Re: ShopTalk: Fwd: Scam

[MPRUITT]

I operate  a retail golf store and am asked by 
my credit card terminal for those numbers when closing a sale over the phone or 
web sale , only asked if the card is not held in my hand.
Ray Pruitt

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 12:09 
  AM
  Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Fwd: Scam
  In a message dated 1/17/2004 6:49:13 AM Pacific 
  Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  What the scam wants is the 3-digit PIN number.  NEVER GIVE 
THIS OUT!!Hi John,Im confused, I have two 
  merchant accounts and take point of sale purchases as well as phone-Internet 
  orders and in no case am I required to take the last 3 #'s on the back of the 
  card, however when I place orders with reputable CO's such as Wishon they ask 
  me for these #'s and I give them because I know who Im dealing 
  with.David 

Re: ShopTalk: Top Clubmakers / GD / Dr. Loft

[MPRUITT]

Tom , Bernie , and allother club gurus 
,
 
  I believe club REPAIRING / RETROFITTING 
should be written about also ,since in the real world most players want to play 
what they see being used on tour, and you can't do that with MOST custom 
heads.Good shaft fitting and clean repair work is very important 
also.
 I have been in tour vans and have seen bins 
of heads with varying weights so that lead tape and hosel pins don't have to be 
used , so evidently some of the oem folks are true custom makers , if only on 
tour. 
  Seriously though , given the number of club 
fixers/makers in this country , how could you ever be fair to the craft if you 
can't rate them all? 
 
Ray

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Tom Wishon 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 6:17 
  PM
  Subject: RE: ShopTalk: Top Clubmakers / 
  GD / Dr. Loft
  
  
  Al:
   
  Good points for sure 
  but most all of the readers of GD believe that the custom clubs used by the 
  guys on tour all come from the OEMS and know very little if anything about 
  real clubmakers like you and everyone else here.  And the worst part of 
  it is that because they are aware of the tour players using custom shafts, or 
  this or that, the regular golfers tend to believe that custom clubs are only 
  for better golfers.   So the education process really needs to 
  almost start all over again.  But you have a good idea about putting your 
  picture in front of 1.5 million readers because that would really go a long 
  way . . . uh, a long way. . . uh, ah heck, it would go a long way toward 
  making you the pre-eminent fitter for the ladies, you handsome dog 
  you!!
   
  TOM 

   
   
  -Original 
  Message-From: Al Taylor 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 12:47 
  PMTo: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: ShopTalk: Top Clubmakers / 
  GD / Dr. Loft
   
  Hey there TOM W,Listing top club 
  makers / fitters would be superb.  I could list all my club champ 
  customers etc.  Maybe my pic too??Seriously, you know maybe 
  crawling before walking might be a good approach.  What about some 
  articles on the hardware these pro golfers use?  Maybe some comments on 
  their various lofts and lies and grinds.  A mention or two on their 
  putter and driver lengths.  What do these comments all have in 
  common?  Custom Clubs.  How do they get them?  Club 
  makers.  Who helps make the custom choices?  Club fitters.  You 
  could sneak in the side door by mentioning the customized stuff and voila 
  (that is French for gadzooks), you then have to mention these masters of 
  trickery, at some point.AlAt 02:32 PM 10/15/2003, 
  you wrote:
  Harry and 
  Bernie:You guys are both 
  aware that any magazine, regardless of its subject area is somewhat to sort of 
  to very much handcuffed by its advertisers.  In the magazine business 
  there is an old adage that is often tossed around that goes,  does 
  advertising breed editorial, or does editorial breed advertising.   
  And the only industry in which I have seen magazines basically stick their 
  noses up to their advertisers are some of the computer magazines, when I have 
  seen reviews of computers or peripherals or software that make negative 
  comments once in a while.  I can tell you that 
  over the years in my career going back to the 80s I have written as a guest or 
  regular contributor for Golf World, Golfweek, Golf Shop Operations, GOLF, Golf 
  Digest, Golf Illustrated and others.  In every case except for Golf 
  Digest, I have been either kicked out or told to tone it down, when something 
  I wrote about the truth of golf equipment incurred the wrath of an 
  advertiser.  The funniest one I remember was when I wrote an article on 
  forgings for Golf World long before the Golf Digest people bought the 
  magazine.  Something in the article upset the then president of Ben Hogan 
  company and I was asked to fly down to Ft Worth where Hogan used to be HQd, to 
  explain my piece to the president and their officers.  The meeting 
  started with the president literally throwing the issue at me that had my 
  article in it, using what I considered to be a very childish manner of letting 
  me know what he thought about my writing.  Well, I got up to walk out 
  because I dont ever need to have to deal with people like that, but then he 
  cooled down.  Net result is that there are a lot of people in the 
  industry who believe that their ad dollars bring with it a right to tell a 
  magazine what to write, and whether the magazine listens or not is simply a 
  matter of how much they need the ad dollars.   In Golf Digests case, 
  I have worked with them for now nine years, much in the capacity of what you, 
  Bernie, mentioned about your fathers role.  Their equipment editors will 
  call me for ideas, or run statements made by this or that golf equipment 
  company by me to see what is fact or fiction, or ask me to write artic

