Re: [SMW-devel] inline warnings are crawled by Google

2007-11-07 Thread Sergey Chernyshev 
>
> Anyway, if you want to disable them, just set $smwgInlineErrors = false;
> in
> your LocalSettings (after including SMW).
>

OK, will do, this might be a good idea for production site.

Although warnings are useful and maybe moving them to Factbox instead of
completely disabling is better - I'd vote for this functionality along with
configurable display of Factobox discussed before.

  Sergey


On Nov 7, 2007 1:20 PM, Markus Krötzsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The warnings are embedded in a way that allows clients without JavaScript
> browsers to read them. This of course involves Google's crawlers. I also
> wonder why the warnings are really a problem in Google, since they should
> be
> rare in general (their very purpose is to help people to spot errors
> quickly
> and fix them right away). If you write something erroneous into your wiki,
> there is always a chance of Google indexing it without you being able to
> propagate the fix to Google's caches right after spotting it.
>
> Anyway, if you want to disable them, just set $smwgInlineErrors = false;
> in
> your LocalSettings (after including SMW).
>
> -- Markus
>
> On Mittwoch, 7. November 2007, Sergey Chernyshev wrote:
> > Yes, it's possible to change a skin to output some description, but I
> > really want it to output page's content, not some generic words
> therefore
> > it's not that easy to achieve in wiki.
> >
> > When I was talking about JS, I meant that page will contain empty span
> tags
> > like:
> >
> > 
> >
> > and some JS code next to factbox will contain actual warnings so they
> could
> > be enabled/disabled with a button or with user preferences. It'll also
> > allow showing warnings in factbox itself.
> >
> >Sergey
> >
> > On Nov 7, 2007 1:42 AM, S Page <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Sergey Chernyshev wrote:
> > > > It seems that inline warnings are being crawled and indexed by
> Google
> > > > which is quite bad.
> > > >
> > > > Here's home Google listing for one of my pages looks:
> > > >
> > > > *JavaScript: The Good Parts* - Technical Presentations
> > > >  >
> > > >
> > > > warning.pngSorry, URIs from the range
> > > >
> > > > "http://www.techpresentations.org{{#mediapath:*JavaScript*
>  > > >echpresentations.org%7B%7B#mediapath:*JavaScript*>*The Good
> > > > Parts*.jpg}}" are not available in this place. *...*
> > > > www.techpresentations.org/
> > > >  >*JavaScript*:_The_*Good*_*Parts*
> > > > - 18k -
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I fixed the error and google is probably going to update it
> eventualy,
> > > > but still, it's not very good idea to have embedded HTML in there -
> > > > maybe it's better to have them inserted using JS instead... it might
> > > > help with enabling/disabling it on per-user basis as well.
> > >
> > > You might be able to use the googleoff/on comment tags.  You want to
> > > turn off snippet and index, but you can probably just turn off
> > > everything with
> > > 
> > >   warning HTML stuff
> > > 
> > >
> > > Details at
> > > <
> > >
> http://code.google.com/apis/searchappliance/documentation/46/admin_crawl/
> > >Preparing.html#pagepart
> > >
> > > This definitely works for the Google Search Appliance, but I can't
> find
> > > conclusive evidence whether Google's own Web crawler respects these
> tags.
> > >
> > > Google tries to be smart about what to display in snippets, I'm not
> sure
> > > what heuristics work these days to discourage it.  Try looking at
> > > Google's cached version of your page for clues.  With JavaScript
> > > enabled, the SMW warnings are surrounded by , but the Google crawler sees the page with the warning in a
> > > regular .
> > >
> > > <
> > >
> http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2007/09/improve-snippets-with-
> > >meta-description.html
> > >
> > > suggests you can control the snippet using a
> > >   tag, you might be
> > > able to change your skin to output something here.
> > >
> > > You can turn off the snippet altogether with
> > >  ,
> > > see <
> http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=35304>
> > >
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> > >
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Re: [SMW-devel] inline warnings are crawled by Google

2007-11-07 Thread Markus Krötzsch 
The warnings are embedded in a way that allows clients without JavaScript 
browsers to read them. This of course involves Google's crawlers. I also 
wonder why the warnings are really a problem in Google, since they should be 
rare in general (their very purpose is to help people to spot errors quickly 
and fix them right away). If you write something erroneous into your wiki, 
there is always a chance of Google indexing it without you being able to 
propagate the fix to Google's caches right after spotting it.

