Re: [scifinoir2] Dollhouse' axed

[Keith Johnson]

Interesting points you make, but I have one quibble: If you live in Austin, 
you're *not* a Southerner, you're a *Texan*!! Trust me, after growing up in 
Texas, and living in Atlanta for two decades, I can tell you the differences 
are many, former Confederate membership aside. 

I confound people here all the time when they say I'm from the South, and I 
say, "No, I'm not from the South, I'm from Texas". 
"Well, it has to be the South, 'cause Texas isn't really the Southwest like 
Arizona and New Mexico" is often the smart retort. 
"That's right", I drawl, "I'm not a true Southerner, and I'm not a true 
Southwesterner--I'm a Texan". 

And that says it all... 

- Original Message - 
From: "Bosco Bosco"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 10:30:40 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Dollhouse' axed 






Obviously there is a relationship between ratings and success. Even an dopey 
southern, half wit like me can figure that much out. On the other hand, If your 
network goes out of it's way to ruin your ratings before your show is even on 
the air, you have to place the blame where the blame is due. 

In this case, the network is the problem. To be less than polite, Fox is 
totally fucking retarded. There's a bar here in Austin where the patrons play 
bingo with live chickens. The player who's chicken shits in the appropriate 
places first wins. The idiots at Fox could make their programming decisions 
with the chickenshit bingo method and it would be exponentially better than the 
first full drool cup method they currently use. Worst network in the history of 
television ever. 

Bosco 

--- On Thu, 11/12/09, bruce harden  wrote: 



From: bruce harden  
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Dollhouse' axed 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 4:06 PM 





DONT BLAME THE NET WORK IF YOU DONT WATCH YOU DONT GET RATINGS .PERIOD.AND 
people dont want to seem to want to be challenged when those plain jkane shows 
csi navy spin offs are winning there time slots . Me ,I would like to see those 
dvr numbers because from what i can tell the genre stuff does well on ater time 


On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Bosco Bosco < ironpi...@yahoo. com > wrote: 









and we succumb to the inevitable. I hope he never works with them 
again. 

Bosco 

--- On Wed, 11/11/09, Tracey de Morsella < tdli...@multicultur aladvantage. com 
> wrote: 



From: Tracey de Morsella < tdli...@multicultur aladvantage. com > 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Dollhouse' axed 
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 8:09 PM 






This just in: 'Dollhouse' axed 




This has been a busy week for cancellations. The latest addition to the TV 
graveyard: Dollhouse . 

According to multiple insiders, Fox has informed Joss Whedon that it will not 
be ordering additional installments of his low-rated drama beyond the current 
13-episode order. On the bright side, the network still plans to burn off the 
remaining unaired episodes beginning in December. Hey, it’s something. 

Dollhouse has been averaging a mere 3 million viewers this season. Last season 
— when fan support, together with significant budget cuts, helped it to get an 
odds-defying second-year pickup — the show averaged 4.7 million. 

Bottom line: Dollhouse is lucky it ever saw a second season. Remember that when 
you’re posting your eulogies below. 

UPDATE: Whedon just posted the following statement on Whedonesque. com : “I 
don’t have a lot to say. I’m extremely proud of the people I’ve worked with: my 
star, my staff, my cast, my crew. I feel the show is getting better pretty much 
every week, and I think you’ll agree in the coming months. I’m grateful that we 
got to put it on, and then come back and put it on again. I’m off to pursue 
Internet ventures/binge drinking. Possibly that relaxation thing I’ve read so 
much about. By the time the last episode airs, you’ll know what my next project 
is. But for now, there’s a lot of work still to be done, and disappointment to 
bear. Thank you all for your support, your patience, your excellent adverts. 
See you again.” 



Tracey de Morsella, Managing Producer 

The Green Economy Post 

http://greeneconomy post.com 

tra...@greeneconomy post.com 

Re: [scifinoir2] Pam Grier lands "Smallville" role

[Keith Johnson]

true! 
- Original Message - 
From: "Martin Baxter"  
To: "SciFiNoir2"  
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 6:38:55 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Pam Grier lands "Smallville" role 






I know, Keith, but since, as you said, they're clearly running "Smallville" as 
an AU version of Superman, why not recast the right way? ;-) 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net 
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:28:34 + 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Pam Grier lands "Smallville" role 






Grier is built *nothing* like Waller! They need somebody like the fat Michael 
Clarke Duncan! 

- Original Message - 
From: "Martin Baxter"  
To: "SciFiNoir2"  
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:16:01 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Pam Grier lands "Smallville" role 




Hot and evil... now that's what I'm talkin' about! 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 






To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
From: ravena...@yahoo.com 
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:57:39 + 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Pam Grier lands "Smallville" role 




http://aikairi.notlong.com 

LOS ANGELES, Nov. 9 (UPI) -- U.S. actress Pam Grier has signed on to play evil 
Agent Amanda Waller on TV's "Smallville," sources told TVGuide.com. 

Grier, 60, was most recently a cast member on the Showtime series "The L Word." 

Her film credits include "Jackie Brown," "Escape from L.A.," "Foxy Brown," 
"Fort Apache the Bronx" and "Something Wicked This Way Comes." 

TVGuide.com said the actress is expected to appear in multiple episodes of 
"Smallville," starting in January. 





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Re: [scifinoir2] Dollhouse' axed

[Mr. Worf]

I just read syfy channel will not pick it up on twitter.

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Bosco Bosco  wrote:

>
>
> Obviously there is a relationship between ratings and success. Even an
> dopey southern, half wit like me can figure that much out. On the other
> hand, If your network goes out of it's way to ruin your ratings before your
> show is even on the air, you have to place the blame where the blame is due.
>
> In this case, the network is the problem. To be less than polite, Fox is
> totally fucking retarded. There's a bar here in Austin where the patrons
> play bingo with live chickens. The player who's chicken shits in the
> appropriate places first wins. The idiots at Fox could make their
> programming decisions with the chickenshit bingo method and it would be
> exponentially better than the first full drool cup method they currently
> use.  Worst network in the history of television ever.
>
> Bosco
>
> --- On *Thu, 11/12/09, bruce harden * wrote:
>
>
> From: bruce harden 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Dollhouse' axed
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 4:06 PM
>
>
>
> DONT BLAME THE NET WORK  IF YOU DONT  WATCH YOU DONT GET RATINGS
> .PERIOD.AND people dont want to seem to want to be challenged when those
> plain jkane shows csi navy spin offs are winning  there time slots . Me ,I
> would like to see those dvr numbers because from what i can tell the genre
> stuff does well on  ater time
>
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Bosco Bosco  com
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>   and we succumb to the inevitable. I hope he never works with them
>> again.
>>
>> Bosco
>>
>> --- On *Wed, 11/11/09, Tracey de Morsella > aladvantage. com
>> >* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Tracey de Morsella > com
>> >
>> Subject: [scifinoir2] Dollhouse' axed
>> To: scifino...@yahoogro 
>> ups.com
>> Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 8:09 PM
>>
>>
>>
>>  This just in: 'Dollhouse' 
>> axed
>>
>>
>>
>> This has been a busy week for cancellations. The latest addition to the TV
>> graveyard: *Dollhouse*.
>>
>> According to multiple insiders, Fox has informed Joss Whedon that it will
>> not be ordering additional installments of his low-rated drama beyond the
>> current 13-episode order. On the bright side, the network still plans to burn
>> off the remaining unaired 
>> episodesbeginning
>>  in December. Hey, it’s something.
>>
>> *Dollhouse* has been averaging a mere 3 million viewers this season. Last
>> season — when fan support, together with significant budget cuts, helped it
>> to get an odds-defying second-year pickup — the show averaged 4.7 million.
>>
>> Bottom line: *Dollhouse* is lucky it ever saw a second season. Remember
>> that when you’re posting your eulogies below.
>>
>> *UPDATE: *Whedon just posted the following statement on Whedonesque. 
>> com:
>> “I don’t have a lot to say. I’m extremely proud of the people I’ve worked
>> with: my star, my staff, my cast, my crew. I feel the show is getting better
>> pretty much every week, and I think you’ll agree in the coming months. I’m
>> grateful that we got to put it on, and then come back and put it on again.
>> I’m off to pursue Internet ventures/binge drinking. Possibly that relaxation
>> thing I’ve read so much about. By the time the last episode airs, you’ll
>> know what my next project is. But for now, there’s a lot of work still to be
>> done, and disappointment to bear. Thank you all for your support, your
>> patience, your excellent adverts. See you again.”
>>
>>
>>
>> Tracey de Morsella, Managing Producer
>>
>> The Green Economy Post
>>
>> http://greeneconomy post.com
>>
>> tra...@greeneconomy post.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> 
>



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Re: [scifinoir2] Dollhouse' axed

[Bosco Bosco]

Obviously there is a relationship between ratings and success. Even an dopey 
southern, half wit like me can figure that much out. On the other hand, If your 
network goes out of it's way to ruin your ratings before your show is even on 
the air, you have to place the blame where the blame is due.

In this case, the network is the problem. To be less than polite, Fox
is totally fucking retarded. There's a bar here in Austin where the
patrons play bingo with live chickens. The player who's chicken shits
in the appropriate places first wins. The idiots at Fox could make their
programming decisions with the chickenshit bingo method and it would be
exponentially better than the first full drool cup method they
currently use.  Worst network in the history of television ever.

Bosco

--- On Thu, 11/12/09, bruce harden  wrote:

From: bruce harden 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Dollhouse' axed
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 4:06 PM







 



  



  
  
  DONT BLAME THE NET WORK  IF YOU DONT  WATCH YOU DONT GET RATINGS 
.PERIOD.AND people dont want to seem to want to be challenged when those plain 
jkane shows csi navy spin offs are winning  there time slots . Me ,I would like 
to see those dvr numbers because from what i can tell the genre stuff does well 
on  ater time



On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Bosco Bosco  wrote:


  







and we succumb to the inevitable. I hope he never works with them again.

Bosco

--- On Wed, 11/11/09, Tracey de Morsella  
wrote:



From: Tracey de Morsella 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Dollhouse' axed

To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 8:09 PM


  



This just in: 'Dollhouse' axed
 
This has been a busy week for cancellations. The latest addition to the TV 
graveyard: Dollhouse.
According to multiple insiders, Fox has informed Joss Whedon that it will not 
be ordering additional installments of his low-rated drama beyond the current 
13-episode order. On the bright side, the network still plans to burn off the 
remaining unaired episodes beginning in December. Hey, it’s something.

