sure give some hilarity.  Here's saying good-bye to California:

Film Clip:

http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1810045661/video/15978850

[scifinoir2] Re: V- New Series - Ranting Review... No Real Spoilers...Sort of.

Keith,

You said it perfectly--much more clear than I couuld. No suspense here. No 
mystery. No awe at watching humans slowly grapple with this new world of alien 
visitors. This should have all played out over several episodes. They did it 
all in 40 minutes. What the frack??? Perhaps they're dumbing it down to meet 
the short attention spans of today's viewing audience, but it causes their 
story to lack any sense of depth. I'll tune in next week, but only because my 
DVR is makin me...

Sin aka BG

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> [ Minor spoilers] 
> 
> 
> 
> Well said, I completely agree. I was curiously underwhelmed. I started out 
> wondering "Why is this a series instead of a 'mini series'?" I think this 
> being done as a multi-night miniseries would make it more interesting. Trying 
> to follow "V" as a series, means it'll probably fail just as the "V" original 
> series did. That's of course assuming it is a real series: did I read that 
> it's been shot as a self-contained arc that could have been aired as a 
> miniseries, but ABC is now airing it episodically? either way, not a good 
> move. 
> 
> 
> 
> But to your points, I too was struck by how quickly this thing moved. In less 
> than an hour we have a full fledged Resistance, justified by the new angle 
> that "the V's have already been here for years". That's a plausible 
> storyline, but I prefer the one where they just showed up out of nowhere and 
> started doing their thing. We find out about V spies amongst us, we already 
> know about V traitors who don't agree with their race's plans, and the 
> battle's joined. The FBI agent' son is already an indoctrinated brown shirt 
> for the Visitors. (And by the way, the kid irritated the hell out of me. When 
> he stated backtalking his mom--who stayed while her husband left--I wished 
> she'd slugged him one!)Â  i got whiplash, and I was sorely disappointed that 
> the writers chose to dumb down a script that should have built slowly. Were 
> they trying to go for the younger demographic that they feel is less patient 
> nowadays? An injustice for everyone if so. I remember the slow reveal of V, 
> and the shock of the famous scene when their repast revealed their true 
> nature. I remember the show where an old Holocaust survivor shows kids how to 
> tag "V" for "Victory" and make it mean something. Half the power of the 
> original was shot onto screen last night. 
> 
> 
> 
> Your point about production values, acting, etc. being better is well taken. 
> But as I said the other day in discussing remakes, those are surface things. 
> If the remake doesn't improve upon/update some underlying messages and issues 
> in a compelling way, what's the point? This "V"is prettier, but the rush to 
> get to the action and the reveal is spoiling it for me. I'm not sure the 
> writers understand the power of suspense. Now *maybe* this will build slowly 
> over the next few weeks as the human race learns to their horror what they've 
> embraced. Kenneth Johnson's name on the credits gives me hope. But i'm very 
> doubtful... 
> 
> 
> 
> By the way, do you like the new leader? I love Morena Baccarin. Her 
> understated nature works for this subdued, seductive, smiling High Commander. 
> But for some reason i prefered the pretty-but-fierce Diana from the original. 
> She was always slightly impatient acting, always one moment away from being 
> pissed off or exploding. Perhaps Baccarin's beatific mien better fits as a 
> way to lull the populace into a false sense of security. And maybe it's my 
> background that makes me distrust someone who's too calm and happy all the 
> time. As Kor said in the OS ep "Errand of Mercy", "I don't trust people who 
> smile too much". 
> 
> 
> 
> Diana would have made me cautious and suspicious, the new leader makes me 
> downright uncomfortable and apprehensive. And that comment about "evolving 
> our minds to eliminate negative thoughts and emotions"? My first damn thought 
> would have been, "ah hell naw--they're gonna try to brainwash the whole damn 
> planet into mindless happy-faced drones!" 
> 
> 
> 
> I think the story of "V" needs to be told from the point of view of the Black 
> community! Like theÂ comics always say, we'd be all over this stuff in a hot 
> minute! 
> 
> 
> 
> Â :) 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "sincere1906"  
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2009 9:13:18 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] V- New Series - Ranting Review... No Real 
> Spoilers...Sort of. 
> 
> Â  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> My fan-based take on the new series? "Eh." 
> 
> I sat and watched the original V this past weekend. Cheesey, wackest special 
> effects, *HORRIBLE* acting, plots and scenes to make you laugh...can't 
> believe as a kid I thought it was about the best series ever. I think in the 
> post X-Files, DS9, LOST, etc. world, we expect much more from a tv series 
> than we go

