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... or Dig Dug with Will Ferrell. There's another nightmare for the pile... -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: In the Name of the King: A Dungeon Siege Tale Date : Tue, 7 Jul 2009 19:22:29 -0400 From : wlro...@aol.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Well, it could be worst. A live version of Pac-Man. Or Dig Dug with Will Farrell (sp). --Lavender From: Daryle Lockhart Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 12:49 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: In the Name of the King: A Dungeon Siege Tale That might explain why Universal insists on greenlighting these Hasbro game movies, and are now moving on to Atari, having just greenlit Asteroids. Anybody wanna go in with me on a treatment for Bezerk or Defender? Tempest? Anyone? On Jul 6, 2009, at 12:41 PM, ravenadal wrote: It has been my humble opinion that Hollywood has long operated as a washing machine to clean mob money. One of the biggest sausage factories of the last millenium, Universal Pictures, was long run by Lew Wasserman who began by booking talent into mob operated night clubs and had more than a few mob connections. Today, actors often scoff when they hear what they were allegedly paid to star in a movie because they likely received half of that amount. The rest is the money being laundered. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf wrote: There may be something like that already going on in Hollywood. There are a number of films that they know as soon as they are green lit that they will fail. Frankenhood and Soulplane come to mind. There are also others with white casts that also are made to loose money too. I suspect that they are being used as a write off. At least I hope that they are. There are way too many really bad films making it to the scifi channel that have moderate sized budgets that should have never been made. Like HG Wells War of the Worlds 1 and 2! (Yes. You read that right. They made two!) On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 4:23 AM, Daryle Lockhart wrote: Obsessed is a Black film, actually. This loophole in finance Uwe has been ridin g is something Black filmmakers could/should use to make larger budget films in other countries. There are so many horror scripts that don' t get made in Hollywood that could be getting done in Europe! On Jul 5, 2009, at 11:05 AM, ravenadal wrote: I am watching something called In the Name of the King: A Dungeon Siege Tale on Showtime. The movie stars Jason Statham and the cast includes such stellar actors as Ron (Hellboy) Perlman, Ray (Goodfellas) Liotta - shamelessly chewing up scenery as Gallion, the prolific John Rhys-Davies, Burt Smokey and the Bandit Reynolds, Claire Meet Joe Black Forlani, Leelee (Deep Impact) Sobieski and Brian J. White (The Shield, Moonlight) wearing a nasty looking scar as Commander Tarish. The movie is directed by German born schlockmiester Uwe Boll, best known for his BloodRayne movies. I had never heard of this movie so I went to IMDB, Box Office Mojo and Wikipedia and discovered In the Name of the King cost $60 million and grossed a robust $13 million worldwide. Then I discoverd the first BloodRayne cost $25 million and grossed a whopping $2.42 million. WTF! Then I discovered that Boll is very successfully manipulating a lucrative loophole in German tax laws. Boll is able to acquire funding thanks to German tax laws that reward investments in film. The law allows investors in German-owned films to write off 100% of their investment as a tax deduction; it also allows them to invest borrowed money and write off any fees associated with the loan. The investor is then only required to pay taxes on the profits made by the movie; if the movie loses money, the investor gets a tax writeoff. Imagine, thought I, if black filmmakers were able to exploit such a loophole? Everybody KNOWS black films don't make money. What an excellent opportunity to make all the black epics everyone dreams of but nobody dares risk the money to make. What a bonanza! You could hire all the known but under utilized black actors and actresses - pay them top dollar - WTF? We are TRYING to lose money after all! Let Vin Diesel make his Hannibal. Let Spike Lee make his Tuskegee Airmen. Let the Hughes Brothers make whatever they want. Hell, let me film The World Ebon. Shoot, I could burn through a coupla hundred million dollars real quick! Imagine the mishmash of casts you could come up with! What would be your dream project? ~rave! http://twitter.com/ravenadal http://theworldebon.blogspot.com -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ People may lie, but the evidence
