Re: [scifinoir2] Is Starfleet a military or scientific organization

[Mr. Worf]

Well, they could separate the saucer section remember? That was only used a
couple of times though. If you are going toe to toe with a Romulan ship I
would want my wife and kids away from the area.

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 8:52 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:

>
>
> Right, but the key word is "support". Other than some people who might take
> food or supplies to the battlefield, those people were in the rear.  The
> camp followers/workers is an old concept, good point. But putting families
> on the starships themselves is akin to having those support personnel riding
> in the chariots, working on the catapults, and standing side-by-side with
> the spear bearers. There's nowhere to *go* when you're on a starship being
> attacked by the Borg.
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mr. Worf" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 9:52:10 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Is Starfleet a military or scientific
> organization
>
>
>
> You know I was thinking about this, and realized that the Romans brought
> their families along with them on battles. They were part of the support
> system that prepared food and took care of the animals.
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 6:15 PM, Keith Johnson 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>  The families on starships was the single worst idea in Trek history. It
>> really doesn't speak to whether Starfleet is military though. The Enterprise
>> and otehr starshps were sent to face everything from the Borg to the return
>> of the Romulans. They were always being put at the forefront of battle, and
>> to defend the Federation against dangers. That's a military outfit in my
>> mind. no matter the idea of families on board ships.
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "George Arterberry" 
>> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 2:25:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Is Starfleet a military or scientific
>> organization
>>
>>
>>
>>  How many warships have famalies as its crew? I know as the Dominion War
>> intensified that practice was abandoned .
>>
>> I think as Starfleet moved outward the "harshness" of space
>> (Klingons,Orion Syndicate, Romulans) replaced Earth's wide -eyed view of
>> joing the space faring worlds. but seems to me in regards to Starlfeet it s
>> the tail wagging the dog. Rarely did we see Federation leadership on any
>> level.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  --
>> *From:* Keith Johnson 
>> *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>> *Sent:* Tue, December 15, 2009 1:29:57 PM
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Is Starfleet a military or scientific
>> organization
>>
>>
>>
>>  I think it's clearly a military organization with major scientific,
>> colonization, and exploratory mandates. It's completely organized in a
>> militaristic structure, from what we see, as far back as Archer's time. The
>> head of Starfleet is a military person, people go to a military academy,
>> everyone who serves is ranked, and the major vessels are vessels of war--er,
>> defense.  We often see Starfleet vessels doing scientific work, even the
>> flagship. But even many of their science vessels are military in nature.
>>
>> There was an ep of TNG in which Picard and Riker were set as opponents in
>> war games. The one where that goofy-looking dude from a race of master
>> strategists was running the whole thing. In that show, Picard protested the
>> games, saying "Starfeet is an exploratory body". Hearing him say that
>> while standing on the bridge of what's basically a naval vessel in space was
>> funny to me. Even in the movie "The Wrath of Khan", Kirk's son speask of
>> Starfleet as military, which was why he feared giving them Genesis.
>>
>>
>>
>> I think that some have stressed the admittedly advanced
>> scientific/explorat ory aspects of Starfleet, but I'd still say it's
>> military. And sometimes that scientific/explorat ory aspect is to act as
>> transport/support for civilians engaged in those endeavors.
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "George Arterberry" 
>> To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 12:29:45 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>> Subject: [scifinoir2] Is Starfleet a military or scientific organization
>>
>>
>>
>>  Thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [scifinoir2] Is Starfleet a military or scientific organization

[Keith Johnson]

Right, but the key word is "support". Other than some people who might take 
food or supplies to the battlefield, those people were in the rear.  The camp 
followers/workers is an old concept, good point. But putting families on the 
starships themselves is akin to having those support personnel riding in the 
chariots, working on the catapults, and standing side-by-side with the spear 
bearers. There's nowhere to *go* when you're on a starship being attacked by 
the Borg. 




- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 9:52:10 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Is Starfleet a military or scientific organization 

  




You know I was thinking about this, and realized that the Romans brought their 
families along with them on battles. They were part of the support system that 
prepared food and took care of the animals. 


On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 6:15 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 








The families on starships was the single worst idea in Trek history. It really 
doesn't speak to whether Starfleet is military though. The Enterprise and otehr 
starshps were sent to face everything from the Borg to the return of the 
Romulans. They were always being put at the forefront of battle, and to defend 
the Federation against dangers. That's a military outfit in my mind. no matter 
the idea of families on board ships. 



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From: "George Arterberry" < brotherfromhow...@yahoo.com > 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 2:25:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Is Starfleet a military or scientific organization 

  






How many warships have famalies as its crew? I know as the Dominion War 
intensified that practice was abandoned . 

I think as Starfleet moved outward the "harshness" of space (Klingons,Orion 
Syndicate, Romulans) replaced Earth's wide -eyed view of joing the space faring 
worlds. but seems to me in regards to Starlfeet it s the tail wagging the dog. 
Rarely did we see Federation leadership on any level. 


  



From: Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tue, December 15, 2009 1:29:57 PM 

Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Is Starfleet a military or scientific organization 

  






I think it's clearly a military organization with major scientific, 
colonization, and exploratory mandates. It's completely organized in a 
militaristic structure, from what we see, as far back as Archer's time. The 
head of Starfleet is a military person, people go to a military academy, 
everyone who serves is ranked, and the major vessels are vessels of war--er, 
defense.  We often see Starfleet vessels doing scientific work, even the 
flagship. But even many of their science vessels are military in nature. 

There was an ep of TNG in which Picard and Riker were set as opponents in war 
games. The one where that goofy-looking dude from a race of master strategists 
was running the whole thing. In that show, Picard protested the games, saying 
"Starfeet is an exploratory body". Hearing him say that while standing on the 
bridge of what's basically a naval vessel in space was funny to me. Even in the 
movie "The Wrath of Khan", Kirk's son speask of Starfleet as military, which 
was why he feared giving them Genesis. 



I think that some have stressed the admittedly advanced scientific/explorat ory 
aspects of Starfleet, but I'd still say it's military. And sometimes that 
scientific/explorat ory aspect is to act as transport/support for civilians 
engaged in those endeavors. 



- Original Message - 
From: "George Arterberry"  

To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 12:29:45 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Is Starfleet a military or scientific organization 

  






Thoughts? 


