Re: [scifinoir2] Winona Ryder Becomes a Vulcan

2007-11-11 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) 
If it is an error, it does not change the feeling that I have had about 
Abrams since mission impossible. To me, it was just more of the same.

Astromancer wrote:
>
> Is this an error?
>
>
> Justin Mohareb <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > wrote:
> So, how does everyone feel now that they know it was an error in the
> article, hmm?
>
> JJ Mohareb
>
> On 11/11/07, Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > wrote:
> >
> > Stop being nice...that man's an idiot!
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
>  wrote: no, i think
> > Spock is now fully Vulcan. Maybe Abrams thinks he can explore a 
> Spock with
> > doubts and inner struggles without the mixed-race angle?
> >
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Re: [scifinoir2] Winona Ryder Becomes a Vulcan

2007-11-11 Thread Astromancer 
Until I read it, well, you know...

Justin Mohareb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Someone posted it yesterday.

I was primarily wondering if the chicken little-esque reactions were
abating any now that the facts were known.

JJ Mohareb

On Nov 11, 2007 12:43 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Are you telling us it was a misprint?
>
> Or assuming we knew and were just complaining for no reason?
>
> I haven't seen anything on the list to indicate it was "an error in the
> article."
>
> Hmmm, indeed.

> > So, how does everyone feel now that they know it was an error in the
> > article, hmm?

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Re: [scifinoir2] Winona Ryder Becomes a Vulcan

2007-11-11 Thread Astromancer 
Is this an error?
  

Justin Mohareb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  So, how does everyone feel now that they know it was an error in the
article, hmm?

JJ Mohareb

On 11/11/07, Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Stop being nice...that man's an idiot!
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote: no, i think
> Spock is now fully Vulcan. Maybe Abrams thinks he can explore a Spock with
> doubts and inner struggles without the mixed-race angle?
>

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Re: [scifinoir2] Winona Ryder Becomes a Vulcan

2007-11-11 Thread KeithBJohnson 
true!

-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Stop being nice...that man's an idiot!

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no, i think Spock is now fully Vulcan. Maybe Abrams 
thinks he can explore a Spock with doubts and inner struggles without the 
mixed-race angle?

-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer 
Yeah, I caught that later. I hadn't realized he did that...Has anyone that is 
making this movie actually seen Star Trek?? Or, like BSG, did they switch 
genders of the mom and pop??? Please at least tell me they made the father 
human...I mean, how else are you going to have a Vulcan who is half human??

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: true, but Lenard was more believable than i believe 
Ryder will be. of course, Vulcans age very slowly, so i guess that could work
the real issue is why is his mom no longer human?

-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer 
Remember that Mark Leonard, the actor who played spock's father was was only 3 
years older than Leonard Nimoy...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: okay, it's official: Abrams has lost his mind. The 
whole cornerstone of Spock was his half-human/half-Vulcan nature. it was at the 
core of his struggles. Why the hell change that? What are we gaining by this?
And why get an actress basically the same age as the guy planning her son?

I am very confused. 

-- Original message -- 
From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" 

> 
> 
> For Winona Ryder, it's a fine line between pixie-like and Vulcanesque. 
> 
> The actress has become the latest boldface name attached to J.J. Abrams' 
> highly anticipated reboot of the Star Trek franchise, signing on to star 
> as mother to a young Spock. 
> 
> It will be Ryder's biggest studio film since 2002, when the two-time 
> Oscar nominee costarred in Mr. Deeds with Adam Sandler and S1m0ne with 
> Al Pacino. Ryder laid low for several years following her shoplifting 
> arrest and has only appeared in a handful of mostly independent films, 
> most notably in Richard Linklater's 2006 rotoscope-animated feature, A 
> Scanner Darkly. 
> 
> Variety reports the erstwhile Heathers star will play the Vulcan mother 
> of the Starfleet logician, sending Trekkers into a tizzy. Abrams is 
> messing with a key element of the Star Trek canon: In all previous 
> installments of the franchise, Spock's mother was human, not Vulcan (the 
> pointy ears come courtesy of his father's side of the family). 
> 
> As conceived by Trek mastermind Gene Rodenberry, Spock's mother was 
> Amanda Grayson, a teacher who met and married Sarek, the Vulcan 
> Ambassador to Earth. The two later decamped to planet Vulcan. Spock's 
> maternal unit was first introduced in a 1967 episode of the original 
> series and portrayed by actress Jane Wyatt. Wyatt reprised the role in 
> Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home. 
> 
> The 36-year-old Ryder will mother Heroes' Zachary Quinto, an actor just 
> six years her junior. It's unclear whether movie makeup magic will make 
> up the age difference or whether Ryder's character will only appear in 
> flashback. Original Spock Leonard Nimoy is also slated to appear in a 
> cameo role, though it's unclear in what capacity. 
> 
> No official details have been released about the film's plot, other than 
> it will revolve around the Starship Enterprise crew's first mission 
> together. 
> 
> Ryder's addition signals the end of casting. In recent weeks, Abrams 
> beamed up Chris Pine (Kirk), Karl Urban (Dr. McCoy), Simon Pegg 
> (Scotty), John Cho (Sulu), Zoe Saldana (Uhura), Anton Yelchin (Chekov) 
> and Eric Bana (the nefarious Nero) to the film. 
> 
> Shooting is scheduled to begin on the film this month and is expected to 
> last through March 2008. The film is slated for a Christmas 2008 release. 
> http://tinyurl.com/yv57sh 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: [scifinoir2] Winona Ryder Becomes a Vulcan

2007-11-11 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) 
I don't know who posted it.  I never saw the misprint.  But I read the 
story at three sources news sources.  I think they were yahoo 
entertainment, ScifiWire and IGN who got it from variety.  If they were 
incorrect, wouldn't they print retractions?   I still do not think that 
it was incorrect.  Could you provide a link?

That being said, I do not think the reaction was chicken little-esque.  
Most of us are responding to the  selection of almost the entire cast.  
This was likely the last straw for some. 

Justin Mohareb wrote:
>
> Someone posted it yesterday.
>
> I was primarily wondering if the chicken little-esque reactions were
> abating any now that the facts were known.
>
> JJ Mohareb
>
> On Nov 11, 2007 12:43 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > Are you telling us it was a misprint?
> >
> > Or assuming we knew and were just complaining for no reason?
> >
> > I haven't seen anything on the list to indicate it was "an error in the
> > article."
> >
> > Hmmm, indeed.
>
> > > So, how does everyone feel now that they know it was an error in the
> > > article, hmm?
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Re: [scifinoir2] Winona Ryder Becomes a Vulcan

2007-11-11 Thread james 
Precisely.

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Daryle said:
>
> I haven¹t seen anything saying there was an error either.  But I¹ll tell
> you
> what. Even if this one detail turned out to be incorrect,  it still
> doesn¹t
> change the rest of the casting decisions and the stories that have NOT
> been
> denied. It also doesn¹t change anything that  we¹ve said about Abrams past
> projects, or Paramount¹s recent history of completely disregarding TOS
> canon. This project has had problems from day one, and it  will take BOTH
> the greatest picture of Abrams¹ career and the greatest Paramount movie
> since ³The Godfather² to turn it around.
>

Re: [scifinoir2] Winona Ryder Becomes a Vulcan

2007-11-11 Thread james 
Hmmm.  I've just checked the group archive and don't see that message. 
Care to re-forward?

Apparently, I am not the only person who missed it.

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> Someone posted it yesterday.
>
> I was primarily wondering if the chicken little-esque reactions were
> abating any now that the facts were known.
>
> JJ Mohareb
>
> On Nov 11, 2007 12:43 PM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Are you telling us it was a misprint?
>>
>>  Or assuming we knew and were just complaining for no reason?
>>
>>  I haven't seen anything on the list to indicate it was "an error in the
>>  article."
>>
>>  Hmmm, indeed.
>
>>  > So, how does everyone feel now that they know it was an error in the
>>  > article, hmm?
>
>
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Re: [scifinoir2] Winona Ryder Becomes a Vulcan

2007-11-11 Thread Justin Mohareb 
Someone posted it yesterday.

I was primarily wondering if the chicken little-esque reactions were
abating any now that the facts were known.

JJ Mohareb

On Nov 11, 2007 12:43 PM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Are you telling us it was a misprint?
>
>  Or assuming we knew and were just complaining for no reason?
>
>  I haven't seen anything on the list to indicate it was "an error in the
>  article."
>
>  Hmmm, indeed.

>  > So, how does everyone feel now that they know it was an error in the
>  > article, hmm?


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Re: [scifinoir2] Winona Ryder Becomes a Vulcan

2007-11-11 Thread Daryle 

I haven¹t seen anything saying there was an error either.  But I¹ll tell you
what. Even if this one detail turned out to be incorrect,  it still doesn¹t
change the rest of the casting decisions and the stories that have NOT been
denied. It also doesn¹t change anything that  we¹ve said about Abrams past
projects, or Paramount¹s recent history of completely disregarding TOS
canon. This project has had problems from day one, and it  will take BOTH
the greatest picture of Abrams¹ career and the greatest Paramount movie
since ³The Godfather² to turn it around.



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wrote:

>  
>  
>  
> 
> Are you telling us it was a misprint?
> 
> Or assuming we knew and were just complaining for no reason?
> 
> I haven't seen anything on the list to indicate it was "an error in the
> article."
> 
> Hmmm, indeed.
> 
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>> > So, how does everyone feel now that they know it was an error in the
>> > article, hmm?
>> >
>> > JJ Mohareb
>> >
>> > On 11/11/07, Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]  >
>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>   Stop being nice...that man's an idiot!
>>> >>
>>> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>>>  wrote: no, i
>>> >> think
>>> >> Spock is now fully Vulcan. Maybe Abrams thinks he can explore a Spock
>>> >> with
>>> >> doubts and inner struggles without the mixed-race angle?
>>> >>
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Re: [scifinoir2] Winona Ryder Becomes a Vulcan

2007-11-11 Thread james 
Are you telling us it was a misprint?

Or assuming we knew and were just complaining for no reason?

I haven't seen anything on the list to indicate it was "an error in the
article."

Hmmm, indeed.

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> So, how does everyone feel now that they know it was an error in the
> article, hmm?
>
> JJ Mohareb
>
> On 11/11/07, Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>   Stop being nice...that man's an idiot!
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote: no, i
>> think
>> Spock is now fully Vulcan. Maybe Abrams thinks he can explore a Spock
>> with
>> doubts and inner struggles without the mixed-race angle?
>>
>
>
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Re: [scifinoir2] Winona Ryder Becomes a Vulcan

2007-11-11 Thread Justin Mohareb 
So, how does everyone feel now that they know it was an error in the
article, hmm?

JJ Mohareb

On 11/11/07, Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   Stop being nice...that man's an idiot!
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote: no, i think
> Spock is now fully Vulcan. Maybe Abrams thinks he can explore a Spock with
> doubts and inner struggles without the mixed-race angle?
>


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Re: [scifinoir2] Winona Ryder Becomes a Vulcan

2007-11-11 Thread Astromancer 
Stop being nice...that man's an idiot!

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  no, i think Spock is now fully Vulcan. Maybe Abrams 
thinks he can explore a Spock with doubts and inner struggles without the 
mixed-race angle?

-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer 
Yeah, I caught that later. I hadn't realized he did that...Has anyone that is 
making this movie actually seen Star Trek?? Or, like BSG, did they switch 
genders of the mom and pop??? Please at least tell me they made the father 
human...I mean, how else are you going to have a Vulcan who is half human??

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: true, but Lenard was more believable than i believe 
Ryder will be. of course, Vulcans age very slowly, so i guess that could work
the real issue is why is his mom no longer human?

-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer 
Remember that Mark Leonard, the actor who played spock's father was was only 3 
years older than Leonard Nimoy...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: okay, it's official: Abrams has lost his mind. The 
whole cornerstone of Spock was his half-human/half-Vulcan nature. it was at the 
core of his struggles. Why the hell change that? What are we gaining by this?
And why get an actress basically the same age as the guy planning her son?

I am very confused. 

-- Original message -- 
From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" 

> 
> 
> For Winona Ryder, it's a fine line between pixie-like and Vulcanesque. 
> 
> The actress has become the latest boldface name attached to J.J. Abrams' 
> highly anticipated reboot of the Star Trek franchise, signing on to star 
> as mother to a young Spock. 
> 
> It will be Ryder's biggest studio film since 2002, when the two-time 
> Oscar nominee costarred in Mr. Deeds with Adam Sandler and S1m0ne with 
> Al Pacino. Ryder laid low for several years following her shoplifting 
> arrest and has only appeared in a handful of mostly independent films, 
> most notably in Richard Linklater's 2006 rotoscope-animated feature, A 
> Scanner Darkly. 
> 
> Variety reports the erstwhile Heathers star will play the Vulcan mother 
> of the Starfleet logician, sending Trekkers into a tizzy. Abrams is 
> messing with a key element of the Star Trek canon: In all previous 
> installments of the franchise, Spock's mother was human, not Vulcan (the 
> pointy ears come courtesy of his father's side of the family). 
> 
> As conceived by Trek mastermind Gene Rodenberry, Spock's mother was 
> Amanda Grayson, a teacher who met and married Sarek, the Vulcan 
> Ambassador to Earth. The two later decamped to planet Vulcan. Spock's 
> maternal unit was first introduced in a 1967 episode of the original 
> series and portrayed by actress Jane Wyatt. Wyatt reprised the role in 
> Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home. 
> 
> The 36-year-old Ryder will mother Heroes' Zachary Quinto, an actor just 
> six years her junior. It's unclear whether movie makeup magic will make 
> up the age difference or whether Ryder's character will only appear in 
> flashback. Original Spock Leonard Nimoy is also slated to appear in a 
> cameo role, though it's unclear in what capacity. 
> 
> No official details have been released about the film's plot, other than 
> it will revolve around the Starship Enterprise crew's first mission 
> together. 
> 
> Ryder's addition signals the end of casting. In recent weeks, Abrams 
> beamed up Chris Pine (Kirk), Karl Urban (Dr. McCoy), Simon Pegg 
> (Scotty), John Cho (Sulu), Zoe Saldana (Uhura), Anton Yelchin (Chekov) 
> and Eric Bana (the nefarious Nero) to the film. 
> 
> Shooting is scheduled to begin on the film this month and is expected to 
> last through March 2008. The film is slated for a Christmas 2008 release. 
> http://tinyurl.com/yv57sh 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: [scifinoir2] Winona Ryder Becomes a Vulcan

2007-11-10 Thread KeithBJohnson 
no, i think Spock is now fully Vulcan. Maybe Abrams thinks he can explore a 
Spock with doubts and inner struggles without the mixed-race angle?

