RE: SD my deciding factor

2004-10-26 Thread Jason Arroyo
Gosh where to begin? LOL.

The idea I envisioned conceals the rear engine 100%. Possibly even still
allows some hatch space, but with reduced storage depth. It would kinda
reselble an 80's camaro rear hatch area, including the rearmost lower
area of one.

As far as safety and legality goes, both will encounter issues, since
the biggest safety issue is actually not fireproofing the rear engine,
but ensuring the stability of rear suspension. Since in both cases you
will have to significantly modify the stock setup to accommodate, either
will be tricky for inspection. Certainly the idea of cutting out and
grafting in an entire engine bay eliminates much of that problem, as it
literally includes all the necessary mount points for front IRS, only
now in the rear.

You still do not know if a 3.3 can even be installed (without major
engine bay modification) in the front of a Daytona.

Now, considering the longevity of a twin-engine setup, you actually will
have LONGER life and reliability, so long as at the least, the rear
setup utilizes an automatic transmission. Because there is no way in
hell you can synch up two manuals. But guess what? The minivan setup
will ONLY come in automatic.

So you get a choice here with the twin setup. Twin automatics makes the
synch issue a NON-issue. Torque converters cancel out pull/push bias.
You also can choose a manual up front and an automatic in the rear,
which will coast when you shift the front with no probs, and under
accelleration with the front, the rear will regulate additional load
much in the same manner that a wastegate regulates boost.

The AWD support of twin transaxles will also provide superior grab over
the minivan AWD system. And consider that with the minivan system there
is no guarantee that the rear end can handle sporty power delivery, but
the twins are guaranteed to handle it... In fact, with twins, since each
was designed to handle rocketing around the weight of an entire car by
themselves, the strenth of TWO of those doing it ensures that, baring no
mechanical falire typical of ANY transaxle (including minivan), it will
be WAY more than you will ever need, and smooth as silk.

Too many uncertainties and too much customization, and not enough power
potential in the minivan setup. All those factors are pretty much givens
however in the twin setup, since you use the same formula in the rear
that you normally would in the front. As close to a no-brainer as it can
get, and I am surprised the Shadow didn't show up sooner on the SD
scene.

-J   Southern California Forced Induction
1989 Dodge Daytona Shelby Turbo II
1986 Chrysler Laser XE Turbo
1990 Plymouth Laser RS Turbo
1991 Mitsu Eclispe GSX Turbo(for sale)
1990 VW Corrado G60 Supercharged (possibly revived?)
1984 Nissan 200SX Turbo
1985 Nissan 200SX Turbo
1983 Datsun 280ZX Turbo

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so anyways, i think the deciding factor for me in this single/duel
engine debate would be daily drivability and if you wanted to put the
car on the road and/or retain a stock or near stock appearance. or if
you were strictly using this as a racer. it would be hard to keep a
stock looking car with the dual engine setup(unless of coarse the
original purchaser opted for the heat retardant tonneau cover). now the
3.3 isnt exactly a stock motor in the daytona but its no engine in the
trunk. also, both setups may be difficult to get past a safety check
unless you did an extremely good job on the fabricating. im not sure if
the twin engine would even be legal. you would have to do the swap on a
car that is already on the road. the other thing i thought of was that i
cant see the twin engines lasting very long when they are competeing
against each other if they arent really close to running the same. i
think the best plan would be to have both engine as completely stand
alone units,!
  aside
 from the accelerator cable and maybe battery. i think it would probably
be best to have seperate auto shifters so you could put one of the
drivetrains in neutral while driving. that way you could switch between
fwd, rwd, or 4wd. also since everything would be redundant, this would
be the most reliable car ever built. just think, if one drivetrian had a
problem, just pop the tranny in nuetral and pull or push it home with
the other engine. no tow truck required.lol. 

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Re: SD my deciding factor

2004-10-26 Thread Colwell82
Certainly the idea of cutting out and
grafting in an entire engine bay eliminates much of that problem, as it
literally includes all the necessary mount points for front IRS, only
now in the rear.

I was actually thinking about this earlier this summer.. has anyone cut the 
shock towers out and put them in the rear's place? I thought about this before 
the talk of putting the whole engine compartment in the back, so I was 
thinking simpler but it could be done. oh why do i keep thinking about 
this... I'm trying to cut down on projects!


Matt Colwell
86 T-Top Turbo~Z
86 Turbo~Z
87 Shadow ES
02 S~10 4X4

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