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Tracey, I can't find a single person who watches SF on TV who'll admit to viewing Sanctuary. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : RE: [scifinoir2] Re: How Did The Fall Scifi TV Shows Fare? Date : Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:27:46 -0700 From : Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sanctuary sucks, but based on ratings it is kicking ass for Scfi Channel. I think its rating exceeds its lead in and eve3n Galactica. Go figure -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of B. Smith Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 6:23 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: How Did The Fall Scifi TV Shows Fare? No rhyme or reason at all for her ratings and she's a bit biased. How does Sanctuary get an A for anything? I'm surprised Heroes is tanking this year. It's actually interesting despite some X-Men-ish family melodrama. Papa Petrelli is a far scarier bid bad than Adam was last year, Mohinder has actually turned into a credible old school science based villain and the Sylar revelations have been fun. If only Peter and Claire got rid of their terminal stupidity. Oh well. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, you know that I already lambasted Knight Rider, so am surprised it did well enough to be picked up. ( I swear the original was better). Valentine was on my hit list too, not at all surprised it's tanking. I haven't watched The Mentalist yet; guess I kept thinking of it as a serious version of Psych. But i've heard good things so will check it out if I get time. I'm surprised Eleventh Hour is doing as well. It's really just another procedural show with a mystery to solve, and starring a quirky lead doctor/scientist. It's like House on the road, or, a more grounded version of the out there science on Fringe, another solve-the- problem-of-the-week show with a quirky lead. Eleventh Hour is okay, but not a must see. I record it and watch Life on Mars instead. Life on Mars is at least entertaining so far. Not sure where it'll go. It's the kind of show that to me would realistically only stay fresh for one, possibly two, seasons. It has good actors, a good look, and actually decent plots. I'd give it a solid B, not sure where in the world they came up with a D rating. Ditto for My Own Worst Enemy. If I can quit worrying about the *why* of creating this split personality (for security I guess, but it's still a stretch), I can enjoy Slater as an actor. Still, you wonder who long the theme of each side recording messages to update the other side can last. A B- to me right now, again, due to good actors and at least interesting plots. But an F--what's the criterion this lady's using, her own tastes, or simply rating based on viewership? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella How Did The Fall TV Shows Fare? As the fall TV season hits its stride, the winners and losers have emerged, and it's a bloodbath out there. Ratings in general are horrible, and the major networks are still reeling from last year's writers' strike and a splintered viewership. Three series have already been pulled from the airwaves, including CBS' The Ex List. Herewith, the first of two SCI FI Wire assessments of how new and returning SFamp;F shows made the grade, in descending order. Today, we look at the new shows. Tomorrow, returning series. (In the past if a TV series was on one of the four big broadcast networks, it needed to bring in 10 million viewers or so to prove it was worthy. For The CW, the number was lower, and 3 million viewers did the trick. Oh, how things have changed!) The Mentalist (CBS) Premiered with 15.55 million viewers. Last week, 15.29 million viewers. OK, he's a fake psychic, and it's not really science fiction, but we'll claim any show that does this well. It's the only certified hit for the new season, drawing great numbers against Fox's Fringe. Beyond that, it manages to keep 90 percent of its viewers from lead-in NCIS. That sounds like a match made in TV heaven. Grade: A+ Sanctuary (SCI FI) Premiered with 3 million viewers. Television's first mostly virtual series kicked off great, and it looks like a worthy successor to exiting SCI FI Friday shows Stargate Atlantis and Battlestar Galactica. Grade: A Eleventh Hour (CBS) Premiered with 11.59 million viewers. Last week, 12.16 million viewers. Not a hit, this show can't keep up with its lead-in C.S.I.'s big numbers. But it has built its audience and consistently does well against NBC's ER and ABC's Life on Mars. Whether or not the series will stay on Thursdays or be swapped with Tuesday's Without A Trace remains to be seen, but in this ratings environment those numbers look good. Grade: B+ Fringe (Fox) Premiered with 9 million viewers. Last week, 9.11 million viewers. This show had the most hype
