[scifinoir2] Fw: World Science: Do black holes zap galaxies into existence?

[Amy Harlib]

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Cool science stuff.

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Subject: World Science: Do black holes zap galaxies into existence?


* Do black holes zap galaxies into existence?
Astronomers say they may have solved a long-debated
chicken-and-egg problem.

http://www.world-science.net/othernews/091201_galaxy


* From chimps, new clues to language origins:
Chimps seem to use the left half of the brain to
communicate with gestures -- just as humans do to
talk, researchers have found.

http://www.world-science.net/othernews/091116_chimps


* Particle smasher becomes world's most 
powerful:
After a year of troubles, the Large Hadron Collider
is back.

http://www.world-science.net/othernews/091130_lhc


* Our oceans, extraterrestrial material?:
A conventional view that the atmosphere and oceans
came from vapors emitted during volcanism may be
wrong, a study says.

http://www.world-science.net/othernews/091117_oceans.htm


* America's food waste laying "waste" to 
environment:
Food waste contributes to global warming,
researchers warn.

http://www.world-science.net/othernews/091125_waste


* How could they? Poop-eating apes prompt 
quest for answers:
Nature can be beautiful. Elegant. Graceful. But 
not always.

http://www.world-science.net/exclusives/091110_coprophagy


* Video shows Saturn's northern lights:
http://www.world-science.net/othernews/091127_auroras
* Scientists make plastic without using 
fossil fuels:
http://www.world-science.net/othernews/091124_plastic
* Road rage? Gas fumes may heighten 
aggression:
http://www.world-science.net/othernews/091123_vapor
* Blame game is "contagious":
http://www.world-science.net/othernews/091120_blame
* Dung evidence exonerates humans in 
mammoth mystery:
http://www.world-science.net/othernews/091119_mammoth
* Lunar water "confirmed":
http://www.world-science.net/othernews/091113_moon
* Stars' chemistry could give away 
planetary presence:
http://www.world-science.net/othernews/09_lithium
* Ants could inspire military strategies:
http://www.world-science.net/othernews/09_ant-strategies
* Language learning may start in womb:
http://www.world-science.net/othernews/091105_babies






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[scifinoir2] Re: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4

[Kelwyn]

I second the emotion on "Jumper."  My daughter and I watch it every time it 
comes on.

(but, then again, teleportation IS my favorite super power).

~rave!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> You know what? I didn't hate "Jumper". It was weak, for sure, but there was a 
> lot to like about it. My wife and I saw it with a crowd on a Saturday night, 
> and had no regrets. Sure, Sam Jackson overacted, they didn't really explain 
> why his group felt Jumpers were an abomination in God's eyes.  Hayden 
> Christenson is not exactly a scintillating actor, which was a big problem. 
> The script was a bit spare, the movie too short, and some key things left 
> unfulfilled.  (ringing endorsement, eh?!) 
> 
> 
> 
> But all that being said, it was still an enjoyable time waster. The jumping 
> was good, and the possibilities only hinted at here are limitless. In some 
> ways it reminds me of the first X-Men movie, which, while defintely way 
> better in comparison, was also a bit rushed, light on plotting, and curtailed 
> in storytelling. I'm thinking that, like X2, maybe Jumper 2 can round off 
> those rough edges and show the promise I saw and enjoyed in the first. 
> 
> 
> 
> I have no evidence of this at all, but the first flick seemed to be one of 
> those put together after studio/director wrangling, budget issues, rewrites, 
> and a rushed shooting schedule. 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Martin Baxter"  
> To: "SciFiNoir2" , cinque3...@..., ggs...@..., 
> cdemorse...@... 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2009 3:53:23 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul Greengrass 
> quits Bourne 4 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Let's all channel these thoughts... 
> 
> "Mister Liman... 'Jumper 2' is CRAP... move back to 'Bourne'..." 
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com; cinque3...@...; ggs...@...; cdemorse...@... 
> From: tdli...@... 
> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:48:29 -0800 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul Greengrass quits 
> Bourne 4 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> he slow development of the fourth Jason Bourne flick took another hit today 
> as director Paul Greengrass - a man as intricately linked to the films as 
> star Matt Damon himself - walked out on the project in a row over the script. 
> 
> Details are still sketchy, but it would appear that Greengrass wasn't happy 
> when Universal brought in up-and-coming writer Josh Zetumer to work on a 
> 'parallel' screenplay for the film, rewriting the one already penned by 
> Ocean's 12 's George Nolfi. 
> 
> Greengrass has already been under pressure from Universal over the way he's 
> handled the budget on the forthcoming Green Zone , which has suffered 
> reshoots and a $150 million pricetag. 
> http://mos.totalfilm.com/images/p/paul-greengrass-quits-bourne-4-00-420-75.jpg
> 
> If Greengrass has left Bourne 4 for good (and it's early days yet - he could 
> be lured back), Damon could well decide to remain loyal to him and refuse to 
> shoot with anyone else. 
> Pure speculation, of course, but Greengrass has made the franchise his own 
> and it's hard to imagine anyone else swinging in to the rescue. 
> Unless, that is, Bourne Identity director Doug Liman fancies a break from 
> Jumper 2 and mourning his cancelled Knight Rider TV reboot... 
>   Without Greengrass, will Bourne be the same? Should Damon stick by his 
> side? Sound off below... 
> 
> 
> http://www.totalfilm.com/news/paul-greengrass-quits-bourne-4?cid=OTC-RSS&attr=news&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+totalfilm%2Fimdbnews+%28Total+Film+IMDb+aggregate%29
>  
> 
> 
> 
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>

[scifinoir2] Re: Steven Seagal: Lawman

[Kelwyn]

I saw the commercial for this and my visceral reaction was "really?"

~(no)rave!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>
> Starts tomorrow 10pm. Join me for the trainwreck... :)
>

Re: [scifinoir2] Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4

[Keith Johnson]

Agreed.
- Original Message -From: "Tracey de Morsella" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.comSent: Wednesday, December 2, 2009 1:00:04 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada EasternSubject: RE: [scifinoir2] Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4

  





I Liked it, but I was looking for scifi escapism.  I did not expect much.  It was one of those bad movies I liked and I look forward to the sequel.  However, I imagine that if I had read the book, I would be livid.  It could have been much more
 


From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith JohnsonSent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 9:42 PMTo: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [scifinoir2] Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4
 

You know what? I didn't hate "Jumper". It was weak, for sure, but there was a lot to like about it. My wife and I saw it with a crowd on a Saturday night, and had no regrets. Sure, Sam Jackson overacted, they didn't really explain why his group felt Jumpers were an abomination in God's eyes.  Hayden Christenson is not exactly a scintillating actor, which was a big problem. The script was a bit spare, the movie too short, and some key things left unfulfilled.  (ringing endorsement, eh?!)
 
But all that being said, it was still an enjoyable time waster. The jumping was good, and the possibilities only hinted at here are limitless. In some ways it reminds me of the first X-Men movie, which, while defintely way better in comparison, was also a bit rushed, light on plotting, and curtailed in storytelling. I'm thinking that, like X2, maybe Jumper 2 can round off those rough edges and show the promise I saw and enjoyed in the first.
 
I have no evidence of this at all, but the first flick seemed to be one of those put together after studio/director wrangling, budget issues, rewrites, and a rushed shooting schedule. 
- Original Message -From: "Martin Baxter" To: "SciFiNoir2" , cinque3...@verizon.net, ggs...@yahoo.com, cdemorse...@yahoo.comSent: Tuesday, December 1, 2009 3:53:23 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada EasternSubject: RE: [scifinoir2] Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4  



Let's all channel these thoughts..."Mister Liman... 'Jumper 2' is CRAP... move back to 'Bourne'...""If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Granthttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik



To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com; cinque3...@verizon.net; ggs...@yahoo.com; cdemorse...@yahoo.comFrom: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.comDate: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:48:29 -0800Subject: [scifinoir2] Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4  



 

he slow development of the fourth Jason Bourne flick took another hit today as director Paul Greengrass - a man as intricately linked to the films as star Matt Damon himself - walked out on the project in a row over the script.Details are still sketchy, but it would appear that Greengrass wasn't happy when Universal brought in up-and-coming writer Josh Zetumer to work on a 'parallel' screenplay for the film, rewriting the one already penned by Ocean's 12's George Nolfi.Greengrass has already been under pressure from Universal over the way he's handled the budget on the forthcoming Green Zone, which has suffered reshoots and a $150 million pricetag.If Greengrass has left Bourne 4 for good (and it's early days yet - he could be lured back), Damon could well decide to remain loyal to him and refuse to shoot with anyone else.Pure speculation, of course, but Greengrass has made the franchise his own and it's hard to imagine anyone else swinging in to the rescue.Unless, that is, Bourne Identity director Doug Liman fancies a break from Jumper 2 and mourning his cancelled Knight Rider TV reboot... Without Greengrass, will Bourne be the same? Should Damon stick by his side? Sound off below...
http://www.totalfilm.com/news/paul-greengrass-quits-bourne-4?cid=OTC-RSS&attr=news&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+totalfilm%2Fimdbnews+%28Total+Film+IMDb+aggregate%29
 
 



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[scifinoir2] Lightsabers are possible

[Kelwyn]

http://mkaku.org/

Michio Kaku is a theoretical physicist and host of "Sci-Fi Science" on the 
Science Channel. He says "no law of physics" prevents the creation of 
lightsabers.  Watch video.

[scifinoir2] Spooky similarity between Obama and Spock

[Kelwyn]

Nimoy said he ran into Obama during the 2008 presidential campaign in a Los 
Angeles hotel: "When he arrived and saw me he said, 'They told me you were 
here.' And gave me the split-fingered Vulcan sign."

www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-talk-obama-mr-spockdec02,0,4238139.story

chicagotribune.com

In Obama and Spock, fans see spooky similarity

Leader's deliberative mien draws some ire but inspires Trekkies

The Associated Press

December 2, 2009


WASHINGTON -- He shows a fascination with science, an all-too-deliberate 
decision-making demeanor, an adherence to logic and some pretty, ahem, 
prominent ears.

They all add up to a quite logical conclusion, at least for "Star Trek" fans: 
Barack Obama is Washington's Mr. Spock, the chief science officer for the ship 
of state.

"I guess it's somewhat unusual for a politician to be so precise, logical, in 
his thought process," actor Leonard Nimoy, who has portrayed Spock for more 
than 40 years, told The Associated Press via e-mail. "The comparison to Spock 
is, in my opinion, a compliment to him and to the character."

Until now.

Obama's protracted decision-making on a new war strategy in Afghanistan, for 
example, prompted criticisms that he's too deliberate. Former Vice President 
Dick Cheney, former vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin and other 
conservatives faulted Obama for "dithering."

But geeks insist he's gone where no nerd has gone before. In his first 10 
months in office, the president made more science-oriented trips than military 
ones.

"I keep being amazed at how much attention he's spending on science policy," 
said science policy and journalism blogger Chris Mooney, author of 
"Unscientific America: How Scientific Illiteracy Threatens Our Future."

"The nerds are happy," Mooney said. "They like Spock."

While some science policy experts don't quite see the similarities between the 
president and the fictional Vulcan, "Star Trek" experts do.

Nimoy said he ran into Obama during the 2008 presidential campaign in a Los 
Angeles hotel: "When he arrived and saw me he said, 'They told me you were 
here.' And gave me the split-fingered Vulcan sign."

Roberto Orci, the screenwriter and producer behind the latest "Star Trek" 
movie, said Obama "has a Spocklike aura about him: calm in the face of great 
adversity and looking for a logical middle ground." Obama, himself a big "Star 
Trek" fan, screened the movie at the White House during its May opening weekend.

"We knew he was a Trekkie," Orci said in a telephone interview. He said he 
watches the White House regularly for insight on the Spock character.

"To have a case study like that on the news every night makes my job a lot 
easier," he said.

Copyright © 2009, Chicago Tribune

Re: [scifinoir2] Spooky similarity between Obama and Spock

[Charles Sheehan-Miles]

Why am I not surprised that someone who argued for invading a country
different than the one which attacked us would criticize someone for ... god
forbid... actually deliberating a decision, and thinking about the
consequences and the strategy, before committing troops to war?

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Kelwyn  wrote:

>
>
> Nimoy said he ran into Obama during the 2008 presidential campaign in a Los
> Angeles hotel: "When he arrived and saw me he said, 'They told me you were
> here.' And gave me the split-fingered Vulcan sign."
>
> www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-talk-obama-mr-spockdec02,0,4238139.story
>
> chicagotribune.com
>
> In Obama and Spock, fans see spooky similarity
>
> Leader's deliberative mien draws some ire but inspires Trekkies
>
> The Associated Press
>
> December 2, 2009
>
> WASHINGTON -- He shows a fascination with science, an all-too-deliberate
> decision-making demeanor, an adherence to logic and some pretty, ahem,
> prominent ears.
>
> They all add up to a quite logical conclusion, at least for "Star Trek"
> fans: Barack Obama is Washington's Mr. Spock, the chief science officer for
> the ship of state.
>
> "I guess it's somewhat unusual for a politician to be so precise, logical,
> in his thought process," actor Leonard Nimoy, who has portrayed Spock for
> more than 40 years, told The Associated Press via e-mail. "The comparison to
> Spock is, in my opinion, a compliment to him and to the character."
>
> Until now.
>
> Obama's protracted decision-making on a new war strategy in Afghanistan,
> for example, prompted criticisms that he's too deliberate. Former Vice
> President Dick Cheney, former vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin and
> other conservatives faulted Obama for "dithering."
>
> But geeks insist he's gone where no nerd has gone before. In his first 10
> months in office, the president made more science-oriented trips than
> military ones.
>
> "I keep being amazed at how much attention he's spending on science
> policy," said science policy and journalism blogger Chris Mooney, author of
> "Unscientific America: How Scientific Illiteracy Threatens Our Future."
>
> "The nerds are happy," Mooney said. "They like Spock."
>
> While some science policy experts don't quite see the similarities between
> the president and the fictional Vulcan, "Star Trek" experts do.
>
> Nimoy said he ran into Obama during the 2008 presidential campaign in a Los
> Angeles hotel: "When he arrived and saw me he said, 'They told me you were
> here.' And gave me the split-fingered Vulcan sign."
>
> Roberto Orci, the screenwriter and producer behind the latest "Star Trek"
> movie, said Obama "has a Spocklike aura about him: calm in the face of great
> adversity and looking for a logical middle ground." Obama, himself a big
> "Star Trek" fan, screened the movie at the White House during its May
> opening weekend.
>
> "We knew he was a Trekkie," Orci said in a telephone interview. He said he
> watches the White House regularly for insight on the Spock character.
>
> "To have a case study like that on the news every night makes my job a lot
> easier," he said.
>
> Copyright © 2009, Chicago Tribune
>
>  
>



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---
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202-412-2433 | char...@sheehanmiles.net
http://www.linkedin.com/in/sheehanmiles

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4

[Keith Johnson]

Yeah, teleportation is a good power, one of my favs too. Allows one to avoid 
danger, wreak all kinds of havoc(facing an army? No biggie: just 'port behind 
their lines, or 'port a bomb into their midst then skedaddle). I also like 
intangibility, as it's a great one for covert ops and resistance (avoidance) to 
injury. I like intagibility over invisibility because with the former you can 
get into and out of anything, while being invisible doesn't help if you can't 
pick the lock on a vault, or can't figure a way to get around pressure plates 
or temperature sensors. 



I like the standards of strength, speed, and invulnerability too, but I tend to 
lean toward powers that are more diverse in usage. Thus, for me it'd be strong 
telekenesis (flight, lifting objects, forcefields), or maybe manipulation of 
gravity or magnetic fields a la Graviton and Magneto. Those powers allow one to 
control just about everything. Also like Storms weather manipulation, which can 
be devastating on a large or small scale. 




- Original Message - 
From: "Kelwyn"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2009 9:52:23 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul Greengrass quits 
Bourne 4 

  




I second the emotion on "Jumper." My daughter and I watch it every time it 
comes on. 

(but, then again, teleportation IS my favorite super power). 

