RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again
Hope I've got that much in the tank at his age... If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 05:05:52 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again The funniest thing? A few years ago, Kirk Douglas, frailer, speech slurring due to his unfortunate stroke, was asked about Michael's marriage to Zeta-Jones. With that characteristic wink and gleam in his eye--undimmed despite the stroke--he says I told Michael, if I were 20 years younger, I'd have given him a run for his money for Catherine! I had to chuckle, but one also remembers that Kirk was a notorious philanderer for years. Kinda sad that old age and a near-death experience had to settle him down enough so his longsuffering wife could finally enjoy him. Still, gotta laugh at the old fart's pluck! - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 3:47:19 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again I recall spending many an hour wondering what he had to draw her in, ended up assessing it as his star power more than anything else. All of my lady friends say that he's long past his prime. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 05:20:28 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again i remember her from the first Zorro movie, and wouldn't call her curvy--not on level even of Kate Winslet or something. But she's a beautiful woman--i literally caught my breath when she appeared on screen for the first time in Zorro. Still can't believe she got with that old fart Douglas! :) - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 4:45:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again Keith, Zeta *was* curvy, back in the day. She's lost a lot of that, primarily because she was stalked for several years, went through horrible stress. She's still in seculsion, to a degree. In her commercials for that telephone company (can't recall which one), she's not even there. She's green-screened in. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 04:55:52 + Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again Related to the conversation where I'd noted the Brits seem to use more women with real shapes (at least in Dr. Who). Although, even here i see perceptions have changed. I mean, in what universe is Catherine Zeta-Jones considered curvy? She's beautiful, but I'd call her slim at best. A related article I read was talking about something called the waist-to-hip ratio, which supposedly measures a woman's curves. It claimed a WTH of 0.7 indicated a perfect figure. Then, however, the article said that women with that perfect figure included Selma Hayek, Jessica Alba, and Audrey Hepburn? Huh? Hayek's got the curves, sho' 'nuff. Alba ain't anything close to what i'd consider curvacious. Fit, but not Coke-bottle curvy. And Hepburn?? My goodness, on this scale, the likes of Pam Grier, Kenya Moore, Nichele Nichols, and other classic voluptuous sisters would be considered overweight! So much of this conversation on beauty frankly ignores whole groups of people. I rarely see African American or Latina women talked about as the standards, unless it's something stupid like last year's fixation on Michele Obama's arms. At any rate, I hope this is a trend reversing, and more women the world over realize that being anorexic-looking isn't a standard of beauty worth worth obtaining. *** British women 'want to be curvy not thin' (AFP) – Jul 22, 2009 LONDON — British women hanker after a curvy hourglass body shape rather than trying to be ultra slim, preferring Kate Winslet to Kate Moss, according to a poll published Wednesday. Sixty percent admitted to being either an apple or pear shape, but 75 percent said
RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again
I recall spending many an hour wondering what he had to draw her in, ended up assessing it as his star power more than anything else. All of my lady friends say that he's long past his prime. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 05:20:28 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again i remember her from the first Zorro movie, and wouldn't call her curvy--not on level even of Kate Winslet or something. But she's a beautiful woman--i literally caught my breath when she appeared on screen for the first time in Zorro. Still can't believe she got with that old fart Douglas! :) - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 4:45:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again Keith, Zeta *was* curvy, back in the day. She's lost a lot of that, primarily because she was stalked for several years, went through horrible stress. She's still in seculsion, to a degree. In her commercials for that telephone company (can't recall which one), she's not even there. She's green-screened in. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 04:55:52 + Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again Related to the conversation where I'd noted the Brits seem to use more women with real shapes (at least in Dr. Who). Although, even here i see perceptions have changed. I mean, in what universe is Catherine Zeta-Jones considered curvy? She's beautiful, but I'd call her slim at best. A related article I read was talking about something called the waist-to-hip ratio, which supposedly measures a woman's curves. It claimed a WTH of 0.7 indicated a perfect figure. Then, however, the article said that women with that perfect figure included Selma Hayek, Jessica Alba, and Audrey Hepburn? Huh? Hayek's got the curves, sho' 'nuff. Alba ain't anything close to what i'd consider curvacious. Fit, but not Coke-bottle curvy. And Hepburn?? My goodness, on this scale, the likes of Pam Grier, Kenya Moore, Nichele Nichols, and other classic voluptuous sisters would be considered overweight! So much of this conversation on beauty frankly ignores whole groups of people. I rarely see African American or Latina women talked about as the standards, unless it's something stupid like last year's fixation on Michele Obama's arms. At any rate, I hope this is a trend reversing, and more women the world over realize that being anorexic-looking isn't a standard of beauty worth worth obtaining. *** British women 'want to be curvy not thin' (AFP) – Jul 22, 2009 LONDON — British women hanker after a curvy hourglass body shape rather than trying to be ultra slim, preferring Kate Winslet to Kate Moss, according to a poll published Wednesday. Sixty percent admitted to being either an apple or pear shape, but 75 percent said they wanted a figure like Catherine Zeta-Jones or Marilyn Monroe, against only 10 percent who wanted to squeeze into a slim size 10 dress. The findings reflect changing attitudes in Britain -- where obesity is a growing problem -- among women tired of the so-called Size Zero culture long fuelled by advertising and the fashion industry. The report shows that women's attitudes to slimming over the last 50 years have changed with their figures, said Laura Bryant of the food company which commissioned the poll of 2,000 women. It seems British women have lost their waists but now they are demanding them back. And she added: They are more concerned about getting a curvy hourglass shape like their grandmothers instead of being the perfect size 10 which shows a marked shift in attitude from the 80s and 90s, when success and failure when slimming was benchmarked against fitting into certain sized clothes. A top-10 list of female celebrities whose shape inspired women was topped by buxom TV cook Nigella Lawson and actresses Helen Mirren, Judy Dench, and Joanna Lumley. The findings might raise eyebrows in neighbouring France, which has the highest proportion of clinically underweight women in Europe, according to a study published in April. Only half of those French women think they are thin, said the study, noting that in Britain, Spain
RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again
Margaret Ray, she was. One ape-sh*t chick, lemme tell ya. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:58:49 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again That is a part of the realities of Hollywood. They don't really talk about as much. It is a lot easier for people to stalk other people now especially if they stalkee is a celeb. Even David Letterman had a stalker, and he's not a handsome guy. A woman was living in his summer house for months and convinced the town where the house is located that she was his wife. Multiple times... On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 2:11 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I never knew that. Is that why we never see her in that many movies anymore? From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 1:45 PM To: SciFiNoir2 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again Keith, Zeta *was* curvy, back in the day. She's lost a lot of that, primarily because she was stalked for several years, went through horrible stress. She's still in seculsion, to a degree. In her commercials for that telephone company (can't recall which one), she's not even there. She's green-screened in. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 04:55:52 + Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again Related to the conversation where I'd noted the Brits seem to use more women with real shapes (at least in Dr. Who). Although, even here i see perceptions have changed. I mean, in what universe is Catherine Zeta-Jones considered curvy? She's beautiful, but I'd call her slim at best. A related article I read was talking about something called the waist-to-hip ratio, which supposedly measures a woman's curves. It claimed a WTH of 0.7 indicated a perfect figure. Then, however, the article said that women with that perfect figure included Selma Hayek, Jessica Alba, and Audrey Hepburn? Huh? Hayek's got the curves, sho' 'nuff. Alba ain't anything close to what i'd consider curvacious. Fit, but not Coke-bottle curvy. And Hepburn?? My goodness, on this scale, the likes of Pam Grier, Kenya Moore, Nichele Nichols, and other classic voluptuous sisters would be considered overweight! So much of this conversation on beauty frankly ignores whole groups of people. I rarely see African American or Latina women talked about as the standards, unless it's something stupid like last year's fixation on Michele Obama's arms. At any rate, I hope this is a trend reversing, and more women the world over realize that being anorexic-looking isn't a standard of beauty worth worth obtaining. *** British women 'want to be curvy not thin' (AFP) – Jul 22, 2009 LONDON — British women hanker after a curvy hourglass body shape rather than trying to be ultra slim, preferring Kate Winslet to Kate Moss, according to a poll published Wednesday. Sixty percent admitted to being either an apple or pear shape, but 75 percent said they wanted a figure like Catherine Zeta-Jones or Marilyn Monroe, against only 10 percent who wanted to squeeze into a slim size 10 dress. The findings reflect changing attitudes in Britain -- where obesity is a growing problem -- among women tired of the so-called Size Zero culture long fuelled by advertising and the fashion industry. The report shows that women's attitudes to slimming over the last 50 years have changed with their figures, said Laura Bryant of the food company which commissioned the poll of 2,000 women. It seems British women have lost their waists but now they are demanding them back. And she added: They are more concerned about getting a curvy hourglass shape like their grandmothers instead of being the perfect size 10 which shows a marked shift in attitude from the 80s and 90s, when success and failure when slimming was benchmarked against fitting into certain sized clothes. A top-10 list of female celebrities whose shape inspired women was topped by buxom TV cook Nigella Lawson and actresses Helen Mirren, Judy Dench, and Joanna Lumley. The findings might raise eyebrows in neighbouring France, which has the highest proportion of clinically underweight women in Europe, according to a study published in April. Only half of those French women
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again
The funniest thing? A few years ago, Kirk Douglas, frailer, speech slurring due to his unfortunate stroke, was asked about Michael's marriage to Zeta-Jones. With that characteristic wink and gleam in his eye--undimmed despite the stroke--he says I told Michael, if I were 20 years younger, I'd have given him a run for his money for Catherine! I had to chuckle, but one also remembers that Kirk was a notorious philanderer for years. Kinda sad that old age and a near-death experience had to settle him down enough so his longsuffering wife could finally enjoy him. Still, gotta laugh at the old fart's pluck! - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 3:47:19 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again I recall spending many an hour wondering what he had to draw her in, ended up assessing it as his star power more than anything else. All of my lady friends say that he's long past his prime. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 05:20:28 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again i remember her from the first Zorro movie, and wouldn't call her curvy--not on level even of Kate Winslet or something. But she's a beautiful woman--i literally caught my breath when she appeared on screen for the first time in Zorro. Still can't believe she got with that old fart Douglas! :) - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 4:45:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again Keith, Zeta *was* curvy, back in the day. She's lost a lot of that, primarily because she was stalked for several years, went through horrible stress. She's still in seculsion, to a degree. In her commercials for that telephone company (can't recall which one), she's not even there. She's green-screened in. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 04:55:52 + Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again Related to the conversation where I'd noted the Brits seem to use more women with real shapes (at least in Dr. Who). Although, even here i see perceptions have changed. I mean, in what universe is Catherine Zeta-Jones considered curvy? She's beautiful, but I'd call her slim at best. A related article I read was talking about something called the waist-to-hip ratio, which supposedly measures a woman's curves. It claimed a WTH of 0.7 indicated a perfect figure. Then, however, the article said that women with that perfect figure included Selma Hayek, Jessica Alba, and Audrey Hepburn? Huh? Hayek's got the curves, sho' 'nuff. Alba ain't anything close to what i'd consider curvacious. Fit, but not Coke-bottle curvy. And Hepburn?? My goodness, on this scale, the likes of Pam Grier, Kenya Moore, Nichele Nichols, and other classic voluptuous sisters would be considered overweight! So much of this conversation on beauty frankly ignores whole groups of people. I rarely see African American or Latina women talked about as the standards, unless it's something stupid like last year's fixation on Michele Obama's arms. At any rate, I hope this is a trend reversing, and more women the world over realize that being anorexic-looking isn't a standard of beauty worth worth obtaining. *** British women 'want to be curvy not thin' (AFP) – Jul 22, 2009 LONDON — British women hanker after a curvy hourglass body shape rather than trying to be ultra slim, preferring Kate Winslet to Kate Moss, according to a poll published Wednesday. Sixty percent admitted to being either an apple or pear shape, but 75 percent said they wanted a figure like Catherine Zeta-Jones or Marilyn Monroe, against only 10 percent who wanted to squeeze into a slim size 10 dress. The findings reflect changing attitudes in Britain -- where obesity is a growing problem -- among women tired of the so-called Size Zero culture long fuelled by advertising and the fashion industry. The report shows that women's attitudes to slimming over the last 50 years have changed with their figures, said Laura Bryant of the food company which commissioned the poll of 2,000 women. It seems British women have lost their waists but now
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That's why they invented viagra. On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 9:05 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: The funniest thing? A few years ago, Kirk Douglas, frailer, speech slurring due to his unfortunate stroke, was asked about Michael's marriage to Zeta-Jones. With that characteristic wink and gleam in his eye--undimmed despite the stroke--he says I told Michael, if I were 20 years younger, I'd have given him a run for his money for Catherine! I had to chuckle, but one also remembers that Kirk was a notorious philanderer for years. Kinda sad that old age and a near-death experience had to settle him down enough so his longsuffering wife could finally enjoy him. Still, gotta laugh at the old fart's pluck! - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 3:47:19 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again I recall spending many an hour wondering what he had to draw her in, ended up assessing it as his star power more than anything else. All of my lady friends say that he's long past his prime. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 05:20:28 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again i remember her from the first Zorro movie, and wouldn't call her curvy--not on level even of Kate Winslet or something. But she's a beautiful woman--i literally caught my breath when she appeared on screen for the first time in Zorro. Still can't believe she got with that old fart Douglas! :) - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 4:45:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again Keith, Zeta *was* curvy, back in the day. She's lost a lot of that, primarily because she was stalked for several years, went through horrible stress. She's still in seculsion, to a degree. In her commercials for that telephone company (can't recall which one), she's not even there. She's green-screened in. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 04:55:52 + Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again Related to the conversation where I'd noted the Brits seem to use more women with real shapes (at least in Dr. Who). Although, even here i see perceptions have changed. I mean, in what universe is Catherine Zeta-Jones considered curvy? She's beautiful, but I'd call her slim at best. A related article I read was talking about something called the waist-to-hip ratio, which supposedly measures a woman's curves. It claimed a WTH of 0.7 indicated a perfect figure. Then, however, the article said that women with that perfect figure included Selma Hayek, Jessica Alba, and Audrey Hepburn? Huh? Hayek's got the curves, sho' 'nuff. Alba ain't anything close to what i'd consider curvacious. Fit, but not Coke-bottle curvy. And Hepburn?? My goodness, on this scale, the likes of Pam Grier, Kenya Moore, Nichele Nichols, and other classic voluptuous sisters would be considered overweight! So much of this conversation on beauty frankly ignores whole groups of people. I rarely see African American or Latina women talked about as the standards, unless it's something stupid like last year's fixation on Michele Obama's arms. At any rate, I hope this is a trend reversing, and more women the world over realize that being anorexic-looking isn't a standard of beauty worth worth obtaining. *** British women 'want to be curvy not thin' (AFP) – Jul 22, 2009 LONDON — British women hanker after a curvy hourglass body shape rather than trying to be ultra slim, preferring Kate Winslet to Kate Moss, according to a poll published Wednesday. Sixty percent admitted to being either an apple or pear shape, but 75 percent said they wanted a figure like Catherine Zeta-Jones or Marilyn Monroe, against only 10 percent who wanted to squeeze into a slim size 10 dress. The findings reflect changing attitudes in Britain -- where obesity is a growing problem -- among women tired of the so-called Size Zero culture long fuelled by advertising and the fashion industry. The report shows that women's attitudes to slimming over the last 50 years