  













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Re: [scifinoir2] Chile weightlifter has unexpected baby during training

[Mr. Worf]

Maybe the baby will come out bench pressing 150lbs. Remember Little
Hercules? http://www.insideedition.com/storyprint.aspx?SpecialReportID=1809


On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Martin Baxter
wrote:

>
>
> I can buy it, especially if she was on training supplements. Hope the
> baby'll be alright.
>
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
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> Subject: [scifinoir2] Chile weightlifter has unexpected baby during
> training
>
>
>
> *Chilean Olympic weightlifter Elizabeth Poblete has given birth to a baby
> boy during a training session, without having known she was pregnant.*
> Ms Poblete, 22, who lives in Brazil, said she had felt unwell but had had
> no idea she was expecting a baby.  The boy was three months premature and
> was taken to hospital with his mother, where he remains in intensive care.
>  The hospital in Sao Paulo denied reports it forced Ms Poblete to leave
> after she was unable to pay for care.  Ms Poblete began to feel unwell
> during training on 8 December, as she was preparing to take part in a
> competition.  Shortly after, she gave birth to a baby weighing only 1.2kg
> (2.25lbs) and measuring about 34cm (14 inches).  Both were taken to hospital
> in Sao Paulo but Ms Poblete has since been discharged, reportedly telling
> local media she could not afford to continue receiving treatment.  Ms
> Poblete came 12th in the 75kg women's category at the 2008 Olympics in
> Beijing.
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8414375.stm
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Re: [scifinoir2] Season Ending Episode of "Dexter" Real Killer

[Mr. Worf]

I'm a few episodes behind so no spoilers! :)

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Kelwyn  wrote:

> The Season 4 finale of Dexter pulled in the show's largest audience ever
> and was the best telecast for Showtime in more than a decade.
>
> The finale was watched by 2.6 million viewers, a 71 percent increase from
> the previous season's final episode. The strong audience also led
> Californication to its best numbers ever (1.1 million viewers) and a similar
> increase over the previous season-ender.
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Re: [scifinoir2] The Chevy Volt dance

[Mr. Worf]

The vibe that I got from watching the video was that they didn't believe the
hype either... That's not mentioning the fact that the technology is lacking
and years behind other companies like Tesla.

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Martin Baxter
wrote:

>
>
> "We… are… dead… and… this… is… Hell!" -- Nadine Cross, "The Stand"
>
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 23:53:08 -0800
> Subject: [scifinoir2] The Chevy Volt dance
>
>
>  This is why I am totally unimpressed with the American auto industry.
>
>
> http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/14/chevy-volt-gets-its-own-song-and-dance-humanity-weeps-aloud/
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Re: [scifinoir2] Is Starfleet a military or scientific organization

[Mr. Worf]

You know I was thinking about this, and realized that the Romans brought
their families along with them on battles. They were part of the support
system that prepared food and took care of the animals.

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 6:15 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:

>
>
> The families on starships was the single worst idea in Trek history. It
> really doesn't speak to whether Starfleet is military though. The Enterprise
> and otehr starshps were sent to face everything from the Borg to the return
> of the Romulans. They were always being put at the forefront of battle, and
> to defend the Federation against dangers. That's a military outfit in my
> mind. no matter the idea of families on board ships.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "George Arterberry" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 2:25:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Is Starfleet a military or scientific
> organization
>
>
>
>  How many warships have famalies as its crew? I know as the Dominion War
> intensified that practice was abandoned .
>
> I think as Starfleet moved outward the "harshness" of space (Klingons,Orion
> Syndicate, Romulans) replaced Earth's wide -eyed view of joing the space
> faring worlds. but seems to me in regards to Starlfeet it s the tail wagging
> the dog. Rarely did we see Federation leadership on any level.
>
>
>
>
>  --
> *From:* Keith Johnson 
> *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Tue, December 15, 2009 1:29:57 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Is Starfleet a military or scientific
> organization
>
>
>
>  I think it's clearly a military organization with major scientific,
> colonization, and exploratory mandates. It's completely organized in a
> militaristic structure, from what we see, as far back as Archer's time. The
> head of Starfleet is a military person, people go to a military academy,
> everyone who serves is ranked, and the major vessels are vessels of war--er,
> defense.  We often see Starfleet vessels doing scientific work, even the
> flagship. But even many of their science vessels are military in nature.
>
> There was an ep of TNG in which Picard and Riker were set as opponents in
> war games. The one where that goofy-looking dude from a race of master
> strategists was running the whole thing. In that show, Picard protested the
> games, saying "Starfeet is an exploratory body". Hearing him say that
> while standing on the bridge of what's basically a naval vessel in space was
> funny to me. Even in the movie "The Wrath of Khan", Kirk's son speask of
> Starfleet as military, which was why he feared giving them Genesis.
>
>
>
> I think that some have stressed the admittedly advanced scientific/explorat
> ory aspects of Starfleet, but I'd still say it's military. And sometimes
> that scientific/explorat ory aspect is to act as transport/support for
> civilians engaged in those endeavors.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "George Arterberry" 
> To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 12:29:45 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Is Starfleet a military or scientific organization
>
>
>
>  Thoughts?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>



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Re: [scifinoir2] Aussie scifi for kids

[Mr. Worf]

The old "Bread and circuses" technique. It works when the economy is strong,
but when things aren't doing well they have to come up with something else.
Bush tried the "enemies are at the gates" technique but you can't use it
indefinitely like he did. When will they realize that the country will be
benefited by education?

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Martin Baxter
wrote:

>
>
> Conservatives also want the sheeple to stay sheeple, smug, dumb and happy.
> What better way than to get rid of quality educational-for-all-ages TV?
>
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:10:36 -0800
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Aussie scifi for kids
>
>
>  The problem they had there is the same problems that we had here about 15
> years ago. Public tv becomes an easy target for conservatives that believe
> that public tv goes against their political bent. In doing so they do more
> damage in the long run because public tv is for everyone.
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Martin Baxter  > wrote:
>
>
>
> A shame. All the worse, because it's a darn good idea, amrketing SF for
> kids. Start priming the audience early with good stuff, and they'll keep
> coming back for more. And the more creative of them will create more.
>
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
> --
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> From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 23:03:21 -0800
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Aussie scifi for kids
>
>
>  I found this clip on youtube. There are a couple of shows in it where the
> production values were as good or better than American tv shows for adults.
> Unfortunately, the budgets were cut for the shows. :(
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfAl_mldc7g
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Re: [scifinoir2] Blockbuster DVD rental kiosks headed for Dominick's

[Mr. Worf]

BB is trying their best playing catch up.