[scifinoir2] "V" aims at Obamamania

2009-11-04 Thread Kelwyn

www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/chi-tc-tvcolumn-v-1102-1103nov03,0,7062976.story

chicagotribune.com

'V' aims at Obamamania

By Glenn Garvin

McClatchy/Tribune News

November 3, 2009


Imagine this. At a time of political turmoil, a charismatic, telegenic new 
leader arrives virtually out of nowhere. He offers a message of hope and 
reconciliation based on compromise and promises to marshal technology for a 
better future that will include universal health care.

The news media swoons in admiration -- one simpering anchorman even shouts at a 
reporter who asks a tough question: "Why don't you show some respect?!" The 
public is likewise smitten, except for a few nut cases who circulate batty 
rumors on the Internet about the leader's origins and intentions. The leader, 
undismayed, offers assurances that are soothing, if also just a tiny bit 
condescending: "Embracing change is never easy."

So, does that sound like anyone you know? Oh, wait -- did I mention the leader 
is secretly a totalitarian space lizard who's come here to eat us?

Welcome to ABC's "V," the most fascinating and bound to be the most 
controversial new show of the fall television season. Nominally a rousing 
sci-fi space opera about alien invaders bent on the conquest (and digestion) of 
all humanity, it's also a barbed commentary on Obamamania that will infuriate 
the president's supporters and delight his detractors.

"We're all so quick to jump on the bandwagon," observes one character. "A ride 
on the bandwagon, it sounds like fun. But before we get on, let us at least 
make sure it is sturdy."

The bandwagon in this case is conspicuously saucer-shaped. "V" starts with the 
arrival of a couple of dozen ships from outer space, piloted by creatures who 
look like humans except a lot prettier. "Don't be frightened," says their 
luminously beautiful leader Anna (Morena Baccarin, "Serenity"). "We mean no 
harm."

The aliens -- who become known as V's, for visitors -- quickly enthrall their 
wide-eyed human hosts.

A handful of dissidents hold out against the rapturous reception given the V's. 
Some are simply uneasy, such as the youthful priest Father Jack (Joel Gretsch, 
"The 4400"), who sharply criticizes the Vatican's embrace of the V's as divine 
creations: "Rattlesnakes are God's creatures too."

With or without the political sheen, "V" is sweeping television storytelling at 
its best. Whether you choose to view it as a blood-and-guts war story, a spy 
thriller (unlike the original show, these V's are perfect replicas of humans, 
so you never really know who might be sitting beside you at the bar), a 
high-stakes family drama (as households divide over the intentions of the V's), 
a religious allegory (the V's make a crippled man walk, filling up churches 
again) or just a sci-fi throwback to the days of "Earth vs. the Flying Saucers" 
and "The Thing," "V" is irresistible. This bandwagon is definitely worth 
jumping on.

'V'

Re: [scifinoir2] EW review of V

2009-11-04 Thread George Arterberry

I would think the "Visitors" would appear to speak in the mother tongue of 
their audience.

The show to be honest was very boring and predictable.





From: Omari Confer 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, November 3, 2009 11:53:27 PM
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] EW review of V

  
That is an interesting question. I think African looking aliens would cause a 
stir. Half of the world would think black folks are aliens and the other half 
will realize that we might be related to aliens.

but in all seriousness. ...

If I wanted to enslave the human race I would make sure I was a hot European 
Brunette (blonde is too obvious).

Kill them all.and thanks for all the fish...
c w m


On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:19 PM, Mr. Worf  wrote:

  
>My question is would you be accepting of them if they were a different race 
>other than white? What if they looked Asian or Middle Eastern? Or heaven help 
>us, of African decent? Would they be as trusting? 
>
>
>On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 7:02 PM, Kelwyn  wrote:
>
>The first paragraph of Entertainment Weekly's review of "V":
>>
>>A shrewd take on both sci-fi and the media, V is an excellently acted 
>>what-if-aliens- landed show, a savvy updating of the 1983 cult miniseries.  
>>The premise is irresistible: What if the aliens looked hot and promised 
>>friendship and advanced technology, but were secretly planning to exterminate 
>>everyone on Earth?  That would put the planet in  a bit of a pickle, wouldn't 
>>it?  I mean, yes, extermination = bad, but hot, disease - curing aliens...you 
>>might take your chances, right?
>>
>>
>>
>> - - -- 
>>
>>
>>Post your SciFiNoir Profile at
>>http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /app/peoplemap2/ entry/add? 
>>fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>   http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>-- 
>Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years! 
>Mahogany at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/mahogany_ pleasures_ of_darkness/
>


-- 
clockworkman blog
http://centralheati ngblog.blogspot. com
STRING THEORY 
http://stringtheory .podbean. com
Netflix Friends
http://www.netflix. com/BeMyFriend/ P5Vr384ukvNnY78x UJOT

Re: [scifinoir2] V- New Series - Ranting Review... No Real Spoilers...Sort of.