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I've actually watched every episode. I'm gonna give it a couple of more shots and then I'm done. I know I'm a tard. I know it's bad. I keep going back anyway. Apparently, being TV absent for a decade plus makes you uberdumb. Bosco --- On Thu, 10/30/08, Martin Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Martin Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: How Did The Fall Scifi TV Shows Fare? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 10:05 AM Tracey, I can't find a single person who watches SF on TV who'll admit to viewing Sanctuary. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : RE: [scifinoir2] Re: How Did The Fall Scifi TV Shows Fare? Date : Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:27:46 -0700 From : Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sanctuary sucks, but based on ratings it is kicking ass for Scfi Channel. I think its rating exceeds its lead in and eve3n Galactica. Go figure -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of B. Smith Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 6:23 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: How Did The Fall Scifi TV Shows Fare? No rhyme or reason at all for her ratings and she's a bit biased. How does Sanctuary get an A for anything? I'm surprised Heroes is tanking this year. It's actually interesting despite some X-Men-ish family melodrama. Papa Petrelli is a far scarier bid bad than Adam was last year, Mohinder has actually turned into a credible old school science based villain and the Sylar revelations have been fun. If only Peter and Claire got rid of their terminal stupidity. Oh well. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, you know that I already lambasted Knight Rider, so am surprised it did well enough to be picked up. ( I swear the original was better). Valentine was on my hit list too, not at all surprised it's tanking. I haven't watched The Mentalist yet; guess I kept thinking of it as a serious version of Psych. But i've heard good things so will check it out if I get time. I'm surprised Eleventh Hour is doing as well. It's really just another procedural show with a mystery to solve, and starring a quirky lead doctor/scientist. It's like House on the road, or, a more grounded version of the out there science on Fringe, another solve-the- problem-of-the-week show with a quirky lead. Eleventh Hour is okay, but not a must see. I record it and watch Life on Mars instead. Life on Mars is at least entertaining so far. Not sure where it'll go. It's the kind of show that to me would realistically only stay fresh for one, possibly two, seasons. It has good actors, a good look, and actually decent plots. I'd give it a solid B, not sure where in the world they came up with a D rating. Ditto for My Own Worst Enemy. If I can quit worrying about the *why* of creating this split personality (for security I guess, but it's still a stretch), I can enjoy Slater as an actor. Still, you wonder who long the theme of each side recording messages to update the other side can last. A B- to me right now, again, due to good actors and at least interesting plots. But an F--what's the criterion this lady's using, her own tastes, or simply rating based on viewership? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella How Did The Fall TV Shows Fare? As the fall TV season hits its stride, the winners and losers have emerged, and it's a bloodbath out there. Ratings in general are horrible, and the major networks are still reeling from last year's writers' strike and a splintered viewership. Three series have already been pulled from the airwaves, including CBS' The Ex List. Herewith, the first of two SCI FI Wire assessments of how new and returning SFamp;F shows made the grade, in descending order. Today, we look at the new shows. Tomorrow, returning series. (In the past if a TV series was on one of the four big broadcast networks, it needed to bring in 10 million viewers or so to prove it was worthy. For The CW, the number was lower, and 3 million viewers did the trick. Oh, how things have changed!) The Mentalist (CBS) Premiered with 15.55 million viewers. Last week, 15.29 million viewers. OK, he's a fake psychic, and it's not really science fiction, but we'll claim any show that does this well. It's the only certified hit for the new season, drawing great numbers against Fox's Fringe. Beyond that, it manages to keep 90 percent of its viewers from lead-in NCIS. That sounds like a match made in TV heaven. Grade: A+ Sanctuary (SCI FI) Premiered with 3 million viewers. Television's first mostly virtual series kicked off great, and it looks like a worthy successor to exiting SCI FI Friday shows Stargate Atlantis and Battlestar Galactica. Grade: A Eleventh Hour (CBS) Premiered with 11.59 million viewers. Last week, 12.16 million viewers
