Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble - Villian Dispute

2010-01-22 Thread Mr. Worf 
Maybe they are going with a more wall crawling less cross town web slinging
type spidey? The guy that stops muggers and bank robbers just to get home in
time for dinner with Aunt B.

On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 6:33 AM, B Smith  wrote:

> Malkovich was going to be the Vulture but that's all scrapped now.
>
> I'm getting a bad feeling about the new direction this movie is taking.
> They want a younger Spider-Man and the focus to be more on the "gritty" side
> of teenage life. They hired Marc Webb, the director of (500) Days of Summer,
> and have cut the budget to $80,000,000.
>
> Why not give someone like Neil Blomkamp or another genre director with some
> chops a shot? Webb is a capable director but we've seen how putting a
> director of more intimate movies into the big budget action chair can have
> mixed results.
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
> >
> > Who would he be? The Condor?
> >
> > I think that Malkovich is in that special category of Hollywood weirdos.
> > Such as Shatner, Walken, Depp, Hopkins, and others. Good actors in the
> right
> > part. Weird in other parts. Val Kilmer is starting to be like that now
> too.
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Martin Baxter
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > ...
> > >
> > > ...
> > >
> > > ...
> > >
> > > Okay, I'll ask...
> > >
> > > WHY does the movie need Malkovich as a villain? Personally, I've never
> been
> > > enamored of his work in the least.
> > >
> > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> > > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com; ggs...@...; cinque3...@...
> > > From: tdli...@...
> > > Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 00:35:22 -0800
> > > Subject: [scifinoir2] Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble - Villian
> Dispute
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [image: Bookmark and Share]<
> http://www.addthis.com/bookmark.php?v=250&pub=xa-4a92b9d818cb896c>
> > > [image: delays spidey]
> > > This is a story I've been working on ever since I saw this December
> > > 11th email that went out to the *Spider-Man 4* special effects crew
> that
> > > day:
> > > Hey there--
> > > We were just notified that our schedule is pushing. We will NOT be
> starting
> > > as planned. I’m terribly sorry for this news, and I hope this email
> reaches
> > > you in time to find other options. We do not know how long we are
> pushing,
> > > and we will not know until mid-January. By mid-January, we will be told
> how
> > > long the push is, whether it be 2 weeks, 2 months, or something else.
> The
> > > studio has every intention of making the movie, but we no longer have
> > > a confirmed start date.
> > > Again, I’m terribly sorry, but Sam Raimi has story issues [that] need
> to be
> > > resolved before we are ready to shoot.
> > > Feel free to call me if you have any questions.
> > > VFX Team
> > > [image: Sony_pictures_logo]At that point, it wasn't well known that the
> *
> > > Spider-Man* franchise director who also is helming the 4th installment
> had
> > > huge problems with the script that has run through screenwriters Jamie
> > > Vanderbilt, David Lindsay-Abaire, and Gary Ross. I'm even told Sam
> Raimi had
> > > been very vocal inside Sony that he "hated" it. Now Raimi and Sony are
> > > anxiously waiting for still another version from screenwriter Alvin
> Sargent,
> > > who wrote *Spidey 2* &* 3* and is married to *Spidey* franchise
> producer
> > > Laura Ziskind. "It is unlikely that May 11, 2011, date will be made," a
> Sony
> > > insider just told me today. "It depends on how quickly the script can
> get
> > > in." However, agents have told clients in the movie to already expect
> the
> > > film to be pushed back.
> > > My sources say Sony still intends to release that summer, even if the
> new
> > > date is July 2011. But *Spider-Man* has always owned that coveted early
> > > May date. Even as far back as September 2008 when I reported my
> exclusive
> > > that Sony Locks In Sam Raimi & Tobey Maguire in 'Spider-Man 4'<
> http://www.deadline.com/hollywood/exclusive-sony-sets-sam-raimi-studio-may-shoot-4-and-5-at-same-time/
> >.
> > > And now this is a giant opportunity for other studios planning their
> 2011
> > > schedules to grab this big opening.
> > > *Spider-Man 4* was supposed to start filming in February, and star
> Tobey
> > > Maguire echoed that repeatedly in publicity appearances for *Brothers*.
> > > Then it pushed to March. Then late March/early April. And now there's
> no
> > > date at all, according to my Sony insiders who emailed me: "Some
> > > decisions have been made over the holiday about *Spider-Man 4*. We will
> be
> > > extending the production hiatus on the film. The studio is firmly
> committed
> > > to this franchise but, for us, the script must come first. We intend to
> > > notify members of the crew immediately. As you know, Alvin Sa

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble - Villian Dispute

2010-01-22 Thread Martin Baxter 

Which is something the kids would never go for. Heck, *I* wouldn't go for it.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 13:05:10 -0800
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble - Villian  
Dispute


















 



  



  
  
  Maybe they are going with a more wall crawling less cross town web 
slinging type spidey? The guy that stops muggers and bank robbers just to get 
home in time for dinner with Aunt B.