Dollhouse has been averaging a mere 3 million viewers this season. Last season 
— when fan support, together with significant budget cuts, helped it to get an 
odds-defying second-year pickup — the show averaged 4.7 million.

Bottom line: Dollhouse is lucky it ever saw a second season. Remember that when 
you’re posting your eulogies below.
UPDATE: Whedon just posted the following statement on Whedonesque. com: “I 
don’t have a lot to say. I’m extremely proud of the people I’ve worked with: my 
star, my staff, my cast, my crew. I feel the show is getting better pretty much 
every week, and I think you’ll agree in the coming months. I’m grateful that we 
got to put it on, and then come back and put it on again. I’m off to pursue 
Internet ventures/binge drinking. Possibly that relaxation thing I’ve read so 
much about. By the time the last episode airs, you’ll know what my next project 
is. But for now, there’s a lot of work still to be done, and disappointment to 
bear. Thank you all for your support, your patience, your excellent adverts. 
See you again.”

 
Tracey de Morsella, Managing Producer
The Green Economy Post
http://greeneconomy post.com
tra...@greeneconomy post.com
 






 





 



  






  

[scifinoir2] Re: Hello

[B Smith]

Welcome to the group.

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> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 4:32 AM
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Re: [scifinoir2] Hello

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Hello Shadaneca. welcomed to a great group.
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Dollhouse' axed

[Mr. Worf]

Don't give them any ideas. I think they went with NBC because they own a lot
of other properties. G4, Hulu, Vivendi etc. Its a good choice. Bill Cosby
would have been a billionaire if he had pulled that off in the 80s.

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 3:24 PM, Martin Baxter
wrote:

>
>
> Why doesn't Comcrap buy Fox, and complete the mutual annihilation party?
>
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: daikaij...@yahoo.com
> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:20:03 +
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Dollhouse' axed
>
>
>  The sad thing is whatever replaces it on Friday will probably pull in
> roughly the same ratings.
>
> Leave it to Fox. They'll probably move Fringe to Dollhouse's time slot and
> finish the job they started.
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
> >
> > Wow... I had the feeling that they were going to axe it. Fox always kills
> > shows when they are starting to pick up a loyal audience.
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Tracey de Morsella <
> > tdli...@...> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > This just in: 'Dollhouse' axed<
> http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2009/11/11/this-just-in-dollhouse-axed/>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > This has been a busy week for cancellations. The latest addition to the
> TV
> > > graveyard: *Dollhouse*.
> > >
> > > According to multiple insiders, Fox has informed Joss Whedon that it
> will
> > > not be ordering additional installments of his low-rated drama beyond
> the
> > > current 13-episode order. On the bright side, the network still plans
> to burn
> > > off the remaining unaired episodes<
> http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2009/10/21/exclusive-fox-to-bench-dollhouse-for-sweeps/>beginning
> in December. Hey, it’s something.
> > >
> > > *Dollhouse* has been averaging a mere 3 million viewers this season.
> Last
> > > season â€" when fan support, together with significant budget cuts,
> helped it
> > > to get an odds-defying second-year pickup â€" the show averaged 4.7
> million.
> > >
> > > Bottom line: *Dollhouse* is lucky it ever saw a second season. Remember
> > > that when you’re posting your eulogies below.
> > >
> > > *UPDATE: *Whedon just posted the following statement on
> Whedonesque.com:
> > > “I don’t have a lot to say. I’m extremely proud of the people
> I’ve worked
> > > with: my star, my staff, my cast, my crew. I feel the show is getting
> better
> > > pretty much every week, and I think you’ll agree in the coming
> months. I’m
> > > grateful that we got to put it on, and then come back and put it on
> again.
> > > I’m off to pursue Internet ventures/binge drinking. Possibly that
> relaxation
> > > thing I’ve read so much about. By the time the last episode airs,
> you’ll
> > > know what my next project is. But for now, there’s a lot of work
> still to be
> > > done, and disappointment to bear. Thank you all for your support, your
> > > patience, your excellent adverts. See you again.�
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Tracey de Morsella, Managing Producer
> > >
> > > The Green Economy Post
> > >
> > > http://greeneconomypost.com
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[scifinoir2] Re: 10 underated depictions of the apocalypse

[B Smith]

Maybe Niven and Pournelle should do what F. Paul Wilson did. They were 
releasing new editions of some of his books so he partially rewrote them to 
freshen them up for today's audience. I hate that it takes that sort of thing 
to hook today's reader but sometimes extreme measures need to be taken.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:
>
> 
> B, that's that ageism showing again. Kids who aren't versed enough to 
> contribute fully on the subject trying to do so anyway.
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: daikaij...@...
> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:10:38 +
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: 10 underated depictions of the apocalypse
> 
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>   The Book of Eli should be out early next year.
> 
> 
> 
> Lucifer's Hammer is awesome and should be on the list.
> 
> 
> 
> I have a confession: I don't like Y: The Last Man. It's well written and has 
> a great premise but it never hooked me.
> 
> 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Kelwyn"  wrote:
> 
> >
> 
> > I can't believe I have never read John Wyndham's "The Day of the Triffids" 
> > (#4).  I will have to rectify that situation.
> 
> > 
> 
> > ~rave!
> 
> > 
> 
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
> 
> > >
> 
> > > These are some good choices. They did a remake of the Road and it is 
> > > coming
> 
> > > in a couple of months. I saw the commercial for it already. Hey! What
> 
> > > happened to that Densel Washington movie?
> 
> > > 
> 
> > > Also, I think there is a Day of the Trifids remake due as well.
> 
> > > 
> 
> > > On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Kelwyn  wrote:
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> > > 
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> > > > http://woyita.notlong.com
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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Dollhouse' axed

[Martin Baxter]

Why doesn't Comcrap buy Fox, and complete the mutual annihilation party?

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: daikaij...@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:20:03 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Dollhouse' axed


















 



  



  
  
  The sad thing is whatever replaces it on Friday will probably pull in 
roughly the same ratings. 



Leave it to Fox. They'll probably move Fringe to Dollhouse's time slot and 
finish the job they started.



--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:

>

> Wow... I had the feeling that they were going to axe it. Fox always kills

> shows when they are starting to pick up a loyal audience.

> 

> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Tracey de Morsella <

> tdli...@...> wrote:

> 

> >

> >

> >  This just in: 'Dollhouse' 
> > axed

> >

> >

> >

> > This has been a busy week for cancellations. The latest addition to the TV

> > graveyard: *Dollhouse*.

> >

> > According to multiple insiders, Fox has informed Joss Whedon that it will

> > not be ordering additional installments of his low-rated drama beyond the

> > current 13-episode order. On the bright side, the network still plans to 
> > burn

> > off the remaining unaired 
> > episodesbeginning
> >  in December. Hey, it’s something.

> >

> > *Dollhouse* has been averaging a mere 3 million viewers this season. Last

> > season â€" when fan support, together with significant budget cuts, helped 
> > it

> > to get an odds-defying second-year pickup â€" the show averaged 4.7 million.

> >

> > Bottom line: *Dollhouse* is lucky it ever saw a second season. Remember

> > that when you’re posting your eulogies below.

> >

> > *UPDATE: *Whedon just posted the following statement on 
> > Whedonesque.com:

> > “I don’t have a lot to say. I’m extremely proud of the people I’ve 
> > worked

> > with: my star, my staff, my cast, my crew. I feel the show is getting better

> > pretty much every week, and I think you’ll agree in the coming months. 
> > I’m

> > grateful that we got to put it on, and then come back and put it on again.

> > I’m off to pursue Internet ventures/binge drinking. Possibly that 
> > relaxation

> > thing I’ve read so much about. By the time the last episode airs, you’ll

> > know what my next project is. But for now, there’s a lot of work still to 
> > be

> > done, and disappointment to bear. Thank you all for your support, your

> > patience, your excellent adverts. See you again.�

> >

> >

> >

> > Tracey de Morsella, Managing Producer

> >

> > The Green Economy Post

> >

> > http://greeneconomypost.com

> >

> > tra...@...

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > 

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RE: [scifinoir2] I spy Robert Patrick on 'Chuck' -

[Martin Baxter]

I spy my drool puddling on the carpet at my feet... :-)

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




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I spy Robert Patrick on 'Chuck' – 

http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2009/11/10/exclusive-i-spy-robert-patrick-on-chuck/

 

Fans of Chuck, prepare to be transported to Nerd-vana.


Following the casting of Quantum Leap’s Scott Bakula as Chuck’s
dad, sources confirm to me exclusively that another sci-fi icon has been tapped
for the show. Robert Patrick, a.k.a. the T-1000, is slated to appear midway
through the third season.


But rather than coming from the future, Patrick will play Col. Keller, a
mysterious figure from Casey’s past in “Chuck Versus the Tic
Tac,” which I hear will be a big episode for Adam Baldwin’s
newly-minted colonel.


Sadly for all you Buy More shoppers, there’s still no definitive news
on Chuck’s return date. (Additional reporting by Keith
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[scifinoir2] MPAA shuts down entire town's muni WiFi over a single download

[Mr. Worf]

http://www.boingboing.net/2009/11/12/mpaa-shuts-down-enti.html

The MPAA has successfully shut down *an entire town's* municipal WiFi
because a *single user* was found to be downloading a copyrighted movie.
Rather than being embarrassed by this gross example of collective punishment
(a practice outlawed in the Geneva conventions) against Coshocton, OH, the
MPAA's spokeslizard took the opportunity to cry poor (even though the
studios are bringing in record box-office and aftermarket receipts).

Mike LaVigne, IT director, said the number of people who access the Internet
using the connection varies widely, from perhaps a dozen people a day to 100
during busy times such as First Fridays and the Coshocton Canal Festival.

It's used by Coshocton County Sheriff's deputies who can park in the 300
block and complete a traffic or incident report without leaving their
vehicle. Out-of-town business people can park and use their laptops to make
connections.

During festival times, vendors find it a convenience to check the status of
credit cards being used to make purchases, LaVigne said.

