Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office
Or American sneaks behind enemy lines in ( insert country here) to retrieve ( enter naive relative or love interest here) and killed several dozen to several thousands depending on the technology slow dimwited solider who forgot how to use weapons or run when a grenade is thrown. I'm also waiting for a young Black boy or girl to discover an amulet or secret to another world. From: Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, February 17, 2010 9:53:04 AM Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office My name is rave! and I approve this message. --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ ... wrote: All three movies are fit into an overused formula that is at least 20 years old. Cop avenges the death of his partner, wife, daughter. Doctor working on a cure but can't get the money. Wild man mericanoffers payback on them dar terrorists. Hollywood still hasn't learned their lesson yet. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 6:36 PM, George Arterberry brotherfromhoward@ ... wrote: Maybe they were just garbage movies. This time of year my main focus is sports. Being that I have college and pro season tix,the urge just ain't there for me..But with the timeline from general release and DVd being smaller and smaller I'm not proessed to see a movie. as I once was. Avatar was a once in a generational thing I had to view. but something that Ford,Travolta and Gibson slept walked thru for 10 mil plus, i'll pass. - - *From:* Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ ... *To:* scifino...@yahoogro ups.com *Sent:* Tue, February 16, 2010 8:56:24 PM *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office I think the timing was wrong for all three films. In the case of Ford's film they should have waited for the interviews about the movie to happen before the movie was released. Better still timed it with another medical movie. It doesn't help if the movie is mediocre as well. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo. comravenadal@ ... wrote: Harrison Ford's Extraordinary Measures grosses $12 million (budget:$31 million) John Travolta's From Paris with Love grosses $17.9 million (budget:$52 million) Mel Gibson's Edge of Darkness grosses $37 million (budget: $80 million) - - -- Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /app/peoplemap2/ entry/add? fmvn=mapYahoohttp://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /app/peoplemap2/ entry/add? fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/mahogany_ pleasures_ of_darkness/ http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/mahogany_ pleasures_ of_darkness/ -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/mahogany_ pleasures_ of_darkness/
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Well, it's based on a BBC series that's about as old as China Syndrome. Which made it sort of hard for me to watch. There are so many great old BBC shows to remake, why that one? Just seemed like a bad idea that will probably explain itself in somebody's book one day. Unless Universal is gonna remake EastEnders, I say just leave it all alone. BBC stories seem to be doing okay without any help or translation. On Feb 17, 2010, at 9:48 AM, Kelwyn wrote: I saw Extraordinary Measures (big sneak preview crowd) but Mel looks old and small and the brutal story just pummels you. Add to that a disturbing strain of misogyny - two young women (including the one playing Mel's daughter) are taken out with extreme prejudice. Further, Measures feels dated (like it should be on a twin bill with The China Syndrome). ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle Lockhart dar...@... wrote: This is a good point I think, especially where From Paris is concerned. Put that same movie out between some summer pictures and it plays just fine. February was a horrible time for it, plus, let's be honest, until Travolta is totally OK, NONE of these pictures are going to do well. He's not promoting them, and folks want to hear from John. You could add The Spy Next Door to this list, but then you have The Shinjuku Incident, Jackie Chan's first dramatic role, a movie that just came out, which was in hella limited release. It's clear to me that Jackie is doing the family movies because he keeps getting hired. his passion seems to be elsewhere. Maybe it's the same with these other actors. Extraordinary Measures could star Will Smith, it would still be a movie made for TV, and as such, would not have done as well. Edge Of Darkness was a bad idea, and I'm afraid it's going to be the first of many bad ideas to come out in 2010 that will fail. NO argument that it died - it should have. Also, it's not that these actors are old, because remember Jennifer's Body? That was supposed to be a slam dunk. Who was more popular than Megan Fox? But the movie was horrible and was mismarketed. A good poster does not a marketing campaign make! Give the old guys a break. On Feb 16, 2010, at 8:56 PM, Mr. Worf wrote: I think the timing was wrong for all three films. In the case of Ford's film they should have waited for the interviews about the movie to happen before the movie was released. Better still timed it with another medical movie. It doesn't help if the movie is mediocre as well. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Kelwyn ravena...@... wrote: Harrison Ford's Extraordinary Measures grosses $12 million (budget:$31 million) John Travolta's From Paris with Love grosses $17.9 million (budget:$52 million) Mel Gibson's Edge of Darkness grosses $37 million (budget: $80 million) Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add? fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
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I disagree. We're talking Lionsgate here - they hit a homerun with Tyler Perry ( who is his own marketing engine) but they keep stumbling around with stuff like Crank and Spy Next Door. I don't think they've found their stride in action movies yet. But WOW are you ever right about Eli coming out at Christmas. It never would have survived. On Feb 17, 2010, at 9:51 AM, Kelwyn wrote: I disagree with Paris being a summer movie. If it was a summer movie, it would have played in the summer. It was dumped in February for a reason - a good reason as it turns out. Case in point, The Book of Eli with its religious theme, should have been a Christmas movie. But it would have gotten crushed on Christmas Day. It's studio strategically placed it in the perfect window to be successful. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... wrote: I agree about From Paris being a summer time movie. The Jackie Chan movie too. Ford's movie is just a loose rip off of Lorenzo's oil which from what I'm hearing is a better film. It does however bring to light the serious issue of research not being done of rare diseases because it isn't good business. Edge of darkness seems more like a rip off of Taken (Liam Neeson). On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Daryle Lockhart dar...@...wrote: This is a good point I think, especially where From Paris is concerned. Put that same movie out between some summer pictures and it plays just fine. February was a horrible time for it, plus, let's be honest, until Travolta is totally OK, NONE of these pictures are going to do well. He's not promoting them, and folks want to hear from John. You could add The Spy Next Door to this list, but then you have The Shinjuku Incident, Jackie Chan's first dramatic role, a movie that just came out, which was in hella limited release. It's clear to me that Jackie is doing the family movies because he keeps getting hired. his passion seems to be elsewhere. Maybe it's the same with these other actors. Extraordinary Measures could star Will Smith, it would still be a movie made for TV, and as such, would not have done as well. Edge Of Darkness was a bad idea, and I'm afraid it's going to be the first of many bad ideas to come out in 2010 that will fail. NO argument that it died - it should have. Also, it's not that these actors are old, because remember Jennifer's Body? That was supposed to be a slam dunk. Who was more popular than Megan Fox? But the movie was horrible and was mismarketed. A good poster does not a marketing campaign make! Give the old guys a break. On Feb 16, 2010, at 8:56 PM, Mr. Worf wrote: I think the timing was wrong for all three films. In the case of Ford's film they should have waited for the interviews about the movie to happen before the movie was released. Better still timed it with another medical movie. It doesn't help if the movie is mediocre as well. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Kelwyn ravena...@... wrote: Harrison Ford's Extraordinary Measures grosses $12 million (budget:$31 million) John Travolta's From Paris with Love grosses $17.9 million (budget:$52 million) Mel Gibson's Edge of Darkness grosses $37 million (budget: $80 million) Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/ add?fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
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I try very hard to avoid the whole seasonal movie thing that's taken hold since the '70s. I'm a strong believer that good films should be released when they are released. I reject that blockbusters don't just belong in the summer or Thanksgiving/Christmas, that serious fare shouldn't just be lumped into the end of the year so idiotic Oscar voters can remember it for voting, that crap films should always be dumped in August or February. I think we've gotten so programmed into thinking a certain type of film only works during a certain time, we hurt ourselves. I'd have seen Book of Eli any time of year, as its themes don't fit into any season for me. I get frustrated every year now because studios are so overloading the summer months with the big budget/FX stuff