On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 6:33 AM, B Smith  wrote:

Malkovich was going to be the Vulture but that's all scrapped now.



I'm getting a bad feeling about the new direction this movie is taking. They 
want a younger Spider-Man and the focus to be more on the "gritty" side of 
teenage life. They hired Marc Webb, the director of (500) Days of Summer, and 
have cut the budget to $80,000,000.




Why not give someone like Neil Blomkamp or another genre director with some 
chops a shot? Webb is a capable director but we've seen how putting a director 
of more intimate movies into the big budget action chair can have mixed results.




--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:

>

> Who would he be? The Condor?

>

> I think that Malkovich is in that special category of Hollywood weirdos.

> Such as Shatner, Walken, Depp, Hopkins, and others. Good actors in the right

> part. Weird in other parts. Val Kilmer is starting to be like that now too.

>

> On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Martin Baxter

> wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > ...

> >

> > ...

> >

> > ...

> >

> > Okay, I'll ask...

> >

> > WHY does the movie need Malkovich as a villain? Personally, I've never been

> > enamored of his work in the least.

> >

> > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in

> > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

> >

> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > --

> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com; ggs...@...; cinque3...@...

> > From: tdli...@...

> > Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 00:35:22 -0800

> > Subject: [scifinoir2] Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble - Villian Dispute

> >

> >

> >

> > [image: Bookmark and 
> > Share]<http://www.addthis.com/bookmark.php?v=250&pub=xa-4a92b9d818cb896c>


> > [image: delays spidey]

> > This is a story I've been working on ever since I saw this December

> > 11th email that went out to the *Spider-Man 4* special effects crew that

> > day:

> > Hey there--

> > We were just notified that our schedule is pushing. We will NOT be starting

> > as planned. I’m terribly sorry for this news, and I hope this email 
> > reaches

> > you in time to find other options. We do not know how long we are pushing,

> > and we will not know until mid-January. By mid-January, we will be told how

> > long the push is, whether it be 2 weeks, 2 months, or something else. The

> > studio has every intention of making the movie, but we no longer have

> > a confirmed start date.

> > Again, I’m terribly sorry, but Sam Raimi has story issues [that] need to 
> > be

> > resolved before we are ready to shoot.

> > Feel free to call me if you have any questions.

> > VFX Team

> > [image: Sony_pictures_logo]At that point, it wasn't well known that the *

> > Spider-Man* franchise director who also is helming the 4th installment had

> > huge problems with the script that has run through screenwriters Jamie

> > Vanderbilt, David Lindsay-Abaire, and Gary Ross. I'm even told Sam Raimi had

> > been very vocal inside Sony that he "hated" it. Now Raimi and Sony are

> > anxiously waiting for still another version from screenwriter Alvin Sargent,

> > who wrote *Spidey 2* &* 3* and is married to *Spidey* franchise producer

> > Laura Ziskind. "It is unlikely that May 11, 2011, date will be made," a Sony

> > insider just told me today. "It depends on how quickly the script can get

> > in." However, agents have told clients in the movie to already expect the

> > film to be pushed back.

> > My sources say Sony still intends to release that summer, even if the new

> > date is July 2011. But *Spider-Man* has always owned that coveted early

> > May date. Even as far back as September 2008 when I report

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble - Villian Dispute

2010-01-22 Thread Martin Baxter 

That, I'd buy. Last Hunt still puts chills in my spine.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: daikaij...@yahoo.com
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:57:31 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble - Villian Dispute


















 



  



  
  
  I still say that the Lizard and Kraven the Hunter should be the villains. 
It's a home run and could set up the epic Kraven's Last Hunt as possible film. 
If you want to dark and gritty it doesn't get much better than that.



I hope they don't do a retelling of the origin. Hit the ground running and 
build on it.



--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:

>

> 

> Which is something the kids would never go for. Heck, *I* wouldn't go for it.

> 

> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

> 

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

> 

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> 

> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

> From: hellomahog...@...

> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 13:05:10 -0800

> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble - Villian
> Dispute

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> slinging type spidey? The guy that stops muggers and bank robbers just to get 
> home in time for dinner with Aunt B.

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> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 6:33 AM, B Smith  wrote:

> 

> Malkovich was going to be the Vulture but that's all scrapped now.

> 

> 

> 

> I'm getting a bad feeling about the new direction this movie is taking. They 
> want a younger Spider-Man and the focus to be more on the "gritty" side of 
> teenage life. They hired Marc Webb, the director of (500) Days of Summer, and 
> have cut the budget to $80,000,000.

> 

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> Why not give someone like Neil Blomkamp or another genre director with some 
> chops a shot? Webb is a capable director but we've seen how putting a 
> director of more intimate movies into the big budget action chair can have 
> mixed results.