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Ha! Dig Dug with Will Ferrell! Aubrey Leatherwood www.aubreyleatherwood.com FaceBook * MySpace Imperfection A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love... and perfect sex. The People You Know, The Sex They Have ROMANTIC TIMES NOMINEE FOR BEST CONTEMPORARY EROTICA 2008 ISBN: 978-0-9818905-0-0 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: truthseeker...@lycos.com Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 08:37:05 -0400 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: In the Name of the King: A Dungeon Siege Tale ... or Dig Dug with Will Ferrell. There's another nightmare for the pile... -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: In the Name of the King: A Dungeon Siege Tale Date : Tue, 7 Jul 2009 19:22:29 -0400 From : wlro...@aol.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Well, it could be worst. A live version of Pac-Man. Or Dig Dug with Will Farrell (sp). --Lavender From: Daryle Lockhart Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 12:49 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: In the Name of the King: A Dungeon Siege Tale That might explain why Universal insists on greenlighting these Hasbro game movies, and are now moving on to Atari, having just greenlit Asteroids. Anybody wanna go in with me on a treatment for Bezerk or Defender? Tempest? Anyone? On Jul 6, 2009, at 12:41 PM, ravenadal wrote: It has been my humble opinion that Hollywood has long operated as a washing machine to clean mob money. One of the biggest sausage factories of the last millenium, Universal Pictures, was long run by Lew Wasserman who began by booking talent into mob operated night clubs and had more than a few mob connections. Today, actors often scoff when they hear what they were allegedly paid to star in a movie because they likely received half of that amount. The rest is the money being laundered. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf wrote: There may be something like that already going on in Hollywood. There are a number of films that they know as soon as they are green lit that they will fail. Frankenhood and Soulplane come to mind. There are also others with white casts that also are made to loose money too. I suspect that they are being used as a write off. At least I hope that they are. There are way too many really bad films making it to the scifi channel that have moderate sized budgets that should have never been made. Like HG Wells War of the Worlds 1 and 2! (Yes. You read that right. They made two!) On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 4:23 AM, Daryle Lockhart wrote: Obsessed is a Black film, actually. This loophole in finance Uwe has been ridin g is something Black filmmakers could/should use to make larger budget films in other countries. There are so many horror scripts that don' t get made in Hollywood that could be getting done in Europe! On Jul 5, 2009, at 11:05 AM, ravenadal wrote: I am watching something called In the Name of the King: A Dungeon Siege Tale on Showtime. The movie stars Jason Statham and the cast includes such stellar actors as Ron (Hellboy) Perlman, Ray (Goodfellas) Liotta - shamelessly chewing up scenery as Gallion, the prolific John Rhys-Davies, Burt Smokey and the Bandit Reynolds, Claire Meet Joe Black Forlani, Leelee (Deep Impact) Sobieski and Brian J. White (The Shield, Moonlight) wearing a nasty looking scar as Commander Tarish. The movie is directed by German born schlockmiester Uwe Boll, best known for his BloodRayne movies. I had never heard of this movie so I went to IMDB, Box Office Mojo and Wikipedia and discovered In the Name of the King cost $60 million and grossed a robust $13 million worldwide. Then I discoverd the first BloodRayne cost $25 million and grossed a whopping $2.42 million. WTF! Then I discovered that Boll is very successfully manipulating a lucrative loophole in German tax laws. Boll is able to acquire funding thanks to German tax laws that reward investments in film. The law allows investors in German-owned films to write off 100% of their investment as a tax deduction; it also allows them to invest borrowed money and write off any fees associated with the loan. The investor is then only required to pay taxes on the profits made by the movie; if the movie loses money, the investor gets a tax writeoff. Imagine, thought I, if black filmmakers were able to exploit such a loophole? Everybody KNOWS black films don't make money. What an excellent opportunity to make all the black epics everyone dreams of but nobody dares risk the money to make. What a bonanza! You could hire all the known but under utilized black actors and actresses - pay them top dollar - WTF? We are TRYING to lose money after all! Let Vin Diesel make his Hannibal. Let Spike Lee make his Tuskegee Airmen. Let the Hughes Brothers make whatever they want. Hell, let me film