like Transformers, that some films get delayed a whole year. Of course there are holiday-specific films that are logically released next to the holiday they're showcasing, most notably Christmas. But in the main I feel you just put out a good product, get some marketing around it, and then let people appreciate it. - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 9:51:49 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office I disagree with Paris being a summer movie. If it was a summer movie, it would have played in the summer. It was dumped in February for a reason - a good reason as it turns out. Case in point, The Book of Eli with its religious theme, should have been a Christmas movie. But it would have gotten crushed on Christmas Day. It's studio strategically placed it in the perfect window to be successful. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... wrote: I agree about From Paris being a summer time movie. The Jackie Chan movie too. Ford's movie is just a loose rip off of Lorenzo's oil which from what I'm hearing is a better film. It does however bring to light the serious issue of research not being done of rare diseases because it isn't good business. Edge of darkness seems more like a rip off of Taken (Liam Neeson). On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Daryle Lockhart dar...@...wrote: This is a good point I think, especially where From Paris is concerned. Put that same movie out between some summer pictures and it plays just fine. February was a horrible time for it, plus, let's be honest, until Travolta is totally OK, NONE of these pictures are going to do well. He's not promoting them, and folks want to hear from John. You could add The Spy Next Door to this list, but then you have The Shinjuku Incident, Jackie Chan's first dramatic role, a movie that just came out, which was in hella limited release. It's clear to me that Jackie is doing the family movies because he keeps getting hired. his passion seems to be elsewhere. Maybe it's the same with these other actors. Extraordinary Measures could star Will Smith, it would still be a movie made for TV, and as such, would not have done as well. Edge Of Darkness was a bad idea, and I'm afraid it's going to be the first of many bad ideas to come out in 2010 that will fail. NO argument that it died - it should have. Also, it's not that these actors are old, because remember Jennifer's Body? That was supposed to be a slam dunk. Who was more popular than Megan Fox? But the movie was horrible and was mismarketed. A good poster does not a marketing campaign make! Give the old guys a break. On Feb 16, 2010, at 8:56 PM, Mr. Worf wrote: I think the timing was wrong for all three films. In the case of Ford's film they should have waited for the interviews about the movie to happen before the movie was released. Better still timed it with another medical movie. It doesn't help if the movie is mediocre as well. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Kelwyn ravena...@... wrote: Harrison Ford's Extraordinary Measures grosses $12 million (budget:$31 million) John Travolta's From Paris with Love grosses $17.9 million (budget:$52 million) Mel Gibson's Edge of Darkness grosses $37 million (budget: $80 million) Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo ! Groups Links -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
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I keep having this chicken or the egg dialog on this. Are studios having to
market a certain way to get audiences, or do audiences respond to certain
movies because studios are increasingly marketing a certain way?
The movie Brothers is a good example. That's the flick with Jake Gyllenhaal
and Tobey Maguire. By all accounts, it's a good character study of a family in
turmoil after supposedly dead soldier comes home, bringing his demons with him.
I've heard lots of praise for all the actors. But all the trailers played up
the action part. All i kept seeing in the trailers was Gyllenhaal and Natalie
Portman's forbidden kiss, and scenes of Maguire acting like a lunatic, breaking
glasses, standing around waving a gun, crazed. The movie's so much more than
that, but you wouldn't know it from those trailers.
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Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office
The reaction to the trailer for the Harrison Ford movie spoke volumes. It
played to dead silence. Edge of Darkness was marketed like Taken 2 but from
what I've heard it wasn't a pleasant viewing experience.
The old formula picture doesn't seem to work at the box office unless they
throw some new spin on it. From Paris With Love was probably a slam dunk once
upon a time but the buddy cop genre seems stale now. I think Kevin Smith's Cop
Out is going to suffer the same fate.
Edgar Wright's Hot Fuzz lampooned the genre but replicated the genre tropes so
well and with so much love it was a joy to watch.