Because it's a single address used by many people, it's difficult to tell
who made the illegal download, although the county plans to investigate the
matter.

full story link here:

Illegal movie download forces shutdown of free
Wi-Fi(
*Thanks, Dan !*)

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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Dollhouse' axed

[Mr. Worf]

One thing that I have wondered about with tv and radio is how do they come
to the decision to movie a show into a time slot where they know that it has
the potential to fail. This is something that is not taught in college.

They have been experimenting with putting House in the Friday slot. (anyone
noticed that test?)

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:20 AM, B Smith  wrote:

> The sad thing is whatever replaces it on Friday will probably pull in
> roughly the same ratings.
>
> Leave it to Fox. They'll probably move Fringe to Dollhouse's time slot and
> finish the job they started.
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
> >
> > Wow... I had the feeling that they were going to axe it. Fox always kills
> > shows when they are starting to pick up a loyal audience.
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Tracey de Morsella <
> > tdli...@...> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >  This just in: 'Dollhouse' axed<
> http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2009/11/11/this-just-in-dollhouse-axed/>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > This has been a busy week for cancellations. The latest addition to the
> TV
> > > graveyard: *Dollhouse*.
> > >
> > > According to multiple insiders, Fox has informed Joss Whedon that it
> will
> > > not be ordering additional installments of his low-rated drama beyond
> the
> > > current 13-episode order. On the bright side, the network still plans
> to burn
> > > off the remaining unaired episodes<
> http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2009/10/21/exclusive-fox-to-bench-dollhouse-for-sweeps/>beginning
> in December. Hey, it’s something.
> > >
> > > *Dollhouse* has been averaging a mere 3 million viewers this season.
> Last
> > > season â€" when fan support, together with significant budget cuts,
> helped it
> > > to get an odds-defying second-year pickup â€" the show averaged 4.7
> million.
> > >
> > > Bottom line: *Dollhouse* is lucky it ever saw a second season. Remember
> > > that when you’re posting your eulogies below.
> > >
> > > *UPDATE: *Whedon just posted the following statement on
> Whedonesque.com:
> > > “I don’t have a lot to say. I’m extremely proud of the people
> I’ve worked
> > > with: my star, my staff, my cast, my crew. I feel the show is getting
> better
> > > pretty much every week, and I think you’ll agree in the coming
> months. I’m
> > > grateful that we got to put it on, and then come back and put it on
> again.
> > > I’m off to pursue Internet ventures/binge drinking. Possibly that
> relaxation
> > > thing I’ve read so much about. By the time the last episode airs,
> you’ll
> > > know what my next project is. But for now, there’s a lot of work
> still to be
> > > done, and disappointment to bear. Thank you all for your support, your
> > > patience, your excellent adverts. See you again.â€
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Tracey de Morsella, Managing Producer
> > >
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: O/t M$ Bans 600,000+ Xbox Live Users For Modding

[Mr. Worf]

The knuckleheaded kids can be a problem and ruin games. Especially if you
are new and trying to get your bearings. It is a problem in most games
though. It totally turned me off to mmorpg games. There are games that are a
lot of fun out there too like Battlefield, but I had to stop because they
made it too unfair. (Best game I ever played was Battlefield 2 with a 24 on
24 game. Very intense!)


On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:26 AM, B Smith  wrote:

> I'd rather they ban all the racists and other jackasses that populate Xbox
> Live. I don't play co-op games but my wife and some friends do and they are
> routinely harrassed by these idiots.
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Omari Confer  wrote:
> >
> > Tough love.
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 5:24 PM, Mr. Worf  wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> http://www.dailytech.com/Microsoft+Bans+60+Xbox+Live+Users+For+Modding/article16795.htm
> > >
> > >
> > > Microsoft is serious about stamping out Xbox modding<
> http://www.dailytech.com/Xbox+360s+Firmware+Hacked/article1263.htm>.
> > > Modding involves using hardware or software hacks to circumvent the
> > > protection technology on a video game console<
> http://www.dailytech.com/Microsoft+Bans+60+Xbox+Live+Users+For+Modding/article16795.htm#
> >.
> > > Modding has some morally ambiguous uses -- such as installing an
> alternative
> > > OS, or playing games/DVDs from outside your zone (both practices are
> > > technically illegal according to some sources and/or violate you EULA).
> > > However, one less morally ambiguous cause for modding is to allow
> pirated
> > > games to play just like legally purchased discs.
> > >
> > > The console makers, including Microsoft<
> http://www.dailytech.com/Microsoft+Bans+60+Xbox+Live+Users+For+Modding/article16795.htm#
> >,
> > > have pushed for international legislation banning modding, which they
> say is
> > > driving piracy.  The results were showcased in the recent arrest of a
> Cal
> > > State student by federal agents.  The student had been making and
> selling
> > > modded Xboxes, a crime that could earn him 10 years in prison<
> http://www.dailytech.com/Xbox+Modding+Could+Earn+Cal+State+Student+10+Years+of+Hard+Prison+Time/article15896.htm>according
> to authorities.
> > >
> > > While Microsoft obviously cannot pursue that kind of legal action
> against
> > > every owner of a modded Xbox, it has just taken a sweeping step to try
> to
> > > punish those who mod.  It has just issued a large set of bans
> disconnecting,
> > > according to  *BBC
> News
> > > *, over 600,000 Xbox 360 users from Xbox Live, the company's popular
> online
> > > gaming service<
> http://www.dailytech.com/Microsoft+Bans+60+Xbox+Live+Users+For+Modding/article16795.htm#
> >.
> > > With approximately 20 million current Xbox Live subscribers, this
> represents
> > > as much as a 3 percent cut to Microsoft's total online gaming
> population.
> > >
> > > A statement released from Microsoft reiterated that modding "violates"
> the
> > > console's "terms of use" and that the result will be terminated
> service.
> > > Writes the company, "All consumers should know that piracy is illegal
> and
> > > that modifying their Xbox 360 console<
> http://www.dailytech.com/Microsoft+Bans+60+Xbox+Live+Users+For+Modding/article16795.htm#>to
> play pirated discs violates the Xbox Live terms of use, will void their
> > > warranty and result in a ban from Xbox Live.  The health of the video
> game
> > > business<
> http://www.dailytech.com/Microsoft+Bans+60+Xbox+Live+Users+For+Modding/article16795.htm#>depends
> on customers paying for the genuine products and services they
> > > receive from manufacturers, retailers, and the third parties that
> support
> > > them."
> > >
> > > Banned users can play games offline as if nothing happened.  However,
> when
> > > they try to log into their Xbox Live account, they now receive a
> message
> > > stating, "Your console has been banned from Xbox."
> > >
> > > Microsoft was tight lipped about how many users were cut off from the
> > > popular gaming service or how it identified them.  A spokesperson
> merely
> > > commented, "We do not reveal specifics, but can say that all consoles
> have
> > > been verified to have violated the terms of use."
> > >
> > > Recently, Microsoft has been working hard to keep a tighter grip on its
> > > Xbox revenue stream, following in the example of Apple, Inc. and
> others.
> > > Its new update reportedly will lock out third party storage solutions<
> http://www.dailytech.com/PS3+Wins+a+Month+Microsoft+Plans+to+Lock+Out+ThirdParty+Xbox+Storage/article16557.htm>from
> the console.  Third party storage typically retails for much less that
> > > Microsoft's offerings.  By locking out its competitors, Microsoft
> likely is
> > > hoping to tack on more earnings to its already substantial stream from
> the
> > > Xbox.
> > >  --
> > >
> > >
> > >

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: New V series- second episode -language

[Mr. Worf]

IFC shows a Bollywood movie every Sunday morning at 7am. So I set my dvr to
catch it. The movies are mostly mainstream. I guess that I was looking for a
new way to tell a story when I was watching them, but most of the stories
are just Bollywoodized versions of the same stories.

One of the movies that I saw recently was a Bollywoodized version of the
Godfather 2. The difference was that they combined Fredo and Sonny into the
same character. So you had a violent coward? It was an interesting film.


On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 6:43 AM, B Smith  wrote:

> Hindi perhaps? ;)
>
> Bollywood movies are one form of geekdom that will never be on my plate. I
> have a switch in my brain that turns on during musical numbers and I'm
> completely taken out of the experience.
>
> I hate the fear of subtitles. Movies like REC, Ju-on(The Grudge),
> Kairo(Pulse), La Femme Nikita and tons of others have inferior Americam
> remakes because people don't like subtitles. The Ring and The Departed are
> recent exceptions but even they are not better than the originals.
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
> >
> > I agree with that. People get stuck on stupid when it comes to subtitles.
> > Crouching tiger, hidden dragon did much better in the theater after they
> > came out with the dubbed version for example. Unfortunately, a lot of
> great
> > films have subtitles.
> >
> > Has anyone watched any Bollywood movies? They suffer from really bad
> > subtitle work. The actors often speak in 70% Farsi and 30% English. Often
> > you can hear the dialog in English before the subtitles are printed on
> the
> > screen and they are often wrong.
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > This is America we're talking about. Most of my friends--some ardent
> > > moviegoers--avoid subtitles like the plague!
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Martin Baxter" 
> > > To: "SciFiNoir2" 
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:31:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada
> Eastern
> > > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] New V series- second episode -language
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm with you, Sin. Up against the cost of the FX, how much more can
> simple
> > > subtitles set you back?
> > >
> > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> > > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > > From: sincere1...@...
> > > Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 03:05:10 +
> > > Subject: [scifinoir2] New V series- second episode -language
> > >
> > >
> > >  One question- (this was a pet peeve of mine from the original)... why
> > > don't the Visitors ever speak their own language even when they're
> among
> > > themselves? I'd take just a few verses of Parseltongue. Anything. Go a
> long
> > > way in creating authenticity. I thought they'd correct that seeming
> faux pas
> > > in the re-make.
> > >
> > > Sin / BG
> > >
> > >
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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Framed for Child Porn _ by a PC Virus

[Martin Baxter]

I'm with you there, rave. I watched an IT guy remote my mother's PC regarding 
Internet connectivity issues, and I couldn't stay in the same room. Freaked me 
out physically.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: ravena...@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:41:43 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Framed for Child Porn _ by a PC Virus


















 



  



  
  
  For me, one of the freakiest things is having remote IT done on my work 
computer.  You give them the computer ID and then they take control of your PC 
- moving your cursor around and opening up things as they chat with you over 
the phone.  Gotta love Billy Gates for that.



