Re: [scots-l] Scottish Minstrelsy Bicentenary 2002
Oops, Sorry all, my last posting re recording Hogg's songs was meant to be a private email to David Kilpatrick but due to my computational ineptitude etc George Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music & Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Tweedside, 1758
Rob MacKillop, if you're out there I apologise! Recording of 'Tweedside', with reasonably inaccuracy and an added ending, from Robert Bremner's 1758(9?) Instructions for Guitar, played on my roughly contemporary instrument which sounds quite different from Rob's: http://artists.mp3s.com/artist_song/1617/1617988.html Hi-fi is the only way to hear this, the lo-fi - as always with delicate sort of solo instruments - is bloody awful. The brass rose insert on my guittar resonates slightly. Fiddlers/singers may say the tune is not as 'good' as other variants, since Bremner adjusted it to suit the instrument. Rob has a version on his album 'Flowers of the Forest' with a whole set of extremely skilled variations. This is just the bare bones with no more than a very slighty accidental variation :-) played through twice. David, Kelso Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music & Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] BOUNCE scots-l@: Non-member submission from ["danmozell@mail.self-serv.net"] (fwd)
-- Forwarded message -- Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 05:30:54 -0700 Subject: BOUNCE scots-l@:Non-member submission from ["[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Jun 5 05:30:53 2001 Received: from m2w040.mail2web.com (M2W040.mail2web.com [168.144.108.40]) by argyll.wisemagic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA03043 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Tue, 5 Jun 2001 04:44:56 -0700 Received: from m2w040 [168.144.108.40] by m2w040.mail2web.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.00) id A8AAABD0120; Tue, 05 Jun 2001 07:55:22 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 205.128.215.121 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Trad Scots? Sender: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 07:55:22 -0400 To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-Id: <200106050755131.SM00736@m2w040> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by argyll.wisemagic.com id EAA03044 From: Keith W Dunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I was wondering about the opinions or factual information of list >members concerning the difference in traditional Scottish fiddle music >and the other genre's of what's now-a-day's called traditional "Celtic" >music. Welcome to the world of traditional Scottish music. Your question has no quick answer. Youll find a lifetime of exploring to do in this area. Ill offer a few points for starters. "Celtic Music" is a marketing term that is used to refer to many different sounds, some of which have little to do with traditional music. Scottish fiddle music has a long and noble tradition with many distinctive characteristics and different "sub-styles." First of all, theres a repertoire of tunes that has been developing for over 200 years. Scottish fiddlers play airs, marches, strathspeys, reels, jigs and hornpipes. While there are tunes that cross over to the Irish repertoire, countless tunes are very Scottish. The strathspey is a distinctly Scottish form. Scottish tunes often include the "Scottish Snap," a dotted pair with the shorter note coming first. This is uncommon in Irish music though you may hear some of this in Donegal. I believe youll hear more arpeggiated passages in Scottish tunes. Scottish hornpipes are more even than Irish. Scottish fiddlers ornamentation is also different from Irish. Youll hear more bowed triplets in Scottish style and no Irish roles. Most Scottish fiddling styles use more bow strokes (less sluring) than many (though not all) Irish styles. In the history of Scottish fiddling theres a certain amount of connection between fiddle music and "art music." This has affected both technique and composition. Scottish fiddling sometimes shows the influence of Scottish pipe playing, with fiddle versions of pipe ornaments. Scottish fiddling also has a long line of "fiddle composers." We know the authors of many more Scottish tunes then we do Irish. A few of the fiddle composers who have contributed to the repertoire include Neil Gow, Nathaniel Gow, William Marshall and Scott Skinner. The music of Cape Breton represents a relatively preserved from of Scottish fiddle music, transplanted to the New World as a result of the 19th century "Clearances." While Irish styles often involve different instruments pla Thats about all I can write for the moment. The bottom line is that Scottish fiddler music "sounds" different. If you listen to enough of it, youll recognize the Scottish sound without analyzing it. Enjoy. http://www.danmozell.com Mail2Web - Check your email from the web at http://www.mail2web.com/ . Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music & Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
RE: [scots-l] Lochaber No More
Does anyone know if there is a good version of "Lochaber No More" in either ABC format or GIF format on the web? Ross Flowers -Original Message- From: Sue Richards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 10:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [scots-l] Lochaber No More At 10:14 AM 6/4/01 -0400, you wrote: >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > Hello All, > > Can some one recommend a good recording of "Lochaber No More"? I once > > heard it on a long out of print album called _Songs and Music of the > > Redcoats (1642-1902)_ sung (I believe) by Martin Wyndham Read. > > >You can probably find the tune on Irish recordings, because it >seems fairly certain that it's Irish. In the Leyden MS, 1692, it's "King >James March to Ireland", and later it's found as "Limbrick's >Lamentation", "[Since] Celia's my Foe" (replacing the original Irish >tune for Duffett's song of 1676]. "Limerick's Lament" in the Scots G. >Skene MS. See the Irish tune index on my website for other early titles. > >Bruce Olson I recorded three versions of this tune on my harp album, "Morning Aire". The Irish version is "Lament for Limerick", the Scottish version is "Lochaber No More", and then I went into an English Country dance called "The Irish Lamentation Waltz." They are similar and definitely related, but different. Fiddler Bonnie Rideout was with me. Available from Sue Richards Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music & Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music & Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Lochaber No More