Re: ShopTalk: NBP-COG

[MPRUITT]

anyone ever dry install the head on a shaft , clamp it in a freq. meter with
the toe up ,face pointing to an imaginary target [right handed club] and
twang it to see if you could the head to "run flat" or flat line ? if you
rotate the head on the shaft , then reset it toe up until you you can get a
flat line run , what does that tell you about a shaft/clubhead assembly?
Ray
- Original Message - 
From: "Bernie Baymiller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 5:36 PM
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: NBP-COG


> Tom,
>
> You need to build yourself an NF2. If I rotate to the spine on my NF2 with
a
> dial indicator and can read the deflection in thousandths, as well as see
> the deflection go up as I go toward the spine, and see the resistance
> direction of the shaft and its affect on the dial indicator's probe, then
it
> is obvious to me that the point of least stability is a spine, or stiffer
> point on the circumference of the shaft. If there are two, I can measure
> them both in thousandths and know which is the S1 and which is the S2, as
> well as their magnitude from the NBP deflections.
>
> I think that if I mark the location of the NBP, a dead stable point, with
> the accurate marking guide (dead center over the shaft on an NF2) on the
> wider section of the shaft just below the grip, that I can get closer than
> 4° in an NBP-COG alignment. In fact, since gravity pulls the head to the
COG
> (I hope), my only alignment variables are my NBP marking accuracy and my
> ability to put the NBP exactly at 6 o'clock. Since the marking guide is
very
> close to the flexed shaft, I think that I can mark it within 2°...but
> whether I can get the NBP exactly at 6 repeatably, I'm not sure yet. I
made
> a small jig from a section of graphite shaft that is exactly 1/2 the
> circumference of the shaft at the point I mark the NBP. This allows me to
> put a mark 180° from the NBP, which I will be able to orient at 12 on a
> table top. Of course, this assumes I'm using a similar-diameter shaft at
the
> marking point.
>
> Another way that I've tried marking the 12 o'clock point is to put the
> NBP-marked shaft in my Workmate slot and close it up to the point that I
can
> just rotate the shaft. Looking up from underneath, I can center the NBP
mark
> in the small slot, then mark the top dead center. There are probably some
> other ways that might work better.
>
> How've you been playing lately? Is your lurch still lurching down the
> fairway? I was just getting consistently back into the mid-high 70s when I
> tore up my left shoulder (probably rolled over in bed the wrong way) about
a
> week ago and might not be able to play for at least a couple of weeks.
Then,
> it'll be back to trying to break 80 again. There is always another
challenge
> for us senior players. :-)
>
> Bernie
> Writeto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "tflan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 1:03 PM
> Subject: Re: ShopTalk: NBP-COG
>
>
> > Dr Tutelman:
> >
> > A question, por favor. When this subject was broached several months
ago,
> > and the thread unwound for about 3 weeks, I asked a question that got no
> > universally agreed upon answer. The question was; is the spine found at
> the
> > top of the shaft or at the bottom of the shaft when testing in Dick's
> spine
> > finder? Responses were equally, and passionately, divided.
> >
> > I then asked another question; if when one finds the spine, the "hard
> spot"
> > via the use of our arguably primitive methods, how can one accurately
mark
> > and then place the hard spot in a specific position? As I recall, you
> > responded, correctly, that we'd be lucky to get the spine situated to
> within
> > 3 to 4 degrees. You mentioned the circumference of the .335" tip, when
> > reduced to 360 degrees, would be virtually impossible to set accurately.
I
> > agree. An assembler would need to identify the spine at the shaft tip by
> > marking it with a needle, then mark the hosel in the precise finished
> > position. Then he'd need to mark the ferrule so the entire assembly
could
> be
> > stuck together in one operation. That's nearly impossible given the
> > workplaces of most assemblers.
> >
> > So, this thread re; placing cog/spine in some specific location with
> > accuracy is theoretically interesting  but in practice its pretty much
> > useless. I'm not knocking anyone, just making a point that's been made
> > several times in the past.
> >
> > TFlan
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Dave Tutelman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 10:49 AM
> > Subject: Re: ShopTalk: NBP-COG
> >
> >
> > > A few points I'd like to make concerning things that were brought up
in
> > > this thread:
> > >
> > > (1) As Alan Brooks and John Kaufman and I have said in the past, every
> > > shaft will have the stiffest directions (that is, spines) at 180*