~rave! 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson  wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> You know what? I didn't hate "Jumper". It was weak, for sure, but there was a 
> lot to like about it. My wife and I saw it with a crowd on a Saturday night, 
> and had no regrets. Sure, Sam Jackson overacted, they didn't really explain 
> why his group felt Jumpers were an abomination in God's eyes.  Hayden 
> Christenson is not exactly a scintillating actor, which was a big problem. 
> The script was a bit spare, the movie too short, and some key things left 
> unfulfilled.  (ringing endorsement, eh?!) 
> 
> 
> 
> But all that being said, it was still an enjoyable time waster. The jumping 
> was good, and the possibilities only hinted at here are limitless. In some 
> ways it reminds me of the first X-Men movie, which, while defintely way 
> better in comparison, was also a bit rushed, light on plotting, and curtailed 
> in storytelling. I'm thinking that, like X2, maybe Jumper 2 can round off 
> those rough edges and show the promise I saw and enjoyed in the first. 
> 
> 
> 
> I have no evidence of this at all, but the first flick seemed to be one of 
> those put together after studio/director wrangling, budget issues, rewrites, 
> and a rushed shooting schedule. 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Martin Baxter"  
> To: "SciFiNoir2" < scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com >, cinque3...@..., ggs...@..., 
> cdemorse...@... 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2009 3:53:23 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul Greengrass 
> quits Bourne 4 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Let's all channel these thoughts... 
> 
> "Mister Liman... 'Jumper 2' is CRAP... move back to 'Bourne'..." 
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ; cinque3...@...; ggs...@...; cdemorse...@... 
> From: tdli...@... 
> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:48:29 -0800 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul Greengrass quits 
> Bourne 4 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> he slow development of the fourth Jason Bourne flick took another hit today 
> as director Paul Greengrass - a man as intricately linked to the films as 
> star Matt Damon himself - walked out on the project in a row over the script. 
> 
> Details are still sketchy, but it would appear that Greengrass wasn't happy 
> when Universal brought in up-and-coming writer Josh Zetumer to work on a 
> 'parallel' screenplay for the film, rewriting the one already penned by 
> Ocean's 12 's George Nolfi. 
> 
> Greengrass has already been under pressure from Universal over the way he's 
> handled the budget on the forthcoming Green Zone , which has suffered 
> reshoots and a $150 million pricetag. 
> http://mos.totalfilm.com/images/p/paul-greengrass-quits-bourne-4-00-420-75.jpg
>  
> 
> If Greengrass has left Bourne 4 for good (and it's early days yet - he could 
> be lured back), Damon could well decide to remain loyal to him and refuse to 
> shoot with anyone else. 
> Pure speculation, of course, but Greengrass has made the franchise his own 
> and it's hard to imagine anyone else swinging in to the rescue. 
> Unless, that is, Bourne Identity director Doug Liman fancies a break from 
> Jumper 2 and mourning his cancelled Knight Rider TV reboot... 
>   Without Greengrass, will Bourne be the same? Should Damon stick by his 
> side? Sound off below... 
> 
> 
> http://www.tot

Re: [scifinoir2] Lightsabers are possible

[Mr. Worf]

Yea he has a series on topics like that. He also believes that it is
possible to create a starship. Just a year ago they poopooed all of the
technologies that were in scifi movies. Then people remembered that they did
the same thing when talking about the original star trek. I believe that it
is all possible because all it takes is a different approach to the problem
and then we see a completely different solution.

Maybe they should ask scifi writers for a little insight? :)

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Kelwyn  wrote:

> http://mkaku.org/
>
> Michio Kaku is a theoretical physicist and host of "Sci-Fi Science" on the
> Science Channel. He says "no law of physics" prevents the creation of
> lightsabers.  Watch video.
>
>
>
> 
>
> Post your SciFiNoir Profile at
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo!
> Groups Links
>
>
>
>


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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Steven Seagal: Lawman

[Mr. Worf]

I found out that he is in a little town in Georgia so you guys better watch
out down there! :)

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 6:53 AM, Kelwyn  wrote:

> I saw the commercial for this and my visceral reaction was "really?"
>
> ~(no)rave!
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
> >
> > Starts tomorrow 10pm. Join me for the trainwreck... :)
> >
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> Post your SciFiNoir Profile at
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo!
> Groups Links
>
>
>
>


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[scifinoir2] Re: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4

[Kelwyn]

Wow.  I am just Pinky to your Brain! (I guess we can say you have thought about 
this).

~rave!

The Brain: Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering? 
Pinky: I think so, Brain, but if they called them "sad meals" no one would buy 
them. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Yeah, teleportation is a good power, one of my favs too. Allows one to avoid 
> danger, wreak all kinds of havoc(facing an army? No biggie: just 'port behind 
> their lines, or 'port a bomb into their midst then skedaddle). I also like 
> intangibility, as it's a great one for covert ops and resistance (avoidance) 
> to injury. I like intagibility over invisibility because with the former you 
> can get into and out of anything, while being invisible doesn't help if you 
> can't pick the lock on a vault, or can't figure a way to get around pressure 
> plates or temperature sensors. 
> 
> 
> 
> I like the standards of strength, speed, and invulnerability too, but I tend 
> to lean toward powers that are more diverse in usage. Thus, for me it'd be 
> strong telekenesis (flight, lifting objects, forcefields), or maybe 
> manipulation of gravity or magnetic fields a la Graviton and Magneto. Those 
> powers allow one to control just about everything. Also like Storms weather 
> manipulation, which can be devastating on a large or small scale. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Kelwyn"  
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2009 9:52:23 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul Greengrass 
> quits Bourne 4 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I second the emotion on "Jumper." My daughter and I watch it every time it 
> comes on. 
> 
> (but, then again, teleportation IS my favorite super power). 
> 
> ~rave! 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson  wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > You know what? I didn't hate "Jumper". It was weak, for sure, but there was 
> > a lot to like about it. My wife and I saw it with a crowd on a Saturday 
> > night, and had no regrets. Sure, Sam Jackson overacted, they didn't really 
> > explain why his group felt Jumpers were an abomination in God's eyes.  
> > Hayden Christenson is not exactly a scintillating actor, which was a big 
> > problem. The script was a bit spare, the movie too short, and some key 
> > things left unfulfilled.  (ringing endorsement, eh?!) 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > But all that being said, it was still an enjoyable time waster. The jumping 
> > was good, and the possibilities only hinted at here are limitless. In some 
> > ways it reminds me of the first X-Men movie, which, while defintely way 
> > better in comparison, was also a bit rushed, light on plotting, and 
> > curtailed in storytelling. I'm thinking that, like X2, maybe Jumper 2 can 
> > round off those rough edges and show the promise I saw and enjoyed in the 
> > first. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I have no evidence of this at all, but the first flick seemed to be one of 
> > those put together after studio/director wrangling, budget issues, 
> > rewrites, and a rushed shooting schedule. 
> > 
> > 
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Martin Baxter"  
> > To: "SciFiNoir2" < scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com >, cinque3000@, ggszig@, 
> > cdemorsella@ 
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2009 3:53:23 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul Greengrass 
> > quits Bourne 4 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Let's all channel these thoughts... 
> > 
> > "Mister Liman... 'Jumper 2' is CRAP... move back to 'Bourne'..." 
> > 
> > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in 
> > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ; cinque3000@; ggszig@; cdemorsella@ 
> > From: tdlists@ 
> > Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:48:29 -0800 
> > Subject: [scifinoir2] Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul Greengrass quits 
> > Bourne 4 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > he slow development of the fourth Jason Bourne flick took another hit today 
> > as director Paul Greengrass - a man as intricately linked to the films as 
> > star Matt Damon himself - walked out on the project in a row over the 
> > script. 
> > 
> > Details are still sketchy, but it would appear that Greengrass wasn't happy 
> > when Universal brought in up-and-coming writer Josh Zetumer to work on a 
> > 'parallel' screenplay for the film, rewriting the one already penned by 
> > Ocean's 12 's George Nolfi. 
> > 
> > Greengrass has already been under pressure from Universal over the way he's 
> > handled the budget on the forthcoming Green Zone , which has suffered 
> > reshoots and a $150 million pricetag. 
> > http://mos.totalfilm.com/images/p/paul-greengrass-quits-bourne-4-00-420-75.jpg
> >  
> > 
> > If Greengrass has left Bourne 4 for good (and it's 

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Steven Seagal: Lawman

[Martin Baxter]

Puh-LEEZE, Mr Worf. He's as wide as he is tall, from the snippets I've seen. If 
I were of a criminal nature, and I ran across him, he'd end up vertical. 
(They'd probably catch me anyway, because I'd be LMNAATWO.)

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 11:29:00 -0800
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Steven Seagal: Lawman


















 



  



  
  
  I found out that he is in a little town in Georgia so you guys better 
watch out down there! :) 


On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 6:53 AM, Kelwyn  wrote:

I saw the commercial for this and my visceral reaction was "really?"



~(no)rave!



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>

> Starts tomorrow 10pm. Join me for the trainwreck... :)

>













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RE: [scifinoir2] Lightsabers are possible

[Martin Baxter]

Mr Worf, from your keyboard to H'Wood's ear...

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




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From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 11:27:50 -0800
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Lightsabers are possible


















 



  



  
  
  Yea he has a series on topics like that. He also believes that it is 
possible to create a starship. Just a year ago they poopooed all of the 
technologies that were in scifi movies. Then people remembered that they did 
the same thing when talking about the original star trek. I believe that it is 
all possible because all it takes is a different approach to the problem and 
then we see a completely different solution. 


Maybe they should ask scifi writers for a little insight? :) 


On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Kelwyn  wrote:

http://mkaku.org/



Michio Kaku is a theoretical physicist and host of "Sci-Fi Science" on the 
Science Channel. He says "no law of physics" prevents the creation of 
lightsabers.  Watch video.











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RE: [scifinoir2] Spooky similarity between Obama and Spock

[Martin Baxter]

Surprises me, Charles, and I'd thought I'd seen it all with the advent of the 
Drugster, Lonseome Rhodes Beck and Ms Palin.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: char...@sheehanmiles.net
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 13:15:46 -0500
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Spooky similarity between Obama and Spock


















 



  



  
  
  Why am I not surprised that someone who argued for invading a country 
different than the one which attacked us would criticize someone for ... god 
forbid... actually deliberating a decision, and thinking about the consequences 
and the strategy, before committing troops to war?



On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Kelwyn  wrote:
















 



  



  
  
  Nimoy said he ran into Obama during the 2008 presidential campaign in a 
Los Angeles hotel: "When he arrived and saw me he said, 'They told me you were 
here.' And gave me the split-fingered Vulcan sign."




www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-talk-obama-mr-spockdec02,0,4238139.story



chicagotribune.com



In Obama and Spock, fans see spooky similarity



Leader's deliberative mien draws some ire but inspires Trekkies



The Associated Press



December 2, 2009



WASHINGTON -- He shows a fascination with science, an all-too-deliberate 
decision-making demeanor, an adherence to logic and some pretty, ahem, 
prominent ears.



They all add up to a quite logical conclusion, at least for "Star Trek" fans: 
Barack Obama is Washington's Mr. Spock, the chief science officer for the ship 
of state.



"I guess it's somewhat unusual for a politician to be so precise, logical, in 
his thought process," actor Leonard Nimoy, who has portrayed Spock for more 
than 40 years, told The Associated Press via e-mail. "The comparison to Spock 
is, in my opinion, a compliment to him and to the character."




Until now.



Obama's protracted decision-making on a new war strategy in Afghanistan, for 
example, prompted criticisms that he's too deliberate. Former Vice President 
Dick Cheney, former vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin and other 
conservatives faulted Obama for "dithering."




But geeks insist he's gone where no nerd has gone before. In his first 10 
months in office, the president made more science-oriented trips than military 
ones.



"I keep being amazed at how much attention he's spending on science policy," 
said science policy and journalism blogger Chris Mooney, author of 
"Unscientific America: How Scientific Illiteracy Threatens Our Future."




"The nerds are happy," Mooney said. "They like Spock."



While some science policy experts don't quite see the similarities between the 
president and the fictional Vulcan, "Star Trek" experts do.



Nimoy said he ran into Obama during the 2008 presidential campaign in a Los 
Angeles hotel: "When he arrived and saw me he said, 'They told me you were 
here.' And gave me the split-fingered Vulcan sign."




Roberto Orci, the screenwriter and producer behind the latest "Star Trek" 
movie, said Obama "has a Spocklike aura about him: calm in the face of great 
adversity and looking for a logical middle ground." Obama, himself a big "Star 
Trek" fan, screened the movie at the White House during its May opening weekend.




"We knew he was a Trekkie," Orci said in a telephone interview. He said he 
watches the White House regularly for insight on the Spock character.



"To have a case study like that on the news every night makes my job a lot 
easier," he said.



Copyright © 2009, Chicago Tribune







 









  








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RE: [scifinoir2] Fw: World Science: Do black holes zap galaxies into existence?

[Martin Baxter]

Interesting. Thanks, Amy!

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: ahar...@earthlink.net
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 05:32:13 -0500
Subject: [scifinoir2] Fw: World Science: Do black holes zap galaxies into 
existence?


















 



  



  
  
  



 
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Cool science stuff.
 
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* Do black holes 
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http://www.world-science.net/othernews/091201_galaxy


* 
>From chimps, 
new clues to language origins:
Chimps seem to use the left half of 
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researchers have found.

http://www.world-science.net/othernews/091116_chimps


* 
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* Our oceans, 
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RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Will Atlanta Elect Another Black Mayor?

[Martin Baxter]

Keith, last I looked (about nine of the ante, before the DirecTV guy began 
working here), the margin was down to about seven hundred votes. Reed made a 
live appearance on "Good Day Atlanta", continuing to declare himself the victor.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 05:29:39 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Will Atlanta Elect Another Black Mayor?


















 



  



  
  
  
http://projects.ajc.com/election-results/2009/12/01/metro-atlanta-runoff-races/

 

As of this writing (12:28 am) Kasim Reed is ahead by a couple thousand votes, 
and is calling himself the next mayor of Atlanta.

 

Fascinating. I wonder if Reed will be mayor when I get up in six hours? 
Whatever happens, I hope this serves as a reminder for black folk to get back 
out and vote in all elections, not just the Presidential one. From the get-go, 
there was an issue of black voters and low turnout, though to be fair, all 
races made lackluster showings. But as is often the case, there are a greater 
number of blacks who stay home who could turn the tide than with whites.

So, if Reed wins, it'll be a close call that should put a scare in people.

 

The other thing i must say, is that this is also a lesson for Reed and his 
fellows. No one--not even her supporters--claims that Mary Norwood has actually 
done a lot in terms of passing laws and doing the day-to-day work to run 
government. But a lot of people acknowledge she's been out there in the 
community, actually listening to regular folk. Now, outgoing mayor Shirley 
Franklin dismissively says Norwood has simply been campaigning for mayor for 
several years rather than actually working. But truth is, a lot of 
people--including a significant percentage of blacks--felt she was more of the 
people's person who understand their plight. Reed was seen as part of the power 
structure, part of the elite that simply keeps its own in power while the city 
suffered major financial woes.

 

In some ways, those perceptions of Average Jane Norwood and Inner Circle Member 
Reed were at least as important as raw racial divides. Even the gay 
community--which in Atlanta has a huge voice that's white and often has serious 
racial issues of its own--was split equally between the two.  So note to 
whomever wins: better start listening and talking to the folks again

 

By the by, I don't officially live in Atlanta, so this doesn't directly affect 
me. Indirectly? Of course, in huge ways. But my immediate government is 
actually the county of Dekalb, where I live (as does Martin). Atlanta's one of 
those cities where most of the surrounding area is simply lumped under its name.

 

 


 




 









  
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RE: [scifinoir2] "Pawn Stars" an Entertaining Show

[Martin Baxter]

Hearing that, keith, I just might give it a go. As soon as I figure out where 
the History Channel is now...

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 05:02:33 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Pawn Stars" an Entertaining Show


















 



  



  
  
  
This is one of those shows where the term "reality TV" isn't exactly accurate. 
Reality TV casts a wide net, and most of the stuff it gathers in is crap, true. 
But often much of that stuff is so heavily scripted --despite claims-- that 
it's very artificial. And much is just junk. This is more interesting, more 
like documentary TV like back in the old days.

 

 


- Original Message -
From: "Martin Baxter" 
To: "SciFiNoir2" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2009 4:05:56 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Pawn Stars" an Entertaining Show



  




Keith, I'd love to give it a try, especially since I once wrote a story about a 
pawn shop that was far more than it seemed, but I break out into hives at the 
thought of reality TV.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik







To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 05:13:59 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] "Pawn Stars" an Entertaining Show

  




http://www.history.com/content/pawn-stars
 
You know, it's odd that in a season of flashes forward into the future, gates 
into other parts of the universe, and visitors from another planet, I should 
find myself in some ways more interested in this quirky show. Ever watched it? 
It's actually hilarious. It follows a family-owned pawn shop that is way larger 
and more interesting than I'd ever have expected. I always thought of pawn 
shops as those borderline sleazy places where borderline sleazy guys rip you 
off for your mom's wedding ring or your kids' Xbox. But "Pawn Stars" shows a 
place that's way more diverse in what they buy and sell: WWII memorabalia, 
Native totems, Playboy magazines, old "death" clocks worth ten grand--you name 
it.
 
What I like about the show is that it's both informative and funny at the same 
time. Today for example, an expert was called in to assess some WWI uniforms a 
guy was trying to sell. The history behind the uniform--such as the fact that 
the pants were called "pinkies" because they had a slight pinkish sheen to 
them--was fascinating. They similarly try to find experts to help them assess 
everything from movie posters to swords, guitars to race cars, crossbows to 
airplanes (no fooling!) 
 
But more than just the interesting and curious things bought and sold is the 
humour. Some of the clients are a trip, such as the hippy-looking dude who 
tries to pawn off what looks like a crappy homemade piece of crap as an Indina 
totem.  Or the older lady who brings in a box of one hundred Playboys, and 
watching the young employee who has to go through the collection to price it. 
"Can I wear gloves?" she laments. There are some really, really quirky people 
buying and selling stuff here, from the obviously rich and sophisticated, to 
the down and out, and just plain crazy.
 
