Re: [scifinoir2] Singer Won't Do Next Superman?
It barely registered for me. The writing was lackluster, the plot uninspired. miscasting of the two leads. Reintroducing the franchise with too much focus on romance. I barely remember it. My husband fell asleep watching it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Yeah, Routh was a bit "mild" as both Supes and Clark. Not sure if it's the > writing, or his character. I do know the way Singer wrote the characters > didn't help. he made Superman so pensive and pining for Lois. It's as if you > took all the sometimes irritating "I love Lana but can never be with her" > puppy dog sadness of clark on "Smallville" and concentrated into Routh in the > movie. gag! > > what about he movie most annoyed you? > > -- Original message -- > From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I really wanted to like it too. I was so underwhelmed. > Particularly by their choice for Superman. Nothing against Brandon > Routh, but he just does not register. He's got no charisma or star > power. If the title character puts you to sleep, the movie is doomed > You said it all Keith. and Darryl you are right. It is best if we just > all pretend that "Superman Returns" never happened, then. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> one of the biggest disappointments to me recently. i wanted to love this >> movie. The trailers had me excited ( i even posted here about them). But it >> was bogged down in a soggy love story, a completely unengaging and >> unimpressive Lois Lane, not enough good action. Another big thing is they >> need to jettison the comedic Lex Luthor, which i hate. One minute he's a >> deadly menace, the next he's doing standup. Luthor is evil, make him so and >> drop the jokes. Spacey was effective when he was bad, like stabbing supes >> with the Green K. But when he was acting goofy i just groaned. And finally, >> i *hate* the nerdy Clark Kent. I was never a fan of the stumbling nerd >> Clark, which is too much caricature for me. Much prefer the way he was back >> in the original comics, after John Byrne's reboot, or on "Smallville": a >> regular guy who some might think at first is a bit too mild, but capable of >> amazing acts. I think Clark as a strong person in his own right makes the >> character much more interesti >> > > >> ng. >> >> -- Original message -- >> From: Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> So we can just all pretend that "Superman Returns" never happened, then. >> >> On 1/4/08 2:35 AM, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Singer Won't Do Next Superman? >>> http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=46890 >>> Variety columnist Anne Thompson reported that it is "highly unlikely" >>> that Superman Returns helmer Bryan Singer will return to shoot the next >>> Superman movie. >>> >>> Singer is finishing up Tom Cruise's Nazi film Valkyrie and prepping The >>> Mayor of Castro Street. >>> >>> "The next Superman we will see on the big screen will not be [Superman >>> Returns star] Brandon Routh, but a younger Superman among a cast of >>> youthful superheroes in ... Justice League," Thompson wrote. "That movie >>> will likely not be shot, however, until after the [writers'] strike is >>> resolved." >>> >>> Thompson also reported details of the upcoming The Dark Knight, >>> Christopher Nolan's sequel to his Batman Begins. Warner Brothers is >>> hoping Nolan returns for a third installment, Thompson wrote. >>> >>> >>> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > Individual Email | Traditional > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Singer Won't Do Next Superman?