-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Yeah, I caught that later. I hadn't realized he did that...Has anyone that is 
making this movie actually seen Star Trek?? Or, like BSG, did they switch 
genders of the mom and pop??? Please at least tell me they made the father 
human...I mean, how else are you going to have a Vulcan who is half human??

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: true, but Lenard was more believable than i believe 
Ryder will be. of course, Vulcans age very slowly, so i guess that could work
the real issue is why is his mom no longer human?

-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer 
Remember that Mark Leonard, the actor who played spock's father was was only 3 
years older than Leonard Nimoy...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: okay, it's official: Abrams has lost his mind. The 
whole cornerstone of Spock was his half-human/half-Vulcan nature. it was at the 
core of his struggles. Why the hell change that? What are we gaining by this?
And why get an actress basically the same age as the guy planning her son?

I am very confused. 

-- Original message -- 
From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" 

> 
> 
> For Winona Ryder, it's a fine line between pixie-like and Vulcanesque. 
> 
> The actress has become the latest boldface name attached to J.J. Abrams' 
> highly anticipated reboot of the Star Trek franchise, signing on to star 
> as mother to a young Spock. 
> 
> It will be Ryder's biggest studio film since 2002, when the two-time 
> Oscar nominee costarred in Mr. Deeds with Adam Sandler and S1m0ne with 
> Al Pacino. Ryder laid low for several years following her shoplifting 
> arrest and has only appeared in a handful of mostly independent films, 
> most notably in Richard Linklater's 2006 rotoscope-animated feature, A 
> Scanner Darkly. 
> 
> Variety reports the erstwhile Heathers star will play the Vulcan mother 
> of the Starfleet logician, sending Trekkers into a tizzy. Abrams is 
> messing with a key element of the Star Trek canon: In all previous 
> installments of the franchise, Spock's mother was human, not Vulcan (the 
> pointy ears come courtesy of his father's side of the family). 
> 
> As conceived by Trek mastermind Gene Rodenberry, Spock's mother was 
> Amanda Grayson, a teacher who met and married Sarek, the Vulcan 
> Ambassador to Earth. The two later decamped to planet Vulcan. Spock's 
> maternal unit was first introduced in a 1967 episode of the original 
> series and portrayed by actress Jane Wyatt. Wyatt reprised the role in 
> Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home. 
> 
> The 36-year-old Ryder will mother Heroes' Zachary Quinto, an actor just 
> six years her junior. It's unclear whether movie makeup magic will make 
> up the age difference or whether Ryder's character will only appear in 
> flashback. Original Spock Leonard Nimoy is also slated to appear in a 
> cameo role, though it's unclear in what capacity. 
> 
> No official details have been released about the film's plot, other than 
> it will revolve around the Starship Enterprise crew's first mission 
> together. 
> 
> Ryder's addition signals the end of casting. In recent weeks, Abrams 
> beamed up Chris Pine (Kirk), Karl Urban (Dr. McCoy), Simon Pegg 
> (Scotty), John Cho (Sulu), Zoe Saldana (Uhura), Anton Yelchin (Chekov) 
> and Eric Bana (the nefarious Nero) to the film. 
> 
> Shooting is scheduled to begin on the film this month and is expected to 
> last through March 2008. The film is slated for a Christmas 2008 release. 
> http://tinyurl.com/yv57sh 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: [scifinoir2] Winona Ryder Becomes a Vulcan

2007-11-10 Thread Astromancer 
Yeah, I caught that later. I hadn't realized he did that...Has anyone that is 
making this movie actually seen Star Trek?? Or, like BSG, did they switch 
genders of the mom and pop??? Please at least tell me they made the father 
human...I mean, how else are you going to have a Vulcan who is half human??

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  true, but Lenard was more believable than i believe 
Ryder will be. of course, Vulcans age very slowly, so i guess that could work
the real issue is why is his mom no longer human?

-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer 
Remember that Mark Leonard, the actor who played spock's father was was only 3 
years older than Leonard Nimoy...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: okay, it's official: Abrams has lost his mind. The 
whole cornerstone of Spock was his half-human/half-Vulcan nature. it was at the 
core of his struggles. Why the hell change that? What are we gaining by this?
And why get an actress basically the same age as the guy planning her son?

I am very confused. 

-- Original message -- 
From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" 

> 
> 
> For Winona Ryder, it's a fine line between pixie-like and Vulcanesque. 
> 
> The actress has become the latest boldface name attached to J.J. Abrams' 
> highly anticipated reboot of the Star Trek franchise, signing on to star 
> as mother to a young Spock. 
> 
> It will be Ryder's biggest studio film since 2002, when the two-time 
> Oscar nominee costarred in Mr. Deeds with Adam Sandler and S1m0ne with 
> Al Pacino. Ryder laid low for several years following her shoplifting 
> arrest and has only appeared in a handful of mostly independent films, 
> most notably in Richard Linklater's 2006 rotoscope-animated feature, A 
> Scanner Darkly. 
> 
> Variety reports the erstwhile Heathers star will play the Vulcan mother 
> of the Starfleet logician, sending Trekkers into a tizzy. Abrams is 
> messing with a key element of the Star Trek canon: In all previous 
> installments of the franchise, Spock's mother was human, not Vulcan (the 
> pointy ears come courtesy of his father's side of the family). 
> 
> As conceived by Trek mastermind Gene Rodenberry, Spock's mother was 
> Amanda Grayson, a teacher who met and married Sarek, the Vulcan 
> Ambassador to Earth. The two later decamped to planet Vulcan. Spock's 
> maternal unit was first introduced in a 1967 episode of the original 
> series and portrayed by actress Jane Wyatt. Wyatt reprised the role in 
> Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home. 
> 
> The 36-year-old Ryder will mother Heroes' Zachary Quinto, an actor just 
> six years her junior. It's unclear whether movie makeup magic will make 
> up the age difference or whether Ryder's character will only appear in 
> flashback. Original Spock Leonard Nimoy is also slated to appear in a 
> cameo role, though it's unclear in what capacity. 
> 
> No official details have been released about the film's plot, other than 
> it will revolve around the Starship Enterprise crew's first mission 
> together. 
> 
> Ryder's addition signals the end of casting. In recent weeks, Abrams 
> beamed up Chris Pine (Kirk), Karl Urban (Dr. McCoy), Simon Pegg 
> (Scotty), John Cho (Sulu), Zoe Saldana (Uhura), Anton Yelchin (Chekov) 
> and Eric Bana (the nefarious Nero) to the film. 
> 
> Shooting is scheduled to begin on the film this month and is expected to 
> last through March 2008. The film is slated for a Christmas 2008 release. 
> http://tinyurl.com/yv57sh 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: [scifinoir2] Winona Ryder Becomes a Vulcan

2007-11-10 Thread KeithBJohnson 
true, but Lenard was more believable than i believe Ryder will be. of course, 
Vulcans age very slowly, so i guess that could work
the real issue is why is his mom no longer human?