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Ha! - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:17:20 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again Picking chin up off of my keyboard On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 8:55 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Related to the conversation where I'd noted the Brits seem to use more women with real shapes (at least in Dr. Who). Although, even here i see perceptions have changed. I mean, in what universe is Catherine Zeta-Jones considered curvy? She's beautiful, but I'd call her slim at best. A related article I read was talking about something called the waist-to-hip ratio, which supposedly measures a woman's curves. It claimed a WTH of 0.7 indicated a perfect figure. Then, however, the article said that women with that perfect figure included Selma Hayek, Jessica Alba, and Audrey Hepburn? Huh? Hayek's got the curves, sho' 'nuff. Alba ain't anything close to what i'd consider curvacious. Fit, but not Coke-bottle curvy. And Hepburn?? My goodness, on this scale, the likes of Pam Grier, Kenya Moore, Nichele Nichols, and other classic voluptuous sisters would be considered overweight! So much of this conversation on beauty frankly ignores whole groups of people. I rarely see African American or Latina women talked about as the standards, unless it's something stupid like last year's fixation on Michele Obama's arms. At any rate, I hope this is a trend reversing, and more women the world over realize that being anorexic-looking isn't a standard of beauty worth worth obtaining. *** British women 'want to be curvy not thin' (AFP) – Jul 22, 2009 LONDON — British women hanker after a curvy hourglass body shape rather than trying to be ultra slim, preferring Kate Winslet to Kate Moss, according to a poll published Wednesday. Sixty percent admitted to being either an apple or pear shape, but 75 percent said they wanted a figure like Catherine Zeta-Jones or Marilyn Monroe, against only 10 percent who wanted to squeeze into a slim size 10 dress. The findings reflect changing attitudes in Britain -- where obesity is a growing problem -- among women tired of the so-called Size Zero culture long fuelled by advertising and the fashion industry. The report shows that women's attitudes to slimming over the last 50 years have changed with their figures, said Laura Bryant of the food company which commissioned the poll of 2,000 women. It seems British women have lost their waists but now they are demanding them back. And she added: They are more concerned about getting a curvy hourglass shape like their grandmothers instead of being the perfect size 10 which shows a marked shift in attitude from the 80s and 90s, when success and failure when slimming was benchmarked against fitting into certain sized clothes. A top-10 list of female celebrities whose shape inspired women was topped by buxom TV cook Nigella Lawson and actresses Helen Mirren, Judy Dench, and Joanna Lumley. The findings might raise eyebrows in neighbouring France, which has the highest proportion of clinically underweight women in Europe, according to a study published in April. Only half of those French women think they are thin, said the study, noting that in Britain, Spain and Portugal, the number of women who see themselves as seriously skinny easily outstrips the number who actually are. A study last December found that one in three adults in England will be obese by the time London hosts the 2012 Olympics. Between 1993 and 2004 the proportion of obese people rose significantly, from almost 13.6 percent to 24 percent among men and from almost 17 percent to 24.4 percent among women, according to University College London researchers. -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
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I have trouble thinking of Kenya Moore and Selma Hayek as thick, but I hear you. To me, Jennifer Hudson is thick--and luscious! - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie astromancer2...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:57:35 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again I agree, Keith...what was called curvy, voluptuous, and sexy in the 50's, 60's, and 70's they now call thick... However, regardless of what we see or hear on tv, 'thick' women are very much preferred on the streets...no matter what race, creed or color men are... Such music flows on the Fringe and no one can resist singing to Scarlet From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, January 13, 2010 10:55:52 PM Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again Related to the conversation where I'd noted the Brits seem to use more women with real shapes (at least in Dr. Who). Although, even here i see perceptions have changed. I mean, in what universe is Catherine Zeta-Jones considered curvy? She's beautiful, but I'd call her slim at best. A related article I read was talking about something called the waist-to-hip ratio, which supposedly measures a woman's curves. It claimed a WTH of 0.7 indicated a perfect figure. Then, however, the article said that women with that perfect figure included Selma Hayek, Jessica Alba, and Audrey Hepburn? Huh? Hayek's got the curves, sho' 'nuff. Alba ain't anything close to what i'd consider curvacious. Fit, but not Coke-bottle curvy. And Hepburn?? My goodness, on this scale, the likes of Pam Grier, Kenya Moore, Nichele Nichols, and other classic voluptuous sisters would be considered overweight! So much of this conversation on beauty frankly ignores whole groups of people. I rarely see African American or Latina women talked about as the standards, unless it's something stupid like last year's fixation on Michele Obama's arms. At any rate, I hope this is a trend reversing, and more women the world over realize that being anorexic-looking isn't a standard of beauty worth worth obtaining. * * * * * * * British women 'want to be curvy not thin' (AFP) – Jul 22, 2009 LONDON — British women hanker after a curvy hourglass body shape rather than trying to be ultra slim, preferring Kate Winslet to Kate Moss, according to a poll published Wednesday. Sixty percent admitted to being either an apple or pear shape, but 75 percent said they wanted a figure like Catherine Zeta-Jones or Marilyn Monroe, against only 10 percent who wanted to squeeze into a slim size 10 dress. The findings reflect changing attitudes in Britain -- where obesity is a growing problem -- among women tired of the so-called Size Zero culture long fuelled by advertising and the fashion industry. The report shows that women's attitudes to slimming over the last 50 years have changed with their figures, said Laura Bryant of the food company which commissioned the poll of 2,000 women. It seems British women have lost their waists but now they are demanding them back. And she added: They are more concerned about getting a curvy hourglass shape like their grandmothers instead of being the perfect size 10 which shows a marked shift in attitude from the 80s and 90s, when success and failure when slimming was benchmarked against fitting into certain sized clothes. A top-10 list of female celebrities whose shape inspired women was topped by buxom TV cook Nigella Lawson and actresses Helen Mirren, Judy Dench, and Joanna Lumley. The findings might raise eyebrows in neighbouring France, which has the highest proportion of clinically underweight women in Europe, according to a study published in April. Only half of those French women think they are thin, said the study, noting that in Britain, Spain and Portugal, the number of women who see themselves as seriously skinny easily outstrips the number who actually are. A study last December found that one in three adults in England will be obese by the time London hosts the 2012 Olympics. Between 1993 and 2004 the proportion of obese people rose significantly , from almost 13.6 percent to 24 percent among men and from almost 17 percent to 24.4 percent among women, according to University College London researchers.