Re: ShopTalk: NBP-COG

[MPRUITT]

Jim , what kind of procedure did you use given the fitting of a shaft in a
titleist 975 series head ?
Ray
- Original Message - 
From: "Thomson, Jim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 4:12 PM
Subject: RE: ShopTalk: NBP-COG


> I have reshafted my three drivers using the NBP-COG alignment
(975J/Graphite
> Design YS-6; 975J-VS/Graphite Design Purple Ice; 983K/Aldila NV) and was
> very pleased with the results of all three. I reshafted one of my Titleist
> 962 sets with the new Balistik shaft using the S1-COG alignment and really
> like these as well. Anecdotal info for what it's worth.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Letourneau, Henry J AM1(AW) (VAW120)
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: October 8, 2003 2:23 PM
> To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> Subject: RE: ShopTalk: NBP-COG
>
>
> Richard, there seems do be as many different views on spine allignment as
> there are positions to allign to! In the end I will have to do some
testing
> to see for myself, I will mention however that when i started spine
> alligning about a year ago i was doing all of the clubs spined to the 1200
> position because it felt better. My question to you is have you tried the
> nbp-cog allignment and what were your results. Would S1-COG make more
sense
> than simply alligning a set of irons to 1200? My experience is limited to
> building 10 to 12 sets a year over the past three years and am always
> looking for the best possible method af set matching available for my
> customers as well as myself. Thanks - Jim Letourneau
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Richard Kennedy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 10:46 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: ShopTalk: NBP-COG
>
>
>
> Scott, to put it very simply ,  ALIEN THE HARD SPINE AT 12:00.  12:00
keeps
> the clubhead toe from drooping.Forget what ever anybody else says,
> especially Mr. David T.whom is not a clubmaker per se & who knows very
> little about making/fitting of golfclubs.   By his own admission he only
> makes , at the very most, one set of clubs per year and those are strictly
> for his own personal use, Mr. David T. made that statement not I.   In
fact
> Mr. David T. fought us "SPINER'S" tooth and nail that the position off the
> spine had no effect on the playability or the flex of the golfclub.   It
was
> not until several People outside of ShopTalk or SpineTalk got into the
fray,
> with lots of money backing them,that he got into the discussion.I'm
not
> to sure but I think that Ed J., the host of SplineTalk, asked, I feel is a
> better word to use then lets say kicked off of SpileTalk, because of his
> disruptive and know it all air that he tried to use in his posts.  I do
not
> subscribe to SpineTalk not because I do not  believe in their views, which
> by the way I helped to put into use, but because I'm am presently engaged
in
> other web sites that will have some, I hope, effecting with my health.   I
> am not the clubmaker that has been spining the longest but i have been
> "SPINEING" golfclubs since 1984 long before it became popular.
>
> RK
>
> KENNEDY
>golf equipment
> manufacturer's of world class golfclub repair equipment
> ---Original Message---
>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Date: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 1:02:35 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Subject: Re: ShopTalk: NBP-COG
>
> Let me preface this by saying my introduction to this subject is at most
> a week old, and if my statements seem out to lunch, they very well may
> be. I'm trying to think this through with my own limited understanding.
> I'm certainly not trying to pass this off as if I know something that
> the rest of you don't.
>
> If I remember my physics correctly (and I probably don't), I expect any
> system like this to have some natural vibration; the twang you induce
> for FLO would cause this particular system to vibrate at its natural
> frequency. If the system is FLO aligned correctly this vibration is
> along the target line at impact, i.e 3-9 o'clock. Otherwise this
> vibration has a 12-6 o'clock component to it, which would help take the
> clubface out of the line with the ball. Please note that I have no idea
> how large this component would be. Are we talking fractions of
> millimeters here? If the NBP is aligned to COG, the local minima for
> shaft rigidity, then the vibration should be at a minimum because this
> is the most inherently stable shaft orientation for the force applied (I
> used the term damping to describe this ... I shouldn't have, it isn't
> the correct term). If the spine were aligned at COG, then when force is
> applied from the downsing, the shaft wants to rotate away (as in a spine
> finder), because this is the most inherently unstable shaft orientation
> and you would get the most vibration.
>
> Again, I have no idea if the deflection due to this oscillation could
> cause a toe 