> 

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> 

> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:

> 

> >

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> > Who would he be? The Condor?

> 

> >

> 

> > I think that Malkovich is in that special category of Hollywood weirdos.

> 

> > Such as Shatner, Walken, Depp, Hopkins, and others. Good actors in the right

> 

> > part. Weird in other parts. Val Kilmer is starting to be like that now too.

> 

> >

> 

> > On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Martin Baxter

> 

> > wrote:

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> > > Okay, I'll ask...

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> > > WHY does the movie need Malkovich as a villain? Personally, I've never 
> > > been

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> > > enamored of his work in the least.

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> > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in

> 

> > > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

> 

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> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

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> > > --

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> > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com; ggszig@; cinque3000@

> 

> > > From: tdlists@

> 

> > > Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 00:35:22 -0800

> 

> > > Subject: [scifinoir2] Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble - Villian Dispute

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> > > [image: Bookmark and 
> > > Share]<http://www.addthis.com/bookmark.php?v=250&pub=xa-4a92b9d818cb896c>

> 

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> > > [image: delays spidey]

> 

> > > This is a story I've been working on ever since I saw this December

> 

> > > 11th email that went out to the *Spider-Man 4* special effects crew that

> 

> > > day:

> 

> > > Hey there--

> 

> > > We were just notified that our schedule is pushing. We will NOT be 
> > > starting

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble - Villian Dispute

2010-01-22 Thread Keith Johnson 
Is "Last Hunt" the one where Kraven sedated Spidey and buried him alive, then 
donned his costume and went around town brutally putting down crime as 
Spider-Man? The one where he finally revived Spider-Man--having bettered him in 
his mind--then killed himself? If so, yeah, that stuff is awesome, but you know 
darn well they wouldn't use it for a movie franchise that they clearly want to 
direct at the kiddies. Too scary--unless they defang it to hell. 
Speaking of "Last Hunt", if it's the one I'm thinking about, did you ever read 
the "What If?" version of it? In it, Spidey, when first captured by Kraven, 
starts the standard "Okay, Kraven you got me. Now you can start gloating". 
Instead, to Spidey's horror, Kraven shots and kills him. He then goes on to 
start beating the hell out of criminals dressed as Spidey, but he's really 
really snapped. In order to "capture the soul of the Spider", Kraven 
periodically goes back and eats off Peter's body! At the end, I believe Kraven 
is killed--or kills himself--and Mary Jane, devastated allows Peter's identity 
to be known to the world, then sets about making sure people know what a hero 
he really was. 
one of the creepiest and most disturbing alternate reality tales I've ever 
read. 


- Original Message - 
From: "Martin Baxter"  
To: "SciFiNoir2"  
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 5:14:39 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble - Villian 
Dispute 






That, I'd buy. Last Hunt still puts chills in my spine. 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
From: daikaij...@yahoo.com 
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:57:31 + 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble - Villian Dispute 




I still say that the Lizard and Kraven the Hunter should be the villains. It's 
a home run and could set up the epic Kraven's Last Hunt as possible film. If 
you want to dark and gritty it doesn't get much better than that. 

I hope they don't do a retelling of the origin. Hit the ground running and 
build on it. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter  wrote: 
> 
> 
> Which is something the kids would never go for. Heck, *I* wouldn't go for it. 
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> From: hellomahog...@... 
> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 13:05:10 -0800 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble - Villian 
> Dispute 
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> Maybe they are going with a more wall crawling less cross town web slinging 
> type spidey? The guy that stops muggers and bank robbers just to get home in 
> time for dinner with Aunt B. 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 6:33 AM, B Smith  wrote: 
> 
> Malkovich was going to be the Vulture but that's all scrapped now. 
> 
> 
> 
> I'm getting a bad feeling about the new direction this movie is taking. They 
> want a younger Spider-Man and the focus to be more on the "gritty" side of 
> teenage life. They hired Marc Webb, the director of (500) Days of Summer, and 
> have cut the budget to $80,000,000. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Why not give someone like Neil Blomkamp or another genre director with some 
> chops a shot? Webb is a capable director but we've seen how putting a 
> director of more intimate movies into the big budget action chair can have 
> mixed results. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , "Mr. Worf"  wrote: 
> 
> > 
> 
> > Who would he be? The Condor? 
> 
> > 
> 
> > I think that Malkovich is in that special category of Hollywood weirdos. 
> 
> > Such as Shatner, Walken, Depp, Hopkins, and others. Good actors in the 
> > right 
> 
> > part. Weird in other parts. Val Kilmer is starting to be like that now too. 
> 
> > 
> 
> > On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Martin Baxter 
> 
> > wrote: 
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> > > 
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> > > ... 
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> > > ... 
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> > > ... 
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> > > Okay, I'll ask... 
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> > > 
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> >

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble - Villian Dispute

2010-01-23 Thread Mr. Worf 
Actually, I wouldn't mind seeing a truly dark superhero movie. We don't see
many of them. They are mostly balance between stuff that would please an 8
year old and a romanticized version of a superhero. Superman is a good
example of that.