And the family that runs this place is the funniest of all. There's the old 
codger who started it, a grizzled, cranky old fart who negotiates ruthlessly, 
curses all the time, and complains about--everything. Pops is funny, obviously 
running the show, always critiquing his son and grandson especially. But don't 
let "The Old Man" fool you: he turned a 10K investment into a multi million 
dollar business! then there's his son, Rick, who's also a sharp businessman. He 
has a way of being both hard and engaging at the same time. Both the Old Man 
and Rick often despair of third generation guy "Big Hoss" and his childhood 
friend "Chumley" (named after the walrus from "Tennessee Tuxedo). they feel the 
boys are a combination of soft, lazy, and clueless at times when it comes to 
spotting fakes or stolen items, or driving hard bargains. Half the fun of the 
show is watching all the various character dynamics play out, as the whole gang 
laughs and fusses, complains and cussess, as the decidedly odd items and 
customers drift in and out of the store.
 
"Pawn Stars" really is entertaining. It has the basics of a good comedy right 
there in its real life events, and holds my attention more than much of the 
scripted stuff on TV nowadays. So much so, in fact, I've been watching the 
current marathon on now for a couple of hours, even though i was also trying to 
watch the Saints whip the pants off the hated Patriots!

 





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RE: [scifinoir2] Reboot This! 10 Sci-Fi TV Shows Ready for Upgrade

[Martin Baxter]

Mr Worf, considering the off-kilter quality of the last two TZ reboots, I want 
all hands *off* it. As for "Buck Rogers", don't know if you (or anyone else) 
caught the comic reboot of it. It was pretty cool, and might lend itself well 
to a small-screen restart. (Not that I'm backing such, mind you. Just tossing 
ideas.) Siffy canNOT be allowed near "The Middleman".

And "Bebop" lives in animation ONLY, done by someone NOT American. (Not even 
ME.)

Martin (Bebop Fan #2)

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 21:00:04 -0800
Subject: [scifinoir2] Reboot This! 10 Sci-Fi TV Shows Ready for Upgrade


















 



  



  
  
  
Reboot This! 10 Sci-Fi TV Shows Ready for Upgrade



By Scott Thill



December 1, 2009 | 

4:53 pm | 

   Categories: sci-fi,  television










The operating systems of Star Trek, The Prisoner, Astro Boy and V have all been 
rebooted for Generation Xbox this year, with varying degrees of success.

What science fiction series is next for a 21st-century upgrade? Try
stuffing these 10 television shows in your replicators. With the right
approaches, these series – some old, some new – could all be turned
into TV that is both thought-provoking and entertaining.

Have your own ideas for sci-fi reboots that really ought to happen? Let us know 
in the comments below.





Buck Rogers
This show is perhaps an obvious choice, given the acclaimed reboot of 
Battlestar Galactica, the prime-time compatriot of Buck Rogers in the 25th 
Century. The two original ’70s television shows represented underwhelming 
attempts at capitalizing on the success of Star Wars (although the Buck Rogers 
lineage extends back to the ’40s and influenced auteurs like George Lucas).


A cerebral, thorough reimagining of Buck Rogers — building on the intrepid 
character introduced in Amazing Stories and developed in the first sci-fi radio 
show – could reap futuristic fruit. (We’re hoping Frank Miller can bring Buck 
Rogers to movie screens successfully, but after seeing what he did to The 
Spirit, that’s perhaps misguided.)


The Twilight Zone
No show on television resembles Rod Serling’s episodic sci-fi
series, which debuted in 1959 and wrapped five incredibly influential
seasons in 1964. Even the various series that followed, which shared The 
Twilight Zone’s name, haven’t been able to build on the original’s ambition or 
success. (Jason Alexander as Death?)


Maybe there’s no point polluting that good name any more, but it’s past time 
for a series like The Twilight Zone that marries psy-fi with sci-fi without 
blinking.



The Middleman
This hilarious, unfairly canceled sci-fi brain-fry masquerading as a
teen soap doesn’t actually need a reboot. Minus some unnecessarily cute
banter and quirkiness, the short-lived 2008 series was one of the
funniest shows on television, sci-fi or not.

The ABC Family series starred Art School Confidential’s Matt Keeslar, who was a 
brilliant mash of Twin Peaks‘ Agent Cooper and The X-Files‘ Fox Mulder. And 
executive producer Javier Grillo-Marxuach injected more inside sci-fi and 
comics info into a single episode of The Middleman than most series do in a 
season. Syfy or someone needs to resuscitate this life-form, by any means 
necessary.


Heroes
It might seem like cheating to insert a sci-fi show that is
currently in existence, but there are more than enough arguments to
support the contention that Heroes, in its current form, is dead on arrival.

Rather than exploring the boundless possibilities of an
ability-infested superhumanity, NBC’s show has offered full-frontal
assaults on reason and patience, often barely disguised as reactionary
moralism. (Plus, it probably has more blondes per capita than any show,
sci-fi or otherwise, on prime-time television.) Like Lost, Heroes can finish 
strong if its full potential is creatively unlocked. But the show might need to 
be killed so that it can live again.

The Prisoner
As I explained in my review of The Prisoner’s recent reboot, it’s not easy 
stumbling in the shadow of the late, great Patrick McGoohan. But that doesn’t 
mean AMC’s The Prisoner 2.0 is where the game should end.


McGoohan probed many dark corners of consumption, geopolitics and
technology in his ’60s show, and those types of concerns

RE: [scifinoir2] TV: Science trek

[Martin Baxter]

This, I will be drinking in. Thanks for the heads-up, Mr Worf!

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:42:34 -0800
Subject: [scifinoir2] TV: Science trek


















 



  



  
  
  PBS has a new documentary that looks at the crossroads of science fiction 
and science fact. The show also incorporates clips from Star Trek and Star Trek 
the Next Generation shows. Quite a few interesting topics are covered and 
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RE: [scifinoir2] America's urgent wing crisis

[Martin Baxter]

No, I missed that. Must've been a busy day.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 18:43:30 -0800
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] America's urgent wing crisis


















 



  



  
  
  Did you see the riots that they had over free chicken earlier this year?


On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Martin Baxter  
wrote:


























Keith, brace for the rioting sure to break out here in Atlanta...

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: ravena...@yahoo.com
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:59:18 +

Subject: [scifinoir2] America's urgent wing crisis


















 



  



  
  
  www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-oped1127wings_newnov27,0,637059.story



chicagotribune.com



America's urgent wing crisis



By Dennis O'Toole



November 27, 2009



Look on my wings, ye hungry, and despair.



-- Percy Bysshe Shelley



The United States faces a severe chicken wing shortage, yet you'll be forgiven 
for not knowing this. The media are distracted by less important shortages, 
like flu vaccines and full-time jobs. The talking heads of cable TV prattle on 
about the usual nonsense: the war in Iraq, the war in Afghanistan, the on-going 
financial crisis, our broken health care system, and the increasing likelihood 
of mass extinctions from global warming.




I'm sorry, am I boring you?



Probably. What the media don't understand is: We have bigger pieces of meat to 
fry. Chicken breasts, namely, since the price of wings now rivals that of 
cocaine.



Early this month the U.S. Department of Agriculture reported -- in a tone I'd 
call alarmist were I not so freaked out myself -- that poultry production is 
down 3.5 percent. The USDA drove this point (and the knife) home Nov. 18, in 
its normally hilarious, "Weekly Estimated Slaughter of U.S. Broiler/Fryers and 
Fowl":




"The estimated number of broiler-fryers available for slaughter the week ending 
21-Nov-09 is 148.4 million head compared to 158.9 million head slaughtered the 
same week last year."



Let me put the chilling language of bureaucracy in terms you may better 
understand: There are 10.5 million fewer chickens to eat right now than a year 
ago, and, therefore, 21 million fewer wings. Demand, meanwhile, remains 
steadfast and unwavering. As a result, chicken breasts are cheaper than wings 
for the first time in the recorded history of things like this.




Bars and restaurants all over our once-great nation have responded by booting 
wings from the menu. Such an act of cowardice is akin to spitting on a bald 
eagle or putting an American flag in the dishwasher.



Worse, many of these treasonous trattorias have debased the wing by introducing 
the "boneless wing." I can barely type that phrase without vomiting. A boneless 
wing is an abomination, like a godless church, an Abe Lincoln-less penny, or an 
episode of "Family Matters" without Urkel. You simply cannot have a chicken 
wing without the bone and -- far, far more important -- the skin.




So what are these pretenders to the throne? Not wings at all, just pieces of 
breast meat! Wings are a delicacy thanks to the optimum skin-to-meat-to-bone 
ratio (exactly 1.618033). Breasts, on the other hand, are so tasteless that 
most cultures use them as packing material.




What is President Barack Obama doing about this?



Nothing.



Not once has he addressed Congress on the matter. Not once has he made a 
surprise visit to Baghdad to discuss it with his generals. Not once has he 
asked the Federal Drug Administration to release its hot sauce stockpile.




That's called socialism. I'm pretty sure, at least. As far as I can glean from 
current usage, socialism is whatever bothers me about Obama.



Mr. Obama: Stop dithering. Restore the 10-cent wing night. Make the boneless 
wing a felony. And bring back "Family Matters." God that Urkel was funny.



Dennis O'Toole is a writer and improv performer living in Chicago.



Copyright © 2009, Chicago Tribune







 









  
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Re: [scifinoir2] Spooky similarity between Obama and Spock

[Mr. Worf]

Hmmm so does that make John Biden Captain Kirk? Also does that make McCain =
John Wayne, and Palin= Annie Oakley?

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Martin Baxter
wrote:

>
>
> Surprises me, Charles, and I'd thought I'd seen it all with the advent of
> the Drugster, Lonseome Rhodes Beck and Ms Palin.
>
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: char...@sheehanmiles.net
> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 13:15:46 -0500
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Spooky similarity between Obama and Spock
>
>
>  Why am I not surprised that someone who argued for invading a country
> different than the one which attacked us would criticize someone for ... god
> forbid... actually deliberating a decision, and thinking about the
> consequences and the strategy, before committing troops to war?
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Kelwyn  wrote:
>
>
>  Nimoy said he ran into Obama during the 2008 presidential campaign in a
> Los Angeles hotel: "When he arrived and saw me he said, 'They told me you
> were here.' And gave me the split-fingered Vulcan sign."
>
> www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-talk-obama-mr-spockdec02,0,4238139.story
>
> chicagotribune.com
>
> In Obama and Spock, fans see spooky similarity
>
> Leader's deliberative mien draws some ire but inspires Trekkies
>
> The Associated Press
>
> December 2, 2009
>
> WASHINGTON -- He shows a fascination with science, an all-too-deliberate
> decision-making demeanor, an adherence to logic and some pretty, ahem,
> prominent ears.
>
> They all add up to a quite logical conclusion, at least for "Star Trek"
> fans: Barack Obama is Washington's Mr. Spock, the chief science officer for
> the ship of state.
>
> "I guess it's somewhat unusual for a politician to be so precise, logical,
> in his thought process," actor Leonard Nimoy, who has portrayed Spock for
> more than 40 years, told The Associated Press via e-mail. "The comparison to
> Spock is, in my opinion, a compliment to him and to the character."
>
> Until now.
>
> Obama's protracted decision-making on a new war strategy in Afghanistan,
> for example, prompted criticisms that he's too deliberate. Former Vice
> President Dick Cheney, former vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin and
> other conservatives faulted Obama for "dithering."
>
> But geeks insist he's gone where no nerd has gone before. In his first 10
> months in office, the president made more science-oriented trips than
> military ones.
>
> "I keep being amazed at how much attention he's spending on science
> policy," said science policy and journalism blogger Chris Mooney, author of
> "Unscientific America: How Scientific Illiteracy Threatens Our Future."
>
> "The nerds are happy," Mooney said. "They like Spock."
>
> While some science policy experts don't quite see the similarities between
> the president and the fictional Vulcan, "Star Trek" experts do.
>
> Nimoy said he ran into Obama during the 2008 presidential campaign in a Los
> Angeles hotel: "When he arrived and saw me he said, 'They told me you were
> here.' And gave me the split-fingered Vulcan sign."
>
> Roberto Orci, the screenwriter and producer behind the latest "Star Trek"
> movie, said Obama "has a Spocklike aura about him: calm in the face of great
> adversity and looking for a logical middle ground." Obama, himself a big
> "Star Trek" fan, screened the movie at the White House during its May
> opening weekend.
>
> "We knew he was a Trekkie," Orci said in a telephone interview. He said he
> watches the White House regularly for insight on the Spock character.
>
> "To have a case study like that on the news every night makes my job a lot
> easier," he said.
>
> Copyright © 2009, Chicago Tribune
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [scifinoir2] America's urgent wing crisis

[Mr. Worf]

Here is one of the videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlWNn_i_NoM&feature=related

There are a lot more. There were fights in line and the police was called.

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Martin Baxter
wrote:

>
>
> No, I missed that. Must've been a busy day.
>
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 18:43:30 -0800
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] America's urgent wing crisis
>
>
>  Did you see the riots that they had over free chicken earlier this year?
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Martin Baxter 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Keith, brace for the rioting sure to break out here in Atlanta...
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: ravena...@yahoo.com
> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:59:18 +
> Subject: [scifinoir2] America's urgent wing crisis
>
>
>  www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-oped1127wings_newnov27,0,637059.story
>
> chicagotribune.com
>
> America's urgent wing crisis
>
> By Dennis O'Toole
>
> November 27, 2009
>
> Look on my wings, ye hungry, and despair.
>
> -- Percy Bysshe Shelley
>
> The United States faces a severe chicken wing shortage, yet you'll be
> forgiven for not knowing this. The media are distracted by less important
> shortages, like flu vaccines and full-time jobs. The talking heads of cable
> TV prattle on about the usual nonsense: the war in Iraq, the war in
> Afghanistan, the on-going financial crisis, our broken health care system,
> and the increasing likelihood of mass extinctions from global warming.
>
> I'm sorry, am I boring you?
>
> Probably. What the media don't understand is: We have bigger pieces of meat
> to fry. Chicken breasts, namely, since the price of wings now rivals that of
> cocaine.
>
> Early this month the U.S. Department of Agriculture reported -- in a tone
> I'd call alarmist were I not so freaked out myself -- that poultry
> production is down 3.5 percent. The USDA drove this point (and the knife)
> home Nov. 18, in its normally hilarious, "Weekly Estimated Slaughter of U.S.
> Broiler/Fryers and Fowl":
>
> "The estimated number of broiler-fryers available for slaughter the week
> ending 21-Nov-09 is 148.4 million head compared to 158.9 million head
> slaughtered the same week last year."
>
> Let me put the chilling language of bureaucracy in terms you may better
> understand: There are 10.5 million fewer chickens to eat right now than a
> year ago, and, therefore, 21 million fewer wings. Demand, meanwhile, remains
> steadfast and unwavering. As a result, chicken breasts are cheaper than
> wings for the first time in the recorded history of things like this.
>
> Bars and restaurants all over our once-great nation have responded by
> booting wings from the menu. Such an act of cowardice is akin to spitting on
> a bald eagle or putting an American flag in the dishwasher.
>
> Worse, many of these treasonous trattorias have debased the wing by
> introducing the "boneless wing." I can barely type that phrase without
> vomiting. A boneless wing is an abomination, like a godless church, an Abe
> Lincoln-less penny, or an episode of "Family Matters" without Urkel. You
> simply cannot have a chicken wing without the bone and -- far, far more
> important -- the skin.
>
> So what are these pretenders to the throne? Not wings at all, just pieces
> of breast meat! Wings are a delicacy thanks to the optimum
> skin-to-meat-to-bone ratio (exactly 1.618033). Breasts, on the other hand,
> are so tasteless that most cultures use them as packing material.
>
> What is President Barack Obama doing about this?
>
> Nothing.
>
> Not once has he addressed Congress on the matter. Not once has he made a
> surprise visit to Baghdad to discuss it with his generals. Not once has he
> asked the Federal Drug Administration to release its hot sauce stockpile.
>
> That's called socialism. I'm pretty sure, at least. As far as I can glean
> from current usage, socialism is whatever bothers me about Obama.
>
> Mr. Obama: Stop dithering. Restore the 10-cent wing night. Make the
> boneless wing a felony. And bring back "Family Matters." God that Urkel was
> funny.
>
> Dennis O'Toole is a writer and improv performer living in Chicago.
>
> Copyright © 2009, Chicago Tribune
>
>
>
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Steven Seagal: Lawman

[Keith Johnson]

although, as a true master of akijutsu (not the watered down akido), he'd be 
formidable even with his current girth 


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From: "Martin Baxter"  
To: "SciFiNoir2"  
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2009 3:28:15 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Steven Seagal: Lawman 

  




Puh-LEEZE, Mr Worf. He's as wide as he is tall, from the snippets I've seen. If 
I were of a criminal nature, and I ran across him, he'd end up vertical. 
(They'd probably catch me anyway, because I'd be LMNAATWO.) 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com 
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 11:29:00 -0800 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Steven Seagal: Lawman 

  


I found out that he is in a little town in Georgia so you guys better watch out 
down there! :) 



On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 6:53 AM, Kelwyn < ravena...@yahoo.com > wrote: 


I saw the commercial for this and my visceral reaction was "really?" 

~(no)rave! 


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> 
> Starts tomorrow 10pm. Join me for the trainwreck... :) 
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RE: [scifinoir2] Spooky similarity between Obama and Spock

[Martin Baxter]

Mr Worf, I'm thinking that McCain = one of Jack Elam's many sidekicks...

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:49:04 -0800
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Spooky similarity between Obama and Spock


















 



  



  
  
  Hmmm so does that make John Biden Captain Kirk? Also does that make 
McCain = John Wayne, and Palin= Annie Oakley?


On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Martin Baxter  
wrote:


























Surprises me, Charles, and I'd thought I'd seen it all with the advent of the 
Drugster, Lonseome Rhodes Beck and Ms Palin.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

From: char...@sheehanmiles.net
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 13:15:46 -0500
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Spooky similarity between Obama and Spock


















 



  



  
  
  Why am I not surprised that someone who argued for invading a country 
different than the one which attacked us would criticize someone for ... god 
forbid... actually deliberating a decision, and thinking about the consequences 
and the strategy, before committing troops to war?




On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Kelwyn  wrote:
















 



  



  
  
  Nimoy said he ran into Obama during the 2008 presidential campaign in a 
Los Angeles hotel: "When he arrived and saw me he said, 'They told me you were 
here.' And gave me the split-fingered Vulcan sign."





www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-talk-obama-mr-spockdec02,0,4238139.story



chicagotribune.com



In Obama and Spock, fans see spooky similarity



Leader's deliberative mien draws some ire but inspires Trekkies



The Associated Press



December 2, 2009



WASHINGTON -- He shows a fascination with science, an all-too-deliberate 
decision-making demeanor, an adherence to logic and some pretty, ahem, 
prominent ears.



They all add up to a quite logical conclusion, at least for "Star Trek" fans: 
Barack Obama is Washington's Mr. Spock, the chief science officer for the ship 
of state.



"I guess it's somewhat unusual for a politician to be so precise, logical, in 
his thought process," actor Leonard Nimoy, who has portrayed Spock for more 
than 40 years, told The Associated Press via e-mail. "The comparison to Spock 
is, in my opinion, a compliment to him and to the character."





Until now.



Obama's protracted decision-making on a new war strategy in Afghanistan, for 
example, prompted criticisms that he's too deliberate. Former Vice President 
Dick Cheney, former vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin and other 
conservatives faulted Obama for "dithering."





But geeks insist he's gone where no nerd has gone before. In his first 10 
months in office, the president made more science-oriented trips than military 
ones.



"I keep being amazed at how much attention he's spending on science policy," 
said science policy and journalism blogger Chris Mooney, author of 
"Unscientific America: How Scientific Illiteracy Threatens Our Future."





"The nerds are happy," Mooney said. "They like Spock."



While some science policy experts don't quite see the similarities between the 
president and the fictional Vulcan, "Star Trek" experts do.



Nimoy said he ran into Obama during the 2008 presidential campaign in a Los 
Angeles hotel: "When he arrived and saw me he said, 'They told me you were 
here.' And gave me the split-fingered Vulcan sign."





Roberto Orci, the screenwriter and producer behind the latest "Star Trek" 
movie, said Obama "has a Spocklike aura about him: calm in the face of great 
adversity and looking for a logical middle ground." Obama, himself a big "Star 
Trek" fan, screened the movie at the White House during its May opening weekend.





"We knew he was a Trekkie," Orci said in a telephone interview. He said he 
watches the White House regularly for insight on the Spock character.



"To have a case study like that on the news every night makes my job a lot 
easier," he said.



Copyright © 2009, Chicago Tribune







 









  








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RE: [scifinoir2] Spooky similarity between Obama and Spock

[Martin Baxter]

Fudge! Make that "sidekick characters".

Martin (hates it when past concussions get in the way of a good quip)

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:49:04 -0800
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Spooky similarity between Obama and Spock


















 



  



  
  
  Hmmm so does that make John Biden Captain Kirk? Also does that make 
McCain = John Wayne, and Palin= Annie Oakley?


On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Martin Baxter  
wrote:


























Surprises me, Charles, and I'd thought I'd seen it all with the advent of the 
Drugster, Lonseome Rhodes Beck and Ms Palin.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

From: char...@sheehanmiles.net
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 13:15:46 -0500
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Spooky similarity between Obama and Spock


















 



  



  
  
  Why am I not surprised that someone who argued for invading a country 
different than the one which attacked us would criticize someone for ... god 
forbid... actually deliberating a decision, and thinking about the consequences 
and the strategy, before committing troops to war?




On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Kelwyn  wrote:
















 



  



  
  
  Nimoy said he ran into Obama during the 2008 presidential campaign in a 
Los Angeles hotel: "When he arrived and saw me he said, 'They told me you were 
here.' And gave me the split-fingered Vulcan sign."





www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-talk-obama-mr-spockdec02,0,4238139.story



chicagotribune.com



In Obama and Spock, fans see spooky similarity



Leader's deliberative mien draws some ire but inspires Trekkies



The Associated Press



December 2, 2009



WASHINGTON -- He shows a fascination with science, an all-too-deliberate 
decision-making demeanor, an adherence to logic and some pretty, ahem, 
prominent ears.



They all add up to a quite logical conclusion, at least for "Star Trek" fans: 
Barack Obama is Washington's Mr. Spock, the chief science officer for the ship 
of state.



"I guess it's somewhat unusual for a politician to be so precise, logical, in 
his thought process," actor Leonard Nimoy, who has portrayed Spock for more 
than 40 years, told The Associated Press via e-mail. "The comparison to Spock 
is, in my opinion, a compliment to him and to the character."





Until now.



Obama's protracted decision-making on a new war strategy in Afghanistan, for 
example, prompted criticisms that he's too deliberate. Former Vice President 
Dick Cheney, former vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin and other 
conservatives faulted Obama for "dithering."





But geeks insist he's gone where no nerd has gone before. In his first 10 
months in office, the president made more science-oriented trips than military 
ones.



"I keep being amazed at how much attention he's spending on science policy," 
said science policy and journalism blogger Chris Mooney, author of 
"Unscientific America: How Scientific Illiteracy Threatens Our Future."





"The nerds are happy," Mooney said. "They like Spock."



While some science policy experts don't quite see the similarities between the 
president and the fictional Vulcan, "Star Trek" experts do.



Nimoy said he ran into Obama during the 2008 presidential campaign in a Los 
Angeles hotel: "When he arrived and saw me he said, 'They told me you were 
here.' And gave me the split-fingered Vulcan sign."





Roberto Orci, the screenwriter and producer behind the latest "Star Trek" 
movie, said Obama "has a Spocklike aura about him: calm in the face of great 
adversity and looking for a logical middle ground." Obama, himself a big "Star 
Trek" fan, screened the movie at the White House during its May opening weekend.





"We knew he was a Trekkie," Orci said in a telephone interview. He said he 
watches the White House regularly for insight on the Spock character.



"To have a case study like that on the news every night makes my job a lot 
easier," he said.



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Re: [scifinoir2] TV: Science trek

[Mr. Worf]

I found out that it was being showed because of their pledge break. They
show their best stuff during the breaks to stir up donations.

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Martin Baxter
wrote:

>
>
> This, I will be drinking in. Thanks for the heads-up, Mr Worf!
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:42:34 -0800
> Subject: [scifinoir2] TV: Science trek
>
>
>  PBS has a new documentary that looks at the crossroads of science fiction
> and science fact. The show also incorporates clips from Star Trek and Star
> Trek the Next Generation shows.
> Quite a few interesting topics are covered and discussed by experts in
> their fields.
>
>
> --
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> out
>
> 
>



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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4

[Keith Johnson]

The result of years of reading Marvel's Handbook (with all the power levels and 
comparisons listed). Also, stuff such as Julian May's Pliocene exile series, 
where powers are broken down into Farsensing (telepathy/remote sensing), 
Pyschokinesis, Coercion (mind control), Redaction (mind reading/altering), and 
Creativity (matter/energy manipulation). 



I tend to think a lot about powers and how they'd be of benefit. I tend to 
break them down into offensive (e.g., Cyclops' optic beams, Wolvie's claws), 
defensive (Juggernaut's invulnerability, Blob's mass of blubber, Storm's winds 
applied at a foe),  information gathering/stealth (telepathy, invisibility, 
intangibility), and special powers (Forge's knack with machines, mind control 
of Xavier, etc). 



So, when thinking of a superpower I'd like to have, I try to think of one or 
two that cover the gamut and would give one as many tools as possible. Magneto, 
Storm, Graviton, and Xavier--all of which could be called "elementals"--are 
tops in the list for covering all bases. 


- Original Message - 
From: "Kelwyn"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2009 3:10:23 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul Greengrass quits 
Bourne 4 

  




Wow. I am just Pinky to your Brain! (I guess we can say you have thought about 
this). 

~rave! 

The Brain: Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering? 
Pinky: I think so, Brain, but if they called them "sad meals" no one would buy 
them. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson  wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> Yeah, teleportation is a good power, one of my favs too. Allows one to avoid 
> danger, wreak all kinds of havoc(facing an army? No biggie: just 'port behind 
> their lines, or 'port a bomb into their midst then skedaddle). I also like 
> intangibility, as it's a great one for covert ops and resistance (avoidance) 
> to injury. I like intagibility over invisibility because with the former you 
> can get into and out of anything, while being invisible doesn't help if you 
> can't pick the lock on a vault, or can't figure a way to get around pressure 
> plates or temperature sensors. 
> 
> 
> 
> I like the standards of strength, speed, and invulnerability too, but I tend 
> to lean toward powers that are more diverse in usage. Thus, for me it'd be 
> strong telekenesis (flight, lifting objects, forcefields), or maybe 
> manipulation of gravity or magnetic fields a la Graviton and Magneto. Those 
> powers allow one to control just about everything. Also like Storms weather 
> manipulation, which can be devastating on a large or small scale. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Kelwyn"  
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2009 9:52:23 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul Greengrass 
> quits Bourne 4 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I second the emotion on "Jumper." My daughter and I watch it every time it 
> comes on. 
> 
> (but, then again, teleportation IS my favorite super power). 
> 
> ~rave! 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson  wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > You know what? I didn't hate "Jumper". It was weak, for sure, but there was 
> > a lot to like about it. My wife and I saw it with a crowd on a Saturday 
> > night, and had no regrets. Sure, Sam Jackson overacted, they didn't really 
> > explain why his group felt Jumpers were an abomination in God's eyes.  
> > Hayden Christenson is not exactly a scintillating actor, which was a big 
> > problem. The script was a bit spare, the movie too short, and some key 
> > things left unfulfilled.  (ringing endorsement, eh?!) 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > But all that being said, it was still an enjoyable time waster. The jumping 
> > was good, and the possibilities only hinted at here are limitless. In some 
> > ways it reminds me of the first X-Men movie, which, while defintely way 
> > better in comparison, was also a bit rushed, light on plotting, and 
> > curtailed in storytelling. I'm thinking that, like X2, maybe Jumper 2 can 
> > round off those rough edges and show the promise I saw and enjoyed in the 
> > first. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I have no evidence of this at all, but the first flick seemed to be one of 
> > those put together after studio/director wrangling, budget issues, 
> > rewrites, and a rushed shooting schedule. 
> > 
> > 
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Martin Baxter"  
> > To: "SciFiNoir2" < scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com >, cinque3000@, ggszig@, 
> > cdemorsella@ 
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2009 3:53:23 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul Greengrass 
> > quits Bourne 4 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Let's all channel these thoughts... 
> > 
> > "Mister Liman... 'Jumper 2' is CRAP... move back to 'Bourne'..." 
> > 
> > "If all the world's a stage and all th

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Steven Seagal: Lawman

[Martin Baxter]

Keith, I didn't know that. Surprising how little I know about the man, 
considering how big a star he is. (Pun not intended in the least.) That would 
make it fun, as I'm a jeet kune tao practitioner.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 20:56:40 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Steven Seagal: Lawman


















 



  



  
  
  
although, as a true master of akijutsu (not the watered down akido), he'd be 
formidable even with his current girth


- Original Message -
From: "Martin Baxter" 
To: "SciFiNoir2" 
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2009 3:28:15 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Steven Seagal: Lawman



  




Puh-LEEZE, Mr Worf. He's as wide as he is tall, from the snippets I've seen. If 
I were of a criminal nature, and I ran across him, he'd end up vertical. 
(They'd probably catch me anyway, because I'd be LMNAATWO.)

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik







To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 11:29:00 -0800
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Steven Seagal: Lawman

  


I found out that he is in a little town in Georgia so you guys better watch out 
down there! :) 



On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 6:53 AM, Kelwyn  wrote:

I saw the commercial for this and my visceral reaction was "really?"

~(no)rave!


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>
> Starts tomorrow 10pm. Join me for the trainwreck... :)
>






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Re: [scifinoir2] Reboot This! 10 Sci-Fi TV Shows Ready for Upgrade

[Mr. Worf]

I agree. I don't think that they could do Bebop at all. I also think that it
wouldn't work as a commercially viable story to American film people.

I never got to see Middleman. There was something else that I was watching
that was on at the same time.

Aeon Flux should have been done right instead of the anemic live action
movie version that they came up with. The only thing good about the movie
was the costume design and the sets. Although I can give a little leeway for
the main character hurting her back during the making of the film but that
won't make up for the sheer lameness of the movie.

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Martin Baxter
wrote:

>
>
> Mr Worf, considering the off-kilter quality of the last two TZ reboots, I
> want all hands *off* it. As for "Buck Rogers", don't know if you (or anyone
> else) caught the comic reboot of it. It was pretty cool, and might lend
> itself well to a small-screen restart. (Not that I'm backing such, mind you.
> Just tossing ideas.) Siffy canNOT be allowed near "The Middleman".
>
> And "Bebop" lives in animation ONLY, done by someone NOT American. (Not
> even ME.)
>
> Martin (Bebop Fan #2)
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 21:00:04 -0800
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Reboot This! 10 Sci-Fi TV Shows Ready for Upgrade
>
>
>
> Reboot This! 10 Sci-Fi TV Shows Ready for Upgrade
>
>- By Scott Thill  [image:
>Email Author] 
>- December 1, 2009  |
>- 4:53 pm  |
>- Categories: sci-fi ,
>television 
>-
>
>  [image: sci-fi-reboot-combo]
> The operating systems of *Star Trek*, *The Prisoner*, *Astro Boy* and *V*have 
> all been rebooted for Generation Xbox this year, with varying degrees
> of success.
> What science fiction series is next for a 21st-century upgrade? Try
> stuffing these 10 television shows in your replicators. With the right
> approaches, these series – some old, some new – could all be turned into TV
> that is both thought-provoking and entertaining.
> Have your own ideas for sci-fi reboots that really ought to happen? Let us
> know in the comments below.
>
>
> Buck Rogers This show is perhaps an obvious choice, given the acclaimed
> reboot of *Battlestar Galactica*, the prime-time compatriot of *Buck
> Rogers in the 25th Century*. The two original ’70s television shows
> represented underwhelming attempts at capitalizing on the success of *Star
> Wars* (although the *Buck Rogers
> * lineage extends back to the ’40s and influenced auteurs like George
> Lucas).
> A cerebral, thorough reimagining of Buck Rogers — building on the intrepid
> character introduced in Amazing Stories and developed in the first sci-fi
> radio show  – could reap
> futuristic fruit. (We’re hoping Frank Miller can bring *Buck Rogers* to
> movie 
> screenssuccessfully,
>  but after seeing what he did to
> *The Spirit *,
> that’s perhaps misguided.)
> The Twilight Zone No show on television resembles Rod Serling’s episodic
> sci-fi series, which debuted in 1959 and wrapped five incredibly influential
> seasons in 1964. Even the various series that followed, which shared *The
> Twilight 
> Zone
> *’s name, haven’t been able to build on the original’s ambition or
> success. (Jason Alexander as 
> Death
> ?)
> Maybe there’s no point polluting that good name any more, but it’s past
> time for a series like The Twilight Zone that marries psy-fi with sci-fi
> without blinking.
>
> The Middleman This hilarious, unfairly canceled sci-fi brain-fry
> masquerading as a teen soap doesn’t actually need a reboot. Minus some
> unnecessarily cute banter and quirkiness, the short-lived 2008 series was
> one of the funniest shows on television, sci-fi or not.
> The ABC Family series starred *Art School Confidential*’s Matt Keeslar,
> who was a brilliant mash of *Twin Peaks*‘ Agent Cooper and *The X-Files*‘
> Fox Mulder. And executive producer Javier 
> Grillo-Marxuachinjected 
> more inside sci-fi and comics info into a single episode of The
> Middleman than 
> most series do in a season. Syfy or someone needs to resuscitate this
> life-form, by any means necessary.
> Heroes It might seem like cheating 

RE: [scifinoir2] America's urgent wing crisis

[Martin Baxter]

WHOA.

Only ONE Popeye's in the entire STATE? Near-riots indeed.

And, if I may add here... Robyne Robinson... YES.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:55:19 -0800
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] America's urgent wing crisis


















 



  



  
  
  Here is one of the videos: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlWNn_i_NoM&feature=related

There are a lot more. There were fights in line and the police was called. 



On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Martin Baxter  
wrote:


























No, I missed that. Must've been a busy day.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 18:43:30 -0800

Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] America's urgent wing crisis


















 



  



  
  
  Did you see the riots that they had over free chicken earlier this year?


On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Martin Baxter  
wrote:



























Keith, brace for the rioting sure to break out here in Atlanta...

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik






To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: ravena...@yahoo.com
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:59:18 +


Subject: [scifinoir2] America's urgent wing crisis


















 



  



  
  
  www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-oped1127wings_newnov27,0,637059.story



chicagotribune.com



America's urgent wing crisis



By Dennis O'Toole



November 27, 2009



Look on my wings, ye hungry, and despair.



-- Percy Bysshe Shelley



The United States faces a severe chicken wing shortage, yet you'll be forgiven 
for not knowing this. The media are distracted by less important shortages, 
like flu vaccines and full-time jobs. The talking heads of cable TV prattle on 
about the usual nonsense: the war in Iraq, the war in Afghanistan, the on-going 
financial crisis, our broken health care system, and the increasing likelihood 
of mass extinctions from global warming.





I'm sorry, am I boring you?



Probably. What the media don't understand is: We have bigger pieces of meat to 
fry. Chicken breasts, namely, since the price of wings now rivals that of 
cocaine.



Early this month the U.S. Department of Agriculture reported -- in a tone I'd 
call alarmist were I not so freaked out myself -- that poultry production is 
down 3.5 percent. The USDA drove this point (and the knife) home Nov. 18, in 
its normally hilarious, "Weekly Estimated Slaughter of U.S. Broiler/Fryers and 
Fowl":





"The estimated number of broiler-fryers available for slaughter the week ending 
21-Nov-09 is 148.4 million head compared to 158.9 million head slaughtered the 
same week last year."



Let me put the chilling language of bureaucracy in terms you may better 
understand: There are 10.5 million fewer chickens to eat right now than a year 
ago, and, therefore, 21 million fewer wings. Demand, meanwhile, remains 
steadfast and unwavering. As a result, chicken breasts are cheaper than wings 
for the first time in the recorded history of things like this.





Bars and restaurants all over our once-great nation have responded by booting 
wings from the menu. Such an act of cowardice is akin to spitting on a bald 
eagle or putting an American flag in the dishwasher.



Worse, many of these treasonous trattorias have debased the wing by introducing 
the "boneless wing." I can barely type that phrase without vomiting. A boneless 
wing is an abomination, like a godless church, an Abe Lincoln-less penny, or an 
episode of "Family Matters" without Urkel. You simply cannot have a chicken 
wing without the bone and -- far, far more important -- the skin.





So what are these pretenders to the throne? Not wings at all, just pieces of 
breast meat! Wings are a delicacy thanks to the optimum skin-to-meat-to-bone 
ratio (exactly 1.618033). Breasts, on the other hand, are so tasteless that 
most cultures use them as packing material.





What is President Barack Obama doing about this?



Nothing.



Not once has he addressed Congress on the matter. Not once has he made a 
surprise visit to Baghdad to discuss it with his generals. Not once has he 
asked the Federal Drug Administration to release its hot sauce stockpile.





That's called socialism. I'm pretty sure, at least. As far as I can glean from 
current usage, socialism is whatever bothers me about Obama.



Mr. Obama: Stop dithering. Restore the 10-cent wing night. Make the boneless 
wing a felony. And bring back "Family Matters."

RE: [scifinoir2] Reboot This! 10 Sci-Fi TV Shows Ready for Upgrade

[Martin Baxter]

As for "The Middleman", it was danged hard to keep up with, schedule-wise. 
ABCFamily considered it low-proirity, apparently, because they kept bumping it 
around on the Monday night schedule, anywhere from 8 pm to midnight before it 
was canceled.  A shame, because it was truly something ahead of its time. If 
memory serves, it is on Fancast, if you want to take it in.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 13:18:28 -0800
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Reboot This! 10 Sci-Fi TV Shows Ready for Upgrade


















 



  



  
  
  I agree. I don't think that they could do Bebop at all. I also think that 
it wouldn't work as a commercially viable story to American film people. 

I never got to see Middleman. There was something else that I was watching that 
was on at the same time. 


Aeon Flux should have been done right instead of the anemic live action movie 
version that they came up with. The only thing good about the movie was the 
costume design and the sets. Although I can give a little leeway for the main 
character hurting her back during the making of the film but that won't make up 
for the sheer lameness of the movie. 



On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Martin Baxter  
wrote:


























Mr Worf, considering the off-kilter quality of the last two TZ reboots, I want 
all hands *off* it. As for "Buck Rogers", don't know if you (or anyone else) 
caught the comic reboot of it. It was pretty cool, and might lend itself well 
to a small-screen restart. (Not that I'm backing such, mind you. Just tossing 
ideas.) Siffy canNOT be allowed near "The Middleman".


And "Bebop" lives in animation ONLY, done by someone NOT American. (Not even 
ME.)

Martin (Bebop Fan #2)

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 21:00:04 -0800
Subject: [scifinoir2] Reboot This! 10 Sci-Fi TV Shows Ready for Upgrade


















 



  



  
  
  
Reboot This! 10 Sci-Fi TV Shows Ready for Upgrade



By Scott Thill



December 1, 2009 | 

4:53 pm | 

   Categories: sci-fi,  television











The operating systems of Star Trek, The Prisoner, Astro Boy and V have all been 
rebooted for Generation Xbox this year, with varying degrees of success.

What science fiction series is next for a 21st-century upgrade? Try
stuffing these 10 television shows in your replicators. With the right
approaches, these series – some old, some new – could all be turned
into TV that is both thought-provoking and entertaining.

Have your own ideas for sci-fi reboots that really ought to happen? Let us know 
in the comments below.





Buck Rogers
This show is perhaps an obvious choice, given the acclaimed reboot of 
Battlestar Galactica, the prime-time compatriot of Buck Rogers in the 25th 
Century. The two original ’70s television shows represented underwhelming 
attempts at capitalizing on the success of Star Wars (although the Buck Rogers 
lineage extends back to the ’40s and influenced auteurs like George Lucas).



A cerebral, thorough reimagining of Buck Rogers — building on the intrepid 
character introduced in Amazing Stories and developed in the first sci-fi radio 
show – could reap futuristic fruit. (We’re hoping Frank Miller can bring Buck 
Rogers to movie screens successfully, but after seeing what he did to The 
Spirit, that’s perhaps misguided.)



The Twilight Zone
No show on television resembles Rod Serling’s episodic sci-fi
series, which debuted in 1959 and wrapped five incredibly influential
seasons in 1964. Even the various series that followed, which shared The 
Twilight Zone’s name, haven’t been able to build on the original’s ambition or 
success. (Jason Alexander as Death?)



Maybe there’s no point polluting that good name any more, but it’s past time 
for a series like The Twilight Zone that marries psy-fi with sci-fi without 
blinking.



The Middleman
This hilarious, unfairly canceled sci-fi brain-fry masquerading as a
teen soap doesn’t actually need a reboot. Minus some unnecessarily cute
banter and quirkiness, the short-lived 2008 series w

Re: [scifinoir2] Reboot This! 10 Sci-Fi TV Shows Ready for Upgrade

[bruce harden]

of those  dune would be good .But for me  big mini series in 6 part arcs are
just perfect.  writers on tv when confronted with  limits seem always to do
better. ie bg  the stepehn ing minis  dark tower anyone?///

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Martin Baxter
wrote:

>
>
> Mr Worf, considering the off-kilter quality of the last two TZ reboots, I
> want all hands *off* it. As for "Buck Rogers", don't know if you (or anyone
> else) caught the comic reboot of it. It was pretty cool, and might lend
> itself well to a small-screen restart. (Not that I'm backing such, mind you.
> Just tossing ideas.) Siffy canNOT be allowed near "The Middleman".
>
> And "Bebop" lives in animation ONLY, done by someone NOT American. (Not
> even ME.)
>
> Martin (Bebop Fan #2)
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 21:00:04 -0800
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Reboot This! 10 Sci-Fi TV Shows Ready for Upgrade
>
>
>
> Reboot This! 10 Sci-Fi TV Shows Ready for Upgrade
>
>- By Scott Thill  [image:
>Email Author] 
>- December 1, 2009  |
>- 4:53 pm  |
>- Categories: sci-fi ,
>television 
>-
>
> [image: sci-fi-reboot-combo]
> The operating systems of *Star Trek*, *The Prisoner*, *Astro Boy* and *V*have 
> all been rebooted for Generation Xbox this year, with varying degrees
> of success.
> What science fiction series is next for a 21st-century upgrade? Try
> stuffing these 10 television shows in your replicators. With the right
> approaches, these series – some old, some new – could all be turned into TV
> that is both thought-provoking and entertaining.
> Have your own ideas for sci-fi reboots that really ought to happen? Let us
> know in the comments below.
>
>
> Buck RogersThis show is perhaps an obvious choice, given the acclaimed
> reboot of *Battlestar Galactica*, the prime-time compatriot of *Buck
> Rogers in the 25th Century*. The two original ’70s television shows
> represented underwhelming attempts at capitalizing on the success of *Star
> Wars* (although the *Buck Rogers
> * lineage extends back to the ’40s and influenced auteurs like George
> Lucas).
> A cerebral, thorough reimagining of Buck Rogers — building on the intrepid
> character introduced in Amazing Stories and developed in the first sci-fi
> radio show  – could reap
> futuristic fruit. (We’re hoping Frank Miller can bring *Buck Rogers* to
> movie 
> screenssuccessfully,
>  but after seeing what he did to
> *The Spirit *,
> that’s perhaps misguided.)
> The Twilight ZoneNo show on television resembles Rod Serling’s episodic
> sci-fi series, which debuted in 1959 and wrapped five incredibly influential
> seasons in 1964. Even the various series that followed, which shared *The
> Twilight 
> Zone
> *’s name, haven’t been able to build on the original’s ambition or
> success. (Jason Alexander as 
> Death
> ?)
> Maybe there’s no point polluting that good name any more, but it’s past
> time for a series like The Twilight Zone that marries psy-fi with sci-fi
> without blinking.
>
> The MiddlemanThis hilarious, unfairly canceled sci-fi brain-fry
> masquerading as a teen soap doesn’t actually need a reboot. Minus some
> unnecessarily cute banter and quirkiness, the short-lived 2008 series was
> one of the funniest shows on television, sci-fi or not.
> The ABC Family series starred *Art School Confidential*’s Matt Keeslar,
> who was a brilliant mash of *Twin Peaks*‘ Agent Cooper and *The X-Files*‘
> Fox Mulder. And executive producer Javier 
> Grillo-Marxuachinjected 
> more inside sci-fi and comics info into a single episode of The
> Middleman than 
> most series do in a season. Syfy or someone needs to resuscitate this
> life-form, by any means necessary.
> HeroesIt might seem like cheating to insert a sci-fi show that is
> currently in existence, but there are more than enough arguments to support
> the contention that *Heroes *, in its current
> form, is dead on arrival.
> Rather than exploring the boundless possibilities of an ability-infested
> superhumanity, NBC’s show has offered full-frontal assaults on reason and
> patience, often barely disgu

Re: [scifinoir2] America's urgent wing crisis

[Mr. Worf]

They had the same problem with KFC. Check out the related videos. Also there
are some very funny parody videos as well.

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Martin Baxter wrote:

>
>
> WHOA.
>
> Only ONE Popeye's in the entire STATE? Near-riots indeed.
>
> And, if I may add here... Robyne Robinson... YES.
>
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:55:19 -0800
>
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] America's urgent wing crisis
>
>
>  Here is one of the videos:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlWNn_i_NoM&feature=related
>
> There are a lot more. There were fights in line and the police was called.
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Martin Baxter  > wrote:
>
>
>
> No, I missed that. Must've been a busy day.
>
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 18:43:30 -0800
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] America's urgent wing crisis
>
>
>  Did you see the riots that they had over free chicken earlier this year?
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Martin Baxter 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Keith, brace for the rioting sure to break out here in Atlanta...
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: ravena...@yahoo.com
> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:59:18 +
> Subject: [scifinoir2] America's urgent wing crisis
>
>
>  www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-oped1127wings_newnov27,0,637059.story
>
> chicagotribune.com
>
> America's urgent wing crisis
>
> By Dennis O'Toole
>
> November 27, 2009
>
> Look on my wings, ye hungry, and despair.
>
> -- Percy Bysshe Shelley
>
> The United States faces a severe chicken wing shortage, yet you'll be
> forgiven for not knowing this. The media are distracted by less important
> shortages, like flu vaccines and full-time jobs. The talking heads of cable
> TV prattle on about the usual nonsense: the war in Iraq, the war in
> Afghanistan, the on-going financial crisis, our broken health care system,
> and the increasing likelihood of mass extinctions from global warming.
>
> I'm sorry, am I boring you?
>
> Probably. What the media don't understand is: We have bigger pieces of meat
> to fry. Chicken breasts, namely, since the price of wings now rivals that of
> cocaine.
>
> Early this month the U.S. Department of Agriculture reported -- in a tone
> I'd call alarmist were I not so freaked out myself -- that poultry
> production is down 3.5 percent. The USDA drove this point (and the knife)
> home Nov. 18, in its normally hilarious, "Weekly Estimated Slaughter of U.S.
> Broiler/Fryers and Fowl":
>
> "The estimated number of broiler-fryers available for slaughter the week
> ending 21-Nov-09 is 148.4 million head compared to 158.9 million head
> slaughtered the same week last year."
>
> Let me put the chilling language of bureaucracy in terms you may better
> understand: There are 10.5 million fewer chickens to eat right now than a
> year ago, and, therefore, 21 million fewer wings. Demand, meanwhile, remains
> steadfast and unwavering. As a result, chicken breasts are cheaper than
> wings for the first time in the recorded history of things like this.
>
> Bars and restaurants all over our once-great nation have responded by
> booting wings from the menu. Such an act of cowardice is akin to spitting on
> a bald eagle or putting an American flag in the dishwasher.
>
> Worse, many of these treasonous trattorias have debased the wing by
> introducing the "boneless wing." I can barely type that phrase without
> vomiting. A boneless wing is an abomination, like a godless church, an Abe
> Lincoln-less penny, or an episode of "Family Matters" without Urkel. You
> simply cannot have a chicken wing without the bone and -- far, far more
> important -- the skin.
>
> So what are these pretenders to the throne? Not wings at all, just pieces
> of breast meat! Wings are a delicacy thanks to the optimum
> skin-to-meat-to-bone ratio (exactly 1.618033). Breasts, on the other hand,
> are so tasteless that most cultures use them as packing material.
>
> What is President Barack Obama doing about this?
>
> Nothing.
>
> Not once has he addressed Congress on the matter. Not once has he made a
> surprise visit to Baghdad to discuss it with his generals. Not once has he
> asked the Federal Drug Administration to release its hot sauce stockpile.
>
> That's called socialism. I'm pretty sure, at least. As far as I can g

Re: [scifinoir2] Reboot This! 10 Sci-Fi TV Shows Ready for Upgrade

[Mr. Worf]

There was talk about making a mini series around the last Dune book but I
haven't heard anything about it yet.