Anyway, if you want to disable them, just set $smwgInlineErrors = false; in 
your LocalSettings (after including SMW).

-- Markus

On Mittwoch, 7. November 2007, Sergey Chernyshev wrote:
> Yes, it's possible to change a skin to output some description, but I
> really want it to output page's content, not some generic words therefore
> it's not that easy to achieve in wiki.
>
> When I was talking about JS, I meant that page will contain empty span tags
> like:
>
> 
>
> and some JS code next to factbox will contain actual warnings so they could
> be enabled/disabled with a button or with user preferences. It'll also
> allow showing warnings in factbox itself.
>
>Sergey
>
> On Nov 7, 2007 1:42 AM, S Page <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Sergey Chernyshev wrote:
> > > It seems that inline warnings are being crawled and indexed by Google
> > > which is quite bad.
> > >
> > > Here's home Google listing for one of my pages looks:
> > >
> > > *JavaScript: The Good Parts* - Technical Presentations
> > > 
> > >
> > > warning.pngSorry, URIs from the range
> > >
> > > "http://www.techpresentations.org{{#mediapath:*JavaScript* > >echpresentations.org%7B%7B#mediapath:*JavaScript*>*The Good
> > > Parts*.jpg}}" are not available in this place. *...*
> > > www.techpresentations.org/
> > > *JavaScript*:_The_*Good*_*Parts*
> > > - 18k -
> > >
> > >
> > > I fixed the error and google is probably going to update it eventualy,
> > > but still, it's not very good idea to have embedded HTML in there -
> > > maybe it's better to have them inserted using JS instead... it might
> > > help with enabling/disabling it on per-user basis as well.
> >
> > You might be able to use the googleoff/on comment tags.  You want to
> > turn off snippet and index, but you can probably just turn off
> > everything with
> > 
> >   warning HTML stuff
> > 
> >
> > Details at
> > <
> > http://code.google.com/apis/searchappliance/documentation/46/admin_crawl/
> >Preparing.html#pagepart
> >
> > This definitely works for the Google Search Appliance, but I can't find
> > conclusive evidence whether Google's own Web crawler respects these tags.
> >
> > Google tries to be smart about what to display in snippets, I'm not sure
> > what heuristics work these days to discourage it.  Try looking at
> > Google's cached version of your page for clues.  With JavaScript
> > enabled, the SMW warnings are surrounded by , but the Google crawler sees the page with the warning in a
> > regular .
> >
> > <
> > http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2007/09/improve-snippets-with-
> >meta-description.html
> >
> > suggests you can control the snippet using a
> >   tag, you might be
> > able to change your skin to output something here.
> >
> > You can turn off the snippet altogether with
> >  ,
> > see 
> >
> > --
> > =S Page
> >
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Re: [SMW-devel] inline warnings are crawled by Google

2007-11-07 Thread Sergey Chernyshev 
Yes, it's possible to change a skin to output some description, but I really
want it to output page's content, not some generic words therefore it's not
that easy to achieve in wiki.

When I was talking about JS, I meant that page will contain empty span tags
like:



and some JS code next to factbox will contain actual warnings so they could
be enabled/disabled with a button or with user preferences. It'll also allow
showing warnings in factbox itself.

