Re: ShopTalk: Putter Shaft Trimming
Pat , I have been cold bluing some putters for a while now , and get decent results . Would you share some of your methods/material lists with me so that I can improve/ have you tried using black oxide tool coating for a flat black tour look? I greatly appreciate good putters regardless of brand , but SC has great pieces. I recently aquired an old cobra cnc milled black / blued putter that has a newport 2 style look , had never seen one before , and a plop blade style , similar to a coronado , but has a separate hosel , inserted in to the top of the blade. both of these were decent pieces . bluing is good on the cobra but the plop actually looks like it has 2 chips in it like paint would get , you ever see that ? how would you repair? Thanks in advance for your reply if you will share . This type of club repair and finishing is the part of the club repair business i really love , and the modern clubs just dont offer the same opportunity to show off these finishing talents like persimmon did. Ray - Original Message - From: Pat Laura Kelley To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 6:01 AM Subject: RE: ShopTalk: Putter Shaft Trimming Harry, Not sure what you measured on the Cameron shaft or head, butall of the shaft-in-hoselmodels are .355 taper tip - I've reblued at least 100 Camerons for customers along with reshafts and modifying many of them for length and swingweight. The shaft they use may look cheap, but it's unmatched in feel. It's very similar to the late 60's Ping shaft with a ~10" distance to the first step - these shafts are the most sought after in the Ping collector arena. You are correct to trim from the butt only on these shafts, but I've yet to use a Cameron that was cut down that played as well as it did uncut. Cameron makes one production model (Newport MilSpec) in several lengths where he uses a heavier head for the shorter putters - ~340g for 34" and 350g for 33". I've tried every way possible to swingweight these putters (including drilling out the sole and putting lead plugs in), and none were good enough for my personal use, as I use a 33" putter. Currently, I play a 33", 350g Cameron Newport Beach with a tour black (non-glare) finish that I obtained from the tour van - IMO there is not a better 33" putter on the planet. Pat Kelley -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Harry F. SchiestelSent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 12:49 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: ShopTalk: Putter Shaft Trimming Hi Ted, David, Arnie: I build all my putters to Stiff XStiff range, otherwise Im afraid as Arnie pointed out you begin to run out of butt diameter at the throat of the putter grip. This we found out the expensive way with a brand-newLH Scotty Cameron Newport II Pro Platinum, which we bought for eldest son as a high school graduation gift. When we received the putter (as any good clubmaker would do) we took it apart in our attempt to make it better. Here is the data collected from this 35 inch long model (although now its 34 inches long): - Shaft wt = 103.4 grams at 32.05 inches long - Butt cpm 5 inch clamp (GS unit) = 449 cpm - Tip diameter 0.355 inch parallel (that measurement for several inches) - Distance to first step 10.5 inches - Grip weight = 71.0 grams - Head weight = 335.3 grams - Butt diameter = 0.580 inch I remember we wanted to install DG-SCX100 but didnt want to ream out hosel (see not below). This expensive putter had the cheapest looking shaft I have ever seen. Ive seen far nicer commercial iron shafts at $2.45 each. Since the distance to the first step was so long then the butt diameter needed 4 to 8 wraps of build-up tape before the GP Pro Score Cord grip was ready to be installed, otherwise the throat of the putter grip would resemble a regular grip installed on a junior shaft. Titleist in their wisdom cut most of the length off the butt and the factory Cameron grip was installed over all the shaft steps. Maybe the OEMcord grip had accounted for this since it is 71 grams in weight. The junk OEM shaft was aligned NBP down target with homemade sensicore added. Prior to reusing the OEM shaft, I took a True Temper X100 Dynamic Gold Sensicore shaft (330 cpm, 125.4 grams, 40 inches) and cut it to 32.05 inches with 5 inch tip trim (4 5/8inch to first step) it now has a weight of 100.6 grams, and 484 cpm with 5 inchbutt clamp. Since I started making clubs, I have always cut 5 inches off S300 or X100 shafts and 7 inches offof TT R/S combo shafts. At least I dont run out of butt diameter to put the grip on without a t
RE: ShopTalk: Putter Shaft Trimming