Re: ShopTalk: Tom Wishon's New Company

[MPRUITT]

Tom ,
Congrats on your new venture. My father and I just 4 weeks ago opened a new
off course shop to complement our driving range, so we know some of your
feelings. I would like to be able to buy components from someone with your
knowledge and skills ,
at a price that allows profit ,and has a "look" that consumers want . Even
the oem's are producing lesser priced sets that are aimed at killing the
market for custom built sets. I will eagerly look at your new products. I am
always looking for an edge regarding shafts and technical knowledge , so I
hope you can provide that service. I would not expect you to participate on
shoptalk a lot , because , like myself , there are only so many hours in a
day to run your business and  fulfill family responsibilities.
  If you can , add [EMAIL PROTECTED] to your email list ,and I will try to
call you soon. God Bless and Good Luck.

Ray Pruitt
Tightsqueeze Driving Range
Rays Golf Shop
1.434.792.5880
- Original Message -
From: "tom wishon " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 4:35 PM
Subject: RE: ShopTalk: Tom Wishon's New Company


> Dan, Bernie, John, Bruce, Arnie and especially you Al,
>
> If you don't mind a little noxious promotion on Shop
> Talk...!
>
> This week when the new January issue of Golf Digest arrives in the
> mailbox, if you scan through the back section of ads you might see a new
> ad in there popping up at you.  I am pleased to announce the
> introduction of Tom Wishon Golf Technology, aka my own component
> company!  After 30yrs as a clubmaker, it was about time for me and
> Mary-Ellen to finally do this for ourselves!
>
> Mary-Ellen and I have located the company in Durango, Colorado.
> WHAT!!!??  Yes, Durango, Colorado!!  For one, I am a native of Colorado,
> born in Denver and grew up through high school in this state.  The
> mountains and this climate (beat the Texas summer heat!) are something I
> always missed over the many years since I left.  Since the nature of
> this business is phone/mail/internet orders and all communication with
> clubmakers is done by catalog/newsletter/email we felt that we could be
> anywhere to build this business as long as there was adequate trucking
> in and UPS out, which Durango does have.  Durango is in a unique
> location in that not only are there three UPS hubs within a couple
> hundred miles (Denver, Albuquerque, Grand Junction) but the climate here
> is really mild.  Two of the 4 golf courses here stay open 12 months, the
> other two do not only because they are winter feeding grounds for
> thousands of elk who have no concept of the etiquette of staying off the
> greens!!  Yet if you drive 30 mins north of Durango, you are litereally
> in the shadow of more 13,000-14,000 foot granite peaks than anywhere
> else in the country.  If I was looking for inspiration from the
> surroundings to keep working on clubmaking technology, it is here!!  The
> other reason we decided to launch our own company and locate here is
> partly personal - in the span of 4 months in 2001 I lost three very
> close friends in the golf business to tragic circumstances, who were all
> my age or younger.  In short, the old adage of "life's too short" hit me
> like a 2X4 'tween the eyes in 2001 and made me realize it was time for
> me to get away and get back to work on just what I wanted to do with the
> rest of my working life in golf.  So here we are, and I look forward to
> doing the best work of my entire career in the next several years.
>
> If you don't mind, I would like to tell you a little about what we are
> planning, because we are going to be a little different in terms of our
> product design offerings in some areas.  Our catalog is in the final
> stages of creation and will mail on February 1, 2003, but here's a
> general overview of what we have planned.
>
> First of all, in 2003 you will see what I really feel is the best
> overall clubhead product line I have ever designed.  Virtually all of
> the various materials imaginable plus a few new ones, and the various
> methods of manufacture from casting to forging, are included in the 8
> sets of woodheads, 8 sets of irons, 4 models of stand-alone wedges and 3
> separate models of putters I created for the opening catalog.  The
> design tone is clean, solid, unpretentious but intended to stand toe to
> toe with ANY clubheads in the market, whether component or OEM.  And
> there will be a very good representation in there for the left handers
> too!
>
> In the area of shafts and grips, this is where we are pursuing a little
> different direction in our design and product development.  Our shaft
> and grip offerings are going to be 95% all of our own designs.  I really
> feel that the years I have put in doing research on shafts, including
> the book I did in 1991 called The Modern Guide to Shaft Fitting, and all
> of the following testing and analysis that was published in various
> magazines/newslett