Yeah, Routh was a bit "mild" as both Supes and Clark. Not sure if it's the writing, or his character. I do know the way Singer wrote the characters didn't help. he made Superman so pensive and pining for Lois. It's as if you took all the sometimes irritating "I love Lana but can never be with her" puppy dog sadness of clark on "Smallville" and concentrated into Routh in the movie. gag! what about he movie most annoyed you? -- Original message -- From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I really wanted to like it too. I was so underwhelmed. Particularly by their choice for Superman. Nothing against Brandon Routh, but he just does not register. He's got no charisma or star power. If the title character puts you to sleep, the movie is doomed You said it all Keith. and Darryl you are right. It is best if we just all pretend that "Superman Returns" never happened, then. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > one of the biggest disappointments to me recently. i wanted to love this > movie. The trailers had me excited ( i even posted here about them). But it > was bogged down in a soggy love story, a completely unengaging and > unimpressive Lois Lane, not enough good action. Another big thing is they > need to jettison the comedic Lex Luthor, which i hate. One minute he's a > deadly menace, the next he's doing standup. Luthor is evil, make him so and > drop the jokes. Spacey was effective when he was bad, like stabbing supes > with the Green K. But when he was acting goofy i just groaned. And finally, i > *hate* the nerdy Clark Kent. I was never a fan of the stumbling nerd Clark, > which is too much caricature for me. Much prefer the way he was back in the > original comics, after John Byrne's reboot, or on "Smallville": a regular guy > who some might think at first is a bit too mild, but capable of amazing acts. > I think Clark as a strong person in his own right makes the character much > more interesti > ng. > > -- Original message -- > From: Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > So we can just all pretend that "Superman Returns" never happened, then. > > On 1/4/08 2:35 AM, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> Singer Won't Do Next Superman? >> http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=46890 >> Variety columnist Anne Thompson reported that it is "highly unlikely" >> that Superman Returns helmer Bryan Singer will return to shoot the next >> Superman movie. >> >> Singer is finishing up Tom Cruise's Nazi film Valkyrie and prepping The >> Mayor of Castro Street. >> >> "The next Superman we will see on the big screen will not be [Superman >> Returns star] Brandon Routh, but a younger Superman among a cast of >> youthful superheroes in ... Justice League," Thompson wrote. "That movie >> will likely not be shot, however, until after the [writers'] strike is >> resolved." >> >> Thompson also reported details of the upcoming The Dark Knight, >> Christopher Nolan's sequel to his Batman Begins. Warner Brothers is >> hoping Nolan returns for a third installment, Thompson wrote. >> >> >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Singer Won't Do Next Superman?
I really wanted to like it too. I was so underwhelmed. Particularly by their choice for Superman. Nothing against Brandon Routh, but he just does not register. He's got no charisma or star power. If the title character puts you to sleep, the movie is doomed You said it all Keith. and Darryl you are right. It is best if we just all pretend that "Superman Returns" never happened, then. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > one of the biggest disappointments to me recently. i wanted to love this > movie. The trailers had me excited ( i even posted here about them). But it > was bogged down in a soggy love story, a completely unengaging and > unimpressive Lois Lane, not enough good action. Another big thing is they > need to jettison the comedic Lex Luthor, which i hate. One minute he's a > deadly menace, the next he's doing standup. Luthor is evil, make him so and > drop the jokes. Spacey was effective when he was bad, like stabbing supes > with the Green K. But when he was acting goofy i just groaned. And finally, i > *hate* the nerdy Clark Kent. I was never a fan of the stumbling nerd Clark, > which is too much caricature for me. Much prefer the way he was back in the > original comics, after John Byrne's reboot, or on "Smallville": a regular guy > who some might think at first is a bit too mild, but capable of amazing acts. > I think Clark as a strong person in his own right makes the character much > more interesti > ng. > > -- Original message -- > From: Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > So we can just all pretend that "Superman Returns" never happened, then. > > On 1/4/08 2:35 AM, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> Singer Won't Do Next Superman? >> http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=46890 >> Variety columnist Anne Thompson reported that it is "highly unlikely" >> that Superman Returns helmer Bryan Singer will return to shoot the next >> Superman movie. >> >> Singer is finishing up Tom Cruise's Nazi film Valkyrie and prepping The >> Mayor of Castro Street. >> >> "The next Superman we will see on the big screen will not be [Superman >> Returns star] Brandon Routh, but a younger Superman among a cast of >> youthful superheroes in ... Justice League," Thompson wrote. "That movie >> will likely not be shot, however, until after the [writers'] strike is >> resolved." >> >> Thompson also reported details of the upcoming The Dark Knight, >> Christopher Nolan's sequel to his Batman Begins. Warner Brothers is >> hoping Nolan returns for a third installment, Thompson wrote. >> >> >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Singer Won't Do Next Superman?