-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Remember that Mark Leonard, the actor who played spock's father was was only 3 
years older than Leonard Nimoy...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: okay, it's official: Abrams has lost his mind. The 
whole cornerstone of Spock was his half-human/half-Vulcan nature. it was at the 
core of his struggles. Why the hell change that? What are we gaining by this?
And why get an actress basically the same age as the guy planning her son?

I am very confused. 

-- Original message -- 
From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

> 
> 
> For Winona Ryder, it's a fine line between pixie-like and Vulcanesque. 
> 
> The actress has become the latest boldface name attached to J.J. Abrams' 
> highly anticipated reboot of the Star Trek franchise, signing on to star 
> as mother to a young Spock. 
> 
> It will be Ryder's biggest studio film since 2002, when the two-time 
> Oscar nominee costarred in Mr. Deeds with Adam Sandler and S1m0ne with 
> Al Pacino. Ryder laid low for several years following her shoplifting 
> arrest and has only appeared in a handful of mostly independent films, 
> most notably in Richard Linklater's 2006 rotoscope-animated feature, A 
> Scanner Darkly. 
> 
> Variety reports the erstwhile Heathers star will play the Vulcan mother 
> of the Starfleet logician, sending Trekkers into a tizzy. Abrams is 
> messing with a key element of the Star Trek canon: In all previous 
> installments of the franchise, Spock's mother was human, not Vulcan (the 
> pointy ears come courtesy of his father's side of the family). 
> 
> As conceived by Trek mastermind Gene Rodenberry, Spock's mother was 
> Amanda Grayson, a teacher who met and married Sarek, the Vulcan 
> Ambassador to Earth. The two later decamped to planet Vulcan. Spock's 
> maternal unit was first introduced in a 1967 episode of the original 
> series and portrayed by actress Jane Wyatt. Wyatt reprised the role in 
> Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home. 
> 
> The 36-year-old Ryder will mother Heroes' Zachary Quinto, an actor just 
> six years her junior. It's unclear whether movie makeup magic will make 
> up the age difference or whether Ryder's character will only appear in 
> flashback. Original Spock Leonard Nimoy is also slated to appear in a 
> cameo role, though it's unclear in what capacity. 
> 
> No official details have been released about the film's plot, other than 
> it will revolve around the Starship Enterprise crew's first mission 
> together. 
> 
> Ryder's addition signals the end of casting. In recent weeks, Abrams 
> beamed up Chris Pine (Kirk), Karl Urban (Dr. McCoy), Simon Pegg 
> (Scotty), John Cho (Sulu), Zoe Saldana (Uhura), Anton Yelchin (Chekov) 
> and Eric Bana (the nefarious Nero) to the film. 
> 
> Shooting is scheduled to begin on the film this month and is expected to 
> last through March 2008. The film is slated for a Christmas 2008 release. 
> http://tinyurl.com/yv57sh 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: [scifinoir2] Winona Ryder Becomes a Vulcan

2007-11-10 Thread KeithBJohnson 
amen!

-- Original message -- 
From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
*Three*...

Martin (feeling like he's auditioning for "The Electric Company")

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: okay, it's official: Abrams has lost his mind. The 
whole cornerstone of Spock was his half-human/half-Vulcan nature. it was at the 
core of his struggles. Why the hell change that? What are we gaining by this?
And why get an actress basically the same age as the guy planning her son?

I am very confused. 

-- Original message -- 
From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

> 
> 
> For Winona Ryder, it's a fine line between pixie-like and Vulcanesque. 
> 
> The actress has become the latest boldface name attached to J.J. Abrams' 
> highly anticipated reboot of the Star Trek franchise, signing on to star 
> as mother to a young Spock. 
> 
> It will be Ryder's biggest studio film since 2002, when the two-time 
> Oscar nominee costarred in Mr. Deeds with Adam Sandler and S1m0ne with 
> Al Pacino. Ryder laid low for several years following her shoplifting 
> arrest and has only appeared in a handful of mostly independent films, 
> most notably in Richard Linklater's 2006 rotoscope-animated feature, A 
> Scanner Darkly. 
> 
> Variety reports the erstwhile Heathers star will play the Vulcan mother 
> of the Starfleet logician, sending Trekkers into a tizzy. Abrams is 
> messing with a key element of the Star Trek canon: In all previous 
> installments of the franchise, Spock's mother was human, not Vulcan (the 
> pointy ears come courtesy of his father's side of the family). 
> 
> As conceived by Trek mastermind Gene Rodenberry, Spock's mother was 
> Amanda Grayson, a teacher who met and married Sarek, the Vulcan 
> Ambassador to Earth. The two later decamped to planet Vulcan. Spock's 
> maternal unit was first introduced in a 1967 episode of the original 
> series and portrayed by actress Jane Wyatt. Wyatt reprised the role in 
> Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home. 
> 
> The 36-year-old Ryder will mother Heroes' Zachary Quinto, an actor just 
> six years her junior. It's unclear whether movie makeup magic will make 
> up the age difference or whether Ryder's character will only appear in 
> flashback. Original Spock Leonard Nimoy is also slated to appear in a 
> cameo role, though it's unclear in what capacity. 
> 
> No official details have been released about the film's plot, other than 
> it will revolve around the Starship Enterprise crew's first mission 
> together. 
> 
> Ryder's addition signals the end of casting. In recent weeks, Abrams 
> beamed up Chris Pine (Kirk), Karl Urban (Dr. McCoy), Simon Pegg 
> (Scotty), John Cho (Sulu), Zoe Saldana (Uhura), Anton Yelchin (Chekov) 
> and Eric Bana (the nefarious Nero) to the film. 
> 
> Shooting is scheduled to begin on the film this month and is expected to 
> last through March 2008. The film is slated for a Christmas 2008 release. 
> http://tinyurl.com/yv57sh 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: [scifinoir2] Winona Ryder Becomes a Vulcan

2007-11-10 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) 
I think the phenomenal success of the first season of Lost is what sent 
his ego over the edge