And, the set is just a lovely a set as you'd want to hear. Well worth the price for just the set! Sue Richards wrote: > > At 10:14 AM 6/4/01 -0400, you wrote: > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > Hello All, > > > Can some one recommend a good recording of "Lochaber No More"? I once > > > heard it on a long out of print album called _Songs and Music of the > > > Redcoats (1642-1902)_ sung (I believe) by Martin Wyndham Read. > > > > >You can probably find the tune on Irish recordings, because it > >seems fairly certain that it's Irish. In the Leyden MS, 1692, it's "King > >James March to Ireland", and later it's found as "Limbrick's > >Lamentation", "[Since] Celia's my Foe" (replacing the original Irish > >tune for Duffett's song of 1676]. "Limerick's Lament" in the Scots G. > >Skene MS. See the Irish tune index on my website for other early titles. > > > >Bruce Olson > > I recorded three versions of this tune on my harp album, "Morning > Aire". The Irish version is "Lament for Limerick", the Scottish version is > "Lochaber No More", and then I went into an English Country dance called > "The Irish Lamentation Waltz." They are similar and definitely related, but > different. Fiddler Bonnie Rideout was with me. Available from > > Sue Richards > > Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music & Culture List - To >subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html -- May neither your strings nor your spirit ever break, May your harp and your soul always be in tune. Rita Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music & Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Query
I am new to the list and new to the Internet, how do I comment to the list? Gaye Reid
Re: [scots-l] Query
You just did. Welcome. Elheran --- Gaye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am new to the list and new to the Internet, how do > I comment to the list? > Gaye Reid > __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music & Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Query
Simply send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Like you just did :-) Welcome to the list. Toby Rider On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Gaye wrote: > I am new to the list and new to the Internet, how do I comment to the list? > Gaye Reid > Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music & Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Query
Gaye wrote: > > I am new to the list and new to the Internet, how do I comment to the > list? > Gaye Reid You just did. Bruce Olson Old British Isles popular and folk songs, tunes, broadside ballads at my no-spam website - www.erols.com/olsonw or just http://www.erols.com/olsonw";> Click Motto: Keep it up; muddling through always works. Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music & Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Query
Do I hear an echo in here? :D -Original Message- From: Gaye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 5:31 PM Subject: [scots-l] Query I am new to the list and new to the Internet, how do I comment to the list? Gaye Reid Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music & Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Re: Trad Scots?
Keith W Dunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I was wondering about the opinions or factual information of list >members concerning the difference in traditional Scottish fiddle music >and the other genre's of what's now-a-day's called traditional "Celtic" >music. Welcome to the world of traditional Scottish music. Your question has no quick answer. You'll find a lifetime of exploring to do in this area. I'll offer a few points for starters. "Celtic Music" is a marketing term that is used to refer to many different sounds, some of which have little to do with traditional music. Scottish fiddle music has a long and noble tradition with many distinctive characteristics and different "sub-styles." First of all, there's a repertoire of tunes that has been developing for over 200 years. Scottish fiddlers play airs, marches, strathspeys, reels, jigs and hornpipes. While there are tunes that cross over to the Irish repertoire, countless tunes are very Scottish. The strathspey is a distinctly Scottish form. Scottish tunes often include the "Scottish Snap," a dotted pair with the shorter note coming first. This is uncommon in Irish music though you may hear some of this in Donegal. I believe you'll hear more arpeggiated passages in Scottish tunes. Scottish hornpipes are more even than Irish. Scottish fiddler's ornamentation is also different from Irish. You'll hear more bowed triplets in Scottish style and no Irish roles. Most Scottish fiddling styles use more bow strokes (less sluring) than many (though not all) Irish styles. In the history of Scottish fiddling there's a certain amount of connection between fiddle music and "art music." This has affected both technique and composition. Scottish fiddling sometimes shows the influence of Scottish pipe playing, with fiddle versions of pipe ornaments. Scottish fiddling also has a long line of "fiddle composers." We know the authors of many more Scottish tunes then we do Irish. A few of the fiddle composers who have contributed to the repertoire include Neil Gow, Nathaniel Gow, William Marshall and Scott Skinner. The music of Cape Breton represents a relatively preserved from of Scottish fiddle music, transplanted to the New World as a result of the 19th century "Clearances." While Irish styles often involve different instruments playing the melody in unison, in Scottish music you'll usually hear the fiddle playing the melody solo. That's about all I can write for the moment. The bottom line is that Scottish fiddler music "sounds" different. If you listen to enough of it, you'll recognize the Scottish sound without analyzing it. Enjoy. http://www.danmozell.com Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music & Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Jim Tweedie's Sealegs
Thanks for your all replies and now I know what to do. I have an interest here in Hastings, New Zealand. I am a Highland Dance teacher with two daughters who dance, the older one aged 15 also plays the bagpipes with the City of Hastings Pipe Band. Our good friend Jim Tweedie (for whom the tune Jim Tweedie's Sealegs was written in 1953) died on Friday. His funeral was held yesterday here in Hastings and a great celebration of his life was held at St.Andrews Church. It was a wonderful service with lots of stories told. He was truely a popular gentleman, loved by all as was easy to see by the great turnout of his family and friends. Many tributes were paid and his tune "Jim Tweedie's Sealegs" was played during the service by his long time friend Doug Thoresen. Three senior band members played Highland Cathedral (his choice)as he was lead from the alter and The City of Hastings Pipe Band formed a Guard of Honour outside the Church and then escorted him with 'Scottish Soldier' from the Church. A wonderful emotional tribute to a much loved and respected man.