On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 12:49 PM, B Smith  wrote:

> That's the one and the What If was great too.
>
> After the success of The Dark Knight Sony wanted to go darker and more
> adult. I think they are missing the point. Spider-Man was dark at times but
> there was also joy and the snark has been missing. They need to strike a
> balance.
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson 
> wrote:
> >
> > Is "Last Hunt" the one where Kraven sedated Spidey and buried him alive,
> then donned his costume and went around town brutally putting down crime as
> Spider-Man? The one where he finally revived Spider-Man--having bettered him
> in his mind--then killed himself? If so, yeah, that stuff is awesome, but
> you know darn well they wouldn't use it for a movie franchise that they
> clearly want to direct at the kiddies. Too scary--unless they defang it to
> hell.
> > Speaking of "Last Hunt", if it's the one I'm thinking about, did you ever
> read the "What If?" version of it? In it, Spidey, when first captured by
> Kraven, starts the standard "Okay, Kraven you got me. Now you can start
> gloating". Instead, to Spidey's horror, Kraven shots and kills him. He then
> goes on to start beating the hell out of criminals dressed as Spidey, but
> he's really really snapped. In order to "capture the soul of the Spider",
> Kraven periodically goes back and eats off Peter's body! At the end, I
> believe Kraven is killed--or kills himself--and Mary Jane, devastated allows
> Peter's identity to be known to the world, then sets about making sure
> people know what a hero he really was.
> > one of the creepiest and most disturbing alternate reality tales I've
> ever read.
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Martin Baxter" 
> > To: "SciFiNoir2" 
> > Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 5:14:39 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble -
> Villian Dispute
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > That, I'd buy. Last Hunt still puts chills in my spine.
> >
> > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > From: daikaij...@...
> > Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:57:31 +
> > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble - Villian
> Dispute
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I still say that the Lizard and Kraven the Hunter should be the villains.
> It's a home run and could set up the epic Kraven's Last Hunt as possible
> film. If you want to dark and gritty it doesn't get much better than that.
> >
> > I hope they don't do a retelling of the origin. Hit the ground running
> and build on it.
> >
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter 
> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Which is something the kids would never go for. Heck, *I* wouldn't go
> for it.
> > >
> > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > > From: HelloMahogany@
> > > Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 13:05:10 -0800
> > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble -
> Villian Dispute
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> > > Maybe they are going with a more wall crawling less cross town web
> slinging type spidey? The guy that stops muggers and bank robbers just to
> get home in time for dinner with Aunt B.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 6:33 AM, B Smith  wrote:
> > >
> >

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble - Villian Dispute

2010-01-23 Thread Keith Johnson 
I agree. I may be alone in this, but I was never fully enamored of the 
Spider-Man movies. I do like the way the second film had some humor. I agree 
with you: the third flick was a classic example of them missing the proper 
balance. 

- Original Message - 
From: "B Smith"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 3:49:03 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble - Villian Dispute 






That's the one and the What If was great too. 

After the success of The Dark Knight Sony wanted to go darker and more adult. I 
think they are missing the point. Spider-Man was dark at times but there was 
also joy and the snark has been missing. They need to strike a balance. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson  wrote: 
> 
> Is "Last Hunt" the one where Kraven sedated Spidey and buried him alive, then 
> donned his costume and went around town brutally putting down crime as 
> Spider-Man? The one where he finally revived Spider-Man--having bettered him 
> in his mind--then killed himself? If so, yeah, that stuff is awesome, but you 
> know darn well they wouldn't use it for a movie franchise that they clearly 
> want to direct at the kiddies. Too scary--unless they defang it to hell. 
> Speaking of "Last Hunt", if it's the one I'm thinking about, did you ever 
> read the "What If?" version of it? In it, Spidey, when first captured by 
> Kraven, starts the standard "Okay, Kraven you got me. Now you can start 
> gloating". Instead, to Spidey's horror, Kraven shots and kills him. He then 
> goes on to start beating the hell out of criminals dressed as Spidey, but 
> he's really really snapped. In order to "capture the soul of the Spider", 
> Kraven periodically goes back and eats off Peter's body! At the end, I 
> believe Kraven is killed--or kills himself--and Mary Jane, devastated allows 
> Peter's identity to be known to the world, then sets about making sure people 
> know what a hero he really was. 
> one of the creepiest and most disturbing alternate reality tales I've ever 
> read. 
> 
> 
> - Original Message ----- 
> From: "Martin Baxter"  
> To: "SciFiNoir2" < scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > 
> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 5:14:39 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble - Villian 
> Dispute 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> That, I'd buy. Last Hunt still puts chills in my spine. 
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> From: daikaij...@... 
> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:57:31 + 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble - Villian 
> Dispute 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I still say that the Lizard and Kraven the Hunter should be the villains. 
> It's a home run and could set up the epic Kraven's Last Hunt as possible 
> film. If you want to dark and gritty it doesn't get much better than that. 
> 
> I hope they don't do a retelling of the origin. Hit the ground running and 
> build on it. 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter  wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> > Which is something the kids would never go for. Heck, *I* wouldn't go for 
> > it. 
> > 
> > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in 
> > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> > From: HelloMahogany@ 
> > Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 13:05:10 -0800 
> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble - Villian 
> > Dispute 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> > 
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> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> > 
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> > 
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> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Maybe they are going with a more wall crawling less cross town web slinging 
> > type spidey? The guy that stops muggers and bank robbers just to get home 
> > in time for dinner with Aunt B. 
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 6:33 AM, B Smith  wrote: 
> > 
> > Malkovich was going to be the Vulture but that's all scrapped now. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I'm getting a b