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 1:35 PM, bruce harden wrote:

>
>
> of those  dune would be good .But for me  big mini series in 6 part arcs
> are just perfect.  writers on tv when confronted with  limits seem always to
> do better. ie bg  the stepehn ing minis  dark tower anyone?///
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Martin Baxter  > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Mr Worf, considering the off-kilter quality of the last two TZ reboots, I
>> want all hands *off* it. As for "Buck Rogers", don't know if you (or anyone
>> else) caught the comic reboot of it. It was pretty cool, and might lend
>> itself well to a small-screen restart. (Not that I'm backing such, mind you.
>> Just tossing ideas.) Siffy canNOT be allowed near "The Middleman".
>>
>> And "Bebop" lives in animation ONLY, done by someone NOT American. (Not
>> even ME.)
>>
>> Martin (Bebop Fan #2)
>>
>> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
>> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>> From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
>> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 21:00:04 -0800
>> Subject: [scifinoir2] Reboot This! 10 Sci-Fi TV Shows Ready for Upgrade
>>
>>
>>
>> Reboot This! 10 Sci-Fi TV Shows Ready for Upgrade
>>
>>- By Scott Thill  [image:
>>Email Author] 
>>- December 1, 2009  |
>>- 4:53 pm  |
>>- Categories: sci-fi ,
>>television 
>>-
>>
>> [image: sci-fi-reboot-combo]
>> The operating systems of *Star Trek*, *The Prisoner*, *Astro Boy* and 
>> *V*have all been rebooted for Generation Xbox this year, with varying degrees
>> of success.
>> What science fiction series is next for a 21st-century upgrade? Try
>> stuffing these 10 television shows in your replicators. With the right
>> approaches, these series – some old, some new – could all be turned into TV
>> that is both thought-provoking and entertaining.
>> Have your own ideas for sci-fi reboots that really ought to happen? Let us
>> know in the comments below.
>>
>>
>> Buck RogersThis show is perhaps an obvious choice, given the acclaimed
>> reboot of *Battlestar Galactica*, the prime-time compatriot of *Buck
>> Rogers in the 25th Century*. The two original ’70s television shows
>> represented underwhelming attempts at capitalizing on the success of *Star
>> Wars* (although the *Buck Rogers
>> * lineage extends back to the ’40s and influenced auteurs like George
>> Lucas).
>> A cerebral, thorough reimagining of Buck Rogers — building on the
>> intrepid character introduced in Amazing Stories and developed in the first
>> sci-fi radio show – could 
>> reap futuristic fruit. (We’re hoping Frank Miller can bring
>> *Buck Rogers* to movie 
>> screenssuccessfully,
>>  but after seeing what he did to
>> *The Spirit *,
>> that’s perhaps misguided.)
>> The Twilight ZoneNo show on television resembles Rod Serling’s episodic
>> sci-fi series, which debuted in 1959 and wrapped five incredibly influential
>> seasons in 1964. Even the various series that followed, which shared *The
>> Twilight 
>> Zone
>> *’s name, haven’t been able to build on the original’s ambition or
>> success. (Jason Alexander as 
>> Death
>> ?)
>> Maybe there’s no point polluting that good name any more, but it’s past
>> time for a series like The Twilight Zone that marries psy-fi with sci-fi
>> without blinking.
>>
>> The MiddlemanThis hilarious, unfairly canceled sci-fi brain-fry
>> masquerading as a teen soap doesn’t actually need a reboot. Minus some
>> unnecessarily cute banter and quirkiness, the short-lived 2008 series was
>> one of the funniest shows on television, sci-fi or not.
>> The ABC Family series starred *Art School Confidential*’s Matt Keeslar,
>> who was a brilliant mash of *Twin Peaks*‘ Agent Cooper and *The X-Files*‘
>> Fox Mulder. And executive producer Javier 
>> Grillo-Marxuachinjected 
>> more inside sci-fi and comics info into a single episode of The
>> Middleman than 
>> most series do in a season. Syfy or someone needs to resuscitate this
>> life-form, by any means necessary.
>> HeroesIt might seem like cheating to insert a sci-fi show that is
>> currently in existence, but there are more than enough arguments to support
>> the 

[scifinoir2] article: Man controlled robotic hand with thoughts - Yahoo! News

[Mr. Worf]

 Experts: Man controlled robotic hand with thoughts - Yahoo! News

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091202/ap_on_sc/eu_italy_robotic_hand

Re: [scifinoir2] article: Man controlled robotic hand with thoughts - Yahoo! News

[Charles Sheehan-Miles]

I'm waiting to be able to control my _wife_ with my thoughts.  That will be
newsworthy.

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Mr. Worf  wrote:

>
>
> Experts: Man controlled robotic hand with thoughts - Yahoo! News
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091202/ap_on_sc/eu_italy_robotic_hand
>
>
>
>  
>



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Re: [scifinoir2] article: Man controlled robotic hand with thoughts - Yahoo! News

[Mr. Worf]

Hmmm but would you really want that?

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Charles Sheehan-Miles <
char...@sheehanmiles.net> wrote:

>
>
> I'm waiting to be able to control my _wife_ with my thoughts.  That will be
> newsworthy.
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Mr. Worf  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Experts: Man controlled robotic hand with thoughts - Yahoo! News
>>
>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091202/ap_on_sc/eu_italy_robotic_hand
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> ---
> Charles Sheehan-Miles
> 202-412-2433 | char...@sheehanmiles.net
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/sheehanmiles
>
>
> 




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Re: [scifinoir2] article: Man controlled robotic hand with thoughts - Yahoo! News

[Omari Confer]

No he wouldnt.

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Mr. Worf  wrote:

>
>
> Hmmm but would you really want that?
>
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Charles Sheehan-Miles <
> char...@sheehanmiles.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I'm waiting to be able to control my _wife_ with my thoughts.  That will
>> be newsworthy.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Mr. Worf  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Experts: Man controlled robotic hand with thoughts - Yahoo! News
>>>
>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091202/ap_on_sc/eu_italy_robotic_hand
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> ---
>> Charles Sheehan-Miles
>> 202-412-2433 | char...@sheehanmiles.net
>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/sheehanmiles
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years!
> Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
>
> 
>



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Re: [scifinoir2] Reboot This! 10 Sci-Fi TV Shows Ready for Upgrade

[Omari Confer]

This article has it wrong. Its should have been a nostalga piece. These were
inspired shows that should be motivation for new genre work

Battlestar was a fluke.

c w m

On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:00 PM, Mr. Worf  wrote:

>
>
> Reboot This! 10 Sci-Fi TV Shows Ready for Upgrade
>
>- By Scott Thill  [image:
>Email Author] 
>- December 1, 2009  |
>- 4:53 pm  |
>- Categories: sci-fi ,
>television 
>-
>
> [image: sci-fi-reboot-combo]
>
> The operating systems of *Star Trek*, *The Prisoner*, *Astro Boy* and *V*have 
> all been rebooted for Generation Xbox this year, with varying degrees
> of success.
>
> What science fiction series is next for a 21st-century upgrade? Try
> stuffing these 10 television shows in your replicators. With the right
> approaches, these series – some old, some new – could all be turned into TV
> that is both thought-provoking and entertaining.
>
> Have your own ideas for sci-fi reboots that really ought to happen? Let us
> know in the comments below.
>
>  Buck Rogers
>
> This show is perhaps an obvious choice, given the acclaimed reboot of 
> *Battlestar
> Galactica*, the prime-time compatriot of *Buck Rogers in the 25th Century*.
> The two original ’70s television shows represented underwhelming attempts at
> capitalizing on the success of *Star Wars* (although the *Buck 
> Rogers
> * lineage extends back to the ’40s and influenced auteurs like George
> Lucas).
>
> A cerebral, thorough reimagining of Buck Rogers — building on the intrepid
> character introduced in Amazing Stories and developed in the first sci-fi
> radio show  – could reap
> futuristic fruit. (We’re hoping Frank Miller can bring *Buck Rogers* to
> movie 
> screenssuccessfully,
>  but after seeing what he did to
> *The Spirit *,
> that’s perhaps misguided.)
> The Twilight Zone
>
> No show on television resembles Rod Serling’s episodic sci-fi series, which
> debuted in 1959 and wrapped five incredibly influential seasons in 1964.
> Even the various series that followed, which shared *The Twilight 
> Zone
> *’s name, haven’t been able to build on the original’s ambition or
> success. (Jason Alexander as 
> Death
> ?)
>
> Maybe there’s no point polluting that good name any more, but it’s past
> time for a series like The Twilight Zone that marries psy-fi with sci-fi
> without blinking.
>
> The Middleman
>
> This hilarious, unfairly canceled sci-fi brain-fry masquerading as a teen
> soap doesn’t actually need a reboot. Minus some unnecessarily cute banter
> and quirkiness, the short-lived 2008 series was one of the funniest shows on
> television, sci-fi or not.
>
> The ABC Family series starred *Art School Confidential*’s Matt Keeslar,
> who was a brilliant mash of *Twin Peaks*‘ Agent Cooper and *The X-Files*‘
> Fox Mulder. And executive producer Javier 
> Grillo-Marxuachinjected 
> more inside sci-fi and comics info into a single episode of The
> Middleman than 
> most series do in a season. Syfy or someone needs to resuscitate this
> life-form, by any means necessary.
> Heroes
>
> It might seem like cheating to insert a sci-fi show that is currently in
> existence, but there are more than enough arguments to support the
> contention that *Heroes *, in its current
> form, is dead on arrival.
>
> Rather than exploring the boundless possibilities of an ability-infested
> superhumanity, NBC’s show has offered full-frontal assaults on reason and
> patience, often barely disguised as reactionary moralism. (Plus, it probably
> has more blondes per capita than any show, sci-fi or otherwise, on
> prime-time television.) Like *Lost*, *Heroes* can finish strong if its
> full potential is creatively unlocked. But the show might need to be killed
> so that it can live again.
> The Prisoner
>
> As I explained in my review of *The Prisoner*’s recent 
> reboot,
> it’s not easy stumbling in the shadow of the late, great Patrick 
> McGoohan.
> But that doesn’t mean AMC’s *The Prisoner* 2.0 is where the game should
> end.
>
> McGoohan probed many dark corners of consumption, geopolitics and
> technology in his ’60s show, and those types of concerns have only
> intensified in the four decades since the last episode of The Prisoner 

Re: [scifinoir2] America's urgent wing crisis

[Omari Confer]

LOL..

On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Martin Baxter wrote:

>
>
> Keith, brace for the rioting sure to break out here in Atlanta...
>
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: ravena...@yahoo.com
> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:59:18 +
> Subject: [scifinoir2] America's urgent wing crisis
>
>
>  www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-oped1127wings_newnov27,0,637059.story
>
> chicagotribune.com
>
> America's urgent wing crisis
>
> By Dennis O'Toole
>
> November 27, 2009
>
> Look on my wings, ye hungry, and despair.
>
> -- Percy Bysshe Shelley
>
> The United States faces a severe chicken wing shortage, yet you'll be
> forgiven for not knowing this. The media are distracted by less important
> shortages, like flu vaccines and full-time jobs. The talking heads of cable
> TV prattle on about the usual nonsense: the war in Iraq, the war in
> Afghanistan, the on-going financial crisis, our broken health care system,
> and the increasing likelihood of mass extinctions from global warming.
>
> I'm sorry, am I boring you?
>
> Probably. What the media don't understand is: We have bigger pieces of meat
> to fry. Chicken breasts, namely, since the price of wings now rivals that of
> cocaine.
>
> Early this month the U.S. Department of Agriculture reported -- in a tone
> I'd call alarmist were I not so freaked out myself -- that poultry
> production is down 3.5 percent. The USDA drove this point (and the knife)
> home Nov. 18, in its normally hilarious, "Weekly Estimated Slaughter of U.S.
> Broiler/Fryers and Fowl":
>
> "The estimated number of broiler-fryers available for slaughter the week
> ending 21-Nov-09 is 148.4 million head compared to 158.9 million head
> slaughtered the same week last year."
>
> Let me put the chilling language of bureaucracy in terms you may better
> understand: There are 10.5 million fewer chickens to eat right now than a
> year ago, and, therefore, 21 million fewer wings. Demand, meanwhile, remains
> steadfast and unwavering. As a result, chicken breasts are cheaper than
> wings for the first time in the recorded history of things like this.
>
> Bars and restaurants all over our once-great nation have responded by
> booting wings from the menu. Such an act of cowardice is akin to spitting on
> a bald eagle or putting an American flag in the dishwasher.
>
> Worse, many of these treasonous trattorias have debased the wing by
> introducing the "boneless wing." I can barely type that phrase without
> vomiting. A boneless wing is an abomination, like a godless church, an Abe
> Lincoln-less penny, or an episode of "Family Matters" without Urkel. You
> simply cannot have a chicken wing without the bone and -- far, far more
> important -- the skin.
>
> So what are these pretenders to the throne? Not wings at all, just pieces
> of breast meat! Wings are a delicacy thanks to the optimum
> skin-to-meat-to-bone ratio (exactly 1.618033). Breasts, on the other hand,
> are so tasteless that most cultures use them as packing material.
>
> What is President Barack Obama doing about this?
>
> Nothing.
>
> Not once has he addressed Congress on the matter. Not once has he made a
> surprise visit to Baghdad to discuss it with his generals. Not once has he
> asked the Federal Drug Administration to release its hot sauce stockpile.
>
> That's called socialism. I'm pretty sure, at least. As far as I can glean
> from current usage, socialism is whatever bothers me about Obama.
>
> Mr. Obama: Stop dithering. Restore the 10-cent wing night. Make the
> boneless wing a felony. And bring back "Family Matters." God that Urkel was
> funny.
>
> Dennis O'Toole is a writer and improv performer living in Chicago.
>
> Copyright © 2009, Chicago Tribune
>
>
>
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> more.
>
> 
>



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[scifinoir2] Intel hopes 48-core chip will solve new challenges

[Mr. Worf]

http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-10407818-264.html?tag=newsLatestHeadlinesArea.0

I believe that we will be going in this direction very soon coupled with the
GPU developments can take computing to an exponential step over what is
currently available.

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Steven Seagal: Lawman

[Omari Confer]

My reaction was..."seriously". Then I peed myself.

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 8:53 AM, Kelwyn  wrote:

>
>
> I saw the commercial for this and my visceral reaction was "really?"
>
> ~(no)rave!
>
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , "Mr.
> Worf"  wrote:
> >
> > Starts tomorrow 10pm. Join me for the trainwreck... :)
> >
>
>  
>



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RE: [scifinoir2] article: Man controlled robotic hand with thoughts - Yahoo! News

[Tracey de Morsella]

He thinks he does, but after a few weeks of mischief, he would be very 
disappointed. 

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Mr. Worf
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 3:32 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] article: Man controlled robotic hand with thoughts - 
Yahoo! News

 



Hmmm but would you really want that? 

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Charles Sheehan-Miles 
 wrote:



I'm waiting to be able to control my _wife_ with my thoughts.  That will be 
newsworthy.

 

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Mr. Worf  wrote:

  

Experts: Man controlled robotic hand with thoughts - Yahoo! News

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091202/ap_on_sc/eu_italy_robotic_hand



 





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Re: [scifinoir2] article: Man controlled robotic hand with thoughts - Yahoo! News

[Mr. Worf]

There are some guys out there that are hard at work making robo-women with
artificial intelligence coupled with a robotic body with sensory feedback
and speech. It is predicted that they will have a working prototype
completed in the next 5 years! There are also the guys that have
relationships with RealDolls. (Life sized latex dolls.)

That all branches off into a different topic behind their motivations for
seeking that sort of relationship.

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Omari Confer  wrote:

>
>
> No he wouldnt.
>
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Mr. Worf  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Hmmm but would you really want that?
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Charles Sheehan-Miles <
>> char...@sheehanmiles.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm waiting to be able to control my _wife_ with my thoughts.  That will
>>> be newsworthy.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Mr. Worf wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Experts: Man controlled robotic hand with thoughts - Yahoo! News
>>>>
>>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091202/ap_on_sc/eu_italy_robotic_hand
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> ---
>>> Charles Sheehan-Miles
>>> 202-412-2433 | char...@sheehanmiles.net
>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/sheehanmiles
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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>>
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Re: [scifinoir2] article: Man controlled robotic hand with thoughts - Yahoo! News

[Omari Confer]

I thought about that RealDoll thing then I realized that I liked flesh.

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 6:11 PM, Mr. Worf  wrote:

>
>
> There are some guys out there that are hard at work making robo-women with
> artificial intelligence coupled with a robotic body with sensory feedback
> and speech. It is predicted that they will have a working prototype
> completed in the next 5 years! There are also the guys that have
> relationships with RealDolls. (Life sized latex dolls.)
>
> That all branches off into a different topic behind their motivations for
> seeking that sort of relationship.
>
>  On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Omari Confer wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> No he wouldnt.
>>
>>  On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Mr. Worf wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hmmm but would you really want that?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Charles Sheehan-Miles <
>>> char...@sheehanmiles.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm waiting to be able to control my _wife_ with my thoughts.  That will
>>>> be newsworthy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Mr. Worf wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Experts: Man controlled robotic hand with thoughts - Yahoo! News
>>>>>
>>>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091202/ap_on_sc/eu_italy_robotic_hand
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> ---
>>>> Charles Sheehan-Miles
>>>> 202-412-2433 | char...@sheehanmiles.net
>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/sheehanmiles
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
>>
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Re: [scifinoir2] article: Man controlled robotic hand with thoughts - Yahoo! News

[Mr. Worf]

What if you couldn't tell the difference between flesh and the synthetic
equivalent? What if they made it so an electrical field traveled along the
surface of the synthetic skin that gave the "appearance" of real skin?
(touch, feel, heat, scent)

I think that the level at which some people would be tempted to explore the
artificial equivalent would vary but the closer you get to the real thing
the more likely people will try it. But then again, I believe that people
are alot more open minded to trying things like that especially if pleasure
is involved.