I'll give it a go later, Keith. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if you can do the chapter search, just look for a few key scenes: * superman saving the plane from crashing--nice FX, the most talked about in the movie, but not my fav * superman saving the crowd in Metropolis during the earthquake --there's an amazing moment when debris falls from buildings, threatening the crowd below. Superman is flying away from the scene, sees the danger, and, while still flying in the same direction, flips over (doin an aerial backstroke of sorts) and pulverizes the debris with his heat vision. The aerial move is really quite lovely, the kind of thing you rarely see superheroes do. Usually they just fly in a simple direction. It's a special scene that i equate to those rare moments in space films when a spaceship actually manuevers in the third dimension, instead of the strange convention of always operating in two dimensions as they usally do. * Lex stabbing Superman -- the comedic Lex Luthor pisses me off, the evil, sinister one is great. When Stacey drove that Kryptonite splinth into Supe's side, leering with triumph and malice i literally shouted "yeah! That's the Luthor I want to see!" A powerful dark moment that shows what this movie could--should--have been * Superman powering up -- still suffering from Green K poisoning, Clark flies into the upper atmosphere to expose himself to direct sunligh. he hovers there for a moment in tragic glory, absording the lifeblood of Sol before going back to do the impossible (see below). It's a majestic moment, him above the clouds, bathing in that light. I remembering whispering "wow, they get it" at that simple scene. * Superman lifting the new island into the sky -- okay, I'm also *not* a fan of the godlike Superman of he movies, the one with powers that allow him to move whole planets. But, this scene of him lifting an entire piece of land--while green K keeps "growing" from it, killing him--is, well, soaring. * Falling from the sky --after taxing himself by lifting the island, Clark blacks out and falls thousands of feet to Earth. Again, another majestic, powerful scene, showing that Singer gets it, able to merge action, FX, music, drama, and the magic of comics into one scene. All of the above are the essence of Superman, from the soaring majesty of demigod to the gee-whiz of just having powers, to the solemnity of having all that power yet feeling so alone. But outside of that? One long, boring series of Lex cracking wise, Lana with the puppy dog eyes, and just generally insipid plotting. -- Original message -- From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I can get behind that. I've got the movie right now, one of those slightly-illicit versions. Think I watched about ten minutes of it before turning it off. Admittedly, I'm not a fan of Big Blue, and never have been (all of Chris Reeve's exploits, I saw though video), but the movie, to me, was supremely unengaging. Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So we can just all pretend that "Superman Returns" never happened, then. On 1/4/08 2:35 AM, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Singer Won't Do Next Superman? > http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=46890 > Variety columnist Anne Thompson reported that it is "highly unlikely" > that Superman Returns helmer Bryan Singer will return to shoot the next > Superman movie. > > Singer is finishing up Tom Cruise's Nazi film Valkyrie and prepping The > Mayor of Castro Street. > > "The next Superman we will see on the big screen will not be [Superman > Returns star] Brandon Routh, but a younger Superman among a cast of > youthful superheroes in ... Justice League," Thompson wrote. "That movie > will likely not be shot, however, until after the [writers'] strike is > resolved." > > Thompson also reported details of the upcoming The Dark Knight, > Christopher Nolan's sequel to his Batman Begins. Warner Brothers is > hoping Nolan returns for a third installment, Thompson wrote. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > "There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut, "A Man Without A Country" - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] "There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut, "A Man Without A Country" - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Singer Won't Do Next Superman?