[ Minor spoilers] 



Well said, I completely agree. I was curiously underwhelmed. I started out 
wondering "Why is this a series instead of a 'mini series'?" I think this being 
done as a multi-night miniseries would make it more interesting. Trying to 
follow "V" as a series, means it'll probably fail just as the "V" original 
series did. That's of course assuming it is a real series: did I read that it's 
been shot as a self-contained arc that could have been aired as a miniseries, 
but ABC is now airing it episodically? either way, not a good move. 



But to your points, I too was struck by how quickly this thing moved. In less 
than an hour we have a full fledged Resistance, justified by the new angle that 
"the V's have already been here for years". That's a plausible storyline, but I 
prefer the one where they just showed up out of nowhere and started doing their 
thing. We find out about V spies amongst us, we already know about V traitors 
who don't agree with their race's plans, and the battle's joined. The FBI 
agent' son is already an indoctrinated brown shirt for the Visitors. (And by 
the way, the kid irritated the hell out of me. When he stated backtalking his 
mom--who stayed while her husband left--I wished she'd slugged him one!)  i got 
whiplash, and I was sorely disappointed that the writers chose to dumb down a 
script that should have built slowly. Were they trying to go for the younger 
demographic that they feel is less patient nowadays? An injustice for everyone 
if so. I remember the slow reveal of V, and the shock of the famous scene when 
their repast revealed their true nature. I remember the show where an old 
Holocaust survivor shows kids how to tag "V" for "Victory" and make it mean 
something. Half the power of the original was shot onto screen last night. 



Your point about production values, acting, etc. being better is well taken. 
But as I said the other day in discussing remakes, those are surface things. If 
the remake doesn't improve upon/update some underlying messages and issues in a 
compelling way, what's the point? This "V"is prettier, but the rush to get to 
the action and the reveal is spoiling it for me. I'm not sure the writers 
understand the power of suspense. Now *maybe* this will build slowly over the 
next few weeks as the human race learns to their horror what they've embraced. 
Kenneth Johnson's name on the credits gives me hope. But i'm very doubtful... 



By the way, do you like the new leader? I love Morena Baccarin. Her understated 
nature works for this subdued, seductive, smiling High Commander. But for some 
reason i prefered the pretty-but-fierce Diana from the original. She was always 
slightly impatient acting, always one moment away from being pissed off or 
exploding. Perhaps Baccarin's beatific mien better fits as a way to lull the 
populace into a false sense of security. And maybe it's my background that 
makes me distrust someone who's too calm and happy all the time. As Kor said in 
the OS ep "Errand of Mercy", "I don't trust people who smile too much". 



Diana would have made me cautious and suspicious, the new leader makes me 
downright uncomfortable and apprehensive. And that comment about "evolving our 
minds to eliminate negative thoughts and emotions"? My first damn thought would 
have been, "ah hell naw--they're gonna try to brainwash the whole damn planet 
into mindless happy-faced drones!" 



I think the story of "V" needs to be told from the point of view of the Black 
community! Like the comics always say, we'd be all over this stuff in a hot 
minute! 



 :) 


- Original Message - 
From: "sincere1906"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2009 9:13:18 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] V- New Series - Ranting Review... No Real Spoilers...Sort 
of. 

  




My fan-based take on the new series? "Eh." 

I sat and watched the original V this past weekend. Cheesey, wackest special 
effects, *HORRIBLE* acting, plots and scenes to make you laugh...can't believe 
as a kid I thought it was about the best series ever. I think in the post 
X-Files, DS9, LOST, etc. world, we expect much more from a tv series than we 
got in the early 80s. 