~(no)rave!



--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:

>

> This is a messed up story. I'm sure there's a movie in it too.

> 

> What I don't like is that when it comes to certain subjects such as child

> porn most people are guilty until proven innocent. In this case, one guy

> (Fiola) did have a virus doing it. Antivirus makers have also seen that Bots

> ( a program that turns over your computer to someone's control robotically)

> have been used to make zombie pcs and even use them to run porn sites etc.

> 

> A lot of the convictions happen because most of the information is over the

> juries heads. They have a hard time believing that someone can take over

> their pc remotely and do these things without anyone knowing. I have seen it

> done several times, and know that a good hacker can do all kinds of things.

> Most of the time people will not know, because the virus has been programmed

> to maneuver around most popular anti-virus programs.

> 

> Last year, several thousand computers were used to as a Denial of service

> attack on the White house website. Several thousand others were used to rob

> Citibank.

> 

> One of the easiest ways to prevent this is by turning your pc off when you

> are not using it. Not sleep mode or standby but O-F-F.

> 

> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Kelwyn  wrote:

> 

> > Follow the link - there are some very scary stories told in this article.

> >

> > ~rave!

> >

> > http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=9028516

> >

> > Framed for Child Porn _ by a PC Virus

> >

> > PC owners caught with child porn loaded on their computers _ by a computer

> > virus

> >

> > By JORDAN ROBERTSON

> > The Associated Press

> >

> > Of all the sinister things that Internet viruses do, this might be the

> > worst: They can make you an unsuspecting collector of child pornography.

> >

> > Heinous pictures and videos can be deposited on computers by viruses â€" the

> > malicious programs better known for swiping your credit card numbers. In

> > this twist, it's your reputation that's stolen.

> >

> > Pedophiles can exploit virus-infected PCs to remotely store and view their

> > stash without fear they'll get caught. Pranksters or someone trying to frame

> > you can tap viruses to make it appear that you surf illegal Web sites.

> >

> > Whatever the motivation, you get child porn on your computer â€" and might

> > not realize it until police knock at your door.

> >

> > An Associated Press investigation found cases in which innocent people have

> > been branded as pedophiles after their co-workers or loved ones stumbled

> > upon child porn placed on a PC through a virus. It can cost victims hundreds

> > of thousands of dollars to prove their innocence.

> >

> > Their situations are complicated by the fact that actual pedophiles often

> > blame viruses â€" a defense rightfully viewed with skepticism by law

> > enforcement.

> >

> > "It's an example of the old `dog ate my homework' excuse," says Phil

> > Malone, director of the Cyberlaw Clinic at Harvard's Berkman Center for

> > Internet & Society. "The problem is, sometimes the dog does eat your

> > homework."

> >

> >

> >

> > 

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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: 10 underated depictions of the apocalypse

[Martin Baxter]

B, that's that ageism showing again. Kids who aren't versed enough to 
contribute fully on the subject trying to do so anyway.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: daikaij...@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:10:38 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: 10 underated depictions of the apocalypse


















 



  



  
  
  The Book of Eli should be out early next year.



Lucifer's Hammer is awesome and should be on the list.



I have a confession: I don't like Y: The Last Man. It's well written and has a 
great premise but it never hooked me.



--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Kelwyn"  wrote:

>

> I can't believe I have never read John Wyndham's "The Day of the Triffids" 
> (#4).  I will have to rectify that situation.

> 

> ~rave!

> 

> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:

> >

> > These are some good choices. They did a remake of the Road and it is coming

> > in a couple of months. I saw the commercial for it already. Hey! What

> > happened to that Densel Washington movie?

> > 

> > Also, I think there is a Day of the Trifids remake due as well.

> > 

> > On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Kelwyn  wrote:

> > 

> > > http://woyita.notlong.com

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > 

> > >

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> > >

> > >

> > 

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RE: [scifinoir2] New V series- second episode -language

[Martin Baxter]

Same here. It's almost as though they can't multi-task sufficiently to read and 
watch simultaneously.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:29:34 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] New V series- second episode -language


















 



  



  
  
  
This is America we're talking about. Most of my friends--some ardent 
moviegoers--avoid subtitles like the plague!

- Original Message -
From: "Martin Baxter" 
To: "SciFiNoir2" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:31:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] New V series- second episode -language








 



  



  
  
  


I'm with you, Sin. Up against the cost of the FX, how much more can simple 
subtitles set you back?

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: sincere1...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 03:05:10 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] New V series- second episode -language


















 



  



  
  
  One question- (this was a pet peeve of mine from the original)... why 
don't the Visitors ever speak their own language even when they're among 
themselves? I'd take just a few verses of Parseltongue. Anything. Go a long way 
in creating authenticity. I thought they'd correct that seeming faux pas in the 
re-make.



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RE: [scifinoir2] 10 underated depictions of the apocalypse

[Martin Baxter]

I agree with you on "Testament", Keith. And yes, you *should* read "Y: The Last 
Man". Last issue is a gut-punch.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:36:22 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] 10 underated depictions of the apocalypse


















 



  



  
  
  
But number six is the movie "Testament"! At last! How many times have I crowed 
right here about what a beautiful, poignant film that is. I think i just posted 
about it in the last few weeks. "Testament" is often lost amidst the memories 
of  the showier, and far less resonant TV miniseries "The Day After". That last 
is still very good, and has some frightening scenes of nuclear winter--Carl 
Sagan was an advisor after all. But "Testament" has a much closer-to-home human 
impact that's far more devastating.
I've never read "Y: the Last Man". Should I?


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How "Children of Men" falls so far down on that list is beyond me... that 
Emmerich dreck should be holding up the bottom, IMO.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik





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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Framed for Child Porn _ by a PC Virus

[Martin Baxter]

rave, I know someone in a forum I used to post in, who got that same message 
from a friend. This guy tried to use the CD-ROM holder as *just that*. Ended up 
dumping his laptop into the floor when he tried to put a Big Gulp on it.

No, he wasn't the sharpest butter knife in the drawer. 8-O

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: ravena...@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:40:40 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Framed for Child Porn _ by a PC Virus


















 



  



  
  
  For some reason this reminds me of a "non-malicious" hi-jacking of an old 
desktop I used to own.  A friend sent me a "funny" e-mail promising me a "free 
cup holder."  When I clicked it my CD Rom drive popped open.



~(no)rave!



--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:

>

> That is one of the biggest holes on someone's pc. There are still ways for

> people to take over someone's computer even when that is turned off!

> 

> Back when windows was newish, a hacker got into my pc and was moving around

> on it using the remote access. Up to that time most people didn't know about

> it, including me. I saw my mouse cursor moving and some windows opening and

> closing. When I tried to stop him from doing stuff he opened up a chat

> window and we talked. I told him that he was trespassing on my computer and

> he threatened to reformat my hard drive. So I threatened to hunt him down

> and kill him. (I was only half serious.) He backed down and agreed to not do

> it again.

> 

> After that experience I hated hackers with a passion although they do have

> some positive benefits.

> 

> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Kelwyn  wrote:

> 

> > For me, one of the freakiest things is having remote IT done on my work

> > computer.  You give them the computer ID and then they take control of your

> > PC - moving your cursor around and opening up things as they chat with you

> > over the phone.  Gotta love Billy Gates for that.

> >

> > ~(no)rave!

> >

> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:

> > >

> > > This is a messed up story. I'm sure there's a movie in it too.

> > >

> > > What I don't like is that when it comes to certain subjects such as child

> > > porn most people are guilty until proven innocent. In this case, one guy

> > > (Fiola) did have a virus doing it. Antivirus makers have also seen that

> > Bots

> > > ( a program that turns over your computer to someone's control

> > robotically)

> > > have been used to make zombie pcs and even use them to run porn sites

> > etc.

> > >

> > > A lot of the convictions happen because most of the information is over

> > the

> > > juries heads. They have a hard time believing that someone can take over

> > > their pc remotely and do these things without anyone knowing. I have seen

> > it

> > > done several times, and know that a good hacker can do all kinds of

> > things.

> > > Most of the time people will not know, because the virus has been

> > programmed

> > > to maneuver around most popular anti-virus programs.

> > >

> > > Last year, several thousand computers were used to as a Denial of service

> > > attack on the White house website. Several thousand others were used to

> > rob

> > > Citibank.

> > >

> > > One of the easiest ways to prevent this is by turning your pc off when

> > you

> > > are not using it. Not sleep mode or standby but O-F-F.

> > >

> > > On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Kelwyn  wrote:

> > >

> > > > Follow the link - there are some very scary stories told in this

> > article.

> > > >

> > > > ~rave!

> > > >

> > > > http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=9028516

> > > >

> > > > Framed for Child Porn _ by a PC Virus

> > > >

> > > > PC owners caught with child porn loaded on their computers _ by a

> > computer

> > > > virus

> > > >

> > > > By JORDAN ROBERTSON

> > > > The Associated Press

> > > >

> > > > Of all the sinister things that Internet viruses do, this might be the

> > > > worst: They can make you an unsuspecting collector of child

> > pornography.

> > > >

> > > > Heinous pictures and videos can be deposited on computers by viruses

> > â€" the

> > > > malicious programs better known for swiping your credit card numbers.

> > In

> > > > this twist, it's your reputation that's stolen.

> > > >

> > > > Pedophiles can exploit virus-infected PCs to remotely store and view

> > their

> > > > stash without fear they'll get caught. Pranksters or someone trying to

> > frame

> > > > you can tap viruses to make it appear that you surf illegal Web sites.

> > > >

> > > > Whatever the motivation, you get child porn on your computer â€" and

> > might

> > > > not realize it until police knock at your door.

> > > >

> > > > An Associated Press investigation found cases in whic

RE: [scifinoir2] Pam Grier lands "Smallville" role

[Martin Baxter]

I know, Keith, but since, as you said, they're clearly running "Smallville" as 
an AU version of Superman, why not recast the right way? ;-)

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:28:34 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Pam Grier lands "Smallville" role


















 



  



  
  
  
Grier is built *nothing* like Waller! They need somebody like the fat Michael 
Clarke Duncan!

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To: "SciFiNoir2" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:16:01 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
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Hot and evil... now that's what I'm talkin' about!

