Re: [Scons-dev] [Scons-users] Man page problems with installing latest scons from Bitbucket

2014-11-16 Thread Dirk Bächle

On 17.11.2014 00:38, Gary Oberbrunner wrote:

On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Bill Deegan  wrote:
> Dirk,
>
> Are they available from another apt-repo? Maybe one of the "unsafe" ones?
> (Where they stick blobs)

I googled around for quite a while; I didn't find where or why they
were removed but also didn't find any alternative (other than the
Windows python setuptools).


This is the link I found being closest to the problem at hand:

  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python2.7/+bug/1081155

Dirk

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Re: [Scons-dev] [Scons-users] Man page problems with installing latest scons from Bitbucket

2014-11-16 Thread Bill Deegan
Ugh.. I love Ubuntu.. but debian's a bit to hardcore about no-blobs thing
for me.


On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 3:38 PM, Gary Oberbrunner 
wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Bill Deegan 
> wrote:
> > Dirk,
> >
> > Are they available from another apt-repo? Maybe one of the "unsafe" ones?
> > (Where they stick blobs)
>
> I googled around for quite a while; I didn't find where or why they
> were removed but also didn't find any alternative (other than the
> Windows python setuptools).
>
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Re: [Scons-dev] [Scons-users] Man page problems with installing latest scons from Bitbucket

2014-11-16 Thread Gary Oberbrunner
On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Bill Deegan  wrote:
> Dirk,
>
> Are they available from another apt-repo? Maybe one of the "unsafe" ones?
> (Where they stick blobs)

I googled around for quite a while; I didn't find where or why they
were removed but also didn't find any alternative (other than the
Windows python setuptools).

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Re: [Scons-dev] [Scons-users] Man page problems with installing latest scons from Bitbucket

2014-11-16 Thread Dirk Bächle

Hi Bill,

On 16.11.2014 21:01, Bill Deegan wrote:

Dirk,

Are they available from another apt-repo? Maybe one of the "unsafe" 
ones? (Where they stick blobs)


I'm not sure (didn't check)...but they're definitely not contained in 
the "python source" package. I added the "source" repos to my 
UpdateManager, and then did an "apt-get source python". Nada...


Dirk

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Re: [Scons-dev] PlatformIO and SCons

2014-11-16 Thread Ivan Kravets
Bill,

Thanks for the corrections. Sorry.

It's awesome news for me :)

> On Nov 16, 2014, at 21:59, Bill Deegan  wrote:
> 
> Ivan,
> 
> SCons is interested in Pypi so you are incorrect in saying that we are not.
> We are working (actually I) are(am) working on getting the packaging pip 
> ready.
> Many of the issues I'm running into are due to the fact that the setup.py and 
> such logic pre-dates Pypi so needs a non-trivial update.
> 
> -Bill
> 
> On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 9:55 AM, Ivan Kravets  wrote:
> Thanks. See 
> https://bitbucket.org/scons/scons-website/pull-request/4/add-platformio-project
> 
> > On Nov 16, 2014, at 15:47, Gary Oberbrunner  wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 5:09 AM, Dirk Bächle  wrote:
> >> Hi Ivan,
> >>
> >> thanks a lot for notifying us about your project. I just had a short look 
> >> at
> >> the website, and it looks really slick. My congratulations!
> >>
> >> On 15.11.2014 23:44, Ivan Kravets wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> Thanks a lot for great SCons project!
> >>>
> >>> I'm an author of PlatformIO open-source project
> >>> http://platformio.ikravets.com
> >>>
> >>> PlatformIO Source Code builder is based on SCons. I promote SCons for
> >>> embedded developers :)
> >>> See the section "Smart Code Builder. Fast and Reliable." on the home page
> >>> of project.
> >>>
> >>> Could I ask you to put an information about PlatformIO to this page
> >>> http://www.scons.org/refer.php   ?
> >>>
> >>
> >> @Gary, @Bill: Can one of you comment on this? I'm not a 100% sure where our
> >> web sources are, was it already migrated to hg, or is it still in SVN
> >> (what's the repo link)?
> >
> > The SCons website is in mercurial at
> > https://bitbucket.org/scons/scons-website.  Feel free to submit a pull
> > request.
> >
> > (The Tigris mini-site is still using svn, but that's not important here.)
> >
> > --
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> With best regards, Ivan Kravets
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> 
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> 
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Re: [Scons-dev] [Scons-users] Man page problems with installing latest scons from Bitbucket

