RE: [scifinoir2] Re: TV Shows We Wish Would Swap Writing Staffs

2009-08-27 Thread Tracey de Morsella
Agreed about Jada.  The writing on her show is so hackneyed.  I feel like
I'm watching Dr. Welby MD or Medical Center, from the seventies

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Two times on the Dollhouse Torchwood swap.  Off the scifinoir tip, I
would love to see what Jada Pinkett could do with the scripts Nurse Jackie
gets.

~rave!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote:

 
 TV http://io9.com/5345549/tv-shows-we-wish-would-swap-writing-staffs
 Shows We Wish Would Swap Writing Staffs
 
 
 By Charlie Jane http://io9.com/people/charliejane/posts/  Anders, 5:07
 http://io9.com/5345549/tv-shows-we-wish-would-swap-writing-staffs  PM
 
  
 
 We don't just love television for the special effects or crackerjack
acting,
 but for the writing. That's where our heroes get their cool lines and
 defining moments. And sometimes we wonder: what'd happen if our fave shows
 swapped writing staffs?
 
 That's right - it's just like wife swappers, except it's writer swappers!
So
 put the keys to the writers' room in a bowl, and let's get swinging...
 
 
 Lost and Supernatural
 
 
 In some ways these shows are opposites, even though they have so much in
 common - they both have long, pull-your-hair-out plots and complex
 characters who stray to the dark side regularly.
 
 But Supernatural keeps it lean and mean - you pretty much just have the
 Winchester brothers, and one to four supporting castmembers at any given
 time. And Supernatural's big mysteries are relatively few, and relatively
 straightforward: What did the yellow-eyed demon want with baby Sam? What
 does Ruby want with grown-up Sam? Why did the angels pull Dean out of
Hell?
 And we get answers to those questions on a regular basis. What's complex
on
 Supernatural is the tangled theology of the Angel/Demon war. And few
 relationships on television are as barbed and complex as the troubled love
 between the two brothers.
 
 Lost, meanwhile, thrives on complexity - there are easily two dozen
 characters you're supposed to be keeping track of at any given moment, and
 oftentimes, they all seem to be equally important. The show's creators
have
 already told viewers not to expect answers to all the show's mysteries -
You
 have to piece things together on your own, or just accept that some things
 are not knowable. Meanwhile, the show gives us characters whose family
 relationships are mostly dismal (except Hurley's, oddly) and whose
 relationships with each other are frequently defined somewhat
 straightforwardly by rivalry, love triangles, or unrequited love.
 
 So we'd love to see the writers change places for a bit - the Supernatural
 writers could bring a bit of immediacy to Lost's slow-boiling storylines,
 and also show us a bit more of how all these people stuck on an island
 together have become each other's family, and have grown to love each
other
 even as they piss each other off.
 
 And the Lost writers could give us a world of spirits and monsters that's
 foggier, and weirder, than Supernatural has ever quite given us. Imagine
 Supernatural with more weird clues, and more of a sense that there's a
 massive chess game going on in which the Winchester brothers are just
pawns.
 It could be quite a ride.
 
 
 Dollhouse and Torchwood
 
 
 These two shows both unkinked our brains, in different ways, last month.
We
 finally got to see Dollhouse's unaired season finale, in which some
 brilliant new adaptations to the Dollhouse's business model end up
 destroying civilizaton itself. And Torchwood served up the shocking,
twisted
 Children Of Earth miniseries, in which we find out just how valuable our
 children really are - and just how dark Captain Jack is prepared to get.
 
 These shows both operate in murky waters, with heroes who have huge dark
 sides and make difficult (and frequently wrong) choices. They're the dark
 side of escapism, showing how becoming part of a secret world of amazing
 tech and cool fantasies can be dreadful as well as wonderful. But
Dollhouse
 is a good deal nastier than Torchwood, giving us a for-profit venture that
 is bent on making people's dreams come true - but only at the expense of
its
 employees' personhood. Torchwood, meanwhile, is about people who
actually
 do try to save the world - but often as not, they make things worse.
 

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/io9/2009/08/dollhousetorchwood.jpg

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/8/2009/08/500x_dollhousetorchwood.jpg
 
 So what would happen if Russell T. Davies and his gang started writing
 Dollhouse, and Joss and friends moved to Cardiff?
 
 Well, for starters, Dollhouse would get a lot sexier. The relationship
 between Boyd and Whiskey/Claire Saunders would probably heat up quite a
bit.
 (And the already-homoerotic 

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: TV Shows We Wish Would Swap Writing Staffs

2009-08-27 Thread Martin Baxter

A secretly cross-dressing Emperor Palpitine... a special ep featuring A Day in 
the Life of a Clone Trooper... Yoda and Master Windu having a night on the 
town in Coruscant... sells itself.

Martin (lamenting ownership of a soul, else he'd be on the phone with Messr 
Lucas right now)

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:42:17 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: TV Shows We Wish Would Swap Writing Staffs















 





  Oh!  That is wicked good!



~rave!



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 And I'll personally bank two seasons of Clone Wars as written by Hammer and 
 Publick.

 

 If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
 hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

 

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

 

 

 

 

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 From: tdli...@...

 Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 23:53:44 -0700

 Subject: [scifinoir2] TV Shows We Wish Would Swap Writing Staffs

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  

 

 

 

 

 

   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 TV

 Shows We Wish Would Swap Writing Staffs

 

 By Charlie Jane

 Anders, 5:07

 PM

 

  

 

 We don't just love television for the special effects or crackerjack acting,

 but for the writing. That's where our heroes get their cool lines and defining

 moments. And sometimes we wonder: what'd happen if our fave shows swapped

 writing staffs?

 

 

 That's right — it's just like wife swappers, except it's writer

 swappers! So put the keys to the writers' room in a bowl, and let's get

 swinging...

 

 

 Lost and Supernatural

 

 In some ways these shows are opposites, even though they have so much in

 common — they both have long, pull-your-hair-out plots and complex

 characters who stray to the dark side regularly.

 

 

 But Supernatural keeps it lean and mean — you pretty much

 just have the Winchester brothers, and one to four supporting castmembers at

 any given time. And Supernatural's big mysteries are relatively few,

 and relatively straightforward: What did the yellow-eyed demon want with baby

 Sam? What does Ruby want with grown-up Sam? Why did the angels pull Dean out 
 of

 Hell? And we get answers to those questions on a regular basis. What's complex

 on Supernatural is the tangled theology of the Angel/Demon war. And

 few relationships on television are as barbed and complex as the troubled love

 between the two brothers.

 

 

 Lost, meanwhile, thrives on complexity — there are easily two

 dozen characters you're supposed to be keeping track of at any given moment,

 and oftentimes, they all seem to be equally important. The show's creators 
 have

 already told viewers not to expect answers to all the show's mysteries —

 You have to piece things together on your own, or just accept that some things

 are not knowable. Meanwhile, the show gives us characters whose family

 relationships are mostly dismal (except Hurley's, oddly) and whose

 relationships with each other are frequently defined somewhat 
 straightforwardly

 by rivalry, love triangles, or unrequited love.

 

 

 So we'd love to see the writers change places for a bit — the Supernatural

 writers could bring a bit of immediacy to Lost's slow-boiling

 storylines, and also show us a bit more of how all these people stuck on an

 island together have become each other's family, and have grown to love each

 other even as they piss each other off.

 

 

 And the Lost writers could give us a world of spirits and monsters

 that's foggier, and weirder, than Supernatural has ever quite given

 us. Imagine Supernatural with more weird clues, and more of a sense

 that there's a massive chess game going on in which the Winchester brothers 
 are

 just pawns. It could be quite a ride.

 

 

 Dollhouse and Torchwood

 

 These two shows both unkinked our brains, in different ways, last month. We

 finally got to see Dollhouse's unaired season finale, in which some

 brilliant new adaptations to the Dollhouse's business model end up destroying

 civilizaton itself. And Torchwood served up the shocking, twisted

 Children Of Earth miniseries, in which we find out just how

 valuable our children really are — and just how dark Captain Jack is

 prepared to get.

 

 

 These shows both operate in murky waters, with heroes who have huge dark

 sides and make difficult (and frequently wrong) choices. They're the dark side

 of escapism, showing how becoming part of a secret world of amazing tech and

 cool fantasies can be dreadful as well as wonderful. But Dollhouse is

 a good deal nastier than Torchwood, giving us a for-profit venture

 that is bent on making