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: ravena...@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:57:39 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] Pam Grier lands "Smallville" role


















 



  



  
  
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LOS ANGELES, Nov. 9 (UPI) -- U.S. actress Pam Grier has signed on to play evil 
Agent Amanda Waller on TV's "Smallville," sources told TVGuide.com.



Grier, 60, was most recently a cast member on the Showtime series "The L Word."



Her film credits include "Jackie Brown," "Escape from L.A.," "Foxy Brown," 
"Fort Apache the Bronx" and "Something Wicked This Way Comes."



TVGuide.com said the actress is expected to appear in multiple episodes of 
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RE: [scifinoir2] Pam Grier lands "Smallville" role

[Martin Baxter]

I've gotta buy that on DVD.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:14:45 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Pam Grier lands "Smallville" role


















 



  



  
  
  
Yeah she was good in that, indeed! Wonder why they couldn't find a sister 
closer in skin color to Waller, who's pretty dark? Lorraine Toussaint is a very 
good actress. 

Speaking of Waller, did you ever see that "Justice League United" ep where she 
and Batman of the future (the young man from "Batman Beyond") had a discussion? 
It takes place about 40 - 50 years in our future. Waller confesses to her role 
in trying to create the new Batman for that time. What she did (I won't spoil 
it for you if you haven't seen it) was mind boggling. And prior to that, I 
loved her complicity in the long running battle of parts of the government 
against the JL, and how she then joined the League when she realized they were 
less dangerous than her former ally, Luthor.

Complicated woman.

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From: "bruce harden" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 6:05:25 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
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  yeah but when it comes to being large and in charge . nobody does it lie 
pam grier. remember law an order svu when she was part of the  federal porno 
investigators? no one in my my memory has ever locked stablers heels like her.




On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Keith Johnson  
wrote:


  





Grier is built *nothing* like Waller! They need somebody like the fat Michael 
Clarke Duncan! 


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From: "Martin Baxter" 
To: "SciFiNoir2" 

Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:16:01 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Pam Grier lands "Smallville" role

  



Hot and evil... now that's what I'm talkin' about!

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik








To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: ravena...@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:57:39 +

Subject: [scifinoir2] Pam Grier lands "Smallville" role

  


http://aikairi.notlong.com

LOS ANGELES, Nov. 9 (UPI) -- U.S. actress Pam Grier has signed on to play evil 
Agent Amanda Waller on TV's "Smallville," sources told TVGuide.com.


Grier, 60, was most recently a cast member on the Showtime series "The L Word."

Her film credits include "Jackie Brown," "Escape from L.A.," "Foxy Brown," 
"Fort Apache the Bronx" and "Something Wicked This Way Comes."


TVGuide.com said the actress is expected to appear in multiple episodes of 
"Smallville," starting in January.






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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: 10 underated depictions of the apocalypse

[Martin Baxter]

I never got that title either, Keith.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:33:03 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 10 underated depictions of the apocalypse


















 



  



  
  
  
Not a fan of "Testament"? Why is that? What about "The Day After"?  And 
curious, isn't it, that Emerich's disaster flick was titled "The Day After 
Tomorrow"?


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From: "B Smith" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 9:22:24 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: 10 underated depictions of the apocalypse



  




As I said in another post I'm not a fan but it's very good.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:
>
> But number six is the movie "Testament"! At last! How many times have I 
> crowed right here about what a beautiful, poignant film that is. I think i 
> just posted about it in the last few weeks. "Testament" is often lost amidst 
> the memories of the showier, and far less resonant TV miniseries "The Day 
> After". That last is still very good, and has some frightening scenes of 
> nuclear winter--Carl Sagan was an advisor after all. But "Testament" has a 
> much closer-to-home human impact that's far more devastating. 
> I've never read "Y: the Last Man". Should I? 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Martin Baxter"  
> To: "SciFiNoir2"  
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:43:03 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] 10 underated depictions of the apocalypse 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> How "Children of Men" falls so far down on that list is beyond me... that 
> Emmerich dreck should be holding up the bottom, IMO. 
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> From: ravena...@... 
> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:30:25 + 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] 10 underated depictions of the apocalypse 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> http://woyita.notlong.com 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: 10 underated depictions of the apocalypse

[Martin Baxter]

B, I have seen "Threads", and yes, it is fantastic.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: daikaij...@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:55:29 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: 10 underated depictions of the apocalypse


















 



  



  
  
  I was referring to Y: The Last Man.



I've never seen Testament but I've heard it's heartbreaking. I remember the 
furor The Day After caused. A lot of folks wouldn't let their kids watch it and 
some affiliates didn't want to air it.



Have you ever seen Threads? It's a BBC movie from around the same time about a 
nuclear attack on England. I've never seen it but I hear it's very good but 
bleak as hell.



--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:

>

> 

> 

> Not a fan of "Testament"? Why is that? What about "The Day After"?  And 
> curious, isn't it, that Emerich's disaster flick was titled "The Day After 
> Tomorrow"? 

> 

> 

> - Original Message - 

> From: "B Smith"  

> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 

> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 9:22:24 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 

> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: 10 underated depictions of the apocalypse 

> 

> Â  

> 

> 

> 

> 

> As I said in another post I'm not a fan but it's very good. 

> 

> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson  wrote: 

> > 

> > But number six is the movie "Testament"! At last! How many times have I 
> > crowed right here about what a beautiful, poignant film that is. I think i 
> > just posted about it in the last few weeks. "Testament" is often lost 
> > amidst the memories of the showier, and far less resonant TV miniseries 
> > "The Day After". That last is still very good, and has some frightening 
> > scenes of nuclear winter--Carl Sagan was an advisor after all. But 
> > "Testament" has a much closer-to-home human impact that's far more 
> > devastating. 

> > I've never read "Y: the Last Man". Should I? 

> > 

> > 

> > - Original Message - 

> > From: "Martin Baxter"  

> > To: "SciFiNoir2" < scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > 

> > Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:43:03 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 

> > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] 10 underated depictions of the apocalypse 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > How "Children of Men" falls so far down on that list is beyond me... that 
> > Emmerich dreck should be holding up the bottom, IMO. 

> > 

> > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in 
> > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

> > 

> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 

> > From: ravenadal@ 

> > Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:30:25 + 

> > Subject: [scifinoir2] 10 underated depictions of the apocalypse 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > http://woyita.notlong.com 

> > 

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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: O/t M$ Bans 600,000+ Xbox Live Users For Modding

[Martin Baxter]

B, that would be a lovely idea. But, alas, it makes SENSE.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: daikaij...@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:26:36 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: O/t M$ Bans 600,000+ Xbox Live Users For Modding


















 



  



  
  
  I'd rather they ban all the racists and other jackasses that populate 
Xbox Live. I don't play co-op games but my wife and some friends do and they 
are routinely harrassed by these idiots. 



--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Omari Confer  wrote:

>

> Tough love.

> 

> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 5:24 PM, Mr. Worf  wrote:

> 

> >

> >

> >

> > http://www.dailytech.com/Microsoft+Bans+60+Xbox+Live+Users+For+Modding/article16795.htm

> >

> >

> > Microsoft is serious about stamping out Xbox 
> > modding.

> > Modding involves using hardware or software hacks to circumvent the

> > protection technology on a video game 
> > console.

> > Modding has some morally ambiguous uses -- such as installing an alternative

> > OS, or playing games/DVDs from outside your zone (both practices are

> > technically illegal according to some sources and/or violate you EULA).

> > However, one less morally ambiguous cause for modding is to allow pirated

> > games to play just like legally purchased discs.

> >

> > The console makers, including 
> > Microsoft,

> > have pushed for international legislation banning modding, which they say is

> > driving piracy.  The results were showcased in the recent arrest of a Cal

> > State student by federal agents.  The student had been making and selling

> > modded Xboxes, a crime that could earn him 10 years in 
> > prisonaccording
> >  to authorities.

> >

> > While Microsoft obviously cannot pursue that kind of legal action against

> > every owner of a modded Xbox, it has just taken a sweeping step to try to

> > punish those who mod.  It has just issued a large set of bans disconnecting,

> > according to  *BBC News

> > *, over 600,000 Xbox 360 users from Xbox Live, the company's popular online

> > gaming 
> > service.

> > With approximately 20 million current Xbox Live subscribers, this represents

> > as much as a 3 percent cut to Microsoft's total online gaming population.

> >

> > A statement released from Microsoft reiterated that modding "violates" the

> > console's "terms of use" and that the result will be terminated service.

> > Writes the company, "All consumers should know that piracy is illegal and

> > that modifying their Xbox 360 
> > consoleto
> >  play pirated discs violates the Xbox Live terms of use, will void their

> > warranty and result in a ban from Xbox Live.  The health of the video game

> > businessdepends
> >  on customers paying for the genuine products and services they

> > receive from manufacturers, retailers, and the third parties that support

> > them."

> >

> > Banned users can play games offline as if nothing happened.  However, when

> > they try to log into their Xbox Live account, they now receive a message

> > stating, "Your console has been banned from Xbox."

> >

> > Microsoft was tight lipped about how many users were cut off from the

> > popular gaming service or how it identified them.  A spokesperson merely

> > commented, "We do not reveal specifics, but can say that all consoles have

> > been verified to have violated the terms of use."

> >

> > Recently, Microsoft has been working hard to keep a tighter grip on its

> > Xbox revenue stream, following in the example of Apple, Inc. and others.

> > Its new update reportedly will lock out third party storage 
> > solutionsfrom
> >  the console.  Third party storage typically retails for much less that

> > Microsoft's offerings.  By locking out its competitors, Microsoft likely is

> > hoping to tack on more earnings to its already substantial stream from the

> > Xbox.