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On a slightly different tack... http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/07/02/brad-caleb-kane-writing-view-master-alien-movie/ (apologies -- hotlinking on vacation) No, true believers -- your eyes do not deceive you. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: In the Name of the King: A Dungeon Siege Tale Date : Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:26:07 -0400 (EDT) From : Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I was thinking Pitfall personally. Or am I too late for that? -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: In the Name of the King: A Dungeon Siege Tale Date : Mon, 6 Jul 2009 12:49:39 -0400 From : Daryle Lockhart dar...@darylelockhart.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com That might explain why Universal insists on greenlighting these Hasbro game movies, and are now moving on to Atari, having just greenlit Asteroids. Anybody wanna go in with me on a treatment for Bezerk or Defender? Tempest? Anyone? On Jul 6, 2009, at 12:41 PM, ravenadal wrote: It has been my humble opinion that Hollywood has long operated as a washing machine to clean mob money. One of the biggest sausage factories of the last millenium, Universal Pictures, was long run by Lew Wasserman who began by booking talent into mob operated night clubs and had more than a few mob connections. Today, actors often scoff when they hear what they were allegedly paid to star in a movie because they likely received half of that amount. The rest is the money being laundered. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf wrote: There may be something like that already going on in Hollywood. There are a number of films that they know as soon as they are green lit that they will fail. Frankenhood and Soulplane come to mind. There are also others with white casts that also are made to loose money too. I suspect that they are being used as a write off. At least I hope that they are. There are way too many really bad films making it to the scifi channel that have moderate sized budgets that should have never been made. Like HG Wells War of the Worlds 1 and 2! (Yes. You read that right. They made two!) On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 4:23 AM, Daryle Lockhart wrote: Obsessed is a Black film, actually. This loophole in finance Uwe has been riding is something Black filmmakers could/should use to make larger budget films in other countries. There are so many horror scripts that don' t get made in Hollywood that could be getting done in Europe! On Jul 5, 2009, at 11:05 AM, ravenadal wrote: I am watching something called In the Name of the King: A Dungeon Siege Tale on Showtime. The movie stars Jason Statham and the cast includes such stellar actors as Ron (Hellboy) Perlman, Ray (Goodfellas) Liotta - shamelessly chewing up scenery as Gallion, the prolific John Rhys-Davies, Burt Smokey and the Bandit Reynolds, Claire Meet Joe Black Forlani, Leelee (Deep Impact) Sobieski and Brian J. White (The Shield, Moonlight) wearing a nasty looking scar as Commander Tarish. The movie is directed by German born schlockmiester Uwe Boll, best known for his BloodRayne movies. I had never heard of this movie so I went to IMDB, Box Office Mojo and Wikipedia and discovered In the Name of the King cost $60 million and grossed a robust $13 million worldwide. Then I discoverd the first BloodRayne cost $25 million and grossed a whopping $2.42 million. WTF! Then I discovered that Boll is very successfully manipulating a lucrative loophole in German tax laws. Boll is able to acquire funding thanks to German tax laws that reward investments in film. The law allows investors in German-owned films to write off 100% of their investment as a tax deduction; it also allows them to invest borrowed money and write off any fees associated with the loan. The investor is then only required to pay taxes on the profits made by the movie; if the movie loses money, the investor gets a tax writeoff. Imagine, thought I, if black filmmakers were able to exploit such a loophole? Everybody KNOWS black films don't make money. What an excellent opportunity to make all the black epics everyone dreams of but nobody dares risk the money to make. What a bonanza! You could hire all the known but under utilized black actors and actresses - pay them top dollar - WTF? We are TRYING to lose money after all! Let Vin Diesel make his Hannibal. Let Spike Lee make his Tuskegee Airmen. Let the Hughes Brothers make whatever they want. Hell, let me film The World Ebon. Shoot, I could burn through a coupla hundred million dollars real quick! Imagine the mishmash of casts you could come up with! What would be your dream