2014-11-16 Thread Bill Deegan
Dirk,

Are they available from another apt-repo? Maybe one of the "unsafe" ones?
(Where they stick blobs)

-Bill

On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 4:43 AM, Gary Oberbrunner 
wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 6:53 AM, Dirk Bächle  wrote:
> ...
> >> It seems the wininst-*.exe files have been removed from the
> >> python2.7-dev package in 14.04, although they were there in 12.04.  I
> >> worked around it by copying them from a Windows machine with python
> >> distutils.  Grr.
> >
> > thanks for figuring this out! I updated the page
> >
> >   http://scons.org/wiki/SconsBuildRequirements
> >
> > accordingly, and also provided a TGZ archive containing the missing EXEs.
>
> Thanks, that's perfect!
>
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Re: [Scons-dev] PlatformIO and SCons

2014-11-16 Thread Bill Deegan
Ivan,

SCons is interested in Pypi so you are incorrect in saying that we are not.
We are working (actually I) are(am) working on getting the packaging pip
ready.
Many of the issues I'm running into are due to the fact that the setup.py
and such logic pre-dates Pypi so needs a non-trivial update.

-Bill

On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 9:55 AM, Ivan Kravets  wrote:

> Thanks. See
> https://bitbucket.org/scons/scons-website/pull-request/4/add-platformio-project
>
> > On Nov 16, 2014, at 15:47, Gary Oberbrunner 
> wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 5:09 AM, Dirk Bächle  wrote:
> >> Hi Ivan,
> >>
> >> thanks a lot for notifying us about your project. I just had a short
> look at
> >> the website, and it looks really slick. My congratulations!
> >>
> >> On 15.11.2014 23:44, Ivan Kravets wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> Thanks a lot for great SCons project!
> >>>
> >>> I'm an author of PlatformIO open-source project
> >>> http://platformio.ikravets.com
> >>>
> >>> PlatformIO Source Code builder is based on SCons. I promote SCons for
> >>> embedded developers :)
> >>> See the section "Smart Code Builder. Fast and Reliable." on the home
> page
> >>> of project.
> >>>
> >>> Could I ask you to put an information about PlatformIO to this page
> >>> http://www.scons.org/refer.php   ?
> >>>
> >>
> >> @Gary, @Bill: Can one of you comment on this? I'm not a 100% sure where
> our
> >> web sources are, was it already migrated to hg, or is it still in SVN
> >> (what's the repo link)?
> >
> > The SCons website is in mercurial at
> > https://bitbucket.org/scons/scons-website.  Feel free to submit a pull
> > request.
> >
> > (The Tigris mini-site is still using svn, but that's not important here.)
> >
> > --
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> With best regards, Ivan Kravets
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> 
> http://www.ikravets.com
>
>
>
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Re: [Scons-dev] PlatformIO and SCons

2014-11-16 Thread Ivan Kravets
Thanks. See 
https://bitbucket.org/scons/scons-website/pull-request/4/add-platformio-project

> On Nov 16, 2014, at 15:47, Gary Oberbrunner  wrote:
> 
> On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 5:09 AM, Dirk Bächle  wrote:
>> Hi Ivan,
>> 
>> thanks a lot for notifying us about your project. I just had a short look at
>> the website, and it looks really slick. My congratulations!
>> 
>> On 15.11.2014 23:44, Ivan Kravets wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Thanks a lot for great SCons project!
>>> 
>>> I'm an author of PlatformIO open-source project
>>> http://platformio.ikravets.com
>>> 
>>> PlatformIO Source Code builder is based on SCons. I promote SCons for
>>> embedded developers :)
>>> See the section "Smart Code Builder. Fast and Reliable." on the home page
>>> of project.
>>> 
>>> Could I ask you to put an information about PlatformIO to this page
>>> http://www.scons.org/refer.php   ?
>>> 
>> 
>> @Gary, @Bill: Can one of you comment on this? I'm not a 100% sure where our
>> web sources are, was it already migrated to hg, or is it still in SVN
>> (what's the repo link)?
> 
> The SCons website is in mercurial at
> https://bitbucket.org/scons/scons-website.  Feel free to submit a pull
> request.
> 
> (The Tigris mini-site is still using svn, but that's not important here.)
> 
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Re: [Scons-dev] PlatformIO and SCons

