RE: [scifinoir2] How Did The Fall Scifi TV Shows Fare?

[Bosco Bosco]

Yeah the roll out is always piecemeal apparently. They tend to concentrate on 
the areas that already have fiberoptic lines and then spread out from there. I 
don't know what kind of pipe is in your area. If you've got fiberoptic lines 
already buried, you're more likely to get service sooner. Austin is pretty much 
all fiber so it's readily available in most areas.

B

--- On Thu, 10/30/08, Martin Baxter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Martin Baxter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] How Did The Fall Scifi TV Shows Fare?
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 4:47 PM

I just received some literature this week, indicating that it might soon be
available here in Atlanta. Might be restricted to certain parts, though.




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 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

Get Uverse from ATT when it becomes available in your area. Totally worth it.

B

--- On Thu, 10/30/08, Martin Baxter  wrote:
From: Martin Baxter 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] How Did The Fall Scifi TV Shows Fare?
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 10:09 AM

I liked the one ep I've been able to see.

Martin (taking every opportunity to SPIT in Comcrap's direction)




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 Date : Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:09:55 -0700
 From : "Tracey de Morsella"

 To : 

Speaking of BBC, what do you think of Primeval?

 

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Daryle Lockhart
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 6:31 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] How Did The Fall Scifi TV Shows Fare?

 

What in the world is "The Ex List"?

 

I watched The Mentalist last night online. I like it! It's a nice fill-in
for "Monk". I decided that I like the geeky CBS shows (Numbers,
Criminal
Minds, CSI, etc), so Mentalist will remain in my Hulu (excuse me, my CBS
online) queue. But as for the rest of these new shows...I doubt that I will
watch them at all. I give shows the same chance give music today -- if you
don't get me in the first few bars, I'm out. I will watch the BBC
originals
when they air. I don't think I'm alone in discovering old shows and
watching
them in completion for the first time. I think most people hate new TV. I'm
also the crazy guy who thinks this is an opportunity for Sci-Fi.

 

Grant Morrison recently said that now is a god time for comic writers to go
nuts...and I totally agree. I think that independent online media, indie
comics, and good ol' fashioned books are about to be the new underground. I
think network TV has decided to take it entirely too safe, which is
probably why the CBS shows are working for me. If I'm gonna go with safe,
ya gotta go with the KINGS of safe. I vote no confidence in Network TV
programming.

 

 

 

On Oct 29, 2008, at 9:09 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:





 

Well, you know that I already lambasted "Knight Rider", so am
surprised it
did well enough to be picked up. ( I swear the original was better).
"Valentine" was on my hit list too, not at all surprised it's
tanking. I
haven't watched "The Mentalist" yet; guess I kept thinking of it
as a
serious version of "Psych". But i've heard good things so will
check it out
if I get time. I'm surprised "Eleventh Hour" is doing as well.
It's really
just another procedural show with a mystery to solve, and starring a quirky
lead doctor/scientist. It's like "House" on the road, or, a more
grounded
version of the out there science on "Fringe", another
solve-the-problem-of-the-week show with a quirky lead. "Eleventh
Hour" is
okay, but not a must see. I record it and watch "Life on Mars"
instead.

"Life on Mars" is at least entertaining so far. Not sure where
it'll go.
It's the kind of show that to me would realistically only stay fresh for
one, possibly two, seasons. It has good actors, a good look, and actually
decent plots. I'd give it a solid "B", not sure where in the
world they came
up with a "D" rating.

Ditto for "My Own Worst Enemy". If I can quit worrying about the
*why* of
creating this split personality (for security I guess, but it's still a
stretch), I can enjoy Slater as an actor. Still, you wonder who long the
theme of each side recording messages to update the other side can last. A
"B-" to me right now, again, due to good actors and at least
interesting
plots. But an "F"--what's the criterion this lady's using,
her own tastes,
or simply rating b

RE: [scifinoir2] How Did The Fall Scifi TV Shows Fare?

[Martin Baxter]

I just received some literature this week, indicating that it might soon be 
available here in Atlanta. Might be restricted to certain parts, though.





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 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com


Get Uverse from ATT when it becomes available in your area. Totally worth it.

B

--- On Thu, 10/30/08, Martin Baxter  wrote:
From: Martin Baxter 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] How Did The Fall Scifi TV Shows Fare?
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 10:09 AM

I liked the one ep I've been able to see.

Martin (taking every opportunity to SPIT in Comcrap's direction)




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 Subject : RE: [scifinoir2] How Did The Fall Scifi TV Shows Fare?
 Date : Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:09:55 -0700
 From : "Tracey de Morsella"

 To : 

Speaking of BBC, what do you think of Primeval?

 

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Daryle Lockhart
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 6:31 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] How Did The Fall Scifi TV Shows Fare?

 

What in the world is "The Ex List"?

 

I watched The Mentalist last night online. I like it! It's a nice fill-in
for "Monk". I decided that I like the geeky CBS shows (Numbers,
Criminal
Minds, CSI, etc), so Mentalist will remain in my Hulu (excuse me, my CBS
online) queue. But as for the rest of these new shows...I doubt that I will
watch them at all. I give shows the same chance give music today -- if you
don't get me in the first few bars, I'm out. I will watch the BBC
originals
when they air. I don't think I'm alone in discovering old shows and
watching
them in completion for the first time. I think most people hate new TV. I'm
also the crazy guy who thinks this is an opportunity for Sci-Fi.

 

Grant Morrison recently said that now is a god time for comic writers to go
nuts...and I totally agree. I think that independent online media, indie
comics, and good ol' fashioned books are about to be the new underground. I
think network TV has decided to take it entirely too safe, which is
probably why the CBS shows are working for me. If I'm gonna go with safe,
ya gotta go with the KINGS of safe. I vote no confidence in Network TV
programming.

 

 

 

On Oct 29, 2008, at 9:09 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:





 

Well, you know that I already lambasted "Knight Rider", so am
surprised it
did well enough to be picked up. ( I swear the original was better).
"Valentine" was on my hit list too, not at all surprised it's
tanking. I
haven't watched "The Mentalist" yet; guess I kept thinking of it
as a
serious version of "Psych". But i've heard good things so will
check it out
if I get time. I'm surprised "Eleventh Hour" is doing as well.
It's really
just another procedural show with a mystery to solve, and starring a quirky
lead doctor/scientist. It's like "House" on the road, or, a more
grounded
version of the out there science on "Fringe", another
solve-the-problem-of-the-week show with a quirky lead. "Eleventh
Hour" is
okay, but not a must see. I record it and watch "Life on Mars"
instead.

"Life on Mars" is at least entertaining so far. Not sure where
it'll go.
It's the kind of show that to me would realistically only stay fresh for
one, possibly two, seasons. It has good actors, a good look, and actually
decent plots. I'd give it a solid "B", not sure where in the
world they came
up with a "D" rating.

Ditto for "My Own Worst Enemy". If I can quit worrying about the
*why* of
creating this split personality (for security I guess, but it's still a
stretch), I can enjoy Slater as an actor. Still, you wonder who long the
theme of each side recording messages to update the other side can last. A
"B-" to me right now, again, due to good actors and at least
interesting
plots. But an "F"--what's the criterion this lady's using,
her own tastes,
or simply rating based on viewership?

 

-- Original message -- 
From: "Tracey de Morsella" 

 

How Did The Fall TV Shows Fare?

As the fall TV season hits its stride, the winners and losers have emerged,
and it's a bloodbath out there. Ratings in general are horrible, and the
major networks are still reeling from last year's writers' strike and a
splintered viewership. 

Three series have already been pulled from the airwaves, including CBS' The
Ex List. 

Herewith, the first of two SCI FI Wire assessments of how new and returning
SF&F shows made the grade, in descending order. Today, we l

Re: [scifinoir2] How Did The Fall Scifi TV Shows Fare?

[Daryle Lockhart]

I do not like Primeval. I tried to watch an episode once and turned  
it off.

I'm not a dinosaurs kinda guy. I didn't like Jurassic Park, really.  
They don't scare me, I  just  don't...care, I guess. It is a safe bet  
that if a show is based on dinosaurs in the streets, and said  
creature is not a lizard bombarded by atomic radiation in Tokyo, I  
will probably not watch the show.

Also, I am not a vampire or zombie person. I'm not sure why these are  
so popular in the genre, but I generally don't like stories based  
around these ideas.

On Oct 30, 2008, at 11:09 AM, Martin Baxter wrote:

> I liked the one ep I've been able to see.
>
> Martin (taking every opportunity to SPIT in Comcrap's direction)
>
>
>
>
>
> -[ Received Mail Content ]------
>
>  Subject : RE: [scifinoir2] How Did The Fall Scifi TV Shows Fare?
>
>  Date : Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:09:55 -0700
>
>  From : "Tracey de Morsella" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>  To : 
>
>
> Speaking of BBC, what do you think of Primeval?
>
>
>
>
>
> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com  
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Daryle Lockhart
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 6:31 AM
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] How Did The Fall Scifi TV Shows Fare?
>
>
>
> What in the world is "The Ex List"?
>
>
>
> I watched The Mentalist last night online. I like it! It's a nice  
> fill-in
> for "Monk". I decided that I like the geeky CBS shows (Numbers,  
> Criminal
> Minds, CSI, etc), so Mentalist will remain in my Hulu (excuse me,  
> my CBS
> online) queue. But as for the rest of these new shows...I doubt  
> that I will
> watch them at all. I give shows the same chance give music today --  
> if you
> don't get me in the first few bars, I'm out. I will watch the BBC  
> originals
> when they air. I don't think I'm alone in discovering old shows and  
> watching
> them in completion for the first time. I think most people hate new  
> TV. I'm
> also the crazy guy who thinks this is an opportunity for Sci-Fi.
>
>
>
> Grant Morrison recently said that now is a god time for comic  
> writers to go
> nuts...and I totally agree. I think that independent online media,  
> indie
> comics, and good ol' fashioned books are about to be the new  
> underground. I
> think network TV has decided to take it entirely too safe, which is
> probably why the CBS shows are working for me. If I'm gonna go with  
> safe,
> ya gotta go with the KINGS of safe. I vote no confidence in Network TV
> programming.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 29, 2008, at 9:09 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Well, you know that I already lambasted "Knight Rider", so am  
> surprised it
> did well enough to be picked up. ( I swear the original was better).
> "Valentine" was on my hit list too, not at all surprised it's  
> tanking. I
> haven't watched "The Mentalist" yet; guess I kept thinking of it as a
> serious version of "Psych". But i've heard good things so will  
> check it out
> if I get time. I'm surprised "Eleventh Hour" is doing as well. It's  
> really
> just another procedural show with a mystery to solve, and starring  
> a quirky
> lead doctor/scientist. It's like "House" on the road, or, a more  
> grounded
> version of the out there science on "Fringe", another
> solve-the-problem-of-the-week show with a quirky lead. "Eleventh  
> Hour" is
> okay, but not a must see. I record it and watch "Life on Mars"  
> instead.
>
> "Life on Mars" is at least entertaining so far. Not sure where  
> it'll go.
> It's the kind of show that to me would realistically only stay  
> fresh for
> one, possibly two, seasons. It has good actors, a good look, and  
> actually
> decent plots. I'd give it a solid "B", not sure where in the world  
> they came
> up with a "D" rating.
>
> Ditto for "My Own Worst Enemy". If I can quit worrying about the  
> *why* of
> creating this split personality (for security I guess, but it's  
> still a
> stretch), I can enjoy Slater as an actor. Still, you wonder who  
> long the
> theme of each side recording messages to update the other side can  
> last. A
> "B-" to me right now, again, due to good actors and at least  
> interesting
> plots. But an "F"--what's the criterion this lady's using, her own  
> tastes,
> or simply rating based on vi

RE: [scifinoir2] How Did The Fall Scifi TV Shows Fare?

[Bosco Bosco]

Get Uverse from ATT when it becomes available in your area. Totally worth it.

B

--- On Thu, 10/30/08, Martin Baxter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Martin Baxter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] How Did The Fall Scifi TV Shows Fare?
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 10:09 AM

I liked the one ep I've been able to see.

Martin (taking every opportunity to SPIT in Comcrap's direction)




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 Subject : RE: [scifinoir2] How Did The Fall Scifi TV Shows Fare?
 Date : Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:09:55 -0700
 From : "Tracey de Morsella"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 To : 

Speaking of BBC, what do you think of Primeval?

 

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Daryle Lockhart
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 6:31 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] How Did The Fall Scifi TV Shows Fare?

 

What in the world is "The Ex List"?

 

I watched The Mentalist last night online. I like it! It's a nice fill-in
for "Monk". I decided that I like the geeky CBS shows (Numbers,
Criminal
Minds, CSI, etc), so Mentalist will remain in my Hulu (excuse me, my CBS
online) queue. But as for the rest of these new shows...I doubt that I will
watch them at all. I give shows the same chance give music today -- if you
don't get me in the first few bars, I'm out. I will watch the BBC
originals
when they air. I don't think I'm alone in discovering old shows and
watching
them in completion for the first time. I think most people hate new TV. I'm
also the crazy guy who thinks this is an opportunity for Sci-Fi.

