Re: [SMW-devel] Set a SMW property programmatically in PHP?
Hi Jason, If you're talking about making a change to the semantic data of a page that is not reflected in that page's wikitext, that sounds like a bad idea - the new data would be removed as soon as the page was edited and saved again. -Yaron On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 3:42 PM, Jason Ji jason.y...@gmail.com wrote: Hi SMW community, I have a hopefully simple question. Is there a way to set an SMW property for a page programmatically in PHP? Suppose I have access to any of the relevant information, like the page ID. For context, I'm writing an extension which, among other things, creates wiki pages using $wikipage-doEditContent(), and I'd like to be able to set a semantic title https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Title property on the page at that point. Thanks! -- Jason Ji jason.y...@gmail.com -- Monitor 25 network devices or servers for free with OpManager! OpManager is web-based network management software that monitors network devices and physical virtual servers, alerts via email sms for fault. Monitor 25 devices for free with no restriction. Download now http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/292181274;119417398;o ___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel -- WikiWorks · MediaWiki Consulting · http://wikiworks.com -- Monitor 25 network devices or servers for free with OpManager! OpManager is web-based network management software that monitors network devices and physical virtual servers, alerts via email sms for fault. Monitor 25 devices for free with no restriction. Download now http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/292181274;119417398;o___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel
Re: [SMW-devel] Set a SMW property programmatically in PHP?
On 29.06.2015 17:16, Yaron Koren wrote: Hi Jason, If you're talking about making a change to the semantic data of a page that is not reflected in that page's wikitext, that sounds like a bad idea - the new data would be removed as soon as the page was edited and saved again. Indeed, one has to be very careful here. The key is to make the change at the correct place to ensure that the data is not lost on updates or refreshs, which may not always trigger all MediaWiki hooks that you would use during normal parsing. In particular, semantic data is always secondary data which comes (mostly) from the content of the page and (in rare cases) from other metadata of the page (as for SMW's Modification date property). There are safe ways for setting properties from PHP, especially from within own parser functions. SMW's own #set parser function has examples on how to do this. Setting special properties like Modification date is more tricky. What you are trying to do sounds dangerous though, since it seems that you are trying to set the value of something that is controlled by another extension. If this is the case, you should let the other extension control it and insert into the page text whatever is necessary to get the value that you want. You cannot change SMW data to be different from what is actually given in the page -- doing so will only cause a temporary inconsistency in the database that will be fixed as soon as the page is stored/refreshed again. SMW data does not have an independent existence or history. It must be regenerated reliably on every refresh of the page. Regards, Markus -Yaron On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 3:42 PM, Jason Ji jason.y...@gmail.com mailto:jason.y...@gmail.com wrote: Hi SMW community, I have a hopefully simple question. Is there a way to set an SMW property for a page programmatically in PHP? Suppose I have access to any of the relevant information, like the page ID. For context, I'm writing an extension which, among other things, creates wiki pages using $wikipage-doEditContent(), and I'd like to be able to set a semantic title https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Title property on the page at that point. Thanks! -- Jason Ji jason.y...@gmail.com mailto:jason.y...@gmail.com -- Monitor 25 network devices or servers for free with OpManager! OpManager is web-based network management software that monitors network devices and physical virtual servers, alerts via email sms for fault. Monitor 25 devices for free with no restriction. Download now http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/292181274;119417398;o ___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net mailto:Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel -- WikiWorks · MediaWiki Consulting · http://wikiworks.com -- Monitor 25 network devices or servers for free with OpManager! OpManager is web-based network management software that monitors network devices and physical virtual servers, alerts via email sms for fault. Monitor 25 devices for free with no restriction. Download now http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/292181274;119417398;o ___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel -- Monitor 25 network devices or servers for free with OpManager! OpManager is web-based network management software that monitors network devices and physical virtual servers, alerts via email sms for fault. Monitor 25 devices for free with no restriction. Download now http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/292181274;119417398;o ___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel
Re: [SMW-devel] Set a SMW property programmatically in PHP?