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble - Villian Dispute

2010-01-23 Thread Martin Baxter 

I hear you, B. It's as though H'Wood doesn't get the idea that both cna exist 
in the same place. I've been blending the two for most of my writing career.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: daikaij...@yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:49:03 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble - Villian Dispute


















 



  



  
  
  That's the one and the What If was great too. 



After the success of The Dark Knight Sony wanted to go darker and more adult. I 
think they are missing the point. Spider-Man was dark at times but there was 
also joy and the snark has been missing. They need to strike a balance.



--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:

>

> Is "Last Hunt" the one where Kraven sedated Spidey and buried him alive, then 
> donned his costume and went around town brutally putting down crime as 
> Spider-Man? The one where he finally revived Spider-Man--having bettered him 
> in his mind--then killed himself? If so, yeah, that stuff is awesome, but you 
> know darn well they wouldn't use it for a movie franchise that they clearly 
> want to direct at the kiddies. Too scary--unless they defang it to hell. 

> Speaking of "Last Hunt", if it's the one I'm thinking about, did you ever 
> read the "What If?" version of it? In it, Spidey, when first captured by 
> Kraven, starts the standard "Okay, Kraven you got me. Now you can start 
> gloating". Instead, to Spidey's horror, Kraven shots and kills him. He then 
> goes on to start beating the hell out of criminals dressed as Spidey, but 
> he's really really snapped. In order to "capture the soul of the Spider", 
> Kraven periodically goes back and eats off Peter's body! At the end, I 
> believe Kraven is killed--or kills himself--and Mary Jane, devastated allows 
> Peter's identity to be known to the world, then sets about making sure people 
> know what a hero he really was. 

> one of the creepiest and most disturbing alternate reality tales I've ever 
> read. 

> 

> 

> ----- Original Message ----- 

> From: "Martin Baxter"  

> To: "SciFiNoir2"  

> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 5:14:39 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 

> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble - Villian 
> Dispute 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> That, I'd buy. Last Hunt still puts chills in my spine. 

> 

> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

> 

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 

> From: daikaij...@... 

> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:57:31 + 

> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble - Villian 
> Dispute 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> I still say that the Lizard and Kraven the Hunter should be the villains. 
> It's a home run and could set up the epic Kraven's Last Hunt as possible 
> film. If you want to dark and gritty it doesn't get much better than that. 

> 

> I hope they don't do a retelling of the origin. Hit the ground running and 
> build on it. 

> 

> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter  wrote: 

> > 

> > 

> > Which is something the kids would never go for. Heck, *I* wouldn't go for 
> > it. 

> > 

> > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in 
> > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

> > 

> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 

> > From: HelloMahogany@ 

> > Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 13:05:10 -0800 

> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble - Villian 
> > Dispute 

> > 

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> > 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > Maybe they are going with a more wall crawling less cross town web slinging 
> > type spidey? The guy that stops muggers and bank robbers just to get home 
> > in time for dinner with Aunt B. 

