Re: [SMW-devel] Gerrit #84744: Disable type enforcement for properties with names equal to type names
Hi Vitaliy, I'm not a core SMW developer, so there's not much I can do on this issue; but maybe there are some SMW developers reading this, who can at least express an opinion on the subject. Anyone? On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 3:37 PM, wrote: > I agree with you here. I don't think backwards compatibility is a >> compelling reason to keep the property-name-dictates-type feature. I >> don't believe there are that many wikis that have such a property >> defined without an associated type - and conversely, we know of a few >> wikis where this feature has caused problems, that have, for example, >> a property named "Telephone number" of type String or Text. I think it >> makes a lot of sense to just toss this feature out entirely - it will >> cause some short-term pain for a few admins, but in the long term it >> will simplify both the code base and the usage of SMW. >> > > Thanks Yaron! So, what do you think should be done next? :) > > -- WikiWorks · MediaWiki Consulting · http://wikiworks.com -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134791&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel
Re: [SMW-devel] Gerrit #84744: Disable type enforcement for properties with names equal to type names
> I agree with you here. I don't think backwards compatibility is a > compelling reason to keep the property-name-dictates-type feature. I > don't believe there are that many wikis that have such a property > defined without an associated type - and conversely, we know of a few > wikis where this feature has caused problems, that have, for example, > a property named "Telephone number" of type String or Text. I think it > makes a lot of sense to just toss this feature out entirely - it will > cause some short-term pain for a few admins, but in the long term it > will simplify both the code base and the usage of SMW. Thanks Yaron! So, what do you think should be done next? :) -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134791&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel
Re: [SMW-devel] Gerrit #84744: Disable type enforcement for properties with names equal to type names
Hi Vitaliy, I agree with you here. I don't think backwards compatibility is a compelling reason to keep the property-name-dictates-type feature. I don't believe there are that many wikis that have such a property defined without an associated type - and conversely, we know of a few wikis where this feature has caused problems, that have, for example, a property named "Telephone number" of type String or Text. I think it makes a lot of sense to just toss this feature out entirely - it will cause some short-term pain for a few admins, but in the long term it will simplify both the code base and the usage of SMW. -Yaron On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 10:14 AM, wrote: > Hi! > > It seems the discussion in https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/84744/ is > slowed down, so maybe we'll discuss it here? > > The full history is that I've recently discovered a strange SMW > behavior - type-named properties with enforced type. I.e. property named > "email" ALWAYS has email type, and you cannot override it. Markus said > it was done for some sort of backwards compatibility (details are in > gerrit), and I think it's an unevident behaviour, so I still think it > should be disabled... > > To not break things with disabling this "feature" I suggest creating a > maintenance script (run as part of update.php) which will look for usage > of type-named properties and create them with [[has type::]] if > they're really used. > > What do you (SMW developers), and this mailing list subscribers in > general, think about it? > > -- > With best regards, >Vitaliy Filippov > > > -- > LIMITED TIME SALE - Full Year of Microsoft Training For Just $49.99! > 1,500+ hours of tutorials including VisualStudio 2012, Windows 8, > SharePoint > 2013, SQL 2012, MVC 4, more. BEST VALUE: New Multi-Library Power Pack > includes > Mobile, Cloud, Java, and UX Design. Lowest price ever! Ends 9/20/13. > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58041151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > ___ > Semediawiki-devel mailing list > Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel > -- WikiWorks · MediaWiki Consulting · http://wikiworks.com -- LIMITED TIME SALE - Full Year of Microsoft Training For Just $49.99! 1,500+ hours of tutorials including VisualStudio 2012, Windows 8, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, MVC 4, more. BEST VALUE: New Multi-Library Power Pack includes Mobile, Cloud, Java, and UX Design. Lowest price ever! Ends 9/20/13. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58041151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel
[SMW-devel] Gerrit #84744: Disable type enforcement for properties with names equal to type names
Hi! It seems the discussion in https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/84744/ is slowed down, so maybe we'll discuss it here? The full history is that I've recently discovered a strange SMW behavior - type-named properties with enforced type. I.e. property named "email" ALWAYS has email type, and you cannot override it. Markus said it was done for some sort of backwards compatibility (details are in gerrit), and I think it's an unevident behaviour, so I still think it should be disabled... To not break things with disabling this "feature" I suggest creating a maintenance script (run as part of update.php) which will look for usage of type-named properties and create them with [[has type::]] if they're really used. What do you (SMW developers), and this mailing list subscribers in general, think about it? -- With best regards, Vitaliy Filippov -- LIMITED TIME SALE - Full Year of Microsoft Training For Just $49.99! 1,500+ hours of tutorials including VisualStudio 2012, Windows 8, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, MVC 4, more. BEST VALUE: New Multi-Library Power Pack includes Mobile, Cloud, Java, and UX Design. Lowest price ever! Ends 9/20/13. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58041151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel