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Tracey, What's your thought on this? I'm fascinated by how perceptions of beauty change and are shaped. I honestly think there's a strong racial/ethnic component. For example, as Worf suggested, even now i see more Latino and Black men who prefer curvy or thick women. Brothers may think the likes of Zoe Saldana are pretty, but their heads really snap around when a Kenya Moore or a Jennifer Hudson strolls by. And I can't thnk of a single black man who thinks Jessica Simpson looked better when she slimmed down for Dukes of Hazzard, or that Scarlet Johannsen is too thick (as I read in more than one fashion mag). For Blacks, there are some obvious things, such as how black women tend to have butts and bigger legs by nature. But it's too simplistic to then say all white men like thin and shapeless women, or that white women are mostly thin, 'cause that's far from the truth. Indeed, the movie sirens of the 40s, 50s and 60--Monroe, Margaret, Welch, Taylor--were quite shapely. I see white women with killer curves every day here in Atlanta. Is it really the fashion and movie industries that push thin women so they look better in clothing? Is it the abundance of gay men in fashion (hope that's not an ignorant question). In places like France--where women are very thin in the main--what's the motivation? Is there some crazy notion that thin women represent someone who's higher class, more sytlish or more sophisticated? - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 1:18:13 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again That should be on a T-shirt J From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 10:03 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again I was having a conversation earlier tonight about this topic. There are some guys that only want super skinny women, but MEN want a curvy woman. :) On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 9:57 PM, C.W. Badie astromancer2...@yahoo.com wrote: I agree, Keith...what was called curvy, voluptuous, and sexy in the 50's, 60's, and 70's they now call thick... However, regardless of what we see or hear on tv, 'thick' women are very much preferred on the streets...no matter what race, creed or color men are... Such music flows on the Fringe and no one can resist singing to Scarlet From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, January 13, 2010 10:55:52 PM Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again Related to the conversation where I'd noted the Brits seem to use more women with real shapes (at least in Dr. Who). Although, even here i see perceptions have changed. I mean, in what universe is Catherine Zeta-Jones considered curvy? She's beautiful, but I'd call her slim at best. A related article I read was talking about something called the waist-to-hip ratio, which supposedly measures a woman's curves. It claimed a WTH of 0.7 indicated a perfect figure. Then, however, the article said that women with that perfect figure included Selma Hayek, Jessica Alba, and Audrey Hepburn? Huh? Hayek's got the curves, sho' 'nuff. Alba ain't anything close to what i'd consider curvacious. Fit, but not Coke-bottle curvy. And Hepburn?? My goodness, on this scale, the likes of Pam Grier, Kenya Moore, Nichele Nichols, and other classic voluptuous sisters would be considered overweight! So much of this conversation on beauty frankly ignores whole groups of people. I rarely see African American or Latina women talked about as the standards, unless it's something stupid like last year's fixation on Michele Obama's arms. At any rate, I hope this is a trend reversing, and more women the world over realize that being anorexic-looking isn't a standard of beauty worth worth obtaining. * * * * * * * British women 'want to be curvy not thin' (AFP) – Jul 22, 2009 LONDON — British women hanker after a curvy hourglass body shape rather than trying to be ultra slim, preferring Kate Winslet to Kate Moss, according to a poll published Wednesday. Sixty percent admitted to being either an apple or pear shape, but 75 percent said they wanted a figure like Catherine Zeta-Jones or Marilyn Monroe, against only 10 percent who wanted to squeeze into a slim size 10 dress. The findings reflect changing attitudes in Britain -- where obesity is a growing problem -- among women tired of the so-called Size Zero culture long fuelled by advertising and the fashion industry. The report shows that women's attitudes
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Mr Worf, I've even met guys who want their women super-skinny everywhere EXCEPT up top, and they want DD-class there. Sick, IMO. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:03:01 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again I was having a conversation earlier tonight about this topic. There are some guys that only want super skinny women, but MEN want a curvy woman. :) On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 9:57 PM, C.W. Badie astromancer2...@yahoo.com wrote: I agree, Keith...what was called curvy, voluptuous, and sexy in the 50's, 60's, and 70's they now call thick... However, regardless of what we see or hear on tv, 'thick' women are very much preferred on the streets...no matter what race, creed or color men are... Such music flows on the Fringe and no one can resist singing to Scarlet From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, January 13, 2010 10:55:52 PM Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again Related to the conversation where I'd noted the Brits seem to use more women with real shapes (at least in Dr. Who). Although, even here i see perceptions have changed. I mean, in what universe is Catherine Zeta-Jones considered curvy? She's beautiful, but I'd call her slim at best. A related article I read was talking about something called the waist-to-hip ratio, which supposedly measures a woman's curves. It claimed a WTH of 0.7 indicated a perfect figure. Then, however, the article said that women with that perfect figure included Selma Hayek, Jessica Alba, and Audrey Hepburn? Huh? Hayek's got the curves, sho' 'nuff. Alba ain't anything close to what i'd consider curvacious. Fit, but not Coke-bottle curvy. And Hepburn?? My goodness, on this scale, the likes of Pam Grier, Kenya Moore, Nichele Nichols, and other classic voluptuous sisters would be considered overweight! So much of this conversation on beauty frankly ignores whole groups of people. I rarely see African American or Latina women talked about as the standards, unless it's something stupid like last year's fixation on Michele Obama's arms. At any rate, I hope this is a trend reversing, and more women the world over realize that being anorexic-looking isn't a standard of beauty worth worth obtaining. * * * * * * * British women 'want to be curvy not thin' (AFP) – Jul 22, 2009 LONDON — British women hanker after a curvy hourglass body shape rather than trying to be ultra slim, preferring Kate Winslet to Kate Moss, according to a poll published Wednesday. Sixty percent admitted to being either an apple or pear shape, but 75 percent said they wanted a figure like Catherine Zeta-Jones or Marilyn Monroe, against only 10 percent who wanted to squeeze into a slim size 10 dress. The findings reflect changing attitudes in Britain -- where obesity is a growing problem -- among women tired of the so-called Size Zero culture long fuelled by advertising and the fashion industry. The report shows that women's attitudes to slimming over the last 50 years have changed with their figures, said Laura Bryant of the food company which commissioned the poll of 2,000 women. It seems British women have lost their waists but now they are demanding them back. And she added: They are more concerned about getting a curvy hourglass shape like their grandmothers instead of being the perfect size 10 which shows a marked shift in attitude from the 80s and 90s, when success and failure when slimming was benchmarked against fitting into certain sized clothes. A top-10 list of female celebrities whose shape inspired women was topped by buxom TV cook Nigella Lawson and actresses Helen Mirren, Judy Dench, and Joanna Lumley. The findings might raise eyebrows in neighbouring France, which has the highest proportion of clinically underweight women in Europe, according to a study published in April. Only half of those French women think they are thin, said the study, noting that in Britain, Spain and Portugal, the number of women who see themselves as seriously skinny easily outstrips the number who actually are. A study last December found that one in three adults in England will be obese by the time London hosts the 2012 Olympics. Between 1993 and 2004 the proportion of obese people rose significantly , from almost 13.6 percent to 24 percent among men and from almost 17 percent to 24.4 percent among women, according to University College London researchers