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: In the Name of the King: A Dungeon Siege Tale
Well, it could be worst. A live version of Pac-Man. Or Dig Dug with Will Farrell (sp). --Lavender From: Daryle Lockhart Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 12:49 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: In the Name of the King: A Dungeon Siege Tale That might explain why Universal insists on greenlighting these Hasbro game movies, and are now moving on to Atari, having just greenlit Asteroids. Anybody wanna go in with me on a treatment for Bezerk or Defender? Tempest? Anyone? On Jul 6, 2009, at 12:41 PM, ravenadal wrote: It has been my humble opinion that Hollywood has long operated as a washing machine to clean mob money. One of the biggest sausage factories of the last millenium, Universal Pictures, was long run by Lew Wasserman who began by booking talent into mob operated night clubs and had more than a few mob connections. Today, actors often scoff when they hear what they were allegedly paid to star in a movie because they likely received half of that amount. The rest is the money being laundered. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... wrote: There may be something like that already going on in Hollywood. There are a number of films that they know as soon as they are green lit that they will fail. Frankenhood and Soulplane come to mind. There are also others with white casts that also are made to loose money too. I suspect that they are being used as a write off. At least I hope that they are. There are way too many really bad films making it to the scifi channel that have moderate sized budgets that should have never been made. Like HG Wells War of the Worlds 1 and 2! (Yes. You read that right. They made two!) On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 4:23 AM, Daryle Lockhart dar...@...wrote: Obsessed is a Black film, actually. This loophole in finance Uwe has been ridin g is something Black filmmakers could/should use to make larger budget films in other countries. There are so many horror scripts that don' t get made in Hollywood that could be getting done in Europe! On Jul 5, 2009, at 11:05 AM, ravenadal wrote: I am watching something called In the Name of the King: A Dungeon Siege Tale on Showtime. The movie stars Jason Statham and the cast includes such stellar actors as Ron (Hellboy) Perlman, Ray (Goodfellas) Liotta - shamelessly chewing up scenery as Gallion, the prolific John Rhys-Davies, Burt Smokey and the Bandit Reynolds, Claire Meet Joe Black Forlani, Leelee (Deep Impact) Sobieski and Brian J. White (The Shield, Moonlight) wearing a nasty looking scar as Commander Tarish. The movie is directed by German born schlockmiester Uwe Boll, best known for his BloodRayne movies. I had never heard of this movie so I went to IMDB, Box Office Mojo and Wikipedia and discovered In the Name of the King cost $60 million and grossed a robust $13 million worldwide. Then I discoverd the first BloodRayne cost $25 million and grossed a whopping $2.42 million. WTF! Then I discovered that Boll is very successfully manipulating a lucrative loophole in German tax laws. Boll is able to acquire funding thanks to German tax laws that reward investments in film. The law allows investors in German-owned films to write off 100% of their investment as a tax deduction; it also allows them to invest borrowed money and write off any fees associated with the loan. The investor is then only required to pay taxes on the profits made by the movie; if the movie loses money, the investor gets a tax writeoff. Imagine, thought I, if black filmmakers were able to exploit such a loophole? Everybody KNOWS black films don't make money. What an excellent opportunity to make all the black epics everyone dreams of but nobody dares risk the money to make. What a bonanza! You could hire all the known but under utilized black actors and actresses - pay them top dollar - WTF? We are TRYING to lose money after all! Let Vin Diesel make his Hannibal. Let Spike Lee make his Tuskegee Airmen. Let the Hughes Brothers make whatever they want. Hell, let me film The World Ebon. Shoot, I could burn through a coupla hundred million dollars real quick! Imagine the mishmash of casts you could come up with! What would be your dream project? ~rave! http://twitter.com/ravenadal http://theworldebon.blogspot.com -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ People may lie, but the evidence rarely does.