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Re: [scifinoir2] Dollhouse' axed

[bruce harden]

DONT BLAME THE NET WORK  IF YOU DONT  WATCH YOU DONT GET RATINGS .PERIOD.AND
people dont want to seem to want to be challenged when those plain jkane
shows csi navy spin offs are winning  there time slots . Me ,I would like to
see those dvr numbers because from what i can tell the genre stuff does well
on  ater time

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Bosco Bosco  wrote:

>
>
>   and we succumb to the inevitable. I hope he never works with them again.
>
> Bosco
>
> --- On *Wed, 11/11/09, Tracey de Morsella <
> tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Tracey de Morsella 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Dollhouse' axed
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 8:09 PM
>
>
>
>  This just in: 'Dollhouse' 
> axed
>
>
>
> This has been a busy week for cancellations. The latest addition to the TV
> graveyard: *Dollhouse*.
>
> According to multiple insiders, Fox has informed Joss Whedon that it will
> not be ordering additional installments of his low-rated drama beyond the
> current 13-episode order. On the bright side, the network still plans to burn
> off the remaining unaired 
> episodesbeginning
>  in December. Hey, it’s something.
>
> *Dollhouse* has been averaging a mere 3 million viewers this season. Last
> season — when fan support, together with significant budget cuts, helped it
> to get an odds-defying second-year pickup — the show averaged 4.7 million.
>
> Bottom line: *Dollhouse* is lucky it ever saw a second season. Remember
> that when you’re posting your eulogies below.
>
> *UPDATE: *Whedon just posted the following statement on Whedonesque. 
> com:
> “I don’t have a lot to say. I’m extremely proud of the people I’ve worked
> with: my star, my staff, my cast, my crew. I feel the show is getting better
> pretty much every week, and I think you’ll agree in the coming months. I’m
> grateful that we got to put it on, and then come back and put it on again.
> I’m off to pursue Internet ventures/binge drinking. Possibly that relaxation
> thing I’ve read so much about. By the time the last episode airs, you’ll
> know what my next project is. But for now, there’s a lot of work still to be
> done, and disappointment to bear. Thank you all for your support, your
> patience, your excellent adverts. See you again.”
>
>
>
> Tracey de Morsella, Managing Producer
>
> The Green Economy Post
>
> http://greeneconomy post.com
>
> tra...@greeneconomy post.com
>
>
>
>
> 
>

Re: [scifinoir2] Dollhouse' axed

[Augustus Augustus]

i totally agree with you Bosco!

--- On Thu, 11/12/09, Bosco Bosco  wrote:

From: Bosco Bosco 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Dollhouse' axed
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 3:21 PM







 



  



  
  
  and we succumb to the inevitable. I hope he never works with them again.

Bosco

--- On Wed, 11/11/09, Tracey de Morsella  
wrote:

From: Tracey de Morsella 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Dollhouse' axed
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 8:09 PM







 




  
  
  







This
just in: 'Dollhouse' axed 

   

This has been a busy week for cancellations. The latest addition to the TV
graveyard: Dollhouse. 

According to multiple insiders, Fox has informed Joss Whedon that it will
not be ordering additional installments of his low-rated drama beyond the
current 13-episode order. On the bright side, the network still plans to burn
off the remaining unaired episodes beginning in December. Hey, it’s
something. 

Dollhouse has been averaging a mere 3 million viewers this season.
Last season — when fan support, together with significant budget cuts,
helped it to get an odds-defying second-year pickup — the show averaged
4.7 million. 

Bottom line: Dollhouse is lucky it ever saw a second season.
Remember that when you’re posting your eulogies below. 

UPDATE: Whedon just posted the following statement on Whedonesque. com:
“I don’t have a lot to say. I’m extremely proud of the people
I’ve worked with: my star, my staff, my cast, my crew. I feel the show is
getting better pretty much every week, and I think you’ll agree in the
coming months. I’m grateful that we got to put it on, and then come back
and put it on again. I’m off to pursue Internet ventures/binge drinking.
Possibly that relaxation thing I’ve read so much about. By the time the
last episode airs, you’ll know what my next project is. But for now,
there’s a lot of work still to be done, and disappointment to bear. Thank
you all for your support, your patience, your excellent adverts. See you
again.” 

   

Tracey de Morsella, Managing Producer 

The Green Economy Post 

http://greeneconomy post.com 

tra...@greeneconomy post.com 

   









 



 





  


 





 



  






  

Re: [scifinoir2] 10 underated depictions of the apocalypse

[Justin Mohareb]

This is truth. Plus, hey, black chick.

Justin

On 2009-11-12, at 3:29 PM, Bosco Bosco  wrote:

Y the Last Man is awesomely good. It's fun, funny, poignant,  
heartbreaking and delightful. Well worth the invest of time and money


B

--- On Wed, 11/11/09, Keith Johnson  wrote:

From: Keith Johnson 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] 10 underated depictions of the apocalypse
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 4:36 PM


But number six is the movie "Testament"! At last! How many times  
have I crowed right here about what a beautiful, poignant film that  
is. I think i just posted about it in the last few weeks.  
"Testament" is often lost amidst the memories of  the showier, and  
far less resonant TV miniseries "The Day After". That last is still  
very good, and has some frightening scenes of nuclear winter--Carl  
Sagan was an advisor after all. But "Testament" has a much closer-to- 
home human impact that's far more devastating.

I've never read "Y: the Last Man". Should I?


- Original Message -
From: "Martin Baxter" 
To: "SciFiNoir2" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:43:03 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada  
Eastern

Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] 10 underated depictions of the apocalypse


How "Children of Men" falls so far down on that list is beyond me...  
that Emmerich dreck should be holding up the bottom, IMO.


"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who  
in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant


http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik





To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
From: ravena...@yahoo. com
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:30:25 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] 10 underated depictions of the apocalypse


http://woyita. notlong.com



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Re: [scifinoir2] 10 underated depictions of the apocalypse

[Bosco Bosco]

Y the Last Man is awesomely good. It's fun, funny, poignant, heartbreaking and 
delightful. Well worth the invest of time and money

B

--- On Wed, 11/11/09, Keith Johnson  wrote:

From: Keith Johnson 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] 10 underated depictions of the apocalypse
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 4:36 PM







 



  



  
  
  But number six is the movie "Testament"! At last! How many times have I 
crowed right here about what a beautiful, poignant film that is. I think i just 
posted about it in the last few weeks. "Testament" is often lost amidst the 
memories of  the showier, and far less resonant TV miniseries "The Day After". 
That last is still very good, and has some frightening scenes of nuclear 
winter--Carl Sagan was an advisor after all. But "Testament" has a much 
closer-to-home human impact that's far more devastating.
I've never read "Y: the Last Man". Should I?


- Original Message -
From: "Martin Baxter" 
To: "SciFiNoir2" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:43:03 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] 10 underated depictions of the apocalypse








 



  



  
  
  


How "Children of Men" falls so far down on that list is beyond me... that 
Emmerich dreck should be holding up the bottom, IMO.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
From: ravena...@yahoo. com
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:30:25 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] 10 underated depictions of the apocalypse


















 



  



  
  
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Re: [scifinoir2] Dollhouse' axed

[Bosco Bosco]

and we succumb to the inevitable. I hope he never works with them again.

Bosco

--- On Wed, 11/11/09, Tracey de Morsella  
wrote:

From: Tracey de Morsella 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Dollhouse' axed
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 8:09 PM







 



  



  
  
  







This
just in: 'Dollhouse' axed 

   

This has been a busy week for cancellations. The latest addition to the TV
graveyard: Dollhouse. 

According to multiple insiders, Fox has informed Joss Whedon that it will
not be ordering additional installments of his low-rated drama beyond the
current 13-episode order. On the bright side, the network still plans to burn
off the remaining unaired episodes beginning in December. Hey, it’s
something. 

Dollhouse has been averaging a mere 3 million viewers this season.
Last season — when fan support, together with significant budget cuts,
helped it to get an odds-defying second-year pickup — the show averaged
4.7 million. 

Bottom line: Dollhouse is lucky it ever saw a second season.
Remember that when you’re posting your eulogies below. 

UPDATE: Whedon just posted the following statement on Whedonesque. com:
“I don’t have a lot to say. I’m extremely proud of the people
I’ve worked with: my star, my staff, my cast, my crew. I feel the show is
getting better pretty much every week, and I think you’ll agree in the
coming months. I’m grateful that we got to put it on, and then come back
and put it on again. I’m off to pursue Internet ventures/binge drinking.
Possibly that relaxation thing I’ve read so much about. By the time the
last episode airs, you’ll know what my next project is. But for now,
there’s a lot of work still to be done, and disappointment to bear. Thank
you all for your support, your patience, your excellent adverts. See you
again.” 

   

Tracey de Morsella, Managing Producer 

The Green Economy Post 

http://greeneconomy post.com 

tra...@greeneconomy post.com 

   









 





 



  






  

[scifinoir2] Re: Pam Grier lands "Smallville" role

[B Smith]

Regina Taylor would have been a good Amanda too. I do agree that since the 
Justice League cartoon I hear CCH Pounder everytime Amanda Waller appears.

I think Pam will be just fine. This is actually making me interested in 
watching Smallville.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Bates and Bassett can do anything they want, they're so good. Same for Dame 
> Judi Dench. 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "bruce harden"  
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 1:08:20 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Pam Grier lands "Smallville" role 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> i could see angela bassset my favorite your ass is done punk  ladies.. Not 
> black but kathy bates can get treacherous when she wantstoo 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@... > wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yeah she was good in that, indeed! Wonder why they couldn't find a sister 
> closer in skin color to Waller, who's pretty dark? Lorraine Toussaint is a 
> very good actress. 
> 
> Speaking of Waller, did you ever see that "Justice League United" ep where 
> she and Batman of the future (the young man from "Batman Beyond") had a 
> discussion? It takes place about 40 - 50 years in our future. Waller 
> confesses to her role in trying to create the new Batman for that time. What 
> she did (I won't spoil it for you if you haven't seen it) was mind boggling. 
> And prior to that, I loved her complicity in the long running battle of parts 
> of the government against the JL, and how she then joined the League when she 
> realized they were less dangerous than her former ally, Luthor. 
> 
> Complicated woman. 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "bruce harden" < bhsleepystude...@... > 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 6:05:25 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Pam Grier lands "Smallville" role 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> yeah but when it comes to being large and in charge . nobody does it lie pam 
> grier. remember law an order svu when she was part of the  federal porno 
> investigators? no one in my my memory has ever locked stablers heels like 
> her. 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@... > wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Grier is built *nothing* like Waller! They need somebody like the fat Michael 
> Clarke Duncan! 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Martin Baxter" < truthseeker...@... > 
> To: "SciFiNoir2" < scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:16:01 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Pam Grier lands "Smallville" role 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hot and evil... now that's what I'm talkin' about! 
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> From: ravena...@... 
> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:57:39 + 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Pam Grier lands "Smallville" role 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> http://aikairi.notlong.com 
> 
> LOS ANGELES, Nov. 9 (UPI) -- U.S. actress Pam Grier has signed on to play 
> evil Agent Amanda Waller on TV's "Smallville," sources told TVGuide.com. 
> 
> Grier, 60, was most recently a cast member on the Showtime series "The L 
> Word." 
> 
> Her film credits include "Jackie Brown," "Escape from L.A.," "Foxy Brown," 
> "Fort Apache the Bronx" and "Something Wicked This Way Comes." 
> 
> TVGuide.com said the actress is expected to appear in multiple episodes of 
> "Smallville," starting in January. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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>

Re: [scifinoir2] Pam Grier lands "Smallville" role

[Keith Johnson]

Bates and Bassett can do anything they want, they're so good. Same for Dame 
Judi Dench. 