if you can do the chapter search, just look for a few key scenes: * superman saving the plane from crashing--nice FX, the most talked about in the movie, but not my fav * superman saving the crowd in Metropolis during the earthquake --there's an amazing moment when debris falls from buildings, threatening the crowd below. Superman is flying away from the scene, sees the danger, and, while still flying in the same direction, flips over (doin an aerial backstroke of sorts) and pulverizes the debris with his heat vision. The aerial move is really quite lovely, the kind of thing you rarely see superheroes do. Usually they just fly in a simple direction. It's a special scene that i equate to those rare moments in space films when a spaceship actually manuevers in the third dimension, instead of the strange convention of always operating in two dimensions as they usally do. * Lex stabbing Superman -- the comedic Lex Luthor pisses me off, the evil, sinister one is great. When Stacey drove that Kryptonite splinth into Supe's side, leering with triumph and malice i literally shouted "yeah! That's the Luthor I want to see!" A powerful dark moment that shows what this movie could--should--have been * Superman powering up -- still suffering from Green K poisoning, Clark flies into the upper atmosphere to expose himself to direct sunligh. he hovers there for a moment in tragic glory, absording the lifeblood of Sol before going back to do the impossible (see below). It's a majestic moment, him above the clouds, bathing in that light. I remembering whispering "wow, they get it" at that simple scene. * Superman lifting the new island into the sky -- okay, I'm also *not* a fan of the godlike Superman of he movies, the one with powers that allow him to move whole planets. But, this scene of him lifting an entire piece of land--while green K keeps "growing" from it, killing him--is, well, soaring. * Falling from the sky --after taxing himself by lifting the island, Clark blacks out and falls thousands of feet to Earth. Again, another majestic, powerful scene, showing that Singer gets it, able to merge action, FX, music, drama, and the magic of comics into one scene. All of the above are the essence of Superman, from the soaring majesty of demigod to the gee-whiz of just having powers, to the solemnity of having all that power yet feeling so alone. But outside of that? One long, boring series of Lex cracking wise, Lana with the puppy dog eyes, and just generally insipid plotting. -- Original message -- From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I can get behind that. I've got the movie right now, one of those slightly-illicit versions. Think I watched about ten minutes of it before turning it off. Admittedly, I'm not a fan of Big Blue, and never have been (all of Chris Reeve's exploits, I saw though video), but the movie, to me, was supremely unengaging. Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So we can just all pretend that "Superman Returns" never happened, then. On 1/4/08 2:35 AM, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Singer Won't Do Next Superman? > http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=46890 > Variety columnist Anne Thompson reported that it is "highly unlikely" > that Superman Returns helmer Bryan Singer will return to shoot the next > Superman movie. > > Singer is finishing up Tom Cruise's Nazi film Valkyrie and prepping The > Mayor of Castro Street. > > "The next Superman we will see on the big screen will not be [Superman > Returns star] Brandon Routh, but a younger Superman among a cast of > youthful superheroes in ... Justice League," Thompson wrote. "That movie > will likely not be shot, however, until after the [writers'] strike is > resolved." > > Thompson also reported details of the upcoming The Dark Knight, > Christopher Nolan's sequel to his Batman Begins. Warner Brothers is > hoping Nolan returns for a third installment, Thompson wrote. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > "There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut, "A Man Without A Country" - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Singer Won't Do Next Superman?
I can get behind that. I've got the movie right now, one of those slightly-illicit versions. Think I watched about ten minutes of it before turning it off. Admittedly, I'm not a fan of Big Blue, and never have been (all of Chris Reeve's exploits, I saw though video), but the movie, to me, was supremely unengaging. Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So we can just all pretend that "Superman Returns" never happened, then. On 1/4/08 2:35 AM, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Singer Won't Do Next Superman? > http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=46890 > Variety columnist Anne Thompson reported that it is "highly unlikely" > that Superman Returns helmer Bryan Singer will return to shoot the next > Superman movie. > > Singer is finishing up Tom Cruise's Nazi film Valkyrie and prepping The > Mayor of Castro Street. > > "The next Superman we will see on the big screen will not be [Superman > Returns star] Brandon Routh, but a younger Superman among a cast of > youthful superheroes in ... Justice League," Thompson wrote. "That movie > will likely not be shot, however, until after the [writers'] strike is > resolved." > > Thompson also reported details of the upcoming The Dark Knight, > Christopher Nolan's sequel to his Batman Begins. Warner Brothers is > hoping Nolan returns for a third installment, Thompson wrote. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > "There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut, "A Man Without A Country" - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Singer Won't Do Next Superman?