Hi Ted, David, Arnie: I build all my putters to Stiff XStiff range, otherwise Im afraid as Arnie pointed out you begin to run out of butt diameter at the throat of the putter grip. This we found out the expensive way with a brand-newLH Scotty Cameron Newport II Pro Platinum, which we bought for eldest son as a high school graduation gift. When we received the putter (as any good clubmaker would do) we took it apart in our attempt to make it better. Here is the data collected from this 35 inch long model (although now its 34 inches long): - Shaft wt = 103.4 grams at 32.05 inches long - Butt cpm 5 inch clamp (GS unit) = 449 cpm - Tip diameter 0.355 inch parallel (that measurement for several inches) - Distance to first step 10.5 inches - Grip weight = 71.0 grams - Head weight = 335.3 grams - Butt diameter = 0.580 inch I remember we wanted to install DG-SCX100 but didnt want to ream out hosel (see not below). This expensive putter had the cheapest looking shaft I have ever seen. Ive seen far nicer commercial iron shafts at $2.45 each. Since the distance to the first step was so long then the butt diameter needed 4 to 8 wraps of build-up tape before the GP Pro Score Cord grip was ready to be installed, otherwise the throat of the putter grip would resemble a regular grip installed on a junior shaft. Titleist in their wisdom cut most of the length off the butt and the factory Cameron grip was installed over all the shaft steps. Maybe the OEMcord grip had accounted for this since it is 71 grams in weight. The junk OEM shaft was aligned NBP down target with homemade sensicore added. Prior to reusing the OEM shaft, I took a True Temper X100 Dynamic Gold Sensicore shaft (330 cpm, 125.4 grams, 40 inches) and cut it to 32.05 inches with 5 inch tip trim (4 5/8inch to first step) it now has a weight of 100.6 grams, and 484 cpm with 5 inchbutt clamp. Since I started making clubs, I have always cut 5 inches off S300 or X100 shafts and 7 inches offof TT R/S combo shafts. At least I dont run out of butt diameter to put the grip on without a ton of masking tape, and nobody has complained about the feel being overly stiff. I didn't know this at the time but the Cameron putter had a non-standard tip diameter. Would of been nicer to throw out the junk shaft and rebuild with a better shaft. After this whole exercise, he still loves his Harvey Penick Riverside (Newport style) now discontinued. His old putter still favours his putting stroke. So much for progress. He will probably sell the left hand Newport II Pro Platinum on e-bay. His email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] He also tried out 4 new drivers and he loves the KZG RBT/325 (8*) that will stay in his bag for a long time. Slightly longer and extremely accurate. It's mated toa Alpha Platinum X graphite shaft, D5 at 45 inches,lasered for FLO, with Lamkin Xline Classic Sof-Cord grip. Thanks HarryS -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: July 2, 2002 1:55 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Putter Shaft Trimming In a message dated 7/1/2002 8:58:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is such a basic question I'm almost afraid to ask it ... are there anyprotocols for tip trimming a steel putter shaft as a function of length?I've been buying the inexpensive steel shafts and installing them withoutthinking much about it until I made up an extra long putter (37") for a realtall fellow. The finished putter seemed much more flexible than any of the34 or 35 inch putters that I have put together. I've been conscious ofgetting swingweight into right ranges, but have not even thought about shafttip trimming, at least until now. If any of you have trimming guides, I'd really appreciate the info. Betteryet would be examples of how much to trim for various stiffness shafts.Thanks in advance, Ted WayHi Ted, Interesting question, I have always built putters by butt cutting only with whatever shafts are around unless I need a bent one of course.I have been told that over 90% of PGA pros have putters that swing weight to d-3, I wonder what they freq. to on average, I suspect all over the place.Just out of curiosity I "ll check a few, assuming I can clamp them.The graphite driver shafts that have done well over the last several year "s have something in common, the hm-series, pro-lights, and pf gold's are all about 3.5 torque when measured at about a 40" beam length, its possible that the best selling putters such as Answers, Odyseys's, Cameron's etc. may share common frequency's, maybe someone out there knows.David
Re: ShopTalk: Putter Shaft Trimming
In a message dated 7/1/2002 8:58:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is such a basic question I'm almost afraid to ask it ... are there any protocols for tip trimming a steel putter shaft as a function of length? I've been buying the inexpensive steel shafts and installing them without thinking much about it until I made up an extra long putter (37") for a real tall fellow. The finished putter seemed much more flexible than any of the 34 or 35 inch putters that I have put together. I've been conscious of getting swingweight into right ranges, but have not even thought about shaft tip trimming, at least until now. If any of you have trimming guides, I'd really appreciate the info. Better yet would be examples of how much to trim for various stiffness shafts. Thanks in advance, Ted Way Hi Ted, Interesting question, I have always built putters by butt cutting only with whatever shafts are around unless I need a bent one of course. I have been told that over 90% of PGA pros have putters that swing weight to d-3, I wonder what they freq. to on average, I suspect all over the place. Just out of curiosity I "ll check a few, assuming I can clamp them. The graphite driver shafts that have done well over the last several year "s have something in common, the hm-series, pro-lights, and pf gold's are all about 3.5 torque when measured at about a 40" beam length, its possible that the best selling putters such as Answers, Odyseys's, Cameron's etc. may share common frequency's, maybe someone out there knows. David