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Keith, Zeta *was* curvy, back in the day. She's lost a lot of that, primarily because she was stalked for several years, went through horrible stress. She's still in seculsion, to a degree. In her commercials for that telephone company (can't recall which one), she's not even there. She's green-screened in. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 04:55:52 + Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again Related to the conversation where I'd noted the Brits seem to use more women with real shapes (at least in Dr. Who). Although, even here i see perceptions have changed. I mean, in what universe is Catherine Zeta-Jones considered curvy? She's beautiful, but I'd call her slim at best. A related article I read was talking about something called the waist-to-hip ratio, which supposedly measures a woman's curves. It claimed a WTH of 0.7 indicated a perfect figure. Then, however, the article said that women with that perfect figure included Selma Hayek, Jessica Alba, and Audrey Hepburn? Huh? Hayek's got the curves, sho' 'nuff. Alba ain't anything close to what i'd consider curvacious. Fit, but not Coke-bottle curvy. And Hepburn?? My goodness, on this scale, the likes of Pam Grier, Kenya Moore, Nichele Nichols, and other classic voluptuous sisters would be considered overweight! So much of this conversation on beauty frankly ignores whole groups of people. I rarely see African American or Latina women talked about as the standards, unless it's something stupid like last year's fixation on Michele Obama's arms. At any rate, I hope this is a trend reversing, and more women the world over realize that being anorexic-looking isn't a standard of beauty worth worth obtaining. *** British women 'want to be curvy not thin' (AFP) – Jul 22, 2009 LONDON — British women hanker after a curvy hourglass body shape rather than trying to be ultra slim, preferring Kate Winslet to Kate Moss, according to a poll published Wednesday. Sixty percent admitted to being either an apple or pear shape, but 75 percent said they wanted a figure like Catherine Zeta-Jones or Marilyn Monroe, against only 10 percent who wanted to squeeze into a slim size 10 dress. The findings reflect changing attitudes in Britain -- where obesity is a growing problem -- among women tired of the so-called Size Zero culture long fuelled by advertising and the fashion industry. The report shows that women's attitudes to slimming over the last 50 years have changed with their figures, said Laura Bryant of the food company which commissioned the poll of 2,000 women. It seems British women have lost their waists but now they are demanding them back. And she added: They are more concerned about getting a curvy hourglass shape like their grandmothers instead of being the perfect size 10 which shows a marked shift in attitude from the 80s and 90s, when success and failure when slimming was benchmarked against fitting into certain sized clothes. A top-10 list of female celebrities whose shape inspired women was topped by buxom TV cook Nigella Lawson and actresses Helen Mirren, Judy Dench, and Joanna Lumley. The findings might raise eyebrows in neighbouring France, which has the highest proportion of clinically underweight women in Europe, according to a study published in April. Only half of those French women think they are thin, said the study, noting that in Britain, Spain and Portugal, the number of women who see themselves as seriously skinny easily outstrips the number who actually are. A study last December found that one in three adults in England will be obese by the time London hosts the 2012 Olympics. Between 1993 and 2004 the proportion of obese people rose significantly, from almost 13.6 percent to 24 percent among men and from almost 17 percent to 24.4 percent among women, according to University College London researchers. _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/
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I never knew that. Is that why we never see her in that many movies anymore? From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 1:45 PM To: SciFiNoir2 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again Keith, Zeta *was* curvy, back in the day. She's lost a lot of that, primarily because she was stalked for several years, went through horrible stress. She's still in seculsion, to a degree. In her commercials for that telephone company (can't recall which one), she's not even there. She's green-screened in. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik _ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 04:55:52 + Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again Related to the conversation where I'd noted the Brits seem to use more women with real shapes (at least in Dr. Who). Although, even here i see perceptions have changed. I mean, in what universe is Catherine Zeta-Jones considered curvy? She's beautiful, but I'd call her slim at best. A related article I read was talking about something called the waist-to-hip ratio, which supposedly measures a woman's curves. It claimed a WTH of 0.7 indicated a perfect figure. Then, however, the article said that women with that perfect figure included Selma Hayek, Jessica Alba, and Audrey Hepburn? Huh? Hayek's got the curves, sho' 'nuff. Alba ain't anything close to what i'd consider curvacious. Fit, but not Coke-bottle curvy. And Hepburn?? My goodness, on this scale, the likes of Pam Grier, Kenya Moore, Nichele Nichols, and other classic voluptuous sisters would be considered overweight! So much of this conversation on beauty frankly ignores whole groups of people. I rarely see African American or Latina women talked about as the standards, unless it's something stupid like last year's fixation on Michele Obama's arms. At any rate, I hope this is a trend reversing, and more women the world over realize that being anorexic-looking isn't a standard of beauty worth worth obtaining. *** British women 'want to be curvy not thin' (AFP) - Jul 22, 2009 LONDON - British women hanker after a curvy hourglass body shape rather than trying to be ultra slim, preferring Kate Winslet to Kate Moss, according to a poll published Wednesday. Sixty percent admitted to being either an apple or pear shape, but 75 percent said they wanted a figure like Catherine Zeta-Jones or Marilyn Monroe, against only 10 percent who wanted to squeeze into a slim size 10 dress. The findings reflect changing attitudes in Britain -- where obesity is a growing problem -- among women tired of the so-called Size Zero culture long fuelled by advertising and the fashion industry. The report shows that women's attitudes to slimming over the last 50 years have changed with their figures, said Laura Bryant of the food company which commissioned the poll of 2,000 women. It seems British women have lost their waists but now they are demanding them back. And she added: They are more concerned about getting a curvy hourglass shape like their grandmothers instead of being the perfect size 10 which shows a marked shift in attitude from the 80s and 90s, when success and failure when slimming was benchmarked against fitting into certain sized clothes. A top-10 list of female celebrities whose shape inspired women was topped by buxom TV cook Nigella Lawson and actresses Helen Mirren, Judy Dench, and Joanna Lumley. The findings might raise eyebrows in neighbouring France, which has the highest proportion of clinically underweight women in Europe, according to a study published in April. Only half of those French women think they are thin, said the study, noting that in Britain, Spain and Portugal, the number of women who see themselves as seriously skinny easily outstrips the number who actually are. A study last December found that one in three adults in England will be obese by the time London hosts the 2012 Olympics. Between 1993 and 2004 the proportion of obese people rose significantly, from almost 13.6 percent to 24 percent among men and from almost 17 percent to 24.4 percent among women, according to University College London researchers. _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/ now.