Re: ShopTalk: Kidney transplant

[MPRUITT]

Sounds like you have a brand new lease on life , kinda like hittin one of
those little white pills 300 yards for the first time. God Bless .

Ray Pruitt
Rays Golf
- Original Message -
From: "Bernie Baymiller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Kidney transplant


> ST'ers all,
>
> Thanks for all for your thoughts, prayers and good wishes. This has been
> hard to believe, but I'll tell you about it for the sake of others who
might
> have the same problems. Kidney transplant technology is simply amazing to
me
> now. I'm home after receiving a kidney 4 days ago.
>
> My kidneys have been failing for the last two years...actually since 1983.
> Nobody could ever tell me why. I dragged it out pretty well by diet
control,
> but haven't had the strength to walk the course for about a year and a
half.
> When my creatinine went over 4, walking up hills was all over. Eventually,
I
> had to start dialysis, which cleans up your muscles overnight, but can't
> clean them up when you are exercising, so you tire very quickly. For the
> last five months or more I've been on peritoneal dialysis at home. It's a
> computer driven machine that sits beside your bed and fills you up with
> exchange fluid (a sugar solution), 4 cycles a night...like being tied to
an
> 8 foot plastic tube leash for 6 hours. Lost about 20 yards on my drives
and
> 10 on my irons, but could play and feel OK for about 15 holes riding a
cart.
> Best round suddenly became 77s-78s instead of 73-75s. Averaging 82 for the
> last month.
>
> A year and a half ago, when my creatinine went over 6, I went on the
Kidney
> Transplant list. My wife and brother tried to be a donor, but were
rejected
> because of marginal risk. I figured I had to wait about two years for a
> cadaver kidney...the average wait in our area of the country. About a
month
> ago, the transplant office at UT Hospital called me and asked me to
schedule
> a stress test to stay on the list...something required every year. So, I
> scheduled it for last Thursday at 8:45 AM. Instructions said to stop all
> food and drink before midnight the night before. Hooked up my dialysis
> machine at 9 PM as usual, watched some TV and drifted off to sleep. About
> 2:30 AM the phone rang and the transplant office told me to get right down
> there for a blood test...they might have a kidney for me. I turned off the
> cycler, went in and gave them the blood, went home and finished up my
> dialysis. Got up and went in for my stress test. About half way through
it,
> the Transplant nurse comes in and says go right to admitting...you have a
> kidney. Figure the odds of that...no food or drink before the one day I
have
> to have a surprise operation. So I was totally ready.
>
> I'm sitting in the pre-op room and the doc comes through and says it was a
> blue-light special night for kidneys...they got 3 that night from
> Nashville...I was number 600 for the hospital and 39th this year. He asked
> if I would like to meet my kidney, told me it was a 57 year-old man and
held
> up the cardboard box with the iced kidney and kept going. With three
> surgeries...about 3 hours apiece...the nurses were going crazy. I was
number
> two, but two trauma cases (mower accident next to me) held two of us up. I
> was supposed to be in surgery at 5 PM, but didn't get in until at least 8
> PM. Was out of the recovery room at 3 AM Friday morning. The doc says I
> really got a good kidney...80 good cells to one bad one...and
unexpectedly,
> even after being iced for 28 hours, it kicked right in. I had 4100 ml of
> urine production the first night and my legs felt great. Instructions are
to
> WALK, WALK, WALK!...just what I wanted to hear. I did. Midget steps the
> first day Friday, but about a mile around the corridors on the 12th floor
> with a fantastic view of UT, Knoxville and the Tennessee River. Saturday I
> did about two miles and today two miles at a good clip...under 30 minutes.
> (That slowed me down the rest of the day). When I went into surgery, my
> creatinine was 8.6. This morning, four days later, it was 1.5...a tenth
from
> normal! It's unbelievable how good my legs feel again...the deadness is
all
> gone, though they tire from lack of practice. Other good instructions are:
> no digging, no yard work, no lifting...just in time for leaf  and garden
> prep season. :-) I'm very immuno-suppressed for awhile, so can't shop or
go
> to grocery stores, either. My challenge will be to adjust medications in
the
> coming two months, the principal period of organ rejection.
>
> It's like coming from a slow death to a rebirth. You can't imagine the
> psychological lift I got. A senior friend even brought me a box of
Titleist
> Pro V-1s, compliments of my Friday group. Today, I got to eat chili and
> beans for the first time in almost 20 years. If I ever had any doubts
about
> the value of friends and family, they are gone completely.
>
> God bless you all an