Yet, while this new series certainly beats the original in acting, special 
effects, and the like, it could have learned something about the art of 
storytelling from its predecessor. Aliens show up on Earth, and after a brief 
few minutes of shock its just normalized. Everyone is on board with it...some 
to the point of devotion and worship. Unlike the original, there aren't hosts 
of scientists openly questioning how that kind of parallel evolution can be 
possible. Not much in the way of scientists at all. Perhaps its because the 
star of this remake is an FBI agent, who amazingly keeps up her normal 
anti-terror routine with friggin ALIENS on the planet, rather than a journalist 
and a medical scientists in the original. There are p

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo?



But the point of alternate realities is that there are an infinite number of 
them "next" to ours where those events happened virtually identically. If the 
idea of those realities already existing since Creation, then going down the 
same road as ours for eons bothers you, try the alternate concept. That is, 
that alternate realities are literally created every time one of those events 
you mentioned could go another way. So perhaps we started with a Prime Reality, 
then as soon as probability came into play, alternate realities started 
splitting off for each event that had more than one possible outcome. 

So, there are realities where the whole universe is a liquid made of 
anti-matter, and you and I never existed. But there are realities where you and 
I did exist but slightly different. Perhaps I'm the president in reality 30002, 
perhaps you're a famous writer in reality 5544. The existence of those 
realities that are similar to ours isn't precluded by your valid point that 
there must be realities completely different from ours, where you and I don't 
exist. 


- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2009 1:58:32 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo? 

  




I agree. That is kind of what I was thinking about when I replied. The 
existence of life on this planet, and how humans evolved, etc. all contributed 
to you being here right now. Not to mention the random events that may have 
happened in your life to make you who you are. 


On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:51 PM, Omari Confer < clockwork...@gmail.com > wrote: 


You all assume that there would be an alternate you. The percentages of genetic 
material traded during conception is a random concept. This supposed theme 
assumes we as persnalities would be intact. We assume too much I think... 

c w m 
- 



Keith Johnson< keithbjohn...@comcast.net > wrote: 

I think the idea is that if you venture too far from the basic pattern--the 
species, etc.--it's no longer "you". After all, the idea is parallel 
universes--alternate realities. So, you could, in some universe, be a gay 
cowboy running dilithium ore on a space barge, but the genetic makeup would 
still be "you". If you were, say, a giant crab creature, it wouldn't be you, 
it'd be someone else. The idea here is that the physical and mental selves are 
just variations on a basic theme. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf" < hellomahog...@gmail.com > 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 11:16:45 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo? 






Exactly! There could be so many other alternate versions. Would they still be 
"you??" What if he went to an alternate universe and he was his anti-matter 
self? Or instead of humans evolving from something similar to apes, we were 
evolved from caterpillars or wolves? 


On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 






I don't think every reality's Law was a skilled martial artist, just the one 
with the good cop and the bad cop. The convict Law (the one who was killed 
during a transfer) simply kicked in the bars of a cell because he was supper 
strong. 
As for your alternate selves being radically different from you, that's an 
interesting point. Is part of that alternate reality a being that is similar to 
you, e.g., a carbon-based, bipedal humanoid in all cases? Would a mutipedal 
insectoid with a carapace still be you? 


- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf" < hellomahog...@gmail.com > 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 



Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 9:45:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo? 






I had problems with the idea of "the One." Every universe won't have the same 
guy with the same martial art skills etc. on that planet. There are so many 
variables that the variables themselves would be infinite as well. For example 
there could be a planet that has a look alike that is stronger and faster. 


On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 






Was Seraph the messenger dude who fought Neo "so he could really know him"? Not 
the biggest lost. 

"The One" is one of my fav scifi movies of recent years. It's not the greatest, 
by any means, but it's fun, has some good action, and enough intelligently 
written scifi to make it engaging. I have a couple of quibbles with it, notably 
the concept that the number of parallel universes would be finite, in the low 
hundreds. Realistically the multiverse would be infinite, so Law would never be 
able to kill all of his alternate selves. But that's a minor point. It's one of 
those scifi movies you can sit down and watch at any time and enjoy it. But, 
given that the movie was written by Glenn Morgan

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo?



Well, the point behind alternate universes is that they differ from ours in 
small ways for those "closer" to ours, so that there are many you's in them.  I 
see your point, but this is more along the lines of the alternate worlds having 
the same starting point, then going down different paths, but those paths keep 
splitting off infinitely along the way . So, there's a parallel universe next 
to ours where both universes went the same way for eons, but (to use the 
typical example ) Abe Lincoln wasn't killed. Up until then, both universes 
would be pretty much identical: same people, same history. Now, in that 
Lincoln-lived world, it's possible that you and I still exist, made up of the 
same genetic material as in our world, but are different people in some ways 
due to a different history. 



