Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Emanuel Apologizes, Signs Pledge to End Usage of Retarded
Well, looks like that indeed generated some issues. In the Letters page of Fantastic Four #575, the entire page is dedicated to two very long reader letters. Both are extremely upset and offended with Valeria Richards' calling her brother retarded in an earlier issue. The letters are heartfelt--i believe one of the writers works with mentally disabled children. I see their points, but again, not sure I find this wrong. Interesting is the writer's response, which basically says that Valeria's words are not nice, but that kids are often not nice, and it's his duty to be as realistic as possible in portrayal of his characters in this fantasy world. Check out this cool link, in which someone has scanned the entire letters page, where you can read it: http://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/1530066.html ** - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 4, 2010 6:55:46 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Emanuel Apologizes, Signs Pledge to End Usage of Retarded As an aside, i was reading an issue of the Fantastic Four comic earlier today. Reed and Sue Richards have two children now: the older, their son Franklin, who has normal intelligence, and their young daughter Valeria, who at the age of four is already a supergenius on the level of her father Reed. In playing around with Franklin about a question he was asking, Valeria says Oh Franklin, you're such a retard! Do we need to alert Sarah Palin so she can get Marvel comics censured? Demand an apology from the creative staff? Maybe get the FF canceled? * To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 17:33:52 + Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Emanuel Apologizes, Signs Pledge to End Usage of Retarded I'm sorry, but I don't see this as a firing offense. Retarded has many meanings and connotations. When you call a person retarded for doing something stupid, it's not in any way meant to suggest that person has Downs or Autism or any other developmental condition. It means the person is an idiot, pure and simple. The words simpleton, geek, cretin, and actually even, idiot, could be tagged as equally offensive in this light. This is a tempest in a teapot, especially seeing as this took place behind closed doors. I'm not saying people don't have a right to be upset. Had he used the n-word behind closed doors, even, I'd be pissed. If some hate retarded on this level, i respect that. But I do think we need to do some serious examination of how much stuff said in private can and should be used to evaluate a person's character. No single one of us could bear the scrutiny if everything we said in private were publicized. If my private utterings around the house ever got out, I think a lot of conservative white religious fanatics would probably want to have me drawn and quartered! End of the day, I don't think he at all was thinking of people with true developmental problems, but now that it got out, an apology was the right thing to do. Past that, let this die, and let's move on. The bigger problem is a new Internet/Twitter/Facebook world where every single thing is instantly universal, without any benefit of filtering, explanation, or real analysis. And the biggest problem? A world in which that idiot Sarah Palin is still being quoted for her opinion on anything of substance. With apologies to the idiots of the world for that comparison * [Yahoo News ] Dating back to the time he worked in the Clinton administration, White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel has developed an almost notorious reputation in Washington for being a brash personality with a penchant for profanity-laced diatribes. Conversely, his intense nature, in addition to his sharp mind, are what many attribute to his success and effectiveness as a Washington power player. But a recently revealed remark he made in a closed-door meeting attended by White House aides and leaders of liberal special-interest groups has irked many, prompting him to issue an apology. ...
