Re: [scots-l] Burrolling, as we posh fowk call it

2001-02-23 Thread Anselm Lingnau

In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Nigel Gatherer  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 "Surprisingly enough it WAS called exactly that when he published it in his
 Harp and Claymore collection in 1903. The term is almost certainly a
 dancing reference, although in 18th century Scotland a "Rocking" was the
 Lowland equivalent of the Highland "ceilidh".

The rocking step is one of the canonical steps of the Highland Fling
and must have been around in Skinner's time. The tune sounds reasonable
for a Highland Fling as far as I'm concerned so that's probably not
far off the mark.

Anselm
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Re: [scots-l] Burrolling, as we posh fowk call it

2001-02-22 Thread tarider

Nigel Gatherer wrote:
 
 Birlin
 
 This subject has provoked the biggest thread I've seen on Scots-L, so it's
 obviously extremely important. Of course I'm completely eaten up with
 jealousy because I'm not a fiddler. I don't even know whether I birl - how
 can you tell? [1]. I shouldn't think it's physically possible on the
 mandolin, but what about the whistle? I expect my proportion would be
 1:1:27 (something to ask at your next session: "Hi there, what's your
 proportion in a birl?").

I personally never have called them "birls", always "cuts". I've heard
cuttings on the mando before. It can be done! :-)

Toby
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Re: [scots-l] Burrolling, as we posh fowk call it

2001-02-22 Thread Derek Hoy

Nigel wrote:
 This subject has provoked the biggest thread I've seen on Scots-L, so it's
 obviously extremely important. Of course I'm completely eaten up with
 jealousy because I'm not a fiddler. I don't even know whether I birl - how
 can you tell? [1]. I shouldn't think it's physically possible on the
 mandolin, but what about the whistle? I expect my proportion would be
 1:1:27 (something to ask at your next session: "Hi there, what's your
 proportion in a birl?").

As Toby said, the equivalent on mandolin would be yir triplet- as typified by 
the Shetland-style banjo- comes out like machine-gun fire.  Or listen to Jim 
Sutherland on the cittern (Easy Club recordings).

On the whistle, it's much more common to hear rolls or other fingerings used 
instead, but there is a more Scotch style if you listen to recordings of Jimmy 
Greenan or Alex Green, who used tonguing to get that birl effect.  Recently 
there's Brian Finnegan from the north of Ireland who seems influenced by that 
flute band thing, and does amazing things with whistles and high pitched 
flutes (recorded with his own band, Upstairs in a Tent, Flook). He is an 
outstanding musician and composer.

Nigel, you seem a bit confused by the whole subject of birls.  Maybe you could 
head west of your semi-highland fastness, to Glesgae and visit the Birl 
Collection, where there are examples from all over the world.

Derek
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