> > 

> > 

> > On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 6:33 AM, B Smith  wro

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble - Villian Dispute

2010-01-23 Thread Martin Baxter 

Oh, yeah. Great read, that was.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 04:53:49 +0000
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble - Villian 
Dispute


















 



  



  
  
  
Is "Last Hunt" the one where Kraven sedated Spidey and buried him alive, then 
donned his costume and went around town brutally putting down crime as 
Spider-Man? The one where he finally revived Spider-Man--having bettered him in 
his mind--then killed himself? If so, yeah, that stuff is awesome, but you know 
darn well they wouldn't use it for a movie franchise that they clearly want to 
direct at the kiddies. Too scary--unless they defang it to hell.
Speaking of "Last Hunt", if it's the one I'm thinking about, did you ever read 
the "What If?" version of it? In it, Spidey, when first captured by Kraven, 
starts the standard "Okay, Kraven you got me. Now you can start gloating". 
Instead, to Spidey's horror, Kraven shots and kills him. He then goes on to 
start beating the hell out of criminals dressed as Spidey, but he's really 
really snapped. In order to "capture the soul of the Spider", Kraven 
periodically goes back and eats off Peter's body!  At the end, I believe Kraven 
is killed--or kills himself--and Mary Jane, devastated allows Peter's identity 
to be known to the world, then sets about making sure people know what a hero 
he really was.
one of the creepiest and most disturbing alternate reality tales I've ever read.


- Original Message -
From: "Martin Baxter" 
To: "SciFiNoir2" 
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 5:14:39 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble - Villian 
Dispute








 



  



  
  
  


That, I'd buy. Last Hunt still puts chills in my spine.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: daikaij...@yahoo.com
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:57:31 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble - Villian Dispute


















 



  



  
  
  I still say that the Lizard and Kraven the Hunter should be the villains. 
It's a home run and could set up the epic Kraven's Last Hunt as possible film. 
If you want to dark and gritty it doesn't get much better than that.



I hope they don't do a retelling of the origin. Hit the ground running and 
build on it.



--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:

>

> 

> Which is something the kids would never go for. Heck, *I* wouldn't go for it.

> 

> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

> 

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

> 

> 

> 

> 

> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

> From: hellomahog...@...

> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 13:05:10 -0800

> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble - Villian
> Dispute

> 

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>   Maybe they are going with a more wall crawling less cross town web 
> slinging type spidey? The guy that stops muggers and bank robbers just to get 
> home in time for dinner with Aunt B.

> 

> 

> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 6:33 AM, B Smith  wrote:

> 

> Malkovich was going to be the Vulture but that's all scrapped now.

> 

> 

> 

> I'm getting a bad feeling about the new direction this movie is taking. They 
> want a younger Spider-Man and the focus to be more on the "gritty" side of 
> teenage life. They hired Marc Webb, the director of (500) Days of Summer, and 
> have cut the budget to $80,000,000.

> 

> 

> 

> 

> Why not give someone like Neil Blomkamp or another genre director with some 
> chops a shot? Webb is a capable director but we've seen how putting a 
> director of more intimate movies into the big budget action chair can have 
> mixed results.

> 

> 

> 

> 

> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:

> 

> >

> 

> > Who would he be? The Condor?

> 

> >

> 

> > I think that Malkovich is in that special category of Hollywood weirdos.

>

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble - Villian Dispute

2010-01-28 Thread Martin Baxter 

"... the 'gritty' side of teenage life?" Someone buy these clowns a clue, 
please.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: daikaij...@yahoo.com
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:33:05 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble - Villian Dispute


















 



  



  
  
  Malkovich was going to be the Vulture but that's all scrapped now. 



I'm getting a bad feeling about the new direction this movie is taking. They 
want a younger Spider-Man and the focus to be more on the "gritty" side of 
teenage life. They hired Marc Webb, the director of (500) Days of Summer, and 
have cut the budget to $80,000,000. 



Why not give someone like Neil Blomkamp or another genre director with some 
chops a shot? Webb is a capable director but we've seen how putting a director 
of more intimate movies into the big budget action chair can have mixed 
results. 



--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:

>

> Who would he be? The Condor?

> 

> I think that Malkovich is in that special category of Hollywood weirdos.

> Such as Shatner, Walken, Depp, Hopkins, and others. Good actors in the right

> part. Weird in other parts. Val Kilmer is starting to be like that now too.

> 

> On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Martin Baxter

> wrote:

> 

> >

> >

> > ...

> >

> > ...

> >

> > ...

> >

> > Okay, I'll ask...

> >

> > WHY does the movie need Malkovich as a villain? Personally, I've never been

> > enamored of his work in the least.

> >

> > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in

> > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

> >

> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > --

> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com; ggs...@...; cinque3...@...

> > From: tdli...@...

> > Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 00:35:22 -0800

> > Subject: [scifinoir2] Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble - Villian Dispute

> >

> >

> >

> > [image: Bookmark and 
> > Share]

> > [image: delays spidey]

> > This is a story I've been working on ever since I saw this December

> > 11th email that went out to the *Spider-Man 4* special effects crew that

> > day:

> > Hey there--

> > We were just notified that our schedule is pushing. We will NOT be starting

> > as planned. I’m terribly sorry for this news, and I hope this email 
> > reaches

> > you in time to find other options. We do not know how long we are pushing,

> > and we will not know until mid-January. By mid-January, we will be told how

> > long the push is, whether it be 2 weeks, 2 months, or something else. The

> > studio has every intention of making the movie, but we no longer have

> > a confirmed start date.