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Yes, Tracey. She's super-hermited these days. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 14:11:01 -0800 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again I never knew that. Is that why we never see her in that many movies anymore? From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 1:45 PM To: SciFiNoir2 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again Keith, Zeta *was* curvy, back in the day. She's lost a lot of that, primarily because she was stalked for several years, went through horrible stress. She's still in seculsion, to a degree. In her commercials for that telephone company (can't recall which one), she's not even there. She's green-screened in. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 04:55:52 + Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again Related to the conversation where I'd noted the Brits seem to use more women with real shapes (at least in Dr. Who). Although, even here i see perceptions have changed. I mean, in what universe is Catherine Zeta-Jones considered curvy? She's beautiful, but I'd call her slim at best. A related article I read was talking about something called the waist-to-hip ratio, which supposedly measures a woman's curves. It claimed a WTH of 0.7 indicated a perfect figure. Then, however, the article said that women with that perfect figure included Selma Hayek, Jessica Alba, and Audrey Hepburn? Huh? Hayek's got the curves, sho' 'nuff. Alba ain't anything close to what i'd consider curvacious. Fit, but not Coke-bottle curvy. And Hepburn?? My goodness, on this scale, the likes of Pam Grier, Kenya Moore, Nichele Nichols, and other classic voluptuous sisters would be considered overweight! So much of this conversation on beauty frankly ignores whole groups of people. I rarely see African American or Latina women talked about as the standards, unless it's something stupid like last year's fixation on Michele Obama's arms. At any rate, I hope this is a trend reversing, and more women the world over realize that being anorexic-looking isn't a standard of beauty worth worth obtaining. *** British women 'want to be curvy not thin' (AFP) – Jul 22, 2009 LONDON — British women hanker after a curvy hourglass body shape rather than trying to be ultra slim, preferring Kate Winslet to Kate Moss, according to a poll published Wednesday. Sixty percent admitted to being either an apple or pear shape, but 75 percent said they wanted a figure like Catherine Zeta-Jones or Marilyn Monroe, against only 10 percent who wanted to squeeze into a slim size 10 dress. The findings reflect changing attitudes in Britain -- where obesity is a growing problem -- among women tired of the so-called Size Zero culture long fuelled by advertising and the fashion industry. The report shows that women's attitudes to slimming over the last 50 years have changed with their figures, said Laura Bryant of the food company which commissioned the poll of 2,000 women. It seems British women have lost their waists but now they are demanding them back. And she added: They are more concerned about getting a curvy hourglass shape like their grandmothers instead of being the perfect size 10 which shows a marked shift in attitude from the 80s and 90s, when success and failure when slimming was benchmarked against fitting into certain sized clothes. A top-10 list of female celebrities whose shape inspired women was topped by buxom TV cook Nigella Lawson and actresses Helen Mirren, Judy Dench, and Joanna Lumley. The findings might raise eyebrows in neighbouring France, which has the highest proportion of clinically underweight women in Europe, according to a study published in April. Only half of those French women think they are thin, said the study, noting that in Britain, Spain and Portugal, the number of women who see themselves as seriously skinny easily outstrips the number who actually are. A study last December found that one in three adults in England will be obese by the time London hosts the 2012 Olympics. Between 1993 and 2004 the proportion of obese people rose significantly, from almost 13.6 percent to 24 percent among men and from almost 17 percent to 24.4 percent among women, according to University College London
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That is a part of the realities of Hollywood. They don't really talk about as much. It is a lot easier for people to stalk other people now especially if they stalkee is a celeb. Even David Letterman had a stalker, and he's not a handsome guy. A woman was living in his summer house for months and convinced the town where the house is located that she was his wife. Multiple times... On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 2:11 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I never knew that. Is that why we never see her in that many movies anymore? *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Martin Baxter *Sent:* Thursday, January 14, 2010 1:45 PM *To:* SciFiNoir2 *Subject:* RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again Keith, Zeta *was* curvy, back in the day. She's lost a lot of that, primarily because she was stalked for several years, went through horrible stress. She's still in seculsion, to a degree. In her commercials for that telephone company (can't recall which one), she's not even there. She's green-screened in. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 04:55:52 + Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again Related to the conversation where I'd noted the Brits seem to use more women with real shapes (at least in Dr. Who). Although, even here i see perceptions have changed. I mean, in what universe is Catherine Zeta-Jones considered curvy? She's beautiful, but I'd call her slim at best. A related article I read was talking about something called the waist-to-hip ratio, which supposedly measures a woman's curves. It claimed a WTH of 0.7 indicated a perfect figure. Then, however, the article said that women with that perfect figure included Selma Hayek, Jessica Alba, and Audrey Hepburn? Huh? Hayek's got the curves, sho' 'nuff. Alba ain't anything close to what i'd consider curvacious. Fit, but not Coke-bottle curvy. And Hepburn?? My goodness, on this scale, the likes of Pam Grier, Kenya Moore, Nichele Nichols, and other classic voluptuous sisters would be considered overweight! So much of this conversation on beauty frankly ignores whole groups of people. I rarely see African American or Latina women talked about as the standards, unless it's something stupid like last year's fixation on Michele Obama's arms. At any rate, I hope this is a trend reversing, and more women the world over realize that being anorexic-looking isn't a standard of beauty worth worth obtaining. *** British women 'want to be curvy not thin' (AFP) – Jul 22, 2009 LONDON — British women hanker after a curvy hourglass body shape rather than trying to be ultra slim, preferring Kate Winslet to Kate Moss, according to a poll published Wednesday. Sixty percent admitted to being either an apple or pear shape, but 75 percent said they wanted a figure like Catherine Zeta-Jones or Marilyn Monroe, against only 10 percent who wanted to squeeze into a slim size 10 dress. The findings reflect changing attitudes in Britain -- where obesity is a growing problem -- among women tired of the so-called Size Zero culture long fuelled by advertising and the fashion industry. The report shows that women's attitudes to slimming over the last 50 years have changed with their figures, said Laura Bryant of the food company which commissioned the poll of 2,000 women. It seems British women have lost their waists but now they are demanding them back. And she added: They are more concerned about getting a curvy hourglass shape like their grandmothers instead of being the perfect size 10 which shows a marked shift in attitude from the 80s and 90s, when success and failure when slimming was benchmarked against fitting into certain sized clothes. A top-10 list of female celebrities whose shape inspired women was topped by buxom TV cook Nigella Lawson and actresses Helen Mirren, Judy Dench, and Joanna Lumley. The findings might raise eyebrows in neighbouring France, which has the highest proportion of clinically underweight women in Europe, according to a study published in April. Only half of those French women think they are thin, said the study, noting that in Britain, Spain and Portugal, the number of women who see themselves as seriously skinny easily outstrips the number who actually are. A study last December found that one in three adults in England will be obese by the time London hosts the 2012 Olympics. Between 1993 and 2004 the proportion of obese people rose significantly, from almost 13.6 percent to 24 percent among men and from almost 17
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i remember her from the first Zorro movie, and wouldn't call her curvy--not on level even of Kate Winslet or something. But she's a beautiful woman--i literally caught my breath when she appeared on screen for the first time in Zorro. Still can't believe she got with that old fart Douglas! :) - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 4:45:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again Keith, Zeta *was* curvy, back in the day. She's lost a lot of that, primarily because she was stalked for several years, went through horrible stress. She's still in seculsion, to a degree. In her commercials for that telephone company (can't recall which one), she's not even there. She's green-screened in. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 04:55:52 + Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again Related to the conversation where I'd noted the Brits seem to use more women with real shapes (at least in Dr. Who). Although, even here i see perceptions have changed. I mean, in what universe is Catherine Zeta-Jones considered curvy? She's beautiful, but I'd call her slim at best. A related article I read was talking about something called the waist-to-hip ratio, which supposedly measures a woman's curves. It claimed a WTH of 0.7 indicated a perfect figure. Then, however, the article said that women with that perfect figure included Selma Hayek, Jessica Alba, and Audrey Hepburn? Huh? Hayek's got the curves, sho' 'nuff. Alba ain't anything close to what i'd consider curvacious. Fit, but not Coke-bottle curvy. And Hepburn?? My goodness, on this scale, the likes of Pam Grier, Kenya Moore, Nichele Nichols, and other classic voluptuous sisters would be considered overweight! So much of this conversation on beauty frankly ignores whole groups of people. I rarely see African American or Latina women talked about as the standards, unless it's something stupid like last year's fixation on Michele Obama's arms. At any rate, I hope this is a trend reversing, and more women the world over realize that being anorexic-looking isn't a standard of beauty worth worth obtaining. *** British women 'want to be curvy not thin' (AFP) – Jul 22, 2009 LONDON — British women hanker after a curvy hourglass body shape rather than trying to be ultra slim, preferring Kate Winslet to Kate Moss, according to a poll published Wednesday. Sixty percent admitted to being either an apple or pear shape, but 75 percent said they wanted a figure like Catherine Zeta-Jones or Marilyn Monroe, against only 10 percent who wanted to squeeze into a slim size 10 dress. The findings reflect changing attitudes in Britain -- where obesity is a growing problem -- among women tired of the so-called Size Zero culture long fuelled by advertising and the fashion industry. The report shows that women's attitudes to slimming over the last 50 years have changed with their figures, said Laura Bryant of the food company which commissioned the poll of 2,000 women. It seems British women have lost their waists but now they are demanding them back. And she added: They are more concerned about getting a curvy hourglass shape like their grandmothers instead of being the perfect size 10 which shows a marked shift in attitude from the 80s and 90s, when success and failure when slimming was benchmarked against fitting into certain sized clothes. A top-10 list of female celebrities whose shape inspired women was topped by buxom TV cook Nigella Lawson and actresses Helen Mirren, Judy Dench, and Joanna Lumley. The findings might raise eyebrows in neighbouring France, which has the highest proportion of clinically underweight women in Europe, according to a study published in April. Only half of those French women think they are thin, said the study, noting that in Britain, Spain and Portugal, the number of women who see themselves as seriously skinny easily outstrips the number who actually are. A study last December found that one in three adults in England will be obese by the time London hosts the 2012 Olympics. Between 1993 and 2004 the proportion of obese people rose significantly, from almost 13.6 percent to 24 percent among men and from almost 17 percent to 24.4 percent among women, according to University College London researchers. Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now.