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Kelwyn ravena...@... wrote:
I expected more from Harrison's film because, apparently, he is still a box
office draw. I attend a lot of sneak previews (I am going to see Shutter
Island, tonight. These are typically oversold. The biggest crowd I have seen
this year was for the Ford picture. My date and I arrived an hour early and
could not get into the theater. For comparison, the second biggest crowd I
have seen for one of these was for Sherlock Holmes (which I also did not
get into) and Holmes proved to be a box office success. The Book of Eli was
well attended but the theater was not full and Eli has done respectable
business. I guess that is the problem with Hollywood: you never know.
~rave!
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ wrote:
I think the timing was wrong for all three films. In the case of Ford's
film
they should have waited for the interviews about the movie to happen before
the movie was released. Better still timed it with another medical movie.
It
doesn't help if the movie is mediocre as well.
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Kelwyn ravenadal@ wrote:
Harrison Ford's Extraordinary Measures grosses $12 million (budget:$31
million)
John Travolta's From Paris with Love grosses $17.9 million (budget:$52
million)
Mel Gibson's Edge of Darkness grosses $37 million (budget: $80 million)
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That statement reminds me of John Woo movies. At one time, his name was box office gold. After a string of hits using the same formula, and many people creating carbon copies, his name became synonymous with B-movies. What's he doing these days, has he had a comeback with a new formula? I never hear of him anymore -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of B Smith Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 9:55 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office The old formula picture doesn't seem to work at the box office unless they throw some new spin on it. From Paris With Love was probably a slam dunk once upon a time but the buddy cop genre seems stale now. I think Kevin Smith's Cop Out is going to suffer the same fate. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Kelwyn ravena...@... wrote: I expected more from Harrison's film because, apparently, he is still a box office draw. I attend a lot of sneak previews (I am going to see Shutter Island, tonight. These are typically oversold. The biggest crowd I have seen this year was for the Ford picture. My date and I arrived an hour early and could not get into the theater. For comparison, the second biggest crowd I have seen for one of these was for Sherlock Holmes (which I also did not get into) and Holmes proved to be a box office success. The Book of Eli was well attended but the theater was not full and Eli has done respectable business. I guess that is the problem with Hollywood: you never know. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ wrote: I think the timing was wrong for all three films. In the case of Ford's film they should have waited for the interviews about the movie to happen before the movie was released. Better still timed it with another medical movie. It doesn't help if the movie is mediocre as well. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Kelwyn ravenadal@ wrote: Harrison Ford's Extraordinary Measures grosses $12 million (budget:$31 million) John Travolta's From Paris with Love grosses $17.9 million (budget:$52 million) Mel Gibson's Edge of Darkness grosses $37 million (budget: $80 million) Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa hoo! Groups Links -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa hoo! Groups Links E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/
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Tracey, according to IMDb, he's got a *dozen* movies in development (details available only if you have the Pro version). http://www.imdb.com/name/nm247/ If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 11:00:57 -0800 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office That statement reminds me of John Woo movies. At one time, his name was box office gold. After a string of hits using the same formula, and many people creating carbon copies, his name became synonymous with B-movies. What's he doing these days, has he had a comeback with a new formula? I never hear of him anymore -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of B Smith Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 9:55 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office The old formula picture doesn't seem to work at the box office unless they throw some new spin on it. From Paris With Love was probably a slam dunk once upon a time but the buddy cop genre seems stale now. I think Kevin Smith's Cop Out is going to suffer the same fate. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Kelwyn ravena...@... wrote: I expected more from Harrison's film because, apparently, he is still a box office draw. I attend a lot of sneak previews (I am going to see Shutter Island, tonight. These are typically oversold. The biggest crowd I have seen this year was for the Ford picture. My date and I arrived an hour early and could not get into the theater. For comparison, the second biggest crowd I have seen for one of these was for Sherlock Holmes (which I also did not get into) and Holmes proved to be a box office success. The Book of Eli was well attended but the theater was not full and Eli has done respectable business. I guess that is the problem with Hollywood: you never know. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ wrote: I think the timing was wrong for all three films. In the case of Ford's film they should have waited for the interviews about the movie to happen before the movie was released. Better still timed it with another medical movie. It doesn't help if the movie is mediocre as well. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Kelwyn ravenadal@ wrote: Harrison Ford's Extraordinary Measures grosses $12 million (budget:$31 million) John Travolta's From Paris with Love grosses $17.9 million (budget:$52 million) Mel Gibson's Edge of Darkness grosses $37 million (budget: $80 million) Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa hoo! Groups Links -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa hoo! Groups Links E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/
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I know he works but I never see his stuff in the Block buster track anymore. In fact, I think a lot of his stuff is direct to DVD. Kind of like Wesley Snipes up until recently From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 12:13 PM To: SciFiNoir2 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office Tracey, according to IMDb, he's got a *dozen* movies in development (details available only if you have the Pro version). http://www.imdb.com/name/nm247/ If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik _ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 11:00:57 -0800 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office That statement reminds me of John Woo movies. At one time, his name was box office gold. After a string of hits using the same formula, and many people creating carbon copies, his name became synonymous with B-movies. What's he doing these days, has he had a comeback with a new formula? I never hear of him anymore -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of B Smith Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 9:55 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office The old formula picture doesn't seem to work at the box office unless they throw some new spin on it. From Paris With Love was probably a slam dunk once upon a time but the buddy cop genre seems stale now. I think Kevin Smith's Cop Out is going to suffer the same fate. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Kelwyn ravena...@... wrote: I expected more from Harrison's film because, apparently, he is still a box office draw. I attend a lot of sneak previews (I am going to see Shutter Island, tonight. These are typically oversold. The biggest crowd I have seen this year was for the Ford picture. My date and I arrived an hour early and could not get into the theater. For comparison, the second biggest crowd I have seen for one of these was for Sherlock Holmes (which I also did not get into) and Holmes proved to be a box office success. The Book of Eli was well attended but the theater was not full and Eli has done respectable business. I guess that is the problem with Hollywood: you never know. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ wrote: I think the timing was wrong for all three films. In the case of Ford's film they should have waited for the interviews about the movie to happen before the movie was released. Better still timed it with another medical movie. It doesn't help if the movie is mediocre as well. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Kelwyn ravenadal@ wrote: Harrison Ford's Extraordinary Measures grosses $12 million (budget:$31 million) John Travolta's From Paris with Love grosses $17.9 million (budget:$52 million) Mel Gibson's Edge of Darkness grosses $37 million (budget: $80 million) Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa hoo! Groups Links -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa hoo! Groups Links E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/ now. E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/
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Some movies are too hard to sum up in a 30 second trailer. They just don't have the catch phrases to use that way. I think that this is a good time for new blood in hollywood, but I also think that the industry as a whole has become so bogged down in antiquated thinking that they will never change unless the studios start going under. I think Sherlock Holmes did well because it is so old that it is new again. The last Sherlock movie was done in the late 70s or 80s. (not counting the PBS series) What I hope doesn't happen is that studios will start digging up old scripts of other detectives or something similar. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: I keep having this chicken or the egg dialog on this. Are studios having to market a certain way to get audiences, or do audiences respond to certain movies because studios are increasingly marketing a certain way? The movie Brothers is a good example. That's the flick with Jake Gyllenhaal and Tobey Maguire. By all accounts, it's a good character study of a family in turmoil after supposedly dead soldier comes home, bringing his demons with him. I've heard lots of praise for all the actors. But all the trailers played up the action part. All i kept seeing in the trailers was Gyllenhaal and Natalie Portman's forbidden kiss, and scenes of Maguire acting like a lunatic, breaking glasses, standing around waving a gun, crazed. The movie's so much more than that, but you wouldn't know it from those trailers. - Original Message - From: B Smith daikaij...