> > Again, I’m terribly sorry, but Sam Raimi has story issues [that] need to 
> > be

> > resolved before we are ready to shoot.

> > Feel free to call me if you have any questions.

> > VFX Team

> > [image: Sony_pictures_logo]At that point, it wasn't well known that the *

> > Spider-Man* franchise director who also is helming the 4th installment had

> > huge problems with the script that has run through screenwriters Jamie

> > Vanderbilt, David Lindsay-Abaire, and Gary Ross. I'm even told Sam Raimi had

> > been very vocal inside Sony that he "hated" it. Now Raimi and Sony are

> > anxiously waiting for still another version from screenwriter Alvin Sargent,

> > who wrote *Spidey 2* &* 3* and is married to *Spidey* franchise producer

> > Laura Ziskind. "It is unlikely that May 11, 2011, date will be made," a Sony

> > insider just told me today. "It depends on how quickly the script can get

> > in." However, agents have told clients in the movie to already expect the

> > film to be pushed back.

> > My sources say Sony still intends to release that summer, even if the new

> > date is July 2011. But *Spider-Man* has always owned that coveted early

> > May date. Even as far back as September 2008 when I reported my exclusive

> > that Sony Locks In Sam Raimi & Tobey Maguire in 'Spider-Man 
> > 4'.

> > And now this is a giant opportunity for other studios planning their 2011

> > schedules to grab this big opening.

> > *Spider-Man 4* was supposed to start filming in February, and star Tobey

> > Maguire echoed that repeatedly in publicity appearances for *Brothers*.

> > Then it pushed to March. Then late March/early April. And now there's no

> > date at all, according to my Sony insiders who emailed me: "Some

> > decisions have been made over the holiday about *Spider-Man 4*. We will be

> > extending the production hiatus on the film. The studio is firmly committed

> > to this franch

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble - Villian Dispute

2010-01-28 Thread Mr. Worf 
Its hard for a white kid with a couple of rich friends living in a middle
class white neighborhood in the city. Yea... uh huh...

On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Martin Baxter
wrote:

>
>
> "... the 'gritty' side of teenage life?" Someone buy these clowns a clue,
> please.
>
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: daikaij...@yahoo.com
> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:33:05 +
>
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble - Villian
> Dispute
>
>
>  Malkovich was going to be the Vulture but that's all scrapped now.
>
> I'm getting a bad feeling about the new direction this movie is taking.
> They want a younger Spider-Man and the focus to be more on the "gritty" side
> of teenage life. They hired Marc Webb, the director of (500) Days of Summer,
> and have cut the budget to $80,000,000.
>
> Why not give someone like Neil Blomkamp or another genre director with some
> chops a shot? Webb is a capable director but we've seen how putting a
> director of more intimate movies into the big budget action chair can have
> mixed results.
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
> >
> > Who would he be? The Condor?
> >
> > I think that Malkovich is in that special category of Hollywood weirdos.
> > Such as Shatner, Walken, Depp, Hopkins, and others. Good actors in the
> right
> > part. Weird in other parts. Val Kilmer is starting to be like that now
> too.
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Martin Baxter
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > ...
> > >
> > > ...
> > >
> > > ...
> > >
> > > Okay, I'll ask...
> > >
> > > WHY does the movie need Malkovich as a villain? Personally, I've never
> been
> > > enamored of his work in the least.
> > >
> > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> > > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com; ggs...@...; cinque3...@...
> > > From: tdli...@...
> > > Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 00:35:22 -0800
> > > Subject: [scifinoir2] Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble - Villian
> Dispute
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [image: Bookmark and Share]<
> http://www.addthis.com/bookmark.php?v=250&pub=xa-4a92b9d818cb896c>
> > > [image: delays spidey]
> > > This is a story I've been working on ever since I saw this December
> > > 11th email that went out to the *Spider-Man 4* special effects crew
> that
> > > day:
> > > Hey there--
> > > We were just notified that our schedule is pushing. We will NOT be
> starting
> > > as planned. I’m terribly sorry for this news, and I hope this email
> reaches
> > > you in time to find other options. We do not know how long we are
> pushing,
> > > and we will not know until mid-January. By mid-January, we will be told
> how
> > > long the push is, whether it be 2 weeks, 2 months, or something else.
> The
> > > studio has every intention of making the movie, but we no longer have
> > > a confirmed start date.
> > > Again, I’m terribly sorry, but Sam Raimi has story issues [that] need
> to be
> > > resolved before we are ready to shoot.
> > > Feel free to call me if you have any questions.
> > > VFX Team
> > > [image: Sony_pictures_logo]At that point, it wasn't well known that the
> *
> > > Spider-Man* franchise director who also is helming the 4th installment
> had
> > > huge problems with the script that has run through screenwriters Jamie
> > > Vanderbilt, David Lindsay-Abaire, and Gary Ross. I'm even told Sam
> Raimi had
> > > been very vocal inside Sony that he "hated" it. Now Raimi and Sony are
> > > anxiously waiting for still another version from screenwriter Alvin
> Sargent,
> > > who wrote *Spidey 2* &* 3* and is married to *Spidey* franchise
> producer
> > > Laura Ziskind. "It is unlikely that May 11, 2011, date will be made," a
> Sony
> > > insider just told me today. "It depends on how quickly the script can
> get
> > > in." However, agents have told clients in the movie to already expect
> the
> > > film to be pushed back.
> > > My sources say Sony still intends to release that summer, even if the
> new
> > > date is July 2011. But *Spider-Man* has always owned that coveted early
> > > May date. Even as far back as September 2008 when I reported my
> exclusive
> > > that Sony Locks In Sam Raimi & Tobey Maguire in 'Spider-Man 4'<
> http://www.deadline.com/hollywood/exclusive-sony-sets-sam-raimi-studio-may-shoot-4-and-5-at-same-time/
> >.
> > > And now this is a giant opportunity for other studios planning their
> 2011
> > > schedules to grab this big opening.
> > > *Spider-Man 4* was supposed to start filming in February, and star
> Tobey
> > > Maguire echoed that repeatedly in publicity appearances for *Brothers*.
> > > Then