Of course there are also universes, to your point, where factors of evolution 
and history are so different you and i never existed in those worlds. But that 
doesnt' meant there don't exist universes where we do exist. I see it as a huge 
broad spectrum, with an infinitude of universes: some very similar, some 
radically different. Indeed, one way this is often thought of is that there was 
a "prime" reality after Creation (whatever that is), and then other realities 
started splitting off as soon as any choices in history are approached. For 
every event where the Universe could turn right, an alternate reality is 
immediately spawned where the Universe turned left instead. That again would 
suggest an ever-increasing infinitude of new realities, literally popping into 
existence non stop. 




- Original Message - 
From: "Omari Confer"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2009 1:51:06 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo? 

  




You all assume that there would be an alternate you. The percentages of genetic 
material traded during conception is a random concept. This supposed theme 
assumes we as persnalities would be intact. We assume too much I think... 

c w m 
- 
Keith Johnson< keithbjohn...@comcast.net > wrote: 

I think the idea is that if you venture too far from the basic pattern--the 
species, etc.--it's no longer "you". After all, the idea is parallel 
universes--alternate realities. So, you could, in some universe, be a gay 
cowboy running dilithium ore on a space barge, but the genetic makeup would 
still be "you". If you were, say, a giant crab creature, it wouldn't be you, 
it'd be someone else. The idea here is that the physical and mental selves are 
just variations on a basic theme. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf" < hellomahog...@gmail.com > 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 11:16:45 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo? 

Exactly! There could be so many other alternate versions. Would they still be 
"you??" What if he went to an alternate universe and he was his anti-matter 
self? Or instead of humans evolving from something similar to apes, we were 
evolved from caterpillars or wolves? 

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 

I don't think every reality's Law was a skilled martial artist, just the one 
with the good cop and the bad cop. The convict Law (the one who was killed 
during a transfer) simply kicked in the bars of a cell because he was supper 
strong. 
As for your alternate selves being radically different from you, that's an 
interesting point. Is part of that alternate reality a being that is similar to 
you, e.g., a carbon-based, bipedal humanoid in all cases? Would a mutipedal 
insectoid with a carapace still be you? 

- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf" < hellomahog...@gmail.com > 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 9:45:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo? 

I had problems with the idea of "the One." Every universe won't have the same 
guy with the same martial art skills etc. on that planet. There are so many 
variables that the variables themselves would be infinite as well. For example 
there could be a planet that has a look alike that is stronger and faster. 

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 

Was Seraph the messenger dude who fought Neo "so he could really know him"? Not 
the biggest lost. 

"The One" is one of my fav scifi movies of recent years. It's not the greatest, 
by any means, but it's fun, has some good action, and enough intelligently 
written scifi to make it engaging. I have a couple of quibbles with it, notably 
the concept that the number of parallel universes would be finite, in the low 
hundreds. Realistically the multiverse would be infinite, so Law would never be 
able to kill all of his alternate selves. But that's a minor p

[scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo?

