[RE][scifinoir2] Well, There's Always Reruns of the Cartoon...
Keith, part of me wants to come to Night's defense and say that he's had this casting shoved down his throat by the money men. But I can't see him taking that lying down, and he hasn't said a word into any of this that I've seen. Ergo, this one is now on the same list as The Movie About The Ship That Hit An Iceberg And Sank and any Wayans Bros film, never to be watched in any medium under any circumstances. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Well, There's Always Reruns of the Cartoon... Date : Sun, 18 Jan 2009 08:06:41 + From : keithbjohn...@comcast.net To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com To follow up Sincere's lead, I found a couple of really interesting posts on the casting of all Caucasian actors for the Last Airbender movie. I'm still a bit stunned at what M. Knight has done. It's just so insulting. Three decades since the silliness of Irish American David Carradine playing a half-Asian in Kung Fu, and H'Wood doesn't see the insult in taking a world full of nothing but Asian and Inuit culture, and casting all whites as the leads? Worse: I'm reading stuff to make me wonder if the entire show will be people with Caucasians. I always assumed the movie would be filmed in an Asian country, but I'm reading stuff to make me think most of the various populations will be Caucasian too. I'm one of the biggest Avatar fans around, but if this casting holds, I will not be paying to see the film. I just can't imagine sitting in a theatre watching people in modern-day blackface eating with chopsticks, writing in Chinese characters, calling each other Fong or Wu. Here are some pics of the leads --hope they come through--followed by a few comments from bloggers. Most interesting to me is how many whites are upset with the casting. Seeing a lot of Asians upset, of course, and blacks as well. Indeed, this quote from a Brother about the whole affair is one of the best I've read: If they�re supposed to be some generic everyrace, then hell, why not toss in some black actors, or Latinos? That makes about as much sense. Zuko�s a bit of a thug; let�s make him black. Hell, let�s make the whole Fire Nation black; Hollywood loves to make us the bad guys. I'm also seeing that I even I was unaware just how big and widespread the following for the series is. Katara, as played by (non-Asian) Nicola Peltz Zuko, as played by (non-Asian) Jesse McCartney Sokka, as played by (non-Asian) Jackson Rathbone Noah Turner is Ang *** http://theangryblackwoman.com/2008/12/10/m-night-say-it-isnt-so/ Nihilunder, on December 10th, 2008 at 9:31 pm Said: As a white person I feel about as condescended to as you do marginalized. Why do the goons in hollywood think white people just won�t see a movie unless the cast looks like them? I mean, look at us: we help drive the imported anime industry, listen to rap music, and eat up foreign movies on those rare occasions when they are offered. Is the message not clear? I can�t help but conclude that they think I�m stupid. �But Nihilunder, what about BET and similar programming that doesn�t get a white audience?� If the product is a quality one, we see it; most visual media geared toward non-whites is of questionable quality, and THAT�S why we don�t spend our money on it. If it�s good, we really don�t much care if the cast is all asian, or all black, etc. Honest. I love Avatar as well, and I�m sickened at how the studio is going to screw this up. Not that I should be surprised, really; just about every movie adaptation of anything ever made has been crap, so why should this be any different? Kristen, on December 10th, 2008 at 9:54 pm Said: I belong to an Avatar community on LJ. We all had mixed feelings about the live-action film, but there was a general assumtion that at least some of the cast would be Asian, and that Katara amp; Sokka would wind up being played by somebody�anybody�with at least a natural deep tan. When the casting choices were unveiled, you could actually HEAR the excrement hitting the fan. There are a LOT of people who are deeply infuriated by this. It�s insane. It�s stupid. �There is no Asia in Avatarverse� I saw one defender declaim. I suppose. Except for the writing, which is all in Chinese, with scattered Korean. And the clothing, which varies from fantastical to regionally-specific. And the names, which are mostly meaningful, derived-from-Asian-languages ones. And the culture cues, like the background artwork and eating with chopsticks. And the OBVIOUSLY DIFFERENT ETHNICITIES OF THE CAST�S FEATURES. FINE. Talent over race. But you can�t tell me that in the entirety of the entertainment industry, there aren�t three decent actors who could at least vaguely resemble their characters. It�s shameful and ridiculous and I, a white girl from southern California who never makes a stand on anything, am not going to pay one cent
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Well, There's Always Reruns of the Cartoon...
I wondered that too, but one is forced to ask how somehow like M. Knight could be bullied into taking such a cast? I know he's lost a lot of his cachet in recent years, but still, he's not some rube right off the streets trying to make his first film. This is inexcusable to me on any level. Hate to admit I did watch Titanic and enjoyed it well enough, though it's not one I'd sit through again. As for the Wayans, last film I saw in which they were involved was White Chicks, and that was only because a friend had it running at a Christmas party. It was stupid, crude, extremely explicit in its sexual jokes, and just completely not funny. Can you imagine sitting in a room full of blacks, whites, and Asians, trying to meet people and have small talk with men and women, and having that running in the background? -- Original message -- From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com Keith, part of me wants to come to Night's defense and say that he's had this casting shoved down his throat by the money men. But I can't see him taking that lying down, and he hasn't said a word into any of this that I've seen. Ergo, this one is now on the same list as The Movie About The Ship That Hit An Iceberg And Sank and any Wayans Bros film, never to be watched in any medium under any circumstances. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Well, There's Always Reruns of the Cartoon... Date : Sun, 18 Jan 2009 08:06:41 + From : keithbjohn...@comcast.net To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com To follow up Sincere's lead, I found a couple of really interesting posts on the casting of all Caucasian actors for the Last Airbender movie. I'm still a bit stunned at what M. Knight has done. It's just so insulting. Three decades since the silliness of Irish American David Carradine playing a half-Asian in Kung Fu, and H'Wood doesn't see the insult in taking a world full of nothing but Asian and Inuit culture, and casting all whites as the leads? Worse: I'm reading stuff to make me wonder if the entire show will be people with Caucasians. I always assumed the movie would be filmed in an Asian country, but I'm reading stuff to make me think most of the various populations will be Caucasian too. I'm one of the biggest Avatar fans around, but if this casting holds, I will not be paying to see the film. I just can't imagine sitting in a theatre watching people in modern-day blackface eating with chopsticks, writing in Chinese characters, calling each other Fong or Wu. Here are some pics of the leads --hope they come through--followed by a few comments from bloggers. Most interesting to me is how many whites are upset with the casting. Seeing a lot of Asians upset, of course, and blacks as well. Indeed, this quote from a Brother about the whole affair is one of the best I've read: If they�re supposed to be some generic everyrace, then hell, why not toss in some black actors, or Latinos? That makes about as much sense. Zuko�s a bit of a thug; let�s make him black. Hell, let�s make the whole Fire Nation black; Hollywood loves to make us the bad guys. I'm also seeing that I even I was unaware just how big and widespread the following for the series is. Katara, as played by (non-Asian) Nicola Peltz Zuko, as played by (non-Asian) Jesse McCartney Sokka, as played by (non-Asian) Jackson Rathbone Noah Turner is Ang *** http://theangryblackwoman.com/2008/12/10/m-night-say-it-isnt-so/ Nihilunder, on December 10th, 2008 at 9:31 pm Said: As a white person I feel about as condescended to as you do marginalized. Why do the goons in hollywood think white people just won�t see a movie unless the cast looks like them? I mean, look at us: we help drive the imported anime industry, listen to rap music, and eat up foreign movies on those rare occasions when they are offered. Is the message not clear? I can�t help but conclude that they think I�m stupid. �But Nihilunder, what about BET and similar programming that doesn�t get a white audience?� If the product is a quality one, we see it; most visual media geared toward non-whites is of questionable quality, and THAT�S why we don�t spend our money on it. If it�s good, we really don�t much care if the cast is all asian, or all black, etc. Honest. I love Avatar as well, and I�m sickened at how the studio is going to screw this up. Not that I should be surprised, really; just about every movie adaptation of anything ever made has been crap, so why should this be any different? Kristen, on December 10th, 2008 at 9:54 pm Said: I belong to an Avatar community on LJ. We all had mixed feelings about the live-action film, but there was a general assumtion that at least some of the cast
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Well, There's Always Reruns of the Cartoon...
Keith, I can imagine the shame all too well. I did sit through the first ten minutes of that piece of crap at a family get-together, and had to walk out on it, with the rest of the family, including my 68-year-old mother laughing their a$$es off. (Redefinition of scary moment for me.) I'm proud to say that I'm one of only seventeen people on the planet who refused to see The Ship That Hit An Iceberg And Sank first-run, or in any video format available. I finally broke down and took it in with friends on cable one night. They were all weeping (men and women). I was wondering how fast I would've been arrested for disturbing the peace had I paid to see it at a theater, demanding to get my money back. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Well, There's Always Reruns of the Cartoon... Date : Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:40:40 + From : keithbjohn...@comcast.net To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I wondered that too, but one is forced to ask how somehow like M. Knight could be bullied into taking such a cast? I know he's lost a lot of his cachet in recent years, but still, he's not some rube right off the streets trying to make his first film. This is inexcusable to me on any level. Hate to admit I did watch Titanic and enjoyed it well enough, though it's not one I'd sit through again. As for the Wayans, last film I saw in which they were involved was White Chicks, and that was only because a friend had it running at a Christmas party. It was stupid, crude, extremely explicit in its sexual jokes, and just completely not funny. Can you imagine sitting in a room full of blacks, whites, and Asians, trying to meet people and have small talk with men and women, and having that running in the background? -- Original message -- From: Martin Baxter Keith, part of me wants to come to Night's defense and say that he's had this casting shoved down his throat by the money men. But I can't see him taking that lying down, and he hasn't said a word into any of this that I've seen. Ergo, this one is now on the same list as The Movie About The Ship That Hit An Iceberg And Sank and any Wayans Bros film, never to be watched in any medium under any circumstances. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Well, There's Always Reruns of the Cartoon... Date : Sun, 18 Jan 2009 08:06:41 + From : keithbjohn...@comcast.net To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com To follow up Sincere's lead, I found a couple of really interesting posts on the casting of all Caucasian actors for the Last Airbender movie. I'm still a bit stunned at what M. Knight has done. It's just so insulting. Three decades since the silliness of Irish American David Carradine playing a half-Asian in Kung Fu, and H'Wood doesn't see the insult in taking a world full of nothing but Asian and Inuit culture, and casting all whites as the leads? Worse: I'm reading stuff to make me wonder if the entire show will be people with Caucasians. I always assumed the movie would be filmed in an Asian country, but I'm reading stuff to make me think most of the various populations will be Caucasian too. I'm one of the biggest Avatar fans around, but if this casting holds, I will not be paying to see the film. I just can't imagine sitting in a theatre watching people in modern-day blackface eating with chopsticks, writing in Chinese characters, calling each other Fong or Wu. Here are some pics of the leads --hope they come through--followed by a few comments from bloggers. Most interesting to me is how many whites are upset with the casting. Seeing a lot of Asians upset, of course, and blacks as well. Indeed, this quote from a Brother about the whole affair is one of the best I've read: If they�re supposed to be some generic everyrace, then hell, why not toss in some black actors, or Latinos? That makes about as much sense. Zuko�s a bit of a thug; let�s make him black. Hell, let�s make the whole Fire Nation black; Hollywood loves to make us the bad guys. I'm also seeing that I even I was unaware just how big and widespread the following for the series is. Katara, as played by (non-Asian) Nicola Peltz Zuko, as played by (non-Asian) Jesse McCartney Sokka, as played by (non-Asian) Jackson Rathbone Noah Turner is Ang *** http://theangryblackwoman.com/2008/12/10/m-night-say-it-isnt-so/ Nihilunder, on December 10th, 2008 at 9:31 pm Said: As a white person I feel about as condescended to as you do marginalized. Why do the goons in hollywood think white people just won�t see a movie unless the cast looks like them? I mean, look at us: we help drive the imported anime industry, listen to rap music, and eat up foreign movies on those rare occasions when they are offered
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Well, There's Always Reruns of the Cartoon...
I tried to watch The Iceberg's Revenge with my wife once but I totally lost it when all the blue frozen people show up. It was so damned funny and bizarre. I'm an insensitive so and so. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: Keith, I can imagine the shame all too well. I did sit through the first ten minutes of that piece of crap at a family get-together, and had to walk out on it, with the rest of the family, including my 68-year-old mother laughing their a$$es off. (Redefinition of scary moment for me.) I'm proud to say that I'm one of only seventeen people on the planet who refused to see The Ship That Hit An Iceberg And Sank first-run, or in any video format available. I finally broke down and took it in with friends on cable one night. They were all weeping (men and women). I was wondering how fast I would've been arrested for disturbing the peace had I paid to see it at a theater, demanding to get my money back. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Well, There's Always Reruns of the Cartoon... Date : Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:40:40 + From : keithbjohn...@... To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I wondered that too, but one is forced to ask how somehow like M. Knight could be bullied into taking such a cast? I know he's lost a lot of his cachet in recent years, but still, he's not some rube right off the streets trying to make his first film. This is inexcusable to me on any level. Hate to admit I did watch Titanic and enjoyed it well enough, though it's not one I'd sit through again. As for the Wayans, last film I saw in which they were involved was White Chicks, and that was only because a friend had it running at a Christmas party. It was stupid, crude, extremely explicit in its sexual jokes, and just completely not funny. Can you imagine sitting in a room full of blacks, whites, and Asians, trying to meet people and have small talk with men and women, and having that running in the background? -- Original message -- From: Martin Baxter Keith, part of me wants to come to Night's defense and say that he's had this casting shoved down his throat by the money men. But I can't see him taking that lying down, and he hasn't said a word into any of this that I've seen. Ergo, this one is now on the same list as The Movie About The Ship That Hit An Iceberg And Sank and any Wayans Bros film, never to be watched in any medium under any circumstances. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Well, There's Always Reruns of the Cartoon... Date : Sun, 18 Jan 2009 08:06:41 + From : keithbjohn...@... To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com To follow up Sincere's lead, I found a couple of really interesting posts on the casting of all Caucasian actors for the Last Airbender movie. I'm still a bit stunned at what M. Knight has done. It's just so insulting. Three decades since the silliness of Irish American David Carradine playing a half-Asian in Kung Fu, and H'Wood doesn't see the insult in taking a world full of nothing but Asian and Inuit culture, and casting all whites as the leads? Worse: I'm reading stuff to make me wonder if the entire show will be people with Caucasians. I always assumed the movie would be filmed in an Asian country, but I'm reading stuff to make me think most of the various populations will be Caucasian too. I'm one of the biggest Avatar fans around, but if this casting holds, I will not be paying to see the film. I just can't imagine sitting in a theatre watching people in modern-day blackface eating with chopsticks, writing in Chinese characters, calling each other Fong or Wu. Here are some pics of the leads --hope they come through--followed by a few comments from bloggers. Most interesting to me is how many whites are upset with the casting. Seeing a lot of Asians upset, of course, and blacks as well. Indeed, this quote from a Brother about the whole affair is one of the best I've read: If they�re supposed to be some generic everyrace, then hell, why not toss in some black actors, or Latinos? That makes about as much sense. Zuko�s a bit of a thug; let�s make him black. Hell, let�s make the whole Fire Nation black; Hollywood loves to make us the bad guys. I'm also seeing that I even I was unaware just how big and widespread the following for the series is. Katara, as played by (non-Asian) Nicola Peltz Zuko, as played by (non-Asian) Jesse McCartney Sokka, as played by (non-Asian) Jackson Rathbone Noah Turner is Ang *** http://theangryblackwoman.com/2008/12/10/m-night-say-it-isnt-so/ Nihilunder, on December 10th, 2008 at 9:31 pm Said: As a white person I feel about as condescended