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble - Villian Dispute

2010-01-30 Thread Martin Baxter 

I... I... wait... no. Thought I had a tear in me for them. That was just the 
flash of a car going up the street behind me.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:06:06 -0800
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble - Villian  
Dispute


















 



  



  
  
  Its hard for a white kid with a couple of rich friends living in a middle 
class white neighborhood in the city. Yea... uh huh... 


On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Martin Baxter  
wrote:


























"... the 'gritty' side of teenage life?" Someone buy these clowns a clue, 
please.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

From: daikaij...@yahoo.com
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:33:05 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble - Villian Dispute



















 



  



  
  
  Malkovich was going to be the Vulture but that's all scrapped now. 



I'm getting a bad feeling about the new direction this movie is taking. They 
want a younger Spider-Man and the focus to be more on the "gritty" side of 
teenage life. They hired Marc Webb, the director of (500) Days of Summer, and 
have cut the budget to $80,000,000. 




Why not give someone like Neil Blomkamp or another genre director with some 
chops a shot? Webb is a capable director but we've seen how putting a director 
of more intimate movies into the big budget action chair can have mixed 
results. 




--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:

>

> Who would he be? The Condor?

> 

> I think that Malkovich is in that special category of Hollywood weirdos.

> Such as Shatner, Walken, Depp, Hopkins, and others. Good actors in the right

> part. Weird in other parts. Val Kilmer is starting to be like that now too.

> 

> On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Martin Baxter

> wrote:

> 

> >

> >

> > ...

> >

> > ...

> >

> > ...

> >

> > Okay, I'll ask...

> >

> > WHY does the movie need Malkovich as a villain? Personally, I've never been

> > enamored of his work in the least.

> >

> > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in

> > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

> >

> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > --

> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com; ggs...@...; cinque3...@...

> > From: tdli...@...

> > Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 00:35:22 -0800

> > Subject: [scifinoir2] Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble - Villian Dispute

> >

> >

> >

> > [image: Bookmark and 
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> > [image: delays spidey]

> > This is a story I've been working on ever since I saw this December

> > 11th email that went out to the *Spider-Man 4* special effects crew that

> > day:

> > Hey there--

> > We were just notified that our schedule is pushing. We will NOT be starting

> > as planned. I’m terribly sorry for this news, and I hope this email 
> > reaches

> > you in time to find other options. We do not know how long we are pushing,

> > and we will not know until mid-January. By mid-January, we will be told how

> > long the push is, whether it be 2 weeks, 2 months, or something else. The

> > studio has every intention of making the movie, but we no longer have

> > a confirmed start date.

> > Again, I’m terribly sorry, but Sam Raimi has story issues [that] need to 
> > be

> > resolved before we are ready to shoot.

> > Feel free to call me if you have any questions.

> > VFX Team

> > [image: Sony_pictures_logo]At that point, it wasn't well known that the *

> > Spider-Man* franchise director who also is helming the 4th installment had

> > huge problems with the script that has run through screenwriters Jamie

> > Vanderbilt, David Lindsay-Abaire, and Gary Ross. I'm even told Sam Raimi had

> > been very vocal inside Sony that he "hated" it. Now Raimi and Sony are

> > anxiously waiting for still another version from screenwriter Alvin Sargent,

> > who wrote *Spidey 2* &* 3* and is married to *Spidey* franchise producer

&g