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Kelwyn  wrote:

>
> www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-fri-kiosks-blockbuster-1211-dec11,0,5814491.story
>
> chicagotribune.com
>
> Blockbuster DVD rental kiosks headed for Dominick's
>
> NCR acquires DVDPlay Inc. to expand into Illinois, California and Colorado
>
> By Julie Wernau
>
> Tribune reporter
>
> December 11, 2009
>
> Chicagoans renting DVDs at kiosks at Dominick's soon will be renting from
> Blockbuster Express, a unit of NCR Corp., as a result of Thursday's
> announcement that NCR had acquired DVDPlay Inc. Terms weren't disclosed.
>
> With the acquisition, NCR will operate 3,800 kiosks in the U.S. and Canada,
> expanding its reach into California, Colorado and Illinois.
>
> Alex Camara, vice president and general manager for NCR Entertainment, said
> the company plans to have 10,000 kiosks by the end of 2010 and is in
> discussions to place kiosks in stores operated by three other retailers in
> the Chicago market. He declined to provide details.
>
> NCR's move pits it against other video-rental vendors, notably Oakbrook
> Terrace-based Redbox, a unit of Washington-based Coinstar. Redbox kiosks are
> in more than 19,000 locations in the U.S. Both Redbox and NCR charge
> customers $1 a night to rent DVDs.
>
> Blockbuster Inc. licenses its brand to NCR. Camara said the brand has
> helped spur traffic to the NCR machines.
>
> "We've really had a lot of positive feedback about the Blockbuster brand,
> both from our customers and our retail partners, because everybody knows
> what Blockbuster does," said Camara.
>
> Chris Goodrich, who handles media relations for Redbox, said the company's
> retail partners, which include McDonald's, Wal-Mart and Walgreens, would be
> difficult for a competitor to match.
>
> Each Blockbuster Express machine holds approximately 900 DVDs; Redbox has
> 630. Redbox's rapid growth and cheap prices have raised the ire of
> Hollywood, and Redbox is suing several studios that have attempted to place
> restrictions on the timing of new releases.
>
> Camara said they also do not believe restrictions should be placed on the
> timing of new releases but are working with the studios and dealing with the
> timing issue on a case-by-case basis.
>
> "We have a very good relationship with the studios," he said. "We talk to
> them frequently. Our belief is that getting into litigation with the studios
> isn't the answer."
>
> NCR stock rose 5 percent Thursday, Blockbuster dropped 1 percent, and
> Coinstar rose 2 percent.
>
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Re: [scifinoir2] What is the most annoying cliche in scifi?

[Keith Johnson]

wild 


- Original Message - 
From: "Martin Baxter"  
To: "SciFiNoir2"  
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 6:31:50 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] What is the most annoying cliche in scifi? 

  




I can say this much into it -- in my writing, the overriding theme is that 
humanity is the butt of every possible joke. No alien talks of hiring monkeys 
to do simple tasks, because humans are available. In one story, I even have a 
vegetarian race that pretends to size up humans as meals. 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net 
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 02:29:12 + 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] What is the most annoying cliche in scifi? 

  




cool 
- Original Message - 
From: "Martin Baxter"  
To: "SciFiNoir2"  
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 5:27:43 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] What is the most annoying cliche in scifi? 

  


Keith, that's a recurring theme in my works. One day, when I've got them in the 
PC... 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 






To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net 
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:50:04 + 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] What is the most annoying cliche in scifi? 

  




Yeah, but the point is always that we're getting there and "have great 
potential". Even the Organians and the Metrons said that. Might take a few 
thousand years, but there is hope. Even the people manipulating the Xindi --the 
Sphere Builders--feared humanity's potential to rally the troops in the future 
and stop there incursion into our space. 
  
 How about someone sayiing "you humans ain't chit,and we've looked into the 
future and realized you still ain't gonna be chit even a thousand years from 
now!"? 

- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 1:24:32 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] What is the most annoying cliche in scifi? 

  



There were quite a few episodes like that where higher lifeforms were not 
interested in humans. The only real exception to that was Q and he was just 
bored. 



On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 10:03 PM, Tracey de Morsella < 
tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com > wrote: 








That is the most egocentric perspective I have ever seen and I hate it too.  I 
have seen the opposite a view times.  TNG and the first traveler episode.  I 
saw it a week ago.  This guy who can send the ship through space and time and 
Reiker asks him why they have never encountered his species before, and he 
tells Reiker that he did not know  how to explain but that up until that point 
there was nothing really interesting about humanoids.   He inferred that the 
species that dominated the all Mighty Federation  were little more than ape men 
to beings like himself.    For a change, there was no Pinocchio syndrome 





From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On 
Behalf Of Keith Johnson 
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 9:35 PM 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 



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I have two that stand out. First is the "You humans are primitive but have much 
potential" angle. I don't know if it's because I'm black and have seen man's 
inhumanity against man, or just cynical, but I'd like to see a treatment where 
humans *aren't* the Next Best Thing in the galaxy! How about someone just show 
humans as frail, short-lived, backward, contentious, and not that intelligent, 
destined to be a second-tier species in the galactic community? 
The other is the hivemind/groupmind alien concept ,which always gives an easy 
out. Think of the TNG ep where those creatures got inside STarfleet officers' 
spines and controlled them. The whole gang was controlled by the Queen: kill 
her, and all the children died. Bogus! Almost every insect like alien race in 
scifi is a hive in which the Queen's death causes all the race to die.  I had 
that problem with teh Borg after a while too. 
  
  

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To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 11:56:53 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
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That's a good one. If life is imitating art right now maybe I need to go stock 
up on ammo and supplies. Anyone know where I can buy canned water and MREs? 



On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Tracey de Morsella < 
tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com > wrote: 





Black presidents pr

Re: [scifinoir2] Is Starfleet a military or scientific organization

[Keith Johnson]

The families on starships was the single worst idea in Trek history. It really 
doesn't speak to whether Starfleet is military though. The Enterprise and otehr 
starshps were sent to face everything from the Borg to the return of the 
Romulans. They were always being put at the forefront of battle, and to defend 
the Federation against dangers. That's a military outfit in my mind. no matter 
the idea of families on board ships . 


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From: "George Arterberry"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 2:25:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Is Starfleet a military or scientific organization 

  






How many warships have famalies as its crew? I know as the Dominion War 
intensified that practice was abandoned . 

I think as Starfleet moved outward the "harshness" of space (Klingons,Orion 
Syndicate, Romulans) replaced Earth's wide -eyed view of joing the space faring 
worlds. but seems to me in regards to Starlfeet it s the tail wagging the dog. 
Rarely did we see Federation leadership on any level. 


  



From: Keith Johnson  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tue, December 15, 2009 1:29:57 PM 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Is Starfleet a military or scientific organization 

  





I think it's clearly a military organization with major scientific, 
colonization, and exploratory mandates. It's completely organized in a 
militaristic structure, from what we see, as far back as Archer's time. The 
head of Starfleet is a military person, people go to a military academy, 
everyone who serves is ranked, and the major vessels are vessels of war--er, 
defense.  We often see Starfleet vessels doing scientific work, even the 
flagship. But even many of their science vessels are military in nature. 

There was an ep of TNG in which Picard and Riker were set as opponents in war 
games. The one where that goofy-looking dude from a race of master strategists 
was running the whole thing. In that show, Picard protested the games, saying 
"Starfeet is an exploratory body". Hearing him say that while standing on the 
bridge of what's basically a naval vessel in space was funny to me. Even in the 
movie "The Wrath of Khan", Kirk's son speask of Starfleet as military, which 
was why he feared giving them Genesis. 