Martin wrote:
>
> Abrams is too drunk on his own brief success. IMO, he lucked out with 
> the one flavor-of-the-moment show in "Alias", and no one's bothered to 
> check him. Did he do "Lost", too? Don't know because I don't watch it.
>
> James Landrith <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> <mailto:james%40jameslandrith.com>> wrote: This is brazen ass-clownery 
> of the highest order.
>
> Spock's bi-species (is that a word?) heritage was a recurring plot device
> and was responsible for more than one excellent look into his character's
> inner turmoil and struggle with his dual heritages.
>
> WTF is wrong with Abrams?
>
> From: Daryle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> <mailto:yokozuna%40globalsoulmedia.com>]
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 1:41 PM
> To: SciFi Noir
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Winona Ryder Becomes a Vulcan
>
> Well, that makes it official. This movie sucks. Time to give Woody Allen
> movie #12 so we can just pack it in and go home. They may as well have 
> left
> Berman in charge. Has JJ Abrams SEEN Star Trek? Anyone who has seen half a
> season of TOS knows Amanda is human. Why not put Sarek in the movie?
>
> On 11/9/07 12:46 PM, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> <mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com>
> <mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com> > wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > For Winona Ryder, it's a fine line between pixie-like and Vulcanesque.
> >
> > The actress has become the latest boldface name attached to J.J. Abrams'
> > highly anticipated reboot of the Star Trek franchise, signing on to star
> > as mother to a young Spock.
> >
> > It will be Ryder's biggest studio film since 2002, when the two-time
> > Oscar nominee costarred in Mr. Deeds with Adam Sandler and S1m0ne with
> > Al Pacino. Ryder laid low for several years following her shoplifting
> > arrest and has only appeared in a handful of mostly independent films,
> > most notably in Richard Linklater's 2006 rotoscope-animated feature, A
> > Scanner Darkly.
> >
> > Variety reports the erstwhile Heathers star will play the Vulcan mother
> > of the Starfleet logician, sending Trekkers into a tizzy. Abrams is
> > messing with a key element of the Star Trek canon: In all previous
> > installments of the franchise, Spock's mother was human, not Vulcan (the
> > pointy ears come courtesy of his father's side of the family).
> >
> > As conceived by Trek mastermind Gene Rodenberry, Spock's mother was
> > Amanda Grayson, a teacher who met and married Sarek, the Vulcan
> > Ambassador to Earth. The two later decamped to planet Vulcan. Spock's
> > maternal unit was first introduced in a 1967 episode of the original
> > series and portrayed by actress Jane Wyatt. Wyatt reprised the role in
> > Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home.
> >
> > The 36-year-old Ryder will mother Heroes' Zachary Quinto, an actor just
> > six years her junior. It's unclear whether movie makeup magic will make
> > up the age difference or whether Ryder's character will only appear in
> > flashback. Original Spock Leonard Nimoy is also slated to appear in a
> > cameo role, though it's unclear in what capacity.
> >
> > No official details have been released about the film's plot, other than
> > it will revolve around the Starship Enterprise crew's first mission
> > together.
> >
> > Ryder's addition signals the end of casting. In recent weeks, Abrams
> > beamed up Chris Pine (Kirk), Karl Urban (Dr. McCoy), Simon Pegg
> > (Scotty), John Cho (Sulu), Zoe Saldana (Uhura), Anton Yelchin (Chekov)
> > and Eric Bana (the nefarious Nero) to the film.
> >
> > Shooting is scheduled to begin on the film this month and is expected to
> > last through March 2008. The film is slated for a Christmas 2008 
> release.
> > http://tinyurl.com/yv57sh <http://tinyurl.com/yv57sh>
> >
> >
>
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RE: [scifinoir2] Winona Ryder Becomes a Vulcan

2007-11-10 Thread Martin 
Abrams is too drunk on his own brief success. IMO, he lucked out with the one 
flavor-of-the-moment show in "Alias", and no one's bothered to check him. Did 
he do "Lost", too? Don't know because I don't watch it.

James Landrith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  This is brazen ass-clownery 
of the highest order.

Spock's bi-species (is that a word?) heritage was a recurring plot device
and was responsible for more than one excellent look into his character's
inner turmoil and struggle with his dual heritages.

WTF is wrong with Abrams?

From: Daryle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 1:41 PM
To: SciFi Noir
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Winona Ryder Becomes a Vulcan

Well, that makes it official. This movie sucks. Time to give Woody Allen
movie #12 so we can just pack it in and go home. They may as well have left
Berman in charge. Has JJ Abrams SEEN Star Trek? Anyone who has seen half a
season of TOS knows Amanda is human. Why not put Sarek in the movie?

On 11/9/07 12:46 PM, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com> > wrote:

> 
> 
> For Winona Ryder, it's a fine line between pixie-like and Vulcanesque.
> 
> The actress has become the latest boldface name attached to J.J. Abrams'
> highly anticipated reboot of the Star Trek franchise, signing on to star
> as mother to a young Spock.
> 
> It will be Ryder's biggest studio film since 2002, when the two-time
> Oscar nominee costarred in Mr. Deeds with Adam Sandler and S1m0ne with
> Al Pacino. Ryder laid low for several years following her shoplifting
> arrest and has only appeared in a handful of mostly independent films,
> most notably in Richard Linklater's 2006 rotoscope-animated feature, A
> Scanner Darkly.
> 
> Variety reports the erstwhile Heathers star will play the Vulcan mother
> of the Starfleet logician, sending Trekkers into a tizzy. Abrams is
> messing with a key element of the Star Trek canon: In all previous
> installments of the franchise, Spock's mother was human, not Vulcan (the
> pointy ears come courtesy of his father's side of the family).
> 
> As conceived by Trek mastermind Gene Rodenberry, Spock's mother was
> Amanda Grayson, a teacher who met and married Sarek, the Vulcan
> Ambassador to Earth. The two later decamped to planet Vulcan. Spock's
> maternal unit was first introduced in a 1967 episode of the original
> series and portrayed by actress Jane Wyatt. Wyatt reprised the role in
> Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home.
> 
> The 36-year-old Ryder will mother Heroes' Zachary Quinto, an actor just
> six years her junior. It's unclear whether movie makeup magic will make
> up the age difference or whether Ryder's character will only appear in
> flashback. Original Spock Leonard Nimoy is also slated to appear in a
> cameo role, though it's unclear in what capacity.
> 
> No official details have been released about the film's plot, other than
> it will revolve around the Starship Enterprise crew's first mission
> together.
> 
> Ryder's addition signals the end of casting. In recent weeks, Abrams
> beamed up Chris Pine (Kirk), Karl Urban (Dr. McCoy), Simon Pegg
> (Scotty), John Cho (Sulu), Zoe Saldana (Uhura), Anton Yelchin (Chekov)
> and Eric Bana (the nefarious Nero) to the film.
> 
> Shooting is scheduled to begin on the film this month and is expected to
> last through March 2008. The film is slated for a Christmas 2008 release.
> http://tinyurl.com/yv57sh
> 
> 

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Re: [scifinoir2] Winona Ryder Becomes a Vulcan

2007-11-10 Thread Martin 
True. Make-up does wonders.

Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Remember that Mark Leonard, the 
actor who played spock's father was was only 3 years older than Leonard Nimoy...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: okay, it's official: Abrams has lost his mind. The 
whole cornerstone of Spock was his half-human/half-Vulcan nature. it was at the 
core of his struggles. Why the hell change that? What are we gaining by this?
And why get an actress basically the same age as the guy planning her son?

I am very confused. 