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 12:55:20 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office The reaction to the trailer for the Harrison Ford movie spoke volumes. It played to dead silence. Edge of Darkness was marketed like Taken 2 but from what I've heard it wasn't a pleasant viewing experience. The old formula picture doesn't seem to work at the box office unless they throw some new spin on it. From Paris With Love was probably a slam dunk once upon a time but the buddy cop genre seems stale now. I think Kevin Smith's Cop Out is going to suffer the same fate. Edgar Wright's Hot Fuzz lampooned the genre but replicated the genre tropes so well and with so much love it was a joy to watch. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com, Kelwyn ravena...@... wrote: I expected more from Harrison's film because, apparently, he is still a box office draw. I attend a lot of sneak previews (I am going to see Shutter Island, tonight. These are typically oversold. The biggest crowd I have seen this year was for the Ford picture. My date and I arrived an hour early and could not get into the theater. For comparison, the second biggest crowd I have seen for one of these was for Sherlock Holmes (which I also did not get into) and Holmes proved to be a box office success. The Book of Eli was well attended but the theater was not full and Eli has done respectable business. I guess that is the problem with Hollywood: you never know. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ wrote: I think the timing was wrong for all three films. In the case of Ford's film they should have waited for the interviews about the movie to happen before the movie was released. Better still timed it with another medical movie. It doesn't help if the movie is mediocre as well. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Kelwyn ravenadal@ wrote: Harrison Ford's Extraordinary Measures grosses $12 million (budget:$31 million) John Travolta's From Paris with Love grosses $17.9 million (budget:$52 million) Mel Gibson's Edge of Darkness grosses $37 million (budget: $80 million) Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo ! Groups Links -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office
That's good to know about Woo. I never saw it , but I heard good things about Windtalkers. I think I saw a Moseley work in a scifi anthology recently -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kelwyn Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 2:33 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office Although he was great at it (Face Off), John Woo was not a fan of the formulaic movies he was making. After MI-2, he thought he had the cachet to make the kind of movie he wanted. He made Windtalkers (2002) a well-intentioned movie starring Nicholas Cage that took in $77 million worldwide ($40 million in America) on a budget of $115 million. Windtalkers is his Heaven's Gate. This is why I don't write that urban lit shit even though I know I can get it published - I don't want to HAVE to write it. It is hard to get out of any ghetto. Walter Mosley wants to write SF but he wrote the Easy Rawlins' novels to get published. Now he is pigeon-holed as a detective fiction writer. It ain't terrible; but it ain't good, either. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: That statement reminds me of John Woo movies. At one time, his name was box office gold. After a string of hits using the same formula, and many people creating carbon copies, his name became synonymous with B-movies. What's he doing these days, has he had a comeback with a new formula? I never hear of him anymore -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of B Smith Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 9:55 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office The old formula picture doesn't seem to work at the box office unless they throw some new spin on it. From Paris With Love was probably a slam dunk once upon a time but the buddy cop genre seems stale now. I think Kevin Smith's Cop Out is going to suffer the same fate. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Kelwyn ravenadal@ wrote: I expected more from Harrison's film because, apparently, he is still a box office draw. I attend a lot of sneak previews (I am going to see Shutter Island, tonight. These are typically oversold. The biggest crowd I have seen this year was for the Ford picture. My date and I arrived an hour early and could not get into the theater. For comparison, the second biggest crowd I have seen for one of these was for Sherlock Holmes (which I also did not get into) and Holmes proved to be a box office success. The Book of Eli was well attended but the theater was not full and Eli has done respectable business. I guess that is the problem with Hollywood: you never know. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ wrote: I think the timing was wrong for all three films. In the case of Ford's film they should have waited for the interviews about the movie to happen before the movie was released. Better still timed it with another medical movie. It doesn't help if the movie is mediocre as well. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Kelwyn ravenadal@ wrote: Harrison Ford's Extraordinary Measures grosses $12 million (budget:$31 million) John Travolta's From Paris with Love grosses $17.9 million (budget:$52 million) Mel Gibson's Edge of Darkness grosses $37 million (budget: $80 million) Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa hoo! Groups Links -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa hoo! Groups Links E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa hoo! Groups Links E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/
