RE: [scifinoir2] Re: 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break
Mr Worf, if I'm going to go there, it won't be on a small scale. I'll be needing the room. ;-D If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 14:55:56 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break Actually a Nissan Altima can hold about 2 bodies pretty easily. :) On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: Isn't that why Deity made ballpeen hammers and '74 Lincoln Continentals (with extra-large trunks)? ;-) If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 14:10:36 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break The problem is that great scripts can be written but the people doing the decision making don't have the smarts to do anything with them. On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: Mr Worf, once again you prove that we need to be doing the writing in H'Wood... If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 13:39:44 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break Fast forward through the episodes. Many of them are useless and move the plot only incrementally. The Sylar/Peter thing bugs me although it was interesting. The Claire outing herself thing is the last couple of minutes of the last episode of the season. My question is what is the use of having people with superpowers and no one uses them? Everyone wants to fit in. Peter could have quite literally made himself into Superman but they backed away from it. When the series started I thought that it was going to take the direction of being sort of a live action superhero universe where costume heroes come alive. Or at least show the beginnings of a world like that. On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 8:32 AM, angelababycat asrobin...@mindspring.com wrote: The last 5 eps are hogging space in my DVR, yet I can't bring myself to watch even when desperately surfing channels for something other than skiing or ghost hunting to watch. As I think someone else mentioned in a previous discussion, the carnival stuff killed it for me. I really do want to see the part about Clair outing herself, but how much more torture must I endure just to see that!?! Why does this keep happening to our shows? Angela --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... wrote: I think that they just ran out of steam and didn't have a well thought out story line that would last this long. They stopped doing all of the cool things that attracted people to the show. It was as if they changed the format of the show without really changing anything and it broke the show. Its like turning a comedy show into a drama. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:01 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: CANCEL †They destroyed the magic long ago. I do believe that the change in tone started in the middle of the first season, but I did like the whole first season. Thereafter with all the new characters introduced who were never developed by disappeared and all the story twists, I hung around out of loyalty from the first season for a while, hoping that the past glory would return, this season, I couldn’t muster up the energy to turn the channel or to watch it on Hulu. It jumped the shark long ago…. A fate worse than the series finale of Battlestar Gallactica. Who would have thought it possible. *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mr. Worf *Sent:* Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:46 AM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break At this point I think that the series has too many issues. They have turned Sylar into a repented hero with a dark past. Claire has outed herself to the world and now they run the risk of falling into that strange void of no where to go from here. They left a few holes in the plot that they never really explained. Its just a mess. Do they deserve a renewal
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break
i think the fact they had no peter parker no speed ball no steve rogers . They had no one that you can like doomed it . so me people say hiro but too me he was a close to asterretype as you can get . i kept hoping for the apperaance of the dark hiro. the charecters all did nothing but bitch and whine On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.comwrote: Mr Worf, if I'm going to go there, it won't be on a small scale. I'll be needing the room. ;-D If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 14:55:56 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break Actually a Nissan Altima can hold about 2 bodies pretty easily. :) On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: Isn't that why Deity made ballpeen hammers and '74 Lincoln Continentals (with extra-large trunks)? ;-) If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 14:10:36 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break The problem is that great scripts can be written but the people doing the decision making don't have the smarts to do anything with them. On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: Mr Worf, once again you prove that we need to be doing the writing in H'Wood... If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 13:39:44 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break Fast forward through the episodes. Many of them are useless and move the plot only incrementally. The Sylar/Peter thing bugs me although it was interesting. The Claire outing herself thing is the last couple of minutes of the last episode of the season. My question is what is the use of having people with superpowers and no one uses them? Everyone wants to fit in. Peter could have quite literally made himself into Superman but they backed away from it. When the series started I thought that it was going to take the direction of being sort of a live action superhero universe where costume heroes come alive. Or at least show the beginnings of a world like that. On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 8:32 AM, angelababycat asrobin...@mindspring.comwrote: The last 5 eps are hogging space in my DVR, yet I can't bring myself to watch even when desperately surfing channels for something other than skiing or ghost hunting to watch. As I think someone else mentioned in a previous discussion, the carnival stuff killed it for me. I really do want to see the part about Clair outing herself, but how much more torture must I endure just to see that!?! Why does this keep happening to our shows? Angela --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... wrote: I think that they just ran out of steam and didn't have a well thought out story line that would last this long. They stopped doing all of the cool things that attracted people to the show. It was as if they changed the format of the show without really changing anything and it broke the show. Its like turning a comedy show into a drama. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:01 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: CANCEL †They destroyed the magic long ago. I do believe that the change in tone started in the middle of the first season, but I did like the whole first season. Thereafter with all the new characters introduced who were never developed by disappeared and all the story twists, I hung around out of loyalty from the first season for a while, hoping that the past glory would return, this season, I couldn’t muster up the energy to turn the channel or to watch it on Hulu. It jumped the shark long ago…. A fate worse than the series finale of Battlestar Gallactica. Who would have thought it possible. *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mr. Worf *Sent:* Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:46 AM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break At this point I think that the series has too many issues. They have turned Sylar