Re: ShopTalk: Putter Shaft Trimming

[MPRUITT]

Pat ,
 I have been cold bluing some putters for a 
while now , and get decent results . Would you share some of your 
methods/material lists with me so that I can improve/ have you tried using black 
oxide tool coating for a flat black tour look? 
 
 I greatly appreciate good putters regardless 
of brand , but SC has great pieces. I recently aquired an old cobra cnc milled 
black / blued putter that has a newport 2 style look , had never seen one before 
, and a plop blade style , similar to a coronado , but has a separate hosel , 
inserted in to the top of the blade. both of these were decent pieces . bluing 
is good on the cobra but the plop actually looks like it has 2 chips in it like 
paint would get ,  you ever see that ? how would you repair? 
 
  Thanks in advance for your reply if you will 
share . This type of club repair and finishing is the part of the club repair 
business i really love , and the modern clubs just dont offer the same 
opportunity to show off these finishing talents like persimmon did. 

 
Ray 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Pat & 
  Laura Kelley 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 6:01 
  AM
  Subject: RE: ShopTalk: Putter Shaft 
  Trimming
  
  Harry,
  Not 
  sure what you measured on the Cameron shaft or head, but all of the 
  shaft-in-hosel models are .355 taper tip - I've reblued at least 100 
  Camerons for customers along with reshafts and modifying many of them for 
  length and swingweight.  The shaft they use may look cheap, but it's 
  unmatched in feel.  It's very similar to the late 60's Ping shaft with a 
  ~10" distance to the first step - these shafts are the most sought after in 
  the Ping collector arena.  
   
  You 
  are correct to trim from the butt only on these shafts, but I've yet to use a 
  Cameron that was cut down that played as well as it did uncut.  Cameron 
  makes one production model (Newport MilSpec) in several lengths where he uses 
  a heavier head for the shorter putters - ~340g for 34" and 350g for 33".  
  I've tried every way possible to swingweight these putters (including drilling 
  out the sole and putting lead plugs in), and none were good enough for my 
  personal use, as I use a 33" putter.  Currently, I play a 33", 350g 
  Cameron Newport Beach with a tour black (non-glare) finish that I obtained 
  from the tour van - IMO there is not a better 33" putter on the 
  planet.
   
