Re: [SMW-devel] A list of suggested developments for undergrads to try?
Hey Steve, Do you need a small writeup of the ask query language parsing task? I'd be happy to create this if it is likely your students will be working on it. Cheers -- Jeroen De Dauw http://www.bn2vs.com Don't panic. Don't be evil. ~=[,,_,,]:3 -- -- DreamFactory - Open Source REST JSON Services for HTML5 Native Apps OAuth, Users, Roles, SQL, NoSQL, BLOB Storage and External API Access Free app hosting. Or install the open source package on any LAMP server. Sign up and see examples for AngularJS, jQuery, Sencha Touch and Native! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=63469471iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel
Re: [SMW-devel] A list of suggested developments for undergrads to try?
Jereon, That would be great - thanks! We have quarters here at Rose-Hulman - My students are starting final exam week, and then will have a week off. Look for a team who will be working on this to start looking active after that, as they begin their related course in software design! Steve Chenoweth Assoc Prof, CSSE RHIT From: Jeroen De Dauw [mailto:jeroended...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 12:57 PM To: Chenoweth, Stephen V Cc: James HK; Neill Mitchell; Semantic MediaWiki developers Subject: Re: [SMW-devel] A list of suggested developments for undergrads to try? Hey Steve, Do you need a small writeup of the ask query language parsing task? I'd be happy to create this if it is likely your students will be working on it. Cheers -- Jeroen De Dauw http://www.bn2vs.com Don't panic. Don't be evil. ~=[,,_,,]:3 -- -- DreamFactory - Open Source REST JSON Services for HTML5 Native Apps OAuth, Users, Roles, SQL, NoSQL, BLOB Storage and External API Access Free app hosting. Or install the open source package on any LAMP server. Sign up and see examples for AngularJS, jQuery, Sencha Touch and Native! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=63469471iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel
[SMW-devel] ajax=true - thinking about new global parameter for all Result Formats
Hi everyone! I think that it would be cool to have the following three parameters for #ask-queries: |ajax=true #if true, than results are retriewed with ajax |update button=true #if true, the update button appears so that user can update only the results of the query |update time=30 #the query will update its results with ajax every 30 seconds Now one of the common issue for many use cases of SMW is that it's not responsive enough. I mean the caching. The situation can be somewhat improved with NOCACHE extension but the system performance is growing dramatically. With these three options we would have very flexible system since every query can be updated every several seconds, or completely on demand. Two questions: 1) I think that a lot of parties will be interested in that feature and we can try some groupfunding. Do you also think so? 2) could such feature be implemented in SMW core, that is: for all result formats? Or must we add these parameters to every result format separately? - Yury Katkov, WikiVote -- DreamFactory - Open Source REST JSON Services for HTML5 Native Apps OAuth, Users, Roles, SQL, NoSQL, BLOB Storage and External API Access Free app hosting. Or install the open source package on any LAMP server. Sign up and see examples for AngularJS, jQuery, Sencha Touch and Native! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=63469471iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel
Re: [SMW-devel] ajax=true - thinking about new global parameter for all Result Formats
Hey, 2) could such feature be implemented in SMW core, that is: for all result formats? Or must we add these parameters to every result format separately? I'll answer this question from the technical side. Not every format supports this functionality and this is also not going to happen. (Forcing them to do is makes little sense.) Thus having a global parameter that does not work for a lot of the result formats is rather awkward. Cheers -- Jeroen De Dauw http://www.bn2vs.com Don't panic. Don't be evil. ~=[,,_,,]:3 -- -- DreamFactory - Open Source REST JSON Services for HTML5 Native Apps OAuth, Users, Roles, SQL, NoSQL, BLOB Storage and External API Access Free app hosting. Or install the open source package on any LAMP server. Sign up and see examples for AngularJS, jQuery, Sencha Touch and Native! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=63469471iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel
Re: [SMW-devel] ajax=true - thinking about new global parameter for all Result Formats