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Picking chin up off of my keyboard On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 8:55 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: Related to the conversation where I'd noted the Brits seem to use more women with real shapes (at least in Dr. Who). Although, even here i see perceptions have changed. I mean, in what universe is Catherine Zeta-Jones considered curvy? She's beautiful, but I'd call her slim at best. A related article I read was talking about something called the waist-to-hip ratio, which supposedly measures a woman's curves. It claimed a WTH of 0.7 indicated a perfect figure. Then, however, the article said that women with that perfect figure included Selma Hayek, Jessica Alba, and Audrey Hepburn? Huh? Hayek's got the curves, sho' 'nuff. Alba ain't anything close to what i'd consider curvacious. Fit, but not Coke-bottle curvy. And Hepburn?? My goodness, on this scale, the likes of Pam Grier, Kenya Moore, Nichele Nichols, and other classic voluptuous sisters would be considered overweight! So much of this conversation on beauty frankly ignores whole groups of people. I rarely see African American or Latina women talked about as the standards, unless it's something stupid like last year's fixation on Michele Obama's arms. At any rate, I hope this is a trend reversing, and more women the world over realize that being anorexic-looking isn't a standard of beauty worth worth obtaining. *** British women 'want to be curvy not thin' (AFP) – Jul 22, 2009 LONDON — British women hanker after a curvy hourglass body shape rather than trying to be ultra slim, preferring Kate Winslet to Kate Moss, according to a poll published Wednesday. Sixty percent admitted to being either an apple or pear shape, but 75 percent said they wanted a figure like Catherine Zeta-Jones or Marilyn Monroe, against only 10 percent who wanted to squeeze into a slim size 10 dress. The findings reflect changing attitudes in Britain -- where obesity is a growing problem -- among women tired of the so-called Size Zero culture long fuelled by advertising and the fashion industry. The report shows that women's attitudes to slimming over the last 50 years have changed with their figures, said Laura Bryant of the food company which commissioned the poll of 2,000 women. It seems British women have lost their waists but now they are demanding them back. And she added: They are more concerned about getting a curvy hourglass shape like their grandmothers instead of being the perfect size 10 which shows a marked shift in attitude from the 80s and 90s, when success and failure when slimming was benchmarked against fitting into certain sized clothes. A top-10 list of female celebrities whose shape inspired women was topped by buxom TV cook Nigella Lawson and actresses Helen Mirren, Judy Dench, and Joanna Lumley. The findings might raise eyebrows in neighbouring France, which has the highest proportion of clinically underweight women in Europe, according to a study published in April. Only half of those French women think they are thin, said the study, noting that in Britain, Spain and Portugal, the number of women who see themselves as seriously skinny easily outstrips the number who actually are. A study last December found that one in three adults in England will be obese by the time London hosts the 2012 Olympics. Between 1993 and 2004 the proportion of obese people rose significantly, from almost 13.6 percent to 24 percent among men and from almost 17 percent to 24.4 percent among women, according to University College London researchers. -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
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I agree, Keith...what was called curvy, voluptuous, and sexy in the 50's, 60's, and 70's they now call thick... However, regardless of what we see or hear on tv, 'thick' women are very much preferred on the streets...no matter what race, creed or color men are... Such music flows on the Fringe and no one can resist singing to Scarlet From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, January 13, 2010 10:55:52 PM Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again Related to the conversation where I'd noted the Brits seem to use more women with real shapes (at least in Dr. Who). Although, even here i see perceptions have changed. I mean, in what universe is Catherine Zeta-Jones considered curvy? She's beautiful, but I'd call her slim at best. A related article I read was talking about something called the waist-to-hip ratio, which supposedly measures a woman's curves. It claimed a WTH of 0.7 indicated a perfect figure. Then, however, the article said that women with that perfect figure included Selma Hayek, Jessica Alba, and Audrey Hepburn? Huh? Hayek's got the curves, sho' 'nuff. Alba ain't anything close to what i'd consider curvacious. Fit, but not Coke-bottle curvy. And Hepburn?? My goodness, on this scale, the likes of Pam Grier, Kenya Moore, Nichele Nichols, and other classic voluptuous sisters would be considered overweight! So much of this conversation on beauty frankly ignores whole groups of people. I rarely see African American or Latina women talked about as the standards, unless it's something stupid like last year's fixation on Michele Obama's arms. At any rate, I hope this is a trend reversing, and more women the world over realize that being anorexic-looking isn't a standard of beauty worth worth obtaining. * * * * * * * British women 'want to be curvy not thin' (AFP) – Jul 22, 2009 LONDON — British women hanker after a curvy hourglass body shape rather than trying to be ultra slim, preferring Kate Winslet to Kate Moss, according to a poll published Wednesday. Sixty percent admitted to being either an apple or pear shape, but 75 percent said they wanted a figure like Catherine Zeta-Jones or Marilyn Monroe, against only 10 percent who wanted to squeeze into a slim size 10 dress. The findings reflect changing attitudes in Britain -- where obesity is a growing problem -- among women tired of the so-called Size Zero culture long fuelled by advertising and the fashion industry. The report shows that women's attitudes to slimming over the last 50 years have changed with their figures, said Laura Bryant of the food company which commissioned the poll of 2,000 women. It seems British women have lost their waists but now they are demanding them back. And she added: They are more concerned about getting a curvy hourglass shape like their grandmothers instead of being the perfect size 10 which shows a marked shift in attitude from the 80s and 90s, when success and failure when slimming was benchmarked against fitting into certain sized clothes. A top-10 list of female celebrities whose shape inspired women was topped by buxom TV cook Nigella Lawson and actresses Helen Mirren, Judy Dench, and Joanna Lumley. The findings might raise eyebrows in neighbouring France, which has the highest proportion of clinically underweight women in Europe, according to a study published in April. Only half of those French women think they are thin, said the study, noting that in Britain, Spain and Portugal, the number of women who see themselves as seriously skinny easily outstrips the number who actually are. A study last December found that one in three adults in England will be obese by the time London hosts the 2012 Olympics. Between 1993 and 2004 the proportion of obese people rose significantly , from almost 13.6 percent to 24 percent among men and from almost 17 percent to 24.4 percent among women, according to University College London researchers.
