[scifinoir2] Re: OT: Was the photoshopped Ralph Lauren model fired for being overweight?
I watch the View and Sherri Sheppard is not an intelligent person. Once Heidi Montag and Sherri were seated together and there was an intellectual black hole on that end of the couch. I do enjoy her new sitcom, though. It is built on the sturdy chassis of some of the better white sitcoms instead of the ramshackle chasis that most black sitcoms are built on. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: You know, I actually never feel ashamed as a black person when Sheri makes her statements--and i am very prone to that phenomenon. Again, I think it's because she seems to me to be a good person who might be naive, but not stupid. And the white women have their moments too. I think, too, that given the kind of ignorance and hate I saw last year from the Palin crowd, the likes of Shephard seem like a breath of fresh air by comparison. That said, what black female celebrity--politician, media mogul, entertainer, actress, reporter, whatever--do you respect? I like Gwen Ifill and Michelle Martin (host of NPR Tell Me More) in the news game. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 11:19:02 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Was the photoshopped Ralph Lauren model fired for being overweight? I do not watch the view much. Actually, the only time I see it is when something outrageous and they show clips on TV. I agree with your assessment. It probably is not fair, but when she says something dumb, it is really dumb and it makes me cringe, and it my view makes Blacks look like idiots. Like I said, it is not fair, but thatâs how it makes me feel From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 7:38 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Was the photoshopped Ralph Lauren model fired for being overweight? Yeah I get all that, guess it's just good that fashion doesn't depend on my tastes! I've listened to Shepard many times on The View. She was raised in a fairly conservative background, and it shows. But you know what? I like her, and I haven't given up on her. For one thing, unlike militant conservative Elizabeth Hasselbeck, Shepard isn't mean or malicious. She isn't given to attacking other people who disagree with her, and, even when she's a bit stubborn, it seems more defensive than combative. She made some crazy comments, but she was new to that type of show, and I can see her saying nutty stuff out of sheer nerves, especially when two or three accomplished people confront her. Again, at least she's not like hasslebeck or the unlamented Rosie O'Donnell, who both fight like pitbulls when challenged. And I also give her credit for admitting that there's a lot she doesn't know. When Obama was running, she became very excited about the election, and started looking into the issues and examining candidates for the first time in her life. I was encouraged that she actually thought about her decision, rather than just voting based on emotion. It was actually kinda cool to see the innocent look of excitement on her face as she got further into the election process. She strikes me as a nice person who has been focused more on life and family than broader issues, but is realizing she should do more, and I respect that she is doing something about it. She may be naive, even ignorant of some things, but at least she's not truly narrow-minded like the Palin crowd. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 7:46:24 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Was the photoshopped Ralph Lauren model fired for being overweight? Here is one benefit. How the clothes look on the model is everything to the manufacturer or retailer. Most of the clothes will not fit any body type right. If the model is too small, you can pin, pad, or stuff. If the model is too big for the outfit, you cannot do anything. Also not all clothes are made for all body types. For instance, Sheri Shepard has a wide waist so things that accent her waist will not look great on her, unless attention is drawn to her breasts-which is not always possible if the outfit is not designed that way On a skinny woman with the same waist issue, it would be less noticeable. It is not really hard to dress for body type, but when you are selling clothes, the idea is to find the right body type for the clothes. Sheri does look way better since she lost weight. I always liked her up until she got on the View, but her views on there not being evolution and the world being flat make her difficult to like. I wish
[scifinoir2] Re: OT: Was the photoshopped Ralph Lauren model fired for being overweight?
I think the word needs to get out that all these images ARE photoshopped and that no REAL woman looks like that. A year or so ago Kate Winslet took Esquire to task for photoshopping her photograph and recently Kelly Clarkson was photoshopped on the cover of a woman's magazine. Clarkson showed up on The View substantially larger than she appeared on the magazine cover - unashamed and unapologetic - and I thought that was a good thing. She showed she was real sized in the same time frame as she was appearing photoshopped on the magazine. Meanwhile, for something completely different, here is Karl Lagerfield defending size zero models: http://eepheex.notlong.com ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: I don't know what's more disturbing: that they think this model in her current true form is overweight, or that anyone in any country in the world thought that doctored photo of her was either realistic or attractive. I have tried over and over to understand the American obsession with thin models and actresses. My wife always explains to me that clothing looks better when hung on a thin frame, since designers feel a woman's curves detract from the dress, and a thin woman's body doesn't do that. (she doesn't agree with the philosophy, but understands it). Assuming I bought that--I don't--why then do even actresses, who ostensibly aren't modeling clothing, get told to lose weight? Why are so many makeup models thin when all we should be looking at are their faces (the Queen Latifah's of the world notwithstanding) As a black man over 40, raised to think a good body was represented by the likes of Nichele Nichols, Chaka Khan, Pam Grier, Sophia Loren, or Racquel Welch, i guess I'll never understand how voluptuous can either be a dirty word, or applied to someone as relatively slim as Cindy Crawford or Claudia Schiffer. I do know it must be crazy to be a woman trying to survive in the fashion or movie industries as long as this skewed view of beauty persists. No wonder so many models are anorexic and addicted to amphetamines! Remember back when TV Guide grafted Oprah Winfrey's head onto Ann Margaret's body? Man, do we ever see anyone as they really are anymore? ** http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/beauty/was-the-photoshopped-ralph-lauren-model-fired-for-being-overweight-525248/ Was the photoshopped Ralph Lauren model fired for being overweight? photoshopdisasters.blogspot.com photoshopdisasters.blogspot.com Last week Ralph Lauren came under fire for (what looked to be) an extremely altered photo of a model in one of its ads. Bloggers at the website BoingBoing.net posted the image online, and lawyers for Ralph Lauren attempted to sue them for copyright infringement. Unfortunately for Ralph Lauren, this only furthered public interest and outrage over the dangerously thin looking model and, eventually, the clothing company released this apology: For over 42 years we have built a brand based on quality and integrity. After further investigation, we have learned that we are responsible for the poor imaging and retouching that resulted in a very distorted image of a woman's body. We have addressed the problem and going forward will take every precaution to ensure that the caliber of our artwork represents our brand appropriately. Unfortunately,addressing the problem may have included firing the model, 23-year-old Filippa Hamilton. She is 5'10 and weighs 120 pounds--clearly more full-bodied than the photoshopped girl we see in the advertisement. Though Hamilton has modeled for Ralph Lauren since she was 15, the company let her go as a result of her inability to meet the obligations under her contract with us. But the story gets worse: Hamilton says she was let go because she'd become too fat to model for them. They fired me because they said I was overweight and I couldn't fit in their clothes anymore, she explained. I was shocked to see that super skinny girl with my face...It's very sad, I think, that Ralph Lauren could do something like that. Filippa Hamilton in a past Ralph Lauren ad Filippa Hamilton in a past Ralph Lauren ad Most of us know that a tall, young woman who weighs 120 pounds is not overweight. But Hamilton claims Ralph Lauren was dissatisfied with her body, and therefore fired her six months ago. However, the company continued to use her image, whittling down her arms, waist, thighs, and possibly several other body parts in the above ad. If they were so unhappy with how she looked, why not get another model for the campaign? Why use the photos and alter and distort them? Today, Ralph Lauren himself is distancing himself from the ad, claiming, The image in question was mistakenly released and used in a department store in Japan and was not the approved image which ran
[scifinoir2] Re: OT: Was the photoshopped Ralph Lauren model fired for being overweight?
Not to mention there has been significant size fudging over the years. Allegedly Marilyn Monroe was a size 12 in the late fifties and sixties but when they held up the iconic dress she wore in The Seven-Year Itch in front of a normal sized woman it appeared Miss Monroe was actually what would be considered a size 6 today. For instance, Nancy Reagan is a actual size zero and she looks like Skeletor. ~ (no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@... wrote: Okay, I'm going to give some stats here for a sake of comparison. At 5'4 at 120 lbs, I wear a size 2--size 0 in some clothing if the hips run loose because my waist is significantly smaller than my hips. I am also rather small-boned. For someone at 5'10 to be too fat at 120 is fucking insane. I actually will deliberately gain weight if I go below 120 because at that point I start to look unhealthy. At my height, 5 lbs goes a LONG way. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 7:21 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@...wrote: I don't know what's more disturbing: that they think this model in her current true form is overweight, or that anyone in any country in the world thought that doctored photo of her was either realistic or attractive. I have tried over and over to understand the American obsession with thin models and actresses. My wife always explains to me that clothing looks better when hung on a thin frame, since designers feel a woman's curves detract from the dress, and a thin woman's body doesn't do that. (she doesn't agree with the philosophy, but understands it). Assuming I bought that--I don't--why then do even actresses, who ostensibly aren't modeling clothing, get told to lose weight? Why are so many makeup models thin when all we should be looking at are their faces (the Queen Latifah's of the world notwithstanding) As a black man over 40, raised to think a good body was represented by the likes of Nichele Nichols, Chaka Khan, Pam Grier, Sophia Loren, or Racquel Welch, i guess I'll never understand how voluptuous can either be a dirty word, or applied to someone as relatively slim as Cindy Crawford or Claudia Schiffer. I do know it must be crazy to be a woman trying to survive in the fashion or movie industries as long as this skewed view of beauty persists. No wonder so many models are anorexic and addicted to amphetamines! Remember back when TV Guide grafted Oprah Winfrey's head onto Ann Margaret's body? Man, do we ever see anyone as they really are anymore? ** http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/beauty/was-the-photoshopped-ralph-lauren-model-fired-for-being-overweight-525248/ Was the photoshopped Ralph Lauren model fired for being overweight? [image: photoshopdisasters.blogspot.com] photoshopdisasters.blogspot.com Last week Ralph Lauren came under fire for (what looked to be) an extremely altered photo of a modelhttp://shine.yahoo.com/event/fallbeauty/image-of-ultra-thin-ralph-lauren-model-sparks-outrage-521480/in one of its ads. Bloggers at the website BoingBoing.net posted the image online, and lawyers for Ralph Lauren attempted to sue them for copyright infringement. Unfortunately for Ralph Lauren, this only furthered public interest and outrage over the dangerously thin looking model and, eventually, the clothing company released this apology: For over 42 years we have built a brand based on quality and integrity. After further investigation, we have learned that we are responsible for the poor imaging and retouching that resulted in a very distorted image of a woman's body. We have addressed the problem and going forward will take every precaution to ensure that the caliber of our artwork represents our brand appropriately. Unfortunately,addressing the problem may have included firing the model, 23-year-old Filippa Hamilton. She is 5'10 and weighs 120 pounds--clearly more full-bodied than the photoshopped girl we see in the advertisement. Though Hamilton has modeled for Ralph Lauren since she was 15, the company let her go as a result of her inability to meet the obligations under her contract with us. But the story gets worse: Hamilton says she was let go because she'd become too fat to model for them. They fired me because they said I was overweight and I couldn't fit in their clothes anymore, she explained. I was shocked to see that super skinny girl with my face...It's very sad, I think, that Ralph Lauren could do something like that. [image: Filippa