Hi Jason, As both the SMW gurus said it can be dangerous but I think there is a way to do it, I have a small implementation where I am already using it. For this to work you need to have the information stored in a second source as well to be able to update the information on page refreshes (I use a separate db table). The way to update this property-value is to use the updateDataBefore hook and update the value by fetching it from the alternate source - of course there is some redundancy here but I guess you already knew that by now. Regards, Nischay Nahata On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 9:37 PM, Markus Krötzsch mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org wrote: On 29.06.2015 17:16, Yaron Koren wrote: Hi Jason, If you're talking about making a change to the semantic data of a page that is not reflected in that page's wikitext, that sounds like a bad idea - the new data would be removed as soon as the page was edited and saved again. Indeed, one has to be very careful here. The key is to make the change at the correct place to ensure that the data is not lost on updates or refreshs, which may not always trigger all MediaWiki hooks that you would use during normal parsing. In particular, semantic data is always secondary data which comes (mostly) from the content of the page and (in rare cases) from other metadata of the page (as for SMW's Modification date property). There are safe ways for setting properties from PHP, especially from within own parser functions. SMW's own #set parser function has examples on how to do this. Setting special properties like Modification date is more tricky. What you are trying to do sounds dangerous though, since it seems that you are trying to set the value of something that is controlled by another extension. If this is the case, you should let the other extension control it and insert into the page text whatever is necessary to get the value that you want. You cannot change SMW data to be different from what is actually given in the page -- doing so will only cause a temporary inconsistency in the database that will be fixed as soon as the page is stored/refreshed again. SMW data does not have an independent existence or history. It must be regenerated reliably on every refresh of the page. Regards, Markus -Yaron On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 3:42 PM, Jason Ji jason.y...@gmail.com mailto:jason.y...@gmail.com wrote: Hi SMW community, I have a hopefully simple question. Is there a way to set an SMW property for a page programmatically in PHP? Suppose I have access to any of the relevant information, like the page ID. For context, I'm writing an extension which, among other things, creates wiki pages using $wikipage-doEditContent(), and I'd like to be able to set a semantic title https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Title property on the page at that point. Thanks! -- Jason Ji jason.y...@gmail.com mailto:jason.y...@gmail.com -- Monitor 25 network devices or servers for free with OpManager! OpManager is web-based network management software that monitors network devices and physical virtual servers, alerts via email sms for fault. Monitor 25 devices for free with no restriction. Download now http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/292181274;119417398;o ___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net mailto:Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel -- WikiWorks · MediaWiki Consulting · http://wikiworks.com -- Monitor 25 network devices or servers for free with OpManager! OpManager is web-based network management software that monitors network devices and physical virtual servers, alerts via email sms for fault. Monitor 25 devices for free with no restriction. Download now http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/292181274;119417398;o ___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel -- Monitor 25 network devices or servers for free with OpManager! OpManager is web-based network management software that monitors network devices and physical virtual servers, alerts via email sms for fault. Monitor 25 devices for free with no restriction. Download now http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/292181274;119417398;o ___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Re: [SMW-devel] Set a SMW property programmatically in PHP?
Hi Nischay, Markus, and Yaron,
Thanks for your feedback. I replied to Yaron but neglected to reply-all to
the list: I did indeed ended up going with just manually embedding a
{{#set:}} in the page programmatically because it seemed overall safer and
easier to manage. Cindy Cicalese actually gave me the same warning about
having to re-set the data on page refreshes. :)
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On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 2:06 PM, Nischay Nahata nischay...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi Jason,
As both the SMW gurus said it can be dangerous but I think there is a way
to do it, I have a small implementation where I am already using it.
For this to work you need to have the information stored in a second
source as well to be able to update the information on page refreshes (I
use a separate db table). The way to update this property-value is to use
the updateDataBefore hook and update the value by fetching it from the
alternate source - of course there is some redundancy here but I guess you
already knew that by now.
Regards,
Nischay Nahata
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 9:37 PM, Markus Krötzsch
mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org wrote:
On 29.06.2015 17:16, Yaron Koren wrote:
Hi Jason,
If you're talking about making a change to the semantic data of a page
that is not reflected in that page's wikitext, that sounds like a bad
idea - the new data would be removed as soon as the page was edited and
saved again.
Indeed, one has to be very careful here. The key is to make the change
at the correct place to ensure that the data is not lost on updates or
refreshs, which may not always trigger all MediaWiki hooks that you
would use during normal parsing. In particular, semantic data is always
secondary data which comes (mostly) from the content of the page and (in
rare cases) from other metadata of the page (as for SMW's Modification
date property).
There are safe ways for setting properties from PHP, especially from
within own parser functions. SMW's own #set parser function has examples
on how to do this. Setting special properties like Modification date is
more tricky.
What you are trying to do sounds dangerous though, since it seems that
you are trying to set the value of something that is controlled by
another extension. If this is the case, you should let the other
extension control it and insert into the page text whatever is necessary
to get the value that you want. You cannot change SMW data to be
different from what is actually given in the page -- doing so will only
cause a temporary inconsistency in the database that will be fixed as
soon as the page is stored/refreshed again. SMW data does not have an
independent existence or history. It must be regenerated reliably on
every refresh of the page.
Regards,
Markus
-Yaron
On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 3:42 PM, Jason Ji jason.y...@gmail.com
mailto:jason.y...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi SMW community,
I have a hopefully simple question. Is there a way to set an SMW
property for a page programmatically in PHP? Suppose I have access
to any of the relevant information, like the page ID.
For context, I'm writing an extension which, among other things,
creates wiki pages using $wikipage-doEditContent(), and I'd like to
be able to set a semantic title
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Title property
on the page at that point.
Thanks!
--
Jason Ji
jason.y...@gmail.com mailto:jason.y...@gmail.com
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