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Sorry, i love the Easy Rawlins novels. Great characters, great mysteries. I can see how it might have gotten him pigeonholed, though... - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 5:33:20 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office Although he was great at it (Face Off), John Woo was not a fan of the formulaic movies he was making. After MI-2, he thought he had the cachet to make the kind of movie he wanted. He made Windtalkers (2002) a well-intentioned movie starring Nicholas Cage that took in $77 million worldwide ($40 million in America) on a budget of $115 million. Windtalkers is his Heaven's Gate. This is why I don't write that urban lit shit even though I know I can get it published - I don't want to HAVE to write it. It is hard to get out of any ghetto. Walter Mosley wants to write SF but he wrote the Easy Rawlins' novels to get published. Now he is pigeon-holed as a detective fiction writer. It ain't terrible; but it ain't good, either. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: That statement reminds me of John Woo movies. At one time, his name was box office gold. After a string of hits using the same formula, and many people creating carbon copies, his name became synonymous with B-movies. What's he doing these days, has he had a comeback with a new formula? I never hear of him anymore -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of B Smith Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 9:55 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office The old formula picture doesn't seem to work at the box office unless they throw some new spin on it. From Paris With Love was probably a slam dunk once upon a time but the buddy cop genre seems stale now. I think Kevin Smith's Cop Out is going to suffer the same fate. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Kelwyn ravenadal@ wrote: I expected more from Harrison's film because, apparently, he is still a box office draw. I attend a lot of sneak previews (I am going to see Shutter Island, tonight. These are typically oversold. The biggest crowd I have seen this year was for the Ford picture. My date and I arrived an hour early and could not get into the theater. For comparison, the second biggest crowd I have seen for one of these was for Sherlock Holmes (which I also did not get into) and Holmes proved to be a box office success. The Book of Eli was well attended but the theater was not full and Eli has done respectable business. I guess that is the problem with Hollywood: you never know. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ wrote: I think the timing was wrong for all three films. In the case of Ford's film they should have waited for the interviews about the movie to happen before the movie was released. Better still timed it with another medical movie. It doesn't help if the movie is mediocre as well. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Kelwyn ravenadal@ wrote: Harrison Ford's Extraordinary Measures grosses $12 million (budget:$31 million) John Travolta's From Paris with Love grosses $17.9 million (budget:$52 million) Mel Gibson's Edge of Darkness grosses $37 million (budget: $80 million) Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa hoo! Groups Links -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa hoo! Groups Links E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/
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His most recent film is Red Cliff, which I posted on just a few weeks back.
It comes in a four hour version, which was released in Asia, and a shortened
two-plus hour versions, which was released in the States. I'm looking for the
longer version now.
http://www.redclifffilm.com/
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From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 2:00:57 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box
Office
That statement reminds me of John Woo movies. At one time, his name was box
office gold. After a string of hits using the same formula, and many people
creating carbon copies, his name became synonymous with B-movies.
What's he doing these days, has he had a comeback with a new formula? I
never hear of him anymore
-Original Message-
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On
Behalf Of B Smith
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 9:55 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box
Office
The old formula picture doesn't seem to work at the box office unless they
throw some new spin on it. From Paris With Love was probably a slam dunk
once upon a time but the buddy cop genre seems stale now. I think Kevin
Smith's Cop Out is going to suffer the same fate.