one of the biggest disappointments to me recently. i wanted to love this movie. The trailers had me excited ( i even posted here about them). But it was bogged down in a soggy love story, a completely unengaging and unimpressive Lois Lane, not enough good action. Another big thing is they need to jettison the comedic Lex Luthor, which i hate. One minute he's a deadly menace, the next he's doing standup. Luthor is evil, make him so and drop the jokes. Spacey was effective when he was bad, like stabbing supes with the Green K. But when he was acting goofy i just groaned. And finally, i *hate* the nerdy Clark Kent. I was never a fan of the stumbling nerd Clark, which is too much caricature for me. Much prefer the way he was back in the original comics, after John Byrne's reboot, or on "Smallville": a regular guy who some might think at first is a bit too mild, but capable of amazing acts. I think Clark as a strong person in his own right makes the character much more interesting. -- Original message -- From: Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> So we can just all pretend that "Superman Returns" never happened, then. On 1/4/08 2:35 AM, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Singer Won't Do Next Superman? > http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=46890 > Variety columnist Anne Thompson reported that it is "highly unlikely" > that Superman Returns helmer Bryan Singer will return to shoot the next > Superman movie. > > Singer is finishing up Tom Cruise's Nazi film Valkyrie and prepping The > Mayor of Castro Street. > > "The next Superman we will see on the big screen will not be [Superman > Returns star] Brandon Routh, but a younger Superman among a cast of > youthful superheroes in ... Justice League," Thompson wrote. "That movie > will likely not be shot, however, until after the [writers'] strike is > resolved." > > Thompson also reported details of the upcoming The Dark Knight, > Christopher Nolan's sequel to his Batman Begins. Warner Brothers is > hoping Nolan returns for a third installment, Thompson wrote. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Singer Won't Do Next Superman?
So we can just all pretend that "Superman Returns" never happened, then. On 1/4/08 2:35 AM, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Singer Won't Do Next Superman? > http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=46890 > Variety columnist Anne Thompson reported that it is "highly unlikely" > that Superman Returns helmer Bryan Singer will return to shoot the next > Superman movie. > > Singer is finishing up Tom Cruise's Nazi film Valkyrie and prepping The > Mayor of Castro Street. > > "The next Superman we will see on the big screen will not be [Superman > Returns star] Brandon Routh, but a younger Superman among a cast of > youthful superheroes in ... Justice League," Thompson wrote. "That movie > will likely not be shot, however, until after the [writers'] strike is > resolved." > > Thompson also reported details of the upcoming The Dark Knight, > Christopher Nolan's sequel to his Batman Begins. Warner Brothers is > hoping Nolan returns for a third installment, Thompson wrote. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
[scifinoir2] Singer Won't Do Next Superman?
Singer Won't Do Next Superman? http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=46890 Variety columnist Anne Thompson reported that it is "highly unlikely" that Superman Returns helmer Bryan Singer will return to shoot the next Superman movie. Singer is finishing up Tom Cruise's Nazi film Valkyrie and prepping The Mayor of Castro Street. "The next Superman we will see on the big screen will not be [Superman Returns star] Brandon Routh, but a younger Superman among a cast of youthful superheroes in ... Justice League," Thompson wrote. "That movie will likely not be shot, however, until after the [writers'] strike is resolved." Thompson also reported details of the upcoming The Dark Knight, Christopher Nolan's sequel to his Batman Begins. Warner Brothers is hoping Nolan returns for a third installment, Thompson wrote. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