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That might explain why Universal insists on greenlighting these Hasbro game movies, and are now moving on to Atari, having just greenlit Asteroids. Anybody wanna go in with me on a treatment for Bezerk or Defender? Tempest? Anyone? On Jul 6, 2009, at 12:41 PM, ravenadal wrote: It has been my humble opinion that Hollywood has long operated as a washing machine to clean mob money. One of the biggest sausage factories of the last millenium, Universal Pictures, was long run by Lew Wasserman who began by booking talent into mob operated night clubs and had more than a few mob connections. Today, actors often scoff when they hear what they were allegedly paid to star in a movie because they likely received half of that amount. The rest is the money being laundered. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... wrote: There may be something like that already going on in Hollywood. There are a number of films that they know as soon as they are green lit that they will fail. Frankenhood and Soulplane come to mind. There are also others with white casts that also are made to loose money too. I suspect that they are being used as a write off. At least I hope that they are. There are way too many really bad films making it to the scifi channel that have moderate sized budgets that should have never been made. Like HG Wells War of the Worlds 1 and 2! (Yes. You read that right. They made two!) On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 4:23 AM, Daryle Lockhart dar...@...wrote: Obsessed is a Black film, actually. This loophole in finance Uwe has been riding is something Black filmmakers could/should use to make larger budget films in other countries. There are so many horror scripts that don' t get made in Hollywood that could be getting done in Europe! On Jul 5, 2009, at 11:05 AM, ravenadal wrote: I am watching something called In the Name of the King: A Dungeon Siege Tale on Showtime. The movie stars Jason Statham and the cast includes such stellar actors as Ron (Hellboy) Perlman, Ray (Goodfellas) Liotta - shamelessly chewing up scenery as Gallion, the prolific John Rhys-Davies, Burt Smokey and the Bandit Reynolds, Claire Meet Joe Black Forlani, Leelee (Deep Impact) Sobieski and Brian J. White (The Shield, Moonlight) wearing a nasty looking scar as Commander Tarish. The movie is directed by German born schlockmiester Uwe Boll, best known for his BloodRayne movies. I had never heard of this movie so I went to IMDB, Box Office Mojo and Wikipedia and discovered In the Name of the King cost $60 million and grossed a robust $13 million worldwide. Then I discoverd the first BloodRayne cost $25 million and grossed a whopping $2.42 million. WTF! Then I discovered that Boll is very successfully manipulating a lucrative loophole in German tax laws. Boll is able to acquire funding thanks to German tax laws that reward investments in film. The law allows investors in German-owned films to write off 100% of their investment as a tax deduction; it also allows them to invest borrowed money and write off any fees associated with the loan. The investor is then only required to pay taxes on the profits made by the movie; if the movie loses money, the investor gets a tax writeoff. Imagine, thought I, if black filmmakers were able to exploit such a loophole? Everybody KNOWS black films don't make money. What an excellent opportunity to make all the black epics everyone dreams of but nobody dares risk the money to make. What a bonanza! You could hire all the known but under utilized black actors and actresses - pay them top dollar - WTF? We are TRYING to lose money after all! Let Vin Diesel make his Hannibal. Let Spike Lee make his Tuskegee Airmen. Let the Hughes Brothers make whatever they want. Hell, let me film The World Ebon. Shoot, I could burn through a coupla hundred million dollars real quick! Imagine the mishmash of casts you could come up with! What would be your dream project? ~rave! http://twitter.com/ravenadal http://theworldebon.blogspot.com -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
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Uh oh. How do you say Leonard Parts 1-5 in German? On Jul 6, 2009, at 12:50 PM, ravenadal wrote: You find an international tax lawyer able to cobble together a cabal of Germans seeking tax relief and willing to become film investors. The German tax law only requires that the film investors be German. Everybody else can be whatever you want them to be. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mike Street streetfor...@... wrote: How does one discover the loophole and use it to their advantage? I'd love to do a full black cast period piece done in the Victorian age...there was a story I ran across a few years back about an adopted african daughter too one of the queens On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 7:23 AM, Daryle Lockhartdar...