-- Original message -- 
From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

> 
> 
> For Winona Ryder, it's a fine line between pixie-like and Vulcanesque. 
> 
> The actress has become the latest boldface name attached to J.J. Abrams' 
> highly anticipated reboot of the Star Trek franchise, signing on to star 
> as mother to a young Spock. 
> 
> It will be Ryder's biggest studio film since 2002, when the two-time 
> Oscar nominee costarred in Mr. Deeds with Adam Sandler and S1m0ne with 
> Al Pacino. Ryder laid low for several years following her shoplifting 
> arrest and has only appeared in a handful of mostly independent films, 
> most notably in Richard Linklater's 2006 rotoscope-animated feature, A 
> Scanner Darkly. 
> 
> Variety reports the erstwhile Heathers star will play the Vulcan mother 
> of the Starfleet logician, sending Trekkers into a tizzy. Abrams is 
> messing with a key element of the Star Trek canon: In all previous 
> installments of the franchise, Spock's mother was human, not Vulcan (the 
> pointy ears come courtesy of his father's side of the family). 
> 
> As conceived by Trek mastermind Gene Rodenberry, Spock's mother was 
> Amanda Grayson, a teacher who met and married Sarek, the Vulcan 
> Ambassador to Earth. The two later decamped to planet Vulcan. Spock's 
> maternal unit was first introduced in a 1967 episode of the original 
> series and portrayed by actress Jane Wyatt. Wyatt reprised the role in 
> Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home. 
> 
> The 36-year-old Ryder will mother Heroes' Zachary Quinto, an actor just 
> six years her junior. It's unclear whether movie makeup magic will make 
> up the age difference or whether Ryder's character will only appear in 
> flashback. Original Spock Leonard Nimoy is also slated to appear in a 
> cameo role, though it's unclear in what capacity. 
> 
> No official details have been released about the film's plot, other than 
> it will revolve around the Starship Enterprise crew's first mission 
> together. 
> 
> Ryder's addition signals the end of casting. In recent weeks, Abrams 
> beamed up Chris Pine (Kirk), Karl Urban (Dr. McCoy), Simon Pegg 
> (Scotty), John Cho (Sulu), Zoe Saldana (Uhura), Anton Yelchin (Chekov) 
> and Eric Bana (the nefarious Nero) to the film. 
> 
> Shooting is scheduled to begin on the film this month and is expected to 
> last through March 2008. The film is slated for a Christmas 2008 release. 
> http://tinyurl.com/yv57sh 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links 
> 
> 
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Re: [scifinoir2] Winona Ryder Becomes a Vulcan

2007-11-10 Thread Astromancer 
Remember that Mark Leonard, the actor who played spock's father was was only 3 
years older than Leonard Nimoy...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  okay, it's official: Abrams has lost his 
mind. The whole cornerstone of Spock was his half-human/half-Vulcan nature. it 
was at the core of his struggles. Why the hell change that? What are we gaining 
by this?
And why get an actress basically the same age as the guy planning her son?

I am very confused. 

-- Original message -- 
From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

> 
> 
> For Winona Ryder, it's a fine line between pixie-like and Vulcanesque. 
> 
> The actress has become the latest boldface name attached to J.J. Abrams' 
> highly anticipated reboot of the Star Trek franchise, signing on to star 
> as mother to a young Spock. 
> 
> It will be Ryder's biggest studio film since 2002, when the two-time 
> Oscar nominee costarred in Mr. Deeds with Adam Sandler and S1m0ne with 
> Al Pacino. Ryder laid low for several years following her shoplifting 
> arrest and has only appeared in a handful of mostly independent films, 
> most notably in Richard Linklater's 2006 rotoscope-animated feature, A 
> Scanner Darkly. 
> 
> Variety reports the erstwhile Heathers star will play the Vulcan mother 
> of the Starfleet logician, sending Trekkers into a tizzy. Abrams is 
> messing with a key element of the Star Trek canon: In all previous 
> installments of the franchise, Spock's mother was human, not Vulcan (the 
> pointy ears come courtesy of his father's side of the family). 
> 
> As conceived by Trek mastermind Gene Rodenberry, Spock's mother was 
> Amanda Grayson, a teacher who met and married Sarek, the Vulcan 
> Ambassador to Earth. The two later decamped to planet Vulcan. Spock's 
> maternal unit was first introduced in a 1967 episode of the original 
> series and portrayed by actress Jane Wyatt. Wyatt reprised the role in 
> Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home. 
> 
> The 36-year-old Ryder will mother Heroes' Zachary Quinto, an actor just 
> six years her junior. It's unclear whether movie makeup magic will make 
> up the age difference or whether Ryder's character will only appear in 
> flashback. Original Spock Leonard Nimoy is also slated to appear in a 
> cameo role, though it's unclear in what capacity. 
> 
> No official details have been released about the film's plot, other than 
> it will revolve around the Starship Enterprise crew's first mission 
> together. 
> 
> Ryder's addition signals the end of casting. In recent weeks, Abrams 
> beamed up Chris Pine (Kirk), Karl Urban (Dr. McCoy), Simon Pegg 
> (Scotty), John Cho (Sulu), Zoe Saldana (Uhura), Anton Yelchin (Chekov) 
> and Eric Bana (the nefarious Nero) to the film. 
> 
> Shooting is scheduled to begin on the film this month and is expected to 
> last through March 2008. The film is slated for a Christmas 2008 release. 
> http://tinyurl.com/yv57sh 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: [scifinoir2] Winona Ryder Becomes a Vulcan

2007-11-10 Thread Martin 
*Three*...

Martin (feeling like he's auditioning for "The Electric Company")

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   okay, it's official: 
Abrams has lost his mind. The whole cornerstone of Spock was his 
half-human/half-Vulcan nature. it was at the core of his struggles. Why the 
hell change that? What are we gaining by this?
 And why get an actress basically the same age as the guy planning her son?
 
 I am very confused. 
 
 -- Original message -- 
 From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
 