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break
That brings up a couple of things that they skipped. The multiple time lines were totally forgotten about. It would have been interesting to see what would have happened if Sylar became president or NYC blew up. Or the original heroes first and second generations. On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 1:29 PM, bruce harden bhsleepystude...@gmail.comwrote: i think the fact they had no peter parker no speed ball no steve rogers . They had no one that you can like doomed it . so me people say hiro but too me he was a close to asterretype as you can get . i kept hoping for the apperaance of the dark hiro. the charecters all did nothing but bitch and whine On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: Mr Worf, if I'm going to go there, it won't be on a small scale. I'll be needing the room. ;-D If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 14:55:56 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break Actually a Nissan Altima can hold about 2 bodies pretty easily. :) On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: Isn't that why Deity made ballpeen hammers and '74 Lincoln Continentals (with extra-large trunks)? ;-) If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 14:10:36 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break The problem is that great scripts can be written but the people doing the decision making don't have the smarts to do anything with them. On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: Mr Worf, once again you prove that we need to be doing the writing in H'Wood... If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 13:39:44 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break Fast forward through the episodes. Many of them are useless and move the plot only incrementally. The Sylar/Peter thing bugs me although it was interesting. The Claire outing herself thing is the last couple of minutes of the last episode of the season. My question is what is the use of having people with superpowers and no one uses them? Everyone wants to fit in. Peter could have quite literally made himself into Superman but they backed away from it. When the series started I thought that it was going to take the direction of being sort of a live action superhero universe where costume heroes come alive. Or at least show the beginnings of a world like that. On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 8:32 AM, angelababycat asrobin...@mindspring.com wrote: The last 5 eps are hogging space in my DVR, yet I can't bring myself to watch even when desperately surfing channels for something other than skiing or ghost hunting to watch. As I think someone else mentioned in a previous discussion, the carnival stuff killed it for me. I really do want to see the part about Clair outing herself, but how much more torture must I endure just to see that!?! Why does this keep happening to our shows? Angela --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... wrote: I think that they just ran out of steam and didn't have a well thought out story line that would last this long. They stopped doing all of the cool things that attracted people to the show. It was as if they changed the format of the show without really changing anything and it broke the show. Its like turning a comedy show into a drama. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:01 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: CANCEL †They destroyed the magic long ago. I do believe that the change in tone started in the middle of the first season, but I did like the whole first season. Thereafter with all the new characters introduced who were never developed by disappeared and all the story twists, I hung around out of loyalty from the first season for a while, hoping that the past glory would return, this season, I couldn’t muster up the energy to turn the channel or to watch it on Hulu. It jumped the shark long ago…. A fate worse than the series finale of Battlestar Gallactica. Who would have thought it possible. *From
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break
Deity help me... I almost cared enough to try to rationalize that. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 14:56:57 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break That brings up a couple of things that they skipped. The multiple time lines were totally forgotten about. It would have been interesting to see what would have happened if Sylar became president or NYC blew up. Or the original heroes first and second generations. On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 1:29 PM, bruce harden bhsleepystude...@gmail.com wrote: i think the fact they had no peter parker no speed ball no steve rogers . They had no one that you can like doomed it . so me people say hiro but too me he was a close to asterretype as you can get . i kept hoping for the apperaance of the dark hiro. the charecters all did nothing but bitch and whine On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: Mr Worf, if I'm going to go there, it won't be on a small scale. I'll be needing the room. ;-D If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 14:55:56 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break Actually a Nissan Altima can hold about 2 bodies pretty easily. :) On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: Isn't that why Deity made ballpeen hammers and '74 Lincoln Continentals (with extra-large trunks)? ;-) If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 14:10:36 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break The problem is that great scripts can be written but the people doing the decision making don't have the smarts to do anything with them. On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: Mr Worf, once again you prove that we need to be doing the writing in H'Wood... If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 13:39:44 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break Fast forward through the episodes. Many of them are useless and move the plot only incrementally. The Sylar/Peter thing bugs me although it was interesting. The Claire outing herself thing is the last couple of minutes of the last episode of the season. My question is what is the use of having people with superpowers and no one uses them? Everyone wants to fit in. Peter could have quite literally made himself into Superman but they backed away from it. When the series started I thought that it was going to take the direction of being sort of a live action superhero universe where costume heroes come alive. Or at least show the beginnings of a world like that. On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 8:32 AM, angelababycat asrobin...