- Original Message - 
From: "bruce harden"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 1:08:20 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Pam Grier lands "Smallville" role 

  




i could see angela bassset my favorite your ass is done punk  ladies.. Not 
black but kathy bates can get treacherous when she wantstoo 


On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 



  





Yeah she was good in that, indeed! Wonder why they couldn't find a sister 
closer in skin color to Waller, who's pretty dark? Lorraine Toussaint is a very 
good actress. 

Speaking of Waller, did you ever see that "Justice League United" ep where she 
and Batman of the future (the young man from "Batman Beyond") had a discussion? 
It takes place about 40 - 50 years in our future. Waller confesses to her role 
in trying to create the new Batman for that time. What she did (I won't spoil 
it for you if you haven't seen it) was mind boggling. And prior to that, I 
loved her complicity in the long running battle of parts of the government 
against the JL, and how she then joined the League when she realized they were 
less dangerous than her former ally, Luthor. 

Complicated woman. 

- Original Message - 
From: "bruce harden" < bhsleepystude...@gmail.com > 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 6:05:25 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Pam Grier lands "Smallville" role 

  




yeah but when it comes to being large and in charge . nobody does it lie pam 
grier. remember law an order svu when she was part of the  federal porno 
investigators? no one in my my memory has ever locked stablers heels like her. 


On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 



  





Grier is built *nothing* like Waller! They need somebody like the fat Michael 
Clarke Duncan! 


- Original Message - 
From: "Martin Baxter" < truthseeker...@hotmail.com > 
To: "SciFiNoir2" < scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > 
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:16:01 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Pam Grier lands "Smallville" role 

  




Hot and evil... now that's what I'm talkin' about! 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
From: ravena...@yahoo.com 
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:57:39 + 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Pam Grier lands "Smallville" role 

  


http://aikairi.notlong.com 

LOS ANGELES, Nov. 9 (UPI) -- U.S. actress Pam Grier has signed on to play evil 
Agent Amanda Waller on TV's "Smallville," sources told TVGuide.com. 

Grier, 60, was most recently a cast member on the Showtime series "The L Word." 

Her film credits include "Jackie Brown," "Escape from L.A.," "Foxy Brown," 
"Fort Apache the Bronx" and "Something Wicked This Way Comes." 

TVGuide.com said the actress is expected to appear in multiple episodes of 
"Smallville," starting in January. 





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Re: [scifinoir2] Pam Grier lands "Smallville" role

[bruce harden]

i could see angela bassset my favorite your ass is done punk  ladies.. Not
black but kathy bates can get treacherous when she wantstoo

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:

>
>
> Yeah she was good in that, indeed! Wonder why they couldn't find a sister
> closer in skin color to Waller, who's pretty dark? Lorraine Toussaint is a
> very good actress.
>
> Speaking of Waller, did you ever see that "Justice League United" ep where
> she and Batman of the future (the young man from "Batman Beyond") had a
> discussion? It takes place about 40 - 50 years in our future. Waller
> confesses to her role in trying to create the new Batman for that time. What
> she did (I won't spoil it for you if you haven't seen it) was mind boggling.
> And prior to that, I loved her complicity in the long running battle of
> parts of the government against the JL, and how she then joined the League
> when she realized they were less dangerous than her former ally, Luthor.
>
> Complicated woman.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "bruce harden" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 6:05:25 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Pam Grier lands "Smallville" role
>
>
>
> yeah but when it comes to being large and in charge . nobody does it lie
> pam grier. remember law an order svu when she was part of the  federal porno
> investigators? no one in my my memory has ever locked stablers heels like
> her.
>
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Keith Johnson 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Grier is built *nothing* like Waller! They need somebody like the fat
>> Michael Clarke Duncan!
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Martin Baxter" 
>> To: "SciFiNoir2" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:16:01 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Pam Grier lands "Smallville" role
>>
>>
>>
>> Hot and evil... now that's what I'm talkin' about!
>>
>> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
>> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>> From: ravena...@yahoo.com
>> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:57:39 +
>> Subject: [scifinoir2] Pam Grier lands "Smallville" role
>>
>>
>>  http://aikairi.notlong.com
>>
>> LOS ANGELES, Nov. 9 (UPI) -- U.S. actress Pam Grier has signed on to play
>> evil Agent Amanda Waller on TV's "Smallville," sources told TVGuide.com.
>>
>> Grier, 60, was most recently a cast member on the Showtime series "The L
>> Word."
>>
>> Her film credits include "Jackie Brown," "Escape from L.A.," "Foxy Brown,"
>> "Fort Apache the Bronx" and "Something Wicked This Way Comes."
>>
>> TVGuide.com said the actress is expected to appear in multiple episodes of
>> "Smallville," starting in January.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Find the right PC with Windows 7 and Windows Live. Learn 
>> more.
>>
>>
>   
>

[scifinoir2] Re: O/t M$ Bans 600,000+ Xbox Live Users For Modding

[B Smith]

I'd rather they ban all the racists and other jackasses that populate Xbox 
Live. I don't play co-op games but my wife and some friends do and they are 
routinely harrassed by these idiots. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Omari Confer  wrote:
>
> Tough love.
> 
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 5:24 PM, Mr. Worf  wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.dailytech.com/Microsoft+Bans+60+Xbox+Live+Users+For+Modding/article16795.htm
> >
> >
> > Microsoft is serious about stamping out Xbox 
> > modding.
> > Modding involves using hardware or software hacks to circumvent the
> > protection technology on a video game 
> > console.
> > Modding has some morally ambiguous uses -- such as installing an alternative
> > OS, or playing games/DVDs from outside your zone (both practices are
> > technically illegal according to some sources and/or violate you EULA).
> > However, one less morally ambiguous cause for modding is to allow pirated
> > games to play just like legally purchased discs.
> >
> > The console makers, including 
> > Microsoft,
> > have pushed for international legislation banning modding, which they say is
> > driving piracy.  The results were showcased in the recent arrest of a Cal
> > State student by federal agents.  The student had been making and selling
> > modded Xboxes, a crime that could earn him 10 years in 
> > prisonaccording
> >  to authorities.
> >
> > While Microsoft obviously cannot pursue that kind of legal action against
> > every owner of a modded Xbox, it has just taken a sweeping step to try to
> > punish those who mod.  It has just issued a large set of bans disconnecting,
> > according to  *BBC News
> > *, over 600,000 Xbox 360 users from Xbox Live, the company's popular online
> > gaming 
> > service.
> > With approximately 20 million current Xbox Live subscribers, this represents
> > as much as a 3 percent cut to Microsoft's total online gaming population.
> >
> > A statement released from Microsoft reiterated that modding "violates" the
> > console's "terms of use" and that the result will be terminated service.
> > Writes the company, "All consumers should know that piracy is illegal and
> > that modifying their Xbox 360 
> > consoleto
> >  play pirated discs violates the Xbox Live terms of use, will void their
> > warranty and result in a ban from Xbox Live.  The health of the video game
> > businessdepends
> >  on customers paying for the genuine products and services they
> > receive from manufacturers, retailers, and the third parties that support
> > them."
> >
> > Banned users can play games offline as if nothing happened.  However, when
> > they try to log into their Xbox Live account, they now receive a message
> > stating, "Your console has been banned from Xbox."
> >
> > Microsoft was tight lipped about how many users were cut off from the
> > popular gaming service or how it identified them.  A spokesperson merely
> > commented, "We do not reveal specifics, but can say that all consoles have
> > been verified to have violated the terms of use."
> >
> > Recently, Microsoft has been working hard to keep a tighter grip on its
> > Xbox revenue stream, following in the example of Apple, Inc. and others.
> > Its new update reportedly will lock out third party storage 
> > solutionsfrom
> >  the console.  Third party storage typically retails for much less that
> > Microsoft's offerings.  By locking out its competitors, Microsoft likely is
> > hoping to tack on more earnings to its already substantial stream from the
> > Xbox.
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[scifinoir2] Re: Dollhouse' axed

[B Smith]

The sad thing is whatever replaces it on Friday will probably pull in roughly 
the same ratings. 

Leave it to Fox. They'll probably move Fringe to Dollhouse's time slot and 
finish the job they started.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>
> Wow... I had the feeling that they were going to axe it. Fox always kills
> shows when they are starting to pick up a loyal audience.
> 
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Tracey de Morsella <
> tdli...@...> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> >  This just in: 'Dollhouse' 
> > axed
> >
> >
> >
> > This has been a busy week for cancellations. The latest addition to the TV
> > graveyard: *Dollhouse*.
> >
> > According to multiple insiders, Fox has informed Joss Whedon that it will
> > not be ordering additional installments of his low-rated drama beyond the
> > current 13-episode order. On the bright side, the network still plans to 
> > burn
> > off the remaining unaired 
> > episodesbeginning
> >  in December. Hey, it’s something.
> >
> > *Dollhouse* has been averaging a mere 3 million viewers this season. Last
> > season â€" when fan support, together with significant budget cuts, helped 
> > it
> > to get an odds-defying second-year pickup â€" the show averaged 4.7 million.
> >
> > Bottom line: *Dollhouse* is lucky it ever saw a second season. Remember
> > that when you’re posting your eulogies below.
> >
> > *UPDATE: *Whedon just posted the following statement on 
> > Whedonesque.com:
> > “I don’t have a lot to say. I’m extremely proud of the people I’ve 
> > worked
> > with: my star, my staff, my cast, my crew. I feel the show is getting better
> > pretty much every week, and I think you’ll agree in the coming months. 
> > I’m
> > grateful that we got to put it on, and then come back and put it on again.
> > I’m off to pursue Internet ventures/binge drinking. Possibly that 
> > relaxation
> > thing I’ve read so much about. By the time the last episode airs, you’ll
> > know what my next project is. But for now, there’s a lot of work still to 
> > be
> > done, and disappointment to bear. Thank you all for your support, your
> > patience, your excellent adverts. See you again.”
> >
> >
> >
> > Tracey de Morsella, Managing Producer
> >
> > The Green Economy Post
> >
> > http://greeneconomypost.com
> >
> > tra...@...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 10 underated depictions of the apocalypse

[Keith Johnson]

Yeah, ABC setup a helpline for "The Day After", where counselors would be 
available for people who were disturbed by the miniseries. No one called it. It 
was intense, I'll grant: i remember seeing the ICBM's leave their silos to 
deliver death across the world, and being awed by the sight. The explosions 
were something, and then the horrors of whole populaces dying from radiation 
poisoning, starvation, and disease were horrific. I remember Jason Robards' 
character walking through the streets, the skies overcast with nuclear winter, 
radioactive snow falling, people literally falling down dead in their tracks 
all around. 



