Re: [scots-l] Jack or other net experts: help!
David wrote: This is an appeal to anyone with internet know-how. In the last few days, blank subjectless message from many different people whose email addresses start 'david@' have been arriving. Now I find that other people (same criterion) have been getting blank subjectless message from me. These originate at times when my computer is not connected, so it is not a virus on my system, and presumably not a virus on theirs. I've had the same thing. The addresses being used are ones I used to post to newsgroups: rec.music.celtic and uk.music.folk, which you've posted to. I also get occasional spam to these addresses, so I think they've been hoovered up by people who do that thing. It's the reason I use a special address for each newsgroup. Alternative is not to use a real address, like Jack with his bogus@purr. I'm inclined to ignore all this, and hope it goes away. It would only be a problem if your address was used for mass emailing which got it blacklisted. But I think the folks who know anything about this know you aren't the culprit. If you know what to look for, you can trace the route of an email from the header information. Almost all spam uses a fake 'from' address. If you want to report it, there are places to do it, but I can't remember off-hand where. A quick trip to Google would point you in the right direction. Derek Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Jack or other net experts: help!
On Sat, 10 Mar 2001, David Kilpatrick wrote: This is an appeal to anyone with internet know-how. In the last few days, blank subjectless message from many different people whose email addresses start 'david@' have been arriving. Now I find that other people (same criterion) have been getting blank subjectless message from me. These originate at times when my computer is not connected, so it is not a virus on my system, and presumably not a virus on theirs. A few weeks ago a spambot mailed a huge list - any address beginning 'david@' and I notice the same spambot also mailed just about every other possible name or address configuration. Anyone have any idea how a system, somewhere, can be sending blank emails 'to and from' addresses on a list which it holds, and why on earth it would do so? And how it can be stopped, as the messages seem to come from individuals but do not? I find it worrying that messages - even blanks - can be sent which appear to originate from me. Disable Javascript in your mail client if you're using one that will run it. I recently came across an article that discussed vulnerabilities inherent in having Javascript running in your email. For example it is possible for someone to send you a message containing some script (which you don't see) that instructs your mailer to surreptiously send them a copy if you forward that message to anyone else. The article mentioned Netscape, Outlook and Outlook Express as the primary targets for this kind of abuse, but there may be others. There are some real privacy-protection advantages to using a mail client that won't run scripts. Does anyone know if the Outlook family of mailers can be abused in the same way with VBScript? If they can, I'd avoid those mailers altogether, since M$ apparently doesn't see the need to provide you with any way of disabling VBScript. Wendy Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Jack or other net experts: help!
Rob MacKillop wrote: I find it worrying that messages - even blanks - can be sent which appear to originate from me. I wouldn't go as far as to describe your MP3 files as 'blanks' ;-) Rob If I ever attached one to a list or newsgroup message I think it prove to be the opposite - major explosions all round! Believe it or not, I have had people mailing me 3 to 4 megabyte mp3 and picture files directly, unsolicited. Last year an ad agency decided it would sensible to turn 80 megabytes-worth of images and layout into a 35 mb attachment ZIP, and send me it that way. I had to leave the machine on overnight to receive it (in this case it was not unsolicited - but I could have fitted the same artwork into under 3Mb!). David Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Jack or other net experts: help!
Derek Hoy wrote: I'm inclined to ignore all this, and hope it goes away. It would only be a problem if your address was used for mass emailing which got it blacklisted. But I think the folks who know anything about this know you aren't the culprit. If you know what to look for, you can trace the route of an email from the header information. Almost all spam uses a fake 'from' address. If you want to report it, there are places to do it, but I can't remember off-hand where. A quick trip to Google would point you in the right direction. Good luck trying to track down the offender. It could be worse, I regularly have people trying to relay spam through my mailservers, they are unsucessful, but the attempt still ties up some resources on the machine. They just go through the domains and try to point mail at: mail.whatever.com Toby Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Jack or other net experts: help!
Wendy Galovich wrote: Does anyone know if the Outlook family of mailers can be abused in the same way with VBScript? If they can, I'd avoid those mailers altogether, since M$ apparently doesn't see the need to provide you with any way of disabling VBScript. Wendy Yup, use Pine or Mutt :-) Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Jack or other net experts: help!
David Kilpatrick wrote: Rob MacKillop wrote: I find it worrying that messages - even blanks - can be sent which appear to originate from me. I wouldn't go as far as to describe your MP3 files as 'blanks' ;-) Rob If I ever attached one to a list or newsgroup message I think it prove to be the opposite - major explosions all round! Believe it or not, I have had people mailing me 3 to 4 megabyte mp3 and picture files directly, unsolicited. Last year an ad agency decided it would sensible to turn 80 megabytes-worth of images and layout into a 35 mb attachment ZIP, and send me it that way. I had to leave the machine on overnight to receive it (in this case it was not unsolicited - but I could have fitted the same artwork into under 3Mb!). I can give you a pop mail account your can use to receive mail specifically for list mail. Let me know. Toby Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
RE: [scots-l] Jack or other net experts: help!
I got a 'Jonathan' one; same old same old, just addressed to a jonathan instead of a Davidcould they be designed to elicit a reply thereby confirming the currency of our email addresses to sell as a 'purified' list?? Jonathan ( o}==:: -Original Message- From: Toby Rider [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 11 March 2001 16:53 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [scots-l] Jack or other net experts: help! Wendy Galovich wrote: Does anyone know if the Outlook family of mailers can be abused in the same way with VBScript? If they can, I'd avoid those mailers altogether, since M$ apparently doesn't see the need to provide you with any way of disabling VBScript. Wendy Yup, use Pine or Mutt :-) Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Jack or other net experts: help!
David Kilpatrick wrote: This is an appeal to anyone with internet know-how. In the last few days, blank subjectless message from many different people whose email addresses start 'david@' have been arriving. Now I find that other people (same criterion) have been getting blank subjectless message from me. These originate at times when my computer is not connected, so it is not a virus on my system, and presumably not a virus on theirs. A few weeks ago a spambot mailed a huge list - any address beginning 'david@' and I notice the same spambot also mailed just about every other possible name or address configuration. Anyone have any idea how a system, somewhere, can be sending blank emails 'to and from' addresses on a list which it holds, and why on earth it would do so? And how it can be stopped, as the messages seem to come from individuals but do not? I find it worrying that messages - even blanks - can be sent which appear to originate from me. David Kilpatrick A guess, perhaps wild. Another newsgroup had problems from Microsoft Outlook Express who's initial default option is to send text as Rich Text (html) and a copy in plain ASCII. Some email reading software didn't know what to do with 2 formats in the same message, and simply stopped after the header, so no message was recieved. Netscape had no problem with this, but if someone inadvertantly got a third or different format in the message, probably common software would also be at a loss as to how to interpret it, and again all would be lost. One way of checking that you got a blank message is to copy all of it to a named file, and look at it with a word processor. Bruce Olson -- Old English, Irish and, Scots: popular songs, tunes, broadside ballads at my website (no advs-spam, etc)- www.erols.com/olsonw or click below A href="http://www.erols.com/olsonw" Click /a Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