 

Grant Morrison recently said that now is a god time for comic writers to go
nuts...and I totally agree. I think that independent online media, indie
comics, and good ol' fashioned books are about to be the new underground. I
think network TV has decided to take it entirely too safe, which is
probably why the CBS shows are working for me. If I'm gonna go with safe,
ya gotta go with the KINGS of safe. I vote no confidence in Network TV
programming.

 

 

 

On Oct 29, 2008, at 9:09 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:





 

Well, you know that I already lambasted "Knight Rider", so am
surprised it
did well enough to be picked up. ( I swear the original was better).
"Valentine" was on my hit list too, not at all surprised it's
tanking. I
haven't watched "The Mentalist" yet; guess I kept thinking of it
as a
serious version of "Psych". But i've heard good things so will
check it out
if I get time. I'm surprised "Eleventh Hour" is doing as well.
It's really
just another procedural show with a mystery to solve, and starring a quirky
lead doctor/scientist. It's like "House" on the road, or, a more
grounded
version of the out there science on "Fringe", another
solve-the-problem-of-the-week show with a quirky lead. "Eleventh
Hour" is
okay, but not a must see. I record it and watch "Life on Mars"
instead.

"Life on Mars" is at least entertaining so far. Not sure where
it'll go.
It's the kind of show that to me would realistically only stay fresh for
one, possibly two, seasons. It has good actors, a good look, and actually
decent plots. I'd give it a solid "B", not sure where in the
world they came
up with a "D" rating.

Ditto for "My Own Worst Enemy". If I can quit worrying about the
*why* of
creating this split personality (for security I guess, but it's still a
stretch), I can enjoy Slater as an actor. Still, you wonder who long the
theme of each side recording messages to update the other side can last. A
"B-" to me right now, again, due to good actors and at least
interesting
plots. But an "F"--what's the criterion this lady's using,
her own tastes,
or simply rating based on viewership?

 

-- Original message -- 
From: "Tracey de Morsella"  

 

How Did The Fall TV Shows Fare?

As the fall TV season hits its stride, the winners and losers have emerged,
and it's a bloodbath out there. Ratings in general are horrible, and the
major networks are still reeling from last year's writers' strike and a
splintered viewership. 

Three series have already been pulled from the airwaves, including CBS' The
Ex List. 

Herewith, the first of two SCI FI Wire assessments of how new and returning
SF&F shows made the grade, in descending order. Today, we look at the
new
shows. Tomorrow, returning series. 

(In the past if a TV series was on one of the four big broadcast networks,
it needed to bring in 10 million viewers or so to prove it was worthy. For
The CW, the number was lower, and 3 million viewers did the trick. Oh, how
things have changed!) 

The Mentalist (C

RE: [scifinoir2] How Did The Fall Scifi TV Shows Fare?

[Martin Baxter]

I liked the one ep I've been able to see.

Martin (taking every opportunity to SPIT in Comcrap's direction)





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 Date : Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:09:55 -0700

 From : "Tracey de Morsella" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

 To : 


Speaking of BBC, what do you think of Primeval?

 

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Daryle Lockhart
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 6:31 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] How Did The Fall Scifi TV Shows Fare?

 

What in the world is "The Ex List"?

 

I watched The Mentalist last night online. I like it! It's a nice fill-in
for "Monk". I decided that I like the geeky CBS shows (Numbers, Criminal
Minds, CSI, etc), so Mentalist will remain in my Hulu (excuse me, my CBS
online) queue. But as for the rest of these new shows...I doubt that I will
watch them at all. I give shows the same chance give music today -- if you
don't get me in the first few bars, I'm out. I will watch the BBC originals
when they air. I don't think I'm alone in discovering old shows and watching
them in completion for the first time. I think most people hate new TV. I'm
also the crazy guy who thinks this is an opportunity for Sci-Fi.

 

Grant Morrison recently said that now is a god time for comic writers to go
nuts...and I totally agree. I think that independent online media, indie
comics, and good ol' fashioned books are about to be the new underground. I
think network TV has decided to take it entirely too safe, which is
probably why the CBS shows are working for me. If I'm gonna go with safe,
ya gotta go with the KINGS of safe. I vote no confidence in Network TV
programming.

 

 

 

On Oct 29, 2008, at 9:09 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:





 

Well, you know that I already lambasted "Knight Rider", so am surprised it
did well enough to be picked up. ( I swear the original was better).
"Valentine" was on my hit list too, not at all surprised it's tanking. I
haven't watched "The Mentalist" yet; guess I kept thinking of it as a
serious version of "Psych". But i've heard good things so will check it out
if I get time. I'm surprised "Eleventh Hour" is doing as well. It's really
just another procedural show with a mystery to solve, and starring a quirky
lead doctor/scientist. It's like "House" on the road, or, a more grounded
version of the out there science on "Fringe", another
solve-the-problem-of-the-week show with a quirky lead. "Eleventh Hour" is
okay, but not a must see. I record it and watch "Life on Mars" instead.

"Life on Mars" is at least entertaining so far. Not sure where it'll go.
It's the kind of show that to me would realistically only stay fresh for
one, possibly two, seasons. It has good actors, a good look, and actually
decent plots. I'd give it a solid "B", not sure where in the world they came
up with a "D" rating.

Ditto for "My Own Worst Enemy". If I can quit worrying about the *why* of
creating this split personality (for security I guess, but it's still a
stretch), I can enjoy Slater as an actor. Still, you wonder who long the
theme of each side recording messages to update the other side can last. A
"B-" to me right now, again, due to good actors and at least interesting
plots. But an "F"--what's the criterion this lady's using, her own tastes,
or simply rating based on viewership?

 

-- Original message -- 
From: "Tracey de Morsella"  

 

How Did The Fall TV Shows Fare?

As the fall TV season hits its stride, the winners and losers have emerged,
and it's a bloodbath out there. Ratings in general are horrible, and the
major networks are still reeling from last year's writers' strike and a
splintered viewership. 

Three series have already been pulled from the airwaves, including CBS' The
Ex List. 

Herewith, the first of two SCI FI Wire assessments of how new and returning
SF&F shows made the grade, in descending order. Today, we look at the new
shows. Tomorrow, returning series. 

(In the past if a TV series was on one of the four big broadcast networks,
it needed to bring in 10 million viewers or so to prove it was worthy. For
The CW, the number was lower, and 3 million viewers did the trick. Oh, how
things have changed!) 

The Mentalist (CBS) Premiered with 15.55 million viewers. Last week, 15.29
million viewers /I>. OK, he's a fake psychic, and it's not really science
fiction, but we'll claim any show that does this well. It's the only
certified hit for the new season, drawing great numbers against Fox's
Fringe. Beyond that, it manages

RE: [scifinoir2] How Did The Fall Scifi TV Shows Fare?

[Tracey de Morsella]

Speaking of BBC, what do you think of Primeval?

 

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Daryle Lockhart
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 6:31 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] How Did The Fall Scifi TV Shows Fare?

 

What in the world is "The Ex List"?

 

I watched The Mentalist last night  online. I like it! It's a nice fill-in
for "Monk". I decided that I like the geeky CBS shows (Numbers, Criminal
Minds, CSI, etc), so Mentalist will remain in my Hulu (excuse me, my CBS
online) queue. But as for the rest of these new shows...I doubt that I will
watch them at all. I give shows the same chance give music today --  if you
don't get me in the first few bars, I'm out. I will watch the BBC originals
when they air. I don't think I'm alone in discovering old shows and watching
them in completion for the first  time. I think most people hate new TV. I'm
also the crazy guy who thinks this is an opportunity for Sci-Fi.

 

Grant Morrison recently said that  now is a god time for comic writers to go
nuts...and I totally agree. I think that independent online media, indie
comics, and good ol' fashioned books are about to be the new underground. I
think network TV has decided to take it entirely too safe, which  is
probably  why the CBS shows are working for me. If I'm gonna go with safe,
ya gotta go with the KINGS of safe. I vote no confidence in Network TV
programming.

 

 

 

On Oct 29, 2008, at 9:09 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:





 

Well, you know that I already lambasted "Knight Rider", so am surprised it
did well enough to be picked up. ( I swear the original was better).
"Valentine" was on my hit list too, not at all surprised it's tanking. I
haven't watched "The Mentalist" yet; guess I kept thinking of it as a
serious version of "Psych". But i've heard good things so will check it out
if I get time. I'm surprised "Eleventh Hour" is doing as well. It's really
just another procedural show with a mystery to solve, and starring a quirky
lead doctor/scientist. It's like "House" on the road, or, a more grounded
version of the out there science on "Fringe", another
solve-the-problem-of-the-week show with a quirky lead. "Eleventh Hour" is
okay, but not a must see. I record it and watch "Life on Mars" instead.

"Life on Mars" is at least entertaining so far. Not sure where it'll go.
It's the kind of show that to me would realistically only stay fresh for
one, possibly two, seasons. It has good actors, a good look, and actually
decent plots. I'd give it a solid "B", not sure where in the world they came
up with a "D" rating.

Ditto for "My Own Worst Enemy". If I can quit worrying about the *why* of
creating this split personality (for security I guess, but it's still a
stretch), I can enjoy Slater as an actor. Still, you wonder who long the
theme of each side recording messages to update the other side can last. A
"B-" to me right now, again, due to good actors and at least interesting
plots. But an "F"--what's the criterion this lady's using, her own tastes,
or simply rating based on viewership?

 

-- Original message -- 
From: "Tracey de Morsella" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

 

How Did The Fall TV Shows Fare?

As the fall TV season hits its stride, the winners and losers have emerged,
and it's a bloodbath out there. Ratings in general are horrible, and the
major networks are still reeling from last year's writers' strike and a
splintered viewership. 

Three series have already been pulled from the airwaves, including CBS' The
Ex List. 

Herewith, the first of two SCI FI Wire assessments of how new and returning
SF&F shows made the grade, in descending order. Today, we look at the new
shows. Tomorrow, returning series. 

(In the past if a TV series was on one of the four big broadcast networks,
it needed to bring in 10 million viewers or so to prove it was worthy. For
The CW, the number was lower, and 3 million viewers did the trick. Oh, how
things have changed!) 

The Mentalist (CBS) Premiered with 15.55 million viewers. Last week, 15.29
million viewers /I>. OK, he's a fake psychic, and it's not really science
fiction, but we'll claim any show that does this well. It's the only
certified hit for the new season, drawing great numbers against Fox's
Fringe. Beyond that, it manages to keep 90 percent of its viewers from
lead-in NCIS. That sounds like a match made in TV heaven. Grade: A+ 

 <http://www.scifi.com/sanctuary/> Sanctuary (SCI FI) Premiered with 3
million viewers. Television's first mostly virtual series kicked off great,
and it looks like a worthy successor to exiting SCI FI F

RE: [RE][scifinoir2] How Did The Fall Scifi TV Shows Fare?

[Tracey de Morsella]

I think they are not rating by quality, but by ratings and which shows retain 
their lead in audience, which points to survivability.  That being said, not of 
the shows is good like Battlestar, Odyssey five or  Babylon 5

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin 
Baxter
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 5:25 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] How Did The Fall Scifi TV Shows Fare?

 


Okay...

After readign tha, one of two things apply.

Either I'm brain-dead as a viewer, or these guys know *nothing* about TV, 
because the *only* show of those listed I'm watching is My Own Worst Enemy 
(which has begun growing on me slowly). The rest of that crap, I make it a 
point to have my TV *elsewhere* when they're on.





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Subject : [scifinoir2] How Did The Fall Scifi TV Shows Fare?
Date : Tue, 28 Oct 2008 21:45:49 -0700
>From : "Tracey de Morsella" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To : , "'Cinque'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "'Glenn 
Sigler'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

How Did The Fall TV Shows Fare? 

As the fall TV season hits its stride, the winners and losers have emerged, 
and it's a bloodbath out there. Ratings in general are horrible, and the 
major networks are still reeling from last year's writers' strike and a 
splintered viewership. 

Three series have already been pulled from the airwaves, including CBS' The 
Ex List. 

Herewith, the first of two SCI FI Wire assessments of how new and returning 
SF&F shows made the grade, in descending order. Today, we look at the new 
shows. Tomorrow, returning series. 

(In the past if a TV series was on one of the four big broadcast networks, 
it needed to bring in 10 million viewers or so to prove it was worthy. For 
The CW, the number was lower, and 3 million viewers did the trick. Oh, how 
things have changed!) 

