Re: [Server-devel] physical security issue
Hi all, > We currently do not recommend that an AA be used in schools. > Scalability with AAs is a problem, due to problems with the mesh > protocols. Hence my comment about likely needing an external > USB/network interface for the upstream connection. > > This might make the physical security problem easier to solve, > as now the server can be located anywhere in the school, and > only the AP needs to be positioned for optimum wireless coverage. I'm doing a reasonable AA trial and I'll post how it goes to the list soon. It seems to be working quite well though in initial tests. Cheers, Pia -- OLPC Australia http://olpc.org.au/ Linux Australia http://linux.org.au/ Open Source Industry Australia http://osia.net.au/ Software Freedom Day http://softwarefreedomday.org/ "I dig your vibe." - Rove McManus to Ice T ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] physical security issue
Actually, Walter, we still hold hope for XOs as school servers for very small schools.The problem with this is insufficient memory and insufficient disk space. While an external disk may alleviate the second problem, it has poor reliability and is a very attractive item for theft. But there is nothing stopping a regular laptop from serving as a school server. An external network interface may be needed for the upstream connection. wad On Oct 7, 2008, at 11:25 PM, Walter Bender wrote: > Clarification: the XO is not the laptop I am proposing for the server. > Wad can speak to this. > > -walter > > On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 11:24 PM, Walter Bender > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> One idealet (not worthy of being called an idea): What if the server >> were a laptop that the teacher could take with him/her? Pros: The >> school need not be secure. Cons: Price, and of course, laptops can be >> stolen. But it does put the server in the hands of a presumably >> trusted individual in the community. >> >> -walter >> >> On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 11:20 PM, Sameer Verma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >>> On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 8:00 PM, John Watlington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> wrote: You keep pushing for centrally hosted school servers. Are you sure you don't work for the phone company ? >>> >>> Last time I checked, San Francisco State University wasn't in the >>> telco business. >>> Again, unless you have a 100 Mbit connection from the school to the upstream ISP, you will need something with a disk and a significant amount of memory present in the school. >>> >>> OK. >>> I don't disagree about the need for physical security of the machine, just the proposed solution. >>> >>> OK. Any other solutions? I'm all ears. >>> >>> Sameer >>> wad On Oct 7, 2008, at 10:47 PM, Sameer Verma wrote: > As if discussions on this list aren't lively enough, here's > another > issue to look at. > > While I was in Jamaica, I met with several people who work with > their > school districts, and many pointed out that if a server was to > stay > physically resident at the school, it will need a lot of physical > security. The most common problem is theft. The other problem > will be > physical damage (just because somebody can). It is not uncommon in > some of these > > If the school server is hosted at an ISP upstream, we need > something > small (maybe an XO?) at the school that can VLAN or VPN over to > the > school server at the ISP/Data Center. > > Any ideas? > > cheers, > Sameer > -- > Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D. > Associate Professor of Information Systems > San Francisco State University > San Francisco CA 94132 USA > http://verma.sfsu.edu/ > http://opensource.sfsu.edu/ > ___ > Server-devel mailing list > Server-devel@lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel >>> ___ >>> Server-devel mailing list >>> Server-devel@lists.laptop.org >>> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Walter Bender >> Sugar Labs >> http://www.sugarlabs.org >> > > > > -- > Walter Bender > Sugar Labs > http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] physical security issue
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 11:24 PM, Walter Bender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > One idealet (not worthy of being called an idea): What if the server > were a laptop that the teacher could take with him/her? Pros: The > school need not be secure. Cons: Price, and of course, laptops can be > stolen. But it does put the server in the hands of a presumably > trusted individual in the community. One obvious problem is what happens if that teacher doesn't come to work today. In any school with more then one teacher, this would seem to be a potential problem. Bill Bogstad ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] physical security issue
Clarification: the XO is not the laptop I am proposing for the server. Wad can speak to this. -walter On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 11:24 PM, Walter Bender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > One idealet (not worthy of being called an idea): What if the server > were a laptop that the teacher could take with him/her? Pros: The > school need not be secure. Cons: Price, and of course, laptops can be > stolen. But it does put the server in the hands of a presumably > trusted individual in the community. > > -walter > > On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 11:20 PM, Sameer Verma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 8:00 PM, John Watlington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> You keep pushing for centrally hosted school servers. >>> Are you sure you don't work for the phone company ? >>> >> >> Last time I checked, San Francisco State University wasn't in the >> telco business. >> >>> Again, unless you have a 100 Mbit connection from the >>> school to the upstream ISP, you will need something with >>> a disk and a significant amount of memory present in the >>> school. >>> >> >> OK. >> >>> I don't disagree about the need for physical security of >>> the machine, just the proposed solution. >>> >> >> OK. Any other solutions? I'm all ears. >> >> Sameer >> >>> wad >>> >>> On Oct 7, 2008, at 10:47 PM, Sameer Verma wrote: >>> As if discussions on this list aren't lively enough, here's another issue to look at. While I was in Jamaica, I met with several people who work with their school districts, and many pointed out that if a server was to stay physically resident at the school, it will need a lot of physical security. The most common problem is theft. The other problem will be physical damage (just because somebody can). It is not uncommon in some of these If the school server is hosted at an ISP upstream, we need something small (maybe an XO?) at the school that can VLAN or VPN over to the school server at the ISP/Data Center. Any ideas? cheers, Sameer -- Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Information Systems San Francisco State University San Francisco CA 94132 USA http://verma.sfsu.edu/ http://opensource.sfsu.edu/ ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel >> ___ >> Server-devel mailing list >> Server-devel@lists.laptop.org >> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel >> > > > > -- > Walter Bender > Sugar Labs > http://www.sugarlabs.org > -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] physical security issue
One idealet (not worthy of being called an idea): What if the server were a laptop that the teacher could take with him/her? Pros: The school need not be secure. Cons: Price, and of course, laptops can be stolen. But it does put the server in the hands of a presumably trusted individual in the community. -walter On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 11:20 PM, Sameer Verma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 8:00 PM, John Watlington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> You keep pushing for centrally hosted school servers. >> Are you sure you don't work for the phone company ? >> > > Last time I checked, San Francisco State University wasn't in the > telco business. > >> Again, unless you have a 100 Mbit connection from the >> school to the upstream ISP, you will need something with >> a disk and a significant amount of memory present in the >> school. >> > > OK. > >> I don't disagree about the need for physical security of >> the machine, just the proposed solution. >> > > OK. Any other solutions? I'm all ears. > > Sameer > >> wad >> >> On Oct 7, 2008, at 10:47 PM, Sameer Verma wrote: >> >>> As if discussions on this list aren't lively enough, here's another >>> issue to look at. >>> >>> While I was in Jamaica, I met with several people who work with their >>> school districts, and many pointed out that if a server was to stay >>> physically resident at the school, it will need a lot of physical >>> security. The most common problem is theft. The other problem will be >>> physical damage (just because somebody can). It is not uncommon in >>> some of these >>> >>> If the school server is hosted at an ISP upstream, we need something >>> small (maybe an XO?) at the school that can VLAN or VPN over to the >>> school server at the ISP/Data Center. >>> >>> Any ideas? >>> >>> cheers, >>> Sameer >>> -- >>> Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D. >>> Associate Professor of Information Systems >>> San Francisco State University >>> San Francisco CA 94132 USA >>> http://verma.sfsu.edu/ >>> http://opensource.sfsu.edu/ >>> ___ >>> Server-devel mailing list >>> Server-devel@lists.laptop.org >>> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel > ___ > Server-devel mailing list > Server-devel@lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel > -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] physical security issue
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 8:00 PM, John Watlington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You keep pushing for centrally hosted school servers. > Are you sure you don't work for the phone company ? > Last time I checked, San Francisco State University wasn't in the telco business. > Again, unless you have a 100 Mbit connection from the > school to the upstream ISP, you will need something with > a disk and a significant amount of memory present in the > school. > OK. > I don't disagree about the need for physical security of > the machine, just the proposed solution. > OK. Any other solutions? I'm all ears. Sameer > wad > > On Oct 7, 2008, at 10:47 PM, Sameer Verma wrote: > >> As if discussions on this list aren't lively enough, here's another >> issue to look at. >> >> While I was in Jamaica, I met with several people who work with their >> school districts, and many pointed out that if a server was to stay >> physically resident at the school, it will need a lot of physical >> security. The most common problem is theft. The other problem will be >> physical damage (just because somebody can). It is not uncommon in >> some of these >> >> If the school server is hosted at an ISP upstream, we need something >> small (maybe an XO?) at the school that can VLAN or VPN over to the >> school server at the ISP/Data Center. >> >> Any ideas? >> >> cheers, >> Sameer >> -- >> Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D. >> Associate Professor of Information Systems >> San Francisco State University >> San Francisco CA 94132 USA >> http://verma.sfsu.edu/ >> http://opensource.sfsu.edu/ >> ___ >> Server-devel mailing list >> Server-devel@lists.laptop.org >> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] physical security issue
You keep pushing for centrally hosted school servers. Are you sure you don't work for the phone company ? Again, unless you have a 100 Mbit connection from the school to the upstream ISP, you will need something with a disk and a significant amount of memory present in the school. I don't disagree about the need for physical security of the machine, just the proposed solution. wad On Oct 7, 2008, at 10:47 PM, Sameer Verma wrote: > As if discussions on this list aren't lively enough, here's another > issue to look at. > > While I was in Jamaica, I met with several people who work with their > school districts, and many pointed out that if a server was to stay > physically resident at the school, it will need a lot of physical > security. The most common problem is theft. The other problem will be > physical damage (just because somebody can). It is not uncommon in > some of these > > If the school server is hosted at an ISP upstream, we need something > small (maybe an XO?) at the school that can VLAN or VPN over to the > school server at the ISP/Data Center. > > Any ideas? > > cheers, > Sameer > -- > Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D. > Associate Professor of Information Systems > San Francisco State University > San Francisco CA 94132 USA > http://verma.sfsu.edu/ > http://opensource.sfsu.edu/ > ___ > Server-devel mailing list > Server-devel@lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
