Re: [scots-l] Music related to Scotland Winning the World Cup in the 80's
Nigel Gatherer wrote: Dr Turner sent me one of his publications ...It included a version of the Stars and Stripes...suggesting that it's a Scots song...Cue Jack Campin to give us the whole story (or a scathing put-down of such preposterous claims). Jack said: If you mean the music for The Star-Spangled Banner, yawn... Hee hee! Yes, of course it was Star-Spangled Banner. My books and records are now largely stored in the cellar, and, being lazy, it's a thought to traipse down [1]. However, I'll go down and dig out Turner's book... Yes: he has it as To Anacreon in Heaven and annotates it Traditional - Edinburgh Musical Miscellany 1792. I think that, like myself, John Turner is an enthusiast rather than any great expert. People like Jack, Bruce and Charlie (Campin, Olson, Gore) are better sources for original thought and information. There's nothing else of great interest in this wee book (The Fiddletree Manuscript Richmond VA 1978). He gives a version of The Miller (also known as The Dawn in Ireland); I've never come across it as a Scots tune and I don't think it is one, although it would sound at home in a Scots collection. He has a pipe jig, Lord Dunmore which I play as There Was a Young Man, and the rest are standards. [1] = Cellar's on the ground floor, I'm on the second [2] [2] = For the Americans, I'm on the third floor -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/gatherer/ Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Music related to Scotland Winning the World Cup in the 80's
Jack Campin wrote: [John Turner] sent me one of his publications once, a jolly little collection of miscellaneous Scottish tunes. It included a version of the Stars and Stripes, published in Edinburgh in seventeen oatcake; I think he was suggesting that it's a Scots song originally, and given that anything worthwhile in this world has a Scottish connection, he's probably right. Cue Jack Campin to give us the whole story (or a scathing put-down of such preposterous claims). If you mean the (rather good) march The Stars and Stripes Forever, that would be pretty astonishing and I'd like to know more about it. It sure doesn't sound like anything that could have an 18th century antecedent. If you mean the music for The Star-Spangled Banner, yawn. I think they teach the origins of that godawful tune in American high schools; at least it is rare to find an educated American who can't name the original. I think we can blame the English for it, though it must have been reprinted in some of those late-eighteenth-century Scottish drinking-club songbooks whose contents display no discernible taste whatever on the part of the editor. But the Americans get to carry the can for the present-day text (which is even worse). === http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/ === Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html The 'march king' Sousa's Stars and Stripes Forever, 1898, can be found on the Levy sheet music collection website by doing a simultaneous search on 'stars', 'stripes' and 'forever'. Bruce Olson Old British Isles popular and folk songs, tunes, broadside ballads at my no-spam website - www.erols.com/olsonw or just A href=http://www.erols.com/olsonw; Click /a Motto: Keep it up; muddling through always works. Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Music related to Scotland Winning the World Cup in the 80's
Elheran Francis wrote: Hello, Hello, Elheran! I am trying to locate information a music which may have been written and recorded on the occasion of Scotland Winning the World Cup in Football (Soccer) in the early 80's... Oh dear - this will return many responses, none of which you might expect. Scotland have on several occasions done brilliantly to get to the World Cup (Soccer) Finals, but once there, we've never quite been able to compete with the big boys. This has produced reactions from Scots ranging from disgust to a national sport of deriding any notion that Scotland could win ANYTHING. At its best this can be funny, inventive and affectionate; at its worst, it can sound like the worst whinging ever. Mostly it's somewhere in between. I suspect the tunes you ask about were in celebration of Scotland GETTING to the finals, much in the manner of Rod Stewart's efforts. I don't think I've come across them, but if John Turner was involved, you could try asking him. He runs a fiddle school called Jink and Diddle: that's a place to start your search. Dr Turner sent me one of his publications once, a jolly little collection of miscellaneous Scottish tunes. It included a version of the Stars and Stripes, published in Edinburgh in seventeen oatcake; I think he was suggesting that it's a Scots song originally, and given that anything worthwhile in this world has a Scottish connection, he's probably right. Cue Jack Campin to give us the whole story (or a scathing put-down of such preposterous claims). If you find what you're looking for, let us know - good luck. -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/gatherer/ Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Music related to Scotland Winning the World Cup in the 80's
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Elheran Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am trying to locate information a music which may have been written and recorded on the occasion of Scotland Winning the World Cup in Football (Soccer) in the early 80's. Which century would that be? Anselm -- Anselm Lingnau . [EMAIL PROTECTED] People act on fear a lot, and in fear there may be a financial impact. We don't want people going and buying generators when they should be out buying jeans. -- Director of the Year-2000 project for Levi Strauss, quoted by *Infoworld* Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Music related to Scotland Winning the World Cup in the 80's
Do you know of any recordings of it? --- stan reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah you doubters. The Tune writen for this occassion was The Swines Wings. The composer was Tam Forsyth of Stonehouse who woke early on the day after he scored the winning goal from 40 yards, to the sound of fellow Stonehouse musician, Norman Chalmers, whose concertina music drifted down the Sidehead Road. Inspired by the sweetness of his playing, Tam whipped out his whistle and brought forth the seed of this lovely tune. He played the tune that evening at the local bowling club celebration, to great acclaim. Drink was taken, a late night end was set up, and with the manicured lawn heavy with dew, Tam took a breenge at the jack, fell backwords, and brained himself with a heavily biased wood. The tune, uncommitted to paper, was lost, and Tam never played for Scotland again. -- AY STAN -- From: Anselm Lingnau [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: local.m2n.scots-l Subject: Re: [scots-l] Music related to Scotland Winning the World Cup in the 80's Date: Mon, Jun 25, 2001, 1:48 pm In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Elheran Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am trying to locate information a music which may have been written and recorded on the occasion of Scotland Winning the World Cup in Football (Soccer) in the early 80's. Which century would that be? Anselm -- Anselm Lingnau . [EMAIL PROTECTED] People act on fear a lot, and in fear there may be a financial impact. We don't want people going and buying generators when they should be out buying jeans. -- Director of the Year-2000 project for Levi Strauss, quoted by *Infoworld* Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Music related to Scotland Winning the World Cup in the 80's
Hello, I am trying to locate information a music which may have been written and recorded on the occasion of Scotland Winning the World Cup in Football (Soccer) in the early 80's. I believe one of the musicians involved was Fiddler John Turner from the Boston area of the US. There was a Scottish Highland Broadsword Dance called the World Cup Reel which was choreographed to go with the music. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