@... wrote: Obsessed is a Black film, actually. This loophole in finance Uwe has been riding is something Black filmmakers could/should use to make larger budget films in other countries. There are so many horror scripts that don' t get made in Hollywood that could be getting done in Europe! On Jul 5, 2009, at 11:05 AM, ravenadal wrote: I am watching something called In the Name of the King: A Dungeon Siege Tale on Showtime. The movie stars Jason Statham and the cast includes such stellar actors as Ron (Hellboy) Perlman, Ray (Goodfellas) Liotta - shamelessly chewing up scenery as Gallion, the prolific John Rhys-Davies, Burt Smokey and the Bandit Reynolds, Claire Meet Joe Black Forlani, Leelee (Deep Impact) Sobieski and Brian J. White (The Shield, Moonlight) wearing a nasty looking scar as Commander Tarish. The movie is directed by German born schlockmiester Uwe Boll, best known for his BloodRayne movies. I had never heard of this movie so I went to IMDB, Box Office Mojo and Wikipedia and discovered In the Name of the King cost $60 million and grossed a robust $13 million worldwide. Then I discoverd the first BloodRayne cost $25 million and grossed a whopping $2.42 million. WTF! Then I discovered that Boll is very successfully manipulating a lucrative loophole in German tax laws. Boll is able to acquire funding thanks to German tax laws that reward investments in film. The law allows investors in German-owned films to write off 100% of their investment as a tax deduction; it also allows them to invest borrowed money and write off any fees associated with the loan. The investor is then only required to pay taxes on the profits made by the movie; if the movie loses money, the investor gets a tax writeoff. Imagine, thought I, if black filmmakers were able to exploit such a loophole? Everybody KNOWS black films don't make money. What an excellent opportunity to make all the black epics everyone dreams of but nobody dares risk the money to make. What a bonanza! You could hire all the known but under utilized black actors and actresses - pay them top dollar - WTF? We are TRYING to lose money after all! Let Vin Diesel make his Hannibal. Let Spike Lee make his Tuskegee Airmen. Let the Hughes Brothers make whatever they want. Hell, let me film The World Ebon. Shoot, I could burn through a coupla hundred million dollars real quick! Imagine the mishmash of casts you could come up with! What would be your dream project? ~rave! http://twitter.com/ravenadal http://theworldebon.blogspot.com -- Get Social: Facebook: http://facebook.com/greasyguide http://facebook.com/mikestreet Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/streetforce1 My Sites: Now72.com - GreasyGuide.com - HarlemFoodie.com
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Folks, Daryle just became a billionaire... -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: In the Name of the King: A Dungeon Siege Tale Date : Mon, 6 Jul 2009 13:05:40 -0400 From : Daryle Lockhart dar...@darylelockhart.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Uh oh. How do you say Leonard Parts 1-5 in German? On Jul 6, 2009, at 12:50 PM, ravenadal wrote: You find an international tax lawyer able to cobble together a cabal of Germans seeking tax relief and willing to become film investors. The German tax law only requires that the film investors be German. Everybody else can be whatever you want them to be. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mike Street wrote: How does one discover the loophole and use it to their advantage? I'd love to do a full black cast period piece done in the Victorian age...there was a story I ran across a few years back about an adopted african daughter too one of the queens On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 7:23 AM, Daryle Lockhart wrote: Obsessed is a Black film, actually. This loophole in finance Uwe has been riding is something Black filmmakers could/should use to make larger budget films in other countries. There are so many horror scripts that don' t get made in Hollywood that could be getting done in Europe! On Jul 5, 2009, at 11:05 AM, ravenadal wrote: I am watching something called In the Name of the King: A Dungeon Siege Tale on Showtime. The movie stars Jason Statham and the cast includes such stellar actors as Ron (Hellboy) Perlman, Ray (Goodfellas) Liotta - shamelessly chewing up scenery as Gallion, the prolific John Rhys-Davies, Burt Smokey and the Bandit Reynolds, Claire Meet Joe Black Forlani, Leelee (Deep Impact) Sobieski and Brian J. White (The Shield, Moonlight) wearing a nasty looking scar as Commander Tarish. The movie is directed by German born schlockmiester Uwe Boll, best known for his BloodRayne movies. I had never heard of this movie so I went to IMDB, Box Office Mojo and Wikipedia and discovered In the Name of the King cost $60 million and grossed a robust $13 million worldwide. Then I discoverd the first BloodRayne cost $25 million and grossed a whopping $2.42 million. WTF! Then I discovered that Boll is very