[scifinoir2] OT: Emanuel Apologizes, Signs Pledge to End Usage of Retarded
I'm sorry, but I don't see this as a firing offense. Retarded has many meanings and connotations. When you call a person retarded for doing something stupid, it's not in any way meant to suggest that person has Downs or Autism or any other developmental condition. It means the person is an idiot, pure and simple. The words simpleton, geek, cretin, and actually even, idiot, could be tagged as equally offensive in this light. This is a tempest in a teapot, especially seeing as this took place behind closed doors. I'm not saying people don't have a right to be upset. Had he used the n-word behind closed doors, even, I'd be pissed. If some hate retarded on this level, i respect that. But I do think we need to do some serious examination of how much stuff said in private can and should be used to evaluate a person's character. No single one of us could bear the scrutiny if everything we said in private were publicized. If my private utterings around the house ever got out, I think a lot of conservative white religious fanatics would probably want to have me drawn and quartered! End of the day, I don't think he at all was thinking of people with true developmental problems, but now that it got out, an apology was the right thing to do. Past that, let this die, and let's move on. The bigger problem is a new Internet/Twitter/Facebook world where every single thing is instantly universal, without any benefit of filtering, explanation, or real analysis. And the biggest problem? A world in which that idiot Sarah Palin is still being quoted for her opinion on anything of substance. With apologies to the idiots of the world for that comparison * Yahoo News Dating back to the time he worked in the Clinton administration, White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel has developed an almost notorious reputation in Washington for being a brash personality with a penchant for profanity-laced diatribes. Conversely, his intense nature, in addition to his sharp mind, are what many attribute to his success and effectiveness as a Washington power player. But a recently revealed remark he made in a closed-door meeting attended by White House aides and leaders of liberal special-interest groups has irked many, prompting him to issue an apology. Last week, the Wall Street Journal reported that Emanuel, exasperated upon learning that liberal special-interest groups were planning to run ads against conservative Democrats not supportive of health care reform, blasted the plan as f-- retarded over the summer. Naturally, some outrage ensued after Emanuel's words came to light, with former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin taking to her Facebook page to call on President Obama to fire him for what she saw as the equivalent of a racial slur. Palin, whose son Trig is afflicted with Down syndrome, said she was informed of Emanuel's comment by a fellow parent of a special-needs child and pleaded with the president to show decency to the political process by eliminating the Chicago native from his inner circle. In a post titled Are You Capable of Decency, Rahm Emanuel?, Palin wrote, Just as we’d be appalled if any public figure of Rahm’s stature ever used the 'N-word' or other such inappropriate language, Rahm’s slur on all God’s children with cognitive and developmental disabilities — and the people who love them — is unacceptable, adding, it's heartbreaking. A Politico story today reports that an administration official informed them that Emanuel had already reached out to Special Olympics chairman and CEO Tim Shriver, who recently launched a campaign to end the use of the R word. Rahm called Tim Shriver Wednesday to apologize and the apology was accepted, the unnamed official said. A disabilityscoop.com story from last week sheds more light on Emanuel and Shriver's back-and-forth. Michelle Diament reports that Shriver first reached out to Emanuel in a letter: I know that private political discourse can sometimes include profanityBut at the same time, our community cannot accept the idea that they will remain the butt of jokes and taunts. I hope you will join us in changing the conversation and eliminating this word from your vocabulary. It should be noted that Emanuel, who is rumored to have once mailed a dead fish to a former coworker he disliked, has not offered any apology to the liberals his slur was aimed at, and it's highly doubtful that he ever will. -- Brett Michael Dykes is a contributor to the Yahoo! News blog
RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Emanuel Apologizes, Signs Pledge to End Usage of Retarded
(another standing ovation) When I first heard this story reported, I gave myself a headache when my eyes rolled back into my head too fast. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 17:33:52 + Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Emanuel Apologizes, Signs Pledge to End Usage of Retarded I'm sorry, but I don't see this as a firing offense. Retarded has many meanings and connotations. When you call a person retarded for doing something stupid, it's not in any way meant to suggest that person has Downs or Autism or any other developmental condition. It means the person is an idiot, pure and simple. The words simpleton, geek, cretin, and actually even, idiot, could be tagged as equally offensive in this light. This is a tempest in a teapot, especially seeing as this took place behind closed doors. I'm not saying people don't have a right to be upset. Had he used the n-word behind closed doors, even, I'd be pissed. If some hate retarded on this level, i respect that. But I do think we need to do some serious examination of how much stuff said in private can and should be used