I think that some have stressed the admittedly advanced scientific/explorat ory 
aspects of Starfleet, but I'd still say it's military. And sometimes that 
scientific/explorat ory aspect is to act as transport/support for civilians 
engaged in those endeavors. 


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To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 12:29:45 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Is Starfleet a military or scientific organization 

  






Thoughts? 


  

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Reformed Alien in Raisin Bran Commercial

[Mr. Worf]

Interesting article! He admits that it isn't a "strict" Cockney accent which
kind of throws it off. I don't hear Cockney in it though.

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RE: [scifinoir2] What is the most annoying cliche in scifi?

[Martin Baxter]

I can say this much into it -- in my writing, the overriding theme is that 
humanity is the butt of every possible joke. No alien talks of hiring monkeys 
to do simple tasks, because humans are available. In one story, I even have a 
vegetarian race that pretends to size up humans as meals.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 02:29:12 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] What is the most annoying cliche in scifi?


















 



  



  
  
  
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From: "Martin Baxter" 
To: "SciFiNoir2" 
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 5:27:43 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] What is the most annoying cliche in scifi?



  



Keith, that's a recurring theme in my works. One day, when I've got them in the 
PC... 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik







To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:50:04 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] What is the most annoying cliche in scifi?

  




Yeah, but the point is always that we're getting there and "have great 
potential". Even the Organians and the Metrons said that. Might take a few 
thousand years, but there is hope. Even the people manipulating the Xindi --the 
Sphere Builders--feared humanity's potential to rally the troops in the future 
and stop there incursion into our space.
 
 How about someone sayiing "you humans ain't chit,and we've looked into the 
future and realized you still ain't gonna be chit even a thousand years from 
now!"?

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From: "Mr. Worf" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 1:24:32 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] What is the most annoying cliche in scifi?

  



There were quite a few episodes like that where higher lifeforms were not 
interested in humans. The only real exception to that was Q and he was just 
bored. 



On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 10:03 PM, Tracey de Morsella 
 wrote:






That is the most egocentric perspective I have ever seen and I hate it too.  I 
have seen the opposite a view times.  TNG and the first traveler episode.  I 
saw it a week ago.  This guy who can send the ship through space and time and 
Reiker asks him why they have never encountered his species before, and he 
tells Reiker that he did not know  how to explain but that up until that point 
there was nothing really interesting about humanoids.   He inferred that the 
species that dominated the all Mighty Federation  were little more than ape men 
to beings like himself.For a change, there was no Pinocchio syndrome 
 


From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 9:35 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 



Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] What is the most annoying cliche in scifi?






 




I have two that stand out. First is the "You humans are primitive but have much 
potential" angle. I don't know if it's because I'm black and have seen man's 
inhumanity against man, or just cynical, but I'd like to see a treatment where 
humans *aren't* the Next Best Thing in the galaxy! How about someone just show 
humans as frail, short-lived, backward, contentious, and not that intelligent, 
destined to be a second-tier species in the galactic community?
The other is the hivemind/groupmind alien concept ,which always gives an easy 
out. Think of the TNG ep where those creatures got inside STarfleet officers' 
spines and controlled them. The whole gang was controlled by the Queen: kill 
her, and all the children died. Bogus! Almost every insect like alien race in 
scifi is a hive in which the Queen's death causes all the race to die.  I had 
that problem with teh Borg after a while too.
 
 

- Original Message -
From: "Mr. Worf" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 11:56:53 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] What is the most annoying cliche in scifi?

  



That's a good one. If life is imitating art right now maybe I need to go stock 
up on ammo and supplies. Anyone know where I can buy canned water and MREs?


On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Tracey de Morsella 
 wrote:

 

Black presidents presiding during the end of the world
 


From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Martin Baxter
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 7:51 PM
To: SciFiNoir2
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] What is the most annoying cliche in scifi?


 


I have one, and it's evolved into a second one.

Geeks who get shoved around. Now, it's become geeks who are black belts and 
such. Both cases ar

[scifinoir2] Blockbuster DVD rental kiosks headed for Dominick's

[Kelwyn]

www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-fri-kiosks-blockbuster-1211-dec11,0,5814491.story

chicagotribune.com

Blockbuster DVD rental kiosks headed for Dominick's

NCR acquires DVDPlay Inc. to expand into Illinois, California and Colorado

By Julie Wernau

Tribune reporter

December 11, 2009

Chicagoans renting DVDs at kiosks at Dominick's soon will be renting from 
Blockbuster Express, a unit of NCR Corp., as a result of Thursday's 
announcement that NCR had acquired DVDPlay Inc. Terms weren't disclosed.

With the acquisition, NCR will operate 3,800 kiosks in the U.S. and Canada, 
expanding its reach into California, Colorado and Illinois. 

Alex Camara, vice president and general manager for NCR Entertainment, said the 
company plans to have 10,000 kiosks by the end of 2010 and is in discussions to 
place kiosks in stores operated by three other retailers in the Chicago market. 
He declined to provide details. 

NCR's move pits it against other video-rental vendors, notably Oakbrook 
Terrace-based Redbox, a unit of Washington-based Coinstar. Redbox kiosks are in 
more than 19,000 locations in the U.S. Both Redbox and NCR charge customers $1 
a night to rent DVDs.

Blockbuster Inc. licenses its brand to NCR. Camara said the brand has helped 
spur traffic to the NCR machines. 

"We've really had a lot of positive feedback about the Blockbuster brand, both 
from our customers and our retail partners, because everybody knows what 
Blockbuster does," said Camara.

Chris Goodrich, who handles media relations for Redbox, said the company's 
retail partners, which include McDonald's, Wal-Mart and Walgreens, would be 
difficult for a competitor to match.

Each Blockbuster Express machine holds approximately 900 DVDs; Redbox has 630. 
Redbox's rapid growth and cheap prices have raised the ire of Hollywood, and 
Redbox is suing several studios that have attempted to place restrictions on 
the timing of new releases. 

Camara said they also do not believe restrictions should be placed on the 
timing of new releases but are working with the studios and dealing with the 
timing issue on a case-by-case basis. 

"We have a very good relationship with the studios," he said. "We talk to them 
frequently. Our belief is that getting into litigation with the studios isn't 
the answer."

NCR stock rose 5 percent Thursday, Blockbuster dropped 1 percent, and Coinstar 
rose 2 percent.

jwer...@tribune.com

Copyright © 2009, Chicago Tribune

RE: [scifinoir2] Ali Larter To Star in UFO Reboot Movie

[Martin Baxter]

Bookmarked it myself, for viewing when I have the time.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 03:05:54 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Ali Larter To Star in UFO Reboot Movie


















 



  



  
  
  
kewl!


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From: "Martin Baxter" 
To: "SciFiNoir2" 
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 6:00:45 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Ali Larter To Star in UFO Reboot Movie



  




Pieces of it here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fsoeAC_gRw

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik







To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 05:18:22 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Ali Larter To Star in UFO Reboot Movie

  




Wonder if it's available online anywhere?

- Original Message -
From: "Tracey de Morsella" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 9:21:55 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Ali Larter To Star in UFO Reboot Movie

  






It sounds like something I would have watched.  
 


From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 6:16 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Ali Larter To Star in UFO Reboot Movie
 




Really? I thought you of all the people would have seen "The Champions", but 
I'm not sure it was rebroadcast in Philly or other major cities.
I really enjoyed it, and I can hum that crazy opening music to this day. By the 
way, the American actor in that series is Stuart Damon, a well know soap opera 
veteran, best known as Dr. Alan Quartermaine on "General Hospital".
 
I agree about wanting more shows on DVD. This winter I'm starting a very 
concerted effort to find classic cartoons on DVD or online where I can watch 
them on the multimedia setup I"m building. I'm talking about stuff like the old 
Felix the Cat, the Max Fleischer Popeye cartoons (and the black-and-white 
ones), those racist cartoons with the Black Sambo character that chased a Minor 
bird in the jungle (I'd like to keep records of such things as a rememberance 
of how things used to be), Cool McCool, Mighty Heroes, etc.
There are so many classic 'toons from the last seventy or eighty years I 
remember watching as a kid, but it's so hard to find them. Many show up on 
things such as TNT's infrequent cartoon specials. Others are cut up and slapped 
together on DVD collections, but those are usually scattershot selections that 
are incomplete.

- Original Message -
From: "Tracey de Morsella" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 9:02:38 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Ali Larter To Star in UFO Reboot Movie

  





I never heard of it
 
I found it on  IMDB
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0062551/ 
 
I wish they would release some of these shows online or on DVD.  I wish the 
syfy channel had considered syndicating them.  So chance that was ever going to 
happen.
 


From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 5:49 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Ali Larter To Star in UFO Reboot Movie
 



Do you recall an obscure series called "The Champions"? It's about three 
people--one American, two Brits--who are in a plane crash in the Himalayas. 
There, a man from a hidden group of people places a mark of each ot them, which 
results in their having super powers. They develop superfast reflexes, 
superstrength, advanced healing, and the ability to telepathically communicate 
with each others. They use their powers as secret agents, but are careful to 
keep their abilities secret from their boss.
 
 It used to air late nights on Saturdays back in DFW when I was a kid. I really 
dug the show.

- Original Message -
From: "Mr. Worf" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 7:24:02 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Ali Larter To Star in UFO Reboot Movie

  



I agree with you on that Martin. :) 

I didn't watch UFO until last year or so after renting the series. It was 
pretty good but ended too soon. There's a lot of interesting UK scifi shows 
from that time frame that had a hip / darkness to it. The Avengers, and the 
Prisoner  for example. What I'm afraid of is that at this rate they will 
eventually use up all of the good stuff making bad remakes.


On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Martin Baxter  
wrote:



Would've grabbed my attention as well, Keith. I'm in the distinct minority of 
men who don't reall

RE: [scifinoir2] More most annoying cliches in scifi

[Martin Baxter]

Mr Worf, I'm tired, so it'll take me awhile to add to the list. For now, my 
Muse is running hot enough to alllow me to comment on your offered cliches (all 
but one of which are spot on).

1) I loathe this one. When I do write about UFOs, I usually have them shooting 
down or outrunning anything that's stupid enough to come their way. (My LGMs 
don't play.)

2) Three monitors tops, and the lady said that she was about to get rid of one, 
as it was a distraction.

3) Just plain silly.

4) I guess they get more intelligent as they commit more crimes? Or they're 
committing crimes during the day, and auditing night classes?

5) My one disagreement. Give me awhile to play with this one, and I can make 
that standalone building accessible. (Evil doesn't play, either.)

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 23:04:36 -0800
Subject: [scifinoir2] More most annoying cliches in scifi


















 



  



  
  
  
Here are some more cliches: 

1. The crashed UFO. This has been used in books and movies since the Roswell 
crash back in the 1940s. (there may have also been a crash in the 1800s as 
well!) My question is if they are so advanced why do they keep crashing here? 
:) 


2. The hacker with 17 monitors. This has been showing up lately on a lot of tv 
shows. I have yet to see anyone in real life have more than 5. Have you?

3. The abandoned warehouse with a desk or office setup in the middle of the 
floor. If you have a "secret" lab that is situated in an abandoned warehouse 
why would you have all of the equipment sitting in the middle of the floor?? 
Also wouldn't you be concerned that someone would trip over the extension cord??


4. Super-psychos. Not only is he a psycho killer but he has the intelligence to 
to be a computer hacker, cellphone hacker, and tap into video systems too. 
Where does he find time to commit the crimes? Ummm yea right. 


5.  Speaking of hacking. Every cop and scifi movie / tv show has a hacker 
person that performs miracles on systems that couldn't possibly be connected to 
the internet such as security cameras in private buildings etc. Totally bogus 
but it happens so much in movies that people probably think that they can 
actually do this. Not only is it not possible but it is illegal without a 
warrant! (no matter what the Homeland Security says.)



Let's make a list.





 









  
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RE: [scifinoir2] The Chevy Volt dance

[Martin Baxter]

"We… are… dead… and… this… is… Hell!" -- Nadine Cross, "The Stand"

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 23:53:08 -0800
Subject: [scifinoir2] The Chevy Volt dance


















 



  



  
  
  This is why I am totally unimpressed with the American auto industry. 
http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/14/chevy-volt-gets-its-own-song-and-dance-humanity-weeps-aloud/

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RE: [scifinoir2] Daybreakers

[Martin Baxter]

Caught the trailer for this about a year ago, in one of my groups. I'm more 
than warm for it.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com; ggs...@yahoo.com; cinque3...@verizon.net
From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:08:35 -0800
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Daybreakers


















 



  



  
  
  








Daybreakers:  Stars Ethan Hawke, Willem Dafoe, and Sam Neill

In the year 2019, a plague has transformed most every human
into vampires. Faced with a dwindling blood supply, the fractured dominant race
plots their survival; meanwhile, a researcher works with a covert band of vamps
on a way to save humankind. |

 

Its not a redo or a sequel.  Sound pretty good.

 

Found this on IMDB about it 

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0433362/

attended the World Premiere of "Daybreakers" at
the 2009 Toronto International Film Festival. Like many genre films being
screened here, it's another fascinating hybrid -- let's call this one vampire
sci-fi action adventure.



This Australian horror film (is it something in the water?) was written and
directed by brothers Michael and Peter Spierig, the very same filmmakers who
closed down the legendary Uptown Theatre in Toronto with "Undead" in
2003. That made this a homecoming of sorts. In fact, it turns out they'd been
working on "Daybreakers" since that very day.



It's 2019, and there's been a role reversal -- the world is populated primarily
by vampires. Humans are now a hunted minority and an essential food source --
think "Alien" meets "Soylent Green." Charles Bromley (Sam
Neill) is the head of a mega-corporation which reaps hefty profits off the
"arrangement." Ethan Hawke plays Edward, chief blood researcher.
Later, we'll meet outlaw Elvis (Willem Dafoe). His role here becomes more 
pivotal
as the story progresses but I'll leave it at that.



All are up to the task but, despite the presence of veterans Neill, Hawke, and
Dafoe, "Daybreakers" is still story-driven and would be less
effective if not for an ingenious plot filled with unexpected turns and nonstop
action that had me on the edge of my seat, literally. The script is laden with
unpredictable twists and shocking reveals that will surprise viewers. Horrific
mutant creatures appear out of nowhere with perfect timing.



The brothers Spierig take a thorough hands-on approach, involving themselves in
many of the technical aspects along with writing and directing. Ben Nott's
sweeping cinematography and crisp editing by Matt Villa helps fulfill their
vision of a dark world in which the protagonists are often difficult to
identify.



Groundbreaking visual and special effects often elicited cheers from the
audience here. I was wide-eyed from start to finish witnessing some of the most
jawdropping stunts and shocking "kills" I've seen in a genre film.
The color palette is essential to the story as, of course, the undead can only
come out at night. Since most shots are necessarily interiors or in darkness,
pushing the blue reflects the bleak lighting conditions under which the
population lives, as well as the washed-out appearance of what (we imagine)
vampires look like. As in most genre movies, sound is as essential to the story
as are characters, and composer Christopher Gordon's masterful score matches up
with the brilliant work of the effects team to punctuate the many intense
action sequences.



Michael and Peter Spierig attended the screening along with Willem Dafoe and
Sam Neill. The Q&A ran well into the early morning hours.



(NOTE: "Daybreakers" was the runner-up for the Midnight Madness
Cadillac People's Choice Award)

 





From:
scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr.
Worf

Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 4:43 PM

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [scifinoir2] Daybreakers





 





If you haven't seen the ad yet. It is about a world most of the human race has
turned into vampires. http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1809912192/info




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RE: [scifinoir2] Aussie scifi for kids

[Martin Baxter]

Conservatives also want the sheeple to stay sheeple, smug, dumb and happy. What 
better way than to get rid of quality educational-for-all-ages TV?

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:10:36 -0800
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Aussie scifi for kids


















 



  



  
  
  The problem they had there is the same problems that we had here about 15 
years ago. Public tv becomes an easy target for conservatives that believe that 
public tv goes against their political bent. In doing so they do more damage in 
the long run because public tv is for everyone. 



On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Martin Baxter  
wrote:


























A shame. All the worse, because it's a darn good idea, amrketing SF for kids. 
Start priming the audience early with good stuff, and they'll keep coming back 
for more. And the more creative of them will create more.


"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 23:03:21 -0800

Subject: [scifinoir2] Aussie scifi for kids


















 



  



  
  
  I found this clip on youtube. There are a couple of shows in it where the 
production values were as good or better than American tv shows for adults. 
Unfortunately, the budgets were cut for the shows. :(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfAl_mldc7g







 









  
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RE: [scifinoir2] SyFy's "Annihilation Earth" More and Less than Expected

[Martin Baxter]

I was hoping that they'd re-air it, so that I could let you know. Even called 
the station (PBS 30), but I only got the runaround. Would've gone there, if I'd 
had the time.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 02:31:25 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] SyFy's "Annihilation Earth" More and Less than 
Expected


















 



  



  
  
  
A year ago i wasn't working, and could have used that distraction. Dang!


- Original Message -
From: "Martin Baxter" 
To: "SciFiNoir2" 
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 5:51:23 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] SyFy's "Annihilation Earth" More and Less than 
Expected



  




One of the PBS stations her ein Atlanta re-aired the "Ultraviolet" mini, Keith. 
About a year ago, during a pledge drive, REALLY late at night. I came across it 
at about three in the ante.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik







To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 21:50:46 -0800
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] SyFy's "Annihilation Earth" More and Less than 
Expected

  





It was packaged as such, but they sold it like Alice and some of their other 
independently produced movies that are not Saturday night stuff.  It was before 
they had the current Saturday night programming
 
Yes I too loved Ultraviolet.  
 


From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 9:21 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] SyFy's "Annihilation Earth" More and Less than 
Expected
 




I think I saw it packaged as a SyFy Original, but maybe not. It gets shown a 
lot, so maybe that's why I thought it was part of that. 
Speaking of Ultraviolet, I loved that series. You were speaking of the great 
British miniseries right?

- Original Message -
From: "Tracey de Morsella" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 9:20:50 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] SyFy's "Annihilation Earth" More and Less than  
Expected

  





Dog Soldiers was never part of the most dangerous night on television was it?  
Tell me it ain’t true.  I thought it was a purchase mini-series from the BBC, 
like Ultra Violet
 


From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 6:04 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] SyFy's "Annihilation Earth" More and Less than 
Expected
 



Other than "Dog Soldiers", I can't think of any that are anymore than fair, or 
fun camp. Mostly they're just bad...

- Original Message -
From: "Omari Confer" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 8:44:25 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] SyFy's "Annihilation Earth" More and Less than  
Expected

  





Are there any good syfy movies? I dont think they exsist. 

 

Spectacular Spidermand tv show is excellent by the way..

 

c w m

On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 7:34 PM, Keith Johnson  
wrote:

  




I was relating to my wife how the Southern American accent is a staple of film 
and television. Think of how many times you've seen a show with the Southern 
Congressman speaking with his thck accent, or the Texas general running a 
military op?

 



- Original Message -
From: "Martin Baxter" 
To: "SciFiNoir2" 


Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 5:07:12 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] SyFy's "Annihilation Earth" More and Less than 
Expected

  





Tracey, think of it this way.

The next time you're ina  discussion of the Worst Movie Accents of All Time, 
you've got material to run with. (That's how I'm taking it.) Really don't see 
why they had to make her character a Southerner. Working for CERN, she could've 
remained British and been fine.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik







To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:34:28 -0800
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] SyFy's "Annihilation Earth" More and Less than 
Expected

  



 

I saw the last twenty minutes.  Argh  Marina Siritis’ accent would switch 
between English and pseudo southern – it was weird.It was bad and the 
ending was unbelievable.  I usually never tune in to scifi Saturday movies.  
Wish I had stuck to that policy

 



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Of Keith Johnson
Sent: Sunday

RE: [scifinoir2] Is Starfleet a military or scientific organization

[Martin Baxter]

Can't say it any better.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 18:29:57 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Is Starfleet a military or scientific organization


















 



  



  
  
  
I think it's clearly a military organization with major scientific, 
colonization, and exploratory mandates. It's completely organized in a 
militaristic structure, from what we see, as far back as Archer's time. The 
head of Starfleet is a military person, people go to a military academy, 
everyone who serves is ranked, and the major vessels are vessels of war--er, 
defense.  We often see Starfleet vessels doing scientific work, even the 
flagship. But even many of their science vessels are military in nature.

There was an ep of TNG in which Picard and Riker were set as opponents in war 
games. The one where that goofy-looking dude from a race of master strategists 
was running the whole thing. In that show, Picard protested the games, saying 
"Starfeet is an exploratory body". Hearing him say that while standing on the 
bridge of what's basically a naval vessel in space was funny to me. Even in the 
movie "The Wrath of Khan", Kirk's son speask of Starfleet as military, which 
was why he feared giving them Genesis.

 

I think that some have stressed the admittedly advanced scientific/exploratory 
aspects of Starfleet, but I'd still say it's military. And sometimes that 
scientific/exploratory aspect is to act as transport/support for civilians 
engaged in those endeavors.


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To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 12:29:45 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] Is Starfleet a military or scientific organization



  







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RE: [scifinoir2] Chile weightlifter has unexpected baby during training

[Martin Baxter]

I can buy it, especially if she was on training supplements. Hope the baby'll 
be alright.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 09:49:24 -0800
Subject: [scifinoir2] Chile weightlifter has unexpected baby during training


















 



  



  
  
  








Chilean Olympic weightlifter Elizabeth Poblete has given
birth to a baby boy during a training session, without having known she was
pregnant.

Ms Poblete, 22, who lives in Brazil, said she had felt unwell but had had no
idea she was expecting a baby.  The boy was three months premature and was
taken to hospital with his mother, where he remains in intensive care.  The
hospital in Sao Paulo denied reports it forced Ms Poblete to leave after she
was unable to pay for care.  Ms Poblete began to feel unwell during training on
8 December, as she was preparing to take part in a competition.  Shortly after,
she gave birth to a baby weighing only 1.2kg (2.25lbs) and measuring about 34cm
(14 inches).  Both were taken to hospital in Sao Paulo but Ms Poblete has since
been discharged, reportedly telling local media she could not afford to
continue receiving treatment.  Ms Poblete came 12th in the 75kg women's
category at the 2008 Olympics in Beijing. 


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RE: [scifinoir2] Chile weightlifter has unexpected baby during training

[Martin Baxter]

Mr Worf, my oldest sister, when she was pregnant with her son, thought it was 
gas initially as well. After it continued for two weeks, she went to the 
doctor, came home with a glazed look on her face. Took me half an hour to get 
the story out of her.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:11:19 -0800
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Chile weightlifter has unexpected baby during 
training


















 



  



  
  
  There's a joke here somewhere... There is a tv series on Discovery Health 
about stuff like this. I'm wondering if folks feel the kicking or just think 
that its gas?



On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Tracey de Morsella 
 wrote:


































Chilean Olympic weightlifter Elizabeth Poblete has given
birth to a baby boy during a training session, without having known she was
pregnant.


Ms Poblete, 22, who lives in Brazil, said she had felt unwell but had had no
idea she was expecting a baby.  The boy was three months premature and was
taken to hospital with his mother, where he remains in intensive care.  The
hospital in Sao Paulo denied reports it forced Ms Poblete to leave after she
was unable to pay for care.  Ms Poblete began to feel unwell during training on
8 December, as she was preparing to take part in a competition.  Shortly after,
she gave birth to a baby weighing only 1.2kg (2.25lbs) and measuring about 34cm
(14 inches).  Both were taken to hospital in Sao Paulo but Ms Poblete has since
been discharged, reportedly telling local media she could not afford to
continue receiving treatment.  Ms Poblete came 12th in the 75kg women's
category at the 2008 Olympics in Beijing. 


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8414375.stm


























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Re: [scifinoir2] Chile weightlifter has unexpected baby during training

[Mr. Worf]

There's a joke here somewhere... There is a tv series on Discovery Health
about stuff like this. I'm wondering if folks feel the kicking or just think
that its gas?


On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Tracey de Morsella <
tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com> wrote:

>
>
>  *Chilean Olympic weightlifter Elizabeth Poblete has given birth to a baby
> boy during a training session, without having known she was pregnant.*
>
> Ms Poblete, 22, who lives in Brazil, said she had felt unwell but had had
> no idea she was expecting a baby.  The boy was three months premature and
> was taken to hospital with his mother, where he remains in intensive care.
>  The hospital in Sao Paulo denied reports it forced Ms Poblete to leave
> after she was unable to pay for care.  Ms Poblete began to feel unwell
> during training on 8 December, as she was preparing to take part in a
> competition.  Shortly after, she gave birth to a baby weighing only 1.2kg
> (2.25lbs) and measuring about 34cm (14 inches).  Both were taken to hospital
> in Sao Paulo but Ms Poblete has since been discharged, reportedly telling
> local media she could not afford to continue receiving treatment.  Ms
> Poblete came 12th in the 75kg women's category at the 2008 Olympics in
> Beijing.
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8414375.stm
>
>
> 
>



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[scifinoir2] Season Ending Episode of "Dexter" Real Killer

[Kelwyn]

The Season 4 finale of Dexter pulled in the show's largest audience ever and 
was the best telecast for Showtime in more than a decade.

The finale was watched by 2.6 million viewers, a 71 percent increase from the 
previous season's final episode. The strong audience also led Californication 
to its best numbers ever (1.1 million viewers) and a similar increase over the 
previous season-ender.

Re: [scifinoir2] Is Starfleet a military or scientific organization

[Mr. Worf]

Good question. They were primarily scientific but could throw down when it
was time to fight. They could have been a lot more militaristic though but
it would have ruined the show.


On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 9:29 AM, George Arterberry <
brotherfromhow...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>



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Re: [scifinoir2] Is Starfleet a military or scientific organization

[George Arterberry]

How many warships have famalies as its crew? I know as the Dominion War 
intensified that practice was abandoned .

I think as Starfleet moved outward the "harshness" of space (Klingons,Orion 
Syndicate, Romulans) replaced Earth's wide -eyed view of joing the space faring 
worlds. but seems to me in regards to Starlfeet it s the tail wagging the dog. 
Rarely did we see Federation leadership on any level.


 




From: Keith Johnson 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, December 15, 2009 1:29:57 PM
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Is Starfleet a military or scientific organization

  
I think it's clearly a military organization with major scientific, 
colonization, and exploratory mandates. It's completely organized in a 
militaristic structure, from what we see, as far back as Archer's time. The 
head of Starfleet is a military person, people go to a military academy, 
everyone who serves is ranked, and the major vessels are vessels of war--er, 
defense.  We often see Starfleet vessels doing scientific work, even the 
flagship. But even many of their science vessels are military in nature.
There was an ep of TNG in which Picard and Riker were set as opponents in war 
games. The one where that goofy-looking dude from a race of master strategists 
was running the whole thing. In that show, Picard protested the games, saying 
"Starfeet is an exploratory body". Hearing him say that while standing on the 
bridge of what's basically a naval vessel in space was funny to me. Even in the 
movie "The Wrath of Khan", Kirk's son speask of Starfleet as military, which 
was why he feared giving them Genesis.
 
I think that some have stressed the admittedly advanced scientific/explorat ory 
aspects of Starfleet, but I'd still say it's military. And sometimes that 
scientific/explorat ory aspect is to act as transport/support for civilians 
engaged in those endeavors.

- Original Message -
From: "George Arterberry" 
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 12:29:45 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] Is Starfleet a military or scientific organization

  
Thoughts?


 




  

[scifinoir2] Re: Chile weightlifter has unexpected baby during training

[Keith Johnson]

Maybe her devotion to weightlifting--with the diet and body sculpting that go 
with it--kept her body from changing shape too much? I've heard of women whose 
body shapes don't change much, not knowing. Now, there are some hormonal 
changes that should make some things start up, and some monthy functions stop, 
righti? But I wonder if her life as a weightlifter had already thrown that out 
of whack, so nothing changed? I've heard that many Olympic level runners, for 
example, lose monthy cycles and so forth. 


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Subject: Re: Chile weightlifter has unexpected baby during training 

 How does anyone not know they are pregnant? 








  





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Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 11:49 AM 





Chilean Olympic weightlifter Elizabeth Poblete has given birth to a baby boy 
during a training session, without having known she was pregnant. 
Ms Poblete, 22, who lives in Brazil, said she had felt unwell but had had no 
idea she was expecting a baby.  The boy was three months premature and was 
taken to hospital with his mother, where he remains in intensive care.  The 
hospital in Sao Paulo denied reports it forced Ms Poblete to leave after she 
was unable to pay for care.  Ms Poblete began to feel unwell during training on 
8 December, as she was preparing to take part in a competition.  Shortly after, 
she gave birth to a baby weighing only 1.2kg (2.25lbs) and measuring about 34cm 
(14 inches).  Both were taken to hospital in Sao Paulo but Ms Poblete has since 
been discharged, reportedly telling local media she could not afford to 
continue receiving treatment.  Ms Poblete came 12th in the 75kg women's 
category at the 2008 Olympics in Beijing. 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8414375.stm 

Re: [scifinoir2] Is Starfleet a military or scientific organization

[Keith Johnson]

I think it's clearly a military organization with major scientific, 
colonization, and exploratory mandates. It's completely organized in a 
militaristic structure, from what we see, as far back as Archer's time. The 
head of Starfleet is a military person, people go to a military academy, 
everyone who serves is ranked, and the major vessels are vessels of war--er, 
defense.  We often see Starfleet vessels doing scientific work, even the 
flagship. But even many of their science vessels are military in nature. 

There was an ep of TNG in which Picard and Riker were set as opponents in war 
games. The one where that goofy-looking dude from a race of master strategists 
was running the whole thing. In that show, Picard protested the games, saying 
"Starfeet is an exploratory body". Hearing him say that while standing on the 
bridge of what's basically a naval vessel in space was funny to me. Even in the 
movie "The Wrath of Khan", Kirk's son speask of Starfleet as military, which 
was why he feared giving them Genesis. 



I think that some have stressed the admittedly advanced scientific/exploratory 
aspects of Starfleet, but I'd still say it's military. And sometimes that 
scientific/exploratory aspect is to act as transport/support for civilians 
engaged in those endeavors. 


- Original Message - 
From: "George Arterberry"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 12:29:45 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Is Starfleet a military or scientific organization 

  






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Re: [scifinoir2] Is Starfleet a military or scientific organization

[Justin Mohareb]

Similar to the coast guard, it fulfills both functions.  Primarily it  
seems to be a military organization.


Justin

On 2009-12-15, at 12:29 PM, George Arterberry > wrote:



Thoughts?

[scifinoir2] Chile weightlifter has unexpected baby during training

[Tracey de Morsella]

Chilean Olympic weightlifter Elizabeth Poblete has given birth to a baby boy
during a training session, without having known she was pregnant.

Ms Poblete, 22, who lives in Brazil, said she had felt unwell but had had no
idea she was expecting a baby.  The boy was three months premature and was
taken to hospital with his mother, where he remains in intensive care.  The
hospital in Sao Paulo denied reports it forced Ms Poblete to leave after she
was unable to pay for care.  Ms Poblete began to feel unwell during training
on 8 December, as she was preparing to take part in a competition.  Shortly
after, she gave birth to a baby weighing only 1.2kg (2.25lbs) and measuring
about 34cm (14 inches).  Both were taken to hospital in Sao Paulo but Ms
Poblete has since been discharged, reportedly telling local media she could
not afford to continue receiving treatment.  Ms Poblete came 12th in the
75kg women's category at the 2008 Olympics in Beijing. 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8414375.stm

[scifinoir2] Is Starfleet a military or scientific organization

[George Arterberry]

Thoughts?


  

[scifinoir2] Re: Reformed Alien in Raisin Bran Commercial

[Kelwyn]

As the Gecko, himself, says in one of his commercials - "Funny you should 
mention that -"

http://theinspirationroom.com/daily/2006/geico-gecko-voiced-by-jake-wood/

~rave!

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Re: [scifinoir2] More most annoying cliches in scifi

[Adrianne Brennan]

The standard in software development these days is 2-3. Anything more than
that is ridiculous.

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On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 2:04 AM, Mr. Worf  wrote:

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> Here are some more cliches:
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> 1. The crashed UFO. This has been used in books and movies since the
> Roswell crash back in the 1940s. (there may have also been a crash in the
> 1800s as well!) My question is if they are so advanced why do they keep
> crashing here? :)
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> 2. The hacker with 17 monitors. This has been showing up lately on a lot of
> tv shows. I have yet to see anyone in real life have more than 5. Have you?
>
> 3. The abandoned warehouse with a desk or office setup in the middle of the
> floor. If you have a "secret" lab that is situated in an abandoned warehouse
> why would you have all of the equipment sitting in the middle of the floor??
> Also wouldn't you be concerned that someone would trip over the extension
> cord??
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> 4. Super-psychos. Not only is he a psycho killer but he has the
> intelligence to to be a computer hacker, cellphone hacker, and tap into
> video systems too. Where does he find time to commit the crimes? Ummm yea
> right.
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> 5.  Speaking of hacking. Every cop and scifi movie / tv show has a hacker
> person that performs miracles on systems that couldn't possibly be connected
> to the internet such as security cameras in private buildings etc. Totally
> bogus but it happens so much in movies that people probably think that they
> can actually do this. Not only is it not possible but it is illegal without
> a warrant! (no matter what the Homeland Security says.)
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> Let's make a list.
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