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I freely admit to having several Mistie moments during that movie. The only reason that such a document doesn't exist for me to post is because I haven't been able to find a good script to twist. I shall seek it with more diligence. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Well, There's Always Reruns of the Cartoon... Date : Sun, 18 Jan 2009 19:53:44 - From : B. Smith daikaij...@yahoo.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I tried to watch The Iceberg's Revenge with my wife once but I totally lost it when all the blue frozen people show up. It was so damned funny and bizarre. I'm an insensitive so and so. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter wrote: Keith, I can imagine the shame all too well. I did sit through the first ten minutes of that piece of crap at a family get-together, and had to walk out on it, with the rest of the family, including my 68-year-old mother laughing their a$$es off. (Redefinition of scary moment for me.) I'm proud to say that I'm one of only seventeen people on the planet who refused to see The Ship That Hit An Iceberg And Sank first-run, or in any video format available. I finally broke down and took it in with friends on cable one night. They were all weeping (men and women). I was wondering how fast I would've been arrested for disturbing the peace had I paid to see it at a theater, demanding to get my money back. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Well, There's Always Reruns of the Cartoon... Date : Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:40:40 + From : keithbjohn...@... To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I wondered that too, but one is forced to ask how somehow like M. Knight could be bullied into taking such a cast? I know he's lost a lot of his cachet in recent years, but still, he's not some rube right off the streets trying to make his first film. This is inexcusable to me on any level. Hate to admit I did watch Titanic and enjoyed it well enough, though it's not one I'd sit through again. As for the Wayans, last film I saw in which they were involved was White Chicks, and that was only because a friend had it running at a Christmas party. It was stupid, crude, extremely explicit in its sexual jokes, and just completely not funny. Can you imagine sitting in a room full of blacks, whites, and Asians, trying to meet people and have small talk with men and women, and having that running in the background? -- Original message -- From: Martin Baxter Keith, part of me wants to come to Night's defense and say that he's had this casting shoved down his throat by the money men. But I can't see him taking that lying down, and he hasn't said a word into any of this that I've seen. Ergo, this one is now on the same list as The Movie About The Ship That Hit An Iceberg And Sank and any Wayans Bros film, never to be watched in any medium under any circumstances. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Well, There's Always Reruns of the Cartoon... Date : Sun, 18 Jan 2009 08:06:41 + From : keithbjohn...@... To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com To follow up Sincere's lead, I found a couple of really interesting posts on the casting of all Caucasian actors for the Last Airbender movie. I'm still a bit stunned at what M. Knight has done. It's just so insulting. Three decades since the silliness of Irish American David Carradine playing a half-Asian in Kung Fu, and H'Wood doesn't see the insult in taking a world full of nothing but Asian and Inuit culture, and casting all whites as the leads? Worse: I'm reading stuff to make me wonder if the entire show will be people with Caucasians. I always assumed the movie would be filmed in an Asian country, but I'm reading stuff to make me think most of the various populations will be Caucasian too. I'm one of the biggest Avatar fans around, but if this casting holds, I will not be paying to see the film. I just can't imagine sitting in a theatre watching people in modern-day blackface eating with chopsticks, writing in Chinese characters, calling each other Fong or Wu. Here are some pics of the leads --hope they come through--followed by a few comments from bloggers. Most interesting to me is how many whites are upset with the casting. Seeing a lot of Asians upset, of course, and blacks as well. Indeed, this quote from a Brother about the whole affair is one of the best I've read: If they�re supposed to be some generic everyrace, then hell, why not toss in some black actors, or Latinos? That makes about as much sense. Zuko�s a bit of a thug; let�s make him black. Hell, let�s make the whole Fire Nation black; Hollywood loves to make us the bad guys. I'm also seeing that I even I was unaware just how big and widespread