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I think you're getting it spot on. Heroes is the new X-Men. It has almost all the same flaws, but it also has sort of the same high points. One of the good and bad things about Heroes is that I do feel like I'm reading the series. I happen to like reading comics, so I'm good with the experience. but I wonder what it's like for folks who don't like to read comics because of the format and pacing. On Oct 29, 2008, at 9:22 AM, B. Smith wrote: No rhyme or reason at all for her ratings and she's a bit biased. How does Sanctuary get an A for anything? I'm surprised Heroes is tanking this year. It's actually interesting despite some X-Men-ish family melodrama. Papa Petrelli is a far scarier bid bad than Adam was last year, Mohinder has actually turned into a credible old school science based villain and the Sylar revelations have been fun. If only Peter and Claire got rid of their terminal stupidity. Oh well. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, you know that I already lambasted Knight Rider, so am surprised it did well enough to be picked up. ( I swear the original was better). Valentine was on my hit list too, not at all surprised it's tanking. I haven't watched The Mentalist yet; guess I kept thinking of it as a serious version of Psych. But i've heard good things so will check it out if I get time. I'm surprised Eleventh Hour is doing as well. It's really just another procedural show with a mystery to solve, and starring a quirky lead doctor/scientist. It's like House on the road, or, a more grounded version of the out there science on Fringe, another solve-the- problem-of-the-week show with a quirky lead. Eleventh Hour is okay, but not a must see. I record it and watch Life on Mars instead. Life on Mars is at least entertaining so far. Not sure where it'll go. It's the kind of show that to me would realistically only stay fresh for one, possibly two, seasons. It has good actors, a good look, and actually decent plots. I'd give it a solid B, not sure where in the world they came up with a D rating. Ditto for My Own Worst Enemy. If I can quit worrying about the *why* of creating this split personality (for security I guess, but it's still a stretch), I can enjoy Slater as an actor. Still, you wonder who long the theme of each side recording messages to update the other side can last. A B- to me right now, again, due to good actors and at least interesting plots. But an F--what's the criterion this lady's using, her own tastes, or simply rating based on viewership? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] How Did The Fall TV Shows Fare? As the fall TV season hits its stride, the winners and losers have emerged, and it's a bloodbath out there. Ratings in general are horrible, and the major networks are still reeling from last year's writers' strike and a splintered viewership. Three series have already been pulled from the airwaves, including CBS' The Ex List. Herewith, the first of two SCI FI Wire assessments of how new and returning SFF shows made the grade, in descending order. Today, we look at the new shows. Tomorrow, returning series. (In the past if a TV series was on one of the four big broadcast networks, it needed to bring in 10 million viewers or so to prove it was worthy. For The CW, the number was lower, and 3 million viewers did the trick. Oh, how things have changed!) The Mentalist (CBS) Premiered with 15.55 million viewers. Last week, 15.29 million viewers. OK, he's a fake psychic, and it's not really science fiction, but we'll claim any show that does this well. It's the only certified hit for the new season, drawing great numbers against Fox's Fringe. Beyond that, it manages to keep 90 percent of its viewers from lead-in NCIS. That sounds like a match made in TV heaven. Grade: A+ Sanctuary (SCI FI) Premiered with 3 million viewers. Television's first mostly virtual series kicked off great, and it looks like a worthy successor to exiting SCI FI Friday shows Stargate Atlantis and Battlestar Galactica. Grade: A Eleventh Hour (CBS) Premiered with 11.59 million viewers. Last week, 12.16 million viewers. Not a hit, this show can't keep up with its lead-in C.S.I.'s big numbers. But it has built its audience and consistently does well against NBC's ER and ABC's Life on Mars. Whether or not the series will stay on Thursdays or be swapped with Tuesday's Without A Trace remains to be seen, but in this ratings environment those numbers look good. Grade: B+ Fringe (Fox) Premiered with 9 million viewers. Last week, 9.11 million viewers. This show had the most hype heading into the fall season, so the ratings have been a bit of a disappointment. Still, considering the implosion of Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles and some of Fox's other shows, 9 million+ viewers seems pretty good. Grade: B Knight Rider (NBC) Premiered with 7.3 million viewers. Last week, 7.23 million viewers.