That wasn't very technical :-) Not every format supports this functionality and this is also not going to happen. I'd say, that's managerial point of view AKA I decline this functionality with no explanation, like here: [1]. Come on, Jeroen, you can do better than that! Forcing them to do is makes little sense And this is problem domain/application point of view, which only reflect your experience. In some of our applications wiki supports some offline process and there it's crucial to have thi kind of 'update' button in every query including broadtable, ul, ol, filtered and maps. And yes, people there don't know anything about wikis. I can imagine similar problem in case of BPM (Alexander Gesinn) and enterprise architecture - well anywhere where you need the information to update quickly. I bet they's now using NOCACHE or struggling to explain their users why their results doesn't appear instantly. [1] http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.technical/64153 , scroll to Tim Starling - Yury Katkov, WikiVote On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 12:10 AM, Jeroen De Dauw jeroended...@gmail.com wrote: Hey, 2) could such feature be implemented in SMW core, that is: for all result formats? Or must we add these parameters to every result format separately? I'll answer this question from the technical side. Not every format supports this functionality and this is also not going to happen. (Forcing them to do is makes little sense.) Thus having a global parameter that does not work for a lot of the result formats is rather awkward. Cheers -- Jeroen De Dauw http://www.bn2vs.com Don't panic. Don't be evil. ~=[,,_,,]:3 -- -- DreamFactory - Open Source REST JSON Services for HTML5 Native Apps OAuth, Users, Roles, SQL, NoSQL, BLOB Storage and External API Access Free app hosting. Or install the open source package on any LAMP server. Sign up and see examples for AngularJS, jQuery, Sencha Touch and Native! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=63469471iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel
Re: [SMW-devel] ajax=true - thinking about new global parameter for all Result Formats
Sorry if it have looked like an attack or if I've offended you, Jeroen, I have to mind my tongue and emotions. So, what do you think about this feature from purely technical point of view? How hard is that? How much would it change the artictecture if implemented? - Yury Katkov, WikiVote On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 12:30 AM, Yury Katkov katkov.ju...@gmail.com wrote: That wasn't very technical :-) Not every format supports this functionality and this is also not going to happen. I'd say, that's managerial point of view AKA I decline this functionality with no explanation, like here: [1]. Come on, Jeroen, you can do better than that! Forcing them to do is makes little sense And this is problem domain/application point of view, which only reflect your experience. In some of our applications wiki supports some offline process and there it's crucial to have thi kind of 'update' button in every query including broadtable, ul, ol, filtered and maps. And yes, people there don't know anything about wikis. I can imagine similar problem in case of BPM (Alexander Gesinn) and enterprise architecture - well anywhere where you need the information to update quickly. I bet they's now using NOCACHE or struggling to explain their users why their results doesn't appear instantly. [1] http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.technical/64153 , scroll to Tim Starling - Yury Katkov, WikiVote On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 12:10 AM, Jeroen De Dauw jeroended...@gmail.com wrote: Hey, 2) could such feature be implemented in SMW core, that is: for all result formats? Or must we add these parameters to every result format separately? I'll answer this question from the technical side. Not every format supports this functionality and this is also not going to happen. (Forcing them to do is makes little sense.) Thus having a global parameter that does not work for a lot of the result formats is rather awkward. Cheers -- Jeroen De Dauw http://www.bn2vs.com Don't panic. Don't be evil. ~=[,,_,,]:3 -- -- DreamFactory - Open Source REST JSON Services for HTML5 Native Apps OAuth, Users, Roles, SQL, NoSQL, BLOB Storage and External API Access Free app hosting. Or install the open source package on any LAMP server. Sign up and see examples for AngularJS, jQuery, Sencha Touch and Native! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=63469471iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel
[SMW-devel] Ask 1.0 released!