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I was having a conversation earlier tonight about this topic. There are some guys that only want super skinny women, but MEN want a curvy woman. :) On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 9:57 PM, C.W. Badie astromancer2...@yahoo.comwrote: I agree, Keith...what was called curvy, voluptuous, and sexy in the 50's, 60's, and 70's they now call thick... However, regardless of what we see or hear on tv, 'thick' women are very much preferred on the streets...no matter what race, creed or color men are... Such music flows on the Fringe and no one can resist singing to Scarlet From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie -- *From:* Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wed, January 13, 2010 10:55:52 PM *Subject:* [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again Related to the conversation where I'd noted the Brits seem to use more women with real shapes (at least in Dr. Who). Although, even here i see perceptions have changed. I mean, in what universe is Catherine Zeta-Jones considered curvy? She's beautiful, but I'd call her slim at best. A related article I read was talking about something called the waist-to-hip ratio, which supposedly measures a woman's curves. It claimed a WTH of 0.7 indicated a perfect figure. Then, however, the article said that women with that perfect figure included Selma Hayek, Jessica Alba, and Audrey Hepburn? Huh? Hayek's got the curves, sho' 'nuff. Alba ain't anything close to what i'd consider curvacious. Fit, but not Coke-bottle curvy. And Hepburn?? My goodness, on this scale, the likes of Pam Grier, Kenya Moore, Nichele Nichols, and other classic voluptuous sisters would be considered overweight! So much of this conversation on beauty frankly ignores whole groups of people. I rarely see African American or Latina women talked about as the standards, unless it's something stupid like last year's fixation on Michele Obama's arms. At any rate, I hope this is a trend reversing, and more women the world over realize that being anorexic-looking isn't a standard of beauty worth worth obtaining. * * * * * * * British women 'want to be curvy not thin' (AFP) – Jul 22, 2009 LONDON — British women hanker after a curvy hourglass body shape rather than trying to be ultra slim, preferring Kate Winslet to Kate Moss, according to a poll published Wednesday. Sixty percent admitted to being either an apple or pear shape, but 75 percent said they wanted a figure like Catherine Zeta-Jones or Marilyn Monroe, against only 10 percent who wanted to squeeze into a slim size 10 dress. The findings reflect changing attitudes in Britain -- where obesity is a growing problem -- among women tired of the so-called Size Zero culture long fuelled by advertising and the fashion industry. The report shows that women's attitudes to slimming over the last 50 years have changed with their figures, said Laura Bryant of the food company which commissioned the poll of 2,000 women. It seems British women have lost their waists but now they are demanding them back. And she added: They are more concerned about getting a curvy hourglass shape like their grandmothers instead of being the perfect size 10 which shows a marked shift in attitude from the 80s and 90s, when success and failure when slimming was benchmarked against fitting into certain sized clothes. A top-10 list of female celebrities whose shape inspired women was topped by buxom TV cook Nigella Lawson and actresses Helen Mirren, Judy Dench, and Joanna Lumley. The findings might raise eyebrows in neighbouring France, which has the highest proportion of clinically underweight women in Europe, according to a study published in April. Only half of those French women think they are thin, said the study, noting that in Britain, Spain and Portugal, the number of women who see themselves as seriously skinny easily outstrips the number who actually are. A study last December found that one in three adults in England will be obese by the time London hosts the 2012 Olympics. Between 1993 and 2004 the proportion of obese people rose significantly , from almost 13.6 percent to 24 percent among men and from almost 17 percent to 24.4 percent among women, according to University College London researchers. -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
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That should be on a T-shirt J From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 10:03 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again I was having a conversation earlier tonight about this topic. There are some guys that only want super skinny women, but MEN want a curvy woman. :) On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 9:57 PM, C.W. Badie astromancer2...@yahoo.com wrote: I agree, Keith...what was called curvy, voluptuous, and sexy in the 50's, 60's, and 70's they now call thick... However, regardless of what we see or hear on tv, 'thick' women are very much preferred on the streets...no matter what race, creed or color men are... Such music flows on the Fringe and no one can resist singing to Scarlet From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie _ From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, January 13, 2010 10:55:52 PM Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again Related to the conversation where I'd noted the Brits seem to use more women with real shapes (at least in Dr. Who). Although, even here i see perceptions have changed. I mean, in what universe is Catherine Zeta-Jones considered curvy? She's beautiful, but I'd call her slim at best. A related article I read was talking about something called the waist-to-hip ratio, which supposedly measures a woman's curves. It claimed a WTH of 0.7 indicated a perfect figure. Then, however, the article said that women with that perfect figure included Selma Hayek, Jessica Alba, and Audrey Hepburn? Huh? Hayek's got the curves, sho' 'nuff. Alba ain't anything close to what i'd consider curvacious. Fit, but not Coke-bottle curvy. And Hepburn?? My goodness, on this scale, the likes of Pam Grier, Kenya Moore, Nichele Nichols, and other classic voluptuous sisters would be considered overweight! So much of this conversation on beauty frankly ignores whole groups of people. I rarely see African American or Latina women talked about as the standards, unless it's something stupid like last year's fixation on Michele Obama's arms. At any rate, I hope this is a trend reversing, and more women the world over realize that being anorexic-looking isn't a standard of beauty worth worth obtaining. * * * * * * * British women 'want to be curvy not thin' (AFP) – Jul 22, 2009 LONDON — British women hanker after a curvy hourglass body shape rather than trying to be ultra slim, preferring Kate Winslet to Kate Moss, according to a poll published Wednesday. Sixty percent admitted to being either an apple or pear shape, but 75 percent said they wanted a figure like Catherine Zeta-Jones or Marilyn Monroe, against only 10 percent who wanted to squeeze into a slim size 10 dress. The findings reflect changing attitudes in Britain -- where obesity is a growing problem -- among women tired of the so-called Size Zero culture long fuelled by advertising and the fashion industry. The report shows that women's attitudes to slimming over the last 50 years have changed with their figures, said Laura Bryant of the food company which commissioned the poll of 2,000 women. It seems British women have lost their waists but now they are demanding them back. And she added: They are more concerned about getting a curvy hourglass shape like their grandmothers instead of being the perfect size 10 which shows a marked shift in attitude from the 80s and 90s, when success and failure when slimming was benchmarked against fitting into certain sized clothes. A top-10 list of female celebrities whose shape inspired women was topped by buxom TV cook Nigella Lawson and actresses Helen Mirren, Judy Dench, and Joanna Lumley. The findings might raise eyebrows in neighbouring France, which has the highest proportion of clinically underweight women in Europe, according to a study published in April. Only half of those French women think they are thin, said the study, noting that in Britain, Spain and Portugal, the number of women who see themselves as seriously skinny easily outstrips the number who actually are. A study last December found that one in three adults in England will be obese by the time London hosts the 2012 Olympics. Between 1993 and 2004 the proportion of obese people rose significantly , from almost 13.6 percent to 24 percent among men and from almost 17 percent to 24.4 percent among women, according to University College London researchers. -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