The Mentalist (CBS) Premiered with 15.55 million viewers. Last week, 15.29 
million viewers. OK, he's a fake psychic, and it's not really science 
fiction, but we'll claim any show that does this well. It's the only 
certified hit for the new season, drawing great numbers against Fox's 
Fringe. Beyond that, it manages to keep 90 percent of its viewers from 
lead-in NCIS. That sounds like a match made in TV heaven. Grade: A+ 

Sanctuary (SCI FI) Premiered with 3 
million viewers. Television's first mostly virtual series kicked off great, 
and it looks like a worthy successor to exiting SCI FI Friday shows 
Stargate Atlantis and 
Battlestar Galactica. Grade: A 

Eleventh Hour (CBS) Premiered with 11.59 million viewers. Last week, 12.16 
million viewers. Not a hit, this show can't keep up with its lead-in 
C.S.I.'s big numbers. But it has built its audience and consistently does 
well against NBC's ER and ABC's Life on Mars. Whether or not the series will 
stay on Thursdays or be swapped with Tuesday's Without A Trace remains to be 
seen, but in this ratings environment those numbers look good. Grade: B+ 

Fringe (Fox) Premiered with 9 million viewers. Last week, 9.11 million 
viewers. This show had the most hype heading into the fall season, so the 
ratings have been a bit of a disappointment. Still, considering the 
implosion of Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles and some of Fox's other 
shows, 9 million+ viewers seems pretty good. Grade: B 

Knight Rider (NBC) Premiered with 7.3 million viewers. Last week, 7.23 
million viewers. This lightweight show with apparent lightweight ratings 
wouldn't seem to be a keeper for NBC. But Knight Rider appeals strongly to 
the young male viewer, and that was good enough for a full-season pickup. 
Grade: C (NBC is owned by NBC Universal, which also owns SCIFI.COM.) 

Life on Mars (ABC) Premiered with 11.6 million viewers. Last week, 8.06 
million viewers. This British transplant got a strong sampling when it 
premiered and managed to beat out CBS' Eleventh Hour in a head-to-head 
ratings smackdown. Since then, it's been losing viewers each week, which is 
always a bad sign. Between Eli Stone on Tuesdays, Dirty Sexy Money on 
Wednesdays and Life on Mars on Thursdays, ABC is having a tough time in the 
10 p.m. hour. Grade: D 

My Own Worst Enemy (NBC) Premiered with 7.27 million viewers. Last week, 
5.72 million viewers. Another troubled show, My Own Worst Enemy didn't 
appeal to viewers from the beginning, despite heavy promotion. Part of the 
problem has to do with lead-in Heroes' anemic numbers this season, but Enemy 
loses viewers by the half-hour mark, and that's a bad, bad sign. It's 
possible NBC will try Enemy in another slot and bring its reliable Medium, 
which is waiting in the wings, back where it belongs on Mondays. Grade: D- 
Valentine (The CW) Premiered with 1.1 million viewers. Last week, 846,000 
viewers.

Re: [scifinoir2] How Did The Fall Scifi TV Shows Fare?

[Martin Baxter]

Daryle, it's wanna-be neo-fantasy tripe, about a woman who goes to a psychic to 
see if she'll even meet Mr Right. Said psychic tells her that she's already met 
and dumped him, and she goes back through her past love life to find him. CBS, 
Fridays at nine, if self-abuse is an in-thing for you.





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 Date : Wed, 29 Oct 2008 09:31:00 -0400

 From : Daryle Lockhart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com


What in the world is "The Ex List"?

I watched The Mentalist last night online. I like it! It's a nice 
fill-in for "Monk". I decided that I like the geeky CBS shows 
(Numbers, Criminal Minds, CSI, etc), so Mentalist will remain in my 
Hulu (excuse me, my CBS online) queue. But as for the rest of these 
new shows...I doubt that I will watch them at all. I give shows the 
same chance give music today -- if you don't get me in the first 
few bars, I'm out. I will watch the BBC originals when they air. I 
don't think I'm alone in discovering old shows and watching them in 
completion for the first time. I think most people hate new TV. I'm 
also the crazy guy who thinks this is an opportunity for Sci-Fi.

Grant Morrison recently said that now is a god time for comic 
writers to go nuts...and I totally agree. I think that independent 
online media, indie comics, and good ol' fashioned books are about to 
be the new underground. I think network TV has decided to take it 
entirely too safe, which is probably why the CBS shows are working 
for me. If I'm gonna go with safe, ya gotta go with the KINGS of 
safe. I vote no confidence in Network TV programming.



On Oct 29, 2008, at 9:09 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>
> Well, you know that I already lambasted "Knight Rider", so am 
> surprised it did well enough to be picked up. ( I swear the 
> original was better). "Valentine" was on my hit list too, not at 
> all surprised it's tanking. I haven't watched "The Mentalist" yet; 
> guess I kept thinking of it as a serious version of "Psych". But 
> i've heard good things so will check it out if I get time. I'm 
> surprised "Eleventh Hour" is doing as well. It's really just 
> another procedural show with a mystery to solve, and starring a 
> quirky lead doctor/scientist. It's like "House" on the road, or, a 
> more grounded version of the out there science on "Fringe", another 
> solve-the-problem-of-the-week show with a quirky lead. "Eleventh 
> Hour" is okay, but not a must see. I record it and watch "Life on 
> Mars" instead.
> "Life on Mars" is at least entertaining so far. Not sure where 
> it'll go. It's the kind of show that to me would realistically only 
> stay fresh for one, possibly two, seasons. It has good actors, a 
> good look, and actually decent plots. I'd give it a solid "B", not 
> sure where in the world they came up with a "D" rating.
> Ditto for "My Own Worst Enemy". If I can quit worrying about the 
> *why* of creating this split personality (for security I guess, but 
> it's still a stretch), I can enjoy Slater as an actor. Still, you 
> wonder who long the theme of each side recording messages to update 
> the other side can last. A "B-" to me right now, again, due to good 
> actors and at least interesting plots. But an "F"--what's the 
> criterion this lady's using, her own tastes, or simply rating based 
> on viewership?
>
> -- Original message --
> From: "Tracey de Morsella" 
>
> How Did The Fall TV Shows Fare?
>
> As the fall TV season hits its stride, the winners and losers have 
> emerged, and it's a bloodbath out there. Ratings in general are 
> horrible, and the major networks are still reeling from last year's 
> writers' strike and a splintered viewership.
>
> Three series have already been pulled from the airwaves, including 
> CBS' The Ex List.
>
> Herewith, the first of two SCI FI Wire assessments of how new and 
> returning SF&F shows made the grade, in descending order. Today, we 
> look at the new shows. Tomorrow, returning series.
>
> (In the past if a TV series was on one of the four big broadcast 
> networks, it needed to bring in 10 million viewers or so to prove 
> it was worthy. For The CW, the number was lower, and 3 million 
> viewers did the trick. Oh, how things have changed!)
>
> The Mentalist (CBS) Premiered with 15.55 million viewers. Last 
> week, 15.29 million viewers /I>. OK, he's a fake psychic, and it's 
> not really

Re: [scifinoir2] How Did The Fall Scifi TV Shows Fare?