On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Omari Confer  wrote:

>
>
> I thought about that RealDoll thing then I realized that I liked flesh.
>
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 6:11 PM, Mr. Worf  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> There are some guys out there that are hard at work making robo-women with
>> artificial intelligence coupled with a robotic body with sensory feedback
>> and speech. It is predicted that they will have a working prototype
>> completed in the next 5 years! There are also the guys that have
>> relationships with RealDolls. (Life sized latex dolls.)
>>
>> That all branches off into a different topic behind their motivations for
>> seeking that sort of relationship.
>>
>>  On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Omari Confer wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> No he wouldnt.
>>>
>>>
>>>  On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Mr. Worf wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hmmm but would you really want that?
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Charles Sheehan-Miles <
>>>> char...@sheehanmiles.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm waiting to be able to control my _wife_ with my thoughts.  That
>>>>> will be newsworthy.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Mr. Worf wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Experts: Man controlled robotic hand with thoughts - Yahoo! News
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091202/ap_on_sc/eu_italy_robotic_hand
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> ---
>>>>> Charles Sheehan-Miles
>>>>> 202-412-2433 | char...@sheehanmiles.net
>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/sheehanmiles
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
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>>>> Mahogany at:
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> STRING THEORY
>>> http://stringtheory.podbean.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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[scifinoir2] Pixar Shorts and Rudolph Tonight!

[Keith Johnson]

http://abcfamily.go.com/abcfamily/path/section_Movies+25-days-christmas/page_Pixar-Short-Films
 



ABC Family is airing two hours of twenty Pixar short animated features. Typical 
of that great company, the shorts are funny, colorful, clever, and have great 
music. I'm watching one now that has what sounds like Bobby McFerrin in the 
background. Good stuff, running from 7 - 9 pm EST, and rerun again at 9 pm EST. 
That's a good thing, because... 



CBS is airing the eleventy millionth showing of the classic "Rudolph the 
Red-Nosed Reindeer" at 8 pm EST. Gotta see that! Great music, endearing 
stop-motion effects, and a cool story. And you gotta love Santa the bigot, who 
only changes his tune when the exotic Rudolph turns out to be useful to his 
cause. Or what about the way Santa studiously ignores the Island of Misfit Toys 
all those years? He knew where they were, but again, them being outside the 
norm, old Jolly St. Nick couldn't be bothered. So, Santa is a racist and 
prejudiced against those with birth ("creation"?) defects, too?  Wow! 

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Steven Seagal: Lawman

[Keith Johnson]

yeah, Seagal actually trained in Japan to a real master, when he was younger. 
As far as that goes, he's the real deal. 




- Original Message - 
From: "Martin Baxter"  
To: "SciFiNoir2"  
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2009 4:00:30 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Steven Seagal: Lawman 

  




Keith, I didn't know that. Surprising how little I know about the man, 
considering how big a star he is. (Pun not intended in the least.) That would 
make it fun, as I'm a jeet kune tao practitioner. 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net 
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 20:56:40 + 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Steven Seagal: Lawman 

  




although, as a true master of akijutsu (not the watered down akido), he'd be 
formidable even with his current girth 

- Original Message - 
From: "Martin Baxter"  
To: "SciFiNoir2"  
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2009 3:28:15 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Steven Seagal: Lawman 

  



Puh-LEEZE, Mr Worf. He's as wide as he is tall, from the snippets I've seen. If 
I were of a criminal nature, and I ran across him, he'd end up vertical. 
(They'd probably catch me anyway, because I'd be LMNAATWO.) 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 






To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com 
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 11:29:00 -0800 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Steven Seagal: Lawman 

  


I found out that he is in a little town in Georgia so you guys better watch out 
down there! :) 



On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 6:53 AM, Kelwyn < ravena...@yahoo.com > wrote: 


I saw the commercial for this and my visceral reaction was "really?" 

~(no)rave! 


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> 
> Starts tomorrow 10pm. Join me for the trainwreck... :) 
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Re: [scifinoir2] article: Man controlled robotic hand with thoughts - Yahoo! News

[Omari Confer]

Doesnt matter. Part of the feeling is knowing it is a real person. Changing
smell, sweating and the whole 9.5 yards. We would have to live in Kubriks
A.I world and we dont live there. (I suspect Rave does though..lol)

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Mr. Worf  wrote:

>
>
> What if you couldn't tell the difference between flesh and the synthetic
> equivalent? What if they made it so an electrical field traveled along the
> surface of the synthetic skin that gave the "appearance" of real skin?
> (touch, feel, heat, scent)
>
> I think that the level at which some people would be tempted to explore the
> artificial equivalent would vary but the closer you get to the real thing
> the more likely people will try it. But then again, I believe that people
> are alot more open minded to trying things like that especially if pleasure
> is involved.
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Omari Confer wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I thought about that RealDoll thing then I realized that I liked flesh.
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 6:11 PM, Mr. Worf  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There are some guys out there that are hard at work making robo-women
>>> with artificial intelligence coupled with a robotic body with sensory
>>> feedback and speech. It is predicted that they will have a working prototype
>>> completed in the next 5 years! There are also the guys that have
>>> relationships with RealDolls. (Life sized latex dolls.)
>>>
>>> That all branches off into a different topic behind their motivations for
>>> seeking that sort of relationship.
>>>
>>>  On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Omari Confer wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No he wouldnt.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Mr. Worf wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hmmm but would you really want that?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Charles Sheehan-Miles <
>>>>> char...@sheehanmiles.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm waiting to be able to control my _wife_ with my thoughts.  That
>>>>>> will be newsworthy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Mr. Worf wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Experts: Man controlled robotic hand with thoughts - Yahoo! News
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091202/ap_on_sc/eu_italy_robotic_hand
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>> Charles Sheehan-Miles
>>>>>> 202-412-2433 | char...@sheehanmiles.net
>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/sheehanmiles
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Steven Seagal: Lawman

[Mr. Worf]

There are a few people that have serious skills that you wouldn't tell by
looking at them. For example, the comedian Joe Rogan is a black belt in Tae
Kwon Do and won the US title 4 times and a Grand Champion title, but he is
more known for his standup comedy and being a host on tv.

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:

>
>
> yeah, Seagal actually trained in Japan to a real master, when he was
> younger. As far as that goes, he's the real deal.
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Martin Baxter" 
> To: "SciFiNoir2" 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2009 4:00:30 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Steven Seagal: Lawman
>
>
>
> Keith, I didn't know that. Surprising how little I know about the man,
> considering how big a star he is. (Pun not intended in the least.) That
> would make it fun, as I'm a jeet kune tao practitioner.
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 20:56:40 +
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Steven Seagal: Lawman
>
>
>
> although, as a true master of akijutsu (not the watered down akido), he'd
> be formidable even with his current girth
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Martin Baxter" 
> To: "SciFiNoir2" 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2009 3:28:15 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Steven Seagal: Lawman
>
>
>  Puh-LEEZE, Mr Worf. He's as wide as he is tall, from the snippets I've
> seen. If I were of a criminal nature, and I ran across him, he'd end up
> vertical. (They'd probably catch me anyway, because I'd be LMNAATWO.)
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 11:29:00 -0800
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Steven Seagal: Lawman
>
>
>  I found out that he is in a little town in Georgia so you guys better
> watch out down there! :)
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 6:53 AM, Kelwyn  wrote:
>
> I saw the commercial for this and my visceral reaction was "really?"
>
> ~(no)rave!
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
> >
> > Starts tomorrow 10pm. Join me for the trainwreck... :)
> >
>
>
>
>
> 
>
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Re: [scifinoir2] Pixar Shorts and Rudolph Tonight!

[Keith Johnson]

Now that I'm on the Santa-as-bigot roll, what about how he treats his workers? 
The reindeer are sentient beings with the power of flight, and one assumes, 
superspeed--how else to circumnavigate the globe in a day? Without them the 
sleigh would never leave the ground. Yet, while Claus lives in his big castle, 
sitting on a throne, the reindeer are forced to live in drafty caves, hiding 
from the Abominable Snowman, probably digging through ice and snow for food.  
And the elves? Virtual servitude: they're expected to work all day long, forced 
to keep plastic smiles on their facings, singing goofy songs. Natural, you say? 
How about the Overlord that is Claus demands that they act happy or else, find 
themselves sharing a cave with the reindeer? 



Let's face it, Claus is the Victor von Doom of the North Pole, using his 
subjects for his own gains, discarding those who are different or of no use to 
him, requiring people to fake happiness on pain of punishment most severe. 



It's enough to make one give up Christmas!  :( 


- Original Message - 
From: "Keith Johnson"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2009 7:41:28 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Pixar Shorts and Rudolph Tonight! 

  







http://abcfamily.go.com/abcfamily/path/section_Movies+25-days-christmas/page_Pixar-Short-Films
 



ABC Family is airing two hours of twenty Pixar short animated features. Typical 
of that great company, the shorts are funny, colorful, clever, and have great 
music. I'm watching one now that has what sounds like Bobby McFerrin in the 
background. Good stuff, running from 7 - 9 pm EST, and rerun again at 9 pm EST. 
That's a good thing, because... 



CBS is airing the eleventy millionth showing of the classic "Rudolph the 
Red-Nosed Reindeer" at 8 pm EST. Gotta see that! Great music, endearing 
stop-motion effects, and a cool story. And you gotta love Santa the bigot, who 
only changes his tune when the exotic Rudolph turns out to be useful to his 
cause. Or what about the way Santa studiously ignores the Island of Misfit Toys 
all those years? He knew where they were, but again, them being outside the 
norm, old Jolly St. Nick couldn't be bothered. So, Santa is a racist and 
prejudiced against those with birth ("creation"?) defects, too?  Wow! 

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Steven Seagal: Lawman

[Omari Confer]

I knew there was something about that Fear Factor guy.

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Mr. Worf  wrote:

>
>
> There are a few people that have serious skills that you wouldn't tell by
> looking at them. For example, the comedian Joe Rogan is a black belt in Tae
> Kwon Do and won the US title 4 times and a Grand Champion title, but he is
> more known for his standup comedy and being a host on tv.
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Keith Johnson 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>  yeah, Seagal actually trained in Japan to a real master, when he was
>> younger. As far as that goes, he's the real deal.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Martin Baxter" 
>> To: "SciFiNoir2" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2009 4:00:30 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Steven Seagal: Lawman
>>
>>
>>
>> Keith, I didn't know that. Surprising how little I know about the man,
>> considering how big a star he is. (Pun not intended in the least.) That
>> would make it fun, as I'm a jeet kune tao practitioner.
>>
>> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
>> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>> From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
>> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 20:56:40 +
>> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Steven Seagal: Lawman
>>
>>
>>
>> although, as a true master of akijutsu (not the watered down akido), he'd
>> be formidable even with his current girth
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Martin Baxter" 
>> To: "SciFiNoir2" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2009 3:28:15 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Steven Seagal: Lawman
>>
>>
>>  Puh-LEEZE, Mr Worf. He's as wide as he is tall, from the snippets I've
>> seen. If I were of a criminal nature, and I ran across him, he'd end up
>> vertical. (They'd probably catch me anyway, because I'd be LMNAATWO.)
>>
>> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
>> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>> From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
>> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 11:29:00 -0800
>> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Steven Seagal: Lawman
>>
>>
>>  I found out that he is in a little town in Georgia so you guys better
>> watch out down there! :)
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 6:53 AM, Kelwyn  wrote:
>>
>> I saw the commercial for this and my visceral reaction was "really?"
>>
>> ~(no)rave!
>>
>> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>> >
>> > Starts tomorrow 10pm. Join me for the trainwreck... :)
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> Post your SciFiNoir Profile at
>>
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>> Groups Links
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>>
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4

[Keith Johnson]

Ha-ha, ah man you took me back! Loved Pinky and the Brain! And Tiny Toon 
Adventures, by the way. I loved when one of the characters would break into 
hysterics, and then a hand would appear handing them an Oscar. Their music 
video segment was great too. To this day, I find myself humming 
"Istanbul/Constantinople!" or Aretha Franklin's "Respect", with an eye to the 
Tiny Toon's visuals accompanying them. 


- Original Message - 
From: "Kelwyn"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2009 3:10:23 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul Greengrass quits 
Bourne 4 

  




Wow. I am just Pinky to your Brain! (I guess we can say you have thought about 
this). 

~rave! 

The Brain: Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering? 
Pinky: I think so, Brain, but if they called them "sad meals" no one would buy 
them. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson  wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> Yeah, teleportation is a good power, one of my favs too. Allows one to avoid 
> danger, wreak all kinds of havoc(facing an army? No biggie: just 'port behind 
> their lines, or 'port a bomb into their midst then skedaddle). I also like 
> intangibility, as it's a great one for covert ops and resistance (avoidance) 
> to injury. I like intagibility over invisibility because with the former you 
> can get into and out of anything, while being invisible doesn't help if you 
> can't pick the lock on a vault, or can't figure a way to get around pressure 
> plates or temperature sensors. 
> 
> 
> 
> I like the standards of strength, speed, and invulnerability too, but I tend 
> to lean toward powers that are more diverse in usage. Thus, for me it'd be 
> strong telekenesis (flight, lifting objects, forcefields), or maybe 
> manipulation of gravity or magnetic fields a la Graviton and Magneto. Those 
> powers allow one to control just about everything. Also like Storms weather 
> manipulation, which can be devastating on a large or small scale. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Kelwyn"  
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2009 9:52:23 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul Greengrass 
> quits Bourne 4 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I second the emotion on "Jumper." My daughter and I watch it every time it 
> comes on. 
> 
> (but, then again, teleportation IS my favorite super power). 
> 
> ~rave! 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson  wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > You know what? I didn't hate "Jumper". It was weak, for sure, but there was 
> > a lot to like about it. My wife and I saw it with a crowd on a Saturday 
> > night, and had no regrets. Sure, Sam Jackson overacted, they didn't really 
> > explain why his group felt Jumpers were an abomination in God's eyes.  
> > Hayden Christenson is not exactly a scintillating actor, which was a big 
> > problem. The script was a bit spare, the movie too short, and some key 
> > things left unfulfilled.  (ringing endorsement, eh?!) 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > But all that being said, it was still an enjoyable time waster. The jumping 
> > was good, and the possibilities only hinted at here are limitless. In some 
> > ways it reminds me of the first X-Men movie, which, while defintely way 
> > better in comparison, was also a bit rushed, light on plotting, and 
> > curtailed in storytelling. I'm thinking that, like X2, maybe Jumper 2 can 
> > round off those rough edges and show the promise I saw and enjoyed in the 
> > first. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I have no evidence of this at all, but the first flick seemed to be one of 
> > those put together after studio/director wrangling, budget issues, 
> > rewrites, and a rushed shooting schedule. 
> > 
> > 
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Martin Baxter"  
> > To: "SciFiNoir2" < scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com >, cinque3000@, ggszig@, 
> > cdemorsella@ 
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2009 3:53:23 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul Greengrass 
> > quits Bourne 4 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Let's all channel these thoughts... 
> > 
> > "Mister Liman... 'Jumper 2' is CRAP... move back to 'Bourne'..." 
> > 
> > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in 
> > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ; cinque3000@; ggszig@; cdemorsella@ 
> > From: tdlists@ 
> > Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:48:29 -0800 
> > Subject: [scifinoir2] Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul Greengrass quits 
> > Bourne 4 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > he slow development of the fourth Jason Bourne flick took another hit today 
> > as director Paul Greengrass - a man as intricately linked to the films as 
> > star Matt Damon himself - walked out on

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4

[Martin Baxter]

I guess I'm alone in my loathing of "Jumper"...

And, in terms of psi-powers, teleportation is keen, but judicious use of 
telepathy could have its uses. If one wants to infiltrate a facility, one could 
impose a "blind spot" on everyone inside, exactly the size and shape of the 
person wielding the power. If one is seen, one could wipe the mind of the 
person who's seen them, or dredge up a memory of extreme pleasure, pain or fear 
to distract. Getting vault combos would be a matter of reading minds. And one 
could convince the head of the facility to bring the desired item out of the 
facility.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: ravena...@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 14:52:23 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul Greengrass quits 
Bourne 4


















 



  



  
  
  I second the emotion on "Jumper."  My daughter and I watch it every time 
it comes on.



(but, then again, teleportation IS my favorite super power).



~rave!



--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:

>

> 

> 

> You know what? I didn't hate "Jumper". It was weak, for sure, but there was a 
> lot to like about it. My wife and I saw it with a crowd on a Saturday night, 
> and had no regrets. Sure, Sam Jackson overacted, they didn't really explain 
> why his group felt Jumpers were an abomination in God's eyes.  Hayden 
> Christenson is not exactly a scintillating actor, which was a big problem. 
> The script was a bit spare, the movie too short, and some key things left 
> unfulfilled.  (ringing endorsement, eh?!) 

> 

> 

> 

> But all that being said, it was still an enjoyable time waster. The jumping 
> was good, and the possibilities only hinted at here are limitless. In some 
> ways it reminds me of the first X-Men movie, which, while defintely way 
> better in comparison, was also a bit rushed, light on plotting, and curtailed 
> in storytelling. I'm thinking that, like X2, maybe Jumper 2 can round off 
> those rough edges and show the promise I saw and enjoyed in the first. 

> 

> 

> 

> I have no evidence of this at all, but the first flick seemed to be one of 
> those put together after studio/director wrangling, budget issues, rewrites, 
> and a rushed shooting schedule. 