 > 
 > 
 > For Winona Ryder, it's a fine line between pixie-like and Vulcanesque. 
 > 
 > The actress has become the latest boldface name attached to J.J. Abrams' 
 > highly anticipated reboot of the Star Trek franchise, signing on to star 
 > as mother to a young Spock. 
 > 
 > It will be Ryder's biggest studio film since 2002, when the two-time 
 > Oscar nominee costarred in Mr. Deeds with Adam Sandler and S1m0ne with 
 > Al Pacino. Ryder laid low for several years following her shoplifting 
 > arrest and has only appeared in a handful of mostly independent films, 
 > most notably in Richard Linklater's 2006 rotoscope-animated feature, A 
 > Scanner Darkly. 
 > 
 > Variety reports the erstwhile Heathers star will play the Vulcan mother 
 > of the Starfleet logician, sending Trekkers into a tizzy. Abrams is 
 > messing with a key element of the Star Trek canon: In all previous 
 > installments of the franchise, Spock's mother was human, not Vulcan (the 
 > pointy ears come courtesy of his father's side of the family). 
 > 
 > As conceived by Trek mastermind Gene Rodenberry, Spock's mother was 
 > Amanda Grayson, a teacher who met and married Sarek, the Vulcan 
 > Ambassador to Earth. The two later decamped to planet Vulcan. Spock's 
 > maternal unit was first introduced in a 1967 episode of the original 
 > series and portrayed by actress Jane Wyatt. Wyatt reprised the role in 
 > Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home. 
 > 
 > The 36-year-old Ryder will mother Heroes' Zachary Quinto, an actor just 
 > six years her junior. It's unclear whether movie makeup magic will make 
 > up the age difference or whether Ryder's character will only appear in 
 > flashback. Original Spock Leonard Nimoy is also slated to appear in a 
 > cameo role, though it's unclear in what capacity. 
 > 
 > No official details have been released about the film's plot, other than 
 > it will revolve around the Starship Enterprise crew's first mission 
 > together. 
 > 
 > Ryder's addition signals the end of casting. In recent weeks, Abrams 
 > beamed up Chris Pine (Kirk), Karl Urban (Dr. McCoy), Simon Pegg 
 > (Scotty), John Cho (Sulu), Zoe Saldana (Uhura), Anton Yelchin (Chekov) 
 > and Eric Bana (the nefarious Nero) to the film. 
 > 
 > Shooting is scheduled to begin on the film this month and is expected to 
 > last through March 2008. The film is slated for a Christmas 2008 release. 
 > http://tinyurl.com/yv57sh 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > Yahoo! Groups Links 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 
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Re: [scifinoir2] Winona Ryder Becomes a Vulcan

2007-11-09 Thread KeithBJohnson 
okay, it's official: Abrams has lost his mind. The whole cornerstone of Spock 
was his half-human/half-Vulcan nature. it was at the core of his struggles. Why 
the hell change that? What are we gaining by this?
And why get an actress basically the same age as the guy planning her son?

I am very confused. 

-- Original message -- 
From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

> 
> 
> For Winona Ryder, it's a fine line between pixie-like and Vulcanesque. 
> 
> The actress has become the latest boldface name attached to J.J. Abrams' 
> highly anticipated reboot of the Star Trek franchise, signing on to star 
> as mother to a young Spock. 
> 
> It will be Ryder's biggest studio film since 2002, when the two-time 
> Oscar nominee costarred in Mr. Deeds with Adam Sandler and S1m0ne with 
> Al Pacino. Ryder laid low for several years following her shoplifting 
> arrest and has only appeared in a handful of mostly independent films, 
> most notably in Richard Linklater's 2006 rotoscope-animated feature, A 
> Scanner Darkly. 
> 
> Variety reports the erstwhile Heathers star will play the Vulcan mother 
> of the Starfleet logician, sending Trekkers into a tizzy. Abrams is 
> messing with a key element of the Star Trek canon: In all previous 
> installments of the franchise, Spock's mother was human, not Vulcan (the 
> pointy ears come courtesy of his father's side of the family). 
> 
> As conceived by Trek mastermind Gene Rodenberry, Spock's mother was 
> Amanda Grayson, a teacher who met and married Sarek, the Vulcan 
> Ambassador to Earth. The two later decamped to planet Vulcan. Spock's 
> maternal unit was first introduced in a 1967 episode of the original 
> series and portrayed by actress Jane Wyatt. Wyatt reprised the role in 
> Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home. 
> 
> The 36-year-old Ryder will mother Heroes' Zachary Quinto, an actor just 
> six years her junior. It's unclear whether movie makeup magic will make 
> up the age difference or whether Ryder's character will only appear in 
> flashback. Original Spock Leonard Nimoy is also slated to appear in a 
> cameo role, though it's unclear in what capacity. 
> 
> No official details have been released about the film's plot, other than 
> it will revolve around the Starship Enterprise crew's first mission 
> together. 
> 
> Ryder's addition signals the end of casting. In recent weeks, Abrams 
> beamed up Chris Pine (Kirk), Karl Urban (Dr. McCoy), Simon Pegg 
> (Scotty), John Cho (Sulu), Zoe Saldana (Uhura), Anton Yelchin (Chekov) 
> and Eric Bana (the nefarious Nero) to the film. 
> 
> Shooting is scheduled to begin on the film this month and is expected to 
> last through March 2008. The film is slated for a Christmas 2008 release. 
> http://tinyurl.com/yv57sh 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: [scifinoir2] Winona Ryder Becomes a Vulcan

2007-11-09 Thread Daryle 

Agreed. 

Even the worst Star Trek movie of them all (well, I guess that title¹s about
be moved) had one such excellent look into Spock¹s inner conflict. Meaning,
even the worst Star Trek movie did not ignore Gene Roddenberry¹s vision.
Even ³Enterprise² didn¹t go this far. Why not just get the cheerleader girl
from Heroes, cast her as Amanda, and call it a day? Why is sticking to the
premise of the show so difficult for Paramount?
 

On 11/9/07 2:29 PM, "James Landrith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  
>  
>  
> 
> This is brazen ass-clownery of the highest order.
> 
> Spock's bi-species (is that a word?) heritage was a recurring plot device
> and was responsible for more than one excellent look into his character's
> inner turmoil and struggle with his dual heritages.
> 
> WTF is wrong with Abrams?
> 
> From: Daryle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:yokozuna%40globalsoulmedia.com> ]
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 1:41 PM
> To: SciFi Noir
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Winona Ryder Becomes a Vulcan
> 
> Well, that makes it official. This movie sucks. Time to give Woody Allen
> movie #12 so we can just pack it in and go home. They may as well have left
> Berman in charge. Has JJ Abrams SEEN Star Trek? Anyone who has seen half a
> season of TOS knows Amanda is human. Why not put Sarek in the movie?
> 
> On 11/9/07 12:46 PM, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com>
> <mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com> > wrote:
> 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > For Winona Ryder, it's a fine line between pixie-like and Vulcanesque.
>> > 
>> > The actress has become the latest boldface name attached to J.J. Abrams'
>> > highly anticipated reboot of the Star Trek franchise, signing on to star
>> > as mother to a young Spock.
>> > 
>> > It will be Ryder's biggest studio film since 2002, when the two-time
>> > Oscar nominee costarred in Mr. Deeds with Adam Sandler and S1m0ne with
>> > Al Pacino. Ryder laid low for several years following her shoplifting
>> > arrest and has only appeared in a handful of mostly independent films,
>> > most notably in Richard Linklater's 2006 rotoscope-animated feature, A
>> > Scanner Darkly.
>> > 
>> > Variety reports the erstwhile Heathers star will play the Vulcan mother
>> > of the Starfleet logician, sending Trekkers into a tizzy. Abrams is
>> > messing with a key element of the Star Trek canon: In all previous
>> > installments of the franchise, Spock's mother was human, not Vulcan (the
>> > pointy ears come courtesy of his father's side of the family).
>> > 
>> > As conceived by Trek mastermind Gene Rodenberry, Spock's mother was
>> > Amanda Grayson, a teacher who met and married Sarek, the Vulcan
>> > Ambassador to Earth. The two later decamped to planet Vulcan. Spock's
>> > maternal unit was first introduced in a 1967 episode of the original
>> > series and portrayed by actress Jane Wyatt. Wyatt reprised the role in
>> > Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home.
>> > 
>> > The 36-year-old Ryder will mother Heroes' Zachary Quinto, an actor just
>> > six years her junior. It's unclear whether movie makeup magic will make
>> > up the age difference or whether Ryder's character will only appear in
>> > flashback. Original Spock Leonard Nimoy is also slated to appear in a
>> > cameo role, though it's unclear in what capacity.
>> > 
>> > No official details have been released about the film's plot, other than
>> > it will revolve around the Starship Enterprise crew's first mission
>> > together.
>> > 
>> > Ryder's addition signals the end of casting. In recent weeks, Abrams
>> > beamed up Chris Pine (Kirk), Karl Urban (Dr. McCoy), Simon Pegg
>> > (Scotty), John Cho (Sulu), Zoe Saldana (Uhura), Anton Yelchin (Chekov)
>> > and Eric Bana (the nefarious Nero) to the film.
>> > 
>> > Shooting is scheduled to begin on the film this month and is expected to
>> > last through March 2008. The film is slated for a Christmas 2008 release.
>> > http://tinyurl.com/yv57sh
>> > 
>> > 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
>  
> 