2014-11-16 Thread Ivan Kravets

> On Nov 16, 2014, at 12:09, Dirk Bächle  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ivan,
> 
> thanks a lot for notifying us about your project. I just had a short look at 
> the website, and it looks really slick. My congratulations!
Thanks. "Made with Love in Ukraine" :)


> On 15.11.2014 23:44, Ivan Kravets wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Thanks a lot for great SCons project!
>> 
>> I'm an author of PlatformIO open-source project 
>> http://platformio.ikravets.com
>> 
>> PlatformIO Source Code builder is based on SCons. I promote SCons for 
>> embedded developers :)
>> See the section "Smart Code Builder. Fast and Reliable." on the home page of 
>> project.
>> 
>> Could I ask you to put an information about PlatformIO to this page 
>> http://www.scons.org/refer.php   ?
>> 
> 
> @Gary, @Bill: Can one of you comment on this? I'm not a 100% sure where our 
> web sources are, was it already migrated to hg, or is it still in SVN (what's 
> the repo link)?
> 
> By the way, we also have a list of projects in our Wiki at 
> http://scons.org/wiki/SconsProjects , so I'll add you there as well, okay?

Could you put this information in alphabetic order (between "openEHR" and 
"PowderToy" projects)?

http://platformio.ikravets.com";>PlatformIO is a cross-platform 
code builder and the missing library manager. See https://github.com/ivankravets/platformio/tree/develop/platformio/builder";>SConstruct.

> 
>> P.S: The SCons-end developers have problem with PIP & SCons (they can't 
>> include SCons to dependency list and to install Scons via PIP without 
>> "egg").  I've been monitoring this pull-request 
>> https://bitbucket.org/scons/scons/pull-request/113/fix-for-bug-2769-which-should-allow-scons/diff
>>  for several months. Do you have any plans to fix this issue?
>> 
> Yes, it's still on our Todo list...and work on it will continue soon. We're 
> sorry for the inconvenience, but it's a tricky issue (as everything related 
> to packaging in Python is) and we don't want to break anything for other 
> users.
Thanks a lot for your efforts. It would be easy for end embedded developers to 
use simple command for install PlatformIO, like,

$ pip install platformio

According to it, I created additional "Installer Script" named 
"get-platformio.py" which installs PlatformIO from PyPi and SCons from RAW 
SOURCE FORGE. Now it looks like:

$ python get-platformio.py.

See 
https://github.com/ivankravets/platformio/blob/develop/scripts/get-platformio.py


-

Who does maintain PyPi SCons package? Where we can find "bdbaddog" ? :)

It would be nice to see here https://pypi.python.org/pypi/SCons the latest 
version of SCons :)


P.S: I understand that SCons dev-team are not interested in PyPi, but many 
people can't use it when install via PIP or include in "dependency" list. To my 
mind, the SCons is #1 in "Software Builder" category which is written in 
Python. We are waiting for new release with PIP support and for updated package 
in PyPi :-)


With best regards, Ivan Kravets
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Re: [Scons-dev] Fwd: PlatformIO and SCons

2014-11-16 Thread Gary Oberbrunner
On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 5:09 AM, Dirk Bächle  wrote:
> Hi Ivan,
>
> thanks a lot for notifying us about your project. I just had a short look at
> the website, and it looks really slick. My congratulations!
>
> On 15.11.2014 23:44, Ivan Kravets wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Thanks a lot for great SCons project!
>>
>> I'm an author of PlatformIO open-source project
>> http://platformio.ikravets.com
>>
>> PlatformIO Source Code builder is based on SCons. I promote SCons for
>> embedded developers :)
>> See the section "Smart Code Builder. Fast and Reliable." on the home page
>> of project.
>>
>> Could I ask you to put an information about PlatformIO to this page
>> http://www.scons.org/refer.php   ?
>>
>
> @Gary, @Bill: Can one of you comment on this? I'm not a 100% sure where our
> web sources are, was it already migrated to hg, or is it still in SVN
> (what's the repo link)?