successfully manipulating a lucrative loophole in German tax laws. Boll is able to acquire funding thanks to German tax laws that reward investments in film. The law allows investors in German-owned films to write off 100% of their investment as a tax deduction; it also allows them to invest borrowed money and write off any fees associated with the loan. The investor is then only required to pay taxes on the profits made by the movie; if the movie loses money, the investor gets a tax writeoff. Imagine, thought I, if black filmmakers were able to exploit such a loophole? Everybody KNOWS black films don't make money. What an excellent opportunity to make all the black epics everyone dreams of but nobody dares risk the money to make. What a bonanza! You could hire all the known but under utilized black actors and actresses - pay them top dollar - WTF? We are TRYING to lose money after all! Let Vin Diesel make his Hannibal. Let Spike Lee make his Tuskegee Airmen. Let the Hughes Brothers make whatever they want. Hell, let me film The World Ebon. Shoot, I could burn through a coupla hundred million dollars real quick! Imagine the mishmash of casts you could come up with! What would be your dream project? ~rave! http://twitter.com/ravenadal http://theworldebon.blogspot.com -- Get Social: Facebook: http://facebook.com/greasyguide http://facebook.com/mikestreet Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/streetforce1 My Sites: Now72.com - GreasyGuide.com - HarlemFoodie.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
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I was thinking Pitfall personally. Or am I too late for that? -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: In the Name of the King: A Dungeon Siege Tale Date : Mon, 6 Jul 2009 12:49:39 -0400 From : Daryle Lockhart dar...@darylelockhart.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com That might explain why Universal insists on greenlighting these Hasbro game movies, and are now moving on to Atari, having just greenlit Asteroids. Anybody wanna go in with me on a treatment for Bezerk or Defender? Tempest? Anyone? On Jul 6, 2009, at 12:41 PM, ravenadal wrote: It has been my humble opinion that Hollywood has long operated as a washing machine to clean mob money. One of the biggest sausage factories of the last millenium, Universal Pictures, was long run by Lew Wasserman who began by booking talent into mob operated night clubs and had more than a few mob connections. Today, actors often scoff when they hear what they were allegedly paid to star in a movie because they likely received half of that amount. The rest is the money being laundered. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf wrote: There may be something like that already going on in Hollywood. There are a number of films that they know as soon as they are green lit that they will fail. Frankenhood and Soulplane come to mind. There are also others with white casts that also are made to loose money too. I suspect that they are being used as a write off. At least I hope that they are. There are way too many really bad films making it to the scifi channel that have moderate sized budgets that should have never been made. Like HG Wells War of the Worlds 1 and 2! (Yes. You read that right. They made two!) On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 4:23 AM, Daryle Lockhart wrote: Obsessed is a Black film, actually. This loophole in finance Uwe has been riding is something Black filmmakers could/should use to make larger budget films in other countries. There are so many horror scripts that don' t get made in Hollywood that could be getting done in Europe! On Jul 5, 2009, at 11:05 AM, ravenadal wrote: I am watching something called In the Name of the King: A Dungeon Siege Tale on Showtime. The movie stars Jason Statham and the cast includes such stellar actors as Ron (Hellboy) Perlman, Ray (Goodfellas) Liotta - shamelessly chewing up scenery as Gallion, the prolific John Rhys-Davies, Burt Smokey and the Bandit Reynolds, Claire Meet Joe Black Forlani, Leelee (Deep Impact) Sobieski and Brian J. White (The Shield, Moonlight) wearing a nasty looking scar as Commander Tarish. The movie is directed by German born schlockmiester Uwe Boll, best known for his BloodRayne movies. I had never heard of this movie so I went to IMDB, Box Office Mojo and Wikipedia and discovered In the Name of the King cost $60 million and grossed a robust $13 million worldwide. Then I discoverd the first BloodRayne cost $25 million and grossed a whopping $2.42 million. WTF! Then I discovered that Boll is very successfully manipulating a lucrative loophole in German tax laws. Boll is able to acquire funding thanks to German tax laws that reward investments in film. The law allows investors in German-owned films to write off 100% of their investment as a tax deduction; it also allows them to invest borrowed money and write off any fees associated with the loan. The investor is