> 

> 

> - Original Message - 

> From: "Martin Baxter"  

> To: "SciFiNoir2" , cinque3...@..., ggs...@..., 
> cdemorse...@... 

> Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2009 3:53:23 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 

> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul Greengrass 
> quits Bourne 4 

> 

> Â  

> 

> 

> 

> 

> Let's all channel these thoughts... 

> 

> "Mister Liman... 'Jumper 2' is CRAP... move back to 'Bourne'..." 

> 

> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

> 

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com; cinque3...@...; ggs...@...; cdemorse...@... 

> From: tdli...@... 

> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:48:29 -0800 

> Subject: [scifinoir2] Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul Greengrass quits 
> Bourne 4 

> 

> Â  

> 

> 

> 

> 

> he slow development of the fourth Jason Bourne flick took another hit today 
> as director Paul Greengrass - a man as intricately linked to the films as 
> star Matt Damon himself - walked out on the project in a row over the script. 

> 

> Details are still sketchy, but it would appear that Greengrass wasn't happy 
> when Universal brought in up-and-coming writer Josh Zetumer to work on a 
> 'parallel' screenplay for the film, rewriting the one already penned by 
> Ocean's 12 's George Nolfi. 

> 

> Greengrass has already been under pressure from Universal over the way he's 
> handled the budget on the forthcoming Green Zone , which has suffered 
> reshoots and a $150 million pricetag. 

> http://mos.totalfilm.com/images/p/paul-greengrass-quits-bourne-4-00-420-75.jpg

> 

> If Greengrass has left Bourne 4 for good (and it's early days yet - he could 
> be lured back), Damon could well decide to remain loyal to him and refuse to 
> shoot with anyone else. 

> Pure speculation, of course, but Greengrass has made the franchise his own 
> and it's hard to imagine anyone else swinging in to the rescue. 

> Unless, that is, Bourne Identity director Doug Liman fancies a break from 
> Jumper 2 and mourning his cancelled Knight Rider TV reboot... 

> Â  Without Greengrass, will Bourne be the same? Should Damon stick by his 
> side? Sound off below... 

> 

> 

> http://www.totalfilm.com/news/paul-greengrass-quits-bourne-4?cid=OTC-RSS&attr=news&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+totalfilm%2Fimdbnews+%28Total+Film+IMDb+aggregate%29
>  

> 

> 

> 

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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4

[Tracey de Morsella]

I loved Pink and the Brain too…. sigh

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 12:33 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul Greengrass 
quits Bourne 4

 






Ha-ha, ah man you took me back! Loved Pinky and the Brain! And Tiny Toon 
Adventures, by the way. I loved when one of the characters would break into 
hysterics, and then a hand would appear handing them an Oscar. Their music 
video segment was great too. To this day, I find myself humming 
"Istanbul/Constantinople!" or Aretha Franklin's "Respect", with an eye to the 
Tiny Toon's visuals accompanying them.


- Original Message -
From: "Kelwyn" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2009 3:10:23 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul Greengrass quits 
Bourne 4

  

Wow. I am just Pinky to your Brain! (I guess we can say you have thought about 
this).

~rave!

The Brain: Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering? 
Pinky: I think so, Brain, but if they called them "sad meals" no one would buy 
them. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com  , Keith 
Johnson  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Yeah, teleportation is a good power, one of my favs too. Allows one to avoid 
> danger, wreak all kinds of havoc(facing an army? No biggie: just 'port behind 
> their lines, or 'port a bomb into their midst then skedaddle). I also like 
> intangibility, as it's a great one for covert ops and resistance (avoidance) 
> to injury. I like intagibility over invisibility because with the former you 
> can get into and out of anything, while being invisible doesn't help if you 
> can't pick the lock on a vault, or can't figure a way to get around pressure 
> plates or temperature sensors. 
> 
> 
> 
> I like the standards of strength, speed, and invulnerability too, but I tend 
> to lean toward powers that are more diverse in usage. Thus, for me it'd be 
> strong telekenesis (flight, lifting objects, forcefields), or maybe 
> manipulation of gravity or magnetic fields a la Graviton and Magneto. Those 
> powers allow one to control just about everything. Also like Storms weather 
> manipulation, which can be devastating on a large or small scale. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Kelwyn"  
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com   
> Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2009 9:52:23 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul Greengrass 
> quits Bourne 4 
> 
> Â  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I second the emotion on "Jumper." My daughter and I watch it every time it 
> comes on. 
> 
> (but, then again, teleportation IS my favorite super power). 
> 
> ~rave! 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com   , 
> Keith Johnson  wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > You know what? I didn't hate "Jumper". It was weak, for sure, but there was 
> > a lot to like about it. My wife and I saw it with a crowd on a Saturday 
> > night, and had no regrets. Sure, Sam Jackson overacted, they didn't really 
> > explain why his group felt Jumpers were an abomination in God's eyes.  
> > Hayden Christenson is not exactly a scintillating actor, which was a big 
> > problem. The script was a bit spare, the movie too short, and some key 
> > things left unfulfilled.  (ringing endorsement, eh?!) 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > But all that being said, it was still an enjoyable time waster. The jumping 
> > was good, and the possibilities only hinted at here are limitless. In some 
> > ways it reminds me of the first X-Men movie, which, while defintely way 
> > better in comparison, was also a bit rushed, light on plotting, and 
> > curtailed in storytelling. I'm thinking that, like X2, maybe Jumper 2 can 
> > round off those rough edges and show the promise I saw and enjoyed in the 
> > first. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I have no evidence of this at all, but the first flick seemed to be one of 
> > those put together after studio/director wrangling, budget issues, 
> > rewrites, and a rushed shooting schedule. 
> > 
> > 
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Martin Baxter"  
> > To: "SciFiNoir2" < scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> >   >, cinque3000@, ggszig@, 
> > cdemorsella@ 
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2009 3:53:23 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul Greengrass 
> > quits Bourne 4 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Let's all channel these thoughts... 
> > 
> > "Mister Liman... 'Jumper 2' is CRAP... move back to 'Bourne'..." 
> > 
> > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in 
> > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4

[Tracey de Morsella]

The difference is you read the book.  From what I read about the book, I do
not see how you could like it unless you looked at the movie as entirely
separate from the book.  .  

 

But don’t feel bad, people who read the book that FlashForward is based on
do not like the show.  I was going to read the book , but after reading
about the differences, I decided to wait so that it would not cause me to
make comparisons

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Martin Baxter
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 12:36 PM
To: SciFiNoir2
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul
Greengrass quits Bourne 4

 



I guess I'm alone in my loathing of "Jumper"...

And, in terms of psi-powers, teleportation is keen, but judicious use of
telepathy could have its uses. If one wants to infiltrate a facility, one
could impose a "blind spot" on everyone inside, exactly the size and shape
of the person wielding the power. If one is seen, one could wipe the mind of
the person who's seen them, or dredge up a memory of extreme pleasure, pain
or fear to distract. Getting vault combos would be a matter of reading
minds. And one could convince the head of the facility to bring the desired
item out of the facility.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik





  _  

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: ravena...@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 14:52:23 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul Greengrass
quits Bourne 4

  

I second the emotion on "Jumper." My daughter and I watch it every time it
comes on.

(but, then again, teleportation IS my favorite super power).

~rave!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> You know what? I didn't hate "Jumper". It was weak, for sure, but there
was a lot to like about it. My wife and I saw it with a crowd on a Saturday
night, and had no regrets. Sure, Sam Jackson overacted, they didn't really
explain why his group felt Jumpers were an abomination in God's eyes.Â
Hayden Christenson is not exactly a scintillating actor, which was a big
problem. The script was a bit spare, the movie too short, and some key
things left unfulfilled.  (ringing endorsement, eh?!) 
> 
> 
> 
> But all that being said, it was still an enjoyable time waster. The
jumping was good, and the possibilities only hinted at here are limitless.
In some ways it reminds me of the first X-Men movie, which, while defintely
way better in comparison, was also a bit rushed, light on plotting, and
curtailed in storytelling. I'm thinking that, like X2, maybe Jumper 2 can
round off those rough edges and show the promise I saw and enjoyed in the
first. 
> 
> 
> 
> I have no evidence of this at all, but the first flick seemed to be one of
those put together after studio/director wrangling, budget issues, rewrites,
and a rushed shooting schedule. 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Martin Baxter"  
> To: "SciFiNoir2" , cinque3...@..., ggs...@...,
cdemorse...@... 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2009 3:53:23 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul Greengrass
quits Bourne 4 
> 
> Â  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Let's all channel these thoughts... 
> 
> "Mister Liman... 'Jumper 2' is CRAP... move back to 'Bourne'..." 
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com; cinque3...@...; ggs...@...;
cdemorse...@... 
> From: tdli...@... 
> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:48:29 -0800 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul Greengrass
quits Bourne 4 
> 
> Â  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> he slow development of the fourth Jason Bourne flick took another hit
today as director Paul Greengrass - a man as intricately linked to the films
as star Matt Damon himself - walked out on the project in a row over the
script. 
> 
> Details are still sketchy, but it would appear that Greengrass wasn't
happy when Universal brought in up-and-coming writer Josh Zetumer to work on
a 'parallel' screenplay for the film, rewriting the one already penned by
Ocean's 12 's George Nolfi. 
> 
> Greengrass has already been under pressure from Universal over the way
he's handled the budget on the forthcoming Green Zone , which has suffered
reshoots and a $150 million pricetag. 
>
http://mos.totalfilm.com/images/p/paul-greengrass-quits-bourne-4-00-420-75.j
pg
> 
> If Greengrass has left Bourne 4 for good (and it's early days yet - he
could be lured back), Damon could well decide to remain loyal to him and
refuse to shoot with anyone else. 
> Pure speculation, of course, but Greengrass has made the franchise his own
and it's hard to imagine anyone else swinging in to the rescue. 
> Unless, that is, Bourne Id

Re: [scifinoir2] Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4

[Keith Johnson]

yeah, Tracey mentioned that. I've never read the book, so don't have the comparison. I guess it's like people who've never watched Star Trek loving the new movie.  :) 
 
(couldn't resist!)
- Original Message -From: "Martin Baxter" To: "SciFiNoir2" Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2009 3:39:09 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada EasternSubject: RE: [scifinoir2] Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4

  



Keith, your last statement, regarding the movie being rushed, is probably a proper assessment. I'm thinking that it's my love of the book is what pushes me against the movie."If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Granthttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.comFrom: keithbjohn...@comcast.netDate: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 05:41:52 +Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4
You know what? I didn't hate "Jumper". It was weak, for sure, but there was a lot to like about it. My wife and I saw it with a crowd on a Saturday night, and had no regrets. Sure, Sam Jackson overacted, they didn't really explain why his group felt Jumpers were an abomination in God's eyes.  Hayden Christenson is not exactly a scintillating actor, which was a big problem. The script was a bit spare, the movie too short, and some key things left unfulfilled.  (ringing endorsement, eh?!) But all that being said, it was still an enjoyable time waster. The jumping was good, and the possibilities only hinted at here are limitless. In some ways it reminds me of the first X-Men movie, which, while defintely way better in comparison, was also a bit rushed, light on plotting, and curtailed in storytelling. I'm thinking that, like X2, maybe Jumper 2 can round off those rough edges and show the promise I saw and enjoyed in the first. I have no evidence of this at all, but the first flick seemed to be one of those put together after studio/director wrangling, budget issues, rewrites, and a rushed shooting schedule. - Original Message -From: "Martin Baxter" To: "SciFiNoir2" , cinque3...@verizon.net, ggs...@yahoo.com, cdemorse...@yahoo.comSent: Tuesday, December 1, 2009 3:53:23 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada EasternSubject: RE: [scifinoir2] Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4  


Let's all channel these thoughts..."Mister Liman... 'Jumper 2' is CRAP... move back to 'Bourne'...""If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Granthttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com; cinque3...@verizon.net; ggs...@yahoo.com; cdemorse...@yahoo.comFrom: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.comDate: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:48:29 -0800Subject: [scifinoir2] Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4  



he slow development of the fourth Jason Bourne flick took another hit today as director Paul Greengrass - a man as intricately linked to the films as star Matt Damon himself - walked out on the project in a row over the script.Details are still sketchy, but it would appear that Greengrass wasn't happy when Universal brought in up-and-coming writer Josh Zetumer to work on a 'parallel' screenplay for the film, rewriting the one already penned by Ocean's 12's George Nolfi.Greengrass has already been under pressure from Universal over the way he's handled the budget on the forthcoming Green Zone, which has suffered reshoots and a $150 million pricetag.If Greengrass has left Bourne 4 for good (and it's early days yet - he could be lured back), Damon could well decide to remain loyal to him and refuse to shoot with anyone else.Pure speculation, of course, but Greengrass has made the franchise his own and it's hard to imagine anyone else swinging in to the rescue.Unless, that is, Bourne Identity director Doug Liman fancies a break from Jumper 2 and mourning his cancelled Knight Rider TV reboot... Without Greengrass, will Bourne be the same? Should Damon stick by his side? Sound off below...
http://www.totalfilm.com/news/paul-greengrass-quits-bourne-4?cid=OTC-RSS&attr=news&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+totalfilm%2Fimdbnews+%28Total+Film+IMDb+aggregate%29


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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4

[Keith Johnson]

True, that's why I put Xavier's powers on my list of some of the best. 
Although, one issue with telepathy would be range and accuracy. If you're 
infiltrating a facility, and there are security cameras, but the operator's in 
another part of the building, you might not be able to locate and wipe his mind 
in time, nor erase the recording. And then there's those pesky automated 
systems that you can't mind wipe--unless, like Jean Grey or Psylocke, you're 
blessed with TK as well as telepathy. 




- Original Message - 
From: "Martin Baxter"  
To: "SciFiNoir2"  
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2009 3:35:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul Greengrass 
quits Bourne 4 

  




I guess I'm alone in my loathing of "Jumper"... 

And, in terms of psi-powers, teleportation is keen, but judicious use of 
telepathy could have its uses. If one wants to infiltrate a facility, one could 
impose a "blind spot" on everyone inside, exactly the size and shape of the 
person wielding the power. If one is seen, one could wipe the mind of the 
person who's seen them, or dredge up a memory of extreme pleasure, pain or fear 
to distract. Getting vault combos would be a matter of reading minds. And one 
could convince the head of the facility to bring the desired item out of the 
facility. 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
From: ravena...@yahoo.com 
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 14:52:23 + 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul Greengrass quits 
Bourne 4 

  


I second the emotion on "Jumper." My daughter and I watch it every time it 
comes on. 

(but, then again, teleportation IS my favorite super power). 

~rave! 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson  wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> You know what? I didn't hate "Jumper". It was weak, for sure, but there was a 
> lot to like about it. My wife and I saw it with a crowd on a Saturday night, 
> and had no regrets. Sure, Sam Jackson overacted, they didn't really explain 
> why his group felt Jumpers were an abomination in God's eyes.  Hayden 
> Christenson is not exactly a scintillating actor, which was a big problem. 
> The script was a bit spare, the movie too short, and some key things left 
> unfulfilled.  (ringing endorsement, eh?!) 
> 
> 
> 
> But all that being said, it was still an enjoyable time waster. The jumping 
> was good, and the possibilities only hinted at here are limitless. In some 
> ways it reminds me of the first X-Men movie, which, while defintely way 
> better in comparison, was also a bit rushed, light on plotting, and curtailed 
> in storytelling. I'm thinking that, like X2, maybe Jumper 2 can round off 
> those rough edges and show the promise I saw and enjoyed in the first. 
> 
> 
> 
> I have no evidence of this at all, but the first flick seemed to be one of 
> those put together after studio/director wrangling, budget issues, rewrites, 
> and a rushed shooting schedule. 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Martin Baxter"  
> To: "SciFiNoir2" < scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com >, cinque3...@..., ggs...@..., 
> cdemorse...@... 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2009 3:53:23 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul Greengrass 
> quits Bourne 4 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Let's all channel these thoughts... 
> 
> "Mister Liman... 'Jumper 2' is CRAP... move back to 'Bourne'..." 
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ; cinque3...@...; ggs...@...; cdemorse...@... 
> From: tdli...@... 
> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:48:29 -0800 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul Greengrass quits 
> Bourne 4 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> he slow development of the fourth Jason Bourne flick took another hit today 
> as director Paul Greengrass - a man as intricately linked to the films as 
> star Matt Damon himself - walked out on the project in a row over the script. 
> 
> Details are still sketchy, but it would appear that Greengrass wasn't happy 
> when Universal brought in up-and-coming writer Josh Zetumer to work on a 
> 'parallel' screenplay for the film, rewriting the one already penned by 
> Ocean's 12 's George Nolfi. 
> 
> Greengrass has already been under pressure from Universal over the way he's 
> handled the budget on the forthcoming Green Zone , which has suffered 
> reshoots and a $150 million pricetag. 
> http://mos.totalfilm.com/images/p/paul-greengrass-quits-bourne-4-00-420-75.jpg
>  
> 
> If Greengrass has left Bourne 4 for good (and it's early days yet - he could 
> be lured back), Damon could well decide to remain loyal to him and ref