Hey all, I'm happy to announce the initial release of the Ask library! A small write-up of this release can be found at http://www.bn2vs.com/blog/2013/11/17/ask-1-0-released/ The library itself and its documentation resides at https://github.com/wmde/Ask Cheers -- Jeroen De Dauw http://www.bn2vs.com Don't panic. Don't be evil. ~=[,,_,,]:3 -- -- DreamFactory - Open Source REST JSON Services for HTML5 Native Apps OAuth, Users, Roles, SQL, NoSQL, BLOB Storage and External API Access Free app hosting. Or install the open source package on any LAMP server. Sign up and see examples for AngularJS, jQuery, Sencha Touch and Native! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=63469471iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel
Re: [SMW-devel] ajax=true - thinking about new global parameter for all Result Formats
Hi, Before we get too deep into the technical side of things, let me take a step back: Ajax, for those who don't know, is a technology where parts of the page can be modified, based on new data from the server, without needing to refresh the whole page. As far as I know, there are two advantages to having query results use Ajax: 1) It leads to faster initial page loading - especially for more involved, Javascript-based result formats, like the charting ones. 2) Results can be refreshed, manually or automatically, without reloading the page. 3) It eliminates the problem of MediaWiki caching of query results (the old why isn't that new page showing in the list? problem), because the query results aren't cached along with the rest of the page. Until now, I think I've mostly heard #1 as a reason to use Ajax in SMW query results - though, Yury, you seem to be talking mostly about reason #2. (Correct me if I'm wrong.) That seems strange to me, because I think on the vast majority of wikis, changes don't happen nearly fast enough to require any type of real-time refreshing; and certainly not for a refresh rate measured in seconds. Personally, I think reason #3 might be the strongest one, by the way. In any case, I have a question: Yury - if Ajax is possible for every result format, why both with an ajax=[true/false] parameter at all? In other words, is there ever an advantage to *not* using Ajax, given the option? -Yaron On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 3:48 PM, Yury Katkov katkov.ju...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry if it have looked like an attack or if I've offended you, Jeroen, I have to mind my tongue and emotions. So, what do you think about this feature from purely technical point of view? How hard is that? How much would it change the artictecture if implemented? - Yury Katkov, WikiVote On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 12:30 AM, Yury Katkov katkov.ju...@gmail.com wrote: That wasn't very technical :-) Not every format supports this functionality and this is also not going to happen. I'd say, that's managerial point of view AKA I decline this functionality with no explanation, like here: [1]. Come on, Jeroen, you can do better than that! Forcing them to do is makes little sense And this is problem domain/application point of view, which only reflect your experience. In some of our applications wiki supports some offline process and there it's crucial to have thi kind of 'update' button in every query including broadtable, ul, ol, filtered and maps. And yes, people there don't know anything about wikis. I can imagine similar problem in case of BPM (Alexander Gesinn) and enterprise architecture - well anywhere where you need the information to update quickly. I bet they's now using NOCACHE or struggling to explain their users why their results doesn't appear instantly. [1] http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.technical/64153 , scroll to Tim Starling - Yury Katkov, WikiVote On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 12:10 AM, Jeroen De Dauw jeroended...@gmail.com wrote: Hey, 2) could such feature be implemented in SMW core, that is: for all result formats? Or must we add these parameters to every result format separately? I'll answer this question from the technical side. Not every format supports this functionality and this is also not going to happen. (Forcing them to do is makes little sense.) Thus having a global parameter that does not work for a lot of the result formats is rather awkward. Cheers -- Jeroen De Dauw http://www.bn2vs.com Don't panic. Don't be evil. ~=[,,_,,]:3 -- -- DreamFactory - Open Source REST JSON Services for HTML5 Native Apps OAuth, Users, Roles, SQL, NoSQL, BLOB Storage and External API Access Free app hosting. Or install the open source package on any LAMP server. Sign up and see examples for AngularJS, jQuery, Sencha Touch and Native! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=63469471iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel -- WikiWorks · MediaWiki Consulting · http://wikiworks.com -- DreamFactory - Open Source REST JSON Services for HTML5 Native Apps OAuth, Users, Roles, SQL, NoSQL, BLOB Storage and External API Access Free app hosting. Or install the open source package on any LAMP server. Sign up and see examples for AngularJS, jQuery, Sencha Touch and Native! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=63469471iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel
Re: [SMW-devel] Ask 1.0 released!
Hi and very nice Jeroen. Any discussion which version of smw is expected to have this common library? I assume it's the same syntax as before, minus subobjects? Any other functional differences? thanks for the hard work/john On 11/17/2013 2:11 PM, Jeroen De Dauw wrote: Hey all, I'm happy to announce the initial release of the Ask library! A small write-up of this release can be found at http://www.bn2vs.com/blog/2013/11/17/ask-1-0-released/ The library itself and its documentation resides at https://github.com/wmde/Ask Cheers -- Jeroen De Dauw http://www.bn2vs.com Don't panic. Don't be evil. ~=[,,_,,]:3 -- -- DreamFactory - Open Source REST JSON Services for HTML5 Native Apps OAuth, Users, Roles, SQL, NoSQL, BLOB Storage and External API Access Free app hosting. Or install the open source package on any LAMP server. Sign up and see examples for AngularJS, jQuery, Sencha Touch and Native! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=63469471iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel -- DreamFactory - Open Source REST JSON Services for HTML5 Native Apps OAuth, Users, Roles, SQL, NoSQL, BLOB Storage and External API Access Free app hosting. Or install the open source package on any LAMP server. Sign up and see examples for AngularJS, jQuery, Sencha Touch and Native! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=63469471iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel
Re: [SMW-devel] Ask 1.0 released!