That was the large-scale horror. "Testament" was the close-to-home story, the 
story of how you deal with seeing your spouse and children and neighbors slowly 
dying before your eyes. Like I said once before, there's a scene when Jane 
Alexander's character is trying to describe to her young daughter what it feels 
like to make love, since she knows the girl will never live to experience it. 
Really hearbreaking. And then there's the mentally challenged boy in the 
neighborhood, a sweet kid who loves to ride his bike. Every new day he rolls 
around, you see that more of his hair has fallen out, and he just keeps on 
smiling   



Each treatment is a valid and important view of the Apocalypses. Just depends 
if you're in the mood for large scale horrors for several hours, or the smaller 
more personal treatment. 



- Original Message - 
From: "B Smith"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 9:55:29 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: 10 underated depictions of the apocalypse 

  




I was referring to Y: The Last Man. 

I've never seen Testament but I've heard it's heartbreaking. I remember the 
furor The Day After caused. A lot of folks wouldn't let their kids watch it and 
some affiliates didn't want to air it. 

Have you ever seen Threads? It's a BBC movie from around the same time about a 
nuclear attack on England. I've never seen it but I hear it's very good but 
bleak as hell. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson  wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> Not a fan of "Testament"? Why is that? What about "The Day After"?  And 
> curious, isn't it, that Emerich's disaster flick was titled "The Day After 
> Tomorrow"? 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "B Smith"  
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 9:22:24 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: 10 underated depictions of the apocalypse 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> As I said in another post I'm not a fan but it's very good. 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson  wrote: 
> > 
> > But number six is the movie "Testament"! At last! How many times have I 
> > crowed right here about what a beautiful, poignant film that is. I think i 
> > just posted about it in the last few weeks. "Testament" is often lost 
> > amidst the memories of the showier, and far less resonant TV miniseries 
> > "The Day After". That last is still very good, and has some frightening 
> > scenes of nuclear winter--Carl Sagan was an advisor after all. But 
> > "Testament" has a much closer-to-home human impact that's far more 
> > devastating. 
> > I've never read "Y: the Last Man". Should I? 
> > 
> > 
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Martin Baxter"  
> > To: "SciFiNoir2" < scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > 
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:43:03 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] 10 underated depictions of the apocalypse 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > How "Children of Men" falls so far down on that list is beyond me... that 
> > Emmerich dreck should be holding up the bottom, IMO. 
> > 
> > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in 
> > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> > From: ravenadal@ 
> > Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:30:25 + 
> > Subject: [scifinoir2] 10 underated depictions of the apocalypse 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > http://woyita.notlong.com 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. Sign up 
> > now. 
> > 
> 

[scifinoir2] Re: Did anyone watch the "Escape from City 17" trailer?

[B Smith]

Cool. I'll have to watch that when I get home.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>
> I posted this about a week ago. Did anyone see it? What did you think?
> 
> Here is the website:
> http://www.purchasebrothers.com/Purchase-Brothers-v2-hl.html
> 
> 
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>

[scifinoir2] Re: 10 underated depictions of the apocalypse

[B Smith]

I was referring to Y: The Last Man.

I've never seen Testament but I've heard it's heartbreaking. I remember the 
furor The Day After caused. A lot of folks wouldn't let their kids watch it and 
some affiliates didn't want to air it.

Have you ever seen Threads? It's a BBC movie from around the same time about a 
nuclear attack on England. I've never seen it but I hear it's very good but 
bleak as hell.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Not a fan of "Testament"? Why is that? What about "The Day After"?  And 
> curious, isn't it, that Emerich's disaster flick was titled "The Day After 
> Tomorrow"? 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "B Smith"  
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 9:22:24 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: 10 underated depictions of the apocalypse 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> As I said in another post I'm not a fan but it's very good. 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson  wrote: 
> > 
> > But number six is the movie "Testament"! At last! How many times have I 
> > crowed right here about what a beautiful, poignant film that is. I think i 
> > just posted about it in the last few weeks. "Testament" is often lost 
> > amidst the memories of the showier, and far less resonant TV miniseries 
> > "The Day After". That last is still very good, and has some frightening 
> > scenes of nuclear winter--Carl Sagan was an advisor after all. But 
> > "Testament" has a much closer-to-home human impact that's far more 
> > devastating. 
> > I've never read "Y: the Last Man". Should I? 
> > 
> > 
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Martin Baxter"  
> > To: "SciFiNoir2" < scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > 
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:43:03 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] 10 underated depictions of the apocalypse 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > How "Children of Men" falls so far down on that list is beyond me... that 
> > Emmerich dreck should be holding up the bottom, IMO. 
> > 
> > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in 
> > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> > From: ravenadal@ 
> > Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:30:25 + 
> > Subject: [scifinoir2] 10 underated depictions of the apocalypse 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > http://woyita.notlong.com 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. Sign up 
> > now. 
> >
>

[scifinoir2] Re: New V series- second episode -language

[B Smith]

Hindi perhaps? ;)

Bollywood movies are one form of geekdom that will never be on my plate. I have 
a switch in my brain that turns on during musical numbers and I'm completely 
taken out of the experience. 

I hate the fear of subtitles. Movies like REC, Ju-on(The Grudge), Kairo(Pulse), 
La Femme Nikita and tons of others have inferior Americam remakes because 
people don't like subtitles. The Ring and The Departed are recent exceptions 
but even they are not better than the originals.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>
> I agree with that. People get stuck on stupid when it comes to subtitles.
> Crouching tiger, hidden dragon did much better in the theater after they
> came out with the dubbed version for example. Unfortunately, a lot of great
> films have subtitles.
> 
> Has anyone watched any Bollywood movies? They suffer from really bad
> subtitle work. The actors often speak in 70% Farsi and 30% English. Often
> you can hear the dialog in English before the subtitles are printed on the
> screen and they are often wrong.
> 
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > This is America we're talking about. Most of my friends--some ardent
> > moviegoers--avoid subtitles like the plague!
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Martin Baxter" 
> > To: "SciFiNoir2" 
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:31:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] New V series- second episode -language
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm with you, Sin. Up against the cost of the FX, how much more can simple
> > subtitles set you back?
> >
> > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > From: sincere1...@...
> > Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 03:05:10 +
> > Subject: [scifinoir2] New V series- second episode -language
> >
> >
> >  One question- (this was a pet peeve of mine from the original)... why
> > don't the Visitors ever speak their own language even when they're among
> > themselves? I'd take just a few verses of Parseltongue. Anything. Go a long
> > way in creating authenticity. I thought they'd correct that seeming faux pas
> > in the re-make.
> >
> > Sin / BG
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Bing brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. Try it
> > now.
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 10 underated depictions of the apocalypse

[Keith Johnson]

Not a fan of "Testament"? Why is that? What about "The Day After"?  And 
curious, isn't it, that Emerich's disaster flick was titled "The Day After 
Tomorrow"? 


- Original Message - 
From: "B Smith"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 9:22:24 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: 10 underated depictions of the apocalypse 

  




As I said in another post I'm not a fan but it's very good. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson  wrote: 
> 
> But number six is the movie "Testament"! At last! How many times have I 
> crowed right here about what a beautiful, poignant film that is. I think i 
> just posted about it in the last few weeks. "Testament" is often lost amidst 
> the memories of the showier, and far less resonant TV miniseries "The Day 
> After". That last is still very good, and has some frightening scenes of 
> nuclear winter--Carl Sagan was an advisor after all. But "Testament" has a 
> much closer-to-home human impact that's far more devastating. 
> I've never read "Y: the Last Man". Should I? 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Martin Baxter"  
> To: "SciFiNoir2" < scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:43:03 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] 10 underated depictions of the apocalypse 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> How "Children of Men" falls so far down on that list is beyond me... that 
> Emmerich dreck should be holding up the bottom, IMO. 
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> From: ravena...@... 
> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:30:25 + 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] 10 underated depictions of the apocalypse 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> http://woyita.notlong.com 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. Sign up 
> now. 
> 

[scifinoir2] Re: 10 underated depictions of the apocalypse

[B Smith]

As I said in another post I'm not a fan but it's very good.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:
>
> But number six is the movie "Testament"! At last! How many times have I 
> crowed right here about what a beautiful, poignant film that is. I think i 
> just posted about it in the last few weeks. "Testament" is often lost amidst 
> the memories of the showier, and far less resonant TV miniseries "The Day 
> After". That last is still very good, and has some frightening scenes of 
> nuclear winter--Carl Sagan was an advisor after all. But "Testament" has a 
> much closer-to-home human impact that's far more devastating. 
> I've never read "Y: the Last Man". Should I? 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Martin Baxter"  
> To: "SciFiNoir2"  
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:43:03 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] 10 underated depictions of the apocalypse 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> How "Children of Men" falls so far down on that list is beyond me... that 
> Emmerich dreck should be holding up the bottom, IMO. 
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> From: ravena...@... 
> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:30:25 + 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] 10 underated depictions of the apocalypse 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> http://woyita.notlong.com 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now.
>