2009-11-04 Thread B Smith

Unfortunately it's a pretty common scifi trope. Maybe a Yu Law existing was 
like one the fixed points in time in the Doctor Whoverse. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>
> I agree. That is kind of what I was thinking about when I replied. The
> existence of life on this planet, and how humans evolved, etc. all
> contributed to you being here right now. Not to mention the random events
> that may have happened in your life to make you who you are.
> 
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:51 PM, Omari Confer wrote:
> 
> > You all assume that there would be an alternate you. The percentages of
> > genetic material traded during conception is a random concept. This supposed
> > theme assumes we as persnalities would be intact. We assume too much I
> > think...
> >
> > c w m
> > -
> > Keith Johnson wrote:
> >
> > I think the idea is that if you venture too far from the basic pattern--the
> > species, etc.--it's no longer "you". After all, the idea is parallel
> > universes--alternate realities. So, you could, in some universe, be a gay
> > cowboy running dilithium ore on a space barge, but the genetic makeup would
> > still be "you". If you were, say, a giant crab creature, it wouldn't be you,
> > it'd be someone else. The idea here is that the physical and mental selves
> > are just variations on a basic theme.
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Mr. Worf" 
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 11:16:45 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Exactly! There could be so many other alternate versions. Would they still
> > be "you??" What if he went to an alternate universe and he was his
> > anti-matter self? Or instead of humans evolving from something similar to
> > apes, we were evolved from caterpillars or wolves?
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I don't think every reality's Law was a skilled martial artist, just the
> > one with the good cop and the bad cop. The convict Law (the one who was
> > killed during a transfer) simply kicked in the bars of a cell because he was
> > supper strong.
> > As for your alternate selves being radically different from you, that's an
> > interesting point. Is part of that alternate reality a being that is similar
> > to you, e.g., a carbon-based, bipedal humanoid in all cases? Would a
> > mutipedal insectoid with a carapace still be you?
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Mr. Worf" < hellomahog...@... >
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 9:45:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I had problems with the idea of "the One." Every universe won't have the
> > same guy with the same martial art skills etc. on that planet. There are so
> > many variables that the variables themselves would be infinite as well. For
> > example there could be a planet that has a look alike that is stronger and
> > faster.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Was Seraph the messenger dude who fought Neo "so he could really know him"?
> > Not the biggest lost.
> >
> > "The One" is one of my fav scifi movies of recent years. It's not the
> > greatest, by any means, but it's fun, has some good action, and enough
> > intelligently written scifi to make it engaging. I have a couple of quibbles
> > with it, notably the concept that the number of parallel universes would be
> > finite, in the low hundreds. Realistically the multiverse would be infinite,
> > so Law would never be able to kill all of his alternate selves. But that's a
> > minor point. It's one of those scifi movies you can sit down and watch at
> > any time and enjoy it. But, given that the movie was written by Glenn Morgan
> > and James Wong--who worked on The X-Files, Millennium, Space: Above and
> > Beyond, among others--that's no surprise.
> > It's the kind of fun scifi we don't get enough of nowadays.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "B Smith" < daikaij...@... >
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 3:41:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Supposedly Will was their Neo and Val Kilmer was Morpheus. Both ended up
> > bowing out of the film.
> >
> > I think Jet Li turned down the role of Seraph to do The One. I also read
> > that he was concerned that the amount of time needed to film both sequels
> > would cause other conflicts.
> >
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , "Tracey de Morsella" 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey Rave:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > IÃ¢â¬â¢m pretty sure Will Smith turned it down, just like

[scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo?

2009-11-04 Thread B Smith

They weren't all exactly the same. The last Yu Law that was killed by Yu Law 
Prime (heh) was a extremely dangerous hardened criminal on his world but Good 
Yu Law was fairly milquetoast until he tapped into his powers. They only 
offered a few glimpses of other Yu Laws but they all appeared to be a bit 
different.

I imagine seeing a duplicate of yourself would be enough to throw most folks 
for a loop and it gave Yu Law Prime time to strike. He also wasn't bound by any 
honor code. He killed the other Yu Law with a gun from a distance and he only 
went heads up with the final Yu Law when it suited him. 