  Pat 
  Kelley
  
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On 
Behalf Of Harry F. SchiestelSent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 
12:49 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: 
ShopTalk: Putter Shaft Trimming

Hi Ted, David, Arnie:
I build all my putters to Stiff – XStiff range, otherwise 
I’m afraid as Arnie pointed out you begin to run out of butt diameter at the 
throat of the putter grip.  This 
we found out the expensive way with a brand-new LH Scotty Cameron Newport II Pro Platinum, 
which we bought for eldest son as a high school graduation gift.  When we received the putter (as any 
good clubmaker would do) we took it apart in our attempt to make it 
better.  Here is the data 
collected from this 35 inch long model 
(although now its 34 inches long):
-  Shaft wt = 103.4 grams at 32.05 
inches long
-  Butt cpm 5 inch clamp (GS unit) = 
449 cpm
-   Tip 
diameter 0.355 inch parallel (that measurement for several inches)
-   
Distance to first step 10.5 inches
-   Grip 
weight = 71.0 grams
-   Head 
weight = 335.3 grams
-   Butt 
diameter = 0.580 inch
I remember we wanted to install DG-SC X100 but didn’t want to ream out hosel (see not below).  This expensive 
putter had the cheapest looking shaft I have ever seen.  I’ve seen far nicer commercial iron 
shafts at $2.45 each.  Since the 
distance to the first step was so long then the butt diameter needed 4 to 8 
wraps of build-up tape before the GP Pro Score Cord grip was ready to be 
installed, otherwise the throat of the putter grip would resemble a regular 
grip installed on a junior shaft.  
Titleist in their wisdom cut most of the length off the butt and the factory 
Cameron grip was installed over all the shaft steps.  Maybe the 
OEM cord grip had accounted for this since it is 71 grams in 
weight.
The junk OEM shaft was aligned NBP down target with 
homemade sensicore added.  
Prior to reusing the OEM 
shaft, I took a True Temper X100 Dynamic Gold Sensicore shaft (330 
cpm, 125.4 grams, 40 inches) and cut it to 32.05 inches with 5 inch tip trim 
(4 5/8 inch to first step) 
>>> it now has a weight of 100.6 grams, and 484 cpm with 5 
inch butt clamp.
Since I started making clubs, I have always cut 5 inches 
off S300 or X100 shafts and 7 inches off of TT R/S combo shafts.  At least I don’t run out of butt 
diameter to put the gri

Re: ShopTalk: Time out and a new way to match shafts

[MPRUITT]

Bernie ,
 Hang in there , I value the information you 
post greatly . My brother in law got a kidney 15 years ago and does great . 

 
Ray

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Bernie 
  Baymiller 
  To: Shoptalk 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 9:19 
PM
  Subject: ShopTalk: Time out and a new way 
  to match shafts
  
  
  ST'ers,
   
  Won't be playing any golf for a while...had my catheter implant 
  surgery for peritoneal dialysis last Friday...two sore holes in the abdomen 
  and a 4" tube hanging out. Can use it in two weeks and get my strength 
  back, I hope. Funny that the last two weeks before the surgery, when I 
  had almost no leg strength or endurance, I played some of my 
  best golf in a couple of years... a 69, 72 and 73 in six rounds 
  (with a couple of 80-somethings). 
   
  But...in the meantime, I have a bunch of clubs to make for friends, so 
  I'm certainly not bored. And...I have Dan's NF2 shaft matching machine to play 
  with. What a neat device! So simple to use once I saw how it works. Set beam 
  length, measure deflection per inch, figure target deflections, snap in a 
  shaft, mark NBP, slide shaft to target deflection, mark tip and cut...viola! A 
  perfectly matched set of shafts with your choice of alignment to boot. Did 
  some fairway wood shafts with it today. Well, maybe that's simplified a bit, 
  but no clamping and unclamping to find the exact frequency is needed. Just 
  slide the shaft in the bearings until it hits the required target deflection 
  on the dial. Much faster to use to match a shaft set than a 
  frequency analyzer. Have two sets of iron shafts to match as soon as they 
  arrive. Will report how they go. (There must be SOMETHING difficult about 
  using this thing.)
   
  BernieWriteto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]