Re: [scifinoir2] Re: I, Too, Sing America

2009-01-22 Thread Amy Harlib

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You guys are all making really important points.
Thanks!
Peace,
Amy

Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: I, Too, Sing America


I can only speak for myself but I was struck by the sea of American
 flags waving in unison for a number of reasons.  I stopped reciting
 the Pledge of Allegiance in the third grade, the same year my sister
 and I became the only children of African-American descent at the
 public grade school my mother somehow had managed to enroll us in.

 The city of Milwaukee had something called intact busing where they
 would take an entire class of black children from an overcrowded
 inner city school and bus them intact to a white school where they
 would have no contact with the white student body.  They would arrive
 after the white students were in class and be ushered to a classroom
 in the basement - then they would be escorted out of their basement
 classroom and back to their bus before the white children were
 excused for the day.  I would watch this daily spectacle from the
 window of my second floor classroom.  Henceforth, I would choke on
 the words with liberty and justice for all.  Couldn't say it.
 Refused to say it.

 When George Foreman waved a tiny American flag when he won the gold
 medal, I thought, sellout.  I was glad when Muhammad Ali knocked
 him out.

 In the movie Rocky, when Apollo Creed came dancing into the ring
 wearing his red, white and blue trunks and his Uncle Sam hat, I
 thought, you punk.

 When they play the national anthem at sporting events I attend, I
 never stand and I never remove my hat.

 Last night, when I went to see the Milwaukee Bucks annihilate the
 Dallas Mavericks (133-99), I didn't put my hand over my heart or
 remove my hat but I did stand in silence.  In respect.  In
 acknowledgement.

 ~rave!

 --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, keithbjohn...@... wrote:

 Well said. One slight correction though: it wasn't for the first
 time we were proud to be Americans; it was the first time we were
 *really* proud to be Americans. There's a difference. I think blacks
 have always loved this country, always been proud to be American, but
 been saddened and upset by how it's fallen short of its promises.
 It's like having a child that you love, that has so much potential,
 but hasn't yet found his or her course in life. I've even heard
 parents say, I've always loved my son, always been proud of him, but
 i'm really really proud of him for the first time.

 Frankly, by dint of volunteering for the military, by playing by
 the rules, by raising our kids to worship a God and support a country
 into which we were frankly dragged in chains, I think black Americans
 can be said to have shown more genuine patriotism, more faith in this
 country, than any other group.  (Except perhaps Natives). I hope more
 people get that message, but there are always the doubters: witness
 Rush Limbaugh's I hope Obama fails rant.  Sigh...

 Again, well said.
  -- Original message --
 From: ravenadal ravena...@...
  I, Too, Sing America
 
  In the tapestry that was the throng blanketing the public
 concourse
  stretching from the Lincoln Memorial to the portico where
 President
  Barack Hussein Obama took the oath of office, I was struck by a
  strange and incongruous sight: a sea of black people waving tiny
  American flags.  What bizarro world was this?  Black people waving
  American flags?  Get the flux out of here!  And yet, there they
 were,
  waving their red, white and blue flags proudly, enthusiastically
 and
  full of the vigor of having obtained their full statehood rights.
  First Lady Michelle Obama was vilified for voicing an opinion
 similar
  to what these people were so obviously demonstrating: for the
 first
  time in their adult lives, they were proud to be Americans.
 
  ~rave!
 
 
 




 

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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: I, Too, Sing America

2009-01-22 Thread KeithBJohnson
Sorry for what you and your sister experienced. I wonder how many times that or 
a similar story's been played out over the decades?  That's one reason that 
even now, I'm not in favor of black kids growing up or going to school in 
all-white environments if it can be helped. It's gotten better, no doubt. And, 
if the only good education to be gotten is at such a school, then you have to 
do what you have to do. But I still think it's healthy to be around those who 
look like you, share your unique history and culture. Mixed neighborhoods (I 
live in one) and schools are fine, but I still don't get the need for people of 
color to be sent to--or seek out--an environment in which our children are the 
only children of color in a particular group. I knew some people who sent their 
kid to an all white school,and the kid came home one day and complained about 
being too dark. What followed was a lot of issues about trying to teach the 
child to love being black. Yeah, yeah: i know we're all post
-racial now...

If I'd had the same experience, I'd probably feel much the same way as you. 
Indeed, I have some of the same conflicted feelings you have. I've always risen 
for the flag, put my hand on my heart during the Pledge, and National Anthem. 
But, given the racism my dad saw, and that I  and my brothers experienced, I've 
felt conflicted as well.  Thank God they changed the Georgia flag before I 
moved here, 'cause if I'd ever been in a situation where I'd been asked to 
stand when the flag had the Stars and Bars it wouldn't have been pretty. 

My experiences were different. My older brothers integrated the Fort Worth 
schools, so by the time I started, blacks had been mixing with whites for a few 
years. We were in the minority, for sure, and I definitely dealt with racist 
teachers and students.  But the kind of overt hatred, fear, and separation you 
experienced came before me. (Over in Dallas, they were fighting those battles 
long after Fort Worth had at least arrived at a sort of acceptance). My older 
brother was called four eyed n- when he was in elementary, but by the 
time I got there, he and my other brother had prepared the way for me. All my 
teachers from elementary to high school knew my brothers, and had great respect 
for them.  Indeed, I was one of the guys who posted the colors before assembly 
when I was in elementary school. All my classes were integrated, black and 
white kids played and ate together, and i had a lot of black teachers, as well 
as white ones. My best friend in first grade was a white kid, 
and the first two or three little girls who liked me were white. 

Problems? Oh yeah: teachers who told me I was a credit to my race, teachers 
who were mean to black kids, a whole lot of white kids with bigoted parents, 
lots of racists in the area (a white girl I used to walk home was told i'd be 
shot if I did it again). But I saw enough good people, had enough good white 
folk who helped me, for me to always look for the positives in America, even as 
the bad sickened me. When I said the Pledge, it was for the good the country 
had, and the good I knew was coming, and that flag? I could and can salute the 
*spirit* of what it represents, even as the *practice* often falls far short.  



 -- Original message --
From: ravenadal ravena...@yahoo.com
 I can only speak for myself but I was struck by the sea of American 
 flags waving in unison for a number of reasons.  I stopped reciting 
 the Pledge of Allegiance in the third grade, the same year my sister 
 and I became the only children of African-American descent at the 
 public grade school my mother somehow had managed to enroll us in. 
  
 The city of Milwaukee had something called intact busing where they 
 would take an entire class of black children from an overcrowded 
 inner city school and bus them intact to a white school where they 
 would have no contact with the white student body.  They would arrive 
 after the white students were in class and be ushered to a classroom 
 in the basement - then they would be escorted out of their basement 
 classroom and back to their bus before the white children were 
 excused for the day.  I would watch this daily spectacle from the 
 window of my second floor classroom.  Henceforth, I would choke on 
 the words with liberty and justice for all.  Couldn't say it.  
 Refused to say it.
 
 When George Foreman waved a tiny American flag when he won the gold 
 medal, I thought, sellout.  I was glad when Muhammad Ali knocked 
 him out.
 
 In the movie Rocky, when Apollo Creed came dancing into the ring 
 wearing his red, white and blue trunks and his Uncle Sam hat, I 
 thought, you punk.
 
 When they play the national anthem at sporting events I attend, I 
 never stand and I never remove my hat.  
 
 Last night, when I went to see the Milwaukee Bucks annihilate the 
 Dallas Mavericks (133-99), I didn't put my hand over my heart or 
 remove my hat but