[KeithBJohnson]

Well, you know that I already lambasted "Knight Rider", so am surprised it did 
well enough to be picked up. ( I swear the original was better).  "Valentine" 
was on my hit list too, not at all surprised it's tanking. I haven't watched 
"The Mentalist" yet; guess I kept thinking of it as a serious version of 
"Psych". But i've heard good things so will check it out if I get time. I'm 
surprised "Eleventh Hour" is doing as well. It's really just another procedural 
show with a mystery to solve, and starring a quirky lead doctor/scientist. It's 
like "House" on the road, or, a more grounded version of the out there science 
on "Fringe", another solve-the-problem-of-the-week show with a quirky lead. 
"Eleventh Hour" is okay, but not a must see. I record it and watch "Life on 
Mars" instead.
"Life on Mars" is at least entertaining so far. Not sure where it'll go. It's 
the kind of show that to me would realistically only stay fresh for one, 
possibly two, seasons. It has good actors, a good look, and actually decent 
plots. I'd give it a solid "B", not sure where in the world they came up with a 
"D" rating.
Ditto for "My Own Worst Enemy". If I can quit worrying about the *why* of 
creating this split personality (for security I guess, but it's still a 
stretch), I can enjoy Slater as an actor. Still, you wonder who long the theme 
of each side recording messages to update the other side can last. A "B-" to me 
right now, again, due to good actors and at least interesting plots. But an 
"F"--what's the criterion this lady's using, her own tastes, or simply rating 
based on viewership?

-- Original message -- 
From: "Tracey de Morsella" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
How Did The Fall TV Shows Fare?

As the fall TV season hits its stride, the winners and losers have emerged, and 
it's a bloodbath out there. Ratings in general are horrible, and the major 
networks are still reeling from last year's writers' strike and a splintered 
viewership. 

Three series have already been pulled from the airwaves, including CBS' The Ex 
List. 

Herewith, the first of two SCI FI Wire assessments of how new and returning 
SF&F shows made the grade, in descending order. Today, we look at the new 
shows. Tomorrow, returning series. 

(In the past if a TV series was on one of the four big broadcast networks, it 
needed to bring in 10 million viewers or so to prove it was worthy. For The CW, 
the number was lower, and 3 million viewers did the trick. Oh, how things have 
changed!) 

The Mentalist (CBS) Premiered with 15.55 million viewers. Last week, 15.29 
million viewers. OK, he's a fake psychic, and it's not really science fiction, 
but we'll claim any show that does this well. It's the only certified hit for 
the new season, drawing great numbers against Fox's Fringe. Beyond that, it 
manages to keep 90 percent of its viewers from lead-in NCIS. That sounds like a 
match made in TV heaven. Grade: A+ 

Sanctuary (SCI FI) Premiered with 3 million viewers. Television's first mostly 
virtual series kicked off great, and it looks like a worthy successor to 
exiting SCI FI Friday shows Stargate Atlantis and Battlestar Galactica. Grade: 
A 

Eleventh Hour (CBS) Premiered with 11.59 million viewers. Last week, 12.16 
million viewers. Not a hit, this show can't keep up with its lead-in C.S.I.'s 
big numbers. But it has built its audience and consistently does well against 
NBC's ER and ABC's Life on Mars. Whether or not the series will stay on 
Thursdays or be swapped with Tuesday's Without A Trace remains to be seen, but 
in this ratings environment those numbers look good. Grade: B+ 

Fringe (Fox) Premiered with 9 million viewers. Last week, 9.11 million viewers. 
This show had the most hype heading into the fall season, so the ratings have 
been a bit of a disappointment. Still, considering the implosion of Terminator: 
The Sarah Connor Chronicles and some of Fox's other shows, 9 million+ viewers 
seems pretty good. Grade: B 

Knight Rider (NBC) Premiered with 7.3 million viewers. Last week, 7.23 million 
viewers. This lightweight show with apparent lightweight ratings wouldn't seem 
to be a keeper for NBC. But Knight Rider appeals strongly to the young male 
viewer, and that was good enough for a full-season pickup. Grade: C (NBC is 
owned by NBC Universal, which also owns SCIFI.COM.) 

Life on Mars (ABC) Premiered with 11.6 million viewers. Last week, 8.06 million 
viewers. This British transplant got a strong sampling when it premiered and 
managed to beat out CBS' Eleventh Hour in a head-to-head ratings smackdown. 
Since then, it's been losing viewers each week, which is always a bad sign. 
Between Eli Stone on Tuesdays, Dirty Sexy Money on Wednesdays and Life on Mars 
on Thursdays, ABC is having a tough time in the 10 p.m. hour. Grade: D 

My Own Worst Enemy (NBC) Premiered with 7.27 million viewers. Last week, 5.72 
million viewers. Another troubled show, My Own Worst Enemy didn't appeal to 
viewers from the beginn

[RE][scifinoir2] How Did The Fall Scifi TV Shows Fare?

[Martin Baxter]

Okay...

After readign tha, one of two things apply.

Either I'm brain-dead as a viewer, or these guys know *nothing* about TV, 
because the *only* show of those listed I'm watching is My Own Worst Enemy 
(which has begun growing on me slowly). The rest of that crap, I make it a 
point to have my TV *elsewhere* when they're on.





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 Subject : [scifinoir2] How Did The Fall Scifi TV Shows Fare?

 Date : Tue, 28 Oct 2008 21:45:49 -0700

 From : "Tracey de Morsella" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

 To : , "'Cinque'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "'Glenn 
Sigler'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


How Did The Fall TV Shows Fare?

As the fall TV season hits its stride, the winners and losers have emerged,
and it's a bloodbath out there. Ratings in general are horrible, and the
major networks are still reeling from last year's writers' strike and a
splintered viewership. 

Three series have already been pulled from the airwaves, including CBS' The
Ex List. 

Herewith, the first of two SCI FI Wire assessments of how new and returning
SF&F shows made the grade, in descending order. Today, we look at the new
shows. Tomorrow, returning series. 

(In the past if a TV series was on one of the four big broadcast networks,
it needed to bring in 10 million viewers or so to prove it was worthy. For
The CW, the number was lower, and 3 million viewers did the trick. Oh, how
things have changed!) 

The Mentalist (CBS) Premiered with 15.55 million viewers. Last week, 15.29
million viewers. OK, he's a fake psychic, and it's not really science
fiction, but we'll claim any show that does this well. It's the only
certified hit for the new season, drawing great numbers against Fox's
Fringe. Beyond that, it manages to keep 90 percent of its viewers from
lead-in NCIS. That sounds like a match made in TV heaven. Grade: A+ 

  Sanctuary (SCI FI) Premiered with 3
million viewers. Television's first mostly virtual series kicked off great,
and it looks like a worthy successor to exiting SCI FI Friday shows
 Stargate Atlantis and
 Battlestar Galactica. Grade: A 

Eleventh Hour (CBS) Premiered with 11.59 million viewers. Last week, 12.16
million viewers. Not a hit, this show can't keep up with its lead-in
C.S.I.'s big numbers. But it has built its audience and consistently does
well against NBC's ER and ABC's Life on Mars. Whether or not the series will
stay on Thursdays or be swapped with Tuesday's Without A Trace remains to be
seen, but in this ratings environment those numbers look good. Grade: B+ 

Fringe (Fox) Premiered with 9 million viewers. Last week, 9.11 million
viewers. This show had the most hype heading into the fall season, so the
ratings have been a bit of a disappointment. Still, considering the
implosion of Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles and some of Fox's other
shows, 9 million+ viewers seems pretty good. Grade: B 

Knight Rider (NBC) Premiered with 7.3 million viewers. Last week, 7.23
million viewers. This lightweight show with apparent lightweight ratings
wouldn't seem to be a keeper for NBC. But Knight Rider appeals strongly to
the young male viewer, and that was good enough for a full-season pickup.
Grade: C (NBC is owned by NBC Universal, which also owns SCIFI.COM.) 

Life on Mars (ABC) Premiered with 11.6 million viewers. Last week, 8.06
million viewers. This British transplant got a strong sampling when it
premiered and managed to beat out CBS' Eleventh Hour in a head-to-head
ratings smackdown. Since then, it's been losing viewers each week, which is
always a bad sign. Between Eli Stone on Tuesdays, Dirty Sexy Money on
Wednesdays and Life on Mars on Thursdays, ABC is having a tough time in the
10 p.m. hour. Grade: D 

My Own Worst Enemy (NBC) Premiered with 7.27 million viewers. Last week,
5.72 million viewers. Another troubled show, My Own Worst Enemy didn't
appeal to viewers from the beginning, despite heavy promotion. Part of the
problem has to do with lead-in Heroes' anemic numbers this season, but Enemy
loses viewers by the half-hour mark, and that's a bad, bad sign. It's
possible NBC will try Enemy in another slot and bring its reliable Medium,
which is waiting in the wings, back where it belongs on Mondays. Grade: D-
Valentine (The CW) Premiered with 1.1 million viewers. Last week, 846,000
viewers. The CW took a risk by turning over its Sunday nights to Media
Rights Capital, which produced three new series. Unfortunately, the
experiment failed, and the shows tanked across the board. Production was
"temporarily" halted on Valentine after finishing eight episodes. Media
Rights Capital promises to continue production and finish its 13-episode
order, but considering it can't even crack a million viewers, the Greek Gods
themselves would be challenged to save this one. G

Re: [scifinoir2] How Did The Fall Scifi TV Shows Fare?

[Mike Street]

TV is going to continue to stuffer. Yes the writers strike hurt TV big time
but TV hurt itself LONG time ago. Reality TV started the trend now shows
with real story lines that suck up big budgets are going to stuffer. Then
9-% of the stuff on TV either sucks big time or is a rehash of something
I've seen before. until there is more diversity in TV..the whole industry is
going to suffer. They have pretty must lost the male audience to video games
and the internet.
HEROES is a big disappointment to me this season. I can barely watch it. The
only shows on TV that holds my interest is Frienge and House..everything
else is pure crap. Kath and Kim looked promising but the comedy just isnt
there like it should be but I love Molly Shannon and want to see her do
well..she is 100 times funnier then Tina Fey will ever be.

On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 12:45 AM, Tracey de Morsella <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>How Did The Fall TV Shows Fare?
>
> As the fall TV season hits its stride, the winners and losers have emerged,
> and it's a bloodbath out there. Ratings in general are horrible, and the
> major networks are still reeling from last year's writers' strike and a
> splintered viewership.
>
> Three series have already been pulled from the airwaves, including CBS' *The
> Ex List*.
>
> Herewith, the first of two SCI FI Wire assessments of how new and returning
> SF&F shows made the grade, in descending order. Today, we look at the new
> shows. Tomorrow, returning series.
>
> (In the past if a TV series was on one of the four big broadcast networks,
> it needed to bring in 10 million viewers or so to prove it was worthy. For
> The CW, the number was lower, and 3 million viewers did the trick. Oh, how
> things have changed!)
>
> *The Mentalist* (CBS) *Premiered with 15.55 million viewers. Last week,
> 15.29 million viewers*. OK, he's a fake psychic, and it's not really
> science fiction, but we'll claim any show that does this well. It's the only
> certified hit for the new season, drawing great numbers against Fox's *
> Fringe*. Beyond that, it manages to keep 90 percent of its viewers from
> lead-in *NCIS*. That sounds like a match made in TV heaven. *Grade: A+*
>
> *Sanctuary*  (SCI FI) *Premiered with 3
> million viewers.* Television's first mostly virtual series kicked off
> great, and it looks like a worthy successor to exiting SCI FI Friday shows
> *Stargate Atlantis*  and *Battlestar
> Galactica* . *Grade: A*
>
> *Eleventh Hour* (CBS) *Premiered with 11.59 million viewers. Last week,
> 12.16 million viewers.* Not a hit, this show can't keep up with its
> lead-in *C.S.I.'s* big numbers. But it has built its audience and
> consistently does well against NBC's *ER* and ABC's *Life on Mars*.
> Whether or not the series will stay on Thursdays or be swapped with
> Tuesday's *Without A Trace* remains to be seen, but in this ratings
> environment those numbers look good. *Grade: B+*
>
> *Fringe* (Fox) *Premiered with 9 million viewers. Last week, 9.11 million
> viewers.* This show had the most hype heading into the fall season, so the
> ratings have been a bit of a disappointment. Still, considering the
> implosion of *Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles* and some of Fox's
> other shows, 9 million+ viewers seems pretty good. *Grade: B*
>
> *Knight Rider* (NBC) *Premiered with 7.3 million viewers. Last week, 7.23
> million viewers*. This lightweight show with apparent lightweight ratings
> wouldn't seem to be a keeper for NBC. But *Knight Rider* appeals strongly
> to the young male viewer, and that was good enough for a full-season pickup.
> *Grade: C* (NBC is owned by NBC Universal, which also owns SCIFI.COM.)
>
> *Life on Mars* (ABC) *Premiered with 11.6 million viewers. Last week, 8.06
> million viewers*. This British transplant got a strong sampling when it
> premiered and managed to beat out CBS' *Eleventh Hour* in a head-to-head
> ratings smackdown. Since then, it's been losing viewers each week, which is
> always a bad sign. Between *Eli Stone* on Tuesdays, *Dirty Sexy Money* on
> Wednesdays and *Life on Mars* on Thursdays, ABC is having a tough time in
> the 10 p.m. hour. *Grade: D*
>
> *My Own Worst Enemy* (NBC) *Premiered with 7.27 million viewers. Last
> week, 5.72 million viewers*. Another troubled show, *My Own Worst 
> Enemy*didn't appeal to viewers from the beginning, despite heavy promotion. 
> Part
> of the problem has to do with lead-in *Heroes*' anemic numbers this
> season, but *Enemy* loses viewers by the half-hour mark, and that's a bad,
> bad sign. It's possible NBC will try *Enemy* in another slot and bring its
> reliable *Medium*, which is waiting in the wings, back where it belongs on
> Mondays. *Grade: D-* *Valentine* (The CW) *Premiered with 1.1 million
> viewers. Last week, 846,000 viewers*. The CW took a risk by turning over
> its Sunday nights to Media Rights Capital, which produced three n

[scifinoir2] How Did The Fall Scifi TV Shows Fare?

[Tracey de Morsella]

How Did The Fall TV Shows Fare?

As the fall TV season hits its stride, the winners and losers have emerged,
and it's a bloodbath out there. Ratings in general are horrible, and the
major networks are still reeling from last year's writers' strike and a
splintered viewership. 

Three series have already been pulled from the airwaves, including CBS' The
Ex List. 

Herewith, the first of two SCI FI Wire assessments of how new and returning
SF&F shows made the grade, in descending order. Today, we look at the new
shows. Tomorrow, returning series. 

(In the past if a TV series was on one of the four big broadcast networks,
it needed to bring in 10 million viewers or so to prove it was worthy. For
The CW, the number was lower, and 3 million viewers did the trick. Oh, how
things have changed!) 

The Mentalist (CBS) Premiered with 15.55 million viewers. Last week, 15.29
million viewers. OK, he's a fake psychic, and it's not really science
fiction, but we'll claim any show that does this well. It's the only
certified hit for the new season, drawing great numbers against Fox's
Fringe. Beyond that, it manages to keep 90 percent of its viewers from
lead-in NCIS. That sounds like a match made in TV heaven. Grade: A+ 

  Sanctuary (SCI FI) Premiered with 3
million viewers. Television's first mostly virtual series kicked off great,
and it looks like a worthy successor to exiting SCI FI Friday shows
 Stargate Atlantis and
 Battlestar Galactica. Grade: A 

Eleventh Hour (CBS) Premiered with 11.59 million viewers. Last week, 12.16
million viewers. Not a hit, this show can't keep up with its lead-in
C.S.I.'s big numbers. But it has built its audience and consistently does
well against NBC's ER and ABC's Life on Mars. Whether or not the series will
stay on Thursdays or be swapped with Tuesday's Without A Trace remains to be
seen, but in this ratings environment those numbers look good. Grade: B+ 

Fringe (Fox) Premiered with 9 million viewers. Last week, 9.11 million
viewers. This show had the most hype heading into the fall season, so the
ratings have been a bit of a disappointment. Still, considering the
implosion of Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles and some of Fox's other
shows, 9 million+ viewers seems pretty good. Grade: B 

Knight Rider (NBC) Premiered with 7.3 million viewers. Last week, 7.23
million viewers. This lightweight show with apparent lightweight ratings
wouldn't seem to be a keeper for NBC. But Knight Rider appeals strongly to
the young male viewer, and that was good enough for a full-season pickup.
Grade: C (NBC is owned by NBC Universal, which also owns SCIFI.COM.) 

Life on Mars (ABC) Premiered with 11.6 million viewers. Last week, 8.06
million viewers. This British transplant got a strong sampling when it
premiered and managed to beat out CBS' Eleventh Hour in a head-to-head
ratings smackdown. Since then, it's been losing viewers each week, which is
always a bad sign. Between Eli Stone on Tuesdays, Dirty Sexy Money on
Wednesdays and Life on Mars on Thursdays, ABC is having a tough time in the
10 p.m. hour. Grade: D 

My Own Worst Enemy (NBC) Premiered with 7.27 million viewers. Last week,
5.72 million viewers. Another troubled show, My Own Worst Enemy didn't
appeal to viewers from the beginning, despite heavy promotion. Part of the
problem has to do with lead-in Heroes' anemic numbers this season, but Enemy
loses viewers by the half-hour mark, and that's a bad, bad sign. It's
possible NBC will try Enemy in another slot and bring its reliable Medium,
which is waiting in the wings, back where it belongs on Mondays. Grade: D-
Valentine (The CW) Premiered with 1.1 million viewers. Last week, 846,000
viewers. The CW took a risk by turning over its Sunday nights to Media
Rights Capital, which produced three new series. Unfortunately, the
experiment failed, and the shows tanked across the board. Production was
"temporarily" halted on Valentine after finishing eight episodes. Media
Rights Capital promises to continue production and finish its 13-episode
order, but considering it can't even crack a million viewers, the Greek Gods
themselves would be challenged to save this one. Grade: F 

The Ex List (CBS) Premiered with 6.85 million viewers. Last week, 5.65
million viewers. While Ghost Whisperer has been doing well on Fridays, the
younger-skewing Ex List has proved a poor companion. CBS just pulled the
series off the air, with six episodes still in the can. A repeat of NCIS
will take its place. No word from CBS whether the series will be canceled or
tried out in another timeslot. Grade: F 

That's not all folks! There are more new series headed our way in the coming
months, including the syndicated Legend of the Seeker, which premieres this
Saturday, and Joss Whedon's highly anticipated Dollhouse, set for Fox early
next year. Stay tuned! --Kathie Huddleston 

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