then only required to pay taxes on the profits made by the movie; if the movie loses money, the investor gets a tax writeoff. Imagine, thought I, if black filmmakers were able to exploit such a loophole? Everybody KNOWS black films don't make money. What an excellent opportunity to make all the black epics everyone dreams of but nobody dares risk the money to make. What a bonanza! You could hire all the known but under utilized black actors and actresses - pay them top dollar - WTF? We are TRYING to lose money after all! Let Vin Diesel make his Hannibal. Let Spike Lee make his Tuskegee Airmen. Let the Hughes Brothers make whatever they want. Hell, let me film The World Ebon. Shoot, I could burn through a coupla hundred million dollars real quick! Imagine the mishmash of casts you could come up with! What would be your dream project? ~rave! http://twitter.com/ravenadal http://theworldebon.blogspot.com -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
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It could be that investing in an American movie is a good idea because the German Mark is worth almost twice as much as a dollar. If the movie becomes a hit they still win. We only see (as in exposed to) a small fraction of the number of films that are being made and distributed every year. One number quoted was about 1000 per year in this county. That's not counting the made for tv, and direct to video stuff. On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 9:50 AM, ravenadal ravena...@yahoo.com wrote: You find an international tax lawyer able to cobble together a cabal of Germans seeking tax relief and willing to become film investors. The German tax law only requires that the film investors be German. Everybody else can be whatever you want them to be. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mike Street streetfor...@... wrote: How does one discover the loophole and use it to their advantage? I'd love to do a full black cast period piece done in the Victorian age...there was a story I ran across a few years back about an adopted african daughter too one of the queens On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 7:23 AM, Daryle Lockhartdar...@... wrote: Obsessed is a Black film, actually. This loophole in finance Uwe has been riding is something Black filmmakers could/should use to make larger budget films in other countries. There are so many horror scripts that don' t get made in Hollywood that could be getting done in Europe! On Jul 5, 2009, at 11:05 AM, ravenadal wrote: I am watching something called In the Name of the King: A Dungeon Siege Tale on Showtime. The movie stars Jason Statham and the cast includes such stellar actors as Ron (Hellboy) Perlman, Ray (Goodfellas) Liotta - shamelessly chewing up scenery as Gallion, the prolific John Rhys-Davies, Burt Smokey and the Bandit Reynolds, Claire Meet Joe Black Forlani, Leelee (Deep Impact) Sobieski and Brian J. White (The Shield, Moonlight) wearing a nasty looking scar as Commander Tarish. The movie is directed by German born schlockmiester Uwe Boll, best known for his BloodRayne movies. I had never heard of this movie so I went to IMDB, Box Office Mojo and Wikipedia and discovered In the Name of the King cost $60 million and grossed a robust $13 million worldwide. Then I discoverd the first BloodRayne cost $25 million and grossed a whopping $2.42 million. WTF! Then I discovered that Boll is very successfully manipulating a lucrative loophole in German tax laws. Boll is able to acquire funding thanks to German tax laws that reward investments in film. The law allows investors in German-owned films to write off 100% of their investment as a tax deduction; it also allows them to invest borrowed money and write off any fees associated with the loan. The investor is then only required to pay taxes on the profits made by the movie; if the movie loses money, the investor gets a tax writeoff. Imagine, thought I, if black filmmakers were able to exploit such a loophole? Everybody KNOWS black films don't make money. What an excellent opportunity to make all the black epics everyone dreams of but nobody dares risk the money to make. What a bonanza! You could hire all the known but under utilized black actors and actresses - pay them top dollar - WTF? We are TRYING to lose money after all! Let Vin Diesel make his Hannibal. Let Spike Lee make his Tuskegee Airmen. Let the Hughes Brothers make whatever they want. Hell, let me film The World Ebon. Shoot, I could burn through a coupla hundred million dollars real quick! Imagine the mishmash of casts you could come up with! What would be your dream project? ~rave! http://twitter.com/ravenadal http://theworldebon.blogspot.com -- Get Social: Facebook: http://facebook.com/greasyguide http://facebook.com/mikestreet Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/streetforce1 My Sites: Now72.com - GreasyGuide.com - HarlemFoodie.com Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