Hey John, Any discussion which version of smw is expected to have this common library There is no discussion about this, as quite some work needs to happen before we can use Ask in SMW. All I can provide is a guess for the first release in which SMW might realistically be using this library, which is SMW 1.11. That is all assuming we manage to stick to our release roadmap this time. I assume it's the same syntax as before, minus subobjects? This library is a set of entities that represent data and contain some business logic. It does not define syntax. When SMW adopts this library, it can retain its current wikitext parsing and formatting code. Though I hope this code will have been rewritten by that point (without functional changes), as it is very much legacy code as well. A library build on top of this new one provides the serialization and deserialization code for the Ask language that will be used by the Wikidata project. This could be used in SMWs web API instead, or as addition to, the wikitext serialization of Ask. A release announcement of this will follow hopefully soon. https://github.com/wmde/AskSerialization Cheers -- Jeroen De Dauw http://www.bn2vs.com Don't panic. Don't be evil. ~=[,,_,,]:3 -- -- DreamFactory - Open Source REST JSON Services for HTML5 Native Apps OAuth, Users, Roles, SQL, NoSQL, BLOB Storage and External API Access Free app hosting. Or install the open source package on any LAMP server. Sign up and see examples for AngularJS, jQuery, Sencha Touch and Native! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=63469471iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel
Re: [SMW-devel] ajax=true - thinking about new global parameter for all Result Formats
I meant why bother instead of why both before, by the way. -- DreamFactory - Open Source REST JSON Services for HTML5 Native Apps OAuth, Users, Roles, SQL, NoSQL, BLOB Storage and External API Access Free app hosting. Or install the open source package on any LAMP server. Sign up and see examples for AngularJS, jQuery, Sencha Touch and Native! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=63469471iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel
Re: [SMW-devel] Ask 1.0 released!
Hi Jeroen! Good stuff! Hopefully writing result formats will become even easier and more pleasant task! What do you think to do with growong number of dependencies of SMW? It seems that by SMW 1.11 we're going to need to install Validator, DataValues, Ask and maybe something else in order to install SMW. Of course, there is a Composer but I'm pretty sure that there's not much people using it. Maybe we should pack SMW tarball with these extensions? - Yury Katkov, WikiVote On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 4:10 AM, Jeroen De Dauw jeroended...@gmail.com wrote: Hey John, Any discussion which version of smw is expected to have this common library There is no discussion about this, as quite some work needs to happen before we can use Ask in SMW. All I can provide is a guess for the first release in which SMW might realistically be using this library, which is SMW 1.11. That is all assuming we manage to stick to our release roadmap this time. I assume it's the same syntax as before, minus subobjects? This library is a set of entities that represent data and contain some business logic. It does not define syntax. When SMW adopts this library, it can retain its current wikitext parsing and formatting code. Though I hope this code will have been rewritten by that point (without functional changes), as it is very much legacy code as well. A library build on top of this new one provides the serialization and deserialization code for the Ask language that will be used by the Wikidata project. This could be used in SMWs web API instead, or as addition to, the wikitext serialization of Ask. A release announcement of this will follow hopefully soon. https://github.com/wmde/AskSerialization Cheers -- Jeroen De Dauw http://www.bn2vs.com Don't panic. Don't be evil. ~=[,,_,,]:3 -- -- DreamFactory - Open Source REST JSON Services for HTML5 Native Apps OAuth, Users, Roles, SQL, NoSQL, BLOB Storage and External API Access Free app hosting. Or install the open source package on any LAMP server. Sign up and see examples for AngularJS, jQuery, Sencha Touch and Native! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=63469471iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel -- DreamFactory - Open Source REST JSON Services for HTML5 Native Apps OAuth, Users, Roles, SQL, NoSQL, BLOB Storage and External API Access Free app hosting. Or install the open source package on any LAMP server. Sign up and see examples for AngularJS, jQuery, Sencha Touch and Native! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=63469471iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel