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>
> I had problems with the idea of "the One." Every universe won't have the
> same guy with the same martial art skills etc. on that planet. There are so
> many variables that the variables themselves would be infinite as well. For
> example there could be a planet that has a look alike that is stronger and
> faster.
> 
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > Was Seraph the messenger dude who fought Neo "so he could really know him"?
> > Not the biggest lost.
> >
> > "The One" is one of my fav scifi movies of recent years. It's not the
> > greatest, by any means, but it's fun, has some good action, and enough
> > intelligently written scifi to make it engaging. I have a couple of quibbles
> > with it, notably the concept that the number of parallel universes would be
> > finite, in the low hundreds. Realistically the multiverse would be infinite,
> > so Law would never be able to kill all of his alternate selves. But that's a
> > minor point. It's one of those scifi movies you can sit down and watch at
> > any time and enjoy it. But, given that the movie was written by Glenn Morgan
> > and James Wong--who worked on The X-Files, Millennium, Space: Above and
> > Beyond, among others--that's no surprise.
> > It's the kind of fun scifi we don't get enough of nowadays.
> >
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "B Smith" 
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 3:41:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo?
> >
> >
> >
> > Supposedly Will was their Neo and Val Kilmer was Morpheus. Both ended up
> > bowing out of the film.
> >
> > I think Jet Li turned down the role of Seraph to do The One. I also read
> > that he was concerned that the amount of time needed to film both sequels
> > would cause other conflicts.
> >
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , "Tracey
> > de Morsella"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey Rave:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > IÃ¢â¬â¢m pretty sure Will Smith turned it down, just like Jet Li turned 
> > > down
> > a part in it. They wanted Smith first. At least that is how I remember Smith
> > and Jada telling it in interviews.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com  [mailto:
> > scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of
> > Mr. Worf
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 11:36 AM
> > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > At the time the Wochowski brothers were not well known and this was their
> > first big film. But I think if things were different it would have been
> > incredible. Aliah, Will Smith? Wow.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 6:04 AM, Augustus Augustus 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > but Rave, i thought the Will turned down Matrix because he was about 2 do
> > Wild Wild West? at least that is what he said when they interviewed him a
> > few years ago. he said that when the brothers tried 2 pitch him the role, he
> > was kind of up in the air about it, so he chose 2 do WWW because of the
> > director - whom had directed him in MIB - sodeberg (sp)
> > >
> > > Fate.
> > > p.s. on another tip, i would have loved 2 see col. war (my diff'rent
> > world reference) as han solo.
> > >
> > > --- On Tue, 11/3/09, Kelwyn  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Kelwyn 
> > > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Glen Turman original Han Solo?
> > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 6:59 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Serendipity is everything (like the makers of "The Matrix" choosing Keanu
> > Reeves over Will Smith) but can you imagine finding out (thirty years after
> > the fact) that you ALMOST had the signature role in the most lucrative movie
> > franchise of all time?
> > >
> > > ~(no)rave!
> > >
> > > --- In scifino...@yahoogro <
> > http://mc/compose?to=scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com, "Mr. Worf"
> >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The movie would have been completely different. I think I would have
> > loved
> > > > it even more! :) I was really missing people of color in the film, and
> > > > having one as a main character would have really made me smile as a
> > kid.
> > > > Maybe in one of those alternate universes there are all of the movies
> > with
> > > > alternate cast

[scifinoir2] V- New Series - Ranting Review... No Real Spoilers...Sort of.

My fan-based take on the new series? "Eh." 

I sat and watched the original V this past weekend. Cheesey, wackest special 
effects, *HORRIBLE* acting, plots and scenes to make you laugh...can't believe 
as a kid I thought it was about the best series ever. I think in the post 
X-Files, DS9, LOST, etc. world, we expect much more from a tv series than we 
got in the early 80s. 

Yet, while this new series certainly beats the original in acting, special 
effects, and the like, it could have learned something about the art of 
storytelling from its predecessor. Aliens show up on Earth, and after a brief 
few minutes of shock its just normalized. Everyone is on board with it...some 
to the point of devotion and worship. Unlike the original, there aren't hosts 
of scientists openly questioning how that kind of parallel evolution can be 
possible. Not much in the way of scientists at all. Perhaps its because the 
star of this remake is an FBI agent, who amazingly keeps up her normal 
anti-terror routine with friggin ALIENS on the planet, rather than a journalist 
and a medical scientists in the original. There are protests erupting around 
the globe--but heck if the show bothers to tell you *why.* Some people become 
distrustful of the Visitors, but they don't give much of a reason either. In 
fact, they seemed openly hostile and distrustful from day one. It seems like 
the aliens arrived on Earth and within days they are entrenched in our 
society---alot of people like them, some don't. And before you know it, there's 
gonna be an opposition movement. How that happened and why, I'm not even 
certain. It's like I blinked and bam, there I was. 30 minutes into the new 
series, and I was wondering if I missed an episode already. The first V might 
have been cheesey as hell (and at times god-awful), but I at least had time to 
process the aliens arrival and get a realistic vision of how some peoples 
initial optimism turns to distrust after they begin to find numerous faults 
with the aliens. This remake seemed to decide to do my thinking for me.

I'll tune in next week...my DVR will make sure of that. But so far, I'm rather 
under-whelmed.

MHO, of course.

Sin aka BG

[scifinoir2] The New V Series Is Not About ObamaIt's Just About Alien Iguanas

(but it sure has some wierd anti-Obama analogies...)

Guess Who's Coming To Eat Us for Dinner
The classic '80s series V gets a post-9/11 update.

By Troy Patterson
Updated Tuesday, Nov. 3, 2009

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/03/AR2009110304333.html?hpid=topnews

V (ABC, Tuesdays at 8 p.m. ET), a show about killer iguanas from outer space,
reworks the '80s science-fiction smash of the same name. In its first
incarnation, V was pulp with a seriousness of purpose. It quickly emerged that
the space lizards, handsome in their human disguises, wanted to take our water
and then use it to wash us tasty earthlings down. They were allegorical German
fascists and quite effective as such. Despite being the sort of entertainment
in which a fox swallows a guinea pig, the original V was a tale of resistance
more potent than two out of three Oscar-season Nazi films.

The new V, duller stuff, opens in New York City, in our recessionary America.
The pretty mouth of newscaster Chad Decker announces that foreclosures are on
the rise and housing prices continue to fall. The pretty head of single-mom FBI
agent Erica Evans rests blondly on her sunlit pillow, soon to fill with anguish
because her teenage son has been out all night. Rugged young Catholic priest
Jack Landry despairs that his pews are empty. Then the iguana spacecraftone of
29 descending on tourist locales across the globearrives with a rumble that is
literally iconoclastic, toppling a crucifix in Jack's church. The clergyman
begins sharpening his action-scene skills by rescuing a parishioner from a
swan-diving Jesus.

The lizard buggy entering the airspace above Manhattan looks like a blue-crab
version of a classic flying saucer. It hovers, and its underside transforms
into a video monitor. The screen fills with the ravishing face of Anna, the
iguana boss lady, who wears her hair in a Natalie Portman pixie cut and glows
like a Lancôme model. She's upfront about having come here in search of water,
her tone roughly that of a neighbor dropping in to borrow a half-cup of milk.
She wraps up her debut performance by saying, "We are at peace, always."
Inanely, the people of New York applaud this statement like tourists begging a
second curtain call at The Lion King.

Anna makes for the U.N., a visit that cannot possibly disrupt Midtown traffic
more severely than an actual meeting of the General Assembly. Here, unctuous
Decker tosses her an ass-kissy question, earning a lust-tinged gaze and also an
exclusive interview. Just before their chat gets under way, she instructs him
to keep playing softball: "Don't ask any questions that would portray us
negatively." He balks. She keeps up her seduction: "This interview would
elevate your career, wouldn't it, Mr. Decker?" Though we don't hear much of
what Anna has to say"I can see Alpha Centauri from my house"?the Anna-Chad
relationship emerges as the most fertile thread of the story. It is one of the
few points at which V makes a necessary connection with the real world,
proposing that media bias is a matter less of ideology than of careerism.

Where Chad shelves his doubts about the dragon lady, the other lead earthlings
swiftly join an opposition movement, connecting with the scant few humans
unimpressed by the aliens' good looks and smooth talk. Erica, between generic
moments with her son, links the "Visitors" with terrestrial terrorists. Amid
insipid patter with his girlfriend about commitment, a businessman named Ryan
reluctantly pledges himself to fight the good fight. The skepticism of the
priest proves faintly more intriguing than these bland scenarios. "I'm at a
loss to understand how God and aliens exist in the same world," says Father
Jack, soon seen busting the heads of false idols.

More than a few journalists and bloggers have remarked that it's possible to
read V as an allegory hostile to President Obama and sympathetic with the
birthers and other nutcases who believe him to be a wolf in sheep's clothing.
The charismatic Visitors load up their "bandwagon" by "spreading hope." In
using their sophisticated iguana technology to provide free medical services,
they promise "universal health care." Indeed, if the show is to have the
symbolic import that we expect from a science-fiction story, this is the only
possible way to read V as a coherent text. The only problem with this analysis
lies in its generous presupposition that the text is, in fact, coherent.

Pressed about the politics of V at a press conference, executive producer Scott
Peters maintained, "We are not looking to put any sort of agenda onto the
table," while also holding that the show would introduce "themes that would
make sense in a post-9/11 world." But these aliens hardly work as stand-ins for
Islamofascist terrorists, a group not generally associated with friendly
overtures or broad public

Re: [scifinoir2] the weirdest musical ever!

2009-11-04 Thread Justin Mohareb


Still not as strange as Toxic Avenger: the Musical.

I've seen ED:tM twice so far. If you get to go, make sure you sit in  
the splash zone.


Justin

On 2009-11-04, at 6:51 AM, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:



http://vancouver.evildeadthemusical.com/

I think its time that we had a sit down talk with Canada...

[scifinoir2] the weirdest musical ever!

http://vancouver.evildeadthemusical.com/

I think its time that we had a sit down talk with Canada...

[scifinoir2] video: Escape from City-17

Looks great. I think that they are using the Half-life video game engine
from Valve to make the graphics.

http://www.purchasebrothers.com/Purchase-Brothers-v2-hl.html

[scifinoir2] video game stores in Akihabara Japan