The SCons website is in mercurial at
https://bitbucket.org/scons/scons-website.  Feel free to submit a pull
request.

(The Tigris mini-site is still using svn, but that's not important here.)

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Re: [Scons-dev] [Scons-users] Man page problems with installing latest scons from Bitbucket

2014-11-16 Thread Gary Oberbrunner
On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 6:53 AM, Dirk Bächle  wrote:
...
>> It seems the wininst-*.exe files have been removed from the
>> python2.7-dev package in 14.04, although they were there in 12.04.  I
>> worked around it by copying them from a Windows machine with python
>> distutils.  Grr.
>
> thanks for figuring this out! I updated the page
>
>   http://scons.org/wiki/SconsBuildRequirements
>
> accordingly, and also provided a TGZ archive containing the missing EXEs.

Thanks, that's perfect!

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Re: [Scons-dev] [Scons-users] Man page problems with installing latest scons from Bitbucket

2014-11-16 Thread Dirk Bächle

Hi Gary,

On 16.11.2014 02:23, Gary Oberbrunner wrote:

Just one more thing on this, redirecting to scons-dev.  I just updated
my SCons build VM to Trusty (14.04) from Precise (12.04), and I get
the same error Michael was seeing when trying to do a full packaging
build of SCons:
   error: [Errno 2] No such file or directory:
'/usr/lib/python2.7/distutils/command/wininst-6.0.exe',
/usr/lib/python2.7/distutils/command/wininst-6.0.exe not included in
the Debian packages.

It seems the wininst-*.exe files have been removed from the
python2.7-dev package in 14.04, although they were there in 12.04.  I
worked around it by copying them from a Windows machine with python
distutils.  Grr.

thanks for figuring this out! I updated the page

  http://scons.org/wiki/SconsBuildRequirements

accordingly, and also provided a TGZ archive containing the missing 
EXEs. Additionally, I moved the link to the requirements directly into 
the "Contributing" section of the developer guide ( 
http://scons.org/wiki/DeveloperGuide ). I hope that makes sense...


Best regards,

Dirk

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Re: [Scons-dev] Fwd: PlatformIO and SCons

2014-11-16 Thread Dirk Bächle

Hi Ivan,

thanks a lot for notifying us about your project. I just had a short 
look at the website, and it looks really slick. My congratulations!


On 15.11.2014 23:44, Ivan Kravets wrote:

Hi,

Thanks a lot for great SCons project!

I'm an author of PlatformIO open-source project 
http://platformio.ikravets.com


PlatformIO Source Code builder is based on SCons. I promote SCons for 
embedded developers :)
See the section "Smart Code Builder. Fast and Reliable." on the home 
page of project.


Could I ask you to put an information about PlatformIO to this page 
http://www.scons.org/refer.php   ?




@Gary, @Bill: Can one of you comment on this? I'm not a 100% sure where 
our web sources are, was it already migrated to hg, or is it still in 
SVN (what's the repo link)?


By the way, we also have a list of projects in our Wiki at 
http://scons.org/wiki/SconsProjects , so I'll add you there as well, okay?


P.S: The SCons-end developers have problem with PIP & SCons (they 
can't include SCons to dependency list and to install Scons via PIP 
without "egg").  I've been monitoring this pull-request 
https://bitbucket.org/scons/scons/pull-request/113/fix-for-bug-2769-which-should-allow-scons/diff 
for several months. Do you have any plans to fix this issue?


Yes, it's still on our Todo list...and work on it will continue soon. 
We're sorry for the inconvenience, but it's a tricky issue (as 
everything related to packaging in Python is) and we don't want to break 
anything for other users.


Best regards,

Dirk

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