@mindspring.com wrote: The last 5 eps are hogging space in my DVR, yet I can't bring myself to watch even when desperately surfing channels for something other than skiing or ghost hunting to watch. As I think someone else mentioned in a previous discussion, the carnival stuff killed it for me. I really do want to see the part about Clair outing herself, but how much more torture must I endure just to see that!?! Why does this keep happening to our shows? Angela --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... wrote: I think that they just ran out of steam and didn't have a well thought out story line that would last this long. They stopped doing all of the cool things that attracted people to the show. It was as if they changed the format of the show without really changing anything and it broke the show. Its like turning a comedy show into a drama. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:01 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: CANCEL †They destroyed the magic long ago. I do believe that the change in tone started in the middle of the first season, but I did like the whole first season. Thereafter with all the new characters introduced who were never developed by disappeared
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break
I only just started watching the show and am heading towards the end of the first season. My fav char is Hiro and quite frankly, I would continue watching the show just for him. He is awesome with awesomesauce. :D ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 11:32 AM, angelababycat asrobin...@mindspring.comwrote: The last 5 eps are hogging space in my DVR, yet I can't bring myself to watch even when desperately surfing channels for something other than skiing or ghost hunting to watch. As I think someone else mentioned in a previous discussion, the carnival stuff killed it for me. I really do want to see the part about Clair outing herself, but how much more torture must I endure just to see that!?! Why does this keep happening to our shows? Angela --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... wrote: I think that they just ran out of steam and didn't have a well thought out story line that would last this long. They stopped doing all of the cool things that attracted people to the show. It was as if they changed the format of the show without really changing anything and it broke the show. Its like turning a comedy show into a drama. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:01 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: CANCEL †They destroyed the magic long ago. I do believe that the change in tone started in the middle of the first season, but I did like the whole first season. Thereafter with all the new characters introduced who were never developed by disappeared and all the story twists, I hung around out of loyalty from the first season for a while, hoping that the past glory would return, this season, I couldn’t muster up the energy to turn the channel or to watch it on Hulu. It jumped the shark long ago…. A fate worse than the series finale of Battlestar Gallactica. Who would have thought it possible. *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mr. Worf *Sent:* Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:46 AM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break At this point I think that the series has too many issues. They have turned Sylar into a repented hero with a dark past. Claire has outed herself to the world and now they run the risk of falling into that strange void of no where to go from here. They left a few holes in the plot that they never really explained. Its just a mess. Do they deserve a renewal? I dunno. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 1:23 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break Series creator outlines his feelings on the evolution of NBC show on the bubble http://www.airlockalpha.com/node/7129 When you think of NBC's[image: http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif] http://www.airlockalpha.com/node/7129Heroes, you can't help but think of a younger, less emotionally certain Peter Petrelli[image: http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif] http://www.airlockalpha.com/node/7129standing on the roof of a building with Mohinder's enigmatic narration on the nature of life's mysteries. Those were the good days. Now, the series has evolved to a point where it is barely recognizable from its debut season (both in terms of characters and pace), and the ratings have plummeted. Where did the series go wrong, if it indeed went wrong in the first place? Fans have their opinions and series creator Tim Kring has his own. However, to Kring, the series never fully recovered after its first break following the initial 11 episodes. Fallout, the 11th episode of the series, originally premiered on Dec. 4, 2006, after which the series went on a festive vacation before returning to the screens on Jan. 22, 2007. We took about four days off between Season 1 and 2 -- we never stopped writing, Kring told The AV Club. Same directors, same actors, same everything. So when someone says they don’t like Season 2, it’s like, 'Well, that was yesterday.' We don’t have a sense that the seasons are divided by ideas or timeframes; it’s just this big long continuum. Kring said the first season can be divided into two places. Then Heroes took a seven-wrrk break, and the audience simply never came back. The first 16 episodes was the part everybody talks about, he said. After that 16th episode, Heroes delved deeply into the
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break
I watch ten minutes of the DVR'd episodes and delete it with no remorse. From: angelababycat asrobin...@mindspring.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, February 19, 2010 11:32:45 AM Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break The last 5 eps are hogging space in my DVR, yet I can't bring myself to watch even when desperately surfing channels for something other than skiing or ghost hunting to watch. As I think someone else mentioned in a previous discussion, the carnival stuff killed it for me. I really do want to see the part about Clair outing herself, but how much more torture must I endure just to see that!?! Why does this keep happening to our shows? Angela --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ ... wrote: I think that they just ran out of steam and didn't have a well thought out story line that would last this long. They stopped doing all of the cool things that attracted people to the show. It was as if they changed the format of the show without really changing anything and it broke the show. Its like turning a comedy show into a drama. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:01 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: CANCEL †They destroyed the magic long ago. I do believe that the change in tone started in the middle of the first season, but I did like the whole first season. Thereafter with all the new characters introduced who were never developed by disappeared and all the story twists, I hung around out of loyalty from the first season for a while, hoping that the past glory would return, this season, I couldn’t muster up the energy to turn the channel or to watch it on Hulu. It jumped the shark long ago…. A fate worse than the series finale of Battlestar Gallactica. Who would have thought it possible. *From:* scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@ yahoogroups. com] *On Behalf Of *Mr. Worf *Sent:* Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:46 AM *To:* scifino...@yahoogro ups.com *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break At this point I think that the series has too many issues. They have turned Sylar into a repented hero with a dark past. Claire has outed herself to the world and now they run the risk of falling into that strange void of no where to go from here. They left a few holes in the plot that they never really explained. Its just a mess. Do they deserve a renewal? I dunno. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 1:23 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break Series creator outlines his feelings on the evolution of NBC show on the bubble http://www.airlocka lpha.com/ node/7129 When you think of NBC's[image: http://images. intellitxt. com/ast/adTypes/ 2_bing.gif]http://www.airlocka lpha.com/ node/7129Heroes, you can't help but think of a younger, less emotionally certain Peter Petrelli[image: http://images. intellitxt. com/ast/adTypes/ 2_bing.gif]http://www.airlocka lpha.com/ node/7129standing on the roof of a building with Mohinder's enigmatic narration on the nature of life's mysteries. Those were the good days. Now, the series has evolved to a point where it is barely recognizable from its debut season (both in terms of characters and pace), and the ratings have plummeted. Where did the series go wrong, if it indeed went wrong in the first place? Fans have their opinions and series creator Tim Kring has his own. However, to Kring, the series never fully recovered after its first break following the initial 11 episodes. Fallout, the 11th episode of the series, originally premiered on Dec. 4, 2006, after which the series went on a festive vacation before returning to the screens on Jan. 22, 2007. We took about four days off between Season 1 and 2 -- we never stopped writing, Kring told The AV Club. Same directors, same actors, same everything. So when someone says they don’t like Season 2, it’s like, 'Well, that was yesterday.' We don’t have a sense that the seasons are divided by ideas or timeframes; it’s just this big long continuum. Kring said the first season can be divided into two places. Then Heroes took a seven-wrrk break, and the audience simply never came back. The first 16 episodes was the part everybody talks about, he said. After that 16th episode, Heroes delved deeply into the mythology of the mysterious Company, and eventually built toward an explosion-filled season finale ... and that became a problem for the show. The other thing is, you can only be shiny and new one time, Kring said. Also in that first season, we probably should have done two volumes or three volumes, smaller stories. I think people would have gotten used to the fact that we tell a story in volumes that have a beginning, a middle, and an end.
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break
Is it still on? Seriously, I've deleted the existence of it from my mind. _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break
Mine as well, Adrianne, and for reasons beyond my personal time-travel fetish. He's a lot like me. _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break
Fast forward through the episodes. Many of them are useless and move the plot only incrementally. The Sylar/Peter thing bugs me although it was interesting. The Claire outing herself thing is the last couple of minutes of the last episode of the season. My question is what is the use of having people with superpowers and no one uses them? Everyone wants to fit in. Peter could have quite literally made himself into Superman but they backed away from it. When the series started I thought that it was going to take the direction of being sort of a live action superhero universe where costume heroes come alive. Or at least show the beginnings of a world like that. On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 8:32 AM, angelababycat asrobin...@mindspring.comwrote: The last 5 eps are hogging space in my DVR, yet I can't bring myself to watch even when desperately surfing channels for something other than skiing or ghost hunting to watch. As I think someone else mentioned in a previous discussion, the carnival stuff killed it for me. I really do want to see the part about Clair outing herself, but how much more torture must I endure just to see that!?! Why does this keep happening to our shows? Angela --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... wrote: I think that they just ran out of steam and didn't have a well thought out story line that would last this long. They stopped doing all of the cool things that attracted people to the show. It was as if they changed the format of the show without really changing anything and it broke the show. Its like turning a comedy show into a drama. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:01 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: CANCEL †They destroyed the magic long ago. I do believe that the change in tone started in the middle of the first season, but I did like the whole first season. Thereafter with all the new characters introduced who were never developed by disappeared and all the story twists, I hung around out of loyalty from the first season for a while, hoping that the past glory would return, this season, I couldn’t muster up the energy to turn the channel or to watch it on Hulu. It jumped the shark long ago…. A fate worse than the series finale of Battlestar Gallactica. Who would have thought it possible. *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mr. Worf *Sent:* Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:46 AM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break At this point I think that the series has too many issues. They have turned Sylar into a repented hero with a dark past. Claire has outed herself to the world and now they run the risk of falling into that strange void of no where to go from here. They left a few holes in the plot that they never really explained. Its just a mess. Do they deserve a renewal? I dunno. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 1:23 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break Series creator outlines his feelings on the evolution of NBC show on the bubble http://www.airlockalpha.com/node/7129 When you think of NBC's[image: http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif] http://www.airlockalpha.com/node/7129Heroes, you can't help but think of a younger, less emotionally certain Peter Petrelli[image: http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif] http://www.airlockalpha.com/node/7129standing on the roof of a building with Mohinder's enigmatic narration on the nature of life's mysteries. Those were the good days. Now, the series has evolved to a point where it is barely recognizable from its debut season (both in terms of characters and pace), and the ratings have plummeted. Where did the series go wrong, if it indeed went wrong in the first place? Fans have their opinions and series creator Tim Kring has his own. However, to Kring, the series never fully recovered after its first break following the initial 11 episodes. Fallout, the 11th episode of the series, originally premiered on Dec. 4, 2006, after which the series went on a festive vacation before returning to the screens on Jan. 22, 2007. We took about four days off between Season 1 and 2 -- we never stopped writing, Kring told The AV Club. Same directors, same actors, same everything. So when someone says they don’t like Season 2, it’s like, 'Well, that was yesterday.' We don’t have a sense that the seasons are divided by ideas or timeframes; it’s just this big long continuum. Kring said the first season can be divided into two places. Then Heroes took a seven-wrrk break, and the audience simply never came back. The first 16 episodes was the part everybody talks
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break
Wow. Awesome with awesomesauce. That is love there. On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 8:38 AM, Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@gmail.com wrote: I only just started watching the show and am heading towards the end of the first season. My fav char is Hiro and quite frankly, I would continue watching the show just for him. He is awesome with awesomesauce. :D ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 11:32 AM, angelababycat asrobin...@mindspring.com wrote: The last 5 eps are hogging space in my DVR, yet I can't bring myself to watch even when desperately surfing channels for something other than skiing or ghost hunting to watch. As I think someone else mentioned in a previous discussion, the carnival stuff killed it for me. I really do want to see the part about Clair outing herself, but how much more torture must I endure just to see that!?! Why does this keep happening to our shows? Angela --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... wrote: I think that they just ran out of steam and didn't have a well thought out story line that would last this long. They stopped doing all of the cool things that attracted people to the show. It was as if they changed the format of the show without really changing anything and it broke the show. Its like turning a comedy show into a drama. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:01 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: CANCEL †They destroyed the magic long ago. I do believe that the change in tone started in the middle of the first season, but I did like the whole first season. Thereafter with all the new characters introduced who were never developed by disappeared and all the story twists, I hung around out of loyalty from the first season for a while, hoping that the past glory would return, this season, I couldn’t muster up the energy to turn the channel or to watch it on Hulu. It jumped the shark long ago…. A fate worse than the series finale of Battlestar Gallactica. Who would have thought it possible. *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mr. Worf *Sent:* Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:46 AM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break At this point I think that the series has too many issues. They have turned Sylar into a repented hero with a dark past. Claire has outed herself to the world and now they run the risk of falling into that strange void of no where to go from here. They left a few holes in the plot that they never really explained. Its just a mess. Do they deserve a renewal? I dunno. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 1:23 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break Series creator outlines his feelings on the evolution of NBC show on the bubble http://www.airlockalpha.com/node/7129 When you think of NBC's[image: http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif] http://www.airlockalpha.com/node/7129Heroes, you can't help but think of a younger, less emotionally certain Peter Petrelli[image: http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif] http://www.airlockalpha.com/node/7129standing on the roof of a building with Mohinder's enigmatic narration on the nature of life's mysteries. Those were the good days. Now, the series has evolved to a point where it is barely recognizable from its debut season (both in terms of characters and pace), and the ratings have plummeted. Where did the series go wrong, if it indeed went wrong in the first place? Fans have their opinions and series creator Tim Kring has his own. However, to Kring, the series never fully recovered after its first break following the initial 11 episodes. Fallout, the 11th episode of the series, originally premiered on Dec. 4, 2006, after which the series went on a festive vacation before returning to the screens on Jan. 22, 2007. We took about four days off between Season 1 and 2 -- we never stopped writing, Kring told The AV Club. Same directors, same actors, same everything. So when someone says they don’t like Season 2, it’s like, 'Well, that was yesterday.' We don’t have a sense that the seasons are divided by ideas or timeframes; it’s just this big long continuum. Kring said the first season can be divided into two places. Then Heroes took a seven-wrrk break, and the audience
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break
To the extreme. He had me at the numerous geek references, then he demonstrated the ability to manipulate time and space as well as teleport. Love. Pure, pure, love. 3 ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com wrote: Wow. Awesome with awesomesauce. That is love there. On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 8:38 AM, Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@gmail.com wrote: I only just started watching the show and am heading towards the end of the first season. My fav char is Hiro and quite frankly, I would continue watching the show just for him. He is awesome with awesomesauce. :D ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 11:32 AM, angelababycat asrobin...@mindspring.com wrote: The last 5 eps are hogging space in my DVR, yet I can't bring myself to watch even when desperately surfing channels for something other than skiing or ghost hunting to watch. As I think someone else mentioned in a previous discussion, the carnival stuff killed it for me. I really do want to see the part about Clair outing herself, but how much more torture must I endure just to see that!?! Why does this keep happening to our shows? Angela --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... wrote: I think that they just ran out of steam and didn't have a well thought out story line that would last this long. They stopped doing all of the cool things that attracted people to the show. It was as if they changed the format of the show without really changing anything and it broke the show. Its like turning a comedy show into a drama. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:01 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: CANCEL †They destroyed the magic long ago. I do believe that the change in tone started in the middle of the first season, but I did like the whole first season. Thereafter with all the new characters introduced who were never developed by disappeared and all the story twists, I hung around out of loyalty from the first season for a while, hoping that the past glory would return, this season, I couldn’t muster up the energy to turn the channel or to watch it on Hulu. It jumped the shark long ago…. A fate worse than the series finale of Battlestar Gallactica. Who would have thought it possible. *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mr. Worf *Sent:* Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:46 AM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break At this point I think that the series has too many issues. They have turned Sylar into a repented hero with a dark past. Claire has outed herself to the world and now they run the risk of falling into that strange void of no where to go from here. They left a few holes in the plot that they never really explained. Its just a mess. Do they deserve a renewal? I dunno. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 1:23 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break Series creator outlines his feelings on the evolution of NBC show on the bubble http://www.airlockalpha.com/node/7129 When you think of NBC's[image: http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif] http://www.airlockalpha.com/node/7129Heroes, you can't help but think of a younger, less emotionally certain Peter Petrelli[image: http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif ]http://www.airlockalpha.com/node/7129standing on the roof of a building with Mohinder's enigmatic narration on the nature of life's mysteries. Those were the good days. Now, the series has evolved to a point where it is barely recognizable from its debut season (both in terms of characters and pace), and the ratings have plummeted. Where did the series go wrong, if it indeed went wrong in the first place? Fans have their opinions and series creator Tim Kring has his own. However, to Kring, the series never fully recovered after its first break following the initial 11 episodes. Fallout, the 11th episode of the series, originally premiered on
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break
Mr Worf, once again you prove that we need to be doing the writing in H'Wood... If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 13:39:44 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break Fast forward through the episodes. Many of them are useless and move the plot only incrementally. The Sylar/Peter thing bugs me although it was interesting. The Claire outing herself thing is the last couple of minutes of the last episode of the season. My question is what is the use of having people with superpowers and no one uses them? Everyone wants to fit in. Peter could have quite literally made himself into Superman but they backed away from it. When the series started I thought that it was going to take the direction of being sort of a live action superhero universe where costume heroes come alive. Or at least show the beginnings of a world like that. On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 8:32 AM, angelababycat asrobin...@mindspring.com wrote: The last 5 eps are hogging space in my DVR, yet I can't bring myself to watch even when desperately surfing channels for something other than skiing or ghost hunting to watch. As I think someone else mentioned in a previous discussion, the carnival stuff killed it for me. I really do want to see the part about Clair outing herself, but how much more torture must I endure just to see that!?! Why does this keep happening to our shows? Angela --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... wrote: I think that they just ran out of steam and didn't have a well thought out story line that would last this long. They stopped doing all of the cool things that attracted people to the show. It was as if they changed the format of the show without really changing anything and it broke the show. Its like turning a comedy show into a drama. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:01 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: CANCEL †They destroyed the magic long ago. I do believe that the change in tone started in the middle of the first season, but I did like the whole first season. Thereafter with all the new characters introduced who were never developed by disappeared and all the story twists, I hung around out of loyalty from the first season for a while, hoping that the past glory would return, this season, I couldn’t muster up the energy to turn the channel or to watch it on Hulu. It jumped the shark long ago…. A fate worse than the series finale of Battlestar Gallactica. Who would have thought it possible. *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mr. Worf *Sent:* Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:46 AM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break At this point I think that the series has too many issues. They have turned Sylar into a repented hero with a dark past. Claire has outed herself to the world and now they run the risk of falling into that strange void of no where to go from here. They left a few holes in the plot that they never really explained. Its just a mess. Do they deserve a renewal? I dunno. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 1:23 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break Series creator outlines his feelings on the evolution of NBC show on the bubble http://www.airlockalpha.com/node/7129 When you think of NBC's[image: http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif]http://www.airlockalpha.com/node/7129Heroes, you can't help but think of a younger, less emotionally certain Peter Petrelli[image: http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif]http://www.airlockalpha.com/node/7129standing on the roof of a building with Mohinder's enigmatic narration on the nature of life's mysteries. Those were the good days. Now, the series has evolved to a point where it is barely recognizable from its debut season (both in terms of characters and pace), and the ratings have plummeted. Where did the series go wrong, if it indeed went wrong in the first place? Fans have their opinions and series creator Tim Kring has his own. However, to Kring, the series never fully recovered after its first break following the initial 11 episodes. Fallout, the 11th episode of the series, originally premiered on Dec. 4, 2006, after which the series went on a festive vacation before returning to the screens on Jan. 22, 2007. We took about four days off between Season 1 and 2 -- we never stopped writing, Kring told The AV Club. Same directors
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break
The problem is that great scripts can be written but the people doing the decision making don't have the smarts to do anything with them. On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.comwrote: Mr Worf, once again you prove that we need to be doing the writing in H'Wood... If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 13:39:44 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break Fast forward through the episodes. Many of them are useless and move the plot only incrementally. The Sylar/Peter thing bugs me although it was interesting. The Claire outing herself thing is the last couple of minutes of the last episode of the season. My question is what is the use of having people with superpowers and no one uses them? Everyone wants to fit in. Peter could have quite literally made himself into Superman but they backed away from it. When the series started I thought that it was going to take the direction of being sort of a live action superhero universe where costume heroes come alive. Or at least show the beginnings of a world like that. On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 8:32 AM, angelababycat asrobin...@mindspring.comwrote: The last 5 eps are hogging space in my DVR, yet I can't bring myself to watch even when desperately surfing channels for something other than skiing or ghost hunting to watch. As I think someone else mentioned in a previous discussion, the carnival stuff killed it for me. I really do want to see the part about Clair outing herself, but how much more torture must I endure just to see that!?! Why does this keep happening to our shows? Angela --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... wrote: I think that they just ran out of steam and didn't have a well thought out story line that would last this long. They stopped doing all of the cool things that attracted people to the show. It was as if they changed the format of the show without really changing anything and it broke the show. Its like turning a comedy show into a drama. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:01 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: CANCEL †They destroyed the magic long ago. I do believe that the change in tone started in the middle of the first season, but I did like the whole first season. Thereafter with all the new characters introduced who were never developed by disappeared and all the story twists, I hung around out of loyalty from the first season for a while, hoping that the past glory would return, this season, I couldn’t muster up the energy to turn the channel or to watch it on Hulu. It jumped the shark long ago…. A fate worse than the series finale of Battlestar Gallactica. Who would have thought it possible. *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mr. Worf *Sent:* Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:46 AM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break At this point I think that the series has too many issues. They have turned Sylar into a repented hero with a dark past. Claire has outed herself to the world and now they run the risk of falling into that strange void of no where to go from here. They left a few holes in the plot that they never really explained. Its just a mess. Do they deserve a renewal? I dunno. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 1:23 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break Series creator outlines his feelings on the evolution of NBC show on the bubble http://www.airlockalpha.com/node/7129 When you think of NBC's[image: http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif] http://www.airlockalpha.com/node/7129Heroes, you can't help but think of a younger, less emotionally certain Peter Petrelli[image: http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif] http://www.airlockalpha.com/node/7129standing on the roof of a building with Mohinder's enigmatic narration on the nature of life's mysteries. Those were the good days. Now, the series has evolved to a point where it is barely recognizable from its debut season (both in terms of characters and pace), and the ratings have plummeted. Where did the series go wrong, if it indeed went wrong in the first place? Fans have their opinions and series creator Tim Kring has his own. However, to Kring, the series never fully recovered after its first break following the initial 11 episodes. Fallout, the 11th episode of the series, originally
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break
Isn't that why Deity made ballpeen hammers and '74 Lincoln Continentals (with extra-large trunks)? ;-) If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 14:10:36 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break The problem is that great scripts can be written but the people doing the decision making don't have the smarts to do anything with them. On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: Mr Worf, once again you prove that we need to be doing the writing in H'Wood... If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 13:39:44 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break Fast forward through the episodes. Many of them are useless and move the plot only incrementally. The Sylar/Peter thing bugs me although it was interesting. The Claire outing herself thing is the last couple of minutes of the last episode of the season. My question is what is the use of having people with superpowers and no one uses them? Everyone wants to fit in. Peter could have quite literally made himself into Superman but they backed away from it. When the series started I thought that it was going to take the direction of being sort of a live action superhero universe where costume heroes come alive. Or at least show the beginnings of a world like that. On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 8:32 AM, angelababycat asrobin...@mindspring.com wrote: The last 5 eps are hogging space in my DVR, yet I can't bring myself to watch even when desperately surfing channels for something other than skiing or ghost hunting to watch. As I think someone else mentioned in a previous discussion, the carnival stuff killed it for me. I really do want to see the part about Clair outing herself, but how much more torture must I endure just to see that!?! Why does this keep happening to our shows? Angela --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... wrote: I think that they just ran out of steam and didn't have a well thought out story line that would last this long. They stopped doing all of the cool things that attracted people to the show. It was as if they changed the format of the show without really changing anything and it broke the show. Its like turning a comedy show into a drama. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:01 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: CANCEL †They destroyed the magic long ago. I do believe that the change in tone started in the middle of the first season, but I did like the whole first season. Thereafter with all the new characters introduced who were never developed by disappeared and all the story twists, I hung around out of loyalty from the first season for a while, hoping that the past glory would return, this season, I couldn’t muster up the energy to turn the channel or to watch it on Hulu. It jumped the shark long ago…. A fate worse than the series finale of Battlestar Gallactica. Who would have thought it possible. *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mr. Worf *Sent:* Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:46 AM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break At this point I think that the series has too many issues. They have turned Sylar into a repented hero with a dark past. Claire has outed herself to the world and now they run the risk of falling into that strange void of no where to go from here. They left a few holes in the plot that they never really explained. Its just a mess. Do they deserve a renewal? I dunno. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 1:23 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break Series creator outlines his feelings on the evolution of NBC show on the bubble http://www.airlockalpha.com/node/7129 When you think of NBC's[image: http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif]http://www.airlockalpha.com/node/7129Heroes, you can't help but think of a younger, less emotionally certain Peter Petrelli[image: http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif]http://www.airlockalpha.com/node/7129standing on the roof of a building with Mohinder's enigmatic narration on the nature of life's mysteries
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break
Actually a Nissan Altima can hold about 2 bodies pretty easily. :) On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.comwrote: Isn't that why Deity made ballpeen hammers and '74 Lincoln Continentals (with extra-large trunks)? ;-) If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 14:10:36 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break The problem is that great scripts can be written but the people doing the decision making don't have the smarts to do anything with them. On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: Mr Worf, once again you prove that we need to be doing the writing in H'Wood... If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 13:39:44 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break Fast forward through the episodes. Many of them are useless and move the plot only incrementally. The Sylar/Peter thing bugs me although it was interesting. The Claire outing herself thing is the last couple of minutes of the last episode of the season. My question is what is the use of having people with superpowers and no one uses them? Everyone wants to fit in. Peter could have quite literally made himself into Superman but they backed away from it. When the series started I thought that it was going to take the direction of being sort of a live action superhero universe where costume heroes come alive. Or at least show the beginnings of a world like that. On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 8:32 AM, angelababycat asrobin...@mindspring.comwrote: The last 5 eps are hogging space in my DVR, yet I can't bring myself to watch even when desperately surfing channels for something other than skiing or ghost hunting to watch. As I think someone else mentioned in a previous discussion, the carnival stuff killed it for me. I really do want to see the part about Clair outing herself, but how much more torture must I endure just to see that!?! Why does this keep happening to our shows? Angela --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... wrote: I think that they just ran out of steam and didn't have a well thought out story line that would last this long. They stopped doing all of the cool things that attracted people to the show. It was as if they changed the format of the show without really changing anything and it broke the show. Its like turning a comedy show into a drama. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:01 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: CANCEL †They destroyed the magic long ago. I do believe that the change in tone started in the middle of the first season, but I did like the whole first season. Thereafter with all the new characters introduced who were never developed by disappeared and all the story twists, I hung around out of loyalty from the first season for a while, hoping that the past glory would return, this season, I couldn’t muster up the energy to turn the channel or to watch it on Hulu. It jumped the shark long ago…. A fate worse than the series finale of Battlestar Gallactica. Who would have thought it possible. *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mr. Worf *Sent:* Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:46 AM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break At this point I think that the series has too many issues. They have turned Sylar into a repented hero with a dark past. Claire has outed herself to the world and now they run the risk of falling into that strange void of no where to go from here. They left a few holes in the plot that they never really explained. Its just a mess. Do they deserve a renewal? I dunno. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 1:23 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break Series creator outlines his feelings on the evolution of NBC show on the bubble http://www.airlockalpha.com/node/7129 When you think of NBC's[image: http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif] http://www.airlockalpha.com/node/7129Heroes, you can't help but think of a younger, less emotionally certain Peter Petrelli[image: http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif] http://www.airlockalpha.com/node