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Kelwyn ravena...@... wrote:
I expected more from Harrison's film because, apparently, he is still a
box office draw. I attend a lot of sneak previews (I am going to see
Shutter Island, tonight. These are typically oversold. The biggest crowd
I have seen this year was for the Ford picture. My date and I arrived an
hour early and could not get into the theater. For comparison, the second
biggest crowd I have seen for one of these was for Sherlock Holmes (which
I also did not get into) and Holmes proved to be a box office success. The
Book of Eli was well attended but the theater was not full and Eli has
done respectable business. I guess that is the problem with Hollywood: you
never know.
~rave!
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ wrote:
I think the timing was wrong for all three films. In the case of Ford's
film
they should have waited for the interviews about the movie to happen
before
the movie was released. Better still timed it with another medical
movie. It
doesn't help if the movie is mediocre as well.
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Kelwyn ravenadal@ wrote:
Harrison Ford's Extraordinary Measures grosses $12 million
(budget:$31
million)
John Travolta's From Paris with Love grosses $17.9 million
(budget:$52
million)
Mel Gibson's Edge of Darkness grosses $37 million (budget: $80
million)
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I agree. I have read that about that from a couple of different foreign directors. The company marketing people often have more input in a film than the writers, actors, and directors do. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:58 PM, B Smith daikaij...@yahoo.com wrote: If Windtalkers was Woo's Heaven's Gate was Paycheck his Year of the Dragon, The Sicilian or Desparate Hours? LOL Woo went back to Hog Kong and just had a big comeback. His epic film Red Cliff did great worldwide box office. I think he and most HK directors didn't mesh well with the American studio style. Also HK melodrama mixed in with awesome action just doesn't play the same way in English. ;) Supposedly he is doing some more American films in the near future. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Kelwyn ravena...@... wrote: Although he was great at it (Face Off), John Woo was not a fan of the formulaic movies he was making. After MI-2, he thought he had the cachet to make the kind of movie he wanted. He made Windtalkers (2002) a well-intentioned movie starring Nicholas Cage that took in $77 million worldwide ($40 million in America) on a budget of $115 million. Windtalkers is his Heaven's Gate. This is why I don't write that urban lit shit even though I know I can get it published - I don't want to HAVE to write it. It is hard to get out of any ghetto. Walter Mosley wants to write SF but he wrote the Easy Rawlins' novels to get published. Now he is pigeon-holed as a detective fiction writer. It ain't terrible; but it ain't good, either. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ wrote: That statement reminds me of John Woo movies. At one time, his name was box office gold. After a string of hits using the same formula, and many people creating carbon copies, his name became synonymous with B-movies. What's he doing these days, has he had a comeback with a new formula? I never hear of him anymore -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of B Smith Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 9:55 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office The old formula picture doesn't seem to work at the box office unless they throw some new spin on it. From Paris With Love was probably a slam dunk once upon a time but the buddy cop genre seems stale now. I think Kevin Smith's Cop Out is going to suffer the same fate. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Kelwyn ravenadal@ wrote: I expected more from Harrison's film because, apparently, he is still a box office draw. I attend a lot of sneak previews (I am going to see Shutter Island, tonight. These are typically oversold. The biggest crowd I have seen this year was for the Ford picture. My date and I arrived an hour early and could not get into the theater. For comparison, the second biggest crowd I have seen for one of these was for Sherlock Holmes (which I also did not get into) and Holmes proved to be a box office success. The Book of Eli was well attended but the theater was not full and Eli has done respectable business. I guess that is the problem with Hollywood: you never know. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ wrote: I think the timing was wrong for all three films. In the case of Ford's film they should have waited for the interviews about the movie to happen before the movie was released. Better still timed it with another medical movie. It doesn't help if the movie is mediocre as well. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Kelwyn ravenadal@ wrote: Harrison Ford's Extraordinary Measures grosses $12 million (budget:$31 million) John Travolta's From Paris with Love grosses $17.9 million (budget:$52 million) Mel Gibson's Edge of Darkness grosses $37 million (budget: $80 million) Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa hoo! Groups Links -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa hoo! Groups Links E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380