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RE: [scifinoir2] Winona Ryder Becomes a Vulcan

2007-11-09 Thread James Landrith 
This is brazen ass-clownery of the highest order.

 

Spock's bi-species (is that a word?) heritage was a recurring plot device
and was responsible for more than one excellent look into his character's
inner turmoil and struggle with his dual heritages.

 

WTF is wrong with Abrams?

 

 

 

From: Daryle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 1:41 PM
To: SciFi Noir
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Winona Ryder Becomes a Vulcan

 

Well, that makes it official. This movie sucks. Time to give Woody Allen
movie #12 so we can just pack it in and go home. They may as well have left
Berman in charge. Has JJ Abrams SEEN Star Trek? Anyone who has seen half a
season of TOS knows Amanda is human. Why not put Sarek in the movie?

On 11/9/07 12:46 PM, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com> > wrote:

> 
> 
> For Winona Ryder, it's a fine line between pixie-like and Vulcanesque.
> 
> The actress has become the latest boldface name attached to J.J. Abrams'
> highly anticipated reboot of the Star Trek franchise, signing on to star
> as mother to a young Spock.
> 
> It will be Ryder's biggest studio film since 2002, when the two-time
> Oscar nominee costarred in Mr. Deeds with Adam Sandler and S1m0ne with
> Al Pacino. Ryder laid low for several years following her shoplifting
> arrest and has only appeared in a handful of mostly independent films,
> most notably in Richard Linklater's 2006 rotoscope-animated feature, A
> Scanner Darkly.
> 
> Variety reports the erstwhile Heathers star will play the Vulcan mother
> of the Starfleet logician, sending Trekkers into a tizzy. Abrams is
> messing with a key element of the Star Trek canon: In all previous
> installments of the franchise, Spock's mother was human, not Vulcan (the
> pointy ears come courtesy of his father's side of the family).
> 
> As conceived by Trek mastermind Gene Rodenberry, Spock's mother was
> Amanda Grayson, a teacher who met and married Sarek, the Vulcan
> Ambassador to Earth. The two later decamped to planet Vulcan. Spock's
> maternal unit was first introduced in a 1967 episode of the original
> series and portrayed by actress Jane Wyatt. Wyatt reprised the role in
> Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home.
> 
> The 36-year-old Ryder will mother Heroes' Zachary Quinto, an actor just
> six years her junior. It's unclear whether movie makeup magic will make
> up the age difference or whether Ryder's character will only appear in
> flashback. Original Spock Leonard Nimoy is also slated to appear in a
> cameo role, though it's unclear in what capacity.
> 
> No official details have been released about the film's plot, other than
> it will revolve around the Starship Enterprise crew's first mission
> together.
> 
> Ryder's addition signals the end of casting. In recent weeks, Abrams
> beamed up Chris Pine (Kirk), Karl Urban (Dr. McCoy), Simon Pegg
> (Scotty), John Cho (Sulu), Zoe Saldana (Uhura), Anton Yelchin (Chekov)
> and Eric Bana (the nefarious Nero) to the film.
> 
> Shooting is scheduled to begin on the film this month and is expected to
> last through March 2008. The film is slated for a Christmas 2008 release.
> http://tinyurl.com/yv57sh
> 
> 

 



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Re: [scifinoir2] Winona Ryder Becomes a Vulcan

2007-11-09 Thread Daryle 
Well, that makes it official. This movie sucks. Time to give Woody Allen
movie #12 so we can just pack it in and go home. They may as well have left
Berman in charge. Has JJ Abrams SEEN Star Trek? Anyone who has seen half a
season of TOS knows Amanda is human. Why not put Sarek in the movie?


On 11/9/07 12:46 PM, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> 
> For Winona Ryder, it's a fine line between pixie-like and Vulcanesque.
> 
> The actress has become the latest boldface name attached to J.J. Abrams'
> highly anticipated reboot of the Star Trek franchise, signing on to star
> as mother to a young Spock.
> 
> It will be Ryder's biggest studio film since 2002, when the two-time
> Oscar nominee costarred in Mr. Deeds with Adam Sandler and S1m0ne with
> Al Pacino. Ryder laid low for several years following her shoplifting
> arrest and has only appeared in a handful of mostly independent films,
> most notably in Richard Linklater's 2006 rotoscope-animated feature, A
> Scanner Darkly.
> 
> Variety reports the erstwhile Heathers star will play the Vulcan mother
> of the Starfleet logician,  sending Trekkers into a tizzy. Abrams is
> messing with a key element of the Star Trek canon: In all previous
> installments of the franchise, Spock's mother was human, not Vulcan (the
> pointy ears come courtesy of his father's side of the family).
> 
> As conceived by Trek mastermind Gene Rodenberry, Spock's mother was
> Amanda Grayson, a teacher who met and married Sarek, the Vulcan
> Ambassador to Earth. The two later decamped  to planet Vulcan. Spock's
> maternal unit was first introduced in a 1967 episode of the original
> series and portrayed by actress Jane Wyatt. Wyatt reprised the role in
> Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home.
> 
> The 36-year-old Ryder will mother Heroes' Zachary Quinto, an actor just
> six years her junior. It's unclear whether movie makeup magic will make
> up the age difference or whether Ryder's character will only appear in
> flashback. Original Spock Leonard Nimoy is also slated to appear in a
> cameo role, though it's unclear in what capacity.
> 
> No official details have been released about the film's plot, other than
> it will revolve around the Starship Enterprise crew's first mission
> together.
> 
> Ryder's addition signals the end of casting. In recent weeks, Abrams
> beamed up Chris Pine (Kirk), Karl Urban (Dr. McCoy), Simon Pegg
> (Scotty), John Cho (Sulu), Zoe Saldana (Uhura), Anton Yelchin (Chekov)
> and Eric Bana (the nefarious Nero) to the film.
> 
> Shooting is scheduled to begin on the film this month and is expected to
> last through March 2008. The film is slated for a Christmas 2008 release.
> http://tinyurl.com/yv57sh
> 
>