Re: [scots-l] Campaign for Real Ballads (was: Inverness a City...)
Bonnie Jean Cameron was another balladic resident. She's commemorated by a street named Mount Cameron Drive. So what kind of a girl was she? somehow these seem to lend themselves more to limericks. Any offers? If you ask me, I'd say at a guess That the prospect for Inverness Is more in the kitty Now that it's a city - Well, that's what it said in the press. David Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] t/f (44) 131 557 1050 (o); (44) 131 669 8824 (h) -Original Message- From: Ted Hastings [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 18 December 2000 21:38 Subject: RE: [scots-l] Campaign for Real Ballads (was: Inverness a City...) -Original Message- From: Nigel Gatherer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 18 December 2000 16:53 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [scots-l] Campaign for Real Ballads (was: Inverness a City...) David Kilpatrick wrote: ...Real ballads never mention cities... This is an extraordinary assertion. I've personally unearthed several, one of which I will shortly published in my forthcoming "Songs and Ballads of East Kilbride, Volume IV: Fishing and the Sea" (£28.99 from Your Grannie Publishing, details on request). I recorded Fran MacBattersby singing "Bonny Caroline of the Whirlies Roondaboot" (a remarkable 53-verse version strangely not listed in Child). O ye of little faith. Why mock poor benighted East Kilbride? Kate Dalrymple lived there - the song was written by William Watt, precentor of the East Kilbride old parish church, who also wrote "The Tinkler's Waddin". Kate Dalrymple's house was a well known landmark in East Kilbride until it was demolished in the 1930s. (Not that I remember.) Bonnie Jean Cameron was another balladic resident. She's commemorated by a street named Mount Cameron Drive. There are also at least two ballads about the "Loupin Stane" outside the Montgomerie Arms in the Old Village. Beats the hell out of Crieff Regards, Ted Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] auld lang syne uploads
OK. I've uploaded the earliest known version of Auld Lang Syne, from the Balcarres MS c.1695-1700 as a straight transcription, but also as a basic guitar arrangement in DADGAD tuning. I have also uploaded both the versions in the Scots Musical Museum (numbers 25 and 413) for comparison. And also 'Hallow my Fancy' ( for Bruce), and some others from various Scottish lute manuscripts. You will need the Adobe Acrobat Reader (your computer may already have this). Some of the files are also available as Scorch files which allow you to hear the scores. Both these viewers (Scorch and Acrobat) give good quality scores, but you can only print the Acrobat versions. I thought of putting up gif files but the quality is poor. Go to: http://www.robmackillop.com and click on The Scottish Lute on the sidebar. Have a read and let me know what you think. And it's all free! Happy Christmas. Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.robmackillop.com Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Campaign for Real Ballads (was: Inverness a City...)
On Tue, 19 Dec 2000 17:38:02 +, David Kilpatrick wrote: Maybe not Bowdlerized, given the number of version of the song - and this episode is mythical one, I think. According to Child, Gilbert Hay, the tenth Earl of Errol, married Catherine Carnegie (Daughter of an Earl, as I recall) on January 7, 1658. Errol died in 1674 without having had any children. Their marital problems _may_ have produced a hearing in 1659. There _was_ a family court case, but the records were trashed. There is no known info on it. The whole song is - oral tradition if not myth. I've never found anything to show he married any milkmaid that does seem unlikely. We know he never recognized any child - from either side of the bed. But the song serves many lessons in morality, law, the legal nature of marriage (with conditions under which dowry becomes payable) etc. What I should have said is that the word city isn't used. Of course cities But the distinction between Town and Country is common and frequent enough. And there's frequent distinction between the rural market town and the - well, very large town. I don't think, eg, The Merchant's Son would have had the same troubles in a village-with-inn. As has been said, "city" is a special legal status - varying but certainly with greater legal autonomy and privledge than a "village" or even an "incorporated village" (very common in the US.) It's more than just a big community. US UK share some commonalities here - City Charter granting its status and (although don't put any bar bets on it) status equivalent to County - ie, not subject to superior laws of the township or county. As well, as has been said, the right to enact local ordinance and elect Mayor city council (although an "incorporated village" may do this last, too.) It's part of that great egalitarian, levelling sort of thing in ballad language (esp in Scots); I think so too. But I wouldn't (and don't think you meant to) make too much of it. Remembering that a) there just weren't that many cities in Scotland and b) or perhaps therefore, most of the ballad action occurs in the country, whether of common or gentle folk. As I walked into Glasgow city Nancy Whiskey I chanced to smell I walked in, sat down beside her Seven long years I loved her well (C. Weaver) And as she rode into Glasgow town, The city for to see, The bailiff's wife and the provost's wife Cried, "Ach, and alas for thee." (Mary Ham) -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- - I am Abby Sale - in Orlando, Florida Boycott South Carolina! http://www.naacp.org/communications/press_releases/SCEconomic2.asp Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Re: scots-l-digest V1 #351
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 17/12/00 8:33:10 pm, writes: C sharpe is the bloke wot collected Scottish ballads. Oh dear! No "e" for C Sharp, and he never collected Scottish Ballads, but Confined his collecting to the south of England (mostly Somerset) and the southern Appalachians:-) He was, however, in touch with Greig and Duncan at the time when they were collecting in Aberdeenshire. Nicolas B., Lanark, Scotland. I see we have Charles Kilpatrick Sharpe, Sir Cuthbert Sharp and Cecil Sharp to straighten out. I don't really know if C. K. did field collecting of ballads himself, or if he got texts from others. Jack Campin might be able to tell us some things about them from his music. Where did the tune for "Annie Laurie" come from? Sir Cuthbert Sharp edited 'The Bishopric Garland', 1834 (modeled in Ritson's earlier one.) Cecil Sharp was an English collector of folk songs. The contents of all of his books and manuscripts are listed in Steve Roud's folksong index (as are all of the songs in the 1st 7 volumes of 'The Greig-Duncan Folk Song Collection'). Bruce Olson -- Old English, Irish and, Scots: popular songs, tunes, broadside ballads at my website (no advs-spam, etc)- www.erols.com/olsonw or click below A href="http://www.erols.com/olsonw" Click /a Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