   Sergey


On Nov 7, 2007 1:42 AM, S Page <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Sergey Chernyshev wrote:
>
> > It seems that inline warnings are being crawled and indexed by Google
> > which is quite bad.
> >
> > Here's home Google listing for one of my pages looks:
> >
> > *JavaScript: The Good Parts* - Technical Presentations
> > 
> >
> > warning.pngSorry, URIs from the range
> > 
> > "http://www.techpresentations.org{{#mediapath:*JavaScript**The
> >  Good
> > Parts*.jpg}}" are not available in this place. *...*
> > www.techpresentations.org/
> > *JavaScript*:_The_*Good*_*Parts*
> > - 18k -
> >
> >
> > I fixed the error and google is probably going to update it eventualy,
> > but still, it's not very good idea to have embedded HTML in there -
> > maybe it's better to have them inserted using JS instead... it might
> > help with enabling/disabling it on per-user basis as well.
>
> You might be able to use the googleoff/on comment tags.  You want to
> turn off snippet and index, but you can probably just turn off
> everything with
> 
>   warning HTML stuff
> 
>
> Details at
> <
> http://code.google.com/apis/searchappliance/documentation/46/admin_crawl/Preparing.html#pagepart
> >
> This definitely works for the Google Search Appliance, but I can't find
> conclusive evidence whether Google's own Web crawler respects these tags.
>
> Google tries to be smart about what to display in snippets, I'm not sure
> what heuristics work these days to discourage it.  Try looking at
> Google's cached version of your page for clues.  With JavaScript
> enabled, the SMW warnings are surrounded by , but the Google crawler sees the page with the warning in a
> regular .
>
> <
> http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2007/09/improve-snippets-with-meta-description.html
> >
> suggests you can control the snippet using a
>   tag, you might be
> able to change your skin to output something here.
>
> You can turn off the snippet altogether with
>  ,
> see 
>
> --
> =S Page
>
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Re: [SMW-devel] inline warnings are crawled by Google

2007-11-06 Thread S Page 
Sergey Chernyshev wrote:

> It seems that inline warnings are being crawled and indexed by Google 
> which is quite bad.
> 
> Here's home Google listing for one of my pages looks:
> 
> *JavaScript: The Good Parts* - Technical Presentations
> 
> 
> warning.pngSorry, URIs from the range
> "http://www.techpresentations.org{{#mediapath:*JavaScript* *The Good
> Parts*.jpg}}" are not available in this place. *...*
> www.techpresentations.org/
> *JavaScript*:_The_*Good*_*Parts*
> - 18k -
> 
> 
> I fixed the error and google is probably going to update it eventualy, 
> but still, it's not very good idea to have embedded HTML in there - 
> maybe it's better to have them inserted using JS instead... it might 
> help with enabling/disabling it on per-user basis as well.

You might be able to use the googleoff/on comment tags.  You want to 
turn off snippet and index, but you can probably just turn off 
everything with

   warning HTML stuff


Details at 

This definitely works for the Google Search Appliance, but I can't find 
conclusive evidence whether Google's own Web crawler respects these tags.

Google tries to be smart about what to display in snippets, I'm not sure 
what heuristics work these days to discourage it.  Try looking at 
Google's cached version of your page for clues.  With JavaScript 
enabled, the SMW warnings are surrounded by , but the Google crawler sees the page with the warning in a 
regular .


 
suggests you can control the snippet using a
   tag, you might be 
able to change your skin to output something here.

You can turn off the snippet altogether with
 ,
see 

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[SMW-devel] inline warnings are crawled by Google

2007-11-06 Thread Sergey Chernyshev 
It seems that inline warnings are being crawled and indexed by Google which
is quite bad.

Here's home Google listing for one of my pages looks:

> *JavaScript: The Good Parts* - Technical 
> Presentations
> warning.pngSorry, URIs from the range
> "http://www.techpresentations.org{{#mediapath:*JavaScript* *The Good Parts
> *.jpg}}" are not available in this place. *...*
> www.techpresentations.org/*JavaScript*:_The_*Good*_*Parts* - 18k -
>

I fixed the error and google is probably going to update it eventualy, but
still, it's not very good idea to have embedded HTML in there - maybe it's
better to have them inserted using JS instead... it might help with
enabling/disabling it on per-user basis as well.

  Sergey
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