to evaluate a person's character. No single one of us could bear the scrutiny if everything we said in private were publicized. If my private utterings around the house ever got out, I think a lot of conservative white religious fanatics would probably want to have me drawn and quartered! End of the day, I don't think he at all was thinking of people with true developmental problems, but now that it got out, an apology was the right thing to do. Past that, let this die, and let's move on. The bigger problem is a new Internet/Twitter/Facebook world where every single thing is instantly universal, without any benefit of filtering, explanation, or real analysis. And the biggest problem? A world in which that idiot Sarah Palin is still being quoted for her opinion on anything of substance. With apologies to the idiots of the world for that comparison * Yahoo News Dating back to the time he worked in the Clinton administration, White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel has developed an almost notorious reputation in Washington for being a brash personality with a penchant for profanity-laced diatribes. Conversely, his intense nature, in addition to his sharp mind, are what many attribute to his success and effectiveness as a Washington power player. But a recently revealed remark he made in a closed-door meeting attended by White House aides and leaders of liberal special-interest groups has irked many, prompting him to issue an apology. Last week, the Wall Street Journal reported that Emanuel, exasperated upon learning that liberal special-interest groups were planning to run ads against conservative Democrats not supportive of health care reform, blasted the plan as f-- retarded over the summer. Naturally, some outrage ensued after Emanuel's words came to light, with former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin taking to her Facebook page to call on President Obama to fire him for what she saw as the equivalent of a racial slur. Palin, whose son Trig is afflicted with Down syndrome, said she was informed of Emanuel's comment by a fellow parent of a special-needs child and pleaded with the president to show decency to the political process by eliminating the Chicago native from his inner circle. In a post titled Are You Capable of Decency, Rahm Emanuel?, Palin wrote, Just as we’d be appalled if any public figure of Rahm’s stature ever used the 'N-word' or other such inappropriate language, Rahm’s slur on all God’s children with cognitive and developmental disabilities — and the people who love them — is unacceptable, adding, it's heartbreaking. A Politico story today reports that an administration official informed them that Emanuel had already reached out to Special Olympics chairman and CEO Tim Shriver, who recently launched a campaign to end the use of the R word. Rahm called Tim Shriver Wednesday to apologize and the apology was accepted, the unnamed official said. A disabilityscoop.com story from last week sheds more light on Emanuel and Shriver's back-and-forth. Michelle Diament reports that Shriver first reached out to Emanuel in a letter: I know that private political discourse can sometimes include profanityBut at the same time, our community cannot accept the idea that they will remain the butt of jokes and taunts. I hope you will join us in changing the conversation and eliminating this word from your vocabulary. It should be noted that Emanuel, who is rumored to have once mailed a dead fish to a former coworker he disliked, has not offered any apology
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Emanuel Apologizes, Signs Pledge to End Usage of Retarded
i hear ya! - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 4, 2010 3:13:24 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Emanuel Apologizes, Signs Pledge to End Usage of Retarded (another standing ovation) When I first heard this story reported, I gave myself a headache when my eyes rolled back into my head too fast. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 17:33:52 + Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Emanuel Apologizes, Signs Pledge to End Usage of Retarded I'm sorry, but I don't see this as a firing offense. Retarded has many meanings and connotations. When you call a person retarded for doing something stupid, it's not in any way meant to suggest that person has Downs or Autism or any other developmental condition. It means the person is an idiot, pure and simple. The words simpleton, geek, cretin, and actually even, idiot, could be tagged as equally offensive in this light. This is a tempest in a teapot, especially seeing as this took place behind closed doors. I'm not saying people don't have a right to be upset. Had he used the n-word behind closed doors, even, I'd be pissed. If some hate retarded on this level, i respect that. But I do think we need to do some serious examination of how much stuff said in private can and should be used to evaluate a person's character. No single one of us could bear the scrutiny if everything we said in private were publicized. If my private utterings around the house ever got out, I think a lot of conservative white religious fanatics would probably want to have me drawn and quartered! End of the day, I don't think he at all was thinking of people with true developmental problems, but now that it got out, an apology was the right thing to do. Past that, let this die, and let's move on. The bigger problem is a new Internet/Twitter/Facebook world where every single thing is instantly universal, without any benefit of filtering, explanation, or real analysis. And the biggest problem? A world in which that idiot Sarah Palin is still being quoted for her opinion on anything of substance. With apologies to the idiots of the world for that comparison * Yahoo News Dating back to the time he worked in the Clinton administration, White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel has developed an almost notorious reputation in Washington for being a brash personality with a penchant for profanity-laced diatribes. Conversely, his intense nature, in addition to his sharp mind, are what many attribute to his success and effectiveness as a Washington power player. But a recently revealed remark he made in a closed-door meeting attended by White House aides and leaders of liberal special-interest groups has irked many, prompting him to issue an apology. Last week, the Wall Street Journal reported that Emanuel, exasperated upon learning that liberal special-interest groups were planning to run ads against conservative Democrats not supportive of health care reform, blasted the plan as f-- retarded over the summer. Naturally, some outrage ensued after Emanuel's words came to light, with former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin taking to her Facebook page to call on President Obama to fire him for what she saw as the equivalent of a racial slur. Palin, whose son Trig is afflicted with Down syndrome, said she was informed of Emanuel's comment by a fellow parent of a special-needs child and pleaded with the president to show decency to the political process by eliminating the Chicago native from his inner circle. In a post titled Are You Capable of Decency, Rahm Emanuel?, Palin wrote, Just as we’d be appalled if any public figure of Rahm’s stature ever used the 'N-word' or other such inappropriate language, Rahm’s slur on all God’s children with cognitive and developmental disabilities — and the people who love them — is unacceptable, adding, it's heartbreaking. A Politico story today reports that an administration official informed them that Emanuel had already reached out to Special Olympics chairman and CEO Tim Shriver, who recently launched a campaign to end the use of the R word. Rahm called Tim Shriver Wednesday to apologize and the apology was accepted, the unnamed official said. A disabilityscoop.com story from last week sheds more light on Emanuel and Shriver's back-and-forth. Michelle Diament reports that Shriver first reached out to Emanuel in a letter: I know that private political discourse can sometimes include profanityBut at the same time, our community cannot accept the idea that they will remain the butt
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Emanuel Apologizes, Signs Pledge to End Usage of Retarded
As an aside, i was reading an issue of the Fantastic Four comic earlier today. Reed and Sue Richards have two children now: the older, their son Franklin, who has normal intelligence, and their young daughter Valeria, who at the age of four is already a supergenius on the level of her father Reed. In playing around with Franklin about a question he was asking, Valeria says Oh Franklin, you're such a retard! Do we need to alert Sarah Palin so she can get Marvel comics censured? Demand an apology from the creative staff? Maybe get the FF canceled? - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 4, 2010 3:13:24 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Emanuel Apologizes, Signs Pledge to End Usage of Retarded (another standing ovation) When I first heard this story reported, I gave myself a headache when my eyes rolled back into my head too fast. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 17:33:52 + Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Emanuel Apologizes, Signs Pledge to End Usage of Retarded I'm sorry, but I don't see this as a firing offense. Retarded has many meanings and connotations. When you call a person retarded for doing something stupid, it's not in any way meant to suggest that person has Downs or Autism or any other developmental condition. It means the person is an idiot, pure and simple. The words simpleton, geek, cretin, and actually even, idiot, could be tagged as equally offensive in this light. This is a tempest in a teapot, especially seeing as this took place behind closed doors. I'm not saying people don't have a right to be upset. Had he used the n-word behind closed doors, even, I'd be pissed. If some hate retarded on this level, i respect that. But I do think we need to do some serious examination of how much stuff said in private can and should be used to evaluate a person's character. No single one of us could bear the scrutiny if everything we said in private were publicized. If my private utterings around the house ever got out, I think a lot of conservative white religious fanatics would probably want to have me drawn and quartered! End of the day, I don't think he at all was thinking of people with true developmental problems, but now that it got out, an apology was the right thing to do. Past that, let this die, and let's move on. The bigger problem is a new Internet/Twitter/Facebook world where every single thing is instantly universal, without any benefit of filtering, explanation, or real analysis. And the biggest problem? A world in which that idiot Sarah Palin is still being quoted for her opinion on anything of substance. With apologies to the idiots of the world for that comparison * Yahoo News Dating back to the time he worked in the Clinton administration, White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel has developed an almost notorious reputation in Washington for being a brash personality with a penchant for profanity-laced diatribes. Conversely, his intense nature, in addition to his sharp mind, are what many attribute to his success and effectiveness as a Washington power player. But a recently revealed remark he made in a closed-door meeting attended by White House aides and leaders of liberal special-interest groups has irked many, prompting him to issue an apology. Last week, the Wall Street Journal reported that Emanuel, exasperated upon learning that liberal special-interest groups were planning to run ads against conservative Democrats not supportive of health care reform, blasted the plan as f-- retarded over the summer. Naturally, some outrage ensued after Emanuel's words came to light, with former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin taking to her Facebook page to call on President Obama to fire him for what she saw as the equivalent of a racial slur. Palin, whose son Trig is afflicted with Down syndrome, said she was informed of Emanuel's comment by a fellow parent of a special-needs child and pleaded with the president to show decency to the political process by eliminating the Chicago native from his inner circle. In a post titled Are You Capable of Decency, Rahm Emanuel?, Palin wrote, Just as we’d be appalled if any public figure of Rahm’s stature ever used the 'N-word' or other such inappropriate language, Rahm’s slur on all God’s children with cognitive and developmental disabilities — and the people who love them — is unacceptable, adding, it's heartbreaking. A Politico story today reports that an administration official informed them that Emanuel had already reached out to Special Olympics chairman
RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Emanuel Apologizes, Signs Pledge to End Usage of Retarded
Them insensitive comic-book 'ritin' folk... Ms Palin gon' git her gun on 'em, iff'n they ain't careful. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 23:55:46 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Emanuel Apologizes, Signs Pledge to End Usage of Retarded As an aside, i was reading an issue of the Fantastic Four comic earlier today. Reed and Sue Richards have two children now: the older, their son Franklin, who has normal intelligence, and their young daughter Valeria, who at the age of four is already a supergenius on the level of her father Reed. In playing around with Franklin about a question he was asking, Valeria says Oh Franklin, you're such a retard! Do we need to alert Sarah Palin so she can get Marvel comics censured? Demand an apology from the creative staff? Maybe get the FF canceled? - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 4, 2010 3:13:24 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Emanuel Apologizes, Signs Pledge to End Usage of Retarded (another standing ovation) When I first heard this story reported, I gave myself a headache when my eyes rolled back into my head too fast. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 17:33:52 + Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Emanuel Apologizes, Signs Pledge to End Usage of Retarded I'm sorry, but I don't see this as a firing offense. Retarded has many meanings and connotations. When you call a person retarded for doing something stupid, it's not in any way meant to suggest that person has Downs or Autism or any other developmental condition. It means the person is an idiot, pure and simple. The words simpleton, geek, cretin, and actually even, idiot, could be tagged as equally offensive in this light. This is a tempest in a teapot, especially seeing as this took place behind closed doors. I'm not saying people don't have a right to be upset. Had he used the n-word behind closed doors, even, I'd be pissed. If some hate retarded on this level, i respect that. But I do think we need to do some serious examination of how much stuff said in private can and should be used to evaluate a person's character. No single one of us could bear the scrutiny if everything we said in private were publicized. If my private utterings around the house ever got out, I think a lot of conservative white religious fanatics would probably want to have me drawn and quartered! End of the day, I don't think he at all was thinking of people with true developmental problems, but now that it got out, an apology was the right thing to do. Past that, let this die, and let's move on. The bigger problem is a new Internet/Twitter/Facebook world where every single thing is instantly universal, without any benefit of filtering, explanation, or real analysis. And the biggest problem? A world in which that idiot Sarah Palin is still being quoted for her opinion on anything of substance. With apologies to the idiots of the world for that comparison * Yahoo News Dating back to the time he worked in the Clinton administration, White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel has developed an almost notorious reputation in Washington for being a brash personality with a penchant for profanity-laced diatribes. Conversely, his intense nature, in addition to his sharp mind, are what many attribute to his success and effectiveness as a Washington power player. But a recently revealed remark he made in a closed-door meeting attended by White House aides and leaders of liberal special-interest groups has irked many, prompting him to issue an apology. Last week, the Wall Street Journal reported that Emanuel, exasperated upon learning that liberal special-interest groups were planning to run ads against conservative Democrats not supportive of health care reform, blasted the plan as f-- retarded over the summer. Naturally, some outrage ensued after Emanuel's words came to light, with former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin taking to her Facebook page to call on President Obama to fire him for what she saw as the equivalent of a racial slur. Palin, whose son Trig is afflicted with Down syndrome, said she was informed of Emanuel's comment by a fellow parent of a special-needs child and pleaded with the president to show decency