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Yeah, I left out Sanctuary. It's just an okay show. Last weeks--about the illusion-casting Yeti that was attacking the survivors of a plane wreck--was the best so far. Of course, they killed off the only Brother... But still, the show feels limited to me. One, i really hate the computer game CGI effects in the backgrounds of the Sanctuary. It's obvious when the people are working against a green screen where the effects will be added later. Who told SciFi that the theme of a CGI-heavy show on the Web--where it at least makes a certain kind of sense and has a novelty--is good for television, where we're used to better? Note those drab backgrounds. There's a lack of life and vitality that bothers me. Many videogames have a limited cast because of all the resources involved including them in the CGI scenes and such, and Sanctuary gives me that same limited film. If they can get out of the Sanctuary more often and interact with the real world, instead of hanging against that color-challenged fake one, I might like it more. -- Original message -- From: B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] No rhyme or reason at all for her ratings and she's a bit biased. How does Sanctuary get an A for anything? I'm surprised Heroes is tanking this year. It's actually interesting despite some X-Men-ish family melodrama. Papa Petrelli is a far scarier bid bad than Adam was last year, Mohinder has actually turned into a credible old school science based villain and the Sylar revelations have been fun. If only Peter and Claire got rid of their terminal stupidity. Oh well. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, you know that I already lambasted Knight Rider, so am surprised it did well enough to be picked up. ( I swear the original was better). Valentine was on my hit list too, not at all surprised it's tanking. I haven't watched The Mentalist yet; guess I kept thinking of it as a serious version of Psych. But i've heard good things so will check it out if I get time. I'm surprised Eleventh Hour is doing as well. It's really just another procedural show with a mystery to solve, and starring a quirky lead doctor/scientist. It's like House on the road, or, a more grounded version of the out there science on Fringe, another solve-the- problem-of-the-week show with a quirky lead. Eleventh Hour is okay, but not a must see. I record it and watch Life on Mars instead. Life on Mars is at least entertaining so far. Not sure where it'll go. It's the kind of show that to me would realistically only stay fresh for one, possibly two, seasons. It has good actors, a good look, and actually decent plots. I'd give it a solid B, not sure where in the world they came up with a D rating. Ditto for My Own Worst Enemy. If I can quit worrying about the *why* of creating this split personality (for security I guess, but it's still a stretch), I can enjoy Slater as an actor. Still, you wonder who long the theme of each side recording messages to update the other side can last. A B- to me right now, again, due to good actors and at least interesting plots. But an F--what's the criterion this lady's using, her own tastes, or simply rating based on viewership? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] How Did The Fall TV Shows Fare? As the fall TV season hits its stride, the winners and losers have emerged, and it's a bloodbath out there. Ratings in general are horrible, and the major networks are still reeling from last year's writers' strike and a splintered viewership. Three series have already been pulled from the airwaves, including CBS' The Ex List. Herewith, the first of two SCI FI Wire assessments of how new and returning SFF shows made the grade, in descending order. Today, we look at the new shows. Tomorrow, returning series. (In the past if a TV series was on one of the four big broadcast networks, it needed to bring in 10 million viewers or so to prove it was worthy. For The CW, the number was lower, and 3 million viewers did the trick. Oh, how things have changed!) The Mentalist (CBS) Premiered with 15.55 million viewers. Last week, 15.29 million viewers. OK, he's a fake psychic, and it's not really science fiction, but we'll claim any show that does this well. It's the only certified hit for the new season, drawing great numbers against Fox's Fringe. Beyond that, it manages to keep 90 percent of its viewers from lead-in NCIS. That sounds like a match made in TV heaven. Grade: A+ Sanctuary (SCI FI) Premiered with 3 million viewers. Television's first mostly virtual series kicked off great, and it looks like a worthy successor to exiting SCI FI Friday shows Stargate Atlantis and Battlestar Galactica. Grade: A Eleventh Hour (CBS) Premiered with 11.59 million viewers. Last week, 12.16 million viewers. Not a hit, this show can't keep up with its lead-in
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I think the real failing of this show is the flatness of the characters. I don't like or care about any of them. By three or four episodes, the characters should have some depth. The only show on TV with flatter characters is the Terminator: The Sarah Conner Chronicles. I keep watching both in hopes that they would get better but they don't. Bosco --- On Wed, 10/29/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: How Did The Fall Scifi TV Shows Fare? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 9:05 AM Yeah, I left out Sanctuary. It's just an okay show. Last weeks--about the illusion-casting Yeti that was attacking the survivors of a plane wreck--was the best so far. Of course, they killed off the only Brother... But still, the show feels limited to me. One, i really hate the computer game CGI effects in the backgrounds of the Sanctuary. It's obvious when the people are working against a green screen where the effects will be added later. Who told SciFi that the theme of a CGI-heavy show on the Web--where it at least makes a certain kind of sense and has a novelty--is good for television, where we're used to better? Note those drab backgrounds. There's a lack of life and vitality that bothers me. Many videogames have a limited cast because of all the resources involved including them in the CGI scenes and such, and Sanctuary gives me that same limited film. If they can get out of the Sanctuary more often and interact with the real world, instead of hanging against that color-challenged fake one, I might like it more. -- Original message -- From: B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] com No rhyme or reason at all for her ratings and she's a bit biased. How does Sanctuary get an A for anything? I'm surprised Heroes is tanking this year. It's actually interesting despite some X-Men-ish family melodrama. Papa Petrelli is a far scarier bid bad than Adam was last year, Mohinder has actually turned into a credible old school science based villain and the Sylar revelations have been fun. If only Peter and Claire got rid of their terminal stupidity. Oh well. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, KeithBJohnson@ ... wrote: Well, you know that I already lambasted Knight Rider, so am surprised it did well enough to be picked up. ( I swear the original was better). Valentine was on my hit list too, not at all surprised it's tanking. I haven't watched The Mentalist yet; guess I kept thinking of it as a serious version of Psych. But i've heard BRgood things so will check it out if I get time. I'm surprised Eleventh Hour is doing as well. It's really just another procedural show with a mystery to solve, and starring a quirky lead doctor/scientist. It's like House on the road, or, a more grounded version of the out there science on Fringe, another solve-the- problem-of-the- week show with a quirky lead. Eleventh Hour is okay, but not a must see. I record it and watch Life on Mars instead. Life on Mars is at least entertaining so far. Not sure where it'll go. It's the kind of show that to me would realistically only stay fresh for one, possibly two, seasons. It has good actors, a good look, and actually decent plots. I'd give it a solid B, not sure where in the world they came up with a D rating. Ditto for My Own Worst Enemy. If I can quit worrying about the *why* of creating this split personality (for security I guess, but it's still a s tretch), I can enjoy Slater as an actor. Still, you wonder who long the theme of each side recording messages to update the other side can last. A B- to me right now, again, due to good actors and at least interesting plots. But an F--what's the criterion this lady's using, her own tastes, or simply rating based on viewership? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] How Did The Fall TV Shows Fare? As the fall TV season hits its stride, the winners and losers have emerged, and it's a bloodbath out there. Ratings in general are horrible, and the major networks are still reeling from last year's writers' strike and a splintered viewership. Three series have already been pulled from the airwaves, including CBS' The Ex List. Herewith, the first of two SCI FI Wire assessments of how new and returning SFF shows made the grade, in descending order. Today, we look at the new shows. Tomorrow, returning series. (In the past if a TV series was on one of the four big broadcast networks, it needed to bring in 10 million viewers or so to prove it was worthy. For The CW, the number was lower, and 3 million viewers did the trick. Oh, how things have changed!) The Mentalist (CBS) Premiered with 15.55 million viewers. Last week, 15.29 million viewers. OK, he's a fake psychic, and it's not really science fiction, but we'll claim
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You're right. The characters are as dull and lifeless as the CGI. Amada Tapping's British accent is distracting, the young pscyhoanalyst dude is like an even more nebbish version of Daniel Jackson. With Michael Shanks, at least, you could always tell the actor was being held back to play down to Daniel's role of bespectacled nerd, but the guy in Sanctuary is just boring. The most enjoyable character is Tapping's butt-kicking daughter, and she's nothing spectacular. She's just the only one with any *life* to her. Why don't you like the characters on Sarah Conner Chronicles? -- Original message -- From: Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think the real failing of this show is the flatness of the characters. I don't like or care about any of them. By three or four episodes, the characters should have some depth. The only show on TV with flatter characters is the Terminator: The Sarah Conner Chronicles. I keep watching both in hopes that they would get better but they don't. Bosco --- On Wed, 10/29/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: How Did The Fall Scifi TV Shows Fare? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 9:05 AM Yeah, I left out Sanctuary. It's just an okay show. Last weeks--about the illusion-casting Yeti that was attacking the survivors of a plane wreck--was the best so far. Of course, they killed off the only Brother... But still, the show feels limited to me. One, i really hate the computer game CGI effects in the backgrounds of the Sanctuary. It's obvious when the people are working against a green screen where the effects will be added later. Who told SciFi that the theme of a CGI-heavy show on the Web--where it at least makes a certain kind of sense and has a novelty--is good for television, where we're used to better? Note those drab backgrounds. There's a lack of life and vitality that bothers me. Many videogames have a limited cast because of all the resources involved including them in the CGI scenes and such, and Sanctuary gives me that same limited film. If they can get out of the Sanctuary more often and interact with the real world, instead of hanging against that color-challenged fake one, I might like it more. -- Original message -- From: B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] com No rhyme or reason at all for her ratings and she's a bit biased. How does Sanctuary get an A for anything? I'm surprised Heroes is tanking this year. It's actually interesting despite some X-Men-ish family melodrama. Papa Petrelli is a far scarier bid bad than Adam was last year, Mohinder has actually turned into a credible old school science based villain and the Sylar revelations have been fun. If only Peter and Claire got rid of their terminal stupidity. Oh well. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, KeithBJohnson@ ... wrote: Well, you know that I already lambasted Knight Rider, so am surprised it did well enough to be picked up. ( I swear the original was better). Valentine was on my hit list too, not at all surprised it's tanking. I haven't watched The Mentalist yet; guess I kept thinking of it as a serious version of Psych. But i've heard BRgood things so will check it out if I get time. I'm surprised Eleventh Hour is doing as well. It's really just another procedural show with a mystery to solve, and starring a quirky lead doctor/scientist. It's like House on the road, or, a more grounded version of the out there science on Fringe, another solve-the- problem-of-the- week show with a quirky lead. Eleventh Hour is okay, but not a must see. I record it and watch Life on Mars instead. Life on Mars is at least entertaining so far. Not sure where it'll go. It's the kind of show that to me would realistically only stay fresh for one, possibly two, seasons. It has good actors, a good look, and actually decent plots. I'd give it a solid B, not sure where in the world they came up with a D rating. Ditto for My Own Worst Enemy. If I can quit worrying about the *why* of creating this split personality (for security I guess, but it's still a s tretch), I can enjoy Slater as an actor. Still, you wonder who long the theme of each side recording messages to update the other side can last. A B- to me right now, again, due to good actors and at least interesting plots. But an F--what's the criterion this lady's using, her own tastes, or simply rating based on viewership? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] How Did The Fall TV Shows Fare? As the fall TV season hits its stride, the winners and losers have emerged, and it's a bloodbath out there. Ratings in general are horrible, and the major networks are still reeling from last year's writers' strike and a splintered viewership. Three series have already been pulled from the airwaves
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It's not that I don't like the characters on Sarah Conner, it's just that they're one dimensional most of the time. There is so much possibility for these characters and primarily the writers do very little with them. There's so much room for emotional range and humor in that show and they tend to only focus on a small handful of emotions. Summer Glau is dangerously underdeveloped in that role. However, I do keep watching and hoping. It's not terrible, but it's certainly not what it could be either. Bosco --- On Wed, 10/29/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: How Did The Fall Scifi TV Shows Fare? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 9:38 AM You're right. The characters are as dull and lifeless as the CGI. Amada Tapping's British accent is distracting, the young pscyhoanalyst dude is like an even more nebbish version of Daniel Jackson. With Michael Shanks, at least, you could always tell the actor was being held back to play down to Daniel's role of bespectacled nerd, but the guy in Sanctuary is just boring. The most enjoyable character is Tapping's butt-kicking daughter, and she's nothing spectacular. She's just the only one with any *life* to her. Why don't you like the characters on Sarah Conner Chronicles? -- Original message -- From: Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] com I think the real failing of this show is the flatness of the characters. I don't like or care about any of them. By three or four episodes, the characters should have some depth. The only show on TV with flatter characters is the Terminator: The Sarah Conner Chronicles. I keep watching both in hopes that they would get better but they don't. Bosco --- On Wed, 10/29/08, KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net wrote: From: KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: How Did The Fall Scifi TV Shows Fare? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 9:05 AM Yeah, I left out Sanctuary. It's just an okay show. Last weeks--about the illusion-casting Yeti that was attacking the survivors of a plane wreck--was the best so far. Of course, they killed off the only Brother... But still, the show feels limited to me. One, i really hate the computer game CGI effects in the backgrounds of the Sanctuary. It's obvious when the people are working against a green screen where the effects will be added later. Who told SciFi that the theme of a CGI-heavy show on the Web--where it at least makes a certain kind of sense and has a novelty--is good for television, where we're used to better? Note those drab backgrounds. There's a lack of life and vitality that bothers me. Many videogames have a limited cast because of all the resources involved including them in the CGI scenes and such, and Sanctuary gives me that same limited film. If they can get out of the Sanctuary more often and interact with the real world, instead of hanging against that color-challenged fake one, I might like it more. -- Original message -- From: B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] com No rhyme or reason at all for her ratings and she's a bit biased. How does Sanctuary get an A for anything? I'm surprised Heroes is tanking this year. It's actually interesting despite some X-Men-ish family melodrama. Papa Petrelli is a far scarier bid bad than Adam was last year, Mohinder has actually turned into a credible old school science based villain and the Sylar revelations have been fun. If only Peter and Claire got rid of their terminal stupidity. Oh well. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, KeithBJohnson@ ... wrote: Well, you know that I already lambasted Knight Rider, so am surprised it did well enough to be picked up. ( I swear the original was better). Valentine was on my hit list too, not at all surprised it's tanking. I haven't watched The Mentalist yet; guess I kept thinking of it as a serious version of Psych . But i've heard BRgood things so will check it out if I get time. I'm surprised Eleventh Hour is doing as well. It's really just another procedural show with a mystery to solve, and starring a quirky lead doctor/scientist. It's like House on the road, or, a more grounded version of the out there science on Fringe, another solve-the- problem-of-the- week show with a quirky lead. Eleventh Hour is okay, but not a must see. I record it and watch Life on Mars instead. Life on Mars is at least entertaining so far. Not sure where it'll go. It's the kind of show that to me would realistically only stay fresh for one, possibly two, seasons. It has good actors, a good look, and actually decent plots. I'd give it a solid B, not sure where in the world they came up with a D rating. Ditto for My Own Worst Enemy. If I can quit worrying about the *why* of creating
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Bosco, into that, this. This is Fox of which we speak. Good material tends to slip by them. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: How Did The Fall Scifi TV Shows Fare? Date : Wed, 29 Oct 2008 07:52:14 -0700 (PDT) From : Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com It's not that I don't like the characters on Sarah Conner, it's just that they're one dimensional most of the time. There is so much possibility for these characters and primarily the writers do very little with them. There's so much room for emotional range and humor in that show and they tend to only focus on a small handful of emotions. Summer Glau is dangerously underdeveloped in that role. However, I do keep watching and hoping. It's not terrible, but it's certainly not what it could be either. Bosco --- On Wed, 10/29/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: How Did The Fall Scifi TV Shows Fare? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 9:38 AM You're right. The characters are as dull and lifeless as the CGI. Amada Tapping's British accent is distracting, the young pscyhoanalyst dude is like an even more nebbish version of Daniel Jackson. With Michael Shanks, at least, you could always tell the actor was being held back to play down to Daniel's role of bespectacled nerd, but the guy in Sanctuary is just boring. The most enjoyable character is Tapping's butt-kicking daughter, and she's nothing spectacular. She's just the only one with any *life* to her. Why don't you like the characters on Sarah Conner Chronicles? -- Original message -- From: Bosco Bosco I think the real failing of this show is the flatness of the characters. I don't like or care about any of them. By three or four episodes, the characters should have some depth. The only show on TV with flatter characters is the Terminator: The Sarah Conner Chronicles. I keep watching both in hopes that they would get better but they don't. Bosco --- On Wed, 10/29/08, KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net wrote: From: KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: How Did The Fall Scifi TV Shows Fare? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 9:05 AM Yeah, I left out Sanctuary. It's just an okay show. Last weeks--about the illusion-casting Yeti that was attacking the survivors of a plane wreck--was the best so far. Of course, they killed off the only Brother... But still, the show feels limited to me. One, i really hate the computer game CGI effects in the backgrounds of the Sanctuary. It's obvious when the people are working against a green screen where the effects will be added later. Who told SciFi that the theme of a CGI-heavy show on the Web--where it at least makes a certain kind of sense and has a novelty--is good for television, where we're used to better? Note those drab backgrounds. There's a lack of life and vitality that bothers me. Many videogames have a limited cast because of all the resources involved including them in the CGI scenes and such, and Sanctuary gives me that same limited film. If they can get out of the Sanctuary more often and interact with the real world, instead of hanging against that color-challenged fake one, I might like it more. -- Original message -- From: B. Smith No rhyme or reason at all for her ratings and she's a bit biased. How does Sanctuary get an A for anything? I'm surprised Heroes is tanking this year. It's actually interesting despite some X-Men-ish family melodrama. Papa Petrelli is a far scarier bid bad than Adam was last year, Mohinder has actually turned into a credible old school science based villain and the Sylar revelations have been fun. If only Peter and Claire got rid of their terminal stupidity. Oh well. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, KeithBJohnson@ ... wrote: Well, you know that I already lambasted Knight Rider, so am surprised it did well enough to be picked up. ( I swear the original was better). Valentine was on my hit list too, not at all surprised it's tanking. I haven't watched The Mentalist yet; guess I kept thinking of it as a serious version of Psych . But i've heard BRgood things so will check it out if I get time. I'm surprised Eleventh Hour is doing as well. It's really just another procedural show with a mystery to solve, and starring a quirky lead doctor/scientist. It's like House on the road, or, a more grounded version of the out there science on Fringe, another solve-the- problem-of-the- week show with a quirky lead. Eleventh Hour is okay, but not a must see. I record it and watch Life on Mars instead. Life on Mars is at least entertaining so far. Not sure where it'll go. It's the kind of show that to me would realistically only stay fresh for one, possibly two, seasons. It has good actors, a good look
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I agree with you regarding Heroes. I love this year's villain. Robert Forrester is such an underappreciated actor. I hope his performance on Heroes changes that. The changes to Sylar and Mohinder are wonderful. I loved tortured good guys In fact, Quinto played such a good Sylar, that I was having trouble seeing him as Spock. Now, I am better able to separate him as playing two characters. Regarding Peter and Clair, as the Hiro to the stupidity list. I think the ratings are down because of sustained loss of momentum a full year. After a first season in which most viewers were kept happy with what was done overall with the characters and storyline, there was a BIG second season let down that caused and actual backlash. While I am enjoying this season, I do not see myself ever becoming as dedicated a fan as I was in first season. I wonder if fans, myself included, have an unconscious bias against it as a result of them presenting us with such an abysmal second season, following such a promising first season -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of B. Smith Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 6:23 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: How Did The Fall Scifi TV Shows Fare? No rhyme or reason at all for her ratings and she's a bit biased. How does Sanctuary get an A for anything? I'm surprised Heroes is tanking this year. It's actually interesting despite some X-Men-ish family melodrama. Papa Petrelli is a far scarier bid bad than Adam was last year, Mohinder has actually turned into a credible old school science based villain and the Sylar revelations have been fun. If only Peter and Claire got rid of their terminal stupidity. Oh well. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, you know that I already lambasted Knight Rider, so am surprised it did well enough to be picked up. ( I swear the original was better). Valentine was on my hit list too, not at all surprised it's tanking. I haven't watched The Mentalist yet; guess I kept thinking of it as a serious version of Psych. But i've heard good things so will check it out if I get time. I'm surprised Eleventh Hour is doing as well. It's really just another procedural show with a mystery to solve, and starring a quirky lead doctor/scientist. It's like House on the road, or, a more grounded version of the out there science on Fringe, another solve-the- problem-of-the-week show with a quirky lead. Eleventh Hour is okay, but not a must see. I record it and watch Life on Mars instead. Life on Mars is at least entertaining so far. Not sure where it'll go. It's the kind of show that to me would realistically only stay fresh for one, possibly two, seasons. It has good actors, a good look, and actually decent plots. I'd give it a solid B, not sure where in the world they came up with a D rating. Ditto for My Own Worst Enemy. If I can quit worrying about the *why* of creating this split personality (for security I guess, but it's still a stretch), I can enjoy Slater as an actor. Still, you wonder who long the theme of each side recording messages to update the other side can last. A B- to me right now, again, due to good actors and at least interesting plots. But an F--what's the criterion this lady's using, her own tastes, or simply rating based on viewership? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] How Did The Fall TV Shows Fare? As the fall TV season hits its stride, the winners and losers have emerged, and it's a bloodbath out there. Ratings in general are horrible, and the major networks are still reeling from last year's writers' strike and a splintered viewership. Three series have already been pulled from the airwaves, including CBS' The Ex List. Herewith, the first of two SCI FI Wire assessments of how new and returning SFF shows made the grade, in descending order. Today, we look at the new shows. Tomorrow, returning series. (In the past if a TV series was on one of the four big broadcast networks, it needed to bring in 10 million viewers or so to prove it was worthy. For The CW, the number was lower, and 3 million viewers did the trick. Oh, how things have changed!) The Mentalist (CBS) Premiered with 15.55 million viewers. Last week, 15.29 million viewers. OK, he's a fake psychic, and it's not really science fiction, but we'll claim any show that does this well. It's the only certified hit for the new season, drawing great numbers against Fox's Fringe. Beyond that, it manages to keep 90 percent of its viewers from lead-in NCIS. That sounds like a match made in TV heaven. Grade: A+ Sanctuary (SCI FI) Premiered with 3 million viewers. Television's first mostly virtual series kicked off great, and it looks like a worthy successor to exiting SCI FI Friday shows Stargate Atlantis and Battlestar Galactica. Grade
